Society Of Professional Journalists Says Stop Using The Term “Illegal Immigrant”

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by Jon Bershad | 5:56 pm, December 28th, 2010

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In 2010, the Diversity Committee of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) began a quest to get American journalists to stop using the terms “illegal aliens” or “illegal immigrants” and instead use “undocumented immigrant.” This ruffled some feathers with Tucker Carlson who headed over to Fox News to debate the issue over grounds of free speech and journalistic integrity. Mostly though, he just wanted to know who the heck the SPJ was.

“Let me just say, I’ve been a journalist my whole life, my dad was a journalist. I’ve never met anybody who belonged to the Society of Professional Journalists, whatever that is. So let’s just make it clear to viewers who may not have perspective on this, they are not a major force within the world of journalism.”

Carlson’s being slightly disingenuous here. In fact, over at Carlson’s website, The Daily Caller, Matthew Boyle pointed out that “many journalists nationwide follow” the SPJ’s code of ethics so, at the very least, some of his employees have certainly heard of the organization. Still, once he made sure to explain why Fox News’ viewers shouldn’t listen to a word the SPJ has to say, his actual arguments against the appeal were a lot stronger.

“Is the status legal or illegal? If it can be proved that they are here illegally, then it is within bounds to describe them that way. And it is politically loaded, again by definition, to insist that reporters not call them that.”

Of course, that’s where the SPJ would probably use his own argument against him. It can’t be proven that they’re here illegally. At least, not by a reporter.

From Quill, the official magazine of the SPJ:

One of the most basic of our constitutional rights is that everyone (including non-citizens) is innocent of any crime until proven guilty in a court of law. That’s guaranteed under the Fifth, Sixth and 14th Amendments of the Constitution, as I learned during four-year post-doctoral studies in appellate law at the California Court of Appeal in San Diego.

…

Simply put, only a judge, not a journalist, can say that someone is an illegal.

While the earlier argument in that quoted piece about the terms being offensive to Latinos is rather silly (can no one from, say, France ever come here illegally?), this argument actually holds some ground. It is interesting that in the Fox News segment, neither Carlson nor Brian Sullivan mention this part of the debate, sticking only to the more easily debunked political correctness angle. They also imply that the Committee was asking for “undocumented worker” to be the term rather than “undocumented immigrant.”

Whatever the case, everyone involved will point out that, at this point, the Associated Press still identifies “illegal immigrant” as the proper term.

Watch the clip from Fox News below:

Brian Sullivan, illegal immigrants, Matthew Boyle, Quill, Society of Professional Journalists, The Daily Caller, Tucker Carlson

skyfet

A lot of the grand Parents of these jokers are also illegal. See that’s why people need to know their own history. They all came down here illegally in the late 18th, 19th and early to mid 20th century. Now it’s the Latinos that are being harassed, just like the grandfathers of these jokers were also harassed.
And please don’t give me the same old tired crap that “my folks came here legally”, please cut the crap. Unless they came down after the second world war. The ones I mentioned above, a lot were illegal. Capiche? ahh
Big Eddie

skyfet said:
The ones I mentioned above, a lot were illegal. Capiche? ahh

Let’s see your papers .
Big Eddie

What happens to an American who sneaks into Mexico ?
They go to jail .
Can Americans go to Mexican schools , use Mexican hospitals after sneaking in ?

There’s no other country in the world that has open borders .

Finish the fence . Patrol it . Then deal with who’s here . Otherwise the flow will never stop ,only increase .
http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

More stupidity from the Politically Correct Gestapo. Illegal is illegal. Calling it anything else does not make it any more legal.

How about we start calling journalists, “Propaganda Disseminators.” It is way more accurate than journalist.

I have no idea how my relatives got here – legal or not, so I am not one to say anything about that. Anyone that does claim ancestral legality is either a liar or an American Indian.
http://TheDividedStatesBlog.com Publius219

Big Eddie said:
What happens to an American who sneaks into Mexico ?
They go to jail .
Can Americans go to Mexican schools , use Mexican hospitals after sneaking in ?

There’s no other country in the world that has open borders .

Finish the fence . Patrol it . Then deal with who’s here . Otherwise the flow will never stop ,only increase .

Agree with the last part. Disagree w/the rest. Since when do we measure what the U.S. does against what Mexico does?
CAconservative

Skyfet:

What are you trying to say, or condone? The United States is a sovereign country…fact! As a sovereign country we are allowed to set conditions, and numbers of immigrants allowed in as we see fit…also a fact! Anyone within the borders of the United States that isn’t here legally is considered an illegal alien and as such should be rounded up and deported. The only thing crappy here is people like you who try to find any justification they can to condone this CRAP!!
How can I say that with a modicum of justification, Mr.Skyfet, I can because I’m a NATIVE AMERICAN! It seems, even if I wasn’t I’d still be far more American than you!! When you start defending illegal alien parasite trespassers over your own American citizens, then it’s safe to say you are what your talking about…Capiche!!
Nacho

Yes, another “fair and balanced” discussion on Fox News of a very important story to get angry scared old white people’s blood pressure up.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek

Publius219 said:
Agree with the last part. Disagree w/the rest. Since when do we measure what the U.S. does against what Mexico does?

Since this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CMDM8e_jtQ
ChrisNH

Lib journo-Lists: “Don’t use language that makes what we believe and want look bad.”
Tucker P.

Bastard Child , is now a single parent home . Poor ,is economically challenged . Hell , who knows what black folks will be next year .
Judge Mental

Let me see if I’ve got this right.

Leftist spin is good and must not be criticized.

Rightist spin is bad and should be severely punished. To wit:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/report-how-fox-news-managing-editor-bill-sammon-spun-the-health-care-debate/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/another-leaked-fox-news-memo-this-time-questioning-global-warming/
writer

Bank robbery will now be referred to as ‘unauthorized withdrawl’.
RichS

skyfet said:
A lot of the grand Parents of these jokers are also illegal. See that’s why people need to know their own history. They all came down here illegally in the late 18th, 19th and early to mid 20th century. Now it’s the Latinos that are being harassed, just like the grandfathers of these jokers were also harassed.And please don’t give me the same old tired crap that “my folks came here legally”, please cut the crap. Unless they came down after the second world war. The ones I mentioned above, a lot were illegal. Capiche? ahh

Is this another fact you pulled out of your ass? I guess you never heard of Ellis Island?
Sean68

Nacho said:
Yes, another “fair and balanced” discussion on Fox News of a very important story to get angry scared old white people’s blood pressure up.

Actually, if anyone’s blood pressure should be up, it shouldn’t be “old white people” (a phrase you like an epithet), it should be young black people–afterall, it is they who will be forced to attend the declining schools and compete for the low wages a steady flow of illegals ensures.
RichS

writer said:
Bank robbery will now be referred to as ‘unauthorized withdrawl’.

No an ‘undocumented withdrawal’ and cameras in banks have to be turned off unless the undocumented withdrawer agrees to be photographed.
writer

As long as the withdrawl slips are bi-lingual.
dummy123

Any debate/discussion about illegal immigration should always begin with making the loony liberal admit they want an open southern border….MAKE them say it!
That is the line of demarcation between a democrat and the far left loons!
Davo

I don’t get it. It must be the word “immigrant” that chokes the liberal libido……………….’cause “illegal” is simply an objective adjective.
Sean68

dummy123 said:
Any debate/discussion about illegal immigration should always begin with making the loony liberal admit they want an open southern border….MAKE them say it!That is the line of demarcation between a democrat and the far left loons!

Chris Matthews, believe it or not, said tonight on his crappy show that he didn’t think that Democrats truly wanted the flow of illegals to stop. And neither of his liberal, Obama-sucking guests disagreed. Talk about arrogance. It’s treason.
http://www.libertarianism.com/ Jack Burns

Nacho said:
Yes, another “fair and balanced” discussion on Fox News of a very important story to get angry scared old white people’s blood pressure up.

Its you kids whose blood pressure is up! When I was young there were plenty of good jobs to take so you could pay for Collage. Now The Mexicans and Illegals have taken all these type of jobs leaving Collage kids with no way to help them pay their way to school. LOL I got mine a long time ago, and could really care less. Hell make em all legal as far as I’m concerned. Make sure they pay FICA so my social security checks keep coming in! LOL
James Nelson

Big Eddie said:
Let’s see your papers .

You extremists have no interest in rational discourse. You have no interest in carrying on a dialogue. When publius asked for some discussion about whether or not they would grant the President any positive things, he was met with derision. You right wing extremists are only about hate, insults, and bigotry. Like McConnell (who decided he must curry favor with them), your only agenda is defeating the current President. The furthering of American ideals means nothing to you. Anti-gay, anti-most religions outside of Christian fundamentalism, anti-intellectual, anti-compromise, anti-American. You are lonely people who are on this system to hate, deride, and accomplish nothing. Just4fax, Seeing2012frommyWindow, TeaPartyPatriot, notsofast, timzank, and a bunch I am sure I have missed, (as well as Gordon, who is a special case): they are all as bad as The Real Royal King. You do not want dialogue. you are happiest when there is calamity and tragedy. You really want America to fail!
Davo

James Nelson said:
You extremists have no interest in rational discourse. You have no interest in carrying on a dialogue. When publius asked for some discussion about whether or not they would grant the President any positive things, he was met with derision. You right wing extremists are only about hate, insults, and bigotry.

There, there, Nelson……….don’t cry. Yellow must make you sad. But your own post is void of substance, and instead is wrought with condemnation and condescension. How is that not “hate, insults, and bigotry?” Crybaby.
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tanarg

skyfet,

You’ve heard of Ellis Island, right? Those waves of immigrants were all legal. You’re mistaken.
Big Eddie

James Nelson said:
all as bad as The Real Royal King

Hey , no need to go overboard !
TinaFromTampa

I’m not surprised that Tucker has never heard of SDX/SPJ.
Anyone at FNC know anything at all about ethics?
Cecelia

It’s interesting that Bill Sammons of FNC dictate that “govt option” is a more accurate term than “public option” when it comes to govt policy on health care, yet he’s describing as “spinning” the issue.

Yet, here is the “Diversity Committee” of the Society of Professional Journalists suggesting a term with the sole purpose of softening (rather than clarifying) the obvious status of illegal immigrants.
Pablo

One of the most basic of our constitutional rights is that everyone (including non-citizens) is innocent of any crime until proven guilty in a court of law. That’s guaranteed under the Fifth, Sixth and 14th Amendments of the Constitution, as I learned during four-year post-doctoral studies in appellate law at the California Court of Appeal in San Diego.

All that time in court and he never figured out that “innocent until proven guilty” only applies in court. In the eyes of the law, OJ didn’t kill Ron and Nicole. But guess what? OJ killed Ron and Nicole. He is guilty, regardless of what the court says he is.
Gasket

Pablo OJ killed Ron and Nicole. He is guilty, regardless of what the court says he is.

Really, how do you know? Were you there? Guilt is an abstract measure that can only be identified and measured by a court of law in this country. Don’t be a dumbass. Everyone is innocent until a court (jury or judge) says otherwise. You know…it’s in that thing called the constitution. We are not in the middle ages or back in Salem.
Judge Mental

Gasket said:
Really, how do you know? Were you there? Guilt is an abstract measure that can only be identified and measured by a court of law in this country. Don’t be a dumbass. Everyone is innocent until a court (jury or judge) says otherwise. You know…it’s in that thing called the constitution. We are not in the middle ages or back in Salem.

He was found guilty of wrongful death. That’s good enough for me.
timzank

Judge Mental said:
He was found guilty of wrongful death. That’s good enough for me.

Yep, their throats fell on his knife.
fanofamerica

ChrisNH said:
Lib journo-Lists: “Don’t use language that makes what we believe and want look bad.”

So true. My favorite is the reaction when you point out to someone who is for abortion on demand that they are pro-abortion. Heads explode.
Pablo

Really, how do you know? Were you there?

Blood does not lie. He was there, his blood was there and some of Nicole’s blood came home with him. He did it.

Gasket said:
Guilt is an abstract measure that can only be identified and measured by a court of law in this country.

No, guilt is when you did the crime. Guilt in a court of law is when you’re subject to punishment by the government. They are two different things. One is a matter of fact, the other is a matter of law.
Pablo

Judge Mental said:
He was found guilty of wrongful death. That’s good enough for me.

Ah! Good point. The law found him guilty and not guilty. They can’t both be right. There’s really only one factual measure of the question: Did he do it?

He did it. He’s guilty.
Pablo

Gasket said:
Everyone is innocent until a court (jury or judge) says otherwise.

So, Ted Bundy was innocent of all crimes until the jury came back with a guilty verdict? Sorry, no. He was not subject to criminal penalty until then (That’s Due Process, kids!) but he was guilty as soon as he did it, not when the jury said he did it.
timzank

The glaring reality here is the inability of liberals to simply tell the truth.

il·le·gal /ɪˈligəl/ Show Spelled
[ih-lee-guhl] Show IPA

–adjective
1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc

a·li·en (l-n, lyn)
adj.
1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign

Illegal aliens. Period.
Judge Mental

Pablo said:
Ah! Good point. The law found him guilty and not guilty. They can’t both be right. There’s really only one factual measure of the question: Did he do it?

He did it. He’s guilty.

I shouldn’t have said guilty. He was found liable for their deaths in a civil trial. So, it was proved by a preponderance of the evidence rather than the more rigorous beyond a reasonable doubt standard. In other words, yeah, he did it.
Pablo

Judge Mental said:
I shouldn’t have said guilty. He was found liable for their deaths in a civil trial. So, it was proved by a preponderance of the evidence rather than the more rigorous beyond a reasonable doubt standard. In other words, yeah, he did it.

Yeah, and he was guilty as soon as he swung the knife.
fanofamerica

writer said:
Bank robbery will now be referred to as ‘unauthorized withdrawl’.

Writer, there are a number of witty commenters on Mediaite, but you’ve got my vote for the most consistently clever posts in 2010.
timzank

fanofamerica said:
Writer, there are a number of witty commenters on Mediaite, but you’ve got my vote for the most consistently clever posts in 2010.

I’d 2nd that!
Judge Mental

Pablo said:
Yeah, and he was guilty as soon as he swung the knife.

That, too.
Patrick Henry

Big Eddie said:
Finish the fence . Patrol it . Then deal with who’s here . Otherwise the flow will never stop ,only increase .

Nailed it, Ed!
Patrick Henry

writer said:
Bank robbery will now be referred to as ‘unauthorized withdrawl’.

Nice, writer!
Patrick Henry

James Nelson said:
Just4fax, Seeing2012frommyWindow, TeaPartyPatriot, notsofast, timzank,

Nelson, you and your ilk are the extremists. The people you mentioned are true patriots.
Just4thefax

Dronetek said:
Since this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CMDM8e_jtQ

Fact: Just another in a list of embarrassments during the Ozero years in office and the bad thing is he in only half way thru until he gets booted out on his ass in 2012! Lets all prey that he is done with the bows and blunders!
Just4thefax

James Nelson said:
You are lonely

Fact: Count now is 11 down thumbs and 1 up. You have given us all wisdom! Thanks for pointing out the difference beween majority view verses the extreme!
Patrick Henry

fanofamerica said:
Writer, there are a number of witty commenters on Mediaite, but you’ve got my vote for the most consistently clever posts in 2010.

I would agree with that assessment. Writer is both humorous and intellectual, a very good combination.
James Nelson

Davo said:
There, there, Nelson……….don’t cry. Yellow must make you sad. But your own post is void of substance, and instead is wrought with condemnation and condescension. How is that not “hate, insults, and bigotry?” Crybaby.

Go back to your gay bashing, and other forms of intolerance, idiot. As for condescension, yeah, you’re right. I can’t think of any other way to correspond with you. Right wing extremists are selfish, anti-intellectual fools. When Sarah Palin is your idea of intelligence, all hope is lost.
James Nelson

Patrick Henry said:
Nelson, you and your ilk are the extremists. The people you mentioned are true patriots.

True patriots who sat on their asses while others defended their rights to be selfish.

Tommy, this site has become a haven of right wing bigotry, intolerance and loutish behavior. I’m gone.
Just4thefax

James Nelson said:
intolerance, idiot

Fact: You are the classy poster child of the year! That was me putting in the one thumbs up just to push you into making more of your fine comments that you post. Again thumbs up it all the way up it!
greg454

“Undocumented Workers” have documents. Illegal aliens have passports, driver’s licenses, the matricula consular (Mexican ID), tax ID numbers (you don’t have to be legal to get those), library cards, birth certificates, baptism certificates, etc, etc, etc. In fact, an illegal alien is anyone who enters the country illegally or comes under a tourists visa and stays beyond the limit, in which case he or she is no longer legally in the country, thus illegal aliens. So why the hell is that so hard for journalists to understand?
timzank

James Nelson said:
True patriots who sat on their asses while others defended their rights to be selfish. Tommy, this site has become a haven of right wing bigotry, intolerance and loutish behavior. I’m gone.

Rut-row, what will mediate do about the gaping hole in commentary your departure will create? Oh the humanity.

Jesus pal, get over yourself.
Sean68

writer said:
Bank robbery will now be referred to as ‘unauthorized withdrawl’.

Radical lefties like Obama’s pal Bill Ayers used to call bank robberies “appropriations.”
Gasket

Judge Mental said:
He was found guilty of wrongful death. That’s good enough for me.

Civil judgment, not criminal but nice try.

Pablo said:
So, Ted Bundy was innocent of all crimes until the jury came back with a guilty verdict? Sorry, no. He was not subject to criminal penalty until then (That’s Due Process, kids!) but he was guilty as soon as he did it, not when the jury said he did it.

Yes, that’s how the criminal justice (legal) system works in this country. The courts are the arbiters of guilt and innocence. If you are religious, the rest is determined by your respective deity. The rest of your ramblings are your opinions and are not based on any factual legal merits.
Judge Mental

Gasket said:
Civil judgment, not criminal but nice try.

Yes, that’s how the criminal justice (legal) system works in this country. The courts are the arbiters of guilt and innocence. If you are religious, the rest is determined by your respective deity. The rest of your ramblings are your opinions and are not based on any factual legal merits.

So, between the time when someone commits a crime and when he’s convicted in court, he’s innocent? Is there another, more proper term than guilty to describe someone who’s committed a crime but hasn’t yet been convicted?

And are you seriously arguing that O.J. is innocent, even though in a civil trial he was found liable for the deaths of Ron and Nicole?
Nacho

Judge Mental said:
Let me see if I’ve got this right.

Leftist spin is good and must not be criticized.

Rightist spin is bad and should be severely punished. To wit:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/report-how-fox-news-managing-editor-bill-sammon-spun-the-health-care-debate/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/another-leaked-fox-news-memo-this-time-questioning-global-warming/

Who’s saying this “leftist spin” is good and should not be criticized? Fox couldn’t even find some desperate sucker to come on and stand up for it.

At least you recognized that Fox News pushes a rightist spin.
Alz

writer said:
Bank robbery will now be referred to as ‘unauthorized withdrawl’.

That’s funny, but it’s true. Liberals have no problem deceiving people with imprecise language. They claim they are the ones with reason and that they only use science, but science is about using precise language.

Illegal alien seems to be the correct term.
Alz

Keeva said:
How about we start calling journalists, “Propaganda Disseminators.” It is way more accurate than journalist.

Exactly. I don’t know when the mainstream media had journalists!
Alz

greg454 said:
“Undocumented Workers” have documents. Illegal aliens have passports, driver’s licenses, the matricula consular (Mexican ID), tax ID numbers (you don’t have to be legal to get those), library cards, birth certificates, baptism certificates, etc, etc, etc. In fact, an illegal alien is anyone who enters the country illegally or comes under a tourists visa and stays beyond the limit, in which case he or she is no longer legally in the country, thus illegal aliens. So why the hell is that so hard for journalists to understand?

…because we are dealing with Modern Liberals/Progressives. Their entire belief system is based on forcing everything to be “equal” so borders don’t work for them. (Normal people measure success as when things are better.) A border delineates something and it requires a judgement call to determine who can cross the border.

When someone judges, they are saying one things is better than something else so this flies in the face of their belief system.

These leftists do not respond to logic unless it is somehow force fed where they aren’t allowed to keep sputtering their gibberish. We conservatives think that once we introduce a point that that the other side will at some point figure out what we are saying. But these Modern Liberals/Progressives cannot accept any point that is in opposition to their core belief system.

This is why it is very important for more people to understand their core belief system. It gets much easier to undermine it.

Everyone should watch and absorb Evan Sayet’s “How Modern Liberals Think” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c. It’s VERY good. Find some quiet, uninterrupted time.
Pablo

Gasket said:
Yes, that’s how the criminal justice (legal) system works in this country. The courts are the arbiters of guilt and innocence.

To the extent that you can be punished for them. But what the courts cannot do is determine with a certainty that one is innocent, only to a legal standard. Our standard, quite rightly, is skewed to prevent the punishment of the innocent. That means guilty people can be found not guilty in court. That doesn’t mean they didn’t do it.

The Constitution doesn’t presume to tell people what they can say or think, it only describes and limits the powers of the government. Me, not being the court, nor in a position to punish OJ, I can tell you with great confidence that he did it, which makes him guilty despite his having been acquired of criminal charges.

Do you really believe that guilty people never walk? Do you really believe that OJ didn’t kill those people? Really?
Seeing 2012 From My Window

James says:

Tommy, this site has become a haven of right wing bigotry, intolerance and loutish behavior. I’m gone.

Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!
SmartAlec

James Nelson said:
Tommy, this site has become a haven of right wing bigotry, intolerance and loutish behavior. I’m gone.

What was it that drove you over the edge? We want to use it on The Real Royal Racist, armwood, Paul Westlake, and SarahP.
skyfet

RichS said:
Is this another fact you pulled out of your ass? I guess you never heard of Ellis Island?

tanarg said:
skyfet,

You’ve heard of Ellis Island, right? Those waves of immigrants were all legal. You’re mistaken.

You guys must be joking. Ahhh, Ellis Island was mostly used to get rid of the Fascists who were associated with the Nazis, the Italians and the Japanese (all ww2 enemies). You have no case, I was right in my original estimate. There’s nothing you can do about it, I know it hurts knowing you also came from illegal background, just like these folks here now. But that’s life, those who were here before always pick on the newcomers. The English and Scots did it to the Irish and the Germans, they did it to the Polish and the Italians on and on and on and on. Heck I remember when the Italians were not regarded as white enough.
See, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” (George Santayana).
skyfet

CAconservative said:
Skyfet:

What are you trying to say, or condone? The United States is a sovereign country…fact! As a sovereign country we are allowed to set conditions, and numbers of immigrants allowed in as we see fit…also a fact! Anyone within the borders of the United States that isn’t here legally is considered an illegal alien and as such should be rounded up and deported. The only thing crappy here is people like you who try to find any justification they can to condone this CRAP!!
How can I say that with a modicum of justification, Mr.Skyfet, I can because I’m a NATIVE AMERICAN! It seems, even if I wasn’t I’d still be far more American than you!! When you start defending illegal alien parasite trespassers over your own American citizens, then it’s safe to say you are what your talking about…Capiche!!

Unn interesting you described them as parasites. The Military don’t see them as parasites, the businesses making profits from their cheap labour do not see them as parasites, I bet in your “Italian” or local restaurant the cooks inside are not described as parasites. The astonishing thing here is that you find it comfortable to describe fellow human being as parasites.
Since you describe yourself as Native American, I bet you’ll be pleased when the early settlers cleared the land of parasites (Native Americans) on the land. Just leave a few around as historical reference (People like you). How does it feel to be described as a parasite? I bet it feels lovely.
Big Eddie

skyfet said:
See, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” (George Santayana

” You’ve got to change your evil ways ” Carlos Santana
jimkress

How about “Criminal Invaders” instead? We could also rename these “journalists” the “Society of Criminal Facilitators”
http://Mediaite.com uggugg

Whoever is heading up the Professional Journalist need to recommend honesty ethics instead of tricks of the trade ethics to satisfy one special interest group or another, honesty is the most misunderstood word in the dictionary. Just because someone doesn’t confront you when you tell a lie, doesn’t mean they believe you. Journalist who tells the truth consistently will eventually establish a brand. That is worth its weight in gold.
Alz

uggugg said:
Whoever is heading up the Professional Journalist need to recommend honesty ethics instead of tricks of the trade ethics to satisfy one special interest group or another, honesty is the most misunderstood word in the dictionary. Just because someone doesn’t confront you when you tell a lie, doesn’t mean they believe you. Journalist who tells the truth consistently will eventually establish a brand. That is worth its weight in gold.

Exactly and you can see why the liberal brands keep losing out.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Arthur-Clough/1419363514 Arthur Clough

SPJ, this must be a put on by Mediate. Perhaps a SNL skit. If there really is such a group, who is part of it when did it start existing? When was the last time one saw a professional journalist?
njoy-d-ride

My first thoughts are that the Society of Professional Journalists sees itself as Big Brother in charge of Political Correctness.
CAconservative

Skyfet:

Interesting analogy…crap, but interesting. Aren’t you a bit concerned about a Military that would allow illegal aliens to serve? Just how desperate are we for recruits to have to resort to the use of foreign substitutes who’s backgrounds may be suspect?
The businesses using cheap illegal alien trespassing parasites don’t see them as trespassing parasites? Interesting that use left out the term “trespassing”. Lets put them together so you fully understand what they mean without your adding your Liberal nonsense to it.
Trespassing is entering another persons property without permission…a parasites benefits at the expense of the host. Now put them together Mr.Skyfet and what you have is a person who has entered this country, without permission (illegal alien trespasser) and is benefiting at the expense of the host by taking jobs, welfare, social services, education, health care, and etc! Namely, they are benefiting off of us!
About the only statement that you make that is remotely applicable is the remarks about Native Americans and the way they were cheated out of what was rightfully theirs. But then we’re not talking about the injustice done to the natural inhabitants of this country, are we? No, what we are talking about is the trampling of our sovereignty, sanctity of citizenship, and our laws. There is no moral, or legal argument you can make that justifies the illegal alien trespassing parasites, and the shafting of our legal citizens and their children for your bleeding-heart corruption of just who the real victims of this nonsense are!!
njoy-d-ride

James Nelson said:
You right wing extremists are only about hate, insults, and bigotry.

James, I have found that you can take the word “right” out of that. Extremists in general are poor at dialogue. And there are as many left wing extermists as right wing extremists. I will say one thing for the extremists at this site, they at least listen, well, read. That is step one.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Leah-Ma/1391341060 Leah Ma

Hold On! Not all Liberals are for illegal aliens! My entire family is liberal; in fact my brother ran for congressman this last time. Lost, of course, since he had no real party backing. We have always been vehemently opposed to the illegal alien trafficking. Ignore the name, I’m not Chinese so obviously neither was my brother. Anyway I’d like to stop ALL immigration for awhile–until all Americans are employed. Bill Gates and his ilk are getting too many legally in on green cards and paying them lower salaries for doing jobs that we DO have people here who are capable of doing. They usually have to train their foreign replacement. So please don’t believe that all libs are for illegals. That’s a snow job designed to divide and conquer us little guys. What we need is a third party that will REALLY represent the American people and what we need. We’re sure not getting it now. The dems are too namby-pamby and the repugs are owned by the corporations. Wake up, America!!!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Leah-Ma/1391341060 Leah Ma

@njoy-d-ride and James Nelson
The right wingers are one of 2 things (1) hate filled idiots or (2) religious idiots who never open a book and don’t know how to use simple words correctly. One wrote to me of people needing to ‘acquire’ jobs. Huh? Their level of education is so low they need to be forcibly educated and how do you do that?

The left wingers are generally much smarter but all we do is read, write, talk, dream and sit around. Not much else. Most of us are VERY nice people, the kind you’d want for neighbors or to babysit your kids. We tend to be school teachers or writers. We just don’t DO much.
felixw

Let’s change the names for all of our crimes. The term “murder” is a bit harsh, no? Wouldn’t it be more polite to call it an “unapproved termination of pulmonary activity”? “Kidnapping” is an ugly phrase too. How about “undocumented child relocation”? Armed robbery can turn into a “highly incentivized spontaneous money transfer” (e.g., give me your cash and you can keep your life), and rape can become a “non-consensual transfer of body fluids.” Dang, these journalists are on to something.
http://none pyrope

“Society Of Professional Journalists Says Stop Using The Term “Illegal Immigrant””

OK, then how about “Dirty Rotten Slime Ball Welfare Sucking Criminal Alien?”

ROUND ‘EM UP & SEND ‘EM BACK. PUT THOSE WHO KNOWINGLY HIRE CRIMINAL ALIENS IN JAIL–MINIMUM SENTENCE 5 YEARS!
http://none pyrope

& it’s long past the time for the politically correct psychobabble to GO.
stephenpyle

I don’t care that much about the terminology but it is ridiculous if Tucker Carlson has really never heard of SPJ. Anyone who majors in journalism at a university has heard of SPJ because most of the students have to read up on their rules (like this one) and abide by them for their grades. It’s a pretty well known and highly respected organization in the journalism world and Carlson sounds ignorant for slamming them.
Alz

stephenpyle said:
I don’t care that much about the terminology but it is ridiculous if Tucker Carlson has really never heard of SPJ. Anyone who majors in journalism at a university has heard of SPJ because most of the students have to read up on their rules (like this one) and abide by them for their grades. It’s a pretty well known and highly respected organization in the journalism world and Carlson sounds ignorant for slamming them.

And people wonder why people don’t believe “journalsists.” Using their term introduces LESS precision and people know it.
http://none pyrope

Leah Ma said:
Bill Gates and his ilk are getting too many legally in on green cards and paying them lower salaries for doing jobs that we DO have people here who are capable of doing.

Interesting perspective, but could you consider that Mr. Gates is not so much worried about salaries than quality of work produced?
Lee Ellak

The legal term is illegal alien.

The Society Of Professional Journalists should change their name, in my opinion, to the Society Of Professional “Crybaby” Journalists.

For the bloggers and posters in the audience, let’s correct any news story where you see “undocumented” instead of illegal.

For example, my governor of California, Jerry Brown, when running for governor was shown on You Tube stating he did not have a problem with “undocumented students” attending state-funded colleges. These “illegal aliens” are stealing seats from lawful residents and trying to hide their illegal status by calling them “undocumented” fools no one.

The Society Of Professional Journalists is making a laughing stock out of the true professional journalists out there. Facts are facts and they need to report the facts. Illegal means against the law. The term undocumented is an attempt to make border jumping almost respectable.

A serious reporter should report the facts, not alleged political correctness pabulum.

What’s next? Call illegal drugs “undocumented” drugs?