So why 5 years ago did Conan threaten to leave NBC if he did not get the Tonight Show? Why not just leave then, instead of forcing Leno to sign a contract with NBC to hand it over? Payback from Leno maybe?

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Because the mantra in TV, at least the old mantra of TV, was young blood over old blood. Fresher face over older face. Jay’s pushing 60 and Conan ain’t at 50 yet. Younger host=younger viewers=happy advertisers. The ratings failure of Conan might have changed that dynamic permanently. America’s aging, and the precious younger advertising demographic is increasingly a smaller percentage of the TV audience as a whole.

Leno’s ratings have continued to plummet, and for the last 3 weeks has matched Conan’s ratings in the 18-49 demographic. That’s despite having a legitimate lead-in, which Conan never had.

What an absolute disaster for NBC. Conan, despite his low ratings due to Leno’s awful show, still had the potential to build an audience. Leno has lost millions of viewers due to his awful behavior and back-stabbing, and what viewers he does have are either dying off or realizing there are better options than his boring, unfunny, unhip show.

Conan is very smart. Going on 60 Minutes will allow him to tell the old fogies that watch that show and 60 Minutes what a do uche Leno is, further damaging Leno’s reputation and viewership and promoting his own show down the road.

So why 5 years ago did Conan threaten to leave NBC if he did not get the Tonight Show?

Because he never threatened to leave NBC. That’s just a fiction created by Lenobots.

The ratings failure of Conan

There was no ratings failure by Conan. The ratings failure was Leno’s at 10PM. Conan was holding his own until September when Leno’s show started. That tanked the Late News and Conan’s ratings. And the affiliates demanded that Leno’s show be canceled, not Conan’s. But Leno had a $150 Million penalty clause in his contract so it was much cheaper for NBC to get rid of Conan.

This is one person who won’t be watching 60 Minutes.I’m so tired of this story,a story that matters to exactly two people,Conan and Jay,and nobody else including Kimmel and Letterman who have made asses out of themselves over this repeatedly.

Folks,this is who hosts what TV show it’s not important or worthy of the attention it has gotten.If it matters to you you need a life.

By the way Leno has beaten Letterman steadily since he returned and has better ratings than Conan did.Translation,most people went back to watching whoever they had watched regardless of the stupid gumbling.

To be fair, Leno never wanted to give up The Tonight Show, and the only way he agreed to do it was if NBC gave him another daily show. And Leno wasn’t exactly campaigning to get The Tonight Show back, he just accepted the job when NBC offered it back to him. He had been winning the late night wars for more than a decade, and he stepped down because he felt it was the graceful thing to do.

And Conan wasn’t exactly burning up the air waves. He wasn’t a ratings failure, but he wasn’t beating Letterman. During the summer his ratings were exactly where NBC was expecting them to be. But, yeah, when the nightly Leno show debuted, what happened to Conan was pretty much what everybody in the free world except NBC Universal thought would happen.

Personally, I never understood why NBC gave up prime time real estate. Why not give Leno an hour-long show before prime time at 7PM ET, where his show would have been different from the game shows and entertainment magazines at that hour?

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To be fair, Leno never wanted to give up The Tonight Show, and the only way he agreed to do it was if NBC gave him another daily show.

To be truthful that is not what happened. Leno annouced his retirement 5 years earlier but as the date drew nearer he started to have regrets. To prevent him from going to ABC or FOX, NBC gave him the primetime show with a guaranteed 2 year contract.

And Leno wasn’t exactly campaigning to get The Tonight Show back, he just accepted the job when NBC offered it back to him.

Again, not what happened. Leno had a $150 Million penalty clause in his contract if the 10PM was canceled before 2 years. When the affiliates demanded that the 10PM show be canceled, NBC offered Leno several other alternatives but he would only accept a return to 11:35PM.

He had been winning the late night wars for more than a decade, and he stepped down because he felt it was the graceful thing to do.

First, no he stepped down because NBC gave him a big payout in 2004. Second, in race that really counts and matters most to the networks Letterman had been beating Leno for years.
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Personally, I never understood why NBC gave up prime time real estate. Why not give Leno an hour-long show before prime time at 7PM ET, where his show would have been different from the game shows and entertainment magazines at that hour?

I’ll bite. The short version is, that just can’t happen… now the long version:

The network doesn’t have network-wide access to that hour, per its affiliate agreements. A leftover from the old “prime-time access” mandate that the affils have no intent to ever give back. 7pm to 8pm (6 to 7 central/mountain) is a syndication cash cow for them – either through “Wheel of Fortune” and “Jeopardy”, or “Extra” and “Access Hollywood”, or “The Insider” and “ET”.

NBC does own its “affiliate” stations in the country’s largest markets (O&Os, or Owned & Operateds). But those currently air “Extra” and “Access Hollywood” during the 7pm hour, which are produced and syndicated by… NBC. So putting Leno at 7pm on those stations would bump their own cheaply-produced shows off to a lesser-viewed hour (or other stations), and disturb their well-established lead-in for their 8pm prime-time programming.

You could argue that Leno might do better at 7pm, but Access and Extra do well enough that they don’t want to risk it. And they wouldn’t save a dime by replacing them with Leno, which was the whole reason they tried Leno at 10pm in the first place (save the huge expense in producing scripted programming)… not to mention that Leno probably wouldn’t care to host a talk show that might not air in all markets nationwide.

conan vs leno i would have to say conan :)

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He spent his entire career with NBC, I don’t think he didn’t like the network. He was upset by what happened, and deservedly so.

EdinNJ said:
Leno’s ratings have continued to plummet, and for the last 3 weeks has matched Conan’s ratings in the 18-49 demographic. That’s despite having a legitimate lead-in, which Conan never had.

What an absolute disaster for NBC. Conan, despite his low ratings due to Leno’s awful show, still had the potential to build an audience. Leno has lost millions of viewers due to his awful behavior and back-stabbing, and what viewers he does have are either dying off or realizing there are better options than his boring, unfunny, unhip show.

Conan is very smart. Going on 60 Minutes will allow him to tell the old fogies that watch that show and 60 Minutes what a do uche Leno is, further damaging Leno’s reputation and viewership and promoting his own show down the road.

Where do you get your statistics?! Leno’s ratings have been great the whole time after he came back and they were better before he left the show but, that’s only bc idiots like you preferred Conan and you didn’t watch after Leno reclaimed his rightful place as host of the Tonight Show!

If you are truly that dumb then you don’t even deserve to own a tv…