What is it with you right wing freaks?
Carrying around dead fetuses to show your kids,
That insane santorum from PA did the same thing

What a crazy family, no wonder Bush grew up to be a psychopath.

Only in a delusional state along with crazy self-rationalization, carrying a dead fetus around in a jar is considered “ok”.

to the hospital

the jar to the hospital, what would you do just throw it in the trash? asshole

So is this story saying we shouldn’t abort babies, or just not keep them in jars?

iris says:
What is it with you right wing freaks?
Carrying around dead fetuses to show your kids,
That insane santorum from PA did the same thing

You libs think it’s ok to shove a pair of scissors into the brain of a baby and we are the freaks?! Coming from you, I guess that makes sense. And M, your comment is just as disgusting. I know you libs justify the killing of a child by pretending it’s not one, but that doesn’t make it so. If you are a woman, have you had a child and therefore an ultrasound? I could make out my sons face early on, so don’t tell me it’s not a child. Whatever allows you sleep at night, I guess.

I just bet ol “W” has alot of lovely stories about his family like this.Interesting mothering skills.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
scissors into the brain

And just where did you get this? I saw it on a TV show and ever since you rethugs have been spewing it out as fact.Educate yourself about things before you spew your opinion.Which is just what it is, one persons opinion.

She puts it in a JAR to “take to the hospital” but
she had to make sure she showed her kid first!!??
She couldn’t have put it in a blanket or something and called the doctor?
That would have been the more SANE choice

Oddly enough, the fetus survived and Jeb carries on a mostly-normal life today.

SeeingmichelleF Fromy Window, where did you get the abortion thing from?
She had a miscarraige, nobody’s talking about abortion morAn

Do you own research Rock Brain! Although, I’m sure you won’t, because it’s easier to kill a child if you ignorantly tell yourself it’s not one. Of course, in the next breath, you libs are screaming outrage at a murderer on death row getting the needle. The logic of you libs astounds.

Jon Martin said:
So is this story saying we shouldn’t abort babies, or just not keep them in jars?

Jon Martin said:
Oddly enough, the fetus survived and Jeb carries on a mostly-normal life today.

HAHHAHAHAHHAHHA…

Hey Iris, the Virus, W is talking about what made him pro-life. Man, you are stupid!

I don’t believe this story.

The Bush men became anti-abortion when it became politically expedient to do so, to pander to the extreme right of the Republican party, and not a moment before. Poppy was a huge supporter of Planned Parenthood and contraception for many years, earning the nickname “Rubbers” in Congress.

All of the Bush women, with the exception of Customs criminal married to Jeb, have remained steadfastly pro-choice.

This story is a fable, in my opinion.

Of course you don’t believe it, King. You lie about everything, therefore assume everyone else does to. Makes sense.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Do you own research Rock Brain! Although, I’m sure you won’t, because it’s easier to kill a child if you ignorantly tell yourself it’s not one. Of course, in the next breath, you libs are screaming outrage at a murderer on death row getting the needle. The logic of you libs astounds.

The blind following of you lemmings to the Rethugs lies and miss truths is always astounding but never unexpected.

SO thats what you right wingers do with your kids to make sure they think like you
You carry fetuses around in jars to show your kids!!??
That is beyond sick and insane!!
And it really shows you got the stroopid real bad

BTW Seeing MichelleF From MY Window, How many jars of fetuses
do you have to show the kids, since that makes so much sense to you

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Of course you don’t believe it, King. You lie about everything, therefore assume everyone else does to. Makes sense.

Well, he lied about his DUI conviction and WMD’s. Why would this be different?

Hey King, if he lied about WMD’s, so did Clinton, Blair, Kerry, Israel, and COUNTLESS others. Also, though it wasn’t reported, the wikilieaks actually proved Iraq DID have them.

Rock Brain says:

The blind following of you lemmings to the Rethugs lies and miss truths is always astounding but never unexpected.

You’re just proving that you didn’t bother to do any research. Not surprised, ignorance is bliss to you libs!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Hey King, if he lied about WMD’s, so did Clinton, Blair, Kerry, Israel, and COUNTLESS others. Also, though it wasn’t reported, the wikilieaks actually proved Iraq DID have them.

Wikileaks did? Well, that settles it for me.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
You’re just proving that you didn’t bother to do any research. Not surprised, ignorance is bliss to you libs!

Well, Bloomberg seems to think the newly elected Congress is none to bright, what with searching for China on the map next to Iceland and the like.

Hey King, speaking of your lies, did you find that evidence that eluded the NYT that Rove and other’s were bankrolled by China? Come on, you’ve had a week!

iris said:
She puts it in a JAR to “take to the hospital” but
she had to make sure she showed her kid first!!??
She couldn’t have put it in a blanket or something and called the doctor?
That would have been the more SANE choice

Exactly. Geez, even when my kitten died, I wrapped it in a blanket. A jar seems so cold and impersonal. Bringing to mind the county fairs that have two headed snakes in jars. And showing it to your young in *a jar* is kind of over the top in my head.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
research

And just what research have you done,besides taking your fetus jars around to show your kids as you watch Glenn Beck on that there fancy TV screen.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Hey King, if he lied about WMD’s, so did Clinton, Blair, Kerry, Israel, and COUNTLESS others. Also, though it wasn’t reported, the wikilieaks actually proved Iraq DID have them.

No, its called you can fool me once. And if there actually was some, why not report it? He took a lot of flack for lying. Seems to me he’d have wanted to clear that little technicality up.

he had to drive his mother to the hospital, she was upset, where is the compassion you libs say you have, unreal that you can turn it into a personal attack. common sense people!

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its babies and it’s animals are treated”
Updated Mahatma Gandhi quote.

I suspect Gandhi never thought to add “babies” to the saying because what kind of culture kills it’s offspring? Gandhi probably never contemplated the existence of liberals.

Jon Martin said:
So is this story saying we shouldn’t abort babies, or just not keep them in jars?

Jon Martin said:
Oddly enough, the fetus survived and Jeb carries on a mostly-normal life today.

HAHAHAHAHA keep em comin’!!!!

cjd ohio 1 said:
he had to drive his mother to the hospital, she was upset, where is the compassion you libs say you have, unreal that you can turn it into a personal attack. common sense people!

Driving her to the hospital has what to do with showing him the fetus in a jar?

Alz said:
I suspect Gandhi never thought to add “babies” to the saying because what kind of culture kills it’s offspring? Gandhi probably never contemplated the existence of liberals.

And your sticking with the idea that no republican women have ever had an abortion? Well then, I have some swampland I need to off load.

I wonder how all the vile lefties posting their snide comments here feel about the fact that the death penalty was just given (six times) to the animal that raped and murdered the family in Conneticut.

Is the death penalty wrong? Is it “state sanctioned murder” as I’ve often heard the voices on the left call it? Even for a beast like this?

Let’s see how many on the left, not only in this forum but elsewhere, decry the barbarity of the death penalty yet support abortion.

You people are vile.

maybe she was explaining to him what happen, why they had to go to the hospital, maybe she was just upset and wasn’t thinking clearly after a miscarriage, damn

MiddleRoader said:
And your sticking with the idea that no republican women have ever had an abortion? Well then, I have some swampland I need to off load.

And where did I say that? !!! Jeez, you lefty’s get unhinged so easily. Go ahead and try to defend killing our own offspring! Barbarian.

Harry Flashman said:
I wonder how all the vile lefties posting their snide comments here feel about the fact that the death penalty was just given (six times) to the animal that raped and murdered the family in Conneticut.

Is the death penalty wrong? Is it “state sanctioned murder” as I’ve often heard the voices on the left call it? Even for a beast like this?

Let’s see how many on the left, not only in this forum but elsewhere, decry the barbarity of the death penalty yet support abortion.

You people are vile.

Harry, everything is the opposite with liberals: It’s okay and encouraged to kill innocent babies but it’s wrong to kill convicted killers. Everything is backwards with liberals..

Liberals don’t like these kinds of stories, because they will invariably end with the incomprehensible phrase ‘sanctity of life’.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
You libs think it’s ok to shove a pair of scissors into the brain of a baby and we are the freaks

You really need to get off that soap box more often. I would have to believe that most people are not in agreement with late term abortions unless it is for the health of the mother. And in that case the babies are delivered early and alive. Alive hopefully. And as far as liberals, I also think that most are against it just for contraception purposes as in multiple procedures. In the way to be to lazy or cheap to buy rubbers, birth control pills and iud’s etc. And anyway, you repubs are always screaming about personal accountability. So wouldn’t this also apply to abortions? Ultimately if you believe in a maker, it would be between said maker and yourself at some point.

To bad it wasn’t George in that jar. It would have saved 100,000′s of other lives. I think that would have been a fair trade. As Keith says about Palin. George Bush is an IDIOT.

Alz said:
I suspect Gandhi never thought to add “babies” to the saying because what kind of culture kills it’s offspring? Gandhi probably never contemplated the existence of liberals.

Your last sentence.

Why was Crazy Lady Bachmann snubbed by the GOP? Why was she not included on the Transition Committee? Does this have anything to do with Bloomberg?

RIChris said:
Liberals don’t like these kinds of stories, because they will invariably end with the incomprehensible phrase ’sanctity of life’.

Yes, the Repugs rail against abortion but then when women are unable to take care of these children they rail against food stamps and medicare. I say Repugs adopt these children and pay to raise them. Or at the least pay and preach birth control instead of abstinance.

Alz said:
Harry, everything is the opposite with liberals: It’s okay and encouraged to kill innocent babies but it’s wrong to kill convicted killers. Everything is backwards with liberals..

Hmmm, more and more convicted killers are cleared from those convictions from a new thing called DNA research.

cjd ohio 1 said:
maybe she was explaining to him what happen, why they had to go to the hospital, maybe she was just upset and wasn’t thinking clearly after a miscarriage, damn

There is no excuse for this behavior. Probably part of why Georgie became an alcoholic. Being raised by that kind of a miother had to have some effect on him. Actually after reading this I almost feel sorry for Gerogie.

MiddleRoader said:

“And anyway, you repubs are always screaming about personal accountability. So wouldn’t this also apply to abortions? Ultimately if you believe in a maker, it would be between said maker and yourself at some point.”

You can’t take the “personal accountability” argument into the realm of abortion any more than you could argue that committing casual murder is “between you and your maker”.

And, by the way, I’m not a “repub.”

BlackWidow said:
Yes, the Repugs rail against abortion but then when women are unable to take care of these children they rail against food stamps and medicare. I say Repugs adopt these children and pay to raise them. Or at the least pay and preach birth control instead of abstinance.

I agree.Put up or shut up rethugs.

Or say you could just invent another war to kill the kids already living.

O course those mammas can’t carry those kids around in a jar can they.

and black widow what about obama’s drunk father and whore mother that left her kid to be raised by her parents, any excuse there

scissors into the brain

And just where did you get this? I saw it on a TV show and ever since you rethugs have been spewing it out as fact.Educate yourself about things before you spew your opinion.Which is just what it is, one persons opinion.

The “procedure” is called Partial Birth Abortion. It is used during late terms.Some abortionists can harvest the body and sell the baby for “research” and profit. For the Baby-phobes among us that call themselves “Pro-Choice” this should be called what God and most human beings call it: murder

Seeing MichelleF From My Window, still waiting for you to tell us
how may jars of fetuses you have to show the kids!!

The Real Royal King said:
I don’t believe this story. The Bush men became anti-abortion when it became politically expedient to do so, to pander to the extreme right of the Republican party, and not a moment before. Poppy was a huge supporter of Planned Parenthood and contraception for many years, earning the nickname “Rubbers” in Congress. All of the Bush women, with the exception of Customs criminal married to Jeb, have remained steadfastly pro-choice. This story is a fable, in my opinion.

King, this is hard for me to believe but if true and he had the BALLS to put it in his book just shows how really sick and demented he is.

BlackWidow says:
To bad it wasn’t George in that jar. It would have saved 100,000’s of other lives. I think that would have been a fair trade. As Keith says about Palin. George Bush is an IDIOT.

Do you realize how disgusting you sound? Aren’t you the gal that is always screaming about violence and here you are advocating it against Bush. HYPO!!!!

Dsiscokid said:
scissors into the brain And just where did you get this? I saw it on a TV show and ever since you rethugs have been spewing it out as fact.Educate yourself about things before you spew your opinion.Which is just what it is, one persons opinion. The “procedure” is called Partial Birth Abortion. It is used during late terms.Some abortionists can harvest the body and sell the baby for “research” and profit. For the Baby-phobes among us that call themselves “Pro-Choice” this should be called what God and most human beings call it: murder

Oh my and you believe everything you see on TV. Please don’t tell me your are that stupid.

It is sad how that some people treat their animals better than a human being.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and black widow what about obama’s drunk father and whore mother that left her kid to be raised by her parents, any excuse there

I betchcha snarky Pres.Obamas mother never ever showed him his dead baby brother or sister in a jar.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
BlackWidow says:To bad it wasn’t George in that jar. It would have saved 100,000’s of other lives. I think that would have been a fair trade. As Keith says about Palin. George Bush is an IDIOT. Do you realize how disgusting you sound? Aren’t you the gal that is always screaming about violence and here you are advocating it against Bush. HYPO!!!!

Shows how sick your mind is. It is NOT violence when you have a miscarriage. What is violent about that? What she did with it is violent if you ask me. Get a grip Michele. You can mischaracterize all you like but it doesn’t work for me.

Dsiscokid said:
It is sad how that some people treat their animals better than a human being.

Most caring people put their sick animals out of their misery. Are you saying we should treat people the same way.

iris said:
Seeing MichelleF From My Window, still waiting for you to tell us
how may jars of fetuses you have to show the kids!!

Probably fewer since Halloween.

You know the more you think about this story, the more sick and demented it is. I use to see Pops and Babs from time-to-time at St. Martin’s in Houston. I never came to know them in any real sense, and sense at all. They were generally cold, distance, arrogant and aloof. But, even from a distance, I don’t believe for a minute, not for a second that Babs actually did this. If she didn’t, this is a particularly perverse and demented lie. If she did, then it seems a callous betrayal. In either case, this is a really sickening glimpse into the W mind.

no rock steady she was not around

BlackWidow says- Oh my and you believe everything you see on TV. Please don’t tell me your are that stupid

No, I just try to do research, hear both sides of a story, and use common sense. How do you define the murder of unborn children?

about two years ago one of my husbands relatives had a miscarriage. the gyno removed it, and put it in a small jar. she had to keep it overnight, and take it to the hospital the next day (for tests).
barbara bush did it 50 years ago. they still do it like that in italy, today.

(and no, i am not lying.)

the comments in this thread are appalling. what did you expect Mrs. bush to do? throw it out with the trash?
unbelievable.

Wasn’t the “fetus in a jar” trick used in Jackass 3D? I think Babs is due some royalties. Reading that told me all I need to know about the Bush Family and it pretty much explains all three Bush administrations.

I think it’s safe to say we have reached a new low in comments here. It’s one thing to bash each others candidates and political philosophies but this is beyond the pale.

As a father that got to hold my two daughters shortly before they died as a result of being born prematurely, (technology was not nearly advanced in 1980, today they would have lived) I honestly can’t fathom how you people feel, or rather don’t feel.

Your comments are really despicable.

ROCKSTEADY said:
Or say you could just invent another war to kill the kids already living.

ROCKSTEADY said:
O course those mammas can’t carry those kids around in a jar can they.

Well by the way some on here want to contribute abortions only to the dems. Maybe its republican women who kill their children and stuff them in trash bags etc.?

And no, I don’t really believe that, anymore than I believe it’s just democrat women that abort. As some would have it here.

BlackWidow says Most caring people put their sick animals out of their misery. Are you saying we should treat people the same way.

Are you comparing innocent babies to sick animals?

sarainitaly said:
about two years ago one of my husbands relatives had a miscarriage. the gyno removed it, and put it in a small jar. she had to keep it overnight, and take it to the hospital the next day (for tests).barbara bush did it 50 years ago. they still do it like that in italy, today. (and no, i am not lying.) the comments in this thread are appalling. what did you expect Mrs. bush to do? throw it out with the trash?unbelievable.

No…I thought they would invite the Cheney’s over for victuals and then take a dip in the cement pond!

Wow, it’s so crazy! Imagine having to actually see what was potential human life rather than depersonalizing it with words like “choice”, etc. I used to be one of those people who believed in the “it’s a woman’s body and only she gets to decide!!” people. But then I grew up, and actually came to realize that it’s never quite so black and white. All one needs to do is see some of the now-available photos of very early fetus development to know this isn’t just a mass of cells. Here’s one from 7 weeks. Seven weeks!

http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/fig09hands7.jpg

There’s almost no compelling reason other than the health of the mother that any 2nd or 3rd trimester abortions need to be conducted. If a woman/girl finds herself pregnant with all of today’s options, she should be making this decision very, very early on whether to go to term.

I wonder what Mrs. Bush could have done to make him stay away from cocaine and alcohol. Oh..and illegal wars!

Spider Lady says:

Shows how sick your mind is. It is NOT violence when you have a miscarriage.

So wishing death on someone isn’t violent to you?

To most left-leaning folks who are pro-abortion they look at the issue as only political
To most right-leaning folks who are pro-life they see the issue for what it is- murder

timzank said:
As a father that got to hold my two daughters shortly before they died as a result of being born prematurely, (technology was not nearly advanced in 1980, today they would have lived) I honestly can’t fathom how you people feel, or rather don’t feel.

i’m so sorry. what a terrible loss.

sarainitaly said:
about two years ago one of my husbands relatives had a miscarriage. the gyno removed it, and put it in a small jar. she had to keep it overnight, and take it to the hospital the next day (for tests).
barbara bush did it 50 years ago. they still do it like that in italy, today.

(and no, i am not lying.)

the comments in this thread are appalling. what did you expect Mrs. bush to do? throw it out with the trash?
unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPe0hhyUCx0

timzank said:
I think it’s safe to say we have reached a new low in comments here. It’s one thing to bash each others candidates and political philosophies but this is beyond the pale.

As a father that got to hold my two daughters shortly before they died as a result of being born prematurely, (technology was not nearly advanced in 1980, today they would have lived) I honestly can’t fathom how you people feel, or rather don’t feel.

Your comments are really despicable.

timzank said:
I think it’s safe to say we have reached a new low in comments here. It’s one thing to bash each others candidates and political philosophies but this is beyond the pale.

As a father that got to hold my two daughters shortly before they died as a result of being born prematurely, (technology was not nearly advanced in 1980, today they would have lived) I honestly can’t fathom how you people feel, or rather don’t feel.

Your comments are really despicable.

I truly am sorry for your losses. It is never easy to lose a child. And forgive me for asking, but would you have ever considered putting those precious babies in a jar? You don’t have to answer, maybe just think about that.

This thread is really being out the best in you tolerant, compassionate liberals!

timzank said:
I think it’s safe to say we have reached a new low in comments here. It’s one thing to bash each others candidates and political philosophies but this is beyond the pale.

As a father that got to hold my two daughters shortly before they died as a result of being born prematurely, (technology was not nearly advanced in 1980, today they would have lived) I honestly can’t fathom how you people feel, or rather don’t feel.

Your comments are really despicable.

No, Michelle-in-Utah From My Window has been doing that scissors things for some time now.

Tim, I’m sorry for your loss. It is my belief that they are on the other side, waiting for you to join them.

timzank is right – the commenets here are appalling.

Once again lhe left proves over and over again that they have nothing, no argument, no rationale, just excreble vitriol in the place of discourse and snide snarky commentary in the place of position on a subject. They are unable to discuss an issue. They just attack with vulgarity and insult. If you have any doubt about that, just look at the above thread.

Childish, foul mouthed fools.

i am done with this thread, i said some things i shouldn’t have, if i offended anyone i am sorry. i have become petty in my arguement here. timzank i am really sorry for your loss

You can’t force someone to have a baby if they don’t want to.

End of discussion.

This will never change.

Deal with it.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

Notice how Life is the FIRST inalienable right endowed by our Creator?

sarainitaly said:
i’m so sorry. what a terrible loss.

Thanks Sara,

I’m pro-choice, but your comments above are disgusting. Clearly, Barbara was bringing the baby to the hospital for a proper way to take care of the body. Her baby died, what on God’s earth do you think they did back then in a rural location when 24/7 hospitals weren’t around? Everything in texas is a few hours drive from houses to begin with.

I’m sure it was done with all the love and respect in the world. A miscarriage is the death of a child and usually a devastating experience.

There’s also the obvious fact that no one who was never born has ever complained about it.

lane said:
Everything in texas is a few hours drive from houses to begin with.

BS. Midland (where in the time frame this apparently occurred) and Houston are urban areas. The hospital is no more than 10 minutes away. This would have clearly qualified as an EMS call.

Jon Martin
You can’t force someone to have a baby if they don’t want to.

End of discussion.

This will never change.

Deal with it.

———————————————————————-
True, John but how is it that our Nation “legally” sactions it? Would you say that our Gov’t is aiding and abetting in murder by endoring it?

endorsing

MiddleRoader said:
I truly am sorry for your losses. It is never easy to lose a child. And forgive me for asking, but would you have ever considered putting those precious babies in a jar? You don’t have to answer, maybe just think about that.

Had they been born at my house or farm and the doctors had asked me to, of course I would.

Lane,

Thank you so much for your kind response. I may differ with you on the issue (I am very pro life), but I can respect someone who at least understands what this story really was instead of the way Mediaiate tries to make it sound freaky. Hopefully there are more people like you and I who can discuss things rationally and without meaness than there are the commenters on this website who seem to try to see who can be the most offensive.

Really, thank you. I appreciate it.

Harry Flashman said:
They are unable to discuss an issue

What were we not discussing but the issue of her putting a fetus in a jar and showing it to her young son.Who by the way will always remember it.Rememebr it enough to put it into his Memoirs so everyone who wanted to could be privy to this piece of info.

The Real Royal King said:
BS. Midland (where in the time frame this apparently occurred) and Houston are urban areas. The hospital is no more than 10 minutes away. This would have clearly qualified as an EMS call.

Do you really think they had EMS 50 years ago you idiot? We didn’t have EMS in the 2nd largest city in Indiana until 1978. I worked the old style cadillac ambulance for the funeral home back then. You must be really young.

Kathleen McKinley said:
Lane, Thank you so much for your kind response. I may differ with you on the issue (I am very pro life), but I can respect someone who at least understands what this story really was instead of the way Mediaiate tries to make it sound freaky. Hopefully there are more people like you and I who can discuss things rationally and without meaness than there are the commenters on this website who seem to try to see who can be the most offensive. Really, thank you. I appreciate it.

I second that, Kathleen.

What’s weirder than the fact that Mama Bush showed the canned fetus to Dubya, is that she stored it overnight in the fridge…right between the pickles and the marmalade.

Jon Martin said:
You can’t force someone to have a baby if they don’t want to.

End of discussion.

This will never change.

Deal with it.

You can if he’s the father.

This whole thread is an embarrassment to all that is humanity.
Jesus fucking Christ, you bunch of morons.
You bunch of bitter little bitches can find politics and humor in any story, no matter how tragic.
Unbelievable.

Read the account below.

This does not appear to have been an emergency. The fetus in a jar story was part of a regularly scheduled appointment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327757/George-Bush-interview-Ex-President-reveals-moment-mother-shared-miscarriage-agony.html

There’s just no need in a civil society for these ugly attacks on people’s loss. As a human being, miscarriages are very sad, normal people feel empathy for those who lose loved ones. Being behind a computer screen is no excuse for uncivil behavior, and some of these posts will hopefully be deleted.

timzank said:
Had they been born at my house or farm and the doctors had asked me to, of course I would.

Fair enough, again I am sorry for your losses. I’m just not sure I would be able to do that even if they requested it. Maybe it’s because I just don’t understand the reason for the jar. I’m sure it has to do with perhaps the why of her miscarriage. I would have thought that answer more lay with the mother (not meaning it was her fault) only in the why her body rejected the fetus. Again, I am no doctor and I know it.

Talk about a macabre story. Whew.

Miscarriage is traumatic enough for a women but to pass that trauma to one’s child is of very poor taste. The physician would have been involved in embalming of the fetus and that requires two bad judgments.

It is hard to believe that the bottled fetus would have the cause of President’s Bush ban of stem cell research that could have saved many lives but there you have it. We can now see parents shape children and how childhood obsessions finally effect policy.

Alcohol induced hallucinations? Some people see pink elephants. Others see fetuses in jars. At least Babs didn’t put it on the mantlepiece as did Rick Santorum. Jesus, what it is it with GOPPers and fetuses. “Macabre” is right!

I find it very odd that the person in this story least traumatized is Babs, who has remained steadfastly pro-choice all her life.

@timzank, more importantly, I do not understand the showing of the fetus to George, especially in the jar.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Spider Lady says: Shows how sick your mind is. It is NOT violence when you have a miscarriage. So wishing death on someone isn’t violent to you?

Michele please get a fucking grip here. I did NOT wish death on anyone. I only had a problem with her showing this to her young son. That was truly sick. It is very sad when babies are miscarried or die prematurely. I feel for anyone who goes through this.

Sighhhhhh….I remember when the most controversial thing that came in jars was jelly.

JohnnyDollarLoveChild said:
Alcohol induced hallucinations? Some people see pink elephants. Others see fetuses in jars. At least Babs didn’t put it on the mantlepiece as did Rick Santorum. Jesus, what it is it with GOPPers and fetuses. “Macabre” is right!

They are religious fanatics. Look I have my sisters ashes in a urn in my house but that is common practice these days. Babies on the mantle just goes to show you how crazy Santorium is. I lived in PA when he was in office and alao when we got rid of him.

BlackWidow said:
Babies on the mantle just goes to show you how crazy Santorium is

Yes it does.

Funny how it came out of this comments section and not from the actual incident, kind of how “back of the bus” crap was spun out of that Obama speech only this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more crude, spiteful and hate filled.

Ah, the internet . . .

Kathleen McKinley said:
Lane,

Thank you so much for your kind response. I may differ with you on the issue (I am very pro life), but I can respect someone who at least understands what this story really was instead of the way Mediaiate tries to make it sound freaky. Hopefully there are more people like you and I who can discuss things rationally and without meaness than there are the commenters on this website who seem to try to see who can be the most offensive.

Really, thank you. I appreciate it.

Kathleen,

I’m glad your post pointed out that this article seemed to imply something untoward. Having to go through the grim details of a miscarriage is just a really a sad story. The fetus in a jar is a disturbing visual, but back then, like today as well, you just called the doctor and followed the instructions.

Also, I do use the word baby for a reason. While I am pro-choice and believe a woman has the right to choose, I would never personally have an abortion, and I think using the term ‘fetus’, technically accurate, takes away the truth. The fetus is a baby in development. I have a friend who had a miscarriage, she carries that lost forever. To think of her having the loss and having to deal with the body in such a stark manner is brutal.

I am pro-choice because I do think a woman’s right to choose outweighs the baby’s life, but I also would never personally have an abortion. However, I simply believe that I cannot force my opinion on another woman, especially in rape or incest.

Like you say, reasonable people can disagree without being cruel and rude. The rude commentators never offer any useful insight anyway…. Of course, they don’t seem to know it.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
iris says:
What is it with you right wing freaks?
Carrying around dead fetuses to show your kids,
That insane santorum from PA did the same thing

You libs think it’s ok to shove a pair of scissors into the brain of a baby and we are the freaks?! Coming from you, I guess that makes sense. And M, your comment is just as disgusting. I know you libs justify the killing of a child by pretending it’s not one, but that doesn’t make it so. If you are a woman, have you had a child and therefore an ultrasound? I could make out my sons face early on, so don’t tell me it’s not a child. Whatever allows you sleep at night, I guess.

I pee and shit every single day. I don’t store piss and shit in jars.

The end.

Harry Flashman said:
You can’t take the “personal accountability” argument into the realm of abortion any more than you could argue that committing casual murder is “between you and your maker”.

First of all, I do not believe that the majority of women have *casual* abortions. The few that I know that did have one, live with that pain forever. It was not an easy decision they came to. They struggled with the decision before and after. Most times they feel as if they had no other choice. Certainly there is adoption, but that is not always an option in their minds, either. Do you even realize how many families would disown their daughters for becoming an unwed mother? Some times young women have the procedure because they are scared to death of what the *family* will think and do. Years ago many of them were sent away by their families until the child was born, so no one would know. And then treated like a leper when they returned. I have taken a couple women to the clinic and the protesters were out and they had little to no options on how this baby if not aborted would be fed or clothed other than the welfare line. Another option, the right is forever against.

MiddleRoader said:
@timzank, more importantly, I do not understand the showing of the fetus to George, especially in the jar.

I would imagine his mother showed it to him because he drove her to the hospital and probably had to show him and explain what the hell was going on. Having worked as an ambulance attendant (prior to EMS days) and having patiets die in transit, and as an embalming student/assistant in a funeral home at the same time (I was 17) , death, bodies, and funerals are not any more “scarring” to teenagers than they are to adults. If anything, it helps prepare them for the inevitable loss of more friends and loved ones. It didn’t scar me, it gave me a great appreciation for life, as it obviously did GW as well. Death is part of life.

BlackWidow says:
To bad it wasn’t George in that jar

No matter how you spin it, spider lady, you wished him death.

Middle Roader says:

I have taken a couple women to the clinic and the protesters were out and they had little to no options on how this baby if not aborted would be fed or clothed other than the welfare line. Another option, the right is forever against.

Adoption.

I have a feeling Will Ferrell is clearing his schedule for 11:30 – 11:45 this Saturday night.
Key Words” Saturday Night”

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Adoption.

Unfortunately, you do have a reading comprehension problem. I spoke of adoption as an option.

Sorry, I don’t hang on your every word and missed that part. However, it’s always an option, and a better one than murder, in my opinion.

timzank said:
Death is part of life.

Absolutely, as it has hit my family much to often starting at a young age of myself and some of my loved ones in their passing. Showing the fetus in a jar to anyone other than a doctor, I just can’t seem to wrap it around my brain. Certainly that is a personal choice, but I don’t see the necessity in him seeing it to understand why he was taking her to the hospital. The knowledge of the miscarriage seems reason enough.

MiddleRoader said:
Absolutely, as it has hit my family much to often starting at a young age of myself and some of my loved ones in their passing. Showing the fetus in a jar to anyone other than a doctor, I just can’t seem to wrap it around my brain. Certainly that is a personal choice, but I don’t see the necessity in him seeing it to understand why he was taking her to the hospital. The knowledge of the miscarriage seems reason enough.

Well one would think the conversation would come up on the way to the hospital.

Barbara Bush is a borderline personality. Her sickness and cruelty most assuredly manifested itself in the madness of our Murderous 43rd president.

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m said:
Only in a delusional state along with crazy self-rationalization, carrying a dead fetus around in a jar is considered “ok”.

Why? She correctly knew that it was a dead fetus. Just, the son was always a little scared.

timzank said:
Well one would think the conversation would come up on the way to the hospital.

One would think. Not sure if here look in the jar was necessary. Just saying.

Harry Flashman said:
I wonder how all the vile lefties posting their snide comments here feel about the fact that the death penalty was just given (six times) to the animal that raped and murdered the family in Conneticut. Is the death penalty wrong? Is it “state sanctioned murder” as I’ve often heard the voices on the left call it? Even for a beast like this? Let’s see how many on the left, not only in this forum but elsewhere, decry the barbarity of the death penalty yet support abortion. You people are vile.

They’re mad that he wasn’t turned loose to rape and murder all of their political opponents, doubtless.

Look, I’m a Christian and here’s what I personally believe; what you do with your life, your body and your soul is entirely on you, not me, and what I did with mine is one me, not you, and ne’er the twain shall meet. I do think that the only case where an abortion is acceptable is when it is a danger to the mother’s life, but I’m not forcing that on anybody else. Isn’t the right always telling government to stop enforcing their will on them blah blah blah?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Sorry, I don’t hang on your every word and missed that part. However, it’s always an option, and a better one than murder, in my opinion.

When responding to a post you should read it in its entirety so that you don’t post random bullsh*t that the author already addressed. You avoid looking like an idiot that way.

RL, if I want adivce on how to NOT look like an idiot, I definately wouldn’t come to you.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Look, I’m a Christian and here’s what I personally believe; what you do with your life, your body and your soul is entirely on you, not me, and what I did with mine is one me, not you, and ne’er the twain sha

Thank you! and it’s not like the dems are rounding up women and forcing them to have abortions. Choice is choice, for oneself. Nothing more or less. And I would not expect the government or health carriers to pay for it. As far as insurance carriers, only if it was a danger to the mothers life. I would loosely add, for rape or incest, as well, but kind of on the fence with that one. As far as insurance coverage.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
RL, if I want adivce on how to NOT look like an idiot, I definately wouldn’t come to you.

If that’s the best you can come up with then you really shouldn’t come to me. You need to go back to Beck University, Michelle. Why? You just made yourself look like an idiot again. (I just wanted to elaborate in case you didn’t catch understand).

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
RL, if I want adivce on how to NOT look like an idiot, I definately wouldn’t come to you.

Geez, Michelle, it usually, no always, is imperative you read the complete post to respond accordingly. It helps. Or do you interrupt people you physically speak with before they can get their whole sentence or thought out?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Sorry, I don’t hang on your every word and missed that part. However, it’s always an option, and a better one than murder, in my opinion.

Sorry I meant this post.

All of you lunatic liberals who have insulted Bush because of what his mother did really have no room to say anything. You are supporters of the mass murdering of over 50 million unborn children,plus the millions that we have paid for overseas. So just remember this….. there is a hell of alot more blood on YOUR hands than a president who waged two wars. You must be very proud of that!!!

Mark Caplinger said:
All of you lunatic liberals who have insulted Bush because of what his mother did really have no room to say anything. You are supporters of the mass murdering of over 50 million unborn children,plus the millions that we have paid for overseas. So just remember this….. there is a hell of alot more blood on YOUR hands than a president who waged two wars. You must be very proud of that!!!

That’s just a big Kart ‘o Krap worthy of Tumbleweed. I am a social liberal opposed to abortion.

W-T-F!?!

I guess it didn’t make enough of an impression. He is directly responsible for the death of 4K + American troops (more than Al-Qaeda killed on 9/11) and 100K + Iraqi citizens and untold number of Afghani citizens!

Again the republicans love the fetus but hate the child, teen, young adult, adult, and senior over there as well as over here (see Teabag and Teapublican opposed to health care for USA’s citizens)

I see why she had to bring it to the hospital but the weird part is the Mom showing it to her kid. Its a tragedy either way. No one should be point scoring off this.

@Mark Caplinger

Your a fool!

Timothy Wright said:
I guess it didn’t make enough of an impression. He is directly responsible for the death of 4K + American troops (more than Al-Qaeda killed on 9/11) and 100K + Iraqi citizens and untold number of Afghani citizens!

Again the republicans love the fetus but hate the child, teen, young adult, adult, and senior over there as well as over here (see Teabag and Teapublican opposed to health care for USA’s citizens)

I don’t know why I’m bothering with you, but he (I assume you mean Bush) freed 50 million Iraqi citizens.

Your other dribble is useless. It’s the liberals who hate people. Look at how they have ruined the inner cities for 50 years! How many families have been destroyed and how many people have been killed in the inner cities due to liberalism? I’ll bet you never thought about it. But do think about it. You can’t blame Bush, you can’t blame “the last 8 years”, you can’t blame Republicans, but we all can blame liberalism.

The liberals have UTTERLY controlled these areas for 50 years. The blood is on your hands.

Hey libtards, you do realize Bush’s mom is for abortion; try Opera show. You see, it’s merely tissue, a fetus to her,which is pro choices view, you should impress by her view, you sick Fu~ks.

“We’ll never look at Barbara Bush the same way again,” wrote another. (mediaite)

According to the book, “Decision Points,” Barbara Bush never paraded the jar around the house, nor did she put it on her bedroom shelf as a keepsake. And taking the remains of the miscarriage to the hospital is far from barbaric.

In fact, there is nothing weird about the practice. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in their 2010 patient education pamphlet recommends:

“If you have heavy bleeding and think you have passed fetal tissue, place it in a clean container and take it to the doctor for inspection. Your doctor will want to examine you.”

Dr. Tracy W. Gaudet, an obstetrician and executive director of Duke Integrative Medicine in North Carolina, said when her mother miscarried her twin, she, too, took the remains to the hospital, just as the Bushes did.

The protocol is the same today, she said.

“If you can bring anything passed it allows us to first know if everything has passed or not, and secondly it allows us to send the fetus for genetic testing if indicated,” said Gaudet. “I do think culturally we were closer to life and death. My dad grew up on a farm for example, and these matters were more fundamentally understood.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/barbara-bush-miscarriage-george-bush-memoir-viral-reaction/story?id=12101996

@ sarainitaly

My first reaction when I read the article was “a jar – how brutal and unnecessary,” but – as has happened for me before in Mediate comment threads – your helpful explanations have clarified the matter (bringing fetal remains to a hospital or clinic for postmortem examination is standard procedure). And, while showing George the jar clearly scarred him for life (surely there was a more sensitive way to inform him), many people do or say unusual or ill-considered things when they are grieving. Much as I loathe Barbara Bush, I agree it is unfair to judge her actions out of context.

What I find truly tragic is that George extrapolated the wrong message from this harrowing family experience.

Clearly, he believes his position in favor of criminalizing all abortions protects “life,” but in countries where abortion is outlawed, women like his mother are more likely to die. In Nicaragua, for example, where abortion was recently completely outlawed, women who present at a hospital after experiencing a miscarriage must be reported to the police on suspicion of murder (there are criminal penalties for doctors who fail to report such women).

As documented by Amnesty International, the murder investigations that ensue are harrowing affairs that include forced gynecological exams and police seizure of fetal remains as “evidence.” Quite understandably, the fear of being accused of murder and prevented from having a decent burial service keeps women from seeking medical care after fetal demise, which leaves them vulnerable to death from sepsis and hemorrhage. Even women who have *not* miscarried but are experiencing symptoms of distressed pregnancy (eclampsia, etc.) have avoided medical care because they are too fearful of being accused of *attempting* to self-abort — which makes it *more* likely that they will miscarry and lose their own lives.

On top of that, most physicians are so fearful of prosecution that they won’t perform abortions even to save the life of a woman, which is technically still legal (how do they prove the abortion was *truly* necessary?). Again, there are documented cases of women who have died for this reason.

There is complete disconnect between the ‘pro-life’ motivations expressed by W. and the policies he (and those like him) promote. It is beyond frustrating to see well-intentioned people make this mistake. Making abortion illegal does not stop abortion – it drives it underground and makes it far more dangerous. There is ample evidence from countries around the world demonstrating that criminalization leads to more deaths (including, in impoverished countries, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of young children who suffer malnutrition when their mothers die from unsafe abortions).

I truly believe that if well-intentioned promoters of abortion bans understood the ramifications of their actions, they would weep with shame and sorrow. It is beyond tragic that George didn’t – or couldn’t – connect the dots on this issue.

best regards,

C.