Funny how the judgments goes, invariably, to condemn this pranks or sketchs as homophobics.

Couldn’t be he is just self-deprecating or laughing together of some situation gays goes through?

This witchcraft persecution style of homophobic it’s getting old and tiresome.

I’m gay, btw.

Abs.

If he was gay and made movies that made fun of straight people, he’d be up for getting an Oscar.

the 80′s music choices are lousy..capt is kinda hot…

OMG. The Navy is raunchy!?! How could this have happened?

That sort of behavior crosses the line.

The Captain is a mariner counterpart of a sucessuful and kind of funny sport comentator of brazilian’s teevee:

Tiago Leifert!

Both are kind a hot too!
:o)

Somebody has thier panities in a bunch. Who writes your headlines? My bad for actually waiting for all the Raunchy Homophobic activities…. all I can say is the US Navy is Hot!

At least the baggers that usually hang out here aren’t blaming this on Obama. I’m guessing they actually read the article attached and saw that these videos were shot in 2006 and 2007.

The officer that produced this video should be demoted in rank! This is ignorant, bigoted homophobic speech. This is un-American. I guess we have to remember that the military is often an employer of last resort. They really scraped the bottom of the barrel with the trash that produced this video.

“The officer that produced this video should be demoted in rank! This is ignorant, bigoted homophobic speech. This is un-American. I guess we have to remember that the military is often an employer of last resort. They really scraped the bottom of the barrel with the trash that produced this video.”

—Bottom of the barrel? Employer of last resort? How dare you, the high school and college graduation rates of people in the military exceeds those of civilian counterparts. The requirements to join and to stay in our armed forces are beyond anything in the private sector, or have you ever had a job where not showing up can lead to a jail sentence?

That officer is a hero, he is risking his life so ungrateful commie progressives like you can write stupid crap on a blog. Besides, don’t ask don’t tell has been lifted, gays can now serve openly in the military, so it’s up to them to deal with that officer just like any other group does when they feel offended.

greg454 said:
“The officer that produced this video should be demoted in rank! This is ignorant, bigoted homophobic speech. This is un-American. I guess we have to remember that the military is often an employer of last resort. They really scraped the bottom of the barrel with the trash that produced this video.”

—Bottom of the barrel? Employer of last resort? How dare you, the high school and college graduation rates of people in the military exceeds those of civilian counterparts. The requirements to join and to stay in our armed forces are beyond anything in the private sector, or have you ever had a job where not showing up can lead to a jail sentence?

That officer is a hero, he is risking his life so ungrateful commie progressives like you can write stupid crap on a blog. Besides, don’t ask don’t tell has been lifted, gays can now serve openly in the military, so it’s up to them to deal with that officer just like any other group does when they feel offended.

http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/2011/01/get-rid-of-drunk-driving-laws-punish.html

Wrong it is up to the ignorant bigots to stop their behavior or be demoted, period. The rules of the game have change. The behavior is the ignorant people must change or face the consequences

By the way how many upper middle class or wealthy people do you know who who allow their children who have a 3.75 or higher GPA from a top tier school enlist in the military?

The poor and working class fight the wars. The wealthy plan them. Their kids do not fight It has always been this way and always will.

AH AH AH AH AH !

armwood said:
The officer that produced this video should be demoted in rank! This is ignorant, bigoted homophobic speech. This is un-American. I guess we have to remember that the military is often an employer of last resort. They really scraped the bottom of the barrel with the trash that produced this video.

Derwood, the bottom of the barrel people are the ones who have been stuck with the Liberal victimhood system – in which they are unemployable by normal businesses.

Military people have proven time and time again to be of the highest caliber. What sucks is what your liberlaism does to people.

You are the one who is ignorant. Look up ignoranus. (http://www.unwords.com/unword/ignoranus.html)

armwood said:
Wrong it is up to the ignorant bigots to stop their behavior or be demoted, period. The rules of the game have change. The behavior is the ignorant people must change or face the consequences

By the way how many upper middle class or wealthy people do you know who who allow their children who have a 3.75 or higher GPA from a top tier school enlist in the military?

The poor and working class fight the wars. The wealthy plan them. Their kids do not fight It has always been this way and always will.

It’s because of our military and many other people that we have had more and more people who have kids with 3.75 GPA’s and have been able to go into civil employment. In other words, be have grown as a nation BECAUSE of the people you despise.

I put liberals at the bottom of the barrel because of what they have done to our culture.

(And to be clear, when I say “liberals”, I almost always mean the deep-down Modern Liberals/Progressives, not the Joe Democrat who votes that way for a few reasons. I mean the real idealogical ones who really do hate America.)

Wrong it is up to the ignorant bigots to stop their behavior or be demoted, period. The rules of the game have change.

armwood is rewriting the UCMJ on the fly, now? Look out Navy, here comes armwood!

AH AH AH AH AH!

armwood said:
Wrong it is up to the ignorant bigots to stop their behavior or be demoted, period. The rules of the game have change. The behavior is the ignorant people must change or face the consequences

By the way how many upper middle class or wealthy people do you know who who allow their children who have a 3.75 or higher GPA from a top tier school enlist in the military?

The poor and working class fight the wars. The wealthy plan them. Their kids do not fight It has always been this way and always will.

And because of people like you, we will never know what happened because you liberals turn every issue into a case of racism or homophobia AS A WAY to work at tearing down whatever the target is. You said it yourself: “The rules of the game have changed.”

What’s changing now is more people are catching on to you clowns. It’s taken 50 years because people wouldn’t dream of some Americans being so anti-American and anti-Western Civilization, but it;’s more obvious now.

Poor guy is itching to come clean.

Mediaite’s Glenn Davis writes:
“This will likely touch off a debate over political correctness.”

Surely you jest.

What might be the two sides to a debate about such a horrendous violation of Navy shipboard protocol and/or decency?

armwood said:
The officer that produced this video should be demoted in rank! This is ignorant, bigoted homophobic speech. This is un-American. I guess we have to remember that the military is often an employer of last resort. They really scraped the bottom of the barrel with the trash that produced this video.

Ignorant bigoted behavior? Are you serious? Get a clue, idiot, and next get a sense of freakin’ humor!

Not surprised at all that armwood loathes the military. He’s been indoctrinated you know.

Is that Glenn Close with the hat at the end of the video (10:28 into it)?

Fact: The comments made on this subject make it clear to why again in 2012 you know who has to go! The insane drink from the jug pulled from that shinny ass you know the Kool Aid jug with the big (D) on the side of it! Hey liberals let that hinny shine!

Fact: The new US military look and love it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SznqIUeclzI

Having been in the military, the great USN in fact, Capt Honors is the type of XO your happy to work for; with an XO who obviously loves his job, and has a “laid back” approach to everyday life aboard a deployed ship, even on “Movie Night”.

Kudos to Capt. Owen Honors.

I cursed in my previous post and apparently it may be censored or deleted. This is the message that appeared “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

I apologize for my potty mouth. Does this mean that the spammers with their malware/virus scam sites will FINALLY be deleted?? Lets hope so!

New PC Navy recruitment video. Sign Up Boys!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw

Come on and protect the Motherland!

Why is this a Mediaite story if not because of some personal agenda? This isn’t to say this is not a news story; it is. But where does the MEDIA angle come into it? Just because it was reported by a media outlet (like ANY news story would be) doesn’t make it a story ABOUT THE MEDIA.

“Wrong it is up to the ignorant bigots to stop their behavior or be demoted, period. The rules of the game have change. The behavior is the ignorant people must change or face the consequences”

—Demoted for what? Free speech? A joke? Do you think the military is some kind of politically correct institution where everyone likes everyone?

“By the way how many upper middle class or wealthy people do you know who who allow their children who have a 3.75 or higher GPA from a top tier school enlist in the military?”

—Well, Pat Tilman did, he gave up a lucrative football career. Besides, there are plenty of rich patriots who’d rather go to West Point than Harvard, the military attracts all kinds of people, the problem with liberals like you is that you can’t stand free choice, so if “too many blacks” join the military then you want to draft whites. Funny, I remember a time when blacks were segregated in the military and didn’t have a chance to succeed, yet now that the military attracts plenty of blacks that’s supposed to be a bad thing, because instead of supporting free choice you think they’re all a bunch of dumb n-word that don’t have a better choice.

“The poor and working class fight the wars. The wealthy plan them. Their kids do not fight It has always been this way and always will.”

—-I didn’t know Barbara Streissand, Michael Moore and Bill Gates were planning our wars. I thought it was the President and other politicians. Besides, they’re not “kids,” an 18 year old soldier is not a kid, he is a legal adult, so give me a break.

SmartAlec said:
Not surprised at all that armwood loathes the military. He’s been indoctrinated you know.

Indoctrinated by two parents who served as officers defending America during World War II at a time that they could not enjoy the freedoms that they were fighting for in their own country!

armwood said:
This is un-American. … They really scraped the bottom of the barrel with the trash that produced this video.

Try again. The real “the bottom of the barrel” includes people like Nidal Hasan and Bradley Manning. Two prime examples of how allowing the Left to impose their sanctimonious PC rules on the U.S. military has been disastrous.

armwood said:
Indoctrinated by two parents who served as officers defending America during World War II at a time that they could not enjoy the freedoms that they were fighting for in their own country!

So what happened? Where did you go wrong?

Capt. Owen Honors, the commanding officer of the USS Enterprise

I’ve always preferred Capt. Picard.

Fact: Again as in every aspect in life the liberal needs and expects to be coddled! What kind of life can be had without the whine for entitlements!

I’ve been in the military now for 21 years and I can tell you this has nothing to do with political correctness as far as the military is concerned. This is an issue of order and discipline.

The XO and other officers and senior non-commissioned officers serving aboard that carrier are responsible for maintaining discipline and order. Part of that discipline also includes handling complaints of sexual harrassment in a professional matter, whether it be through counseling, proffering charges, or the like.

By participating in a video like this, the officers and senior non-coms have hurt their credibility in these matters. If a male or female sailor was considering alleging a hostile working environment due to sexual harrasment in their work area, they will be less likely to approach their chain of command to file a complaint, as a video such as this indicates those issues are not taken seriously or are considered part of the carrier’s (or Navy’s) culture.

I get that the XO and the other participants in this video are trying to use humor to bolster morale during a time of war. But there are many ways to do so without resorting to unprofessional behavior.

C’mon people, this is a sick joke made for people out to sea where raunch is no big deal.

These sailors are bored and need a few laughs. Don’t blow this up to some idealogical cause and persecute the captain for imagined slights against any group.

Foozer said:
I’ve been in the military now for 21 years and I can tell you this has nothing to do with political correctness as far as the military is concerned. This is an issue of order and discipline.

The XO and other officers and senior non-commissioned officers serving aboard that carrier are responsible for maintaining discipline and order. Part of that discipline also includes handling complaints of sexual harrassment in a professional matter, whether it be through counseling, proffering charges, or the like.

By participating in a video like this, the officers and senior non-coms have hurt their credibility in these matters. If a male or female sailor was considering alleging a hostile working environment due to sexual harrasment in their work area, they will be less likely to approach their chain of command to file a complaint, as a video such as this indicates those issues are not taken seriously or are considered part of the carrier’s (or Navy’s) culture.

I get that the XO and the other participants in this video are trying to use humor to bolster morale during a time of war. But there are many ways to do so without resorting to unprofessional behavior.

Thanks for serving. I think there are two issues here: 1) what you describe (which is correct) and 2) the MOTIVATIONS of the people pushing this story.

The latter is about the left wing imperative and system of working to undermine the military. And because of this, the real discussions that help improve our military are masked and distorted.

As a rule (and as you say), the senior officers need to be above this behavior. We have to push that the left-wing bs be dealt with outside the military.

Alz said:
So what happened? Where did you go wrong?

I did not go wrong. I have the capability to think critically and I am not coward by the conventional wisdom. Some people need the security of fitting in. They need conformity. Thank God a grew up in New York City, a mecca for intelligent people who value diversity and value challenging the values and mores held sacred by many people in society. There is an old expression my father used to use, “a million Frenchman does not make it right”. No disparagement to the French, a culture which has often been more enlightened than our own.

Ed Lascar said:
Funny how the judgments goes, invariably, to condemn this pranks or sketchs as homophobics. Couldn’t be he is just self-deprecating or laughing together of some situation gays goes through? This witchcraft persecution style of homophobic it’s getting old and tiresome. I’m gay, btw. Abs.

Actually, the title of this article is Navophobic. The senior officer on a US Navy ship is referred to as the Captain. Only someone who hates US Navy Captains would refer to them as commanders. Therefore this article is hate speech!

Foozer said:
I’ve been in the military now for 21 years and I can tell you this has nothing to do with political correctness as far as the military is concerned. This is an issue of order and discipline.

Point taken. In the private sector, Capt. Honors would be verbally counseled regarding his unprofessional behavior. Is there (or should there be) a different standard in the military?

Judge Mental said:
Point taken. In the private sector, Capt. Honors would be verbally counseled regarding his unprofessional behavior. Is there (or should there be) a different standard in the military?

Thank you very much for cutting through some of the trash talk here.

Jesus H. F*ck a Duck.
I served just 4 years in the US Navy, two carriers,
and loved every minute of it.
You Gays didn’t like DADT.
You can now be open
with your gayness!
Swish you asses around all you want.
OK you asked for it, you got it.
But I am going to suggest
you grow a hell of a lot thicker skin and develop one hell of a sense of humor.
It is going to be a constant problem, because some little toe dancer got
his wittle feelings hurt because someone was joking around.
Be thankful you have men like Capt. Honors in command!!
They were JOKING for Gods Sake!!!!!
I’ll take high morale for 99% over the 1% that might get his wittle feelings hurt!
BTW. We all knew who the Gay’s were 20 years ago. It was no big deal.
And some even joked around about it themselves!
Sheesh!!

I am a gay combat vet, watched the video and see nothing homophobic about this in the least. People who haven’t been in the military, specifically being deployed, have no idea in the least of the camaraderie and hi-jinx that goes on to release tensions and boredom. If anyone noticed, besides the slur, they also had a guy waking up with another guy in his bed and other gay themed skits that weren’t derogatory. Get over yourselves, this was made for pure fun and to entertain the troops on the ship. Get over yourselves and stop taking everything so seriously, just as these guys don’t take everything so seriously during their down time. I swear, political correctness to the level this country is taking it will destroy us.

1progressive said:
Having been in the military, the great USN in fact, Capt Honors is the type of XO your happy to work for; with an XO who obviously loves his job, and has a “laid back” approach to everyday life aboard a deployed ship, even on “Movie Night”. Kudos to Capt. Owen Honors.

You were in the Navy and you call the Captain an XO? Care to explain?

armwood said:
XO

Please explain how they were officers but were not able to enjoy the freedoms they defended.

It was filmed when he was the XO. Read the article!
Spliiting hairs I guess!
I seldom make mistakes!
:>)

RichS said:
You were in the Navy and you call the Captain an XO? Care to explain?

he is the captain of the ship now, the video was made when he was the XO of the same ship

armwood said:
Thank you very much for cutting through some of the trash talk here.

I must be off my game today. My point was that some people (including you) seem to be making this out to be much worse than it is. I strongly disagree with your assertion that Honors should be demoted because of this. Judged by standards in the civilian world, a verbal counseling would perhaps be in order — after a thorough investigation, of course. Hence, my question about having a different standard in the military. I tend to think there should be a different standard. And not one that is more strict.

RichS said:
Please explain how they were officers but were not able to enjoy the freedoms they defended.

Duh! Are you playing ignorant and just plain ignorant? Did you ever hear of segregation? My father used to tell a story before he was deployed to North Africa he was leading a group of white soldier from Fort Dix N.J. to Georgia. As they entered the south the cars became segregated and the train officials told him he had to go to the colored car. The white soldiers under his command refused to let him leave b y himself and went into the colored car with him. My father was very proud of these patriots. A lot of people are unaware that black officers commanded white officers in limited situations before the Army was officially desegregated.

My mother, an army officer, a dietician was refused entry to department stores in Washington D.C. while she was an Army WAC.

This is why many of my generation felt that it was morally wrong to fight the War In Vietnam against a so called enemy who had done nothing to harm us and who were fighting the same enemy we were fighting at home in America,

Frankg3400 said:
I am a gay combat vet, watched the video and see nothing homophobic about this in the least. People who haven’t been in the military, specifically being deployed, have no idea in the least of the camaraderie and hi-jinx that goes on to release tensions and boredom. If anyone noticed, besides the slur, they also had a guy waking up with another guy in his bed and other gay themed skits that weren’t derogatory. Get over yourselves, this was made for pure fun and to entertain the troops on the ship. Get over yourselves and stop taking everything so seriously, just as these guys don’t take everything so seriously during their down time. I swear, political correctness to the level this country is taking it will destroy us.

Yup. People who have no earthly idea what being in the military, and especially the Navy, is like are now the self appointed arbiters of proper behavior in that culture they’re completely ignorant of. (That would be you, armwood.)

Excellent post, and thank you for your service.

armwood said:
Duh! Are you playing ignorant and just plain ignorant? Did you ever hear of segregation? My father used to tell a story before he was deployed to North Africa he was leading a group of white soldier from Fort Dix N.J. to Georgia. As they entered the south the cars became segregated and the train officials told him he had to go to the colored car. The white soldiers under his command refused to let him leave b y himself and went into the colored car with him. My father was very proud of these patriots. A lot of people are unaware that black officers commanded white officers in limited situations before the Army was officially desegregated.

My mother, an army officer, a dietician was refused entry to department stores in Washington D.C. while she was an Army WAC.

Uh, if the freedom didn’t exist, they weren’t defending it. I hate to smash your worldview, but you’re describing an impossibility. If they were fighting for a segregated country, they weren’t defending desegregation, they were defending a segregated country.

armwood said:
No disparagement to the French, a culture which has often been more enlightened than our own.

Yeah, just compare our Revolutions. They totally outdid us with the guillotine. How did we not think of that first?

Pablo said:
Uh, if the freedom didn’t exist, they weren’t defending it. I hate to smash your worldview, but you’re describing an impossibility. If they were fighting for a segregated country, they weren’t defending desegregation, they were defending a segregated country.

Pablo, you are not the brightest light in the firmament we all know but to make it simple so you might be able to understand it the problem was that there was a contradiction between American law and the legal practices of the state. It took the Supreme Court in 1954, federal troops in 1956 and1963 to enforce rights that were enshrined in the constitution in 1865 and 1870 with the 13th 14th and 15th Amendment. They were defending freedoms that they were guaranteed under the constitution but which the states denied by de Juri segregation in the South and were often denied by tradition through de facto segregation in the North.

Were they fighting for abortion on demand too, armwood?

Pablo, you are not the brightest light in the firmament we all know but to make it simple so you might be able to understand it the problem was that there was a contradiction between American law and the legal practices of the state. It took the Supreme Court in 1954, federal troops in 1956 and1963 to enforce rights that were enshrined in the constitution in 1865 and 1870 with the 13th 14th and 15th Amendment.

So, Plessy v. Ferguson never happened in your world? Interesting. That way, things that were declared Constitutional and were the law of the land still didn’t really exist because that time the SCOTUS said that’s the way it is gets eliminated. Is that some sort of education eraser they used on you, Einsteinwood?

Pablo said:
Were they fighting for abortion on demand too, armwood?

So, Plessy v. Ferguson never happened in your world? Interesting. That way, things that were declared Constitutional and were the law of the land still didn’t really exist because that time the SCOTUS said that’s the way it is gets eliminated. Is that some sort of education eraser they used on you, Einsteinwood?

Obviously. I posted information regarding Plessy v. Ferguson to one of your earlier posts a few weeks ago. Unlike you my family lived through this period of American history. Between the end of civil war and the 1876 their was a period of true democracy in the south. This period began to end after the disputed Tilden Hayes election of 1876. In the ensuing twenty years Jim Crow laws were put in place. Plessy v. Ferguson only gave legal cover to what was already going on. My great grandfather refused to ride on the street cars in Tampa, Florida after segregation put in place in that city. Mt grandfather and great aunt were well known as fighters against Jim Crow and human rights violations. My great aunt today is celebrated in Tampa as a pioneer in fighting segregation and other American human rights violations in the south.

Plessy v. Ferguson was in direct contradiction with the 13th, 14th and 25 th Amendment. You should read Judge Taney’s infamous decision. It was wrongly decided. It was a political decision. What you fail to understand is that the Plessy v. Ferguson decision applied to Jim Crow laws in the South, not the whole nation. It was a Louisiana case which specifically contradicted the express language and legislative intent of the 14th amendment due process clause “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

The history of the Supreme Court was tarnished by first the Dred Scott decision and then by Plessy.

I could not understand Pablo what you were saying with this “the law of the land still didn’t really exist because that time the SCOTUS said that’s the way it is gets eliminated.” I assume that there is a typo here. Please clarify.

Alz said:
If he was gay and made movies that made fun of straight people, he’d be up for getting an Oscar.

POOOOOR YOUUUU. Must be so hard being a straight fat white guy.

The keen 1950asmilitary mentality.

Heyyyy nut bags, it’s the military…hooraaaa

armwood said:
Unlike you my family lived through this period of American history.

Sure, And unlike you, my family lived through that period of American history.

armwood said:
Plessy v. Ferguson only gave legal cover to what was already going on.

Plessy v. Ferguson held that segregation was Constitutional, making it the law of the land. So, when you say this:

Pablo, you are not the brightest light in the firmament we all know but to make it simple so you might be able to understand it the problem was that there was a contradiction between American law and the legal practices of the state.

…you’re wrong. There was no contradiction. Segregation was legal and Constitutional in America until Brown v. Board of Education and the Civil Rights Act. That’s just a fact.

Pablo said:
Yeah, just compare our Revolutions. They totally outdid us with the guillotine. How did we not think of that first?

The American revolutionaires just had maintained an even more barbaric chattel slave system.

Foozer said:
I’ve been in the military now for 21 years and I can tell you this has nothing to do with political correctness as far as the military is concerned. This is an issue of order and discipline.

Excellent post.

One of my dear friends and former occasional drinking buddies is a 75 year old former Top Gun instructor. So I know how they think. Their misogyny is quite embarrassing at times.

It is no coincidence that this XO is a former fighter pilot.

There’s a mindset that doesn’t serve the Navy well.

Remember John McCain’s sick attempt at humor?

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”

Remember the Tailhook scandal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailhook_scandal.

Michael_T said:
Excellent post.

One of my dear friends and former occasional drinking buddies is a 75 year old former Top Gun instructor. So I know how they think. Their misogyny is quite embarrassing at times.

It is no coincidence that this XO is a former fighter pilot.

There’s a mindset that doesn’t serve the Navy well.

Remember John McCain’s sick attempt at humor?

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”

Remember the Tailhook scandal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailhook_scandal.

Great posts, it seems to take a change on the law to change the culture. Those of us who are grey haired and old witnessed the change in attitudes that forced integration had on attitudes of people over time. After a while it forces people to change. The culture has to change. America has an incredible ability to adopt and change. I really believe it is our greatest strength. The military has dealt successfully with race and been a model for the country. I am sured they will effectively change the attitude of soldiers over the next 20 or so years.

Michael_T said:
It is no coincidence that this XO is a former fighter pilot.

There’s a mindset that doesn’t serve the Navy well.

Yeah! Let’s get rid of Navy fighter pilots! They’re arrogant and crude! Away with them!

I am gay, I am also a military brat from a family of military life-timers. I love my country and would be willing to give my life for it if need be.

I don’t see this as anything but ignorant on the part of a commanding officer. He should be dishonorably discharged for conduct unbecoming an officer. Each person in the video should also either be demoted or dishonorably discharged unless it can be proven the commanding officer ordered them to be in the video.

People worry about gay’s in the military but when you have ignorant, bigoted, individuals such as this commander, I think there are far more serious problems than gays admitting that they are gay.

There is also the fact that all this crap was filmed with the American flag in several shots…how embarrassing to be connected as an American to this kind of trash.

This video shows other countries how crude american servicemen and women are portrayed just from this one set of idiots. Exactly when did they have the time to do this? On the taxpayers dollars?????

Under Republican administrations, the military is evaluated by its preparedness, courage and success in battle.

Under Democrat administrations, the military is evaluated by its political correctness.

I trust voters to decide which approach is better for or nation.

dlupton said:
I am gay, I am also a military brat from a family of military life-timers. I love my country and would be willing to give my life for it if need be.

I don’t see this as anything but ignorant on the part of a commanding officer. He should be dishonorably discharged for conduct unbecoming an officer. Each person in the video should also either be demoted or dishonorably discharged unless it can be proven the commanding officer ordered them to be in the video.

People worry about gay’s in the military but when you have ignorant, bigoted, individuals such as this commander, I think there are far more serious problems than gays admitting that they are gay.

There is also the fact that all this crap was filmed with the American flag in several shots…how embarrassing to be connected as an American to this kind of trash.

This video shows other countries how crude american servicemen and women are portrayed just from this one set of idiots. Exactly when did they have the time to do this? On the taxpayers dollars?????

So well said! Thank you both for your service and your sense of moral values!

felixw said:
Under Republican administrations, the military is evaluated by its preparedness, courage and success in battle.

Under Democrat administrations, the military is evaluated by its political correctness.

I trust voters to decide which approach is better for or nation.

And where is the factual basis for your spurious claim? Oh, it came to you out of the air and it sounded good so you declared it as fact.

The most successful military American mission since World War II was the Bosnia mission undertaken by President Clinton.

http://www.history.army.mil/brochures/Bosnia-Herzegovina/Bosnia-Herzegovina.htm

armwood said:
Thank you very much for cutting through some of the trash talk here.

You mean like this

armwood said:
The officer that produced this video should be demoted in rank! This is ignorant, bigoted homophobic speech. This is un-American. I guess we have to remember that the military is often an employer of last resort. They really scraped the bottom of the barrel with the trash that produced this video.

And this

armwood said:
By the way how many upper middle class or wealthy people do you know who who allow their children who have a 3.75 or higher GPA from a top tier school enlist in the military?

And…

armwood said:
Pablo, you are not the brightest light in the firmament we all know but to make it simple so you might be able to understand it

Pot. Kettle.

armwood said:
Those of us who are grey haired

Armpit-
You forgot to say nearly bald as well. You can’t have too many gray hairs.

Now, commence attacking me for making fun of your appearance and name. You’re right…I have nothing to contribute. But at least I can spell, punctuate, and use correct grammar.

Behold the fruit of repealing DADT.
The timing of this story isn’t a coincidence.
The destruction of our military “progresses” just as I said it would. The loud, gay activist minority has more scalps to collect.

I am not sure which I find more disturbing, the story or the fact that most of the comments here do not see that the actions of a man who is second in command of America’s flagship aircraft carrier is wholly inappropriate to his station. As a recently retired (26 years) member of the special forces (USAF Pararescue), I am no stranger to raunchy humor among men in combat – it is not unusual. What I can say is that in 26 years I never saw or heard a command-rank officer legitimizing this kind of behavior, especially in broadcast! And, more importantly, I am appalled that most of the comments here don’t have a problem with it. Talk about your really creepy, Lord of The Flies moment. As I close, trying to be as objective as possible, with as much understanding of the situation and the pressures of deployment, I say that I am concerned about our collective conscience if we do not see the inappropriateness of these behaviors for a commander of troops and seamen. Very sad on so may levels.

let it go

Scott said:
I am not sure which I find more disturbing, the story or the fact that most of the comments here do not see that the actions of a man who is second in command of America’s flagship aircraft carrier is wholly inappropriate to his station. As a recently retired (26 years) member of the special forces (USAF Pararescue), I am no stranger to raunchy humor among men in combat – it is not unusual. What I can say is that in 26 years I never saw or heard a command-rank officer legitimizing this kind of behavior, especially in broadcast! And, more importantly, I am appalled that most of the comments here don’t have a problem with it. Talk about your really creepy, Lord of The Flies moment. As I close, trying to be as objective as possible, with as much understanding of the situation and the pressures of deployment, I say that I am concerned about our collective conscience if we do not see the inappropriateness of these behaviors for a commander of troops and seamen. Very sad on so may levels.

Thank you for your service and your well articulated comments.

the story or the fact that most of the comments here do not see that the actions of a man who is second in command of America’s flagship aircraft carrier is wholly inappropriate to his station. As a recently retired (26 years) member of the special forces (USAF Pararescue), I am no stranger to raunchy humor among men in combat – it is not unusual. What I can say is that in 26 years I never saw or heard a command-rank officer legitimizing this kind of behavior, especially in broadcast! And, more importantly, I am appalled that most of the comments here don’t have a problem with it. Talk about your really creepy, Lord of The Flies moment. As I close, trying to be as objective as possible, with as much understanding of the situation and the pressures of deployment, I say that I am concerned about our collective conscience if we do not see the inappropriateness of these behaviors for a commander of troops and seamen. Very sad on so may levels.

And yet this never once ever was able to be posted…

Only now, amidst the briny…

what?

it was crude humor, yes, but the military is like that. But as a officer, and Xo of the ship, this incident does not command respect, a reprimand (official) will pretty much end his military career

Navy Aircraft Carrier Commander Produced Raunchy Homophobic Videos For “Movie Night”

old stuff but new stuff to be explained.

cjd ohio 1 said:
a reprimand (official) will pretty much end his military career

Bottom line

It was wrong and never should ave been done.

These boys just need to learn how to be polite and quiet when they do heirr job.

Nobody notices how the ones with the most homophobic talk are the ones tapping their shoes between bathroom stalls??? I bet the Navy officer is more gay then all of San Francisco put together… what’s the title for that type of person again? Oh right… a closet homosexual. This is just my opinion but I’d be the first one to NOT be caught in a stall next to his in a men’s bathroom.

Pablo said:
Michael_T said:
It is no coincidence that this XO is a former fighter pilot.
There’s a mindset that doesn’t serve the Navy well.
Yeah! Let’s get rid of Navy fighter pilots! They’re arrogant and crude! Away with them!

The Navy said Sunday it will investigate “clearly inappropriate” videos broadcast to the crew of a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in which a top officer of the ship used gay slurs, mimicked masturbation and opened the shower curtain on women pretending to bathe together.

Bad acting, grainy cinematography, cheesy music–if it weren’t for the Captain’s tiny penis, I would swear it was gay porn.

lazzzlo said:
I am appalled that most of the comments here don’t have a problem with it

You see so many apologists for the captain’s behavior because there is a growing element of so-called conservatives who are in automatic defend the military and/or corporation mode just like the well-trained lapdogs always are. It simply proves that even without Rush Limbaugh weighing in on the topic to feed them their talking points (that will only enhance their “opinion” today), that fake conservatives have no problem falling lock step in with others of the same mindset without once deviating from the sacred lapdog bond. And they wonder why others say they can’t think for themselves. Even in issues that aren’t specifically political, they have to defend some of the most indefensible behavior no matter what. There is no moral compass with these lapdog types. And this is just further proof.

felixw said:
Under Republican administrations, the military is evaluated by its preparedness, courage and success in battle.

Really? Maybe if this XO actually spent more time fighting against Iraqis and Afghans instead of making videos then the Bush administration (when these videos were made) wouldn’t had such a dismal military showing in both countries. Seems, at least, some of their personnel were too distracted to do the job. Or maybe it’s because the job was underfunded and made little sense to begin with.

felixw said:
Under Democrat administrations, the military is evaluated by its political correctness.

AGAIN, these were made under the former administration. A military should be evaluated on many things. This is not the standard becoming our military and whenever you think it is, then your twisted chicken-hawk mentality is part of the problem.

felixw said:
I trust voters to decide which approach is better for or nation.

The American voters did decide. They decided in 2006 to kick the GOP out of power for losing the war in Iraq and losing the plot in Afghanistan. Again, you continue to demonstrably show that you don’t even have basic HISTORY to support your bogus theories. Some of us have memories longer than gnats. That’s why we don’t feel the need to defend the indefensible.

Navy Aircraft Carrier Commander good job and country help
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOFG6EU2IGXFRLTWV6VBGP2WBY

So who would you rather your Son, Daughter, Husband or Wife have as a Commanding
Officer, Capt. Honors or Barney Frank? Would you rather they have S/Sgt Salvatore Giunta
watching their back in Iraq or Afgahnistan or Perez Hilton?
End of story. Let this fine man continue his OUTSTANDING Career!

So who would you rather your Son, Daughter, Husband or Wife have as a Commanding
Officer, Capt. Honors or Barney Frank? Would you rather they have S/Sgt Salvatore Giunta
watching their back in Iraq or Afgahnistan or Perez Hilton?
End of story. Let this fine man continue his OUTSTANDING Career!

The choice you suggest between Honors and Frank is meaningless. I personally would choose neither. I want someone in command who sets a tone of leadership. What does that mean, you ask? That means someone who will become a model for behavior and conduct. It does not mean that the soldiers will not continue the humor or act out their prejudices. What it does mean is that when they look to the ranks above them, they see an individual who provides a corrective to behavior – behavior that adheres to a code of integrity, honor, and respect for all humans. The XO – or any leader for that matter – may harbor prejudices but a leader does not weigh in personally and reveal, or give the slightest hint of their personal opinion. Almost every officer I served with in the USAF Special Ops, as well as those SEAL, Ranger, and DF (including NCOs- I was a CMsgt at retirement) were exemplary in that role. By establishing an official position where it is ok to play off prejudices and make light of sexual innuendos, Honors has just opened a can of worms, because many of the younger troops will interpret the actions as official sanction for the acting out of their own prejudicial behaviors, even though that may not have been the intent of the XO. No excuses just because he is former pilot. You adopt the demeanor of your new status and position. A brilliant pilot Honors may be – and he should be respected for those skills, but his skills as an XO need work. I am sure he could be a great leader, but he needs a check up from the neck up first – and this incident may serve as a wake up call to that effect.

Ed Lascar said:
Funny how the judgments goes, invariably, to condemn this pranks or sketchs as homophobics.

Couldn’t be he is just self-deprecating or laughing together of some situation gays goes through?

This witchcraft persecution style of homophobic it’s getting old and tiresome.

I’m gay, btw.

Abs.

You know folks, most gay people do have a sense of humor. So do women. The jokes were all related to bing alone at see, not mean-spirited.

Probably NOT wrong said:
Capt. Honors or Barney Frank

Thanks for the false equivalencies. I sure as heck wouldn’t want someone as unfamiliar with naval rules and regulations as you. But thanks for defending the indefensible all the same.

No false equivalencies here Kimmy girl. I served only
four years in the US Navy! I am somewhat familar with Naval Rules
and Regulations, still, but if there is not a certain amount of
joking around and horseplay when the very fine men and women
serving our country are not firing their weapon you are crazy as hell.
BTW I enjoyed my entire 4 year enlistment!
I pray this fine Naval Officers OUTSTANDING Career is not derailed
by this Political Correctness BS.

Anyone that has served in the military knows that things are said, and done, thatmay be taken offense to. As a Marine Gunny, i had standards to adhere to. My bearing was in check all the time, although i am light hearted and would like to show that i am a real prson. The Captains intentions, i am sure were just to show his people that he is real and not a cardboard cut out. I would be honored to have had a Captain that had the balls to show me he was human. And not try to put up a false wall, Granted is is much harder to keep control over your people once they realize you are not a hard core ass. Leadership is respect, and in alot of circumstances fear. The Captains career should not be derailed. He has great leadership potential, Unfortunately in his position he has to know just where the limit is. It is no secret that gays do exsist inthe military, they have, and will continue to do so, just as there are perverts, alcoholics, drug users,spousal abusers, It is all in how we deal with them. There is nothing new about anything that has been said on the videos. It is just that some sad sack has decided to make waves, and wants to cause crap thinking they are going to change something that has embedded itself into our armed services. There are going to be homos, women, panty waste guys that will be upset at things, i say suck it up and get over it. If you dont like the way it is move on, turn off the video, ignore it. I have seen things, and heard things while serving in the Corps. And never did i feel the need to whine to the command who have such bigger things to worry about that petty bull. Has the ship not completing any of its assigned tasks? is there an unusual rate of suicide, AWOL, Fights, Hazing? Get over it, give the Captin his slap on the wrist to make Congress happy, and let him get back to Running his ship. Semper Fi Captain Honors

For Commander Honors to spend this much time thinking all this up proves one thing to me: Honors is a closet homosexual. He puts down what he himself craves, and therefore makes fun of it in order to publicly get close to the topic. It’s the only way he can express himself publicly about what he really desires while saving face to an audience he mistakingly feels would hate him if he opened up and admitted he was gay. This satisfies to some small degree, perhaps the only way he can, a feeling of who he really is. Perhaps Commander Honors is in denial. Any heterosexual man would not have spent this much time on it, but have naturally avoided the topic. I’m a gay man, and my gaydar is kicked in big time with this dude. Just come on out of the closet Commander Honors. You’re a cute guy, and will get all the attention you need and crave once you admit you are a homosexual. If you’re married, quit abusing your wife and children with a lie. You should make up your mind, one way or the other and be who you really are!

Probably NOT wrong said:
So who would you rather your Son, Daughter, Husband or Wife have as a Commanding
Officer, Capt. Honors or Barney Frank? Would you rather they have S/Sgt Salvatore Giunta
watching their back in Iraq or Afgahnistan or Perez Hilton?
End of story. Let this fine man continue his OUTSTANDING Career!

I would want Lt Dan Choi covering my back. I don’t make any jokes. I am an old, straight, married man.

http://www.ltdanchoi.com/

I watched the video with an open mind (Note: I am retired Marine with many years aboard various ships) …

I saw it as “pretty standard, and pretty good old-fashioned” Navy humor for sailors aboard ship. I saw no harm per se and I hope none was intended or inflicted … It was well-produced and funny. Racey, yes it was, but humor is sometimes racey.

Now it has hit the public’s eyes, so it’s a big deal. The Navy will slap the Skipper to show the public that sailors and others are “saints,” I guess?

Chew his ass out, then leave him alone…. I saw no harm…

— Dan Francis (1st Lt., USMC (Ret.) – Watertown, NY

I see several problems with this blog. First, we all have to see that the media has edited the video to make it look as bad as it could be. I have no doubt that some of the things were questionable but not as bad as it has been laid out. Second, this might offend most of you but who cares, if you have not served in the military you should not be able to say how the military should be run or when its people should be “demoted”. How would you like anyone to come to your place of work and try to change what they know nothing of? The gunny had it right, Capt Honors is going to have a hard time with his people knowing how lax he is, that is something he will have to deal with, not us. Morale is what he was trying to boost and it was all taken out of context. If you have ever been on a week long vacation or cruise then you know that by the end of the week you are ready to come home. Now imagine being out there for six plus months and not for fun. You would appreciate some humor on movie night too!

BTW, one quote I am tired of hearing is “tax payers money”. Please understand that military members also pay tax, surprise.

Crazy Tex said:
I see several problems with this blog. First, we all have to see that the media has edited the video to make it look as bad as it could be. I have no doubt that some of the things were questionable but not as bad as it has been laid out. Second, this might offend most of you but who cares, if you have not served in the military you should not be able to say how the military should be run or when its people should be “demoted”. How would you like anyone to come to your place of work and try to change what they know nothing of? The gunny had it right, Capt Honors is going to have a hard time with his people knowing how lax he is, that is something he will have to deal with, not us. Morale is what he was trying to boost and it was all taken out of context. If you have ever been on a week long vacation or cruise then you know that by the end of the week you are ready to come home. Now imagine being out there for six plus months and not for fun. You would appreciate some humor on movie night too!

Unfortunately you live in America, not some military dictatorship. Our constitution is based upon civilian control of the military. The military is an instrument of policy, not a policy making instrument. Thank God that our system was designed the way it was. The officers that made this video and condoned this homophobic bigotry should be stripped of their rank and demoted. I am sure this will happen. This is un-American behavior. This type of behavior violates the “unbecoming of an officer”. Some people do not have respect for the rule of law. The Uniform Code of Military Justice should be enforced and example made of these officers. This is America. This type of ignorant, illegal behavior must not be condoned or tolerated. This is simply an example of a breakdown in military discipline.

Crazy Tex said:
I see several problems with this blog. First, we all have to see that the media has edited the video to make it look as bad as it could be. I have no doubt that some of the things were questionable but not as bad as it has been laid out. Second, this might offend most of you but who cares, if you have not served in the military you should not be able to say how the military should be run or when its people should be “demoted”. How would you like anyone to come to your place of work and try to change what they know nothing of? The gunny had it right, Capt Honors is going to have a hard time with his people knowing how lax he is, that is something he will have to deal with, not us. Morale is what he was trying to boost and it was all taken out of context. If you have ever been on a week long vacation or cruise then you know that by the end of the week you are ready to come home. Now imagine being out there for six plus months and not for fun. You would appreciate some humor on movie night too!

In your mind openly expressing homophobia boosts your moral?

Armwood! The issue is not that the military is trying to dictate anything but you trying to dictate what the military does. You have the worst case of double standards and have been fooled by the propaganda of the media! What policy was the Capt. trying to make or how was he trying to dictate?! Please explain how this shows any kind of “homophobia” for the only PHOBIA is see here is you of the military! Would it make better if they were watching SNL or the movie Bruno? What I see in the video is the Capt accepting the fact the there has been gays in the military and always will be, with his humor in it.

You feel that you are better than those who serve in the military because you had a 3.75 GPA and went to college and that there are better countries than America. Yet you mention that the Capt behavior is Un-American, I ask that you take a look in the mirror. I will gladly buy you a one way ticket out of this country!

That last comment was soley for Armwood or any Anti-America folks!

So if you would like to know the truth, from someone who was there and is making no assumptions then read on. These clips were made for the eyes of the men and women who were living on this ship, while in the Middle East, where living conditions were miserable to say the least. I know for a fact, this man is not only a true American hero, but ran the USS Enterprise (a 50 year old ship) so well, that we won both the Battle “E”, and Battenberg Cup while he was our Executive Officer. For those of you who don’t know, these are the highest honors a ship can earn. YES the content is inappropriate for a living room in the US during prime time. On the days where we were miserable in the 125 degree heat and had to find something to laugh at, they were not only appropriate, but were highly regarded and we ALL looked forward to his slapstick antics. When off camera, he was a very professional, well presented LEADER! These videos not only humanized him to all of us, but it boosted the morale around the ship. We were all smart enough to know the skits were an act and were not the opinions of the XO. They were written for shock factor and to produce laughter. Would you really believe, in this age, that any offended people would have not had an avenue to express their disapproval? The person who leaked this government property to the media is probably going to miss the upcoming deployment as he/she will claim a “fear of reprisal”. This was likely the plan the whole time for this Sailor. If you don’t believe the crew of USS Enterprise really loved this Captain, then you are sadly mistaken!!! I will not brag of my military accomplishments to make myself credible, but will say I was there, I saw this in person, and it did not come across as offensive or inappropriate in the theatre and context in which it was viewed.

Crazy Tex said:
Armwood! The issue is not that the military is trying to dictate anything but you trying to dictate what the military does. You have the worst case of double standards and have been fooled by the propaganda of the media! What policy was the Capt. trying to make or how was he trying to dictate?! Please explain how this shows any kind of “homophobia” for the only PHOBIA is see here is you of the military! Would it make better if they were watching SNL or the movie Bruno? What I see in the video is the Capt accepting the fact the there has been gays in the military and always will be, with his humor in it.

If you do not see this as being homophobic I will not be able to explain it to you. Let’s just wait and see how the military brass handle. I have confidence that they will do the right thing.

I usually don’t play keyboard commando, but Mr. Armwood, your comments offend me. These videos do not. 3.75 GPA kids from top tier schools dont need a permission slip from their parents to enlist. Some are truly just Patriots. Did you know that Nuclear Powered Airports do require a few enlisted folks who can read, to operate safely? If you are trying to imply anything about the competence of my brothers and sisters, you may need to take a moment and think before you type.

Crazy Tex said:
You feel that you are better than those who serve in the military because you had a 3.75 GPA and went to college and that there are better countries than America. Yet you mention that the Capt behavior is Un-American, I ask that you take a look in the mirror. I will gladly buy you a one way ticket out of this country!

Both my parents served in World War II, my grandfather worked for the military in WWI . My great uncle served in the Spanish and American War. Other relatives for for the union in the civil war. How dare you, some johnny come lately think he knows more about being American than I do? Members of my family have made and been recognized officially from congress on down for making contributions to this country to make it a better place for people like you and me to enjoy. You do not know whereof you speak.

You swore and oath to the American people to respect the law which you obviously do not respect. That is a disgrace.

navychief2007 said:
I usually don’t play keyboard commando, but Mr. Armwood, your comments offend me. These videos do not. 3.75 GPA kids from top tier schools dont need a permission slip from their parents to enlist. Some are truly just Patriots. Did you know that Nuclear Powered Airports do require a few enlisted folks who can read, to operate safely? If you are trying to imply anything about the competence of my brothers and sisters, you may need to take a moment and think before you type.

You misinterpret my comment. I have never met a upper middle class parent with a child in a tier one school who encouraged their child to enlist in the military. My second closest high school friend graduated from West Point. Mos wealthy people do not allow their children to serve in the military. The fact is that the poor and working class fight wars. I am not belittling them, I am stating a fact. Among the people who get in there are some bad apples. Do you deny this? The guys that did this are an example of this bottom of the barrel behavior. They should have learned as children that this kind of behavior is unacceptable. It is against military law. Respect the law.

Crazy Tex said:
That last comment was soley for Armwood or any Anti-America folks!

You are the one who betrays the oath you swore to uphold. You do not support the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Let’s see who the military brass says is right are wrong. I believe their conduct violated the “Uniform Code of Military Justice” . You think it does not. Let’s see what happens. Other military people on this blog agree with me. Read the posts. I see that you ducked responding to their posts. Maybe because you know you are wrong and think I am an easy target. You miscalculated.

armwood said:
Both my parents served in World War II, my grandfather worked for the military in WWI . My great uncle served in the Spanish and American War. Other relatives for for the union in the civil war. How dare you, some johnny come lately think he knows more about being American than I do? Members of my family have made and been recognized officially from congress on down for making contributions to this country to make it a better place for people like you and me to enjoy. You do not know whereof you speak.

You swore and oath to the American people to respect the law which you obviously do not respect. That is a disgrace.

So because your FAMILY was in the military, it makes you more of an American than we? First of all, YOU were not in the military or have not shown that you were. Also, if being in or having relatives in the military makes you more American, than shouldn’t American’s look to be like this man? He served in the military as well. Doesn’t that make him MORE American than just being related to men that fought? Now I don’t condone his actions, but you seem to be arguing yourself and I would like to point that out. And if being more American WAS serving in the military, the military would be the Americans, but you clearly point out that they are not:

armwood said:
Unfortunately you live in America, not some military dictatorship. Our constitution is based upon civilian control of the military. The military is an instrument of policy, not a policy making instrument. Thank God that our system was designed the way it was. The officers that made this video and condoned this homophobic bigotry should be stripped of their rank and demoted. I am sure this will happen. This is un-American behavior. This type of behavior violates the “unbecoming of an officer”. Some people do not have respect for the rule of law. The Uniform Code of Military Justice should be enforced and example made of these officers. This is America. This type of ignorant, illegal behavior must not be condoned or tolerated. This is simply an example of a breakdown in military discipline.

Also, this was in jest. If you cannot take a joke, don’t listen. I walk by many people in my school that curse and joke and grope, but I just MIND MY OWN BUSINESS. That is what this man wanted people who would not laugh to do as evidenced by his other videos and mention that if you were easily hurt that you should just not watch.

Also, I realize that people are fighting this comment without providing any adequate examples:

armwood said:
Wrong it is up to the ignorant bigots to stop their behavior or be demoted, period. The rules of the game have change. The behavior is the ignorant people must change or face the consequences

By the way how many upper middle class or wealthy people do you know who who allow their children who have a 3.75 or higher GPA from a top tier school enlist in the military?

The poor and working class fight the wars. The wealthy plan them. Their kids do not fight It has always been this way and always will.

I would just like to say (for reference to this, my school’s GPA system is 4.0 for regular classes and 5.0 for a college course taken in the high school for obvious difficulty reasons) my friend has a 4.32 GPA (3.97 unweighted), is a national merit finalist, scored 5′s on all 4 of his AP tests, and comes from the upper class, yet he is attending Westpoint. He is a genius and is not even going to be old enough to go to college for the first 2 months without his parents’ approval, yet, again, he is going. It turns out that many military members are smart, but they just get so bored they do not know what to do, and this video is the result.

Counterpart said:
So because your FAMILY was in the military, it makes you more of an American than we? First of all, YOU were not in the military or have not shown that you were. Also, if being in or having relatives in the military makes you more American, than shouldn’t American’s look to be like this man? He served in the military as well. Doesn’t that make him MORE American than just being related to men that fought? Now I don’t condone his actions, but you seem to be arguing yourself and I would like to point that out. And if being more American WAS serving in the military, the military would be the Americans, but you clearly point out that they are not:

Also, this was in jest. If you cannot take a joke, don’t listen. I walk by many people in my school that curse and joke and grope, but I just MIND MY OWN BUSINESS. That is what this man wanted people who would not laugh to do as evidenced by his other videos and mention that if you were easily hurt that you should just not watch.

Also, I realize that people are fighting this comment without providing any adequate examples:

I would just like to say (for reference to this, my school’s GPA system is 4.0 for regular classes and 5.0 for a college course taken in the high school for obvious difficulty reasons) my friend has a 4.32 GPA (3.97 unweighted), is a national merit finalist, scored 5’s on all 4 of his AP tests, and comes from the upper class, yet he is attending Westpoint. He is a genius and is not even going to be old enough to go to college for the first 2 months without his parents’ approval, yet, again, he is going. It turns out that many military members are smart, but they just get so bored they do not know what to do, and this video is the result.

I was a national merit scholar.

armwood said:
I was a national merit scholar.

Does that make any difference? Of course not all national merit scholars join the military. Not even the majority, as we all know. That is interesting to note, however. Also, I never said that you did not seem like a smart person, but as this argument is mainly logos vs. pathos (and I side with logos in that it does not matter what a soldier does as long as the job is completed… and his job is to protect his country’s people from death), intelligence and emotion are both factors in a decision. You, obviously, attach a more pathetic (as in not apathetic) view on the subject. Neither can be said to be correct or incorrect, but, although I am religious, I tend to find myself using my prefrontal cortex more than my deep limbic system (and I believe those are the correct sections, but it has been a long time sense I have studied them, and starting an argument based upon that is arguing the syntax and not the point). It is still an interesting note, and you must know how special (sorta…) it is to receive this.

You choose me and made youself the easy target, I didn’t duck anyone. I will say one thing that will make you happy, the “brass” as you say will make an example of him, not because he was wrong but because of people like you. He would have been reprimanded for what he did but now the worst will happen to him. Yes your family is well qualified but it stopped at you. I think you wanted to follow in your family’s footsteps but were denied and now you will be against all things military. You continue to prove my point in all your responses to everyone. You like to play victim and see what you want, case in point- the majority of your posts have thumbs down. Yet a few thumbs up make you think everyone agrees with you. So again I don’t see what you do. The one posting of the NavyChief2007, you know the one that was actually there, agrees with me not you.

Armwood – quit your whining. The man will not be court-martialed, and does not deserve to be. Maybe you should read the posts on this page again. Most of the people recognize that this is a ship at sea where 9 months of brutal heat and separation from not only home but even from land is a heavy burden. (Of course, the other bonehead, Kim Barker, finds it criminal that they have time to create videos while on taxpayers dollars! Hey, Kim, I heard they actually SLEEP while out there! And eat! Call your Congress rep!) That history of segregation is sad but irrelevant. And so is the education level of the people. The fact is, the people who have served with this man understand it is a stress-buster. If you saw the same thing on SNL, you’d laugh. They needed the laugh! So all of you closet military-haters take your pitch forks and go home.

That having been said, only Foozer and Navchief got it right. It was inappropriate. It was not a major violation, as the press and Armwood and Barker and Scott would have us believe. But it did create an environment where some portion of the people that Honors is supposed to lead may feel demoralized. That’s not good. The Navy WILL deal with it – Honors will likely get a wrist slap and continue his tour. And hopefully, it won’t become the witch hunt that Tailhook was. Imagine the scenario Armwood wants: a nuclear-powered warship, with a crew of thousands, wins the Battle E, has high morale, loves their CO – but the ship’s CO is fired because his manner of motivating the crew ruffled the feathers of some politically correct whiners back in the states.

So Armwood – take a chill pill, will ya?

cromagnon said:
Armwood – quit your whining. The man will not be court-martialed, and does not deserve to be. Maybe you should read the posts on this page again. Most of the people recognize that this is a ship at sea where 9 months of brutal heat and separation from not only home but even from land is a heavy burden. (Of course, the other bonehead, Kim Barker, finds it criminal that they have time to create videos while on taxpayers dollars! Hey, Kim, I heard they actually SLEEP while out there! And eat! Call your Congress rep!) That history of segregation is sad but irrelevant. And so is the education level of the people. The fact is, the people who have served with this man understand it is a stress-buster. If you saw the same thing on SNL, you’d laugh. They needed the laugh! So all of you closet military-haters take your pitch forks and go home.

That having been said, only Foozer and Navchief got it right. It was inappropriate. It was not a major violation, as the press and Armwood and Barker and Scott would have us believe. But it did create an environment where some portion of the people that Honors is supposed to lead may feel demoralized. That’s not good. The Navy WILL deal with it – Honors will likely get a wrist slap and continue his tour. And hopefully, it won’t become the witch hunt that Tailhook was. Imagine the scenario Armwood wants: a nuclear-powered warship, with a crew of thousands, wins the Battle E, has high morale, loves their CO – but the ship’s CO is fired because his manner of motivating the crew ruffled the feathers of some politically correct whiners back in the states.

So Armwood – take a chill pill, will ya?

Duh! I said he will be removed from command. It is a done deal. It was a big deal. He engaged it conduct unbecoming of an officer. For some people bigotry is not a big deal. Practicing it while engaged in the military or on the job is a violation of federal law and in this case The Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Cromagnon, we are in the 21st Century. The rule of law applies to everyone, even ignorant Navy Aircraft Carrier commanders.

America has changed for the better. You cannot engage in that kind of illegal good old boy conduct anymore. Get on board. The train is leaving the station.

Definition of Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Armwood, the very word you use over and over describes non other than you. Double Standard! You continue to quote “conduct unbecoming an officer”, yet you nothing of it. If you consider yourself a gentleman and not Capt Honors then you will find yourself leading no one! I would follow Capt Honors 100 times before a person like you. You are no leader regardless of your eduacation, which you so gladly mention.

While there have been many people that have made valid points, I think the presenting issue has been completely ignored. When a person works for an organization, that person is seen as representing said organization. This is especially true when the person is at their place of employment. In this particular case, the person in question happens to work for the United States government, and yes this person is at their place of employment on a naval ship. Not only was this person working for the government, but they decided to nationally display their behavior while working for the United States. He is in fact representing the United States in these videos, and I as an American citizen, do not want a person that represents the United States using homophobic slurs, simulating masturbation or any other inappropriate actions. What this person does while in private the private of his own home is his own business, but the second he displays these behaviors publicly while representing the navy and the United States government it becomes a shameful representation of our country.

He did not display it. It was taken from a computer, without permission, and given to a newspaper. The person who took it, chose not to use the correct avenues to report the videos (four years later), but to publically start a media frenzy.

navychief2007 said:
The person who took it, chose not to use the correct avenues to report the videos (four years later), but to publically start a media frenzy.

I blame Julian Assange.

navychief2007 said:
These clips were made for the eyes of the men and women who were living on this ship,

Is that why so many on the ship complained about these videos. In fact, in the videos themselves, he mocks these “complaints”. Sorry tool, it’s not the OUTSIDERS who don;t get it. It;s the commanding officer who could care less that he’s ticking off many of his own underlings. You can justify it all you want but suggesting that he is making people “comfortable at sea” when he even admits in the video that many are not comfortable with these videos it simply willful ignorance on your part.

navychief2007 said:
but ran the USS Enterprise (a 50 year old ship) so well, that we won both the Battle “E”, and Battenberg Cup

Now if he could have only won the Iraq and Afghan war (you know the task he and his crew were assigned) instead of wasting time and energy making Beavis and Butthead videos for his crew, you can claim his “hero” status all you want. I didn’t know that you were a hero for winning races instead of winning wars. My how standards have fallen for those who claim to be conservative. No wonder you were perfectly pleased with the outcomes of Bush’s dismal foreign policies. It turns out that WINNING WARS was never the objective. Producing fine juvenile entertainment fodder is what we’re really supposed to be doing. And to that end, I agree, Captain Honors videos are way better than Osama Bin Laden’s videos. You must be so proud.

cromagnon said:
the other bonehead, Kim Barker, finds it criminal that they have time to create videos while on taxpayers dollars

You’re just mad that the Captain didn’t choose to put you in his gay pornos. Maybe you simply don’t MEASURE UP. No wonder you defend childish behavior.

A Kim Bo said:
You’re just mad that the Captain didn’t choose to put you in his gay pornos. Maybe you simply don’t MEASURE UP. No wonder you defend childish behavior.

While I am philosophically opposed to you on the argument, I agree with you here, but that has no baring on the correctness of this argument.

Counterpart said:
Does that make any difference? Of course not all national merit scholars join the military. Not even the majority, as we all know. That is interesting to note, however. Also, I never said that you did not seem like a smart person, but as this argument is mainly logos vs. pathos (and I side with logos in that it does not matter what a soldier does as long as the job is completed… and his job is to protect his country’s people from death), intelligence and emotion are both factors in a decision. You, obviously, attach a more pathetic (as in not apathetic) view on the subject. Neither can be said to be correct or incorrect, but, although I am religious, I tend to find myself using my prefrontal cortex more than my deep limbic system (and I believe those are the correct sections, but it has been a long time sense I have studied them, and starting an argument based upon that is arguing the syntax and not the point). It is still an interesting note, and you must know how special (sorta…) it is to receive this.

By trying to be word you are writing in an embarrassingly inarticulate manner. This is gibberish. I made a simple point that is pretty much self evident. The poor and working class fight the wars. If you dispute this fine. Bring it on!

Crazy Tex said:
Definition of Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Armwood, the very word you use over and over describes non other than you. Double Standard! You continue to quote “conduct unbecoming an officer”, yet you nothing of it. If you consider yourself a gentleman and not Capt Honors then you will find yourself leading no one! I would follow Capt Honors 100 times before a person like you. You are no leader regardless of your eduacation, which you so gladly mention.

I have been a leader, in many situations, for over thirty-five years. I don’t particularly like it. I find it frustrating when you cannot choose your own people and you end up having to lead narrow minded people. I like working with a team focused on a particular goal. I prefer leading by example. Line supervision is not my cup of tea.

Crazy Tex said:
Definition of Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Armwood, the very word you use over and over describes non other than you. Double Standard! You continue to quote “conduct unbecoming an officer”, yet you nothing of it. If you consider yourself a gentleman and not Capt Honors then you will find yourself leading no one! I would follow Capt Honors 100 times before a person like you. You are no leader regardless of your eduacation, which you so gladly mention.

Definition of a Crazy Tex – Someone who has been proven wrong in an argument by both facts and events, i.e the U.S. Military taking my position as opposed to his), and instead ob being a grownup and admitting he was wrong he tries to change the subject by personally insulting the person who proved him wrong. An inability to hold a civilized conversation with someone he disagrees with. A self evident insecurity around those with differing opinions.

armwood said:
By the way how many upper middle class or wealthy people do you know who who allow their children who have a 3.75 or higher GPA from a top tier school enlist in the military?
The poor and working class fight the wars. The wealthy plan them. Their kids do not fight It has always been this way and always will.

Here’s one. And I didn’t allow him, he volunteered freely. Just as the rest of the military has been for, oh these many years. You’re living in the past.

Penguin60 said:
Here’s one. And I didn’t allow him, he volunteered freely. Just as the rest of the military has been for, oh these many years. You’re living in the past.

That is good. I am glad to see that. My statement was a little over the top I admit. I was trying to hammer home the point that poor and working people fight the wars while wealthy people make the decisions. Reality is not as black and white as that. Many superb students from upper middle class and wealthy backgrounds seek admittance to the military academy. I had a close friend, from my prep school, who went to West Point.

What a shame our country spends so much time on nonsense. Repealing DADT as a priority during war time where we still have troops in ISLAMIC COUNTRIES THAT DON’T EXACTLY LIKE HOMOSEXUALS was lame brain politics.

armwood said:
That is good. I am glad to see that. My statement was a little over the top I admit. I was trying to hammer home the point that poor and working people fight the wars while wealthy people make the decisions. Reality is not as black and white as that. Many superb students from upper middle class and wealthy backgrounds seek admittance to the military academy. I had a close friend, from my prep school, who went to West Point.

There are also kids from lower incomes that have been admitted to Military Acadamies not to mention all the ROTC scholarships out there. I believe your statement was correct during the draft, as a majority of the upper/middle class were able to thwart the draft. One factor recently is the economy, there are many that turn to the military for employment also, and not just the poor.

Penguin60 said:
There are also kids from lower incomes that have been admitted to Military Acadamies not to mention all the ROTC scholarships out there. I believe your statement was correct during the draft, as a majority of the upper/middle class were able to thwart the draft. One factor recently is the economy, there are many that turn to the military for employment also, and not just the poor.

I totally agree with you. I am of that age group. College deferments were ended just before I became I became eligible for the draft. I participated in the draft lottery. I still remember of group of us getting out of class to check on our lottery numbers which had been just released. I was relieved to receive the number 328. I still remember it.

armwood said:
I totally agree with you. I am of that age group. College deferments were ended just before I became I became eligible for the draft. I participated in the draft lottery. I still remember of group of us getting out of class to check on our lottery numbers which had been just released. I was relieved to receive the number 328. I still remember it.

My partner had a deferment while in school, but went back to the draft board before his eligibilty would be up, 22yr I believe, they took him and off he went to VN. Some said he was crazy but he felt it was his obligation. In the long run the GI bill helped pay for Medical School.

By the way, for the most part we disagree politically but I did enjoy the Jazz link you posted on another thread. Thanks for that.

justatheist said:
Repealing DADT as a priority during war time where we still have troops in ISLAMIC COUNTRIES THAT DON’T EXACTLY LIKE HOMOSEXUALS was lame brain politics.

Except for nearly each and every one of the ally nations we are fighting with already have gay and lesbian troops. Those Muslim nations aren’t too keen on female soldiers either but we still have them. So you’re basically saying that, in order to fight a country, we have to stoop to their socio-political level. No wonder you’ve adapted by becoming a backwards homophobe. It’s part of your ploy to blend in with the enemy.

Penguin60 said:
By the way, for the most part we disagree politically but I did enjoy the Jazz link you posted on another thread. Thanks for that.

Thanks, I love that the arts unite people. Politics is politics but the arts, that is another for me. I love classical music as much as jazz.

How dare all of you. This man who is ordered to do the most perverse and horrible acts by his country and has done so with honor, is now open to scrutiny for this insignificant incident,by those who have no clue what it takes to do that job. Our military is not an experiment, it is a making of death. Unless you are with him and the rest of those fine people at the end of the day, when they have to reflect on what it is that they really do.,…SHUT UP!
This man and those with him, deal with the fact that the end result of their work is KILLING. The ship they are on does not say Princess Lines or Caribbean Cruises…it says U.S.S.. It’s sole purpose is to be an instrument of death. This man and his crew live with that fact every day and will do so for the rest of their lives. You who have not served in combat, to stand there and throw stones at this man is the true ignorance and perversity of this story. Unless you are on that ship under the same circumstances, you have no right to judge what he does for the sake, sanity and morale of his crew. Go back to drinking you Starbucks, and watching your reality shows, quit your job if you don’t like it, and feel free to judge him and them….it means nothing you have no honor, THEY DO! Fair Winds and Following Seas Shipmate, all the best to you Captain Honors!

mmmdjg2003 said:
How dare all of you. This man who is ordered to do the most perverse and horrible acts by his country and has done so with honor, is now open to scrutiny for this insignificant incident,by those who have no clue what it takes to do that job. Our military is not an experiment, it is a making of death. Unless you are with him and the rest of those fine people at the end of the day, when they have to reflect on what it is that they really do.,…SHUT UP!
This man and those with him, deal with the fact that the end result of their work is KILLING. The ship they are on does not say Princess Lines or Caribbean Cruises…it says U.S.S.. It’s sole purpose is to be an instrument of death. This man and his crew live with that fact every day and will do so for the rest of their lives. You who have not served in combat, to stand there and throw stones at this man is the true ignorance and perversity of this story. Unless you are on that ship under the same circumstances, you have no right to judge what he does for the sake, sanity and morale of his crew. Go back to drinking you Starbucks, and watching your reality shows, quit your job if you don’t like it, and feel free to judge him and them….it means nothing you have no honor, THEY DO! Fair Winds and Following Seas Shipmate, all the best to you Captain Honors!

Your response is emotional, not rational. It actually sounds a little unhinged. It clearly illustrates the wisdom of America having civilian control over the military. There has never been a representative republic with an open and free voting system where the military makes policy.

American civilians have a civic responsibility as well as a constitutional duty to monitor, give oversight and direction to the military.

“Unless you are on that ship under the same circumstances, you have no right to judge what he does for the sake, sanity and morale of his crew”

This reflects an incredibly un-American sentiment and misunderstanding of the American system. We are not an old fashioned banana republic. It is sad to hear someone who appears to be an American make such a un-American statement.

Thank God that our military brass respects the rule of law which provides for civilian control of the military.

Your response is so clearly one of someone who has never served his country. To judge while standing outside of something you cannot fathom, shows your ignorance in this matter. You have no idea what it takes to be a an American Fighting Man…or Woman or anyone who is willing to sacrifice everything for a belief. What this man and others do on that ship or on a combat field or wherever duty calls them is something you can never understand. What seems grotesque to you such as “Blue Nose”,”Sons of Poseidon”: “Tacking On” of jump wings, crows, chevrons, dolphins, and all of the other traditions/coustoms build something. It builds a coping mechanism for people who have no choice but to cope. (unlike you)
Please let me know if the scars from you CIB healed yet or if you hide your PH from your kids for some reason.
Let me know the last time you were scared at work, and knew that your “brother/sister” in the cube next to you
would give his life for you.
The “military brass” as you say, know perfectly well what goes on here and understand what it takes to be in his position, as most of them have been. Funny that no one on the ship, male, female, gay or superiors ever complained about this and I’m sure the other incidents. Only when someone who does not understand what is really going on here, does it become an issue.
As for my un- American statement, well my 3 purple hearts and 2 bronze stars give me …..(and you) the right to make them.

mmmdjg2003 said:
Your response is so clearly one of someone who has never served his country. To judge while standing outside of something you cannot fathom, shows your ignorance in this matter. You have no idea what it takes to be a an American Fighting Man…or Woman or anyone who is willing to sacrifice everything for a belief. What this man and others do on that ship or on a combat field or wherever duty calls them is something you can never understand. What seems grotesque to you such as “Blue Nose”,”Sons of Poseidon”: “Tacking On” of jump wings, crows, chevrons, dolphins, and all of the other traditions/coustoms build something. It builds a coping mechanism for people who have no choice but to cope. (unlike you)
Please let me know if the scars from you CIB healed yet or if you hide your PH from your kids for some reason.
Let me know the last time you were scared at work, and knew that your “brother/sister” in the cube next to you
would give his life for you.
The “military brass” as you say, know perfectly well what goes on here and understand what it takes to be in his position, as most of them have been. Funny that no one on the ship, male, female, gay or superiors ever complained about this and I’m sure the other incidents. Only when someone who does not understand what is really going on here, does it become an issue.
As for my un- American statement, well my 3 purple hearts and 2 bronze stars give me …..(and you) the right to make them.

I feel for your pain and suffering. Having served in the military however does not qualify you to make military policy. That is why in America the military is an instrument of policy not a policy making entity. You are making the same kind of fallacious arguments that were rejected by President Truman when he integrated the army. Like those arguments yours are just plain wrong.

Read below

DEFENSE STUDIES SERIES
INTEGRATION
OF THE ARMED FORCES
1940-1965
by
Morris J. MacGregor, Jr.

http://www.history.army.mil/books/integration/iaf-fm.htm

You will see all of your arguments mirrored in those who opposed racial integration.

armwood, you cannot copy and paste yourself into knowing what you’re talking about. This 4 year old incident, known before Honors’ 2 subsequent promotions, has ended this man’s career weeks before he was to lead a crew that loves him into battle aboard America’s Flagship, all because the PC hyenas have suddenly decided to take him down. The Navy did not just find out about this, and yet they promoted this excellent officer despite his lapse in discretion. This is how you decimate morale, and I know full well when I tell you that that you have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about.

If you want to shrink the military, this is a good way to start.

Pablo said:
armwood, you cannot copy and paste yourself into knowing what you’re talking about. This 4 year old incident, known before Honors’ 2 subsequent promotions, has ended this man’s career weeks before he was to lead a crew that loves him into battle aboard America’s Flagship, all because the PC hyenas have suddenly decided to take him down. The Navy did not just find out about this, and yet they promoted this excellent officer despite his lapse in discretion. This is how you decimate morale, and I know full well when I tell you that that you have absolutely no idea what I’m talking about.

If you want to shrink the military, this is a good way to start.

1) Pablo you started this discussion by making the patently false assertion that President Obama could have ended DADT with an executive order. I proved you wrong.

2) Then you claimed that I had the dates of Bill Clinton’s executive order and the congressional codification of DADT backwards. Once again I proved you wrong.

3) Instead of acknowledging your confusion and mistakes you then accused me of being gay, as if that was an insult to me. Obviously in your mind it is a bad thing. For me homophobia is a bad thing, not being gay.

4) I responded to your attack by pointing out that your homophobic attack was evidence of your own sexual identity insecurity.

5) finally having failed to succeed in upsetting me with your gay bashing and having embarrassed yourself with your inability to understand the history of DADT you don’t give up. You move on to saying that I do not know what I am talking about. You clearly know that this is not true. I have documented every point i have raised. You feebly tried to twist my documentation to support your position but the dates you were ascribing to events were clearly contradicted by the documents that I provided and you later cited.

We have been through this same game so many times before on this blog. Besides having identity issues you apparently are a masochist. It seems you enjoy public humiliation.

Pablo. I have only gone through these many discussions with you because I felt sorry for you. You have shown what I first thought was a sincere desire to learn and understand, but I am now coming to see that you have deeper issues. I cannot help you Pablo. I cannot waste my valuable time with someone so childish that they cannot even acknowledge when they either have their facts wrong or have misinterpreted information that is in the public record. I am not sure what your issues are. You obviously like the attention I am giving you but for me it is boring. I want to discussion issues with conservatives who have the integrity to research their facts in order that we have a basis for discussing actual policy differences. This requires at minimum a respect for facts and a level of personal confidence and critical thinking ability that allows a person to admit a mistake without feeling that they have lost face or fearing they are stupid. You have exhibited none of these characteristics.

My instincts tell me Pablo that you are a good guy with a good heart but I cannot waste my time with someone who is incredibly uniformed, lacks basic reading comprehension skills, and is unwilling to acknowledge their obvious mistakes. I have tried to work with you, hoping you would realize that I was really trying to communicate with you as a compassionate person. I have tried many approaches from friendliness to confrontation, to even belittling your obvious limitations. Nothing has worked or motivated you to simply engage in a discussion based in integrity.

As a result of these aforementioned occurrences from now on I will ignore your posts and responses to my posts until such time you demonstrate that you are willing to have a mature, adult discussion.

armwood said:
This reflects an incredibly un-American sentiment and misunderstanding of the American system. We are not an old fashioned banana republic. It is sad to hear someone who appears to be an American make such a un-American statement.

Wow, isn’t this what the left railed about the right? Perhaps mis-informed, opinionated(maybe retired Navy), but un-American? I don’t think so.

Penguin60 said:
Wow, isn’t this what the left railed about the right? Perhaps mis-informed, opinionated(maybe retired Navy), but un-American? I don’t think so.

General McCarthur made un-American statements when he publicly challenged President Truman over his refusal to attack China during the Korean War. McCarthur had been a WWII hero. There is a statue of him in Inchon, harbor in Korea where he led the landing forces that retook the nation after the North’s invasion.

However he was a hero who forgot his place as a soldier and broke one of the most fundamental principles of American military discipline. He violated the chain of command and the principle of civilian control over the military. He challenged his civilian commander in chief. As a result he was removed from his command. When you violate fundamental American values you engage in un-American conduct.

The right has sought to own the right to criticize Americans for un-American conduct. I do not think that they own that privilege. The right often rejects American values and the principles that lay at the very heart of our American political and cultural values. Expressing bigotry in the workplace and in the military violates both American law and our founding principles. Therefore this behavior can rightly be called un-American behavior.

armwood said:
I cannot waste my valuable time with someone so childish that they cannot even acknowledge when they either have their facts wrong or have misinterpreted information that is in the public record.

I guess it’s going to hurt when you finally have to up and leave yourself, armwood. I really like the one about the dates and how I just don’t understand that November 23, 1993 came after December 21, 1993.

You are a loon, armwood.

Armwood, in your mind the civilians are the dictators of the military, and service men and women have no right to what they defend. Such as “Freedom of speech”! You are quick to claim that the law was broken with what Capt Honors did, but it is okay with you on how the information was obtained. Theft! Yes that is right the individual was not given the video but stole it, hence breaking the law. That’s okay with you though.

BTW, the definition for bigot was straight from Websters dictionary (with your picture next to it) and your definition of Crazy Tex was your own. Please don’t waste my time with your made up nonsense.. Your are devoted only to your views/opinions and are extremely prejudice against the military (BIGOT). You will only lead people of which you chose, who have the same views as you. That sir is a dictator mind set, kind of like Hitler!

The brass never agreed with you until they were put on the spot. Capt Honors has been promoted and given a ship to command since these videos were made. Once someone stole private property and leaked it to the media along with blood thirsty bigots (you), the brass have no choice but to hang him out to dry. That is what you fail to see.

Armwood, Please answer me one question with a simple “Yes or No” not with a long, dodging rebuttal. Did you get this upset when the movie Bruno was made? You can definitely explain yourself but please start with YES or NO.

Crazy Tex said:
Armwood, in your mind the civilians are the dictators of the military, and service men and women have no right to what they defend. Such as “Freedom of speech”! You are quick to claim that the law was broken with what Capt Honors did, but it is okay with you on how the information was obtained. Theft! Yes that is right the individual was not given the video but stole it, hence breaking the law. That’s okay with you though.

BTW, the definition for bigot was straight from Websters dictionary (with your picture next to it) and your definition of Crazy Tex was your own. Please don’t waste my time with your made up nonsense.. Your are devoted only to your views/opinions and are extremely prejudice against the military (BIGOT). You will only lead people of which you chose, who have the same views as you. That sir is a dictator mind set, kind of like Hitler!

The brass never agreed with you until they were put on the spot. Capt Honors has been promoted and given a ship to command since these videos were made. Once someone stole private property and leaked it to the media along with blood thirsty bigots (you), the brass have no choice but to hang him out to dry. That is what you fail to see.

You have no respect for American law and disrespect the Uniform Code of Military Justice. I respect viewpoints other than mine or obviously I would not be on this blog. On the other hand I do not respect the type of ignorance, disrespect for discipline, law and order, and a lack of patriotism which you exhibit by condoning the type of behavior which the military, which you claim to support, says is unacceptable and illegal. You are standing inopposition to the very military that you claim to support. The hypocrisy in your position can’t escape even you.

There is a Bible verse that I think is appropriate for your time of hypocrisy. It;s in Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”

Crazy Tex said:
Armwood, Please answer me one question with a simple “Yes or No” not with a long, dodging rebuttal. Did you get this upset when the movie Bruno was made? You can definitely explain yourself but please start with YES or NO.

I never so the movie Bruno. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Crazy Tex said:
Armwood, Please answer me one question with a simple “Yes or No” not with a long, dodging rebuttal. Did you get this upset when the movie Bruno was made? You can definitely explain yourself but please start with YES or NO.

I see the movie was made in 2009. I was living and working overseas from 2007 until the Spring of 2010.

Crazy Tex said:
Armwood, Please answer me one question with a simple “Yes or No” not with a long, dodging rebuttal. Did you get this upset when the movie Bruno was made? You can definitely explain yourself but please start with YES or NO.

I just watched the You Tube clip here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b1Ot0W9e6M

If this is what you are talking about of what relevance does this have to the discussion. You can’t be claiming that just because someone acts like a fool and engages in illegal behavior that everyone in his status does the same? Are you condemning all gays because of this one man’s behavior? OK, you are from Texas? Let’s examine a hypothetical Your great, great grandfather was from Texas and supported the Confederacy during the civil war. Because he was a traitor does that make you a traitor? That would be ridiculous!

Everyone one his responsible for their own actions. Just because someone who is gay does something ridiculous does that indict all gay people. That idea is just plain dumb! You really need to get out, meet some people or even go to school and get an education. I cannot believe you thought you could show me an obviously disturbed gay man abusing a black child and just because I am black i would indict all gay people. I am amazed by your lack of lear, critical thinking. This one takes the cake. I see why you chose the name Crazy Tex.

Hey Mr. Armwood, you certainly have a strong name for such a weak man..how dare you use up all this space with your constant bickering on that video & how that Capt. should have been dismissed..what have you done with your life, from the looks of you, you packed on a few pounds & I’ll bet you used your homosexuality to stay out of the armed forces, whatever..you rattle on how this man insulted your “gayness”..well, good for him..he’s a man and he works with men who have to be brave and honorable..I think his “joking” was not really “insulting” look how many people are called “fat, stupid,lazy,ugly”..and, although you won’t admit it, homosexuality is aberrant behavior, no matter what you call it..since it hits all walks of life, mostly well educated, & usually those who will work with children & have many opportunities to “fall in love” with some shy, helpless little kid..the damage they have done & still do to these young minds is a total breakdown of our moral standards..look at the priests in MY religion..I truly believe that they are all gay..I’ll never trust a priest again..I know of a dear friend who sent her child to a school for “learning problems”, she was sexually molested for 2 yrs by a speech teacher who was well liked by everyone, is now retired with a family and is res pected in his community..he used these children as “sex toys” because they could not relate what was happening to them..this is the way they work..they get a position where kids depend on them and then they do their dirty work..completely ruining their lives..or..turning a young boy into a monster like them..this is deviant behavior..and I would never have my child sent to a school where she is not protected from these monsters..it is no different in the military..they first befriend someone, especially if he is weak (that’s their favorites, they are easy prey) then they gently massage their back..yeah, yeah, you know the rest..this entire situation is making me sick..I have a book on psychology from 1950, it goes extensively into how Homosexuality is a mental disease..I guess that’s the only book left..they probably burned the rest of them..I agree 100% with this captain..he wants to build morale and that’s one way of doing it to let the men know, he’s with them..hey, the laws are allowing deviates in our armed forces…nice! letting this man lose his job was a disgrace..it’s telling the country..”Hey, leave those misfits alone, they have their rights…right to pat you on the back & slide it down a little farther, right to undress in front of you & ogle your muscles..if you want to enlist homosexuals, have them separate from the “real” men, then they can take out their sexual frustrations on each other..& spread a little Aids while they’re at it!! God help our failing society, they punish the good guys and thank the bad ones~

Crazy Tex said:
Armwood, Please answer me one question with a simple “Yes or No” not with a long, dodging rebuttal. Did you get this upset when the movie Bruno was made? You can definitely explain yourself but please start with YES or NO.

As I said I knew nothing about this movie. This is obviously satirical documentary movie. So the answer to your original question is

NO! It does not upset me.

I want to see the movie. It seems very funny. This clip has me rolling laughing. Thank you Crazy Tex for turning me on to this. You might be wondering how this is different than what Honors engaged in? That would be a very good question. This is clearly a satire men to poke fun of homophobia and racial stereotypes. It clearly will offend a lot of people. It might even offend me if I saw the whole film. I tell you what though. I am going to check and see if its available on Netfiix today. Crazy Tex, we come from different regions of the country. I grew up in NYC and worked for years among musicians and professional dancers. Many if not most of the dancers were gay. They were born that way. They were people just like you and me who happened to be gay. Just like you would not be wanted to be judged as ignorant simply because you are a Southerner. Many Northerners view Southerners that way, that idea is ridiculous. Please stop judging people because they are gay.

Now I want to see Bruno.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKpltp0HOgc&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Helen Nordo said:
Hey Mr. Armwood, you certainly have a strong name for such a weak man..how dare you use up all this space with your constant bickering on that video & how that Capt. should have been dismissed..what have you done with your life, from the looks of you, you packed on a few pounds & I’ll bet you used your homosexuality to stay out of the armed forces, whatever..you rattle on how this man insulted your “gayness”..well, good for him..he’s a man and he works with men who have to be brave and honorable..I think his “joking” was not really “insulting” look how many people are called “fat, stupid,lazy,ugly”..and, although you won’t admit it, homosexuality is aberrant behavior, no matter what you call it..since it hits all walks of life, mostly well educated, & usually those who will work with children & have many opportunities to “fall in love” with some shy, helpless little kid..the damage they have done & still do to these young minds is a total breakdown of our moral standards..look at the priests in MY religion..I truly believe that they are all gay..I’ll never trust a priest again..I know of a dear friend who sent her child to a school for “learning problems”, she was sexually molested for 2 yrs by a speech teacher who was well liked by everyone, is now retired with a family and is res pected in his community..he used these children as “sex toys” because they could not relate what was happening to them..this is the way they work..they get a position where kids depend on them and then they do their dirty work..completely ruining their lives..or..turning a young boy into a monster like them..this is deviant behavior..and I would never have my child sent to a school where she is not protected from these monsters..it is no different in the military..they first befriend someone, especially if he is weak (that’s their favorites, they are easy prey) then they gently massage their back..yeah, yeah, you know the rest..this entire situation is making me sick..I have a book on psychology from 1950, it goes extensively into how Homosexuality is a mental disease..I guess that’s the only book left..they probably burned the rest of them..I agree 100% with this captain..he wants to build morale and that’s one way of doing it to let the men know, he’s with them..hey, the laws are allowing deviates in our armed forces…nice! letting this man lose his job was a disgrace..it’s telling the country..”Hey, leave those misfits alone, they have their rights…right to pat you on the back & slide it down a little farther, right to undress in front of you & ogle your muscles..if you want to enlist homosexuals, have them separate from the “real” men, then they can take out their sexual frustrations on each other..& spread a little Aids while they’re at it!! God help our failing society, they punish the good guys and thank the bad ones~

You have the nerve to say how dare you to me? Maybe you should take your head out of the sands of the past and move 61 years into the future and read want contemporary psychologists are saying about homosexuality. Human knowledge did not stop in 1950. You should not stop learning now. If you do not like what i post. Don’t read it. You are the one bickering, a word you don’t even seem to understand. I am making cogent, articulate fact based arguments against the bigotry of people like you who still think it is 1950. Guess what it is 2011. Grow up and wake up.

You speak about gay pedophiles but you conveniently forget to mention the vast majority of pedophiles who are straight. Trying to build morale through bigotry is ugly and un-American. I experiences that type of moral building from racial bigots in NYC when I was a child. You have a whole lot of nerve talking to me about something that you have no experience with. You are clueless.

You are attacking the enforcement of American law. Shame on you. Learn to respect our country and the laws. You probably have not traveled much around the world outside of tourist hotspots so you have no clue what I am taking about. You might start by actually reading a current piece of writing, the Uniform Code Of Military Justice.

http://www.constitution.org/mil/ucmj19970615.htm

Then study the evolution of the American constitution. Then, and only then will you have some idea of what it means to be an American.

Armwood, the movie Bruno is not a documentary and I had no idea you black! I am a latino and my family has been in every American war since WWI and it continues with me. Much more than you can say. The actor in Bruno is a straight man, Ali G. His actions are 100 times worse than of Capt Honors and that is the similarities. Watch the movie and if you accept his actions then accept Capt Honors. Why did you dodge all my other statements? The video was stolen was it not? Is that not breaking the law too?

If you agree that what ones family’s past doesn’t make him a traitor then your family’s patriotism doesn’t make you anything military. All you get to do is enjoy what they did for us not you.

Armwood said:
I guess we have to remember that the military is often an employer of last resort. They really scraped the bottom of the barrel. It is up to the ignorant bigots to stop people. The rules of the game have change. The behavior of the people must change or face the consequences
By the way how many upper middle class or wealthy people do you know who who allow their children who have a 3.75 or higher GPA from a top tier school enlist in the military? The poor and working class fight the wars. The wealthy plan them. Their kids do not fight It has always been this way and always will.

I did not go wrong. I have the capability to think critically and I am not coward by the conventional wisdom. Thank God I grew up in New York City, a mecca for intelligent people. There is an old expression my father used to use, “a million Frenchman does not make it right”. No disparagement to the French, a culture which has often been more enlightened than our own. Thank you very much for cutting through some of the trash here.

Duh! Are you playing ignorant and just plain ignorant? This is why many of my generation felt that it was morally wrong to fight the War In Vietnam who were fighting the same enemy.

You are not the brightest light in the firmament. Unlike you my family lived through this period of American history.The American revolutionaires just had maintained an even more barbaric chattel slave system. I am sured they will effectively change the attitude of soldiers over the next 20 or so years.

And where is the factual basis? I was a national merit scholar. I don’t make any jokes. I am an old, straight, married man.

Unfortunately you live in America. Our constitution is based upon civilian control of the military. The military is an instrument of policy, not a policy making instrument. This is America. This is simply an example of a breakdown.

I will not be able to explain it to you.

How dare some johnny come lately think he knows more about being American than I do? I was a national merit scholar. Members of my family have made and been recognized officially from congress on down for making contributions to this country to make it a better place for people like me to enjoy. That is a disgrace.

Most wealthy people do not allow their children to serve in the military. The fact is that the poor and working class fight wars. I am stating a fact. Do you deny this? They should have learned as children. You know you are wrong. Duh! It is a done deal. For some people bigotry is not a big deal. We are in the 21st Century. The rule of law applies to everyone. America has changed for the better. Get on board. The train is leaving the station.

The poor and working class fight the wars. If you dispute this fine. Bring it on!

I have been a leader, I don’t particularly like it. I find it frustrating when you cannot choose your own people and you end up having to lead narrow minded people. Line supervision is not my cup of tea. U.S. Military is taking my position and instead of being a grownup. A self evident insecurity around those with differing opinions.

That is good. I am glad to see that. I was trying to hammer home the point that poor and working people fight the wars while wealthy people make the decisions. It clearly illustrates the wisdom of America having civilian control over the military. It actually sounds a little unhinged. This reflects an incredibly un-American sentiment and misunderstanding of the American system.

It is sad to hear someone who appears to be an American make such a un-American statement.

I do not know what I am talking about. Besides having identity issues and is unwilling to acknowledge obvious mistakes I will ignore your posts and responses.

These are 100% your words! I just edited them like the media edited Capt Honors video. Enjoy!

If ever there was a valid defense for a blanket party Armwood has to be it. There are so many things that go on in the military that civilians would find offensive. But those things are done amongst those of us that are serving, so there should be a solidarity there. Then some piss ant decides to break ranks and throw a monkey wrench in the system. I would serve under Capt Honors any day. We deal with things in our own special way in the Marine Corps, usually by fighting it out if we have to. But that is where it ends with us, we have it out and then move on, why cant you morons like Armwood, just sit back in your arm chair, and in your minds thank the Vets of the country for giving you that peace of mind to do that. Let us do what we have to when it comes to stress relief. Personally i do not like the color yellow, so i do not wear it, nor do i have a yellow vehicle. But i do not tell others that they cannot have yellow items, i just ignore it when i see it, and it does not bother me. The video takes on a whole new meaning when you see it out of context, i agree with the Chief whole heartedly. If the Capt were to be Courtmartialed, which we all know is not going to happen, But lets just say he did, then i wish him the best of luck as an advisor, or a consultant in the private sector, Anyone with half a brain can see he is one hell of a leader. Semper Fi! Gunny

Crazy Tex said:
Armwood, the movie Bruno is not a documentary and I had no idea you black! I am a latino and my family has been in every American war since WWI and it continues with me. Much more than you can say. The actor in Bruno is a straight man, Ali G. His actions are 100 times worse than of Capt Honors and that is the similarities. Watch the movie and if you accept his actions then accept Capt Honors. Why did you dodge all my other statements? The video was stolen was it not? Is that not breaking the law too?

If you agree that what ones family’s past doesn’t make him a traitor then your family’s patriotism doesn’t make you anything military. All you get to do is enjoy what they did for us not you.

Ha, you can’t see from my picture, I guess I could look Latino also, I i used to be mistaken for Latino in NYC while growing up and I had a lot of PR close friend.

What questions did I dodge? You wrote a lot. I will gladly answer them. I love challenging questions.

Quite frankly I believe that whistle blowers are necessary to uncover illegal conduct even if sometimes they break the law. Young Private Bradley Manning is to me a hero even though he broke the law. The murder of innocent soldiers my U.S. Military people was a horrendous crime that needed to be exposed.

http://www.collateralmurder.com/

My problem is with bigotry. I experienced a lot of bigotry growing up. I am a straight, happily married older man. I defend the victims of bigotry no matter who they are. I feel just as strongly about the Arizona Immigration statute that gives police a legal cover for racially profiling Hispanics. I believe it is unconstitutional. The first federal judge to hear a case based on it ruled it unconstitutional and stayed its implementation.

I have worked with gay people on and off for over 30 years. To me they are just people like you and me. I will rent Bruno based upon your recommendation that I should see it.

By the way I have lived as a civilian in a country where American soldiers are stationed. The behavior of a few, undisciplined soldiers greatly damages our country in the eyes of the rest of the world. Many people see our military like an invading Roman legion. This is usually not the way we behave but the stereotype exists. People like Honors perpetuate that destructive stereotype. I will tell you another thing. The homophobe is most often an ant-semite, a racial bigot and a misogynist. Bigotry is derived from insecurity. Just think how you would feel if one of your superiors was making ant-Hispanic jokes. You would be annoyed. Who knows if their were any closeted gay people who had to suffer silently through those antics. Remember DADT was in effect. I know what it is like to be the only black kid in the class from 3-12th grade and in the only one in my high school fir two years. I heard the N word daily in high school. I had teachers in grade school and high school who made racist jokes in my presence. This is my issue. I despise bigotry. I know what it feels like to be on the receiving end.

Racial jokes and jokes about sexual persuasion or religion are not funny to me. I hate Polish and Italian jokes. It is based on my experience.

As I said I had never hear of the movie before you mentioned it. I saw the trailer and a few clips. Netflix has it but not streaming.

My family has documented that we fought in every war since the Civil War. We have no documentation of any military service prior to that. We have a great picture of a relative in a formal Spanish American War uniform. Please feel free to point out any questions that I did not answer.

Hey Mr. Armwood, you are obviously retired since you have been commenting for several days and at all times of the day so..YOU DON’T WORK!! so you, naturally, have plenty of time to sit around at a computer and vent when the remarks we make hit home..You’re a gay older man who is so proud to be out of the closet…I don’t think it was Gay Men that made this country or else nobody would be working, they would all be off in the woods, doing their thing..you people disgust me and I will say “How dare you use up all this space ” Have you any idea how much room you have taken with your useless defense of your love for MEN..it is not natural..men love women, women love men..that is how it is in nature..Roosters like hens..get it??? Don’t give me that law & order garbage about how we have to respect peoples’ rights..you have no rights as far as I am concerned..if homosexuality was so “normal” why do men get arrested for “doing it” in an outdoor bathroom..I mean, they can simply say..”I’ve got my rights..the Govt. says its OK to be Gay so..let me see..who will I pick on next?..hey, there’s a kid with slim hips, and long hair..see ya later officer..I’m about to apply my rights” Grow up…instead of out! …and by the way, by the way you look, you’re no youngster either, at least I have brains to compensate for my loss of body FAT!!!

Armwood, that last reply I can respect even though I can still sense anger. BTW, I did think you to be PR. I have been on the wrong end of many racial slurs or jokes but “what does not kill us makes us stronger”! I do not like the new rule/law in AZ but that state is beautiful and I intend on retiring there.

If you read all of my posting you will see that I did agree with you on the fact that he would be disciplined. I don’t think he should get the worst case scenario though. America is a melting pod and all nationalities join our military. Not all are politically correct but that is what makes them, how they were raised. We have to be stronger as individuals and not stoop to their levels.

Two negatives don’t make a right!

Armwood, i can see you jumping on the band wagon with the helicoptor firing on potential insurgents, unfortunately from our experiences, the bad guys like to parade around during the day helping us, and then at night they are shooting and trying to blow us up. And planning events during the day to meet and plan happy little bombings like the ones recently in Baghdad. Where are you on that? They Blew up kids and civilians, themselves! many many many more than collateral damage by Nato troops. If you are going to run with Hadjiis, (the bad guys) and carry weapons or be with weapon carrying iraqiis, then be prepared to be neutralized. The Military cleared them, it was a clean engagement. The Iraq people know by now, that you dont carry weapons unless you want to be considered a bad guy, also how can you expect the pilots from what maybe 5,000 feet away to recognize a litle hadjii in the front seat as being a kid? Put yourself in the seat. How bad would that have been if that meeting could have been linked to the next bombing of civilians, and you would have let them walk away. It is easy to scrutinize and pick apart actions, afterwards, but think of it in real time. The pilot fell back on his keen sense of seeing something out of the ordinary, and evaluated the situation, got clearance and took the shot. Enough said.

Helen Nordo said:
Hey Mr. Armwood, you are obviously retired since you have been commenting for several days and at all times of the day so..YOU DON’T WORK!! so you, naturally, have plenty of time to sit around at a computer and vent when the remarks we make hit home..You’re a gay older man who is so proud to be out of the closet…I don’t think it was Gay Men that made this country or else nobody would be working, they would all be off in the woods, doing their thing..you people disgust me and I will say “How dare you use up all this space ” Have you any idea how much room you have taken with your useless defense of your love for MEN..it is not natural..men love women, women love men..that is how it is in nature..Roosters like hens..get it??? Don’t give me that law & order garbage about how we have to respect peoples’ rights..you have no rights as far as I am concerned..if homosexuality was so “normal” why do men get arrested for “doing it” in an outdoor bathroom..I mean, they can simply say..”I’ve got my rights..the Govt. says its OK to be Gay so..let me see..who will I pick on next?..hey, there’s a kid with slim hips, and long hair..see ya later officer..I’m about to apply my rights” Grow up…instead of out! …and by the way, by the way you look, you’re no youngster either, at least I have brains to compensate for my loss of body FAT!!!

You are an idiot. I am neither gay or retired. Have you ever heard of the concept of a vacation? I guess that never entered you narrow, ignorant bigoted woman. I am happily married. In your world you cannot conceive of someone defending people other than themselves. I am not as selfish or narrow-minded as you are. I actually take the teaching of Jesus seriously.

You have never heard of straight people engage in intimate relations in public places and being arrested? You think only gay people do those things? You are a sad, pathetic woman. You question my brains?, That is laughable. If you only new the truth you would be incredibly ashamed and embarrassed by your ignorance. Not to be nasty but I have forgotten more information than you will ever know. Did you even go to graduate school? Do you have a doctorate? Did you even attend a top tier university or college? It is obvious from you posts that the answer to all three of these questions for you is no and for me yes.

Do not tell me how much I can post. If you do not like it don’t read it. You do not control the world. You can barely write in the English language. You are a hate filled woman. I really feel sorry for you. Get a life and you might have more compassion and love in your heart. Reasonable people can disagree without being disagreeable.

Crazy Tex said:
Armwood, that last reply I can respect even though I can still sense anger. BTW, I did think you to be PR. I have been on the wrong end of many racial slurs or jokes but “what does not kill us makes us stronger”! I do not like the new rule/law in AZ but that state is beautiful and I intend on retiring there.

If you read all of my posting you will see that I did agree with you on the fact that he would be disciplined. I don’t think he should get the worst case scenario though. America is a melting pod and all nationalities join our military. Not all are politically correct but that is what makes them, how they were raised. We have to be stronger as individuals and not stoop to their levels.

Two negatives don’t make a right!

I am not angry at all. I have argued as part of my work for years. It is not personal at all. I actually enjoy it. Sometimes I can be very sharp in my responses if I am attacked. It is not personal though I really don’t want to hurt peoples feelings. I have very thick skin. I have to remember that everyone is not like me. I have enjoyed arguing politics for over 40 years, Thanks for the concern.

Kim Barker said:
Is that why so many on the ship complained about these videos. In fact, in the videos themselves, he mocks these “complaints”. Sorry tool, it’s not the OUTSIDERS who don;t get it. It;s the commanding officer who could care less that he’s ticking off many of his own underlings. You can justify it all you want but suggesting that he is making people “comfortable at sea” when he even admits in the video that many are not comfortable with these videos it simply willful ignorance on your part. Now if he could have only won the Iraq and Afghan war (you know the task he and his crew were assigned) instead of wasting time and energy making Beavis and Butthead videos for his crew, you can claim his “hero” status all you want. I didn’t know that you were a hero for winning races instead of winning wars. My how standards have fallen for those who claim to be conservative. No wonder you were perfectly pleased with the outcomes of Bush’s dismal foreign policies. It turns out that WINNING WARS was never the objective. Producing fine juvenile entertainment fodder is what we’re really supposed to be doing. And to that end, I agree, Captain Honors videos are way better than Osama Bin Laden’s videos. You must be so proud.

I am at a loss for words. The “complaints” were part of the running joke, no one complained. If they had, the CO would have halted production. Trust me I was in a high enough position, I would have known. We weren’t sent to win a war; we were also not in a race. The Battle “E” and the Battenberg Cup are awards, given to the best Carrier and Ship, respectively, in the US Navy. I am glad you are so passionate about your feelings, but your feelings come from misinformation, as did the general public’s opinion.

I just think that this whole incident brings shame on our military, which is perhaps what was intended by it’s release. I have a great sense of humor but the level of this humor is beneath our service members. I’d expect this sort of thing from immature teenagers, and even then they should be punished. It’s disgusting and degrading to treat human sexuallity in this way.

YEAH FIRE THE DUDE THEN PLACE IN THE FRONT LINE

Does anyone else but me get a real gay vibe from the Captain? He’s just too at home in the gay-themed scenes. And the K-Y is just the telling touch. Is this dude married?

Marie, do you think are soldiers are computers or robots? Can they not have a little fun after a long day? I supported ending DADT, I will not support ANY distinguished sailor getting expelled for bullshit like this.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

Mr. Armwood, I find it highly interesting that you should devote so much of your “vacation” time on the computer protecting the rights of Gay men..perhaps you are a closet gay..who knows..I mean you are so highly intelligent, dress like a geek..that clothing you are wearing is, either from another time, or you still think you’re in Graduate School..you grow up..I’ll bet you never served in the army and had to face some guy giving you the eye..or maybe you did and that is why you are so protective of these misfits..men who love men are…SICK!! and your defense of them and anger at that Captain makes me wonder why you are acting in this manner..You can go fight the world, gays will never be accepted in society and, if they are, they are from creeps like you that never really made it in the real world but the one you placed yourself in, so intelligent, so many degrees..ha ha that doesn’t make you better, that makes you more of a creep..so don’t bother responding to my comment, I’m getting sick of your mindless chatter..You obviously are not used to being around…REAL MEN!! Good Bye!!!

As the proud father of a wonderful son, who is gay, I find your diatribe incredibly vitriolic Helen Nordo. If ANYONE ever said, in my immediate presence, that my son, a former Marine combat Veteran, was “sick” and unacceptable I would cut his fucking tongue out and and make him eat it. YOU, and those like you, are the sick and heartless demons that this world would be better without. I am a Christian and as much as it hurts and shames me, I pray that you suffer a long and painful death and be dumped into the Hellish cesspool you so rightly deserve. I also pray that you have no children of your own and if so, that you not infect them with your mental illness. I would never denounce or cruelly label another man or woman’s child in the heartless way you have. Gay people are human beings, with parents and siblings. And this parent does not suffer fools who abuse his children, or anyone’s children. Look within. Shame on you.