The GOP have been hiding under their rock because no matter how you slice it their half of the tax compromise is tax cuts for the rich.

The Republican vision is to attack Obama while he’s in office and make sure he can’t do anything that makes him look good.

A mature response might have been to vote what you actually support and vote against what you don’t support, to make the American people’s lives easier and “freer”.

It’s so simple and yet… what’s so hard about it?

Did Republicans really need to turn down money for 9/11 first responders?

The Republicans just don’t give a shit about anyone. It’s the crazies thing I’ve ever seen, they have next to no morality. They will shoot down things for poor people, and even 9/11 first responders… it’s a fucking joke.

Jon Martin said:
Did Republicans really need to turn down money for 9/11 first responders?

Again, a procedural manuever, not an up and down vote.

BFD said:
The GOP have been hiding under their rock because no matter how you slice it their half of the tax compromise is tax cuts for the rich.

It absolutely astounds me how you morons really really believe it’s gonna be paradise when all the rich people are gone.

Fact: BFD stays that he wants to steal from those who earn more than he does because he feels the need to pick their pockets of their money. I find him to be a kleptomaniac. He’s so stupid to balance his own checkbook so he just caries the fuck you tax payers charge card that he and all the other bottom feeder democrats carry. Hey look all the brightest in his party had to pay up just to get the jobs they have in government now. So there is why or what should the rest do but follow their lead and panhandle for more of others earned income. The rich did it for themselves so man up and do it too! Whippy piece of crap! Get off the tit!

This is a TRILLION DOLLAR SPENDING “deal” made in lunatic-left d-crat socialist heaven. Overall, this is a BAD deal for America – “You Lie!” hussein only bent slightly, while the Ruling Class, out-of-touch establishment Repubs (especially mealy-mouth mcconnell) caved in to more economic/social atrocities from the lunatic-left. That is why Jim DeMINT appropriately opposes this “deal”.

THE GOOD: improves the d-crat socialists’ beloved DEATH TAX and doesn’t raise taxes in an economy hobbled by the failed policies of the d-crat socialists – including NOT raising taxes on small business owners to encourage job creation.

THE STINKINGLY BAD: cut the 6.2 percent Social Security payroll tax by 2 percentage points next year (…economic insanity: take a BANKRUPT Social Security program and make it EVEN MORE BANKRUPT !)

THE HORRIBLY UGLY: massively increases the national debt and deficit to preserve a bundle of lunatic-left tax credits and giveaways, including the earned income tax credit, the child tax credit and an outrageous tax credit that helps pay college tuition, helping create a “permanent” class of unemployed living off government welfare, earmarks for special interests, including ethanol subsidies, film and television producer tax breaks, give aways for Puerto Rican rum manufacturers, favors for auto racing track owners, a hand-out for businesses in American Samoa and on and on and on.

However, I do enjoy watching the leader of the lunatic-left, crazy pelosi, slap down their token and figurehead, “You Lie!” hussein, over this !

Just4thefax said:
Fact: BFD stays that he wants to steal from those who earn more than he does because he feels the need to pick their pockets of their money. I find him to be a kleptomaniac. He’s so stupid to balance his own checkbook so he just caries the fuck you tax payers charge card that he and all the other bottom feeder democrats carry. Hey look all the brightest in his party had to pay up just to get the jobs they have in government now. So there is why or what should the rest do but follow their lead and panhandle for more of others earned income. The rich did it for themselves so man up and do it too! Whippy piece of crap! Get off the tit!

Does anyone actually read what this guy says? Why? his “facts” aren’t facts. What a useless poster, I usually just scroll down if I see your picture XD

I thought they articulated their vision; to undermine Obama at any cost so that they can make political gains counter to what is in the best interest of the people.

Jon Martin said:
The Republican vision is to attack Obama while he’s in office and make sure he can’t do anything that makes him look good. A mature response might have been to vote what you actually support and vote against what you don’t support, to make the American people’s lives easier and “freer”. It’s so simple and yet… what’s so hard about it? Did Republicans really need to turn down money for 9/11 first responders? The Republicans just don’t give a shit about anyone. It’s the crazies thing I’ve ever seen, they have next to no morality. They will shoot down things for poor people, and even 9/11 first responders… it’s a fucking joke.

Fact: Re-read it lazy dumb shit!

Fact: Why should the government pay for something that the union thugs where in charge of every site of the crews in the clean-up efforts. They had resources to provided for PPE equipment, so when they sent workers out to the sites but instead of providing the PPE equipment. Figure it out butt munch. They pocketed the extra money for the union coffers. So don’t go pushing your chickenshit blame where it doesn’t belong. Have the union fork it back up! I had the link up the other day that you regular assholes didn’t the read it. Those who post daily pull the jug out of your ass take another swig of Kool Aid. Hell face the FACTS you where just too lazy to read it or pull it up. Hey you’re cleaning waste so next time doesn’t hire a dumbshit to do the work that can’t tell I might be in a dangerous situation. Spoon feed the handout fuckers from cradle to grave. Grow some brains or balls for being a dumb shit! Also you should prosecute NYT this isn’t the first time they have pissed on my country!

Jon Martin said:
Does anyone actually read what this guy says? Why? his “facts” aren’t facts. What a useless poster, I usually just scroll down if I see your picture XD

Fact: You don’t because all you spew is just shit and that’s the fact! Punk!

TeaPartyPatriot said:
This is a TRILLION DOLLAR SPENDING “deal” made in lunatic-left d-crat socialist heaven. Overall, this is a BAD deal for America – “You Lie!” hussein only bent slightly, while the Ruling Class, out-of-touch establishment Repubs (especially mealy-mouth mcconnell) caved in to more economic/social atrocities from the lunatic-left. That is why Jim DeMINT appropriately opposes this “deal”.

THE GOOD: improves the d-crat socialists’ beloved DEATH TAX and doesn’t raise taxes in an economy hobbled by the failed policies of the d-crat socialists – including NOT raising taxes on small business owners to encourage job creation.

THE STINKINGLY BAD: cut the 6.2 percent Social Security payroll tax by 2 percentage points next year (…economic insanity: take a BANKRUPT Social Security program and make it EVEN MORE BANKRUPT !)

THE HORRIBLY UGLY: massively increases the national debt and deficit to preserve a bundle of lunatic-left tax credits and giveaways, including the earned income tax credit, the child tax credit and an outrageous tax credit that helps pay college tuition, helping create a “permanent” class of unemployed living off government welfare, earmarks for special interests, including ethanol subsidies, film and television producer tax breaks, give aways for Puerto Rican rum manufacturers, favors for auto racing track owners, a hand-out for businesses in American Samoa and on and on and on.

However, I do enjoy watching the leader of the lunatic-left, crazy pelosi, slap down their token and figurehead, “You Lie!” hussein, over this !

way to sticjk to the twists, talking points and propaganda. i especially like the “death tax” bullshit.

Tim, I posted this yesterday, but it goes along with what you are saying and needs repeating:

Class Warriors Got What They Wished For

A funny thing happened on the way to spreading the wealth: wealth dried up.

A good class warrior wishes for three things (at least).
For tax rates to be highest on the richest. Ideally, only the rich would pay taxes. The Father of Class War, Karl Marx, made “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” one of the ten planks of his Manifesto.
For no one to be super-rich. Ideally, no one would make more than some amount considered too much. Barack Obama, the Son of Class War, once said, “I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”
For government to have plenty of money so that it can spread the wealth and help the needy. The Democratic Party, the Holy Ghost of Class War, put this in its 2008 platform: “For families making more than $250,000, we’ll ask them to give back a portion of the Bush tax cuts to invest in health care and other key priorities.”

Now think about that for a moment. If the class warriors got their first two wishes, their third wish would be impossible. If you tax only the rich, yet you have no rich, then government collects no revenue. You can’t spread wealth if there is no wealth.

And here is the punchline: that is exactly what is happening now, just not as starkly

More here, http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/class_warriors_got_what_they_w.html

timzank said:
Again, a procedural manuever, not an up and down vote.

You are sadly mistaken. It was just the opposite.

The Republican’s voted it down precisely because all that was allowed was an “up or down” vote, when they wanted to add amendments to the bill.

You really should get your facts straight before you post.

timzank said:
It absolutely astounds me how you morons really really believe it’s gonna be paradise when all the rich people are gone.

It astounds me how you morons think decreasing taxes is most important and then turn around bitch and moan about debt.

How is it possible for the avowed socialist Bernie Sanders to serve in our Senate?

Wouldn’t that be considered an enemy within?

From the senate.gov website, this is the Oath of Office, as it is administered to US Senators.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

On Senator Sander’s own Senate.gov webpage, an article appears which describes Sanders as a socialist:

When Vermonters chose Sanders to replace retired Sen. Jim Jeffords, I-Vt., in 2006, some senators doubted whether the impassioned socialist known for his untamed white hair and fiery oratory would fit in with the staid Senate.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/12/senator_bernie_sanders_and_his.html

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Tim, I posted this yesterday, but it goes along with what you are saying and needs repeating:

Class Warriors Got What They Wished For

A funny thing happened on the way to spreading the wealth: wealth dried up.

A good class warrior wishes for three things (at least).
For tax rates to be highest on the richest. Ideally, only the rich would pay taxes. The Father of Class War, Karl Marx, made “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” one of the ten planks of his Manifesto.
For no one to be super-rich. Ideally, no one would make more than some amount considered too much. Barack Obama, the Son of Class War, once said, “I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”
For government to have plenty of money so that it can spread the wealth and help the needy. The Democratic Party, the Holy Ghost of Class War, put this in its 2008 platform: “For families making more than $250,000, we’ll ask them to give back a portion of the Bush tax cuts to invest in health care and other key priorities.”

Now think about that for a moment. If the class warriors got their first two wishes, their third wish would be impossible. If you tax only the rich, yet you have no rich, then government collects no revenue. You can’t spread wealth if there is no wealth.

And here is the punchline: that is exactly what is happening now, just not as starkly

More here, http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/class_warriors_got_what_they_w.html

Michelle, I’m curious. What has Obama done that constitutes “class war” on any level and please don’t give me the “a lot of things” excuse so many tea partiers do.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
It astounds me how you morons think decreasing taxes is most important and then turn around bitch and moan about debt.

Fact: Smaller government less debt dumb shit! Less government spends less!

I thought the Republican vision was to deny the President any legislative victories no matter how big or how small. Even going so far as to vote against the START treaty which is a Republican Treaty and ends up putting our country at greater risk. The Republican vision for our country is anti-American and seeks to destroy the fabric of our Democracy all in the name of winning the next election.

timzank said:
It absolutely astounds me how you morons really really believe it’s gonna be paradise when all the rich people are gone.

Rich people are gone? Where would they go?

Another assinine comment.

This fight isn’t about “getting rid of rich people”. It’s about not giving away what little money we have to those that are already well off enough.

What happend to the Tea Party mantra of having to pay for it first? Did you guys throw away all your princials already? This is what you wanted? To be known as flip-floppers before you even take office?

juan said:
How is it possible for the avowed socialist Bernie Sanders to serve in our Senate?

Wouldn’t that be considered an enemy within?

From the senate.gov website, this is the Oath of Office, as it is administered to US Senators.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

On Senator Sander’s own Senate.gov webpage, an article appears which describes Sanders as a socialist:

When Vermonters chose Sanders to replace retired Sen. Jim Jeffords, I-Vt., in 2006, some senators doubted whether the impassioned socialist known for his untamed white hair and fiery oratory would fit in with the staid Senate.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/12/senator_bernie_sanders_and_his.html

More baseless cut and paste bullshit.

Fact: America’s best days are in front of her — if only we have the guts to face the truth and apply ourselves to repairing the foundation upon which this blessed nation was formed. The doctor (Just4thefax) is in and the diagnosis is clear: in Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder, Conservatives provides a remedy to help freedom-loving Americans effectively medicate the mental disease of modern liberalism and restore America’s former brilliance. Modern liberalism: “made in much the same way as a sausage — it’s a blend of fascist, Communist, and socialist ideologies from twentieth century Europe, with a pinch of Nazism, all ground together, yet retaining the flavor of its various parts”. So it’s clear to me and also most here that post liberals are in need of help. So go get some free on. All you libereal democrat dumb shit kiss my ass!

timzank said:
It absolutely astounds me how you morons really really believe it’s gonna be paradise when all the rich people are gone.

Sorry, I intended to give you a thumbs-up, but accidentally pressed thumbs down.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Smaller government less debt dumb shit! Less government spends less!

Smaller government. Please explain that to me, you racist idiot. (Please say you’re not a racist so I can post links to use saying “n-please”) How is there smaller government? Where has it been accomplished in history particularly in a democratic society. Our debt comes about from an imbalance of spending and revenues. Why are revenues lower? THINK!!! Don’t give me the same bullshit over and over again because it doesn’t fly here!

timzank said:
It absolutely astounds me how you morons really really believe it’s gonna be paradise when all the rich people are gone.

And it astounds me that it doesn’t bother you that the rich keep getting richer at the expense of the middle class.
Their control of Americas wealth has doubled and doubled again since the 70′s. When will it be enough for you teabloggers?
You are a fucking whore for everything that is wrong with country right now.

Jonathan Scott said:
I thought the Republican vision was to deny the President any legislative victories no matter how big or how small. Even going so far as to vote against the START treaty which is a Republican Treaty and ends up putting our country at greater risk. The Republican vision for our country is anti-American and seeks to destroy the fabric of our Democracy all in the name of winning the next election.

Fact: We live in a republic! get your facts straight!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Smaller government less debt dumb shit! Less government spends less!

Wait are you seriously trying to convince people that Republicans believe in less government and less spending? What a fucking joke. Bush spent so much money he turned all of you people into tax and spend liberals. He passed the largest unfunded Government program in its history with Medicare Part D. He spent billions on two wars that weren’t even in the budget.

The Republican Party is now the party of spend spend spend and screw the consequences. Not to mention them pushing for a 700 Billion increase to the Debt for the tax cuts for the rich. Something our idiotic President agrees with.

I say vote them all out and keep the good ones like Sanders and I will even take Ron Paul on the right. The Republcan vision for America is spend spend spend and steal the rest of the dwindling wealth from the middle and lower classes.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Smaller government. Please explain that to me, you racist idiot. (Please say you’re not a racist so I can post links to use saying “n-please”) How is there smaller government? Where has it been accomplished in history particularly in a democratic society. Our debt comes about from an imbalance of spending and revenues. Why are revenues lower? THINK!!! Don’t give me the same bullshit over and over again because it doesn’t fly here!

*you not use, brainfart.

juan said:
How is it possible for the avowed socialist Bernie Sanders to serve in our Senate? Wouldn’t that be considered an enemy within? From the senate.gov website, this is the Oath of Office, as it is administered to US Senators. I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God. On Senator Sander’s own Senate.gov webpage, an article appears which describes Sanders as a socialist: When Vermonters chose Sanders to replace retired Sen. Jim Jeffords, I-Vt., in 2006, some senators doubted whether the impassioned socialist known for his untamed white hair and fiery oratory would fit in with the staid Senate. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/12/senator_bernie_sanders_and_his.html

What country do you live in?

Socialists have been part of the American experiment since it’s inception.

Another ignoramus…damn this site is filled with idiots who don’t check the facts before they post.

Could be exactly what Sanders has been talking about…a lack of quality education for our citizens?

If I were you I wouldn’t be worried about the Socialists, they are fighting for the poor and middle class…it’s the rest of the world that is surpassing us in technology and education that should concern you.

But I guess you’d need a decent education to understand the global ramifications.

BFD said:
And it astounds me that it doesn’t bother you that the rich keep getting richer at the expense of the middle class.Their control of Americas wealth has doubled and doubled again since the 70’s. When will it be enough for you teabloggers?You are a fucking whore for everything that is wrong with country right now.

Fcat: Earn it your self lazy dumb shit! go to school get a grade apply what you learn and get it yourself and quit being a klepto!

spinercrusher, how did we get the money?

Jonathan Scott said:
I thought the Republican vision was to deny the President any legislative victories no matter how big or how small. Even going so far as to vote against the START treaty which is a Republican Treaty and ends up putting our country at greater risk. The Republican vision for our country is anti-American and seeks to destroy the fabric of our Democracy all in the name of winning the next election.

You are absolutely correct, except substitute Socialist Democrats for Republicans in the last sentence.

As Rush would say, “We are here to DEFEAT you.”

Just4thefax said:
Fact: We live in a republic! get your facts straight!

You realize that a Republic is a form of democracy and that we only abide by because the country is too large for full-fledged democracy, correct? No, you don’t because that doesn’t fit your narrative.

juan said:
You are absolutely correct, except substitute Socialist Democrats for Republicans in the last sentence.

As Rush would say, “We are here to DEFEAT you.”

So your sole purpose is NOT to serve the best interests of the people, but to gain political power. Duly noted!

SpineCrusher said:
If I were you I wouldn’t be worried about the Socialists, they are fighting for the poor and middle class…it’s the rest of the world that is surpassing us in technology and education that should concern you.
But I guess you’d need a decent education to understand the global ramifications.

See the global ramifications of Socialism in the UK, Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, etc.

Your argument is moot!

RL, I’m curious,do you ever do any research before making remarks? Try googling Obama’s class war and see what you find.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
So your sole purpose is NOT to serve the best interests of the people, but to gain political power. Duly noted!

Our Sole Purpose is to DEFEAT the commie/socialist/Marxists!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
It astounds me how you morons think decreasing taxes is most important and then turn around bitch and moan about debt.

Any 3rd grade student can see it’s SPENDING not lack of revenue.

RL says:

So your sole purpose is NOT to serve the best interests of the people, but to gain political power. Duly noted!

Um, that’s the Dem motto. Keep the folks dependent on government so the Dem’s stay in power.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
RL, I’m curious,do you ever do any research before making remarks? Try googling Obama’s class war and see what you find.

You’re making the accusation. Either back it up or don’t post. By the way, that’s the second thing most tea partiers say after “Lots of things” It goes something like “Lots of things. You can find it, go google it. I can’t even name it all”
Is that about right?

taxes would stay the same that they are now……well the estate tax will go up

juan said:
Our Sole Purpose is to DEFEAT the commie/socialist/Marxists!

As I said; not to serve the interests of the people but to score political power.

timzank said:
Any 3rd grade student can see it’s SPENDING not lack of revenue.

It is a combination of the two whether you like that fact or not. Facts don’t see partisanship like your statements do.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Um, that’s the Dem motto. Keep the folks dependent on government so the Dem’s stay in power.

Yeah, I like the GOP’s motto better….

“Rob from the poor and give to the rich”

SpineCrusher said:
Could be exactly what Sanders has been talking about…a lack of quality education for our citizens?

We spend 100 times as much to educate our kids as any other country, and they fail. It’s not the money nimrod, you would think even you twits could see 50 years of throwing money at Education has produced worse results.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
RL says:

So your sole purpose is NOT to serve the best interests of the people, but to gain political power. Duly noted!

Um, that’s the Dem motto. Keep the folks dependent on government so the Dem’s stay in power.

Once again, that’s nothing more than your opinion. You have no proof whatsoever. Please stop injecting opinion into things.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Smaller government. Please explain that to me, you racist idiot. (Please say you’re not a racist so I can post links to use saying “n-please”) How is there smaller government? Where has it been accomplished in history particularly in a democratic society. Our debt comes about from an imbalance of spending and revenues. Why are revenues lower? THINK!!! Don’t give me the same bullshit over and over again because it doesn’t fly here!

Fact: Your in The Republic of The United States of America and The States should be back to being what this country was founded on but hell you missed the point by what your lead question asked was just that way out there. I don’t know where you got lost but we live in a represented society where we elect people to govern on our behalf no in a democracy where you have one man one vote decides the outcome way we are governed. Grow up man up earn it yourself!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
It is a combination of the two whether you like that fact or not. Facts don’t see partisanship like your statements do.

BFD said:
Yeah, I like the GOP’s motto better…. “Rob from the poor and give to the rich”

Who do the middle class acquire their employment from, the poor people? Who is supposed to pay the middle class, the poor people? How can you be so stupid as to not admit we need wealthy people?

timzank said:
We spend 100 times as much to educate our kids as any other country, and they fail. It’s not the money nimrod, you would think even you twits could see 50 years of throwing money at Education has produced worse results.

You sure about that? As far as spending on education as a percentage of gdp goes we’re not even close to others:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_edu_spe-education-spending-of-gdp
And as I recall there were just riots in the UK due to tuition costs going up to the equivalent of $14,000.

Not my opinion RL it’s fact. Dem’s do NOT want a nation of industrious people who can fend for themselves and don’t depend on the gov’t for everything. You don’t have to admit it, but it’s true.

@juan: There’s nothing in the Constitution against Socialism and to most people, it’s not considered an enemy, foreign or domestic. It’s just another way of doing things that may not be the dominant system in this country, but there’s plenty of Americanized examples that are considered a success.

timzank said:
Who do the middle class acquire their employment from, the poor people? Who is supposed to pay the middle class, the poor people? How can you be so stupid as to not admit we need wealthy people?

That point is MOOT! How stupid are you? We lowered taxes years ago and where are the jobs? Ask Habib because he got five of them from people who got those tax breaks. Do you even understand the concept of cheap labor or are you still stick in your foolish little mentality?

This joker should put up or shut up. He can lash out at people who are actually doing something and are answerable to the people. Why doesn’t he go for public office and see the reality. It’s easy to be a blow-hard on the radio.

timzank said:
How can you be so stupid as to not admit we need wealthy people?

1 – I never said that, dipshit.

2 – The rich are doing fine in this country tyvm. Never better.
It is the middle class that is becoming extinct.

Answer my question…When is it enough?
When the top 1% control 40% of the wealth?
50%?
60%?
70%
No limit? Just let the wealthy keep buying GOP lawmakers to give them more wealth?

Hey RL, why don’t you read the article I posted and tell me where it goes wrong. I’d love your thoughts.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
That point is MOOT! How stupid are you? We lowered taxes years ago and where are the jobs? Ask Habib because he got five of them from people who got those tax breaks. Do you even understand the concept of cheap labor or are you still stick in your foolish little mentality?

Who do you work for? A “rich” guy, the government, or are you unemployed? Which is it?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
RL, I’m curious,do you ever do any research before making remarks? Try googling Obama’s class war and see what you find.

Michele how many times do I have to explain THE GOOGLE to you! Anybody can find anything they want to by doing that to back-up their point of view. There are tons of whack-job websites out there. Try to usre some independent thinking here instead of just towing the party line.

cjd ohio 1 said:
spinercrusher, how did we get the money?

Please define “we” and what “money” you’re reffering to.

BFD said:
Yeah, I like the GOP’s motto better…. “Rob from the poor and give to the rich”

Fact: If you didn’t earn it it’s not yours! I see how your mama raised a snake!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Your in The Republic of The United States of America and The States should be back to being what this country was founded on but hell you missed the point by what your lead question asked was just that way out there. I don’t know where you got lost but we live in a represented society where we elect people to govern on our behalf no in a democracy where you have one man one vote decides the outcome way we are governed. Grow up man up earn it yourself!

First off your post makes NO SENSE. Furthermore you have the concept of democracy misconstrued beyond what is even sensible. Democracy is where the PEOPLE vote for actions by DIRECT REFERENDUM. That is democracy at its most base form, that’s the textbook definition. From there it branches out into representative democracy, constitutional and so on. Please tell me what type of democracy a republic is.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
We lowered taxes years ago and where are the jobs?

Unemployment was 5% until the Dems got control of Congress and Teh One became the Emperor.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Not my opinion RL it’s fact. Dem’s do NOT want a nation of industrious people who can fend for themselves and don’t depend on the gov’t for everything. You don’t have to admit it, but it’s true.

OPINION. period. No proof, nothing. No facts, nothing. I know you’re smarter than this, come on.

Spiderlady, try taking your own advice. All you do is spew liberal talking points.

Magister said:
@juan: There’s nothing in the Constitution against Socialism and to most people, it’s not considered an enemy, foreign or domestic. It’s just another way of doing things that may not be the dominant system in this country, but there’s plenty of Americanized examples that are considered a success.

Fact: Now you need more cowbell!

FACT. Of course you won’t admit it because to do that would be to admit Dem’s do not want what’s best for people. I’d lie to.

timzank said:
Who do you work for? A “rich” guy, the government, or are you unemployed? Which is it?

I work for a public university while I’m attending school if you must know. When I’m not at school I’m at home helping my mother take care of my blind father and autistic siblings.
Now that you’ve heard my life story please tell me this; where are the jobs those tax breaks were supposed to produce?

BFD said:
Yeah, I like the GOP’s motto better…. “Rob from the poor and give to the rich”

Ugh !!!… What do the rich rob from the poor ?… No, really I’m interested to see this… I just can’t think of anything the poor would have that the rich would want… Cuz, the rich only want money, right ?…

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
OPINION. period. No proof, nothing. No facts, nothing. I know you’re smarter than this, come on.

Answer my question, do you work for a “rich” guy, the government or do you not work at all???????

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
FACT. Of course you won’t admit it because to do that would be to admit Dem’s do not want what’s best for people. I’d lie to.

So I guess you have already vowed to not take SS and Medicare. Good that is more for me.

timzank said:
We spend 100 times as much to educate our kids as any other country, and they fail. It’s not the money nimrod, you would think even you twits could see 50 years of throwing money at Education has produced worse results.

You can imagine anything you like, but that doesn’t make it true. The US in no way, shape or form spends 100x as any other country. A little studiousness on your part would make that more than apparant.

So you’re anti-education, eh? That one of the stupidest (no pun intended) things I’ve ever heard.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I work for a public university while I’m attending school if you must know. When I’m not at school I’m at home helping my mother take care of my blind father and autistic siblings.Now that you’ve heard my life story please tell me this; where are the jobs those tax breaks were supposed to produce?

So your and your families income is derived from other peoples tax revenues, correct?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Not my opinion RL it’s fact. Dem’s do NOT want a nation of industrious people who can fend for themselves and don’t depend on the gov’t for everything. You don’t have to admit it, but it’s true.

opinion is not fact, get over yourself.

timzank said:
Unemployment was 5% until the Dems got control of Congress and Teh One became the Emperor.

Factchecked:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_electing_a_democratic_congress_in_2006.html

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
FACT. Of course you won’t admit it because to do that would be to admit Dem’s do not want what’s best for people. I’d lie to.

Yours is opinion and of course a lie. I guess I was wrong, you’re NOT smarter than this.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I work for a public university while I’m attending school if you must know. When I’m not at school I’m at home helping my mother take care of my blind father and autistic siblings.Now that you’ve heard my life story please tell me this; where are the jobs those tax breaks were supposed to produce?

Unemployment was 5% until Nancy, Harry & Barry got ahold of things.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I work for a public university while I’m attending school if you must know. When I’m not at school I’m at home helping my mother take care of my blind father and autistic siblings.Now that you’ve heard my life story please tell me this; where are the jobs those tax breaks were supposed to produce?

Good for you. Keep up the great work.

timzank said:
Unemployment was 5% until the Dems got control of Congress and Teh One became the Emperor.

not true again, damn you are an EASY target.

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-jobs-lost-in-the-bush-and-obama-administration-2010-2

This information has been out there for years, BUSH hit the bottom and it has gone nowhere but up since “Teh One became the Emporor”.

Then again, facts always get in the way of opinion, right?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
First off your post makes NO SENSE. Furthermore you have the concept of democracy misconstrued beyond what is even sensible. Democracy is where the PEOPLE vote for actions by DIRECT REFERENDUM. That is democracy at its most base form, that’s the textbook definition. From there it branches out into representative democracy, constitutional and so on. Please tell me what type of democracy a republic is.

Fact: I just can’t do the see spot run shit for you today to get you to understand anything you read like a rat and you see the world from the bottom. So that is the only view you will ever have! Get back in the soup line and get your handout and keep up and watch us leaders go by!

opinion is not fact,

True, but that doesn’t change the FACT that what I said is in fact FACT! Why won’t you libs just admit you want the gov’t to be responsible for your every want and need? Come on, confession is good for the soul.

timzank said:
So your and your families income is derived from other peoples tax revenues, correct?

I was hoping you’d ask that. Yes and no.
My mother worked at GM for years and receives a pension. She’s not old enough for SS yet. My father, up until he lost his eyesight this past year, worked for multiple years(even through 2 strokes and 2 instances of congestive heart failure) and receives pension. Their combined income is too much so my siblings do NOT receive disability benefits something you can thank president Reagan for. As for me, I work for a student run cafeteria. It receives partial funding from the university but is for the most part independent save for the manager and dining services officials who oversee. Anything else?

timzank said:
Unemployment was 5% until Nancy, Harry & Barry got ahold of things.

Please go to factcheck.

Just4thefux said:
Fact: I just can’t do the see spot run shit for you today to get you to understand anything you read like a rat and you see the world from the bottom. So that is the only view you will ever have! Get back in the soup line and get your handout and keep up and watch us leaders go by!

That statement says so much more about yourself than anything you’ve posted yet.

So you’re a trust fundy? Daddy leave you lots of money?

Because there is no way an individual with a mind as weak as yours could ever make a living on their own.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
opinion is not fact,

True, but that doesn’t change the FACT that what I said is in fact FACT! Why won’t you libs just admit you want the gov’t to be responsible for your every want and need? Come on, confession is good for the soul.

Proof or shut the fuck up please.

juan said:
How is it possible for the avowed socialist Bernie Sanders to serve in our Senate?

Wouldn’t that be considered an enemy within?

From the senate.gov website, this is the Oath of Office, as it is administered to US Senators.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

On Senator Sander’s own Senate.gov webpage, an article appears which describes Sanders as a socialist:

When Vermonters chose Sanders to replace retired Sen. Jim Jeffords, I-Vt., in 2006, some senators doubted whether the impassioned socialist known for his untamed white hair and fiery oratory would fit in with the staid Senate.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/12/senator_bernie_sanders_and_his.html

I like socialism, but I also like capitalism. Our country is a mix of the two. I also support socialized medicine.

Socialism isn’t a bad word! Being social is great! Republicans should try it instead of being assholes because they don’t take the time to get to know other types of people.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: I just can’t do the see spot run shit for you today to get you to understand anything you read like a rat and you see the world from the bottom. So that is the only view you will ever have! Get back in the soup line and get your handout and keep up and watch us leaders go by!

Translation: I have lost and since I have no honor to concede I’ll throw it useless attacks and talking points.

Thank you sir, you may continue on.

HAHA, this is from the Frank Luntz thread. At least this lib is honest. RL, you could learn from him:

Dem4Ever says:
December 10, 2010 at 3:58 pm Dem4Ever(Quote)
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I don’t care if old rich white KKK men pay taxes or not. My Pres. says I have a right to free healthcare and housing. As long as I get what is mine I don’t care.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
HAHA, this is from the Frank Luntz thread. At least this lib is honest. RL, you could learn from him:

Dem4Ever says:
December 10, 2010 at 3:58 pm Dem4Ever(Quote)
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I don’t care if old rich white KKK men pay taxes or not. My Pres. says I have a right to free healthcare and housing. As long as I get what is mine I don’t care.

You cite a parody account. Good job, Michelle, you’re such an intelligent adult.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
HAHA, this is from the Frank Luntz thread. At least this lib is honest. RL, you could learn from him: Dem4Ever says:December 10, 2010 at 3:58 pm Dem4Ever(Quote)0 3I don’t care if old rich white KKK men pay taxes or not. My Pres. says I have a right to free healthcare and housing. As long as I get what is mine I don’t care.

great, so “Dem4Ever” is your other tag..and?

I can see how you two would be angry at this lib for saying what you two don’t have the courage to.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Please go to factcheck.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=LNS14000000

Blame anyone you feel comfortable with, fact is (read the chart) unemployment was at 5% until your messiah hit the throne.

I think at a point, you’ve made too much money.

Barack Obama

SpineCrusher said:
That statement says so much more about yourself than anything you’ve posted yet. So you’re a trust fundy? Daddy leave you lots of money? Because there is no way an individual with a mind as weak as yours could ever make a living on their own.

Fact: Watch video again on middle of page and that’s just how you losers argue that’s it you just don’t get it just like November 2nd didn’t happen either!
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/11/04/how-leftists-argue/

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
I can see how you two would be angry at this lib for saying what you two don’t have the courage to.

Are you this childish and annoying in real life? Talking to Republicans is really like arguing with a 5-year old. Only the 5-year-old can use a computer and google lol. Did you remeber to bring the teabags and misspelled signs? I’ll bring the heritage foundation links!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Translation: I have lost and since I have no honor to concede I’ll throw it useless attacks and talking points. Thank you sir, you may continue on.

Fact: Again I don’t lose it just they way you losers argue like the video posted below. You just don’t get it and never will just like November 2nd!
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/11/04/how-leftists-argue/

timzank said:
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=LNS14000000

Blame anyone you feel comfortable with, fact is (read the chart) unemployment was at 5% until your messiah hit the throne.

Really? Obama became president in 2009, that shows that in 2008 unemployment was 7.4%. Furthermore, democrats took control in 2006 which was reflected in the 2007 congress. The annual unemployment for 2007, according to YOUR source was 5%. So the democrats had control and unemployment was 5%, right?

Did you remeber

It’s remeMber RL

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Are you this childish and annoying in real life? Talking to Republicans is really like arguing with a 5-year old. Only the 5-year-old can use a computer and google lol. Did you remeber to bring the teabags and misspelled signs? I’ll bring the heritage foundation links!

Fact: Stick out your hands the farthest and you might get your handout first!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Again I don’t lose it just they way you losers argue like the video posted below. You just don’t get it and never will just like November 2nd!
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/11/04/how-leftists-argue/

Point? Is this supposed to offend? Oh, you’re being a childish sore loser again, I get it!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Did you remeber

It’s remeMber RL

Thank you for correcting me, sometimes my keyboard gets a little sticky. Don’t worry though, I promised I wouldn’t correct you because you have problems with your eyes sometimes and I’ll stick to that. That’s called integrity. Get some!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Stick out your hands the farthest and you might get your handout first!

Translation: I’ve really really lost here so I’m just gonna throw out some more childish insults.

Feels good when one person trounces all of you so thoroughly.

Hey RL, read this article and let me know what you think. He hits the nail squarely on the head:

Why do Democrats love dependence? Because everything else is their competition

It’s often said that the Democratic Party is anti-business. In a sense, that’s true, but it’s ironic. The Democratic Party may be the biggest and most sophisticated business in America. And it acts like most other businesses.

The other guys.
The objective of a business is to convince as large a market as possible to purchase a product or service, and this is generally done by convincing the people in that market that their lives won’t be as complete without whatever it is you’re offering.

The Democrats offer any number of things that might be categorized as “benefits,” a description that holds insofar as it describes things that purportedly either make your life better or, at the very least, protect you from some sort of catastrophe you couldn’t handle if left to your own devices.

The reason Democrats are anti-business, therefore, is that private-sector businesses compete with government – and thus, with Democrats, the party of government – to provide the goods, services and benefits that make your life better.

Do you need a doctor? Then just go see one. But no, say Democrats. Doctors will rip you off unless we, Democrats, make sure they don’t. Do you need a good income? Then start a business or go work for someone else’s business. But no, say Democrats. The market is unfair, corrupt and rigged against you! You need us to confiscate money from those who have made money so we can give it to you.

Do you want a raise? Then go ask your boss. But no, say Democrats. Your boss is a greedy capitalist pig who will probably fire you for even asking. We’ll get you into a union (trust us, you’ll love it) that will negotiate your wages on your behalf.

A business does everything it can to persuade you that it can meet your needs, and that its competitors cannot.

More: http://www.northstarnational.com/2010/02/22/democrats-love-dependence-competition/

Sorry, RL, I couldn’t resist because you misspelled a word while you were in the middle or ridiculing tea-partiers for their spelling errors. It’s called irony.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Translation: I’ve really really lost here so I’m just gonna throw out some more childish insults.

Fact: You just can’t help those who can’t help themselves that’s the Fact! You lost when you started posting that’s it!

this fight isnt about getting rid of rich people, its about giving what little money we have to those…….etc…spinecrusher where did we get that money who is we

Fact: The liberals all hide when its’s work or are they all watching Glenn Beck!

cjd ohio 1 said:
this fight isnt about getting rid of rich people, its about giving what little money we have to those…….etc…spinecrusher where did we get that money who is we

I know you’re trying to say something, or ask something…I just can’t tell what it is?

If you could please repost in a more coherant manner I’d be happy to respond.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Sorry, RL, I couldn’t resist because you misspelled a word while you were in the middle or ridiculing tea-partiers for their spelling errors. It’s called irony.

But you must admit there’s a big difference in a forgotten “M” and this:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/galleries/teabonics_the_flawed_language_of_protest/teabonics_the_flawed_language_of_protest.html

Just4thefax said:
Fact: You just can’t help those who can’t help themselves that’s the Fact! You lost when you started posting that’s it!

Translation: I’m digging myself deeper and deeper because I have no substance in my statements.

you said it spinecrusher, damn forget already

it was your quote

True RL, but are spelling errors really a partisan issue? I don’t think so, I just had to tease you because of the irony of the situation. Now what did you think of my article? Oh and I’d highly recommend watching Beck’s show on right now, it’s about self-reliance.

I am sorry .
I am lonely .
Barack Obama is great.
Hope and change .
Yes we can.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Translation: I’m digging myself deeper and deeper because I have no substance in my statements.

HAHAHA! Thanks for the laughs, but it makes me sad at the same time. These are grownups who can’t spell…what has happened to our educational system? and it’s not just the public system…as a side note:

My father-in-law was talking about how his niece had been brought up in a well respected Christian school, but unfortunately the costs to keep her there kept increasing so his brother couldn’t afford it anymore and they had to send her to public school. Of course they were concerned that she wouldn’t get the level of education that she had at the previous, private Christian, school…but you get what you pay for, right?

Turns out, once they tested her at the public school…she’s 3 years behind in her math skills and 1 year behind in reading comprehension.

So it’s not just the public schools that are failing, it’s a social issue. We simply do not seem to care about educating our youth properly.

You can tell by many of the posts on this “Rush” subject, that these are not young people…and the educational system has failed them as well.

Yet, more money via tax cuts for the already well-off, well-educated and not hurting at all from the recent economic conditions…are all some of these posters can talk about.

for shame, for shame

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Translation: I’m digging myself deeper and deeper because I have no substance in my statements.

Fact: No posting the facts to you is like posting it in the vast vacuum of space it just doesn’t stick!

take their money, yeah the rich dont need it………..the rates stay the same as the are now

Uh Limbaugh, I thought the Pledge to America was the GOP’s vision Didn’t anyone read that?

cjd ohio 1 said:
take their money, yeah the rich dont need it………..the rates stay the same as the are now

Fact: You got that liberals!

cjd ohio 1 said:
take their money, yeah the rich dont need it………..the rates stay the same as the are now

So you’re under the impression that all of the taxpayer dollars belong to the wealthy? So 18% of every paycheck that goes to the government is actually the property of our countries wealthiest 2%?

I’m not sure I’m understanding you…this goes back to my last post about education…you’re making me very sad.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
True RL, but are spelling errors really a partisan issue? I don’t think so, I just had to tease you because of the irony of the situation. Now what did you think of my article? Oh and I’d highly recommend watching Beck’s show on right now, it’s about self-reliance.

Fact: I’m sure you lost them on that point! What the hell you can always steal it right!

and 35% percent of their goes to the government

paychecks go to the government

you act like it is the governments money spinecrusher, its not

cjd ohio 1 said:
and 35% percent of their goes to the government

cjd ohio 1 said:
paychecks go to the government

Fact: Hammer those liberals!

cjd ohio 1 said:
you act like it is the governments money spinecrusher, its not

Fact: Like batman! Boom bang Bip Bonk Kick some ass!

cjd ohio 1 said:
you act like it is the governments money spinecrusher, its not

The money American’s pay in taxes goes to the government to be used for the public. It is paid by all Americans, can we agree on that? In general, the wealthy have accountants that find many manners in which to reduce, if not completely remove, any tax liability on their behalf. Are you aware of that?

It’s not about ownership, it’s about control…who control’s the taxpayer money..the government…So I still don’t understand what it is you’re getting at.

You can’t choose NOT to pay into Social Security and you cannot TAKE IT BACK whenever you want (although I’d love to get it back and never pay in again, but nobody has that option)

“and 35% percent of their goes to the governmentand” – 35% is not true…you are either being deliberately dishonest, are making a blanket statement showing your personal lack of knowledge on the subject or are simply uninformed. Either way, tax codes are different depending upon the situation.

“paychecks go to the government” – sorry I don’t know what country you live in because I get a paycheck direct deposited into my personal account every couple of weeks.

anyway, I’m done explaining to you what could be learned in a 5th grade Social Studies class.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Like batman! Boom bang Bip Bonk Kick some ass!

You are the perfect example of how our educational system is failing us and why more needs to be done.

then maybe the government should close those loopholes you mentioned above…. 35% is the top tax rate

or maybe a flat tax of 15% with no deductions for anyone, plus a national sales tax

cjd ohio 1 said:
or maybe a flat tax of 15% with no deductions for anyone, plus a national sales tax

Now you’re talking like a Socialist, there might be some room for compromise. :)

same for everyone, you call it socialist fine, i dont,

cjd ohio 1 said:
same for everyone, you call it socialist fine, i dont,

“same for everyone” is actually a Communist philosophy…don’t worry, I won’t tell anyone.

OK, so most of you who have looked up as I flew over your homes know my airplane has 2 right wings. I had it custom built because I didn’t want to give the impression I would have anything to do with any left wing crap.

However, I am really disappointed with the Republicans who, in order to “sweeten the deal” on the continuance of the Bush tax cuts, added pork barrel spending to the bill. CRIPES, they are no better than the Democrats when it comes to fiscal responsibility; they see no more clearly than the Democrats when it comes to realizing that unless they lead the way with some fiscal responsibility the debt is going to go UP. Senator Chuck Grassley–a man whom I have admired for some time–is even in on the act. %(#*&#@&)!!!!!

To Democrats & Republicans posting here: We are being played the fool. We are being controlled by our elected representatives and NOT the other way around! They serve US, WE don’t serve them! Their collective strategy is to keep us bickering amongst ourselves while they sell us down the river. This is wrong! Don’t allow yourselves to be played for a fool. Decide today that you will work for those things that have made America the greatest country that has ever existed and when you see your elected representatives straying from this country’s founding principals, find someone else to entrust with your vote who will keep the vision of America alive.

SpineCrusher said:
You can’t choose NOT to pay into Social Security and you cannot TAKE IT BACK whenever you want (although I’d love to get it back and never pay in again, but nobody has that option)

I would submit for your consideration that we CAN take it back but ONLY if we vote in unison to do so.

same tax rate, not same income for everyone but nice try spinecrusher

cjd ohio 1 said:
same tax rate, not same income for everyone but nice try spinecrusher

It is not the same tax rate, we are all put into different brackets determined by our income.

Have you ever filled out a tax return?

your communist remark, not the flat tax remark

no shit, i know the tax brackets now

listen carefully, a flat tax of 15% on all income for everyone. People that make 10,000….15%, people that make 100,000 ….15%. That would be fair. National sales tax…….5% for everthing but food. Easy tax system. Not communist or socialist just fair

progressive tax brackets breed people who dodge taxes, and people who pay no income taxes…….

Nahu Tuk said:
I would submit for your consideration that we CAN take it back but ONLY if we vote in unison to do so.

I’m with you on that!

But how do we get that done? I completely agree with you on your previous post as well. They DO want us bickering amongst ourselves. The perfect cover to avoid addressing the economic classism that is behind these decisions.

I have nothing against people being wealthy, it’s when they take more than they need while others are getting less and less (minimum wage, cost of living increases, job availability, job wages, outsourcing, loopholes in the tax codes).

It won’t end without a revolution..the numbers continue to trend towards the country’s wealth moving more and more towards the top 1% of earners. They’re not working any harder, they’ve just been given the ability to influence (control?) our government even easier.

cjd ohio 1 said:
listen carefully, a flat tax of 15% on all income for everyone. People that make 10,000….15%, people that make 100,000 ….15%. That would be fair. National sales tax…….5% for everthing but food. Easy tax system. Not communist or socialist just fair

fair does not = capitalism, and that’s the economic society we have.

But I agree with you…we need to change the current tax structure, drastically. I’m open to the idea of a flat tax personally, as long as they remove corporation’s abilities to dodge them.

Exxon Mobile paid no taxes last year, had record profits, and got over a million in returns. Is that fair?

who determines “when they take more than they need”

hey flat tax would be for everyone……no exemptions….. but no one would be able to buy elections, so it will never happen

fair does=capitalism, as long as the tax rules are the same for everyone

cjd ohio 1 said:
who determines “when they take more than they need”

when they spend millions of dollars to lobby congress to fight for further tax cuts…they are asking to take more of the pie than they need.

They are not unemployed, they are not in dire straights…they do NOT need the extra money.

yet they are holding up legislation for people who desperatley NEED assistance….all in the name of greed

dont generalize, what dollar amount? you cannot govern like that

well congress does that ….greed

Jon Martin said:
Does anyone actually read what this guy says? Why? his “facts” aren’t facts. What a useless poster, I usually just scroll down if I see your picture XD

I see the pic and think there is the ” little FAT FACT MAN ” lol

SpineCrusher said:
You are the perfect example of how our educational system is failing us and why more needs to be done.

Fact: Your right it’s been so long since I received my college degrees and put away for my retirement my whole life why not just pass on social security benefits since really don’t need them anyway and pay for my own healthcare. Oh I forgot the liberals are forcing me to start withdrawing SS when it’s due plus I’m forced to use inferior government run healthcare (Medicare). Who’s failing who!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Your right it’s been so long since I received my college degrees and put away for my retirement my whole life why not just pass on social security benefits since really don’t need them anyway and pay for my own healthcare. Oh I forgot the liberals are forcing me to start withdrawing SS when it’s due plus I’m forced to use inferior government run healthcare (Medicare). Who’s failing who!

Where did you get your degree(s), Bob’s college? You are among the dumbest shits to ever post. Perhaps that is what you and the draft dodger, Limbaugh, have in common, A couple of low lifes. I mean bottom of the fucking barrel. scum if you will. Is that clear?

Im thankful Limbaugh wasn’t around during the 60′s, or else the south may have never gotten rid of Jim Crowe laws

Good thing Rush wasn’t around during the 1960′s, or the south would may not have gotten rid of Jim Crowe laws

sorry didn’t mean to post twice

SarahP said:
Where did you get your degree(s), Bob’s college? You are among the dumbest shits to ever post. Perhaps that is what you and the draft dodger, Limbaugh, have in common, A couple of low lifes. I mean bottom of the fucking barrel. scum if you will. Is that clear?

Fact:
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Jon Martin said:
A mature response might have been to vote what you actually support and vote against what you don’t support, to make the American people’s lives easier and “freer”.

Sort of like what libs /progs do? Give me a break, the left in government says what they think the lazy assholes who elect them want to hear, and then they go play golf. Why do you think there are so many millionairess among democrats in congress?

timzank says:
December 10, 2010 at 4:30 pm timzank(Quote)
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The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I work for a public university while I’m attending school if you must know. When I’m not at school I’m at home helping my mother take care of my blind father and autistic siblings.Now that you’ve heard my life story please tell me this; where are the jobs those tax breaks were supposed to produce?

So your and your families income is derived from other peoples tax revenues, correct?

So what part of REAL work and REAL responsibility don’t you understand, conservative? Well? Or is it that somebody here that doesn’t think it’s all about them, huh, right-winger? Typical.

Well, conservatives, how does it feel to always be on the side of wrong? Rush is rich, you are not. Haha. It’s so funny how you keep supporting this fat, drugged up loser.

Just4thefax says:
December 10, 2010 at 4:03 pm Just4thefax(Quote)
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BFD said:
And it astounds me that it doesn’t bother you that the rich keep getting richer at the expense of the middle class.Their control of Americas wealth has doubled and doubled again since the 70’s. When will it be enough for you teabloggers?You are a fucking whore for everything that is wrong with country right now.

Fcat: Earn it your self lazy dumb shit! go to school get a grade apply what you learn and get it yourself and quit being a klepto

You must be one of the smarter Dittoheads. Seig Heil!

As in all past decades, he’s sitting on that “vision.”

The reason this bill should be defeated is because of all the pork-barrel spending that has been piled into it…. including a renewal of the 45-cent-a -gallon ethanol subsidy. But also some funds for sports arenas and other earmarks.

Yeah right, “Republican vision” Sabotaging Obama and the Dems unless they give in to the continuation of the Republican tax cuts to to those making $250,000 or higher. IOW tax cuts to the super rich and not to those who most need it, deserve, the middle class and below. The super wealthy are most capable for paying taxes. Yes I realize Obama gave in to the Repuglicans. I feel somewhat encouraged Nancy Pelosi is willing and hopefully can do something to reverse this repugnant decision by our president.

and more taxes on the rich will save the economy?

SpineCrusher said:
I’m with you on that! But how do we get that done? I completely agree with you on your previous post as well. They DO want us bickering amongst ourselves. The perfect cover to avoid addressing the economic classism that is behind these decisions. I have nothing against people being wealthy, it’s when they take more than they need while others are getting less and less (minimum wage, cost of living increases, job availability, job wages, outsourcing, loopholes in the tax codes). It won’t end without a revolution..the numbers continue to trend towards the country’s wealth moving more and more towards the top 1% of earners. They’re not working any harder, they’ve just been given the ability to influence (control?) our government even easier.

Thank you for your willingness to engage in what I hope you will find to be a worthwhile dialogue. I don’t claim to have all the answers but I might have a few that are worthy of consideration.

First, “We the People” have to find our common ground and lay aside our bickering about petty crap long enough to launch our “peaceful” revolt. (I hope it can be a peaceful one–I truly do!) Having found our common ground, we would have to become politically active and communicate clearly that unless our demands are met by those in office, we will vote in unison to send them home. Of course, they wouldn’t believe us at first, but after one or two elections, we could have our elected representatives jumping through OUR hoops for a change, and not the other way around.

Perhaps the first “assault” would rightfully be against that tax code you mentioned–I think it basically SUX! There is no reason why our tax code is some 60,000 pages; it is those loopholes you mentioned that make it so. IF we had a flat tax (consumption tax or national sales tax, if you will) that was both: 1. set at a fixed rate that could not be changed without a 2/3 majority of both the House and Senate, and; 2. exempted necessities such as food and non-luxury items, there is no reason why the tax code would be more than 10 pages. Disbanding the IRS would take ~100,000 bureaucrats off the Federal payrolls and that money could go toward paying off the national debt. The downside is that the tax preparers’ lobby would go apoplectic, but it would be best overall for the country.

Another item would necessarily be to DEMAND a thorough evaluation of ALL government agencies, offices, and bureaus, overseen by an independent accounting firm, to see where the fat can be cut. Such a report would have to be published and, again, “We the People” would have to get off our asses to review it. Offhand, I would envision that such a review would consider: 1. fulfillment of mission; 2. budgetary impact, and: 3. redundancy. One entity that has NEVER fulfilled its mission is the Department of Energy, and since ~1975 they’ve been sucking down ~$21 billion/year. I know we must have a military, and I want our military to be the best equipped military in the world, but I believe it can be run more efficiently. In many cases, various agencies, offices, and bureaus cover the same ground as do others; this is especially true in HHS, HUD, Dept. Ed., but DOJ, DHS, and State often overlap in their missions. Why not combine those functions? Furthermore, why not DEMAND that they secure our borders and round up and deport all the CRIMINAL aliens who are sucking down our tax dollars and taking our jobs? I’m not saying these are the only areas to cut the budget; there are MANY others.

Just as you and I have to balance our budgets, so should the government, and a balanced budget Amendment is desperately needed in our Constitution.

I don’t know where you are on healthcare, but if it’s anything like Medicare and Social Security, it’s going to be costly. I’ve read some 1100 pages of the bill and aside from being one of the more ambiguous documents I’ve ever laid eyes on, I have found where it calls for the addition of some 60 NEW government agencies/bureaus–ALL of which will suck down more taxpayer dollars. I’m told the bill calls for ~200 new government offices! I’m not against people having healthcare who need it and can’t afford it but I’m also aware of 4 Federal laws that require doctors and hospitals to provide lifesaving care to patients, regardless of their ability to pay. All I’m saying is there has to be a better way.

I believe a lot of our country’s problems are born in the fact that DC is full of lobbyists and their special interest groups–these people get the laws passed that you and I have to suffer under. It is only too rare that we see some schnook of a congressman or senator prosecuted for taking bribes. My idea is that lobbyists should be hanged from every tree on Pennsylvania Avenue, but that’s just me. If “We the People” DEMAND an end to special interest money poured into our representatives pockets and a special and independent investigative agency to make certain it doesn’t happen, we have a chance of turning things around. If we set on our asses, nothing will happen except that things will get worse.

We have to embrace the reality of the present and prepare now for our future. In case you haven’t noticed, American schools (run by the Department of Education), suck bigtime! There are lots of sources to look at but here is one: http://www.all4ed.org/files/IntlComp_FactSheet.pdf If DoE will not or cannot improve its performance, we have to DEMAND vouchers so our kids can get a decent education at a private school. I have had the sad experience of supervising engineers and technicians who had impressive GPAs but their skills were not up to par and most of them couldn’t write a coherent report if their lives depended on it. I had one engineer who eventually went back to school so “they could learn him how to write.” (Sheesh!)

So, you have a few menu items. Which one do you want to work on first? The important thing is that you become active in effecting change; be on a first-name basis with your congressperson and both senators. I write my reps once per week. I try to keep it respectful but communicate my expectations in no uncertain terms. I hope you will do the same.

SpineCrusher said:
I have nothing against people being wealthy, it’s when they take more than they need while others are getting less and less (minimum wage, cost of living increases, job availability, job wages, outsourcing, loopholes in the tax codes).

A couple of questions/remarks on your statement:

1. What does “take more than they need” mean? Should we not try to earn all we possibly can? I’ve always tried to do that. I hope you have, too. If we are not allowed to earn as much as our talents and abilities allow, we are not in a capitalistic system. Back when I was struggling in life, I had some resentment for the rich, but as I matured, I realized that if I wanted more money, I would have to work harder and smarter for it. I hope you will check into Jon Huntsman Sr. He wrote a book entitled “Winners Never Cheat.” It’s an easy read about a billionaire who has vowed to die broke.

2. You mentioned minimum wage. I know you have seen some people earning minimum wage who aren’t worth half what they’re being paid. Normally, capitalism enables people to earn as much as they’re worth, but since there are some unethical people who would practically enslave others, minimum wage is a necessity.

3. Cost of living increases apply mainly to those who work for government and are on SS. I was disappointed to learn that one of my retired neighbors hasn’t gotten an increase in SS for the last two years. Why? Because two years ago, the method to calculate cost of living was changed to exclude costs for fuel and food. Who did that to us and why did they do it?

4. Outsourcing is a real issue needing action, but what action? Have you considered that the US has the 2nd highest corporate taxes in the free world? Have you considered that regulations enacted in 1974 have made it impossible to build a new oil refinery in the US because the emission standards STILL cannot be achieved? This is one part of the outsourcing problem and it’s getting worse by the day: http://economyincrisis.org/content/more-american-factories-closing
But the other part is that our labor costs us more and the products we produce are non-competitive. Protectionism is not the answer; that has been tried and it fails miserably every time. The answer is in decreasing regulations on businesses, decreasing taxes–especially on heavy manufacturers–and busting unions. (The last part might not sit well with you but it’s a major factor in our economic problems and unions are one of the most heavily represented lobbying groups in DC.)

5. If you look at the drivers for cost of living, I believe you would see a “hockey stick” curve beginning about 1940. By 1955, the US saw a rapid increase in the numbers of homes where both partners worked. There are a LOT of theories on why this happened but one theory is that taxes went up dramatically during that time. Everyone got slammed.