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Texas School District Looks To ‘Abstinence-Plus’ Curriculum After ‘Abstinence-Only’ Proves Ineffective

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96 percent of schools in Texas school districts teach abstinence-only; it’s not really working, though. Reports from the Lone State are grim: as a state, they rank fifth for most teen pregnancies, fourth for highest rate of syphilis among teens, and third for the most young people infected with HIV. “These are girls as young as 13 that are pregnant, some of them are on their second pregnancies,” Tracy Dees, a supervisor of health services, told Texas Tribune. Feeling the heat, Dee’s Midland district — the West Texas town George W. calls home — has begun shifting their sex education efforts from abstinence-only to abstinence-plus, a program that emphasizes abstinence but is comprehensive in contraceptive and safe sex practice. And according to the Tribune, Midland is not alone in conceding to the failures of abstinence-only education; although still a minority, more and more districts are moving towards “-plus” programs.

“It’s like we’re beyond this argument of abstinence, abstinence plus. Districts want something that works,” Susan Tortoler, the director of University of Texas’ Prevention Research Center, told the Tribune. “-plus” programs make way for hormones, and can act as a corrective for any information or mis-information kids get from television, friends and the internet, she says. And she assures, “kids aren’t getting aroused when they see a condom.”

Also influencial in many districts push for abstinence-plus is the fact that federal support for abstinence-only has waned. Whereas the Bush Administration offered significant financial support for those programs, the Obama Administration has emphasized “evidence-based” prevention programs. Evidence for many abstinence-only programs lagging, districts are finding it harder to get the federal support they need.

This is all not to give up hope that abstinence has it’s benefits, it’s just accepting that it hasn’t proven successful. Also quoted in the Tribune piece is pastor and abstinence educator Ed Ainsworth as saying that, “Most people take the path of the least resistance.” He asks:

Will a condom protect your heart? As a female, will a condom protect your reputation? It might protect you from getting pregnant, it might protect you from getting a disease, but there’s no way it will protect your heart, mind, emotions, and reputation. There’s no way. So how can we call it safe?

And in many ways he’s right, particularly in communities where waiting until marriage to have sex is taken as the moral high ground. But the fact remains that condoms do prevent disease and pregnancy no matter what your age or marital status, and it’s interesting to see Texas school systems begin to take account of that fact.

H/T Jezebel

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  • Tony the Fist

    These M&M’s are horrible.

  • Bikerk

    Thanks for a great laugh today, Tony!

  • SouthernYankee

    Isn’t funny how republicans ALWAYS talk about keeping government out of our lives except when it comes to the bedroom.  Then they want to be right along side of you.  What is wrong with teaching both absintence and protection?   I don’t understand why they would want their precious child getting pregnant.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V4OUPLCINOL723CGHVR53CQ72Y Kevin

    Because, SY, they don’t think *their* precious child is going to be the one getting pregnant, because *their* child is a good upright moral girl, not some slut, which they define as anyone who has sex before she’s married. And we all know the proper punishment for being a slut is either getting pregnant, catching a potentially fatal disease, or preferably both, because that’s the only way to scare children into not being sluts.

  • Anonymous

    if parents would only do their jobs as parents

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    Is everyone in Texas as ignorant as their Governor??

  • Irish189

    Gee, abstinence only classes don’t work, nobody can honestly be surprised by that

  • Anonymous

    Mediaite suddenly decides to scrutinize the success of tiny, obscure programs in Texas.   I wonder if it has any connection to the threat to Obama posed by a Texas politician.

  • Anonymous

    Lmao!! Why is it that people with the most talk and programs of abstinence are always the ones failing to be chaste?

  • Anonymous

    wow…..what a stretch……..lol

    You must love conspiracies!

  • Jason

    It’s hardly a conspiracy. Do you actually think Zara the Moonbat would be obsessing over such a random and trivial issue if Rick Perry wasn’t the Governor?

    By the way, abstinence only doesn’t work 100% of the time, and I don’t know of anyone who thinks it does.

    I’d be interested to see Zara do a follow up story on where most of the teen pregnancies are located in the state, also.

  • Anonymous

    lol…..you may be right but unless Zara tells us, we would never know her motivations for reporting this issue. However, as a conspiracist, you must find causation form correlation

  • Anonymous

    Another 15th century Republican policy result on display. Ever notice these losers are wrong about everything?

  • Jmpwawoo

    Got a shocker for you, your parents had sex, your grandparents had sex, and their parents had sex. A lot of sex, a lot of sex with people they did not marry or were not married to. 

  • Darladoon

    and tell their kids to use condoms and birth control and lubrication

    indeed

    but these christian people don’t do that….

  • Anonymous

    Why can’t they just shut up about it, and teach scholastic subjects?

  • Anonymous

    people dont do that…..they pawn it off on schools to do

  • http://www.yourpredator.com Hunter Coch

    Because parents wont do their jobs. 

  • http://www.yourpredator.com Hunter Coch

    Because parents wont do their jobs. 

  • Darladoon

    i agree

    but you can’t be in denial about the fact that many parents don’t do that

    so we have a problem on our hands which NEEDS to be solved by schools, right?

    i know you wanna ignore the problem and hope it goes away, but as for myself,
    i’d rather face the challenge head on.

    and btw, liberal parents do a much better job of educating their children
    about sex, hence the lower pregnancy rate in cities like……san francisco,
    seattle, portland, etc

    it’s cities and towns where there a lot of religious conservatives that you have higher
    pregnancy rates

    and catholics are, by far, the worst

  • Anonymous

    and the inner cities…….needs to be solved by schools because of lazy parents? no.  hence you get more lazy parents and they think the schools or the state should do all the parenting.  feed, cloth, teach ,care for emotion health.     aiding parents and enabling them to be lazy are two different things

  • Sharpo

    you’re too dumb to admit that abstinence doesn’t work. even churches admit that young men and women are gonna have sex.

    LOLZ you’re dumber than a cancer cell. at least a cancer cell can do something. You can’t even do that.

  • Sharpo

    why are you a poosey?

  • Sharpo

    cjdohio1 is too stupid to admit that young men and women are gonna have sex

    churches are admitting it, why won’t you? are you 300 years old?

  • Sharpo

    you can’t even post your real name beside your comment, so why should we believe anything of what YOU say?

  • Anonymous

    pussy….you to stupid to spell

  • Anonymous

    lol i said its not the schools job to teach that to kids, its the parents job to teach about sex.   sorry you are to dumb to understand. now go back and be a drain on society

  • http://twitter.com/KMBReferee Mr. Ref

    I thought this was a media website. What does this have to do with anything media-related, other than to advance their social agenda?

  • Anonymous

    but cjd, the problem with this specific topic area is that STDs can be passed or a pregnancy could occur.  *if* a kid was lucky, the STD is bacterial and easily treatable (chlamydia/gonorrhea).  STDs of the viral nature are more problematic (HPV; HIV; HSV, etc.)  and then there’s that pesky potential human life that right wingers must defend above all else.

    so, does it suck that schools have to pick up the slack in caring/educating children that their parents aren’t?  absolutely.  but since we are talking about CHILDREN, i want them educated, protected and have a safe place to talk about s-e-x if they feel they can’t trust their parents/guardian.

    i’m okay with enabling parents if it means kids don’t have STDs and pregnancies.  i’m not happy about it.  f*ck no.  but those kids are worth more to me than their useless parents. 

  • Anonymous

    i understand and see your points avoidswork, not saying i have all the answers, but if we enable the parents the cycle will never be broken……..its  a catch 22

  • Anonymous

    did ya miss the point about the FAILURES of the abstinence only programs?  and that some places in Texas are now changing it due to the DUH statistics of: it.doesn’t.work.?

    since you don’t have girly parts and all, Texas’s “abstinence-only” programs, Federal Funding and failures have been discussed for YEARS in circles of people that are concerned about sex education, preventing STDs, preventing unwanted pregnancies and increasing the health of the sexually active.

    sorry, bub.  this isn’t about Perry per se, but another one of Texas’s many, many failures governor after governor. 

  • Anonymous

    Sure they do, liberals just tell their kids the story of slick willey, algore’s shockra release program, John “the breck girl” Edwards an his dying wife… Barney teabagger Frank…

  • Anonymous

    Where is your name?

  • insideguy

     But But Texas is a red state so many staunch religious conservatives! I didn’t think they had sex until they were happily married! I say they put chastity belts on them all watch the teenage birth rate quadruple lol.

  • Anonymous

    More to do with the threat to the children posed by the Texas politicians by making every effort to dumb down the text books and destroying sex education.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a LIBERAL media website. Blah blah blah republicans bad… Bush lied…. Abstinence is stupid… (BUT it works every time it is practiced!)  Creationism…. Iraq bad… We’ll show you in 2012….. But what about NY-9, NV and Wisconsin recall failures?… YOU are a racist!…..More name calling…. personal insults… “Most Americans think/say/do”….

  • http://twitter.com/Staciisa_bitch Staci Chase

    You seem almost as naive as the Palins

  • http://twitter.com/Staciisa_bitch Staci Chase

    There not too successful in Texas.

  • http://twitter.com/Staciisa_bitch Staci Chase

    These Republicans really need to put down their bibles and get back to reality.  

  • insideguy

     I swear you guys live in some alternate reality.

  • insideguy

     Well Ill give them credit they may be stupid but they have figured out how to put a penis in a vagina a lot.

  • Anonymous

    Like Yvonne on the Gawker/obama depression thread…

    “For your information BigEd, Bush initiated this deal,Not President. but
    of course you fruitloops wouldn’t know because you don’t research
    anything you just spit out BS,and you look even worse than you already
    do! And business ventures are a RISK everybody takes& China flooded
    the market.As far as your assumption Dem lost because Teabaggers are
    well liked,NO, Dems are getting rid of the seat in redistricting,so it
    doesn’t matter,hence low turnout& majority of Weiners district is
    Catholic not Jewish.Catholics picked a Catholic,just like you teabaggers
    do, you pick baggers. When you lose all your rights with republican
    rule& you will,D,I,R&TP will suffer.ALL will.”

    NY-9 is “catholic”, huh? Let’s see what Chuck U Schumer said about that:

    “Schumer, who represented NY-9 for 18 years, insisted the district is about 75 percent the same today, geographically speaking, as it was when he was in office, but drastically different when it comes to demographics. There are more Orthodox Jews, he said, and also more immigrants, making the district skew even more conservative than it had been back in his day…Why did the Democrats lose this race in a part of town where they hold a 3-1 registration advantage? Well, at least in part, because the district has just become too darned Jewish!

    Alternate Reality check.

  • insideguy

     What the hell does this have to do with texas teenagers banging like rabbits and getting knocked up? As I said you must be on another planet.

  • Thomas G Williams

    the last two Governors, that’s when all the whako educational garbage started, guess it is that if they were born with a silver penis stuck up their…..they must be perfect GoPers and therefor worthy of being the highest of the should have gotten high Texass repthuglican party.

  • Mandingo ate your baby

    Congratulations, you just passed half of the sex ed course in Texas with a proper spelling. 

  • Mandingo ate your baby

    No, because Perry recently told an interviewer he had first hand knowledge that abstinence only teaching worked.  And actually many female students have been able to remain virgins…..vaginally anyway.

  • Anonymous

    naive no, but good to know you are a slut

  • Anonymous

    and maybe you could close your legs slut

  • http://twitter.com/Staciisa_bitch Staci Chase

    You’re just another immature right winger. 

  • http://twitter.com/Staciisa_bitch Staci Chase

    Actually your more naive than the Palins. 

  • Limpbaals

    Maybe you goons could stop furiously pawing at your pants for whatever braindead bimbo the Fox Idiot Channel has decided to plaster on the TV, the children would learn something important that doesnt involve drooling over lady bits on the propaganda chan.

  • Kaseysplanet

    They are fascinated with the developing situation.

  • Anonymous

    How does Barack Obama’s Illinois and or his new found home of Washington D. C. fall in the ratings compared to our next president of the United States of America, Rick Perry’s great stateof Texas….you left wing bomb throwing ( don’t give a rat’s ass about children in Texas ) lap dog tools?

  • Anonymous

    What part of ABSTINENCE don’t those little lone star critters understand, anyway?  Just Don’t Do It!

  • Anonymous

    Sex education of any sort, whether abstinence only or anything else is “government in your bedroom”.  50 Years of liberal dogma has forced the government into the bedroom in this regard.  Most conservatives would be happy to take sex education out of schools all together.  But since that isn’t happening, they are as entitled as anyone to have a say in their childrens curriculum. 

  • Calicopaisley

    Hi, this reply is actually for avoidswork. 
    “Pesky” human life?
    My friend, I am absolutely bar-none hands-down pro-choice
    but please, please
    DO NOT belittle the subject of human life in our debate. You are effectively trivializing the pro-choice side of the argument by dismissing the weight of human life and childbearing. These are things that always should be acknowledge, even if we are involved in a debate about when the time is necessary to terminate them. 
    Thank you, I know my post is not relevant to the discussion but this incensed me to write.

  • Anonymous

    Whereas the Bush Administration offered significant financial support
    for those programs, the Obama Administration has emphasized
    “evidence-based” prevention programs

    Evidence based???……………….  that can’t possibly work.

  • Anonymous

    Conservatives aren’t in people’s bedrooms? You’d better check the law books again.

    When kids are old enough they ought to be taught the facts in health class so at least they make their choices on the correct information. Young men need to be taught to be respectful and young women need to be taught to to resist the pressure to do something they want to and are not ready for. Hopefully good parents are doing that, but it’s also helpful to have those discussions in school among peers.
    Conservatives may have the right to teach abstinence only but their moral righteousness if foolish. It simply doesn’t work. Look at the stats for TX.
    Better to teach our kids the facts and how to make good responsible choices than try to force a moral view on them.

  • Anonymous

    I think that’s a valid point but I see the parents role and the schools role as two different things , not competing or enabling.
    If parents are lazy and uninvolved or if they are to controlling and dominating, kids at least get some facts and other input from school. They’re going to get it from kids , so why not have the school at least supplying some facts.  

  • Anonymous

    @ef1175c05bf27b2a5b369b70d3cbf67c:disqus

    So someone has a different opinion and has a polite respectful conversation with others and you feel compelled to jump in with insults and name calling? Now that is stupid. remember the old adage;

    Better to be silent and have people think you’re a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

  • Anonymous

    But, like you said, some parents don’t(some of them even take their kids out of sex ed lessons so they can avoid the issue completely, which is a stupid move). Schools kinda have to fill in the gaps.

    With this attitude you might as well be saying “screw all the unlucky kids with uncaring/unknowledgable parents”. When you look at states with good sex ed programs in their schools, you find lower teen pregnancy and STD rates, so what is the problem? It’s clearly doing good.

  • Anonymous

    Ooh judgemental and misogynistic, as well. Grow up.

  • Anonymous

    It is well known that evidence has a liberal bias.   Same with “facts.”

  • Anonymous

    And yet abstinence was how it worked before. How did we go from 25% illegitimate births in the 1950s to 70% illegitimate births in 2000? Because they had better birth control in 1950? Because they had more abortions in 1950? No, of course not. It was because they had less sex before marriage. There is no other explanation.

  • Anonymous

    No, no, no… my Dad never told me to use condoms. He told me, “If you ever get a girl in trouble, come tell me about it because I want to beat the crap out of you before her father gets ahold of you.” I was lucky. I took my Dad fully ten minutes to describe to my sister everything he’d do to her if she ever came down pregnant. Back in those days, we went to school to learn academic subjects, not to supplement a lack of parenting.

  • Anonymous

    No, it really doesn’t follow that because the parents are deficient, the schools need to pick up the slack. Why the schools? Why not the grocery stores? Why not the police deparment? Why not the IRS? Why not the Baptist Church? Why not CNN? We already have CPS (Child Protective Services) in every city. Why not have them teach the parents? It’s the parents who need to learn parenting, not the kids.

  • Alleahna

    Get real. Government doesn’t go any place the citizens of this country don’t demand that they go. Prohibition was a movement supported by conservatives and liberal citizens alike and the only reason Gov’t got involved was because the politicians wanted to win elections and support from Prohibition activists was crucial. Voila! 18th Amendment. Same with abstinence programs. Conservatives want to get elected, they have to pander to the Abstinence only crowd, despite overwhelming evidence it does’t work. Voila! Abstinence only funding.

    I do notice that despite reports years ago that abstinence-only programs weren’t working Texas didn’t move to the -plus programs until there was less Federal money for abstinence-only programs. Way to go protecting the future of your state, Texas. But of course, it’s only the Godless who get STD’s and abortions, so it’s alright if THEY suffer. /sarcasm

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3VUFTUN5223ITCWO7CHS2CI44A David

    Abstinence works for those that abstain and saying no to drugs works if you say no, I never could.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3VUFTUN5223ITCWO7CHS2CI44A David

    You must be a roman catholic priest.

  • Anonymous

    “Illegitimate” is a highly subjective term that doesn’t say anything about how stable or welcoming an environment a child is brought into. Does that uncited statistic included divorced mothers, couples in long term committed relationships that aren’t marriage, pregnancies from an affair during a marriage or births fewer than 9 months from the wedding?

    There are a pants load of explanations that aren’t “our parents’/grandparents’ generations where chaste little darlings”.

  • Warren

    Did you miss the part about Dubya’s program. It seems to me the right wing bible thumpers want to be in my bedroom more than liberals. Didn’t Perry force young teen girls to be inoculated against sexually transmitted disease. You should look at who’s dogma is actually in play here.

  • BeenThere

    Politics isn’t the problem here.  Here’s some first hand information, having served as a mentor in Texas (Democratic district, but it doesn’t matter)..  There are a lot of middle school girls who WANT to have babies.   They want a baby of their own, to love and be loved by.  These teenage (and younger) girls see it as a viable lifestyle option, and they’re right.  Sex education won’t have any effect on these girls – it’s one end of the societal norm.

  • Anonymous

    There isn’t? Are you sure? Can you show me where you’re getting your stats from?

    Just off the top of my head I’m wondering who qualifies as illegitimate
    children. Lot’s more couples now have children, still live together,
    don’t get married. I’m guessing back in the fifties there was pressure
    and a fairly common practice of people getting married when after they had sex before marriage and discovered they were pregnant.  That  means the children weren’t illegitimate but still the product of sex before marriage.

    The failure ob abstinence only is the ONLY part, not abstinence. It’s good to teach them that waiting is a smart choice and to not be pressured by their peers.  The idea that teaching teenagers the facts about sex and contraception encourages them to rush into it, while keeping them ignorant and preaching abstinence prevents sex and unwanted pregnancy is out of touch with reality.
    I taught my daughters that no boy who truly cared about them and respected them would ever pressure them into sex when they weren’t ready, and that sex is playing with fire. I’d rather have them come to me or their Mom and ask about contraception then end up pregnant or with some STD. 

  • http://pickwaynesbrain.wordpress.com Wayne A. Schneider

    Just out of curiosity, does this website employ editors, or anyone else for that matter, to do proofreading?

  • Mandingo ate your baby

    Jewish mothers always stress the value of a good blowjob to their daughters.  The abstinence part actually comes after the marriage.

  • Mandingo ate your baby

    In a report out today, it’s noted many employers now value higher E.Q., emotional quotient than I.Q. in new hires.  C.D.J. would not get a call back interview. 

  • vkkv

    Hey, it’s Baja Oklahoma, what’d you expect?

  • Ted

    Abstinence only DOES NOT WORK, when will you people realize this? When will you have evidence that it DOES work? Why do comparatively “godless” countries like Sweden or Denmark have such lower teen pregnancy rates when they have less conservative stances on sexuality? When will we cast off these antiquated puritan views of sex?

  • Ted

    Also, would someone care to point out how it is constitutional to teach Christian-derived “abstinence only” education to high school students who don’t follow that religion? Separation of church and state, right?

  • Nature Freak

    “particularly in communities where waiting until marriage to have sex is taken as the moral high ground’

    This may be given lip service and still considered the ideal in many communities, but with the exception of a few places in rural Utah, is there really any towns left where a majority of people are virgins on their wedding night. Even 50 years ago? There is a difference between a lofty religious ideal and hard reality.

    BTW, it was very common for women in colonial America and England at the time to be pregnant at the time of marriage. This was many times the reason the Colonial era couple was finally getting married. “Fooling around”, which many times included premarital sex, was quite the norm.

    http://www.history.org/foundation/journal/holiday07/court.cfm

    Adult human beings are sexual creatures. And they do not always follow the artificial dictates of religion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GPCK72S7GWMXMPG2K4Q7MPMQJI mawmaw

    If the school nurses were allowed to choose the program, the pregnancies and diseases would decrease significantly.  However, the people who designed and own the abstinence-only curriculum are getting rich selling their miserable product to the school districts, and Governor Perry will always come down on the side of those who give him money.  The poor school children don’t count, Governor Perry’s insiders come first.

  • Nature Freak

    I have no problem with people remaining chaste until marriage. I have no problem with asexual people who decide to be virgins their entire life (this exists!). The fact remains that after puberty hits, people tend to gravitate towards being sexual creatures. Teaching that Abstinence until marriage is the only acceptable behavior is ludicrous. Considering how late the average age of marriage is, I wonder if the conservative Christian goal is for every one to marry at 17 or 18. This is the only option in society if you truly want abstinence to be more common (still would never be 100 percent).

    Teach abstinence as a option (I do believe it is wrong to push people into sex if they are not willing or wanting) but also comprehensively teach contraceptive and safe sex practices.

    Some fundamentalist Christians would perhaps be more happy with Wahhabism. The parralels are eerie.

  • Anonymous

    @425e0fd9918ffb0515491df0caea1016:disqus 

    Take a number regarding being pro-choice AND understanding what a fetus represents.  

    Then read some of these comments about how it’s not the school’s jobs to pick up parental slack.  And recall that we are talking about children who inherently make bad decisions sometimes.  And that despite that, people like you and me don’t want them to end up with an unwanted pregnancy or STD or anything else that would harm their young health (emotional/physical).

    Then, remember what a colossal failure Abstinence Only programs are.  And that TX was doing it 96% of the time.  With Federal Funding.  Remember TX’s statistics mentioned above for pregnancy and STDs.

    Then recall how much the Pro-Life side has done everything they can to block teaching responsible sexual education and sexual health.  About access to birth control.

    And then remember everything the Pro-Life side will do to protect that fetus inside of a young female who may not be emotionally/physically ready to bear a child.

    I place my concern about the already existing female being demeaned by lack of education (home/school), by misinformation and often without somewhere to go to discuss issues in a safe enviroment over a pregnancy.  Which, is one of the outcomes of unprotected sex.  Sorry if your delicate sensiblities were raised. 

    I’m here to defend the children in the TX school system, not the “consequence” so many posters on this site feel they should bear because they don’t want to “enable parents”.  Because they don’t value the emotional/physical health of these children in TX enough to understand that schools should be co-involved in protecting and educating children. 

  • Nature Freak

    Because many right wing Christians believe all true Americans are Christian. If you are not, you are a second class American. Christianity is America’s one true faith. Jewish people are on the line. Falls either way.

    America is the New Jerusalem. “A shining city upon a hill”. It is a Christian nation just like Saudi Arabia is an Islamic nation.

    This is not an exaggeration. Many of the evangelical Christians and similar types feel this way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000572292487 Nancy Wade-Hull

    Or your daughter went to visit her “aunt down south,” and the illegitimate birth was not reported as such, maybe?

  • Nature Freak

    Comparing Mexico to Texas?

    Why trash Baja or Mexico? Does Mexico deserve this?

  • Anonymous

    Those people are still trying to break thru the “walk-upright-without-drooling” curtain.

  • Anonymous

    Sex education is only an issue if the parents fail at being parents.

    Sex education started because parents didn’t teach their kids anything about sex, what so ever. Then STDs and pregnancies happened and society has to foot the bill. 

    It comes down to, these parents should have been sterilized, but that’s in-humane, so the next best thing is for the government to play the role of the parents at school.

  • Bill in SF

    While for the most part I think Gov. Perry is crazier than Michele Bachmann, he did one thing semi-right here, which is the HPV vaccine.  Apparently, at least when he’s not talking about sex education, he does understand that some people are going to have sex, and doesn’t think that dying of cervical cancer is an appropriate punishment for it.  There may have been some campaign contributions involved, but his main motivation was a friend who died from it in her 30s.

  • Anonymous

    Of course previous generations weren’t chaste. But they were scared enough that most didn’t try.

  • Jmpwawoo

    Actually not, the norm was get knocked up , get married. There is fortunately much less stigma for women who choose to have children without being married., Still tough for young folks who do not choose but do, ever watch 16 and Pregnant?

  • http://twitter.com/Staciisa_bitch Staci Chase

    The Palins don’t live in the inner cities.  

  • Darladoon

    “slut”  =  ”sex positive”

    i hope staci is ok with my particular characterization

  • Anonymous

    to you …to me it means she will spread her legs for anybody with 10 dollars

  • Nature Freak

    This website is real, not polished. Not fake. This is the highest compliment from Nature Freak.

    This is one reason Mediate is awesome. No matter how pissed off I get at certain posters.

    This is not the NYT, or some censor oriented hard right site. This is a good thing. Free speech here is honored. And encouraged.

  • Nature Freak

    Merlot can be quite the aphrodisiac in moderate amounts. Legal if you are 21.

  • phantman

    I disagree – you probably had a lot more “shotgun weddings” with a bunch of “premature births” in the earlier years.  Or maybe it was that the guys were not turned on when they accidentally happened to see some body parts that you are only allowed to see after marriage. Even better – how about did not have somebody meticulously recording every “illegitimate birth”?

    How about we make a new law so that if you are not married but get pregnant than you HAVE to have an abortion? – that would really cut down on the illegitimate births.

    Don’t you think it is better to have accurate sex education. That way people know about sex and are less likely to think that they need to find out why Susie has this and Johnny has that, or working on figuring out how they fit together.

    If we work together making up a good sex ed program then kids can learn about the benefits and the dangers of unprotected sex. If you think about your first time – was it protected or unprotected? I can honestly say that mine was unprotected.

    Anyway, this would be something to think about

  • phantman

    or Teen Mom?

  • Phantman

    So you are saying that these parents that did not teach their kids about sex should have been sterilized so they would not have had kids in the first place?

    Two thoughts on this one:
    1) What crystal ball are you going to use to be able to tell that these people are not going to teach their kids about sex ed, so that we can sterilize them?

    2) If we do have the parents tell their kids everything that THEY KNOW about sex – will that really be enough?
    Should be an interesting conversation – “this is what sex is, but I cannot teach you anything about AIDS or other STDs because I do not know about them”

    But then we are back to the first point – parents did not teach them everything about sex, just what they knew, so the should have been sterilized – according to your logic.

    So basically everybody should be sterilized at birth because nobody knows everything about everything – that would be another way to get rid of illegitimate births – can still have sex but do not have to worry about the government having to pay for sex ed because there will not be any more births

  • Phantman

    I believe your comment should be aimed at yourself also – should be saying TOO stupid.

    FYI: TO indicates a direction or an action, but TOO indicates more than enough, or also, or very

    Something for you to think about :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=606123586 Tinna Marie Kennedy

    What are you frigging five?

  • http://twitter.com/CanuckFeed CanuckFeed

    ALBERTA ENERGY MINISTER: “We want to become a global energy superpower” … http://canuckreport.ca

  • Marializak

    The 50′s had a very high teen mother rate.  Pregnant teens got married or sent to “unwed mother” homes, where they were forced to give up their children.  Nice try though.

  • http://twitter.com/catchr C Neilson

    My daughter’s had a program that made more sense. Among other things it had them putting condoms on bananas…the result? Girls got pregnant!!!!

  • Anitalou1

    It’s because they got married after getting pregnant in the 50′s, went away to have the child and put it up for adoption or had illegal abortions. I don’t believe there was 45% less sex going on the the 50′s than there is today. The situations were handled quietly and very privately back then. Nowadays, most people are not restrained or confined by the social stigmas of the 50′s. 

  • Nature Freak

    Someone should have told them the condoms belonged on penises, not bananas.

  • Nature Freak

    Sounds like your dad was a child abuser.

    Fear and violence based parenting only causes pain and suffering in the long run. If I catch any Dad’s beating the crap out of their kids, the police are called. Immediately.

  • http://twitter.com/elliejjane Ellie Paschal

    “This is all not to give up hope that abstinence has it’s benefits…” 
    ITS = POSSESSIVE
    IT’S = IT IS

    I hope many other states follow Texas’ lead.

  • Moonhawk64

    It’s amazing that every news article that allows comments results in name-calling and bad spelling/grammar.

    So, getting back to the actual subject:
    The fact is this:  However much anyone might try to deny it, humans are animals, and sexual ones at that.  Our hormones are natural and powerful, and overcoming them is not easy.  Denying this or, worse, ignoring it, only leaves kids without any way to understand or control their natural sexual urges. 

    The truth is, the only way to stop kids from having sex completely is to chemically castrate them (and even then it may not always work).  So are people really going to espouse that as a viable solution?  Enforced chemical castration for anyone under, say, the age of 18?  Or 21?  Or, how about we make it a law that we chemically castrate anyone who isn’t married, regardless of age?  Religious conservatives probably would think that an acceptable solution!

    Education won’t always prevent kids from having sex, but at least they
    will learn the consequences and what to do to prevent those
    consequences.  And parents can only teach what they know.  If the
    schools know more than the parents do (which they probably do), then the
    schools should teach sex education, not as a substitute to parenting,
    but a supplement to it.

  • Moonhawk64

    It’s amazing that every news article that allows comments results in name-calling and bad spelling/grammar.

    So, getting back to the actual subject:
    The fact is this:  However much anyone might try to deny it, humans are animals, and sexual ones at that.  Our hormones are natural and powerful, and overcoming them is not easy.  Denying this or, worse, ignoring it, only leaves kids without any way to understand or control their natural sexual urges. 

    The truth is, the only way to stop kids from having sex completely is to chemically castrate them (and even then it may not always work).  So are people really going to espouse that as a viable solution?  Enforced chemical castration for anyone under, say, the age of 18?  Or 21?  Or, how about we make it a law that we chemically castrate anyone who isn’t married, regardless of age?  Religious conservatives probably would think that an acceptable solution!

    Education won’t always prevent kids from having sex, but at least they
    will learn the consequences and what to do to prevent those
    consequences.  And parents can only teach what they know.  If the
    schools know more than the parents do (which they probably do), then the
    schools should teach sex education, not as a substitute to parenting,
    but a supplement to it.

  • http://www.yourpredator.com Hunter Coch

    So what’s your real name?

  • http://www.facebook.com/manic.vice Manic Vice

    LOL.

    +1.

  • http://www.facebook.com/manic.vice Manic Vice

    Grass is green because it was painted green. There just is no other explanation!

    Actually, there is.. stop being a blind fool.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gregory-Smith/100001741334953 Gregory Smith

    Isn’t it funny how Democrats ALWAYS pretend to be open minded except when it comes to cigarrettes, alcohol, fast food, not wearing your seatbelt, riding a bike/motorcycle without a helmet, making too much money (except for Hollywood celebrities), Big Oil but never Big Education, etc, etc, etc? What’s wrong with letting parents be parents instad of trying to indoctrinate children you didn’t create? And yes, I know some parents are bad, so what? I’d rather put my faith in bad parents than in bad teachers. 

    http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

  • SouthernYankee

    LOL, obviously you don’t know democrats at all.   We are openned minded.  I don’t give a damn if you want to smoke, get drunk, eat fast food or all the other shit you mentioned.  I still do some of those things.  Really if you want to get drunk don’t get behind a wheel of a car and drive because that effects all of us.  I think you would agree with that.  Now if you don’t want to wear a helmet and you get hurt very badly then don’t cry about it when your health insurance doesn’t cover you or you have met your life time coverage and then turn around and cry because you don’t have the right coverage.  Then you want medicaid to help you because your out of work.     Get your head out of your ass and stop listening to Fake News Network.  You be surprised how much we have in common.  Your comments about parents was funny.  I know you don’t believe that you would put your faith into bad parents?  Really and you are a christain?  I doubt that.  Your ok with parents murdering their children?  Your ok with parents sending their young daughters out to be hookers?  You really need to read more.  I am sure you don’t mean what you said.  I don’t think republicans or democrats really feel that way at all.  If anyone did they should be in jail.

  • SouthernYankee

    Am catholic I don’t know what you are talking about.  My mother sat down with us when we were 12 yrs old and told us about the facts of life.  When my son was that age we sat him down and told him the same thing.  I told him “if you want to play the fiddle then your going to pay the fiddler” if she comes up with a baby.  When he was 21 he played and he paid.  He is a great father today.   He said he would never not take responsibility.  He saw to many of his friends not do that.  I’m glad he is responsible.

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