At least there is a sensible response from the university administration.

It’s hard to imagine there won’t be a tipping point when the crowd decides to fight back against police that are harming people who are not being violent. It’s certainly illegal what the police are doing now. 

The use of pepper spray as shown on the video is chilling to us all and
raises many questions about how best to handle situations like this.

No it isn’t. It’s pepper spray, not acid. The best way to handle this situation? Go wash your face.

Sorry. I know all you far-right wing nutjobs will find this to be OK, but it just isn’t.  These people were passively sitting there.  Were they breaking the law?  I don’t know, because I don’t know the laws there, but if they were, couldn’t they have just been arrested?  Why the use of pepper spray?  Shameful and disgusting.  And why does the UC Davis Chancellor need 90 days to determine if this behavior was acceptable or not?  Either it is or it isn’t.  The video shows you what you need to know in order to make that determination.  If it’s OK with you, then say so – and deal with the consequences (losing your job).  Otherwise, denounce it now and fire the officer (and his superior, if one ordered him to do it) who thought that was an appropriate response.

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say this is Police
Brutality.  Incidents like this the past
few weeks are exposing the Police State we are being subjected to.  Evicting protesters is Unconstitutional and
endangers the basic rights of EVERY last American.  Is this the country we were raised in, were
men and women are beaten, gassed, pepper-sprayed and arrested for their
disapproval of the government?  We have
to be careful to protect our Constitutional Rights!  Events like this have prompted me to raise my
own voice with these posters I designed for the movement on my artist’s blog at
http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/11/propaganda-for-occupy-movement.html
 

Were you there? Do you know what may have happened prior to the use of the pepper spray?  Maybe they were told to leave and refused. Would you rather they be tasered or shot?

If you weren’t there then STFU.

A police state REALLY! China and N. Korea laugh in your face.

I hope that cop gets fired, or at least the person who authorized him to use the pepper spray.

If the cops did the same thing to a Tea Partier your team would rile up another Ruby Ridge.

Pablo your bullshit is getting really over the top.

Hahahahahahaha…look how concerned with context a conservative becomes when he sides against protestors.

Try again. There is plenty of footage of the demonstraters sitting absolutely peacefully before they were assaulted by the police officer. Pretending there’s not enough to go on to prosecute for (something like) assault and battery is not going to make this go away.

The university is investigating. Your speculations are no less premature than anyone else’s.

This site is becoming like the daily KO’s. Where is the video of the NYC copy who got vinegar thrown in his face or the cop who had to get 21 stitches in his hand from a bottle thrown at him? This is like the burglar suing the owner for getting shot for breaking into his house. Come on Mediate try to show a little partiality in your reporting , this is getting ridiculous.

It’s only somewhat comforting that our cops’ outrages are “less bad” than North Korea, wouldn’t you say?

I will never “STFU”.  That’s the problem with you far right-wing morons. Intelligent and thinking Americans will never ascribe to your pathetic view of America.  You will be defeated in November 2012.  There aren’t enough of you hillbillies to affect the outcome of the next election.  

What about the veteran being shot in the head with a rubber bullet, the 84 year old woman they peppersprayed, the  guy they beat with a baton so bad his spleen ruptured, now they’re hurting college students… I wonder when you’ll start to care..

It won’t start to care.  It’s a right-wing robot. It doesn’t have the ability to feel or emote.  It is only interested in stifling opposing viewpoints at any cost.  The good news is that there isn’t enough of them to make any difference in the next election.

Inspired me to go by some pepper spray.what ever it takes to make them bathe.

A Police Officer Pepper Spraying peaceful student demonstrators who sitting on campus is going way over the line. 

They are students performing their right to peaceful protest. The Officer should be suspended at the very least.

…Its over the line and everyone knows it.

I would rather be a right wing nut job than a hypocrite libtard which defines the entire Democratic party and all of there little zombie left wing asshole’s.

Yeah because these OWS skanks are so law abiding and fine people who are not breaking any laws at all.

Cops don’t have to do those things to Tea Partiers.  Oh, and Pablo’s right. :)

Any of you libtards that think this is a police state join the military and stay in for twenty years at the least then when you get out your opinion will matter to me until then you do not know what you are talking about but then again when has a libtard ever known what they were talking about.

Input from a human moral snotrag here, not just you, “Clever”, but the bully in the uniform with the can of spray.

Well, that sure went off like a ritual execution. The authoritarian bully wannabe cop’s name is all over the Internet now. This little incident on the YouTube here definitely loses him his job, and without dismissal pay; plus, it should stand in his way of ever rising above night watchman at an IHOP. 

Understand folks, as bad as cops can be, they at least get training. This guy is simply Cartman with a can of pepper spray, no standards or training beyond what the guy in the Mall Cop movie got.

This is what authoritarianism looks like. It’s going to get a lot, lot worse.

Plutonium isn’t acid either, but I’m sure you wouldn’t like it if someone sprayed that in your face.  Based on your comment, you know very little about pepper spray.  It is an extremely painful substance that is insoluble so you actually can’ just “Go wash your face” as it has precisely been designed to resist being removed easily.

Pepperspray is illegal.

Right. Now, go back and consider what SDS and the Bill Ayers folks were up against: cops who were shooting at demonstrators, EXECUTING them. It’s happening again, but not “all over again”, this is going to be way, way worse; the abuses in the 1960s were aimed at upholding establishment white bigotry against civil rights of equal treatment, and putting down the protests to the Viet Nam war. The msm hasn’t bothered to actually cover antiwar demonstrations and protests for decades, not good for GE’s business model among other things, but besides that problem being solved by going to an all-volunteer army of cultural victims headed towards PTSDs and living on the street for the rest of their lives, this is gone way past the point of so-called “culture war”, this if flat out economic class warfare.

Cops have a big choice on their minds these days. They won’t be uniform in that choice, which is where the thing starts to fall apart. 

This place is really rotted to the core.

Pepperspraying nonviolent citizens is illegal, you’re both wrong.. and pretty stupid too. 

You have decided to turn towards irrelevancy. You are, if you are even human, a smug coward.

As if that’s your name; it certainly is your attitude.

I don’t know if you are just naive or a tool of the right, but I’ll assume the former. 

Look, you don’t stoop to their behavior, no matter what; you follow the rules, by the book. You don’t turn away from the Rule of Law and towards reflexive reactionary violence, because then the battle is lost. If you’re in a declared war, all out national violence or civil war, fine – war rules are different. But this is authoritarian abuse here, and it’s not just a matter of political correctness to insist on the rule of law, it’s an absolute necessity. You just march on, march on, march on through the morons, thru the pigs, march on to the rule of law. 

There should have been indictments, for the CIA torturers, for the Bush administration liars and law breakers, for the Wall Street banksters who bought themselves one entire party and quite a bit of the other, but there has been none – coming on 3 years now, and nothing.

The people need the enemies of the constitution, the enemies of the democracy, the enemies of the republic brought to account, brought to justice, brought to trial, and sent off to jail if found guilty. When there were no indictments, that meant the US was turned into Dodge City Kansas of the olden days, an outlaw nation. When the USSR fell apart, Russia fell first into being taken over by criminals. And so did we; so did we.

I really am not optimistic about this, especially with the winger morons we have not just on this website but all through the medium and other media. I really think we’re like a limb too infected.

I will never “STFU”.  That’s the problem with you far left-wing morons.
Intelligent and thinking Americans will never ascribe to your pathetic
view of America.  You will be defeated in November 2012.  There aren’t
enough of you lazy government relying dirty drug taking rape making thugs to affect the outcome of the next election.

There you are NOTW (btw what a truly horrible avatar name), your answer or your missioned completed, who knows which and who cares.

Sitting on the ground is pretty violent.

Or you don’t believe in the Constitution.

Exactly, notice the statist’s here aren’t mentioning a word about the rapes, drug use, jerking off in public, crapping in public, not working in public (or private), rocks thrown AT police, etc. But watch, if you bring that up then they’ll just say those individuals who don’t represent the “whole” movement.

Now, setting aside the fact that WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT YOUR MOVEMENT that it’s attracting these pieces of crap from all over, imagine for just one second if you had mentioned above happen at a tea party. And the countless examples of these Ma N Pa relying lice infected government BORG pissing on the Jews and Capitalism, metaphorically of course, on tape. Yep, all fringe.

So take the fringe lice away, what do you have? A bunch of hard working intelligent citizens who want to affect a positive change for society by way of government business reform? I mean tell me, not the fringe bullshit excuse that you leftists think will work, but the main characters in this play? What do they stand for?

And please, spare us the cliche’s. Most of us worked five of the last six days, and after tomorrow, we’ll have to work another five days. (Sigh, yes yes, T giving and the like, you know what I mean!)

The Chancellor issued warnings to them prior to the police arriving.  They were told to clear out by 3pm I think it was  They refused.  Cops show up 30 minutes post due time, and warn people to leave.  They still refuse.  Cops keep warning, and then eventually actually SHOW the bottle of spray before even using it.  The protesters still refuse to move.   I do not condone at all what the cop did, but the protesters were warned many many times to leave and never did.  What were the cops supposed to stop them?  What solutions?

They do not have a right to camp out on campus.  So they were effectively illegally protesting.  

And now I am not at all condoning what the cop did either, but the protesters were warned many many times even before the cops showed up to clear up they refused.  

Oh sure there are; they don’t need lots of big numbers when they’ve fixed the rules of the game. Millions, I think tens of millions, of Americans entitled to vote are going to find themselves disenfranchised by these red state thugs and moral weenies. You assume justice in a world which evidences lack of justice. Why do you think this thing in America is going to turn out better than Rwanda, where armed thugs roamed the country hacking off people’s feet and hands and raping women continually for weeks. You assume the US is somehow immune from being taken over by criminal enterprise like Russia, when in fact that process started here in 1981 and has pretty much entirely succeeded here. You think what happened in Europe after 1928 could not happen here – when it’s already underway. 

So, if you think a minority political party of thugs and toadies cannot take over this country, you’ve already gone to sleep: they took over in Wisconsin, in Ohio, in Florida, in Arizona. The folks in states that have been THROUGH this already are either permanently traumatized – South Carolina, Louisiana Mississippi – marginalized – Texas – or are suffering the consequences – California, Washington, Oregon, Minnesota. 

Sinclair Lewis, one the great American novelists, wrote a novel in the 1930s called It Can’t Happen Here, proving it could. And now, it’s marching in, under a Red State banner.

Robot tools don’t get to vote.

Actually you shouldn’t in a lot of cases it gets more irritated, not with water at least. Water and oil don’t mix!
“First of all, and most importantly, don’t touch the affected area. Pepper spray is oil-based and can easily be spread to other parts of your body just by touching it.”But eventually:”Wash your skin with a cleansing solution, such as hand soap, shampoo or even dish soap, and rinse with water. Soaps help break up and remove the oil when water can’t.”I like citing things:http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/household-safety/security/pepper-spray4.htm

Pepper spray is not illegal.  No idea where you got that idea.

Uncle–Tea Party people NEVER acted this unruly & prone to violence.  When they protested, they followed the rules, paid for the locations, etc.  I hope the Tea party who’s suing for the $10,000 THEY PAID  get it back…as this OWS have not only cost the taxpayers MILLIONS in an already sucky economy, but people have lost jobs & businesses have SUFFERED because of these bratty & nutty little radicals.  The OWS have occupied space ILLEGALLY.  They’re hurting the very people they “supposedly” represent. 

These bratty little college kids need to either pay their tuition or not go to college. It’s as simple as that. They think the world owes them.  Moochers.  One of these days they’re going to have to grow up, work, pay their own bills, & RESPECT the rules.  They wouldn’t have gotten sprayed had they removed themselves like they were asked.  They asked for it.  They WANTED it.  I don’t feel sorry for the protesters…I feel very sorry for the guards.

‘I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say this is Police Brutality”
What is the MATTER with you? OF COURSE this is brutality, but not even police, its by campus wannabes.

You watch this then have to GUESS? Did you never see the film from the Viet Nam war of the SVN soldier holding his pistol to the head of a civilian on a Saigon Street then blowing his brains out? It’s on Youtube; THAT is what this reminded me of, the attitude not the result.  You can’t see IMMEDIATELY how this is soooooo wrong and how much freaking TROUBLE we are in?

Look man, I like your art and stuff, but you can’t be coy or subtle with these winger morons, they just take that and chew it up and pepperspray it back at you.

The protesters should have removed themselves when they were ASKED to.  They wanted to be sprayed so that people can sympathize with them. They are hoping by them getting sprayed, it will help them get their way…..spoiled & radical little brats that they are.  If they don’t like their tuition price, then do something else.  The rest of us paid for our tuitions. That’s the way it goes.  Then go to a trade school if you can’t hack it.  Just a bunch of libbies who feel entitled. 

In NY, vinegar was thrown in cop’s faces.  I don’t see anyone worrying about the police or condemning the protesters.  This is typical Alinsky, Left-wing, crazy tactics.  It’s disgusting.

The First Amendment isn’t just for fascist freaks who scream gibberish about “death panels” and birth certificates. You teabuggers also like droning on about “freedom” and “liberty” and “follow the Constitution” and “get big government off people’s backs”, and that is EXACTLY what these students were doing: peacefully exercising their First Amendment liberties in the public space of their school, until government-supplied pigs showed up and violently broke the law, like they were Basij in Tehran working for Ahmadinejad. Americans don’t have to go abroad to see a police state, anymore.

Ah you mean Scott Olsen where there is now some argument as to what really hit him since the Oakland protesters were throwing rocks at the cops.  It could be very likely that Mr. Olsen was hit by an OWS friendly fire rock, by accident.  

Did you see the news out of NYC about the OWS protesters harassing and scaring the heck out of little kids trying to go to school?

Well OWS are stamping on other people’s rights so hey I could scream OWS BRUTALITY in return.

You have a right to protest legally with permits to which NONE of these people are doing.  It is not Unconstitutional to evict them if they are protesting illegally.  NONE of these protests are legal and they are hurting the cities and people that live in the cities or areas.  So it is unconstitutional what OWS is doing to the people trying to actually live and work and go about their daily business.    

They were asked to move.  They should have moved or suffer the consequences.  But this is exactly what they wanted.  They WANTED to be sprayed or bullied so they can get more attention & possibly get their way.  Toddlers do the same thing. Sometimes they hit themselves thinking it’s hurting you…but nope..it’s only hurting themselves. 

Poor little elitest brats who think they’re entitled to whatever demand they want…just by protesting &  throwing tantrums.  I wish the cops pulled their pants down and spanked their bare butts.  Hard.  Real hard. Love the hysterical dramatic screams from the girls..bwahhhhhhhh!  What a show.

And sadly, that guard was doing his job & he’ll probably be the fall guy.  His name is out so nut-jobs will go after him & his family.  Just like the Left.  ALL because these brats wouldn’t move like they were asked.  I can’t wait to hear the side of the police.  I hope it is told.  But the police are never defended. They’re expected to risk their lives for idiots every day & get paid nothing.

An international furor has erupted 

Hump that story James! Milk it for everything you can to aid the American leftists like a good little boy. Maybe Colby will give you a big fat raise like the one Tommy got!

That’s the truth.  This is typical Alinsky tactics…just like the liberal activists who have highjacked the democratic party have studied.  You never hear about the attacks you mentioned.

Wow, this video could have been made in Hollywood, it’s so good. If you’re a sane, patriotic American, it first makes you outraged that a violent gang of thugs armed with deadly weapons attacks peaceful, unarmed students. Then it makes you cheer when the students throw the bums out without putting a finger on them.

It’s just too bad that when the cops retreated at the end, the crowd didn’t chant, “Who’s your daddy!” That really would have been the coup de grace.

The veteran was told to leave.  When the police tell you to leave – and you REFUSE – then you put yourself in the position to be harmed.  No one aimed at his head on purpose.  Sadly, it’s HIS fault for disobeying authority. I hope you learn a lesson from him.  If authority tells you to leave or they’re going to have to use force: LEAVE. 

Hey-have you heard about the two older ladies in their 70′s who were knocked down by protesters & one broke her hip? That’s pretty rough on a 70 year old.  At the same place a protester placed her babies in car seats/stroller IN FRONT of the protester crows so that if they got hurt SHE TOO CAN CRY “Police Brutality”.  Did you hear about the 7 policemen who were injured in NY (two were serious)?  Huh, huh, did you?  When will you start to care?   

It will be interesting to hear him use your less than persuasive argument to the Principal, Teachers, Parents, Media and his Superiors…

…Pepper Spraying American Kids on their own Campus is not his best career making decision.

This is a world trend. I think you have no idea what’s going on. Let me give you some idea of reality: In the DMZ between South & North Korea there is long wide band of land occupied by factories. Each day raw materials and supervisors come in from the South to these factories, and workers comes in from the North, then all day the workers from the north work for pennies, or just food, or nothing, making things out of the raw materials brought in by the South, while being ‘supervised’ and overseen by managers and technicians from the South. At the end of each day the workers from the North are escorted home to their cells by armed guards, and the managers, technicians and owners from the South head back to their communities and homes in the South, while the manufactured goods are stamped “Made in South Korea”.

The police state is not North Korea, it’s ALL of Korea: Kim Jong Il is just commandant of the political prison labor source side.

China works off that same model.

And so do we here, and have for years. We have a DELUSION that it’s different here; it’s only the culture that is different here, and that cultural facade is falling off every day. We have an ILLUSION of liberty here – keep in mind we supported that illusion ALONG WITH SLAVERY for millions of kidnapped Africans, for decades and decases – and Mediaite is simply a tiny little space in rubble pile up against a tiny corner of the fish tank. 

You should go to visit Korea, see it for yourself, where we’re headed, and China too, where we mostly are. This is a human problem, 7 billions of humans with the marginal wealth being owned by a few hundred thousand at most, a tiny sliver of the species, calling all the shots.

Both. Not just the “I vust yoost valling orders” guy; not the guy above who always always always gets away with it. Both. And more: the entire campus police. 

These people were sitting quietly protesting University policies.  They did nothing.  The press said they were doing nothing.  This protest was not violent.

The Tea Partiers also were being directed by billionaires, so its odd that they were talking about bailouts, but ended up supporting big business, rich people, abortion, taking away gay rights, etc, etc.

We are already know who you are; just get out of the way, you’re just being useless. It’s Daily Kos as you well know. It’s increasingly clear you may not even be real, you’re such a tool.

Wow! Hyperbolize much?  ”the sky is falling!, the sky is falling!”

Also, you obviously know nothing about how steep the tuition rates have increased.  In California, state schools have gone up 60% in 3 years. 

So your conservative idea is mandatory government service for two decades before being allowed to express an opinion.

Well then why didn’t they just arrest them and move them?  Why the need for the pepper spray?  Violence against a Non-Violent protest is not cool.  Do you really want to live in a Fascist Police State?

Did someone tell you that we were interested in your opinion? That was cruel.

Have you ever seen a little old lady, (say, 85 years old) walking down the side walk and she has to get out of the way, off the side walk onto the grass, to accommodate the preoccupied two or three people (or more) walking toward her?

Actually, this scenario is not that uncommon.  I watched it happen to my Mother in Denver once, only she didn’t move over.  The young man walked right into my Mom!  Fortunately, My Mom had braced herself, but the group of young people seemed mystified that the world didn’t always revolve around them?  I can’t recall if they even apologized…

So, here we have callow, conceited youth, so bloody sure of themselves and their viewpoint that they are endowed with the wisdom, so early in life, that they can block the side walk, impede others progress throughout their day, simply because the protesters are under the false impression that youth, equals erudition?

One last note:  MLK wrote some letters while sitting in a “Birmingham Jail,”  King knew full well, “civil disobedience,” has a price.  For that matter, so did Ghandi.  

The OWS is not a movement or a protest, rather, is a fashion statement of the slovenly and misguided!

The Purveyor of Rhetoric

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The dreaded Alinsky Rules for Radicals is a list of tactics that both political parties use all the time.

http://vcn.bc.ca/citizens-handbook/rules.html

There isn’t a single thing in there that both parties aren’t guilty of.

I don’t know how goes BY some pepper spray would make anyone take a bath but ok…i will just assume it is some sort of liberty hating superpower. You should totally use it for Obamacare. Can u imagine Obama in the shower all day? That would be enough to not only help Teabaggers masturbate but also get him impeached. 

Here’s the deal: we give toddlers soft toys and things with rounded edges. We give the police lethal hardware of dizzying array and (hopefully) non-lethal hardware in even more spectacular profusion. Each group is required to behave accordingly or we take away their toys and give them a time-out.

Police assault by caustic spray of passive protestors is criminally stupid. We may well find out it’s just plain criminal. And then someone *will* take a time-out.

I actually have no words. Good post. IF you plan to protest, plan to be assaulted. At the same time, you have to wonder about the cop. Do you just point and spray a group of young adults protesting in a non-violent manner. IF he had just HOSED THEM DOWN I would perhaps feel better (not with a high powered hose). However, he chose to spray them with a chemical that can lead to some bad after effects. This is actually a CLASSIC American moment of non-violent protest. They sit, the authority figure essentially overreacts and THE WONDERFUL PRESS puts it out there knowing it will polarize. -brought to you by: CAIN DANCE -herman cain at his best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs7fJ6jAOVU

HE GETS: THE CAIN DANCE!!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs7fJ6jAOVU 

What you do, is you don’t spray people with hazardous chemicals needlessly. Your instructions are to arrest them? Go right ahead.

But assault on unresisting citizens is still assault.

It wasn’t pepper spray:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riMqHX–sQ0

I imagine your tables manners are nothing short of vulgar?  To be so self centered that you support a collection of malcontents who block a public thoroughfare, tells me volumes about your recognition of other people’s concerns and your lack of social graces.

Somehow, someway, a plurality of American’s have come to believe that the 1st amendment and “freedom of speech,” grants ‘carte blanche,’ to express themselves at the expense of others?
There is absolutely no such right or prerogative contained in the Constitution.

Throwing a rock, or, blocking a sidewalk is a crime, NOT freedom of speech!

Purveyor of Rhetoric
 

You must have been listening to Newt Gingrich.

“These bratty little college kids need to either pay their tuition or not go to college.”  Yeah, because only people with $ deserve a college education?  Personally, I joined the USMC to get the GI Bill so I could afford college.  Now I am a Disabled Veteran.  What is my pursuit of higher education costing me?  I joined also to protect our freedoms in America, including your freedom of speech.  You’re welcome.

Were you born retarded Private Pyle or did you work hard at it?

The UCD Chancellor is forming a task force to launch a study to analize the data to blah, blah, blah, blah … It should have never happened.

So-you joined the USMC to get FREE college instead of to protect our freedoms & free speech, but now you are disabled?  Am I supposed to feel guilty about that or feel sorry for you then?  If you’d joined the service for the right reasons, then you wouldn’t begrudge your disability and you certainly wouldn’t be throwing it out there for sympathy or justification.  Most servicemen I see are brave, honorable, and humble warriors who love our country.  They make the sacrifice for the RIGHT reason: their love of our country.  I think we need to pay them way more & do more for them.  I hate how the liberals treated our Vietnam Vets when they returned from NAM.  But what can I say–there’s a liberal for you.  The Democrats use people.  They purposely get people agitated-they seek people who will give them power & votes by making them feel cheated, depressed, & disillusioned at the current system - so they get the young, minorities, poor, illegals, weak minded, you name it…& they buy them with entitlements.  It’s really cheap for these Democrats…just increase taxes, pretend you CARE, & make these serfs of the system feel like they’re entitled. 

Most people I know who have gone to college are POOR, PTruthSeeker. They don’t *have* to go to the expensive universities. They work hard, get loans & scholarships, & they pay them off.  They eat Ramen noodles & budget.  They are grown ups & not a bunch of ’gimme gimme gimme’ whiners like these protesters.  They’re not only whining about college tuition, but the next thing they’re whining about is that they’re not paid enough.  Bottomline, they don’t want to work.  They ARE spoiled brats.  Life is hard, sometimes its harder for some of us more than others…but you stop looking in the kid next to you’s plate & worrying about what THEY got & you don’t.  You work & earn for yourself.  Stop being demanders, grow up & be responsible like the rest of us did.     

After watching 2 months of Soros funded Marxist droning, hearing recurring reports of rape, seeing photos of huge piles of hypodermic needles cleaned out of Zuccotti Park and being subjected to listening to a general mindless trashing of the capitalist system while hearing all about the joys of Communism I find a strange joy in watching the video of this event. I think I’ll put it in a  continuous loop and watch it over and over again for a few hours! LOL
 

OH please, the TP were not being directed by billionaires.  Give me an example? That sounds like typical Left “TP hater” talk.  I think you need to take a realistic look at your President Obama & the Dems in office.  They are the ones who speak one thing about “Wall Street” yet they got WAY more $$.  Barney Frank & Dodd sure made out well with Freddie/Fannie, huh?  That’s typical Left-talk trying to say the TP or Republicans protect the rich, etc. We want EVERYONE to have a chance at success. If Obama & the Dems succeed with their Socialist-trending policies…you’re going to have a bigger divide between the rich & poor.  You’re buying into lies if you are buying into the right protects the rich. You need to talk to some small business owners–the ones who give people like you & me jobs. 

WTH…abortion? We’re NOT for abortion. I’m assuming that’s a typo…but figures you would support killing babies if you’re listening & gobbling up the lying class war propaganda you repeating. 

I don’t care how much tuition has increased, if you want to go to college you’ll have to figure it out or do something else. That’s life.  I don’t think the taxpayer should have to pay for it.  But…go figure..that’s California…the state who is so deep in the red it glows.  Do something else then, go to trade school or move.  When their classrooms are empty, maybe they’ll figure it out.  Could it be they’re paying their elitist Liberal Activist professors way too much–the ones who poision our kids’ minds? 
Sheesh.

Me too! I particularly liked the part where the people nonviolently chased the cops off campus through the sheer force of shame. That made me feel that there sometimes is a just outcome.

snowjob likes to make things up.

Cops would never need to do that to a TEA Partier. TEA Partiers act in a civil manner and respect the cops who are doing their job.

They’re intentionally provoking a confrontation. They got one. BFD.

Poor things are going to have to wash up now.

Piss isn’t acid either, but that, like plutonium, is utterly beside the point.

Pro Tip: Try soap.

Sorry reality bothers you, doggie.

Oh, wait. No, I’m not.

such as hand soap, shampoo or even dish soap

OMG! Who would have thought of that?!?

Wrong in every particular.

The OWS protestors are acutely aware of the risks and rewards of civil disobedience. And they can tell, as apparently you can’t, the difference between a 280-pound cop with a jumbo spray bottle of dangerous chemicals and a little old lady.

I would venture to guess , you sir are very, very afraid .

Were they breaking the law?  I don’t know,

Yes.

couldn’t they have just been arrested?

They were. Couldn’t they have just moved when told to do so? Yeah, they could have.

Why the use of pepper spray?

http://tinyurl.com/8a8ybga

UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza said officers used force out
of concern for their own safety after they were surrounded by students.

“If you look at the video you are going to see that there were 200
people in that quad,” said Chief Spicuzza. “Hindsight is 20-20 and based
on the situation we were sitting in, ultimately that was the decision
that was made.”

This could have easily been avoided. The Occupiers didn’t want to avoid it. They got what they wanted.

Good luck with that.

Forcible seizure of property is not peaceful.

Please, yell louder. Do it all next year. Scream from the rooftops. Make sure all of America hears you, loud and clear. Please.

Thanks in advance.

Wash your face ? that will not remove the filth of our virus as a system .Maybe we need to breed a new
corruption causing anti germ ……….think about it whilst adhering to old outdated agendas.LOL

Hey, they should fire the whole school!

The Tea Party approves.

Maybe if they had done this from the git go these idots would learn that when the cops tell you that the game is over,grab your junk and get the hell out ,they would grab their junk and get the hell out.
But no, these dumb ass liberal mayors put up with this crap.
Too little ,too late.

Wow, when did you become such a bitter miserable old man that you’d forget the days of your youth?

Apparently so… OC is NOT illegal. Perhaps Snowspot is him/herself illegal and just doesn’t know the difference. Either way, they’re both losers.

…wow, that’s a scary picture you paint. I can’t follow your logic in any fashion, and, in fact, it sounds like you’re fantasizing yourself. Please, go “help” yourself however you see fit, but leave the rest of us alone and WITHOUT a mental image of you pleasuring yourself to pictures of Obama “taking showers all day.” Those were YOUR sick words!

Tea Partiers have never done anything that would have called for cops pepper-spraying them. You are delusional.

That’s the best come back you could come up with? I am insulted! Try again… this is be a little bit funny. 

Sorry, not buying your phoney, ”I was in the military” speal.  Any sane man or woman who’s spent 20 yrs or more in the military, wouldn’t be wasting their time on idiotic websites like mediaite.

Uncleduke, sitting in the street quietly is a passive form of protest. If they stop one person from getting to their job, they deserve all the pepper spray that gets showered their way. Sucks to be them.

Agreed, Pablo… and just like waterboarding, cops who USE pepperspray must be sprayed themselves before they can carry it. Trust me, I know this.. I am former law enforcement, and pepper spray is not fun, but it’s not deadly either. Bunch of big babies these OWSers.

I’ve been pepper-sprayed so I could be certified to carry it as a law enforcement officer. It’s not deadly. If you don’t want to suffer the scoville heat units, stay out of its way.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/11/occupy-dc-protesters-push-78-year-old-woman-down-cement-stairs-at-afp-conference-video/

True, it is a crime to block that sidewalk. Its civil disobedience and anyone doing it plans on being arrested. Its a way to draw attention to your cause and it has happened many many times. You can agree or disagree with it as a strategy and that’s just fine. But how blinded by partisan hate do you have to be to think that walking up to a group of completely nonviolent protesters and casually pepper spraying the entire group without even attempting any other means to arrest them is just fine?

A little college might have helped that rage:knowledge ratio which isn’t working in your favor.

JAYSON,

The eccentricities of my youth would “curl your toes!”  However, those “eccentricities” did not include being insolent, sanctimonious and inconsiderate of others, apparently, I had a better upbringing than you?”The Road of excess, leads to palace of wisdom.”   -William Blake-”When I was 12, I thought my parents the two most ignorant people on earth, when I was 21, I found my they had learned a hell of a lot.”   -Mark Twain-

The Purveyor of Rhetoric

“To see what is correct and righteous, and fail to do such, is cowardice.”   -Confuscious-

PATRIOT, I suspect you have always been on the sidelines, watching and opining.  That you have never actually endured, or suffered strife and conflict?  Your palms are soft, your knuckles unscarred…

Purveyor

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FLAKES,

A very common argumentation technique, is turning the victim into the defendant, so to speak.  In fact, such is a very Leninesque/Socialist tactic, achieved through rhetoric, propaganda and escalating disobedience/violence.

Ergo, The real victims in this scenario are the non-participant citizens who must tolerate the selfish protesters and their activities/crimes.  Also, the Police Officers who have to run a gauntlet of pro and con media reports, born of a curiously strong conspiracy.

Conversely, the true perpetrators are the men and women sitting across the sidewalk.  Any prosecutor so inclined could add a charge of “Conspiracy to commit civil disobedience.”  After all, a conspiracy only takes two.  Ouch!

Purveyor

Yeah isn’t that wild? I mean its oil. You implied just washing it. God for bid this ever happens to you at least you have some idea of what to do! Its so easy just run to the bathroom get some soap and throw it on your eyes! Because clearly if your ever getting attacked with this stuff your already carrying around soap! Oh wait your temporarily blind and can’t touch your eyes…Try not to walk into anything!

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This is a disgrace. This a peaceful protest. It looks like the police got bought off from the corporate elite because they’re starting to feel the aftershocks.  The eagle’s nest is trembling.  

If the protesters are already on the ground, to follow their orders all the cops to do was cuff them. I’m not exclusively liberal or exclusively conservative. From a physical security standpoint though the cop’s decision to pepper spray those people like they’re murderous Taliban instead of fellow countrymen and women is stupid overkill. 

God bless the police.  I hope they use real guns next time.   Liberals only celebrate cop killers like Troy Davis and Mumia Abu Jamal.

Hey Ms Underestimated, did you, in your prior law enforcement position, shoot yourself with your gun before carrying it?  The idea that you must get sprayed with it before deploying it yourself is simply nonsense.

What part of you have to go don’t you understand?

Yes it is a disgrace when vagrants won’t listen to the police.

Have you ever spent a dime that you earned yourself?

i dont get what that solved. people got more restless once they used the pepper spray and they ended up just dragging them away anyways

According to your name it sounds like you’ve been teabagged a few too many times in your life.

Why are you on your mom’s keyboard then and not out representing?

Lt. Pike is in charge of supplies at the police department. Got a little rambunctious once they let him in the field.  You might notice his uniform looks a bit tight and he’s had to loosen the chin strap for the extra chins.

Little lemming, do you believe everything the police tell you?  If so you’re a dolt.

Its Saturday night, so I’m hoping your drunk, because that would explain the nonsense you just posted. The police are the victim? They came out to a protest to do a job – remove student protesters from sidewalk, take to jail. That is their job, and both sides understand in this situation what the game is. Instead of walking over, grabbing them one by one(they had at least double the amount of officers as there were students on the ground) and putting them in police cars they stood there doing nothing but stare at them for five minutes, then grabbed a can of pepper spray and started blasting.

Like I said, blocking the campus sidewalk was a crime designed to get attention, and you can hate on that all you want. If the police had walked in and done their job the right way it would have been a minor story in a college newspaper. Now its going to be on the national news and all over the internet and the students got exactly what they wanted.

By the way, civil disobedience is a misdemeanor. Its not worth anyone’s time to try and charge the entire protest with it, let alone conspiracy to commit.

Sooooooooooo cool, but a waste of pepper spray. Should have tazed them. Even cheaper, a giant net hooked up to a pick up truck. Then they could drag them to a landfill.

Uuuhhh… If liberals are involved it is never ‘peaceful’. This eagle’s nest is full of mentally retarded liberals.

That means you are a mentally retarded liberal. His ‘name’ means his BALLS in YOUR mouth, if you’re a really hot woman.

In this case, you just typed the only four correct words you’ve ever typed. Stop typing now, next we’ll be reading about you gender reassignment surgery.

You’re just upset that your candidates are a joke and once the Teabaggers got elected to Congress their approval rating went down to 9%. I’m sorry that your movement flamed out.  

The task force should never happen. The liberal kids should have been electrocuted.

I want to stop the “days of your youth”. THE COPS NEED TO TAZE THESE SILLY LIBERAL CHILDREN.

It just sounds gay, but it does sound like he’s been teabagged again and again.

‘Jumbo spray bottle of dangerous chemicals’ has such a lovely ring to it! It is even better when aimed and sprayed directly into the eyes of a belligerent liberal. God bless the fuzz.

Flunked the psych test again, I hear. How disappointing.

25 cents to the first person who tells me what “out representing” means.

Oh, I’m sure you approve Tea Bagger.  I’m sure you have your racist and homophobic hate to keep you warm at night.

Nicely deranged, sir.

The only way to describe that guy is “cowardly fucking c*nt.” Every time something like this gets caught on video the world’s trust in “peace officers” is diminished.

True.

However, the Appeals Court has held that the use of pepper spray against nonviolent protesters has been deemed excessive force (http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/276/1125/642960/)

Davis (near Sacramento) isn’t Berkeley (near San Francisco) and the protest was less than 24 hours old.  And non-violent.  So why would you support use of excessive force on anyone?

Why don’t you read the UCDavis paper (the Aggie) account:  http://www.theaggie.org/2011/11/19/community-responds-to-police-actions-supports-non-violent-protesters-httpgoo-gl3bjgu-occupyucdavis-ucdavis/

or city of Davis info:
http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/ucd/occupy-uc-davis-sets-up-encampment-on-quad/
http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/crime-fire-courts/protests-again-gathering-steam-on-campus/

There wasn’t violence.  Disobedience, but no violence from the protesters.  Even worse, students weren’t initially treated (medically) after being pepper-sprayed. 

You may not agree with them, but you sound like a heartless f*ck.

the Davis protest happened at a Quad on campus.  it wasn’t hurting the University or the city or even a small business.  (there’s a LOT of room on the UCD campus and 200 students in a Quad doesn’t put a dent on sh*t)

shorter:
wrong rant for this thread about UCDavis students protesting a vote that raised their tuition again.

FLAKES, 

You must not have bothered to read my Post?  All you did was recapitulate my points. QUOTE: “The students got exactly what they wanted.”  (Thank you for making my point regarding a conspiracy)Also:

I did mention  ”Leninesque” propaganda and argumentation techniques?  

(The “bad guys,” [protesters] attempt to turn the “Good Guys” [Police] into the bad guys by creating a scenario with the help of propaganda and a Media that suborns such)  Comprehende?  Subversives have been using this tactic for decades!  (You may need to read that paragraph again?)

Moreover, I did mention the Police were put in pro/con “gauntlet of media reports?”

Furthermore, the Police are citizens too, and when a crime is perpetrated, such is committed against “The People,” (Read any indictment: “The “People” vs. Joe Schmoe) which includes members of the Police Force. (they are people too)Lastly, Who are you and where have you acquired the experience or expertise necessary for judging or determining how a Police officer should do his/her job, especially when that crime is contrived by silly subversives?  Typically, you, the uninitiated grossly over simplify the tasks frequently given to the police? (and, I suspect, military).

Note: I will NOT indulge you again, unless you improve your reasoning skills.

Purveyor

It doesn’t matter whether the protestors are “non-violent”. If you’re asked to move and instead you sit down obstructively and refuse to comply, you’re asking for it.

If I were “non-violently” occupying your driveway and refused to get up, move or leave when asked, should you not be allowed to pepperspray me? Or should you be expected to let me sit there and block your garage so long as I’m “non-violent”?

Would you like some cheese with your whine?

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Poster News of the World wrote:
“Why does the UC Davis Chancellor need 90 days to determine if this
behavior was acceptable or not?  Either it is or it isn’t.  The video
shows you what you need to know in order to make that determination.”

Well said.

The UC Davis community (faculty and students) should be outraged at this lukewarm response.

Have we learned nothing from the Penn State scandal where so many seemed to try to minimize the seriousness of the events that unfolded?

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

I would prefer they be shot.

You voted for Obama and your life still sucks. Everything else you say is meaningless. Go rape one of your fellow hippies, you degenerate sloth.

Not that I know much about Police protocol, but seeing as how they were dragged away, why did they feel the need to shoot pepper spray?

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Alright, you want a point by point, lets go for it.

-Turning police into the bad guys. The point of getting arrested is not to demonize the police, its to call attention to the cause at hand. True there are some crazies who will always hate anything the police do but their role in this is meant to be a side character, not the villain. In your average civil disobedience case no one pays any real attention to the police. They are just the means of getting arrested. The police in this case turned themselves into the “bad guys” by using unnecessary brutality.

-Leninesque/Socialist tactics. Gandhi was neither(he was a bit of an anarchist) and he is the inspiration for the modern nonviolent civil disobedience method of protest. He was a subversive. Sometimes that isn’t a bad thing, it depends on context.

-The real victims are the citizens who have to suffer the indignity of going around the protest. Welcome to life in modern society. There are a lot of us people on the earth. Sometimes we gather into groups that inconvenience others planned path of travel. You have to go around.

-The police and the media. Its more like anyone who does anything in the public and the media. We probably agree a lot on this, everything is twisted into a narrative that has to have a good/bad guy. I don’t agree with it or like it, but that’s how things are now. The police do have the advantage of being placed into the good guy role the bulk of the time as they deserve the bulk of the time.

-The true perps are the people on the sidewalk. That was true at the beginning, but the actions taken against them flipped the script. Think about it from their point of view, they had some message the wanted to get out. I have no idea what it is because the whole story has turned into one of police violence and they are turned into a random group who got pepper sprayed. No one is talking about what they were standing up for. Not a good way to advance your cause.

-Who am I to judge how a police officer should do his job. Most of the time, no one. In the case of an officer using clear excessive violence I am an American citizen. You seem to be very happy to watch a group you disagree with get brutalized when there was a much easier solution, I’m not. Pepper spray is horrific. I’ve been pepper sprayed before on a dare and its a big old bag of not fun for a really long time. In asthmatics it has the potential to kill. If you lined up all the people in this country who drive me nuts politically, put them on their knees and let me say the word to shoot them in the face with pepper spray I wouldn’t do it.

You seem to assume because my political leanings are left of yours that I have no idea what the police or the military do, that I don’t respect their jobs. All that shows is the immaturity of your world view. I respect anyone who serves this country or their community within it, but I refuse to let that respect turns into blind tolerance for acts like this without speaking up.

You might want to lay off reading so many quotes. You’ve forgotten how to speak for yourself.

Did you join the conversation to use that lame comeback? lol

These guys really are obsessed, no? Must have something to do with tiny penis size. That’s all I can attribute it to.

STFU? What an asshole. If the government can’t get the people to stop their protests using legal means, then the government falls. Have you not been paying attention to the world this past year, blackfon?

As to the desirability of the government falling, the Declaration of Independence says the people have the right to change governments when they cease to serve the needs of the people:

“…That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such
principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem
most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Or do you support the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence only when it is convenient for you? That is pathetic.

Well, if the most overturned court in the land says so, it must be true.

i know this may come as a shock to you, but soap and water is not medicine.

That’s funny, because Uncle Sam tear gassed me. In training.

And holding your breath until you turn blue does what about that, exactly?

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See, we have a different frame of reference. I didn’t imply washing, I said it outright. And when I say washing, I’m thinking soap.

If that were true, ACORN would never have existed.

Hole hyperbole! You, sir, are worse than Hitler!

That dangerous chemical is one of my favorite ingredients. I eat lots of it. You know what that means? It’s not a dangerous chemical. It’s an irritant.

“GAYPOCKETPOOL” !   LOL

How on earth did you come up with that?  LOL

My compliments!

I spent the days of my youth learning to do crowd control, among other things.

Aw, aren’t you just the sweetest little thing? Bless your heart.

We don’t pepper spray murderous Taliban. We shoot them or blow them up.

Yes, that’s exactly it. They got big fat checks from the Illuminati because corporations are totally petrified by students protesting government schools.

You know, UC Davis is only about a 20 minute helicopter flight from Bohemian Grove. You totally figured it out, Yoda. Very clever of you.

200+ people. That line of nitwits was blocking the path to the larger encampment that the cops were going to clear. There’s more to the incident than what you see in the frame.

JAYSON,

I am quite sure that YOU and others who Post on Mediaite, are very much aware that I know “how to speak for myself.”

Purveyor

It doesn’t say they can violate other people’s rights. Maybe they should learn how to vote. Even better, they should start looking for work.

Link please…

Link please…

Pepper spray is yummy! Nom nom nom.

Clearly you don’t read your own propaganda:
http://biggovernment.com/wthuston/2011/10/21/tea-party-group-harassed-by-ga-capitol-police-while-occupy-wall-streeters-given-pass-to-break-laws/
Or I can go liberal bias:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/29/quincy-tea-party-protest_n_556367.html

Also which group carries guns? 

I haven’t seen any pictures of guns from OWS protests (if you have a picture please send along).

I have seen guns at Tea Party protests.

As an independent I’m less afraid of the group that just shouts and more afraid of the groups that have guns EVEN IF THEY ARE LEGAL. Note let me make that clear I understand they have a legal right to bear arms, but I am LESS afraid of the group that is assembling without them.

Okay again you readily carry around soap? 

If you were pepper sprayed and I hope your not. You probably won’t be carrying around soap in your back pocket. 

Hence you’ll be groping around like your avatar gropes women for their thoughts on pizza toppings (Oh yeah I went there!)

FLAKES,

Purely out of curiosity, what significance does your choice of “avatar,” (photograph) hold for you?

At first I thought the photo was of Alois Schickelgruber, but, I have since concluded the photo is of President Chester Arthur.  They do resemble each other.  Anyway, do you admire the former President, or, simply find the photo arcane, thus clever?

Moreover, do you have any relationship with the “Schickelgruber’s” of Austria?  Alois was a public employee, perhaps you are a proponent of Public Unions?

Purveyor of Rhetoric

The convenient fact that the author left from this story is that the police told these people to move and they refused to. So this means either the cops just let them stay which is a bad precedent and leads to anarchy or the cops could physically forcibly seperating these people apart where most likely they will start resisting which will lead to more injuries or the cops can use an irritant to disorient the law breakers to arrest them without much resistance. The author makes it sound like these folks were in an area that was ok to protest in but that is not the case, they were breaking the law and resisting arrest.

Jason, you’re a sick bastard and a terrible excuse for a human being.

They should have used their clubs on these hippies.

Cops are PIGS.and ASSHOLES!

It may depend on the state you live in.
(I am not 100% sure of this)

Teachable moment?
What? That Cops are dickheads?

thanks to obama

then stfu

HItler Hitler Hitler.You watch way too much Glen Beck!

Beck plays ‘Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon,’ except there’s just one degree and Kevin Bacon is Hitler!
‘Glenn Beck Has Nazi Tourette’s’
-Lewis Black

Hey Dickhead from Texas.
Stick it up your fat ass

Hahahaha…spraying RAID on a bunch of WASPS.

You’re going to be so upset after the 2012 elections…

UC Davis Police Chief Annette Spicuzza said officers used force out
of concern for their own safety after they were surrounded by students.

“If you look at the video you are going to see that there were 200
people in that quad,” said Chief Spicuzza. “Hindsight is 20-20 and based
on the situation we were sitting in, ultimately that was the decision
that was made.”

Thanks for posting this. I am just wondering if you’re surrounded by students why would you pepper spray the students sitting down instead of the ones standing there. I am wondering, if you were surrounded by 200 unarmed people who were doing nothing at the time (watch the video) why you would start with that action to begin with. I am wondering why you would actually start as action to stir up people when they were assmbelling peacefully. I am wondering where there is any accountability.

I agree!!

‘One last note:  MLK wrote some letters while sitting in a “Birmingham Jail,”  King knew full well, “civil disobedience,” has a price.  For that matter, so did Ghandi.  
The OWS is not a movement or a protest, rather, is a fashion statement of the slovenly and misguided!’

Your disingenuous response to the OWS is exactly what many in the country and especially the South felt towards MLK and the Civil Rights Movement. For them MLK was an agitator, a subversive, who needed to be stopped. 

What he wanted was equal rights for all, especially those whose whole lives existed without it, something that seems to have got lost in your desire to ‘angle’ civil disobedience. 

I, for one am extremely happy the he took the course of action he did, having learnt the power of peaceful demonstration from Ghandi amongst others. In this country peaceful demonstration is still allowed under the First Amendment.

MLK saw there would be a cost…his life, but he believed in a better life for all and his weren’t mindless words. Like Ghandi he believed in them with his life and being, something that many, will still never fathom or understand.

For those who don’t like it? 

…Hate it or love it, but you can’t stop a movement whose ideas are come to pass. 

OWS? 

Those crazy kids and their high flalutin ideas…

…Good Luck to Them!!!

Where’s the justification to spray the protesters with pepper spray??

Were the police in physical danger??

If the police wanted the protesters to leave and they refused, drag them out of there… but to pepper spray them is excessive and unwarranted!!

When Obama wins again?

Ever hear of the Bill of Rights?
You know The 1st Amendment.
Freedom of Assembly!

Can I please pour and rub onion juice into your eyes?

Yeah. Like that would help your cause.
That would only sway the general public to support OWS.
Maybe they could turn the fire hoses on them like they did to the blacks during the civil rights moment in the 1960′s.

Or send them on a train ride to an incinerator.

That’s what the right wingers really wish to see.

If you ask me, this is the incident that’s going to break the tea party’s back. One fat, mustached police officer with a gallon of pepper spray is going to become the hero for those who can’t or won’t grasp the point of the movement and any conservatives who still support the tea party just threw their hands up in disgust.

Who controls the top TP orgs?  Billionaires.  Mark Block was running a major Tea Party through American’s for Prosperity.  The TP is so intertwined with the big money lobbying groups on K street it’s disgusting.  All you asshats did was call Obama a socialist and protest non-existent gun policies.  You cried your eyes out that the government was going to take over you medicare and social security.

As for saying you don’t care about increases in tuition, then you don’t care about normal people, you care about padding the pockets of billionaires.  You’re a puppet.  These schools are increasing rates because no revenue is coming in…why is that?  Think about it.  Why have the top corporations paid so little in the last decade?

Actually it was a Republican policy to have all tax increases in California be 3/4 approval. It has basically destroyed the California system, and it was a Conservative idea…odd how that always happens.

Smug Republicans are such gung-ho advocates of gun ownership. Some day their swaggering cops are going to run into a group of combat-tested Iraq vets in civvies who take their Second Amendment rights just as seriously as the cops take their cans of pepper spray. The result will make Kent State seem like a bake sale.

Idiots like you love to talk about the Constitution, but hate the words in it. Except maybe the parts where they talk about slavery, I bet you love those parts.

People who didn’t go to college, and hate people that went to college are some of my favorite people. How’s that trailer park working out for you?

They were on campus imbecile, if you read the article you would understand that. They blocked NO ONE from work.

They were protesting as the founders of this nation intended, and this fat, stupid cop did something which violated police policy and their civil rights. You are defending him because you are a childish ignorant who likes having company in your abstract anger and found it in talk radio. You hate, so you direct your hate for no reason on these people.

Until you TPers started stomping people’s heads, or beating up union reps (that famous SEIU incident turned out to be a Beckerhead like you who attacked union folks), so yes, you are violent, but you see you guys were supporting the system, not protesting it. But you’re too stupid to realize it.

As for your first link, let me direct you to this line that you seem to have ignored: “… and guess what? The Tea Partiers followed those laws, now didn’t they?”

You fail.

As for the second, Let’s have a look at this line: “Quincy Deputy Police Chief Curt Kelty told the Herald-Whig that “We were just trying to move them back, they complied, and it was fine.”

You fail again.

As for guns, we have illegal guns and we have Occupy Shootings:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/occupy-oakland-shooting.html

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111110/NEWS02/111110019/Breaking-Police-respond-shooting-City-Hall-Park

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/crime/2011/11/occupy-sf-protester-busted-gun-violation-arrested-again

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/mayor-ends-occupy-atlanta-when-second-amendment-exercised-with-first

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/10/robert-farago/occupy-phoenix-with-ar-15s/

That’s strike three, four, five, six and seven. Hit the showers. You’re done.

Not on my person. But then, I don’t put myself in situations where I’m bound to get pepper sprayed either.

That’s Gutfeld’s line, nitwit.

The old imagination is working overtime today, eh Dukie?

That’s Gutfeld’s line, nitwit. Know your meme.

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If I can plant a corn cob and a T-Bone in yours. Funny thing, though. I made French Onion Soup last night. Sliced 4 pounds of onions to do it. I definitely got some juice in my eyes. It’s pretty much inevitable.

Should I call the ACLU on myself?

Yeah, I don’t think you’ve got all that many combat-tested vets in your crowd. Here’s some, though: http://tinyurl.com/6uf39fz

JOHN,

Sadly, your conceit is exceeded only by your ignorance.  I do not say such as pejorative, rather, purely objective.

History is full of examples of people and beliefs who have, and continue too justify their actions, by way of assumed moral/intellectual superiority.  JOHN, do not flatter yourself, or your compatriots.  You do not “rub shoulders” with King or Ghandi, rather, your standard bearers are cut from a very different cloth, use very different methods, are desirous of very rigid outcomes… 

Quote:  ”50,000 men were sent, to do the will of one.  He phrased it all quite simply, I am the chosen one.”

Purveyor 

 We have plenty of them in “our crowd.” It’s just that hey are not the kind who brandish assault pistols in Starbucks or Tucson parking lots, that’s all. They are more the kind who don’t feel the need to shove their combat skills in everyone’s face. They are also the ones with whom you least want to get into an argument.

I’m sorry dude I asked for the links. So thank you for them! I don’t consider this really a failure. Again thank you!

I’m not sure why I need to hit the showers though is there a reason your so angry? 

I saw a few dudes on YouTube who were Rand Paul fans doing some damage to women.

Brave TPers.

It is only illegal in warfare.  Go figures.

After all of our discussions on “neutral principle,” yet, you can’t apply such to the OWS and the variety of behavior exhibited by them?

Our founding Fathers used the printing press and posted flyers and pamphlets.  The Founder’s managed to start a revolution and defeat what was effectively, a foreign occupying Army.  The American Revolution of 1776 was very different, as well as legitimate, compared to the selfish rabble of the erratic and inconsistent OWS. 

I wonder if you and the OWS crew, would “mutually pledge to each other, [your] lives, [your] fortunes and your sacred honor?”  I suspect this nascent protest movement is merely ‘haute couture’ for the scruffy, unkempt and tragically misguided as they will be the “canon fodder” of their own revolution! 

Purveyor

LOL! Keep rationalizing. You might just convince yourself that the officer was justified.

And you’re correct, this guy will probably get full pay and benefits while he’s being “investigated.” Something tells me you and the baggers will be fine with that, which is antithetical to everything you claim to be about. And why is it ok for a police officer to milk the system but not a labor union? Because police officers are usually Republican. Pretty pathetic.

…Purely objective?

Of course. Let me put it this way…

You can think whatever you like about those kids at their University Campus using their First Amendment Rights as Americans, but however do not pretend to have some vague understanding of Martin Luther King beyond the typical narrow minds exuded by many previous others…

MLK and Ghandi stood up for the downtrodden and the dispossessed and with principled action. Something, that you struggle to relate with or understand.

MLK and Ghandi actively worked through peaceful and non violent means, which were at the core of their beliefs. Again, something you struggle to understand, since you think Pepper Spraying is perfectly acceptable to non violent students sitting on their campus.

I couldn’t begin to meet your level of ignorance. It’s a level, that I have never encountered and couldn’t begin to comprehend…

As far as ‘rubbing shoulders?’

You are speculating and nothing more…

…Congratulations!

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I suppose the university would have preferred real bullets as to spray.  UC, full of pseudo intellectual idiots.

According to your name you are a zit face dateless 14 yr old boy alone masturbating in your room.

Where can I donate to the UC Davis pepper spray fund?

This is not OWS!  All that they have to do is walk back to their student housing to shower. They were,  just like every other California university system school, protesting another tuition hike of 9% or more. I’m surprised you didn’t refer to them as “hippies”.

This is not OWS! All they have to do is walk back ti their student housing for a shower. They are, just like every California university system school, protesting and tuition hike, this time of 9% or more. I’m surprised you, like people of your ilk,  didn’t refer to them as “hippies”.

All they had to do was get off the sidewalk…

You, it would seem, are a facist.

Per usual, you’re full of it. I don’t care — no one here cares — if you give yourself refreshing douches with pepper spray.

The fact remains that it’s a dangerous chemical. If it wasn’t it wouldn’t be very useful, now would it?

Your nonsense quotient is getting uncomfortably high for someone who aspires to rise above the usual pus-squirting that so characterizes this site.

This also highlights how your interpretation of “neutral principles” has become totally irrelevant to the current situation — to the extent that such principles have any relevance to anything, which I doubt. (For me, the whole “neutral principle” nonsense is pointless flapdoodle, but that’s a discussion for another time.)

You insist on comparing the rebels of 1776 with the protestors of 2011 and there are some broad similarities. Both are opposing evil, for instance. However, the similarities and differences are mostly meaningless, because the times, the opposition, and the world situation are so different that comparisons are pointless.

And this highlights a constant problem with your posts. You attempt to apply some sort of model of human behavior that doesn’t correspond with actual patterns of behavior, so you always end up looking slightly out-of-touch with reality.

You need to work on that.

You do realize that the above is utterly pointless drivel, I trust.

Just checking.

Ah, the American Wingnut in all his glory. Any questions now as to why the right wing has lost America?

These students should be shot, quite frankly.
Unless I agreed with their politics, in which case I would proclaim them American heroes. 

Sorry, Can’t agree with you less.
Revolution? This is the government attacking their own citizens! Do we have freedom of speech and assembly or not? Do you wish to have our country run like a police state?
We have freedoms in this country. The right wingers wikkll just have to deal with it. with each passing day public opioin is growing for OWS. The police with these brutal tactics will only sway the opioins for the protestors.

But it is good to hear from you. Just as well. We don’t have to agree. At least we do not today.but it is nice when we do find common ground;)

“Officers in pepper spray incident placed on leave”

http://news.yahoo.com/officers-pepper-spray-incident-placed-leave-182151195.html

The cop deserves to be fired!!

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I’m all for shooting them but we also arrest them when possible. You’re like Hermann Cain: you side step factual points and the subject in general by trying to make a little quibble about something or by making a bad joke. 

A lot of your comments on this site are like that.

GovernmentTookOverMedia:
Thank you for saying what needed to be said: the last election was a fraud and the media is under 24 hour censorship from the government.

Only true patriots like us can provide real Americans with the truth. 

My sympathies are with the Police Officer.

Purveyor

I too don’t support the use of pepper spray.  I wish the cops used bullets.

Object lesson: America, please note (above) what you get for your money when you vote wingnut.

Need I say more?

I this the counter I come to for bulk nuts?

You’d still have to pass the psych test. I wouldn’t waste your time or that of the examiners.

The unarmed people were chanting “shame.” Obviously they needed to be sent to prison camps, starting with the ones writhing in agony on the ground.

Right.

If I were a police officer I’d be pretty ashamed for my profession today. I mean, even if you happen to believe that the protestors should have been shot dead, would you have done so in this way?

Those cops were incompetent, first to be let out of the station house with dangerous weapons and secondly in not understanding how to deal with protestors and crowds generally.

Maybe these cops aren’t evil, just stupid. Although when stupidity verges into evil — as it so often does — is the distinction meaningful?

Vicious morons like Texan are showing their true colors. Sane people — Americans — will reject these jerks and they will retreat to the rocks they usually hide under.

November 2010 was the high water mark for the Teepers, and now they’ll just fade away into the clouds of resentment that hang over them, Pigpen-like. Their disappointment that life hasn’t brought them a pony is heartbreaking, isn’t it?

they weren’t treated with soap and water, Mr. I Don’t Research Anything Before I Spew Inaccuracies.

not that you care that two were treated at a hospital instead of by the UCD paramedics.

Duh. No, I wouldn’t be allowed to pepperspray you in my driveway. That’s assault and battery, the same crime the Davis cop is guilty of. It’s also how you and your lawyer would get rich.

The smart thing to do would be to call the cops, who would drag the driveway sitters away without subjecting them to chemical assault.

Then the cops would get to do their jobs the next day, instead of getting their asses suspended and probably fired. Actually, firing several of the police at Davis that day would be a benefit for the rest of us, since they’re clearly too stupid to be let out in public with state-provided weapons.

What part of “professional,” “reasonable,” and “behaving legally” don’t you understand?

Silly question. All of it, obviously.

And perhaps sandbagged as well. However it happened, something has come loose.

One hopes he/she hasn’t managed to reproduce yet.

Pablo is clearly deranged. I think we do the community a favor by keeping him/her distracted here.

Infreakingfuriating!

SHAME ON YOU!

Nah. Common-variety sack of shit. They’re prevalent in this neighborhood.

VOLT,

Apparently you forgot: “free speech,” isn’t absolute? The Supreme Court has ruled and applied in a variety of cases, any number of times, that “TIME, PLACE and MANNER” restrictions may be applied to the 1st amendment.

Those, “Intermediate scrutiny,” restrictions must:
1.) Be “content neutral”
2.) Be narrowly tailored
3.) Serve a significant governmental interest
4.) Leave open ample alternative channels for communication

“CONTENT BASED RESTRICTIONS,” aka. VIEWPOINT-BASED RESTRICTIONS:
Are restrictions that apply to certain viewpoints but not others face the “HIGHEST LEVEL OF SCRUTINY,” and/or “STRICT SCRUTINY.” For instance, banning the OWS because of the political position of the group would require “strict scrutiny.” Very rarely has the court sided with a State/Government actor, in such a case.

IMPORTANT:
As you can see, “content based restrictions” on the OWS would be improper, however, “intermediate” considerations should have been applied as such is applied to virtually every other group applying for a permit to Rally, EVEN THE TEA PARTY! So, why did the OWS receive special privileges? (Protest went on for months without proper permits) Perhaps the various localities were concerned about possible crime or violence?

Do you still think the 1st amendment is absolute? How about Obscenity? (Miller v. California, 1973) What about “Fighting Words?” Meaning, words that are likely to induce the listener to get into a fight. (Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire)

Should I continue?

Virtually every moment of the OWS protest violated 1st amendment standards, but for some reason, “equal protection” was not applied? IS THAT FAIR? As I said in another Post, the OWS was using a classic “Leninesque” tactic of turning the good guys, (police) into the bad guys!

Apparently, you and others fell for the scam, I wonder who will clean up the mess?

Purveyor

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Probably from where he lives. It’s not legal in all 50 States. I’m sure that you watch late night TV and have seen the ads for the Trojan Vibrator. *It’s illegal in about 8 States-evidently men in those states are afraid that they aren’t needed or that their women folk will figure out that they won’t be needed in the future. LOL

What if the Klan and the No-Nazi’s decided to block the thoroughfare at Berkley, maybe even burn some hand held crosses, would that be OK with you?

What if the NAZI’s took over the Park in New York and camped out, seig heiled, flew the swastika, would that be OK with you ? What about neutral principle and equal protection?

Everything is copascetic until “your Ox is gored.” Hmm?

Pablo,
  You really need to study thing about Pepper Spray, such as the MSDS and the treatment of it’s use. Soap and Water will only exasperate the pain. Here’s an idea that you might try on yourself. Put some Icy Hot in the crotch area of your Underwear, put them on. Then tell me what taking a “shower” does for you.

 Hint Soap & Water don’t help. As for the Icy Hot part Baby Powder is just about the only thing that works. As for Pepper Spray in the Eyes, Contact Lense solution is the best only when squirted straight into the eyes. And as I’m sure that you aren’t aware of the fact Pepper Spray can kill those with Asthma.

My guess for sending those two to a “regular” hospital is that they had the least chemical burns, or it could be that the Hospital at UC-D was overloaded.

What, were they out of fire hoses? What an ass these pea wit cops have made of America.

LEE,

Did you READ the entire article?  The part discreetly located toward the bottom that talks about Police Standards for use of compliance tools, such as pepper spray?

Virtually supports the Police and NOT the Anarchists.

This issue has very little to do with civil liberties, rather, is about subversive techniques.  Read Saul Alinsky, I did…  Since 1911, Socialist’s have been using these techniques to destroy the bourgeoisie.  What a “wonderful world” it will be when “each according to his abilities, to each according their needs,” is realized.  East Germany was a paradise.  Great cars, ill fitting clothes and bland food!  And the WOMEN!

PAY ATTENTION!

O.k., we seem to disagree on the police officer’s actions!! If the officer was following department rules, then why do you think he was placed on “leave” for the over use (my opinion) of the pepper spray??

I did not read the article from yahoo!! Just posted it here as a update for the readers of the article here!!

That has to be one of the most ignorant comments (from OSux above) I have read here in a long time!! Remarkable!!

he was placed on “leave” to shut you police haters up. he’ll be back on the job after a well deserved paid vacation. ;)

I’m sure a fellow “tea” would help you out! They would be giddy to cause pain and hurt someone,… proof is on this site!

Respectfully:

Of course my Conservative inclinations lead me to conclude that the “main stream Media” is biased to the Left.  Hence, and succinctly put, I conclude the Police Officers in every OWS protest are deliberately being put, in untenable positions.  The “puppeteer’s” who are actually pulling the strings on this loose conspiracy are attempting to make anything on the right look bad.  Especially the POLICE!

Follow the Media, look how many have fallen for a tactic that is as old as Lenin and the Media is disseminating an unbalanced viewpoint on good vs. evil.  For pete Sake the NVA and Viet Cong used the same tactics to make the American Military look bad and breed hatred at home.  America won the battle of the Tet offensive, yet, Walter Cronkite and company told the folks at home, we lost!

Remember, this is NOT about freedom of speech.  These people are hiding behind that august guarantor of our liberty, the first amendment… they are perverting it and using our own virtue, against us!LEE,

Don’t buy what these people are selling?  Think for yourself!

Purveyor

Yummy.

And sure.Whatever floats your boat.

Those, “Intermediate scrutiny,” restrictions must:1.) Be “content neutral”2.) Be narrowly tailored3.) Serve a significant governmental interest4.) Leave open ample alternative channels for communicationI never saw any of these retrictions in the Bill of Rights.
The supreme Court has also ruled (And Willard Agrees) that Corperations are people Too!
This last ruling may destroy our country from within. Greed and corporate money is how all politicians will be elected now. You thought you saw attack ads in the last national  election. wait for them this year. In fact they have already started.

‘What if the NAZI’s took over the Park in New York and camped out, seig heiled, flew the swastika, would that be OK with you ? What about neutral principle and equal protection’…… would not agree with what they represent. But I do believe even they have a right to free speach.

The cops are the good guys?(Maybe in a fantasy like on the old TV series Adam-12) That’s like saying Congress is a bunch of good guys. Sorry but that is BS.In a perfect world we would be able to trust our government and police. Local and federal.It’s always about the money (For them!) .. Most Cops I know are arrogant.Not all of them mind you.But a great deal of them are plain jerks. A total power trip!

White anglo saxon protestants?
What are you smoking in your pipe?

Didn’t shut me up Tex.  He is still an ASSHOLE!!!!!!

I dunno. It seems pretty clear to me that *this* is where I get the bulk nuts.

This was just awful.  These rent a cops need to get better training on being a human being. Shameful.  I do not support the OWS and the violence some are involved in.  But this is just wrong.  Guy should be fired.

Since they were students, didn’t they pay to be there?

You’re just a tool and you ain’t the sharpest one in the shed.

If you honestly think most soldiers who join the military are joining because they love the country and not the benefits they get afterwards, you are the worst sort of naive person.

I have a lot of military friends, and all of them love their country. But they all joined up because College was too expensive, they didn’t have the grades for scholarships, and they needed the help.

These UC davis police officers are a bunch of pussies who could never make as real police officers. That’s why they pepper spray young adults who protesting peacefully ,which is their right as an American .that’s how this country was founded.please let me reiterate that it takes a pussy to pick on young adults who are unarmed peaceful protesters.I would be embarrassed to my core to do something like this.I am just a garbage man,but both of my children have graduated from the UC system.I would have never stood for this type of action at all,as these students,and their parents pay these clowns wages.can all these cowards.D.Walker

Hitler like storm trooper PEPPER SPRAYING PROTESTORS. Hitlers Nazi officers used real bullets. BUT SAME MENTALITY BY THE COPS AND GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS. THOSE KIDS TAKING THIS TREATMENT AND PROTESTING ARE MY HEROES. I would love to join them, but I am going to lockup for shooting a cop in the LEG.

Laughed out loud. What a bunch of worthless dumb masses. Couldn’t have happened to a better bunch of silly twits.

**A Brief History/The Current State of Affairs of the California Higher Education System**
…as understood by a California resident and an alumn of a (have we mentioned public?) University of California…

In the 60s, California State government made a “Master Plan” for education, hoping to create an amazing public education system for K-12 and beyond (they actually called it an unofficial “promise” to the people of California).  It succeeded, until tax cuts and budget rearrangements started paring down the proportion of money spent on education.  Now, the UCs (still ranked among the top public schools in the nation) are budgeted by the UC Regents, who are extremely representative of (dare I use this rhetoric) “the 1%” of California, and have little investment in the world of academia save what research they can get done for their private corporations and what construction projects they can kick back to their own companies.  Additionally, more out-of-state applicants are being accepted and ousting the in-state, tax-paying prospies for the sake of their higher tuitions.

These students protesting because the UCs SHOULDN’T be the expensive universities, especially for in-state students.  When you start needing to take out student loans to attend state schools, you know you’ve hit a point where SOMETHING has to be done.

Please do some research before making blanket-statements about those involved in current events.  It’s really not that hard.

I like your passion

Correct

Really… welcome to 1984