Great! – The President says we can “absorb” another 9-11!!!

- but can we “ABSORB” another term of Democrat control of Congress?

NO!!!!!!

Vote the Terrorist Appeasing Democrats OUT OF OFFICE!!!! —– 11-02-10!!!!!!

“It seems amazing that an emerging conservative superstar could firmly confess to having been a witch, and yet continue to count on support from social conservatives,” –Tommy–

She said this was when she was in freaking high school. Yeah, us conservatives worry a lot about what people did in high school. Furthermore, I’d like to get the inside story on her middle school days too.

So, now she’s a liar? Wow, the left really has no idea what to do. Keep grasping at straws, you’ve almost got enough for a new hat!

” Investigation best way to find answer . ” Get Woodward and Bernstein on it .

Leaving aside O’Donnell’s cartoonish description of the date, the idea that a witch would bring her to a Satanic altar is as plausible as a Catholic taking someone on a date to a Mormon church pew. It’s not that it’s impossible, it just makes no sense. Wicca and Satanism, as a Wiccan opponent of O’Donnell points out, are not compatible.”

Sure it is compatible if the guy she went out with had no idea what he was doing and was confusing witchcraft with Satanism like the MSN DID!

it says more about the left than Christine O’Donnell that they would rather talk about her then say, the economy, housing crisis, etc. Keep it up guys, you’re shooting yourselves in the foot.

When’s Obama gonna start earning his ludicrous and worthless JOKE of a radical-left “award” called the Nobel Peace Prize!

Nobel, Pulitzer, Oscars…they’ve all been BASTARDIZED to represent the dysfunctional politic of the radical left – NOTHING MORE!!!

Welcome back Tommy – glad to see you didn’t miss a beat. Since the “witch” thingy didn’t work out (and when did she ever claim she was a witch anyway? putting words in her mouth?) you now claim she is a liar.

Some things just never change.

Too funny.

Glad to see you back and the keyboard keeping up your attacks on all things conservative. Mediaite needs you, they don’t have enough lefties on board as it stands. :-)

Tommy, I hope your recovery is going well. Your health scare obviously did not impede your witty (if misguided) pen.

Who Really Believes That Christine O’Donnell Dabbled in Witchcraft?”

Who Really Believes That Tommy Christopher Dabbles in Unbiased Journalism????

My guess is that is was all a big exaggeration, and that in reality she was just a big Dungeons & Dragons fan. That makes more sense because people who play D&D also do not have sex.

NORBIT said:
Great! – The President says we can “absorb” another 9-11!!! – but can we “ABSORB” another term of Democrat control of Congress? NO!!!!!! Vote the Terrorist Appeasing Democrats OUT OF OFFICE!!!! —– 11-02-10!!!!!!

NORBIT said:
When’s Obama gonna start earning his ludicrous and worthless JOKE of a radical-left “award” called the Nobel Peace Prize! Nobel, Pulitzer, Oscars…they’ve all been BASTARDIZED to represent the dysfunctional politic of the radical left – NOTHING MORE!!!

DO you even KNOW what post you ARE commenting ON?????!!!!!

TfT said:
Welcome back Tommy – glad to see you didn’t miss a beat.

Really? You’re glad I didn’t miss a beat?

lonestar77 said:
“It seems amazing that an emerging conservative superstar could firmly confess to having been a witch, and yet continue to count on support from social conservatives,” –Tommy– She said this was when she was in freaking high school. Yeah, us conservatives worry a lot about what people did in high school. Furthermore, I’d like to get the inside story on her middle school days too. So, now she’s a liar? Wow, the left really has no idea what to do. Keep grasping at straws, you’ve almost got enough for a new hat!

Sure, you don’t care what they did in High School, but you care what they did in college, don’t you? Like Chris Coons writing that paper joking about how he’s a bearded Marxist? Or how Van Jones was a Communist in college or soon thereafter.

I don’t think people should be worried what O’Donnell did in high school. They should be worried what she would do if elected to the Senate.

OMG Tommy, I didn’t even consider that you would misinterpret my remark. Please forgive me, I meant no play on words…..simply an expression of your continuity with regard to attacking conservatives. I really am glad your ticker is fixed and you can put your heart (and soul) back into your work. Is that better?

Or how Van Jones was a Communist in college or soon thereafter.

How old was he when he became a 9/11 truther?

soccermom said:
Or how Van Jones was a Communist in college or soon thereafter. How old was he when he became a 9/11 truther?

Touche, but you get my point…I hope.

(Hope you are well, Tommy)

While we are laughing about this things are turning bad for Tommy and his Comrades in New York.

Survey USA poll………
New York voters will, unusually, elect 2 United States Senators in 2010. In the Special Election to fill the final 2 years of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s term, incumbent Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand and former Congressman Republican Joe DioGuardi today finish effectively even, Gillibrand’s nominal 1-point lead being within the survey’s theoretical margin of sampling error. Gillibrand leads in the 5 boroughs of NYC, trails elsewhere. Men vote Republican, women vote Democrat and, in this contest, cancel each other out. Lower-income voters break significantly Democrat. Middle-income and upper-income voters break slightly Republican.

The reactionary right has adopted victimhood, irresponsibility, and revolutionary change… Practitioner of the occult is just one of many new and ironic badges for the sash.

Actually stooge, your comment would have merit IF O’Donnell were still dabbling in witchcraft. Don’t insult our intelligence by insinuating the communist/socialist talk is crazy when Obama surrounds himself almost entirely with those who dabble in it. Nice try though!

I love it. The Republicans have released their pledge to curb deficits, lower taxes, and instill more responsibility and accountability into our federal government. And the Left wants to talk about witchcraft.

Is it really hard to figure out how voters will react to this?

So, soccermom, my comment saying that we shouldn’t focus on what O’Donnell did in high school is without merit to you?

Glenn Beck surrounds himself with religious anti-gay nuts…what’s your point?

The people that surround Obama, have they stated they are Communist and Socialist, or did they just say things that make you think they are Communist and Socialist?

How is he socialist when he has signed bills and/or supported bills that gave billions (of our money) to Big Businesses and banks? He is a corporatist, I’ll give you that.

I would stay and debate this, but my lunch break is over and I have work to do. Respond at will!

stoogedudes said:
So, soccermom, my comment saying that we shouldn’t focus on what O’Donnell did in high school is without merit to you? Glenn Beck surrounds himself with religious anti-gay nuts…what’s your point? The people that surround Obama, have they stated they are Communist and Socialist, or did they just say things that make you think they are Communist and Socialist? How is he socialist when he has signed bills and/or supported bills that gave billions (of our money) to Big Businesses and banks? He is a corporatist, I’ll give you that. I would stay and debate this, but my lunch break is over and I have work to do. Respond at will!

By the way, what I said about Glenn Beck, the Black Robe regiment or whatever its called is full of them. Doesn’t mean Beck is anti-gay. In fact, I doubt he is.

Christine O’Donnell’s Politically Incorrect appearance, it should also be noted, came on the heels of the release of The Blair Witch Project, the culmination of a decade that saw witches attain the kind of sexy teen cachet now reserved for mopey vampires. Her “confession” was not just sensational, it was topical.

When Christine O’Donnell was on Politically Incorrect, she may have been an Al Gore in training. She was using her stint on Politically Incorrect to hone her skills in telling a good yarn.

Tommy Christopher said:
Really? You’re glad I didn’t miss a beat?

That’s a great response. Welcome back.

there’s only one sure way to find out if she’s a witch. throw her into a pond and see if she floats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

TfT said:
OMG Tommy, I didn’t even consider that you would misinterpret my remark. Please forgive me, I meant no play on words…..simply an expression of your continuity with regard to attacking conservatives. I really am glad your ticker is fixed and you can put your heart (and soul) back into your work. Is that better?

You stepped in it, Dude.

Felix,

Both are predicated on mysticism and benefit derived through sacrificial alchemy.

felixw said:
I love it. The Republicans have released their pledge to curb deficits, lower taxes, and instill more responsibility and accountability into our federal government. And the Left wants to talk about witchcraft. Is it really hard to figure out how voters will react to this?

Not me. I want to talk about her plan for a Constitutional amendment to prohibit masturbation. All over America, high school and college students and the Palin children and other drop-outs are suffering terrible angst.

She was definitely lying.

Everyone knows there are no fat witches.

TfT said:
OMG Tommy, I didn’t even consider that you would misinterpret my remark. Please forgive me, I meant no play on words…..simply an expression of your continuity with regard to attacking conservatives. I really am glad your ticker is fixed and you can put your heart (and soul) back into your work. Is that better?

backpeddler…why don’t you stand up for what you said? We all see your posts and know how you really feel.

Are you afraid Tommy will block you? Then what would you do while unemployed?

“In the white-hot cyclone of witchcraft, campaign finance, and masturbation that surrounds the Christine O’Donnell (R-DE) story,”

White hot cyclone???? That’s what this BS is? A white hot cyclone? Geez, I wonder what a real story will be described as?

felixw said:
he Republicans have released their pledge to curb deficits, lower taxes, and instill more responsibility and accountability into our federal government.

Youre kidding right? It should be called pledge to have you really believe that we will curb deficits, lower taxes, and instill more responsibility and accountability into our federal government this time, we really, really do.

Throw these RINO’s out
LETS MOVE FARTHER FIGHT

Bill is promising another release on Friday,

Sounds like fun.

TfT said:
OMG Tommy, I didn’t even consider that you would misinterpret my remark. Please forgive me, I meant no play on words

Just messing with you. It would be funnier if you had meant it.

I’m noticing that none of O’Donnell’s defenders are answering the title question.

The Real Royal King said:
I want to talk about her plan for a Constitutional amendment to prohibit masturbation.

Dude , you’re in (ahem) Italy (snicker) , put your bologna away and go outside for crissakes.

I figured as much Tommy – that your remark on my remark was more tongue in cheek than serious; I recognize your sense of humor.

I’m a conservative, it’s against the conservative nature to wish harm on anyone.

Tommy, it might be because we don’t take you seriously as a journalist. Having said that, as someone who isn’t “a defender” of O’Donnell, just someone who is sick of the leftist media attacking her, I don’t know and don’t care. Seriously, aren’t there more important issues for us to discuss, or would you rather divert attention from them since they hurt your side?

Well that’s interesting about Mike Warnke. He’s actually a funny guy and I thought his book about his Satanic experiences and the death threats was just bizarre. As for ODonnell, We don’t know, We probably won’t know, and who cares? I honestly fail to see any useful purpose in this kind of speculation. There are much more relevant issues to deal with. Explore the charges of her illegal use of campaign funds and more relevant contemporary issues.

Soccermom,

Tommy asked a good question… I suppose he could have asked why Republicans are pledging to further feed the already engorged rich by extending the Bush era tax cuts… Or about the historic record of cutting government spending while the economy withers from a lack of demand… Perhaps your side is the one which benefits here…

I suppose he could have asked why Republicans are pledging to further feed the already engorged rich by extending the Bush era tax cuts…

How about a large portion of those “fatcats” are small business owners, like the one I work for, who will hire if the tax cuts are kept in place, but may layoff if they aren’t.

I’m just going to jump in here and say that at first read, I couldn’t disagree with the premise of this post, more and unless something unforeseen happens or the comment thread goes into a different direction, I’ll likely post a book-length comment sometime during the night.

Soccermom,

Simply not true that a large portion of small businesses will be affected… But easy to see why you believe it to be true.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/aug/04/distorting-democratic-plans-bush-tax-cuts/

Tommy, I will answer your question….

I believe she probably did…she was a kid. Kids dabble in everything.

From about 12 or 13 on, kids become PC (Potential Criminals) The theory is that individually most are pretty good, but as a group they break more laws, go outside of the bounds of normal behavior.

So did she…I believe it!

For that matter, so did I. My grandmother bought me an Ouiji Board for Christmas when I was 16. Grandma and I played it one time, the evening of the 26th of December. When that “Thing” started moving, I said “Grandma, why are you moving it?”

She said that she wasn’t. It creeped me out!

The next day, I took it back to the store and traded it in on a Dick Dale record album.

I never have liked that stuff.

So yes, even I dabbled in Witchcraft. No big deal…it is what people do when they are kids. Even that cute little boy of yours has about 10 years to go and you will be wondering what the hell did you do wrong with him. – Not to worry, every parent goes thru it.

That goes for O’Donnell too. Time to go onto another subject.

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Tommy Christopher said:
I’m noticing that none of O’Donnell’s defenders are answering the title question.

Who Really Believes That Christine O’Donnell Dabbled in Witchcraft?”

Sorry Tommy, but the real question should be Who really gives a shit if Christine O’Donnell dabbled in witchcraft? And in high school for pete’s sake, isn’t there anything else more important out there?

Hey Greg, and Obamacare will lower costs and you will be able to keep your current policy if you wish.

Tommy Christopher said:
Really? You’re glad I didn’t miss a beat?

Hah

“Who Really Believes That Christine O’Donnell Dabbled in Witchcraft?”

Personally, I don’t care if she is a witch, a bitch, or both. If she beats the bearded Marxist, I’ll buy her a cauldron and throw in the following:

Scale of dragon, tooth of wolf,
Witches’ mummy, maw and gulf
Of the ravin’d salt-sea shark,
Root of hemlock digg’d i’ the dark,
Liver of blaspheming Jew,
Gall of goat, and slips of yew
Silver’d in the moon’s eclipse,
Nose of Turk and Tartar’s lips,
Finger of birth-strangled babe
Ditch-deliver’d by a drab,
Make the gruel thick and slab:
Add thereto a tiger’s chaudron,
For the ingredients of our cauldron.

This is the left to a tee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJFA6uEfUlM&feature=fvst

Soccermom,

As you have changed the subject rather than defend your position further… I will play along. The CBO analysis shows deficit reduction for the next ten years… Further analysis clouded by uncertainty that is the natural concomitant of long term forcasting…

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11355/hr4872.pdf

Wait till the C-SPAN 1990′s tape of O”Donnell saying Bill Clinton was involved in the1993 suicide or death as she called it of White House aide Vince Foster makes the rounds.Alvin Green D-SC candidate for Senate might be worse but at least he stays off TV.

Tommy Christopher said:
I’m noticing that none of O’Donnell’s defenders are answering the title question.

I did.

Tommy Christopher said:
I’m noticing that none of O’Donnell’s defenders are answering the title question.

So you admit your article is an attack piece? Good, good.

Greg said:
CBO analysis shows deficit reduction for the next ten years

Not quite. But I understand, you want to play a silly little game. I guess to a leftist like you, a $665 billion deficit qualifies as a “reduction”. Still, it is a pretty high deficit, dontcha think? How about no deficits?

Below are more recent projections (August 2010, not March, when Democrats lied to pass Obamacare):

For 2010, the current fiscal year, CBO projects the deficit will come in at around $1.34 trillion, down just slightly from its $1.35 trillion estimate in March.
For 2011, CBO says the deficit will come in at $1.07 trillion, up from $980 billion estimated in March.
For 2012 and 2013 the deficits would be $665 billion and $525 billion, compared with $650 billion and $539 billion in March.

The projections involve several assumptions that likely make them optimistic. They assume the Bush-era tax cuts expire at the end of 2010, for example, and also that Congress makes no further annual adjustments to prevent the alternative minimum tax from hitting middle-class taxpayers.

Deficits are projected to decline every year until 2015 when they start to climb again, under pressure from baby boomer retirements and mounting interest payments on government debt.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100819-709311.html

BTW hotshot, explain to everyone how Obamacare ensures 30,000,000 more people (not counting the illegals that the Democrats want to legalize and cover) yet deficits won’t rise? Oh and uh, it looks like your ten years of lower deficits are a lie. Later.

Greg, I was just adding to the list of Obama lies that you are ignoring. If you google you can also find articles that say ending the tax cuts WOULD hurt small business. No matter what your position is, you can find support for it. Hey, why are SO many Dems against ending the tax cuts and why are they avoiding a vote until AFTER the elections?

chucken said:
Wait till the C-SPAN 1990’s tape of O”Donnell saying

Hey Chicken…We all know you don’t like O’Dpnnell…we get that….
Try telling us what Coons will do when he becomes a Senator….

Remember, he is Harry Reids pet!

How is he going to be an independent voice being a pet?

stoogedudes said:
DO you even KNOW what post you ARE commenting ON?????!!!!!

Way to go, Stoogedudes!!! I think Norbit has a few soundbites he clipped out of the Washington Times, and he pastes them onto each article in the site. He is never on topic; he just spews a lot of nonsensical hatred about, hoping it will land somewhere. He is to be pittied, in the same manner that we pity Gordon. A couple of simplistic people that need these sites to feel important.

soccermom said:
Seriously, aren’t there more important issues for us to discuss, or would you rather divert attention from them since they hurt your side?

Unfortunately, I missed most of the emergence of the O’Donnell story due to unforeseen circumstances, so while there certainly are more important aspects to this story, I had to confine myself to angles that haven’t already been exhausted.

I do find this question fascinating, but more from a social standpoint than a political one. As I said in a previous post (in the comments), O’Donnell may have no future as a Senator, but she has truckloads of appeal that will carry her beyond this if she plays her cards right.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-anchor-admits-in-real-time-that-christine-odonnell-witch-graphic-is-a-bit-much/

As far as distracting, this witchcraft/masturbation thing has actually helped to distract from O’Donnell’s truly revolting positions on gay issues.

T.C.?

At least when she is riding around on her broom she isn’t slouching…..

gordonbloyershow said:
While we are laughing about this things are turning bad for Tommy and his Comrades in New York.

Survey USA poll………
New York voters will, unusually, elect 2 United States Senators in 2010. In the Special Election to fill the final 2 years of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s term, incumbent Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand and former Congressman Republican Joe DioGuardi today finish effectively even, Gillibrand’s nominal 1-point lead being within the survey’s theoretical margin of sampling error. Gillibrand leads in the 5 boroughs of NYC, trails elsewhere. Men vote Republican, women vote Democrat and, in this contest, cancel each other out. Lower-income voters break significantly Democrat. Middle-income and upper-income voters break slightly Republican.

Basil – not a day goes by that you don’t give me a good laugh. That really goes for all you tea-bagging lunatics.

felixw said:
I love it. The Republicans have released their pledge to curb deficits, lower taxes, and instill more responsibility and accountability into our federal government. And the Left wants to talk about witchcraft.

Is it really hard to figure out how voters will react to this?

can you please explain HOW this will be done? do you even know? Here’s some relevant things for you;
This candidate ha a history of fiscal IRresponsibility in her personal life and she wants to instruct me on how she will exhibit responsibility with MY money in washington? BullSH*T!
This candidate has stated that she opposes stem cell research because they are using it to create mice with human brains.
If this is your idea of responsibility and accountability, I pray for you.

Tommy Christopher said:
actually helped to distract from O’Donnell’s truly revolting positions on gay issues.

Yeah, because compared to trillion dollar deficits, a totally screwed up economy, or the nationalization and inevitable decline of the US health care system, gay issues like DADT are so much more important.

Azarkhan said:
Yeah, because compared to trillion dollar deficits, a totally screwed up economy, or the nationalization and inevitable decline of the US health care system, gay issues like DADT are so much more important.

Yes, human rights are the most important thing in society.

Tommy Christopher said:
I’m noticing that none of O’Donnell’s defenders are answering the title question.

Doesn’t the word “dabbled” imply it was something done in the past. Upon further investigation, it was during her high school years, a time she did not practice her faith. She regained her Christian faith in college which means her slight brush with the pagan rituals of witchcraft was something in her past is done with. In your article, you speculated she may have embellished her high school experience on Politically Incorrect. Whether she did or not dabbled in witchcraft during high school is a non-issue. She does not use that experience to shape her political motives.

i am a 100% for my my old friend cris – by=ut the moeons who try to make the eklection in my hiome state of delaware about
witchcracrat” are total morons…..

and thats the way i sincerly feel.

f thsese fools////

“…few have examined whether or not it actually happened….”

What’s to examine? She admitted it, then excused the activity as “something I did when I was a teenager.”

What’s to examine? She’s a nutcase.

WOW REALLY!?!?!? I hope she wins the general so everyone gets scared. I think a jade candle will do the trick.

yes i think she did cause i knew chicks that were into it back then too.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Yes, human rights are the most important thing in society.

Guess what fool. If society falls apart, all the human rights in the world aren’t gonna help your ass.

Hey batgirl I don’t live in DE and only know Coons is a lifelong pol but unlike O’Donnell I bet Coons did not accuse George W Bush of murder like witchgirl did about Clinton being involved in Vince Foster’s death.Unless you think Clinton was or it is not a really big deal to accuse a sitting president of murder.Dumbass.

The main question is why would anyone dedicate this much thought to what the woman said in a decade old clip, telling an anecdote that was even further back, to her high school years. The amazing part of this lengthy “Gotcha” story? The abject lack of factual content. This entire piece is pure speculation, absent of facts. To wit, these are the hard-hitting quotes from T.C.:

– it just makes no sense
– Also strange is her claim. . .
– . . . which begs the question
– Her “confession” was not just sensational, it was topical.
– the inauthenticity of her story makes it a fair question.

The culmination of this piece actually illustrates the fallicy therein.

While everyone seems happier to gloss over the issue, wouldn’t it be a wonderful inversion of history if, in order to retain support from social conservatives, O’Donnell had to produce proof that she was a witch?

She did not at all claim to be a witch. She “dabbled” in high school, and hung out with some people involved. She even says repeatedly she was never in a coven. So how exactly can she prove she was while claiming directly she was not? Your rampant partisanship has been a vacuum around here.

But in all seriousness Tommy, feel better and full recovery to you.

Most of the tea party is right. Why should we care about this high school witchcraft junk, but had this been Coons claim, it would have been the worst thing that ever happened! She has enough problems OR SHOULD with no job background, tax problems and foreclosers, but thats ok with the tea party!

timcajun said:
Most of the tea party is right. Why should we care about this high school witchcraft junk, but had this been Coons claim, it would have been the worst thing that ever happened! She has enough problems OR SHOULD with no job background, tax problems and foreclosers, but thats ok with the tea party!

Chris Coon’s current record is the worse thing that has ever happened. As County Executive, on election night in 2004, he said his “top priority would be to continue balancing the budget without increasing property taxes”. In 2006, he pushed through a 5 percent increase in property taxes. A year later, he raised property taxes 17.5 percent. In 2009, he raised them another 25 percent. Coons also proposed a hotel tax, a tax on paramedic services, and a tax on people who call 911 from cell phones. After going on taxing frenzy, the voters re-elected Coons him in 2008. Coons shafted his constituency more than once.

Coons high school experiences don’t mean crap, but his recent track record in New Castle should be an indicator he promises no fiscal restraint and his solution to balance the books is by taxing. Coons stays away from tea, but he sure does imbibe in Kool Aid. Remember, Coons is Harry Reid’s pet. That should give voters in Delaware pause.

‘While everyone seems happier to gloss over the issue’……

It was everyone’s happiness at glossing over issues that got Obama elected.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
can you please explain HOW this will be done? do you even know? Here’s some relevant things for you;
This candidate ha a history of fiscal IRresponsibility in her personal life and she wants to instruct me on how she will exhibit responsibility with MY money in washington? BullSH*T!
This candidate has stated that she opposes stem cell research because they are using it to create mice with human brains.
If this is your idea of responsibility and accountability, I pray for you.

Can you comprehend the idea of freezing spending at 2008 levels?
Can you comprehend no more trillion dollar stimulus bills?
Can you comprehend saving a trillion dollars by getting rid of Obamacare?
Can you comprehend cutting back the bloated federal bureaucracy?
Can you comprehend no more earmarks?
Can you comprehend no more payoffs to lobbyists?
Can you comprehend no more passing spending bills that haven’t even been read?

I know that “progressives” can’t comprehend these things. But, trust me, the rest of us can.

Every cop and every criminal lawyer knows she was lying. She’s a very bad liar.

Coons did call for some of the tax increases, from 1983 property values just the same as all other areas have had several increases since then. The rates now are lower than many other areas in the country. Why do tea baggers not understand, when Bush was in office taxes! There will always be taxes, don’t blame 200 years of taxes on one party!

Ted, your insanity is very funny. I hope they only let you play on the computer. They must never let you out of the home. I worry about you. Do they let you use a knife and a fork? Plastic, I hope.

Azarkhan said:
Guess what fool. If society falls apart, all the human rights in the world aren’t gonna help your ass.

I believe Liberty would agree with my statement; I can survive without money, but a life without freedom is worthless. Gays deserve the right to freely represent their country.

The King thinks he’s in Italy this week. In other words, it’s spaghetti and garlic bread night at his ‘facility’.

timcajun said:
Most of the tea party is right. Why should we care about this high school witchcraft junk, but had this been Coons claim, it would have been the worst thing that ever happened! She has enough problems OR SHOULD with no job background, tax problems and foreclosers, but thats ok with the tea party!

Huh?Whut? Witchcraft? Quite the stretch, dontcha think? No job background, tax problems sounds like the barry show.

As promised, here are my thoughts on the original post. I believe everything that I’m about say is correct, but I’m not going to footnote because my internet is temporarily down and I’m writing this offline. Therefore, if anyone would like to file any corrections, please feel free.

I also apologize in advance for getting kind of hurried toward the end and to everyone that I’m about to offend.
—-

The Catholic, Mormon, Methodist, Moonie and several other denominations own their houses of worship through their governing bodies. While the Baptists incorporate each franchise individually and once established, they join a “convention” which leaves them free to align themselves with another association through a method outlined in a contract. Also, the last time that I looked to become a “Reverend” in whatever subset of Pentecostal that Jim and Tammy Bakker sold, you had to send $25 to a licensing board in someplace like Oklahoma and I believe most Friend’s Meeting Houses are on privately-owned property.

I’ve never looked into the organizational structure of Judaism or the other major religions, but because I’ve never heard of a Vatican for Moslems and from what I’ve gathered through the NYC “community center” coverage, they are likely similar to the Quakers when it comes to ownership.

Because there is no recognized governing body for the Satanic church and most individual chapters exist in secret or are loosely constructed, there may be practices or beliefs that are universal, but there is no one to check if they are doing it right and there is nothing to dictate that all beliefs be the same.

Back during the ’08 primaries, Hillary Clinton gave an on-camera interview in which she seemed to qualify her faith in Candidate Obama’s Christianity with an “as far as I know”. I’m sure everyone remembers that her added comment launched the Obamakids into a frenzy of calling her a bigot and labeling it an unfair trick; a way to keep the Moslem question in the discussion.

For several days, I commented and may have written a blogpost calling her qualification the only true statement she could make because no one, other than Sen. Obama could anything else with more certainty. In a nutshell, my argument was based on the idea that someone can belong to and religiously attend a church, but they don’t have to believe what is being said. They could actually be sitting there imagining any kind of scenario because everything one believes is entirely within their heads.

Over the past several days, I’ve made a few comments about the Christine O’Donnell revelation and a couple of times, I’ve joked about conducting ritual devirginifications at a place relatively close to my hometown, where for at least a hundred years, the legends say the devil paced while thinking of things to do.

Now, the reality is that the place is really just a barren circle in the woods where people would dump trash and though I may have taken four or five young ladies to the spot in hopes of communing, I only successfully communed a couple of times in that particular location and only once was I able to talk that evening’s partner into the center of the spot.

As far as I know having sex along a dirt path is not part of any organized religion, but if I were one to believe in deities and angels, I could argue that the rituals I performed were a form of worship. Of course, though it was part of my growth toward my current religious status, it was the act that was part of my training. Therefore, I’ve never classified it as a religious service except in jest, but if I held such beliefs and if it was my desire, I could rightfully claim it was a Satanic ritual because my goal could have been to show devotion to that particular god.

While I was running around amusing myself by breaking societal taboos, my youngest sister, who is about Ms. O’Donnell’s age and who has been on several religious benders over the decades was dabbling in witchcraft. She and her friends traded the ancient texts which were re-released in the 70s and because Wicca was very trendy at the time, as was devil worship and there were several new books about witchcraft released, which my sister and her friends would use in their research.

I realize that the last couple of paragraphs are a little too much information about me, but I feel they support my point about Sen. Clinton’s statement and my problem with the foundation of the post. Some people may call sitting in a church worship, others may prefer to run naked around a maypole and there have been some who showed their devotion by lacing-up Nike hi-tops.

However anyone chooses to ritualize their beliefs and how they choose to classify or remember it is a personal choice. There are really no rules governing a person’s individual religion. It’s how they feel about the service that is important and if their beliefs don’t fit into a tiny little box, they can call it something else or simply ignore the Vatican.

Tommy Christopher said:
While everyone seems happier to gloss over the issue, wouldn’t it be a wonderful inversion of history if, in order to retain support from social conservatives, O’Donnell had to produce proof that she was a witch?

Hmmmmm. Just sitting here wondering… has ANYONE EVER ‘produced proof’ that they were a witch? The very idea is just as stupid as the rest of this ‘story’.

chucken said:
Hey batgirl I don’t live in DE and only know Coons is a lifelong pol but unlike O’Donnell I bet Coons did not accuse George W Bush of murder like witchgirl did about Clinton being involved in Vince Foster’s death.Unless you think Clinton was or it is not a really big deal to accuse a sitting president of murder.Dumbass.

A hundred bucks says you are WRONG about Coons.

Another hundred says you will NOT admit that virtually ALL leftwingers accused Dubya of murder (while he was a ‘sitting’ Prez) and continue to do so to this very day.

Tell me again what a ‘big deal’ it is. Dumbass.

FearMonger said:
Hmmmmm. Just sitting here wondering… has ANYONE EVER ‘produced proof’ that they were a witch? The very idea is just as stupid as the rest of this ’story’.

She obviously didn’t turn a frog into prince and if she claimed to have done it the other way, why would we believe?

I’m a warlock and I’m voting straight tea party !

PS) I should add to my previous comment that though Ms.’Donnell’s revelation to Maher may have been around the same time as the movie without a witch, which may explain why it was discussed, the 80s gave us the rumors about Stevie Nicks, plus Larry King and the daytime talk shows had witches as regular guests. Nancy Reagan had astrologers in the White House; Ozzie Osbourne was being sued for promoting devil worship; crystal and other shops selling New Age paraphernalia sprouted around the country; they had some kind of harmonic convergence in Sedona and Dyanetics was heavily advertised.

People were obviously looking for meaning.

And though I did comment to another blog that because J.K. Rowling is about the same age, perhaps she also “dabbled”, I don’t know that for sure. But, I am pretty confident that she has inspired a few youths to believe in magic and is undoubtedly responsible for fad of quidditch.

Magister,

thanks for sharing, I think. I’m not sure where we disagree.

@Tommy: My disagreement is primarily rooted in that the post seems to seek some kind of purity test and because she may not have followed an established doctrine, then whatever occurred may in fact mean something different to you, but she has the right to characterize her own journey.

As for your question about the evangelicals being able to overlook a couple of incidents she mentioned from her past with their current religious and political beliefs: There may have been another high-profile case lately, but last night I tweeted a poll from Idaho that shows 69% of the state’s Republicans supports the Tea Party agenda, but a majority of the self-described Tea Party sympathizers disagrees with the state party plank which calls for the repeal of the 17th Amendment, thus doing away with the direct election of Senators.

The state GOP says that it’s about states rights and if you do any googling, you’ll see people saying that it would return the republic to the founder’s original intent, both of which seem Tea Partyish in nature, but disenfranchising their own vote would obviously be to movement’s detriment.

Yet still, those expressing a preference are planning to vote Republican.

Character assassination has been around since politics. This witch thing is stupid. Obama is victimized by the right on a daily basis. Look at the “birthers” just meaningless low level tactics. Just look at the woman’s resume. Her qualifications speak for it’s self. She is in way over her head. This was a tea party tactic to drive home a point. This country needs to unite whether you are Dem or a Rep and get serious about electing qualified people and not waste votes!

Let us all retreat to our Masturbatory Rooms – and ponder this question.

im 110% for Coons

but this witch stuff thats being used against odonnell is childish and counter productive…

and the inevitable next step from those who use the slur “teabagger”

pathetic.

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I was just cruising around some sites and learning new stuff when I happened across this thread, and I registered here just because I have to ask a serious question.

Say… we could see a clip of Obama, in his eighties hair, giggling and telling us how he “dabbled in witchcraft”– went on a date and, my goodness, there was blood on the alter. But, he did NOT join a coven!! Now, I don’t mean second hand, speculative, wishful reporting, but actually see it and hear it ourselves. Would it be considered childish and counterproductive to talk about that?

Nooooo, I think they would playing the clip over and over in some churches. Do not vote for the witch!
And, can he prove he didn’t join a coven, because there has been some reporting that he did ( I love that phrase- there has been some reporting- probably earlier today on this network).
This would have gigantic legs, it’s much better than the birth certificate thing, because that darn thing keeps showing up. The GOP would very joyful. And waste no time capitalizing as best they could.

I am from Delaware. I could not vote in the republican primary because it was a closed primary and I am a registered democrat. I do not, however, vote on party lines. I voted for Bush twice and in the past I have also voted for Mike Castle, who is a good man. O’Donnell won because most registered republicans stayed home. Mike Castle, with his thirty year career in Delaware elected politics was thought to be such a shoe-in that Beau Biden decided to sit it out rather than take him on. People just weren’t paying attention. So the race was decided by a relatively few people. She got 52% of 50 some odd thousand. The people who are unhappy with the present program. They weren’t voting for O’Donnell they were voting against Castle because he was portrayed as not right wing enough by the very right wing of the party ( you know who you are). Good for them, that’s our wonderful Democracy in action.

People are paying attention now. The Delawareans I have talked to are just this side of embarrassed. It’s all well and good for you all to want her to win so the GOP gains a seat, but she would be OUR Senator. Trust me, it’s not gonna happen. She will lose and sign a contract with Fox news, which some people think has been the goal in all her years as a professional candidate She has no job now, nor has she had for years, I don’t know, maybe never. She’s never held public office. She has been a constant candidate for office(I guess she ran against Biden, no one seems to remember) and has lived off the campaign contributions.
I don’t think she’s a witch. I think she’s a frivolous, under qualified candidate for an office that is very important to me, and while I might have voted for republican Castle, I won’t vote for O’Donnell.

I’m one of those troublesome people who thinks for himself, and who thinks both parties can make valuable contributions and they should get off cable and do it.

By the way, its pretty clear from the signs that I see at their rallies that the tea party movement followers do not like or believe in name calling, but if they are going to be sensitive and all, can I just say that a simple google search would have informed them of alternate meanings and permutations and so on.
I know, I know – the Tea Party- very clever.

Why is the left worried so much about O donnell being a witch??????the left needs to worry about “important” things like the right does. things like birth certificates and what church a person goes to….oh and when to bow to say thank you…lololololol

Magister said:
My disagreement is primarily rooted in that the post seems to seek some kind of purity test and because she may not have followed an established doctrine, then whatever occurred may in fact mean something different to you, but she has the right to characterize her own journey.

The question I raise is whether the “journey” actually happened, viewed through the lens of faux apostates like Warnke. She was using her experience in order to add credibility to her knowledge of witchcraft. The fact that her account rang false doesn’t convict her, but it is relevant.

Tommy Christopher said:
The question I raise is whether the “journey” actually happened, viewed through the lens of faux apostates like Warnke. She was using her experience in order to add credibility to her knowledge of witchcraft. The fact that her account rang false doesn’t convict her, but it is relevant.

I am just visiting but, Jesus, do you hear yourselves? Everybody staking out their position and defending it to the point of nonsense. No real growth here. Not my thing.

@TommyXtopher: Okay, now I get it. You’re asking if she embellished hoping to give credibility to her position in ’99, which now that I’ve replayed the clip, I realize that was her claim.

Of course, if did see the episode when it originally aired, I certainly don’t remember, but I assume that she may have been talking about the evils of witchcraft or some such and because I don’t care what she thinks about the issues and I would’ve dismissed her dabbling as something kids do, with or without the claim, she really doesn’t have any credibility with me.

PS) If you’d like to pursue the “prove it” idea, I would suggest that you could start with the guy from Home Depot Jon quoted last week, but that may be too big a can of worms or setting yourself a full plate because when staking a position, a lot of people tend to overstate.

@mac3263: For the record, I’d guess that Mr. Christopher and myself agree on something like 90% of the issues. We may not always agree on how we got there and I may be willing to give a little more in recognition of the politics, but we’re generally close to the same page.

Correction: 90% may be an overstatement and I should probably back it up to “most”.
(See what I did, there?)