Juan Williams is wrathful?….Who fired who Mediaite? NPR is wrathful for firing a person who dared to express a view that millions upon millions of fellow Americans share.

The rabid left, about to be thrown on the trash heap AGAIN is now resorting to eating their own.

I’m no big fan of Juan Williams but this episode is blatantly wrong and the left and NPR are going to pay a handsome price for it…carry on.

Juan was on fire last night – and yet, he still maintained his dignity, despite NPR and Schillers personal attack on him. He had both sides on to discuss the whole NPR bru-ha-ha, keeping the fair and balanced position of FNC in tact.

NPR skrewed up royally here, and they need to be taken to task for it. All sides are up in arms by the outrageous treatment of Juan. The “have you no shame” doesn’t belong to Olbermann…and Juan used it exactly in the correct context. Schiller’s personal attack on Juan was so condescending and so over-the-top, the NPR Board should demand her resignation. The NPR board will review this incident next month, or so it has been reported.

I hope Juan has hired a lawyer and is at least investigating a potential law suit….after all, other individuals who work for NPR spew opinions all the time, they just spew the ones that NPR allows to be spewed. Nina, Cokie and others are permitted to do what Juan, the black man, is not permitted to do.

NPR is intolerant, Schiller has damaged NPR beyond repair.

Bombs away!

For Gods sake is this little manchild STILL WHINING!!!??
Uncle Carence Thomas’ teabag wife should get togehter
with him since neither one of them can move on
AND SHE COULD TEACH HIM HOW TO DRUNK DIAL!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Wow, this is great tv.

Iris said:
For Gods sake is this little manchild STILL WHINING!!!??
Uncle Carence Thomas’ teabag wife should get togehter
with him since neither one of them can move on
AND SHE COULD TEACH HIM HOW TO DRUNK DIAL!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Grow up.

And there is MORE intolerance on display:
—————————————————
A California union stagehand was abruptly terminated Friday for wearing a “George H. W. Bush” sweat shirt and hat while constructing a stage to be used for a get out the vote rally featuring President Barack Obama.

Duane Hammond says his clothes were not a political statement, rather a sign of support for his son, who is serving on the aircraft carrier U.S.S. George H. W. Bush.

“I’m just humiliated,” Hammond said. “My son has been in the Navy for three years, he’s serving proudly, and I’m wearing his flag, so to speak.”
——————————————————-
http://www.redstate.com/

Unbelievable.

FNC gets another crybaby on their staff, and the FNC cheerleaders go wild!

And George Soros’ decision to fire Williams continues to reverberate :
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=551438

For Iris- reverberate is a big word , meaning to have a continuing effect .

Meanwhile , in Mumbai , Obama has booked 785 rooms for his pleasure trip to India in two weeks .

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/Barack-and-Michelles-Mumbai- darshan-plans/articleshow/6797379.cms

Is anybody really surprised at lib bigotry, racism and hate? You should not be.

SWWT, Uncle Clarence Thomas’ wife is grown up and
,all she does is DRUNK DIAL TO THE PAST!!!
so no thank you
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I do believe you got NPR doing some Leaning Forward just now Juan.
Keep kicking their ass while you have that great target!
At least until Nov 2.
lol

Hugo Daun said:
FNC gets another crybaby on their staff, and the FNC cheerleaders go wild!

Isn’t that the truth. Williams sad song is getting very old very fast, and it’s dropping off the charts.

The Real Royal King said:
Isn’t that the truth. Williams sad song is getting very old very fast, and it’s dropping off the charts.

Yep.

But, one must remember that FNC cheerleaders simply love being miserable. To them, everything sucks. Always.

To the FNC cheerleaders, a beautiful sunny day is simply a precursor to melanoma.

A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged. But I think y’all are gonna have to roll Juan a few more times to complete the conversion.

I don’t have a problem de-funding NPR as long as we also de-fund all of the faith based initiatives that were started under George Bush and continued under Obama.

“I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own—a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.”
—ALBERT EINSTEIN (1879-1955)

King and Hugo, enough of your incessant whining. Get a life.

Big ED,
erectile dysfuction are TWO BIG WORDS
but its great how you just shorten it to ED
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Pablo said:
King and Hugo, enough of your incessant whining. Get a life.

Can we each get separate lives, or do we just have to split the one?

NPR- Now stands for “Negro Proof Radio”

Juan was its only on-air AA .

Libs stop hating black people!

Looks like NPR is runnin scared:

After Williams’s firing, NPR fears financial backlash

NPR faced fierce public and political reaction – most of it strongly negative – in the wake of its firing of commentator Juan Williams for comments he made on a Fox News program earlier in the week.

Even NPR’s own staff expressed exasperation at the decision during a meeting Friday with NPR’s president, Vivian Schiller. Several of those who attended said Schiller told employees that she regretted how she handled the episode.

The most serious issue facing NPR may be whether Williams’s firing will cause lasting damage to public broadcasting’s finances. Many conservative lawmakers and politicians – including House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.), Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) and former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) – have called on Congress to curtail or eliminate federal subsidies for public broadcasting.

The threat of a funding cutoff is an old one among conservatives, who have long characterized NPR as a bastion of liberal bias. But some at NPR and in public broadcasting worry about the timing of the calls this time. The Williams controversy broke less than two weeks before a midterm election that may restore Republican control of the House and Senate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/22/AR2010102206639.html

All Juan did was imply that when he sees someone who appears to be from the middle east getting on a plane, it makes him nervous. It’s a normal human reaction that most would have, yet the far left believes we should be able to overcome such thoughts. So if a far leftist were swimming in the ocean and saw a fin, he wouldn’t be nervous. He would realize that most sharks aren’t maneaters, and would mock those bigots scrambling to get out of the water.

Though the segment was incredibly self-serving and his delivery quite stilted, it’s good to see Juan express passion on a subject. It’s been a long time.

Otherwise, I’m a bit surprised that the idea of being fearful of those who may dress differently has been allowed to become a right/left issue. “Diversity” has long been a code word used by people on the street, but for it to become the center of a national debate and to be assigned sides, I find a bit troubling.

Fox Trek 2…. THE WRATH OF JUAN !

writer said:
So if a far leftist were swimming in the ocean and saw a fin, he wouldn’t be nervous. He would realize that most sharks aren’t maneaters, and would mock those bigots scrambling to get out of the water.

Most sharks aren’t a threat to humans and there are things you can do to reduce the risk.

Good Lord. This is absurd. First of all he was working for an At Will Employer. Which means right or wrong he just like almost all of us can be Fired at anytime for any reason. So they used a stupid reason. Sad but true it doesn’t matter that is there right. How many times have some of us heard don’t need you anymore,or we decided to go in a diffrent direction ect. Second this is the same man who I rememeber a few years back when a jewlery store owner if I remember right was in D.C wouldn’t let young black men into his store and Mister Williams went off. How dare that white man judge those black men simply because they were black and how dare he feel afraid because of there skin color. Funny how the shoe is on the other foot and yet Mister Williams doesn’t think he’s being prejudice in any way. And lastly how did they step on his First Amendment rights. I keep hearing that. No they didn’t. He didn’t go to jail,he didn’t get told he can never speak such words again. No he was fired from a job that didn’t want him anymore and that has nothing to do with free speech

Good for you Juan. Your a good man and were treated in a vile and hateful way. Don’t let the bigots and the racist bother you. Their not worth it.

Iris said:
Big ED,erectile dysfuction are TWO BIG WORDSbut its great how you just shorten it to EDHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sweet Iris – If your patrons are having trouble , you may want to keep the lights out at all times . And don’t talk .

That was my point, Mag. Most aren’t a threat. But being nervous when you see a fin doesn’t mean you’re a shark bigot. It’s a normal human response. Same with snakes. They make most people nervous, yet most are harmless and not venomous. The far left is preaching that normal human reactions are evil, and something that should be overcome. So if you’re in the ocean, see a fin, and you have no reaction to it at all, then Hondo, you are much man.

Magister says:

Most sharks aren’t a threat to humans and there are things you can do to reduce the risk.

That being said, I’d still be nervous and aware.

The liberal Emperor has no clothes, and episodes like this show just how nakedly hostle and totalitarian the liberal mindset is.

Don’t agree with us? We will crush you. And they just got caught blatantly doing just that in a very, very public way. Oops.

Juan Williams is right to be angry, and is right to point out that the Politically Correct King is naked indeed.

Magister said:
Most sharks aren’t a threat to humans and there are things you can do to reduce the risk.

Still, you gotta watch your step:

Updated: 10/23/2010 12:35:25 PM EDT

LOS ANGELES — Matthew Garcia was surfing two feet away from his friend who was bodyboarding when he heard a desperate cry for help. Within seconds, a shark flashed out of the water, bit into his friend’s leg and pulled him under in a cloud of blood off the coast north of Santa Barbara.

“When the shark hit him, he just said, ‘Help me, dude!’ He knew what was going on,” Garcia told the AP as he recounted his friend’s death. “It was really fast. You just saw a red wave and this water is blue — as blue as it could ever be — and it was just red, the whole wave.”

As huge waves broke over his head, Garcia tried to find Lucas Ransom in the surf but couldn’t. He decided to get help, but turned around again as he was swimming to shore and saw Ransom’s red bodyboard pop up. Garcia swam to his friend and did chest compressions as he brought him to shore.

The 19-year-old already appeared dead and his leg was mauled, he said.

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/news/ci_16416243

ntrudr1400 said:
This is absurd. First of all he was working for an At Will Employer.

Who said he wasn’t?

?

ntrudr1400 said:
Second this is the same man who I rememeber a few years back when a jewlery store owner if I remember right was in D.C wouldn’t let young black men into his store and Mister Williams went off. How dare that white man judge those black men simply because they were black and how dare he feel afraid because of there skin color. Funny how the shoe is on the other foot and yet Mister Williams doesn’t think he’s being prejudice in any way.

Remind me where Juan said Muslims should not be allowed on planes.

ntrudr1400 said:
And lastly how did they step on his First Amendment rights. I keep hearing that.

No, you hear libs raising a red herring. Neither Williams nor FOX has called this a 1st. amendment issue. In fact, the only time it has been mentioned here as a 1st. amendment issue is hear by libs who say it isn’t. NO ONE HAS SAID IT IS!

MG!

It is time to boycott NPR’s corporate sponcors. McDonalds is one ot the biggest. Call their headquarters. Tie up their donation phone lines with complaints. Don’t let contributers get through. Do to them what they try to do to Beck and Limbaugh.

To the Professional- Left, in the words of that great sage, Rev. Wright!!:

THE CHICKENS – HAVE COME HOME – TO ROOST!!!

LMAO!!!

Pretty soon, the Democratic Left will be as isolated in their ideological cave as bin Laden!!

gordonbloyershow said:
It is time to boycott NPR’s corporate sponcors. McDonalds is one ot the biggest. Call their headquarters. Tie up their donation phone lines with complaints. Don’t let contributers get through. Do to them what they try to do to Beck and Limbaugh.

I don’t agree with you that often, Gordon, but you’re spot on here. What’s fair is fair.

@Writer: If you’re in the water and a man-eating shark were to make its way into your vicinity, you’re supposed to remain perfectly still because a flailing over-reaction is what would cause them to attack. Societally, it seems the same could be true, when considering members of any group that may have present or future radical elements.

“Williams’ path to redemption”

Juan Williams doesn’t need to be redeemed–he did nothing wrong. He simply fell afoul of the Left/Democratic Party which imposes censorship in the form of “political correctness”. Fortunately American’s now have Fox News, which broadcasts the truth, knowing it will always trump the lies that make up political correctness.

Hey progressives – Come Jaunuary ther’ll be a new sheriff in town, so count on NPR going DOWN!!!

Maybe Air America can bail it out!!!

Magister, we aren’t talking about what you SHOULD do, we’re talking about having a spontaneous reaction to something. You don’t always think about something before your body has a reaction to it.

notsofast said:
Libs stop hating black people!

Only when they stray from the plantation.

When conservative African Americans attack, they attack liberalism, and liberal policies that are like cancer to a vibrant economy. They never attack based on race or religion, the attacks are policy based.

When liberals and liberal African Americans attack black conservatives, or even a moderate democrat like Juan Williams who has spent his life writing about the civil rights movement, they attack his betrayal to liberalism and even to his own race. They never attack based on policy, the attacks are “uncle Tom” based.

Who is above board and who is in the gutter? The answer is blatantly obvious, and it reflects very poorly on how the sad, sorry far left behaves. What a pathetic bunch of people.

Maybe there can be a takeoff on the old Star Trek title, “The Wrath of JUAN!”

NORBIT said:
Maybe there can be a takeoff on the old Star Trek title, “The Wrath of JUAN!”

OK that is AWESOME…

But Mag, even if I was staying still, I don’t think I’d be able to help being nervous. At least just a little.

“It’s hard to blame Williams if he comes off as somewhat melodramatic or shoutier than usual”

What is really hard to believe is that Frances Martel can be this obtuse and still have her job.

Seeing November From My Window said:
Magister, we aren’t talking about what you SHOULD do, we’re talking about having a spontaneous reaction to something. You don’t always think about something before your body has a reaction to it.

As I’ve said a couple of times in previous comments, I check out everyone, no matter where I may be. There are terrorists and potential threats from all sides of the political spectrum and from every imaginable group, so I personally don’t give anyone more or less attention. I just protect my own.

I’m curious about something and anyone who is ridiculing people who agree with what Juan said can answer. Let’s say a loved one of yours (wife, gf, sister, mother) were raped by a man that had blonde hair and blue eyes. Would you think she’s a bigot if for the rest of her life, whenever she came across someone who resembled her attacker, she felt a little bit nervous?

ETA: Somewhat off-topic, but over the years, my wife has given me a hard time because when we’re in a restaurant, a waiting room or someplace, I employ what I call the “Bret Maverick” or “James Garner” method; I put my back to the wall and keep my eyes on the door.

I could always count on Williams to raise my blood pressure while appearing on FNS with his unashamed liberalism. (although, after Williamsgate broke, I tried to think of a time when he was a hateful douche, and couldn’t)

There’s an old saying, “a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged”. I don’t suspect that Williams will change his lifelong held view of liberalism, but damn, this dude’s been mugged by his own family. That’s why he’s so bitter, and I don’t blame him a bit.

If she were on the political left, I’m sure she would realize that such feelings are bigoted, and would be able to overcome it.

yeah, the guy who wrote “Eyes on the Prize” is a bigot. sure, NPR.

what nobody here has mentioned is the original reason NPR fired him: CAIR complained. yes, CAIR, the Muslim “rights” group, tied to the Muslim Brotherhood and all those great people, is behind this whole thing. CAIR and NPR are partnering with the rest of the lib left to make sure that nobody even THINKS bad things about Muslims, and if they do, are punished appropriately.

I’m sure she would say that writer, but we all know she’s be lying. Let’s face it, it’s harder to admit you feel something that you know is possibly irrational. It’s easy to deny feeling it at all.

Juan Williams is remiss in attacking his past employers. He was the one that made insensitive comments, albeit they were only his personal feelings about Muslim garbed persons on airplanes and should have been sacked. I suggest it was a simple set-up by Fox News for NPR and they got what they wanted Juan. Now he can wallow in half-truths and outright lies with the rest of the Fox crew. Wow what fun!

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I hope Juan has hired a lawyer and is at least investigating a potential law suit….after all, other individuals who work for NPR spew opinions all the time, they just spew the ones that NPR allows to be spewed. Nina, Cokie and others are permitted to do what Juan, the black man, is not permitted to do.

He has already reached a settlement with NPR and a Golden Parachute. They honored the remainder of his contract as is standard. Suing about a contract that has been fulfilled is ludicrous.

Juan should be like the far left. Ice water in the veins. Nothing ever makes them nervous. (But if I’m in the ocean and see a fin, I’m still getting the hell out of there. Bigoted or not.)

murphy0071 said:
Juan Williams is remiss in attacking his past employers .. blah, blah..

What a load-o-shit. Has the entire world turned into a bunch of walking vaginas looking for stuff to be offended over? CAIR, the outfit that pushed this, and got Williams fired, are a bunch of assholes that know NPR would cave to political correctness because they’re a bunch of smelly snatches run by chicks and chick wannabes.

Hey CAIR, guess what? Mohammad’s an asshole. Everyone, let’s start “Mohammad Gives Richard Nixon a Rusty Trombone in Pictures Day”. Anyone?

No matter how you slice it, the US taxpayer shold not be handing over money to any media. We have enough problems and enough bills. Sorry NPR but I’m sure you can make up thr 16% of the revenue that taxpayers give you. Your CEO makes 7 figures – take it from her.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Hey CAIR, guess what? Mohammad’s an asshole

You may have noticed that Molly Norris’ comic is not in the paper this week. That’s because there is no more Molly.

The gifted artist is alive and well, thankfully. But on the insistence of top security specialists at the FBI, she is, as they put it, “going ghost”: moving, changing her name, and essentially wiping away her identity. She will no longer be publishing cartoons in our paper or in City Arts magazine, where she has been a regular contributor. She is, in effect, being put into a witness-protection program—except, as she notes, without the government picking up the tab. It’s all because of the appalling fatwa issued against her this summer, following her infamous “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day” cartoon….

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2010-09-15/news/on-the-advice-of-the-fbi-cartoonist-molly-norris-disappears-from-view/

The silencing of critics of Islam is commonplace in Europe, and now it is taking place in America. It must be stopped.

You go Juan!

Not Your Typical New Yorker said:
Juan Williams is wrathful?….Who fired who Mediaite? NPR is wrathful for firing a person who dared to express a view that millions upon millions of fellow Americans share.

Juan Williams was mugged by PC reality, truth doesn’t matter only touchy-feely sensitivities to the stupidest things, even to the point of being intentionally blind to a dangerous national threat.
God has given us certain instincts (fight or flight) if we are alert and receptive to that inner voice of warning it can literally save your life and there are countless examples of people doing just that with the instinct of survival. Political correctness was created for a purpose to deconstruct Western civilization (research Frankfurt school) so people feel so stigmatized that they cannot or will not defend its existence.

Political correctness will kill us or make us slaves.

“By yielding to a false form of civility, we sometimes allow our critics to intimidate us. As I have said, active citizens are often subjected to truly vile attacks. They are branded as mean-spirited, racist, Uncle Tom, homophobic, sexist, etc. To this we often respond, if not succumb, so as not to be constantly fighting by trying to be tolerant and be non-judgmental. That is, we censor ourselves. This is not civility. It is cowardice, or well-intentioned self deception at best.”

Clarence Thomas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice
Op-ed column, The Washington Times 2/15/2001

Magister said:
Though the segment was incredibly self-serving and his delivery quite stilted, it’s good to see Juan express passion on a subject.

I don’t have a problem with this self-serving segment. He was handed a platform to air his personal assault on. We should all be so lucky sometimes. Now if this continues for much longer it will be like beating a dead horse. I think the the straw that broke the camels back for him was when it was suggested that he should have shared this with his psychiatrist. That may or may not be true, but not her call to say or use for an excuse in firing him.

I to have to agree with Gordon as well Fox News’

gordonbloyershow said:
t is time to boycott NPR’s corporate sponcors. McDonalds is one ot the biggest. Call their headquarters. Tie up their donation phone lines with complaints. Don’t let contributers get through. Do to them what they try to do to Beck and Limbaugh.

Fox News: We gladly gin up anger and fear for ratings. said:
don’t have a problem de-funding NPR as long as we also de-fund all of the faith based initiatives that were started under George Bush and continued under Obama.

Also this is not just a lefty problem, the right will eat you up and spit you out just as quickly, if given the right circumstances they see fit.

More Liberty said:
No matter how you slice it, the US taxpayer shold not be handing over money to any media. We have enough problems and enough bills. Sorry NPR but I’m sure you can make up thr 16% of the revenue that taxpayers give you. Your CEO makes 7 figures – take it from her.

Well said. Thank you!

Azarkhan said:
You may have noticed that Molly Norris’ comic is not in the paper this week.

The Norris story is just one of a list of things that pisses me of about islam. Not sure how much national play that story got, and as you know, it didn’t even get that much play here. It pisses me off that there are so many people that are willing to led around by the nose, simply because it makes them feel good.

Juan insists he didn’t sat anything politically incorrect. Yet he was fired because of political incorrectness? Doesn’t make sense.

Also, why does Juan insist he’s a liberal? He’s not. Watch his show. He attacks liberals like a conservative. Hell no he’s liberal. He’s a conservative through-and-through, but on Fox News – a “liberal”.

Magister said:
ETA: Somewhat off-topic, but over the years, my wife has given me a hard time because when we’re in a restaurant, a waiting room or someplace, I employ what I call the “Bret Maverick” or “James Garner” method; I put my back to the wall and keep my eyes on the door.

It’s called the Gunfighter’s Seat . Big Eddie does that too . As my old Pappy used to say …

m said:
Also, why does Juan insist he’s a liberal? He’s not. Watch his show. He attacks liberals like a conservative. Hell no he’s liberal. He’s a conservative through-and-through

Let’s analyze.. Polls show that the USA is a “center / right” nation. Fox News Channel has a huge market share, way more than the other cable news channels. Conclusion: Fox News figured out that most people don’t think like New Yorkers, went for that market, and won.

So when you say he’s no liberal, well, he may be no liberal to you, but to the vast majority of Americans, he’s far to the left of their political philosophies, i.e., a liberal.

Not sure where you’re from, son, but I’m guessing that if you were to walk through a mall in Topeka, or St. George, or Lexington, and talked to passers by, you might learn something about America.

Pablo said:
A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged. But I think y’all are gonna have to roll Juan a few more times to complete the conversion.

A liberal is a conservative who’s been downsized…or outsourced…or sexually harrassed…or racially profiled…or Breitbarted….or denied insurance coverage…

–Cobra

Mr.Papshmer said:
Let’s analyze.. Polls show that the USA is a “center / right” nation. Fox News Channel has a huge market share, way more than the other cable news channels. Conclusion: Fox News figured out that most people don’t think like New Yorkers, went for that market, and won. So when you say he’s no liberal, well, he may be no liberal to you, but to the vast majority of Americans, he’s far to the left of their political philosophies, i.e., a liberal. Not sure where you’re from, son, but I’m guessing that if you were to walk through a mall in Topeka, or St. George, or Lexington, and talked to passers by, you might learn something about America.

Which “polls?” Fox News? Rassmussen?

And since when are New Yorkers not real Americans?

–Cobra

this guy is so fake it is insane.npr was right to fire him.You see teabaggers npr has standards that is expected of thier workers,this house negro juan williams just thought he can continue to break the rules and regulations of the company because he is black,they got fed up and fired his sorry ass,it is about time.
thank you npr,i will send $500 check right now.
This idiot has been pretending for a long time,now fuck off ,fox news will have you,sure they dont have any standards.

Juan follows up a classless act by NPR with one of his own. He’s passed the Fox “News” initiation by doing his best BillO impersonation. Congrats Juan, you are among friends now.

Here is how I feel about Nationalities. They usually morph right into their environment. They become part of it.
Here is how I feel about the Juan Williams and NPR situation;
I don’t know what is worst, Juan Williams being fired for saying something people with money did not like or NPR going out of business because people with excess money, like Hitler had, didn’t like them firing an employee. This is worst than Labor Unions protecting their members from unfair labor practices. Are you all too dumb to see the comparison?
If you wander what I mean by, the money Hitler had–think about it—everyone did what Hitler told them to do–why was that? –because Hitler had unlimited money and he gave it freely–If you don’t believe this, go to Google and punch in Hitler’s Lake, and read the story. That is where he dumped mega piles of money when he seen the end was near. Well, he personally didn’t, his people did.

maxine said:
I don’t have a problem with this self-serving segment. He was handed a platform to air his personal assault on. We should all be so lucky sometimes. Now if this continues for much longer it will be like beating a dead horse. I think the the straw that broke the camels back for him was when it was suggested that he should have shared this with his psychiatrist. That may or may not be true, but not her call to say or use for an excuse in firing him. I to have to agree with Gordon as well Fox News’ Also this is not just a lefty problem, the right will eat you up and spit you out just as quickly, if given the right circumstances they see fit.

This is proof positive that NPR should’ve fired him. A TRUE journalist would never use his craft for personal vengence. That NPR didn’t fire this malcontent sooner is the real mystery.

PC Kryptonite said:
Juan Williams was mugged by PC reality, truth doesn’t matter only touchy-feely sensitivities to the stupidest things, even to the point of being intentionally blind to a dangerous national threat.God has given us certain instincts (fight or flight) if we are alert and receptive to that inner voice of warning it can literally save your life and there are countless examples of people doing just that with the instinct of survival. Political correctness was created for a purpose to deconstruct Western civilization (research Frankfurt school) so people feel so stigmatized that they cannot or will not defend its existence. Political correctness will kill us or make us slaves. “By yielding to a false form of civility, we sometimes allow our critics to intimidate us. As I have said, active citizens are often subjected to truly vile attacks. They are branded as mean-spirited, racist, Uncle Tom, homophobic, sexist, etc. To this we often respond, if not succumb, so as not to be constantly fighting by trying to be tolerant and be non-judgmental. That is, we censor ourselves. This is not civility. It is cowardice, or well-intentioned self deception at best.” Clarence Thomas, U.S. Supreme Court JusticeOp-ed column, The Washington Times 2/15/2001

Clarence Thomas probably read that crap off a script a White Supremacist think tank wrote for him. Juan Williams is cut from the same cloth. He will go along to get along because everybody can now see how LUCRATIVE being a Black Conservative is.
A 3 year contract for $2 million is the reward for his Fox News buckdancing. Tokenism for PROFIT.

And tough guy, please explain for me what the result of Western Civilization was for MILLIONS of people of color, from Native Americans to Africans? Why should I as a Black man “celebrate”?

–Cobra

Cobra is not overly fond of white people.

writer said:
Cobra is not overly fond of white people.

I’m not overly fond of your posts here, writer. But since you and your right winged friends are SUDDENLY infatuated with defending Black people, I know you won’t judge me, right?

–Cobra

Cobra said:
This is proof positive that NPR should’ve fired him. A TRUE journalist would never use his craft for personal vengence. That NPR didn’t fire this malcontent sooner is the real mystery.

Is that because it was done on FOX news? To which I personally have disdain for. Or would it have been ok to do on MSNBC if the tables were turned? Just asking.

Cobra said:
And since when are New Yorkers not real Americans?

Nice try, son. Show me where I said that.

However, what I will say, is that most Americans do not live in New York. Most Americans have zero desire to have a view of Central Park from their window.

About thirty years ago, there was a basketball playoff between the Denver Nuggets and the Seattle Supersonics, and I remember a sports writer in the Tacoma News Tribune, as was his duty as a sports writer, dumped on Denver by saying that Denver was a city created by people who wanted to go west, saw the mountains, and chickened out.

Many, many people came to this country, and landed in New York. You can see where I’m going with this…

Your racism isn’t a judgment call, Cobra. Just a fact.

Mr.Papshmer said:
It pisses me off that there are so many people that are willing to led around by the nose, simply because it makes them feel good.

I agree, but I must also say that it equally pisses me off that so many people are willing to be led around through those that feed into their *mostly* irrational fears.

Murphy: I hadn’t read that NPR paid him off for the remainder of his contract; despite that, the NPR CEO slandered him on National Television. The NPR Board, if they had an ounce of integrity, would have fired Shiller the day she did that. That they have taken no action against HER, tells me, they don’t really care that their CEO is out slandering good, honest people. After all, Shiller protects the likes of Nina, who wishes death on conservative senators and their grandchildren — that kind of talk is right up Shiller’s alley.

NPR has been thoroughly discredited with this action. If you have pledged, depledge and demand that congress immediately defund NPR.

“the media more or less agree that the firing was not over a serious offense”
Well, if “the media” has decided, then it must be a settled issue. Screw Juan Williams. He’s just another angry, xenophobic asshole who has finally found his rightful home. His integrity went out the window when he started hanging out a FOX NEWs in the first place. Of course, it was good for them since they could claim to finally have gotten a “real journalist.” If he’d just gone with them in the first place he could have gotten on TV without even having to go to college …just like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.

Williams is a complete fraud. He certainly was no Liberal. And while he wasn’t a journalist, he seemed more than willing to show up on fox where out and out lies were peddled as truth. Williams was used as a baton against the snickers of those who recognized early on that fox is anything but, “Fair and Balanced”. Now, he’s able to pivot and spew the crazy just like the rest of the loons over there. Welcome home Juan. Now it’s time to “man up” and cut the crybaby shit.

When Williams merely said that seeing someone in muslim garb makes him nervous, what exactly was he ‘lying’ about. He doesn’t really get nervous, but was saying that he does?

MiddleRoader said:
I agree, but I must also say that it equally pisses me off that so many people are willing to be led around through those that feed into their *mostly* irrational fears.

But Middle, I think that most people are smart enough to separate irrationality from the real world. In the real world, muslims attacked us. It doesn’t matter if you call then extremists or fringe or whatever. I could go for that, but:

1) Most muslim theocratic nations hate us.

2) Several muslim theocracies encourage violence against us.

3) Millions of muslims dance in the street at each act of violence against us.

So is it irrational to be on guard when muslims or arab looking people are on a plane with you? I’m not a frequent flyer, maybe two or three times a year, but I’m always aware of who’s around me, and I make plans as we take off. Paranoid? Maybe, but I’m guessing that I’m not the only one.

writer says:
October 23, 2010 at 12:36 pm (Quote)
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“All Juan did was imply that when he sees someone who appears to be from the middle east getting on a plane, it makes him nervous. It’s a normal human reaction that most would have, yet the far left believes we should be able to overcome such thoughts. So if a far leftist were swimming in the ocean and saw a fin, he wouldn’t be nervous. He would realize that most sharks aren’t maneaters, and would mock those bigots scrambling to get out of the water.”

….. a socially aware Conservative such as myself would’ve done some research on the area first, this way I wouldn’t subjected my family to an attack. By doing a little research on a particular area one could know if the area was a know feeding grounds for sharks and make adjustments. If liberals want to be cannon fodder for radical Islam, let them!! They seem to have decided that falling on their spears for Islam is good for humanity, and for political points in an election year. Is the world a safer more tolerant place now that Juan Williams is gone from NPR? NPR thinks so and now they appear to be appeasers for Islam. Ask CNN’s Rick Sanchez about foot in mouth disease, he’s knows first hand what NPR is about to experience. Next headline will read Sanchez hired by NPR to replace Williams!

Get over your racist crap Papshmer

You go, Juan! NPR has been asking for this for years, and I hope the fallout causes them to think twice about the one-way tolerance they embrace.

Juan is drunk on his own ego. And been too long exposed to right-wing scum. It doesn’t wash off – and the stench remains endlessly. Onward Christian Soldiers!

Finally, someone calls out the so called tolerant liberals for what they are. The biggest hypocrites on the face of teh earth.

TtT said:
Get over your racist crap Papshmer

I said what most people think. I don’t have to do mental gymnastics to justify myself, and I refuse to mock what Mother Nature gave me for the purpose of political correctness.

Oh good lord – now we have a TtT…really TtT, get a life and stop stalking other folks here…you must be QO from tvnewser or RR.

Honestly….get over yourself.

TfT said:
Oh good lord – now we have a TtT…really TtT, get a life and stop stalking other folks here…you must be QO from tvnewser or RR.

Honestly….get over yourself.

I knew.

You said what your reptile brain blew out your ass. You mock yourself Papsshmer.

I hope Juan IS instrumental in defunding NPR. What a wonderful legacy that would be for him….

JUAN WILLIAMS: CONSERVATIVE AFRICAN AMERICAN FOX HOST WHO HELPED THE EXTREME RIGHT WING BRING DOWN PUBLIC RADIO.

Yup, that is how you will be remembered, Juan.
I’ll bet your grandchildren will be very proud.

How about saying something that makes sense Papshmer, can you do that or do you want to just babble on?

I thought he came off more as hurt than angry. It wasn’t just the firing. He probably could have handled that. It was the accusation of bigotry that will follow him the rest of his life. And the psychiatrist comment – they kicked him when he was down.

TtT said:
How about saying something that makes sense Papshmer, can you do that or do you want to just babble on?

Isn’t it your naptime, Iris?

PC Kryptonite says:
October 23, 2010 at 1:47 pm (Quote)
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Not Your Typical New Yorker said:
Juan Williams is wrathful?….Who fired who Mediaite? NPR is wrathful for firing a person who dared to express a view that millions upon millions of fellow Americans share.

Juan Williams was mugged by PC reality, truth doesn’t matter only touchy-feely sensitivities to the stupidest things, even to the point of being intentionally blind to a dangerous national threat.
God has given us certain instincts (fight or flight) if we are alert and receptive to that inner voice of warning it can literally save your life and there are countless examples of people doing just that with the instinct of survival. Political correctness was created for a purpose to deconstruct Western civilization (research Frankfurt school) so people feel so stigmatized that they cannot or will not defend its existence.

Political correctness will kill us or make us slaves.

“By yielding to a false form of civility, we sometimes allow our critics to intimidate us. As I have said, active citizens are often subjected to truly vile attacks. They are branded as mean-spirited, racist, Uncle Tom, homophobic, sexist, etc. To this we often respond, if not succumb, so as not to be constantly fighting by trying to be tolerant and be non-judgmental. That is, we censor ourselves. This is not civility. It is cowardice, or well-intentioned self deception at best.”

Clarence Thomas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice
Op-ed column, The Washington Times 2/15/2001

What are you insinuating here?, liberals have no instincts? Some people obviously feel alive when they are destroying stuff, its how liberals get in touch with their humane side so please don’t stifle it, you are resisting change!

Sacrificing a little freedom in order to rebuild mans humanity (which they think religion stole) is like a religious principle for liberals although they would never admit this openly. Liberals want to re-make man in their own image, since they think the Biblical man, with his absolutist approach to life, is somehow tarnished by lust for power etc. NPR firing of Juan is a good omen in some ways because it signifies that decent liberals will be our best allies in undoing Obama Health Care! I think many more liberals will be joining our side after witnessing this most telling episode don’t you think?

“the media more or less agree that the firing was not over a serious offense”

They also pretty much agree that it was a stupid thing to say. I have a lot of such thoughts which I would never say to a roomful of people let alone on cable news.

This will be another legacy for Juan….

UNFAIRLY FIRED FOR A STUPID COMMENT. lolol

crclarkNY said:
I thought he came off more as hurt than angry. It wasn’t just the firing. He probably could have handled that. It was the accusation of bigotry that will follow him the rest of his life. And the psychiatrist comment – they kicked him when he was down.

I wonder if the women at the Washington Post were more hurt than angry when he was forced to apologize to them for sexual harrassment?

Cobra said:
A liberal is a

“deadbeat who thinks the world owes him/her a job, housing, healthcare, an education, a car and all the other things in life. In addition, a liberal is a person who blames others for his/her failures or his gender or race or past history and not his/her own lack of knowledge, experience or ability.

Libs do not believe in equal opportunity but in sameness of all human beings.

notsofast said:
In addition, a liberal is ..

A stupid person who idolizes billionaires and likes to be told what to think.

DrinkURtea said:
If he’d just gone with them in the first place he could have gotten on TV without even having to go to college …just like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.

You realize of course 2/3rds of the adults in this nation did not graduate from college? What possible relevance could 4 years of college have to do with being a political pundit or an entertainer or a TV host?

Iris said:
For Gods sake is this little manchild STILL WHINING!!!??
Uncle Carence Thomas’ teabag wife should get togehter
with him since neither one of them can move on
AND SHE COULD TEACH HIM HOW TO DRUNK DIAL!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Still haven’t gotten your daily serving of prunes.eh?

Have you seen all those commercials about how one in six people have a mental problem? They all seem to be here today. RRK, BFD, Box of Rox, Box of Rocks, Ted, DonnaK, Cobra, Hugo and the many others.

Mr.Papshmer said:
But Middle, I think that most people are smart enough to separate irrationality from the real world. In the real world, muslims attacked us. It doesn’t matter if you call then extremists or fringe or whatever. I could go for that, but:

1) Most muslim theocratic nations hate us.

2) Several muslim theocracies encourage violence against us.

3) Millions of muslims dance in the street at each act of violence against us.

So is it irrational to be on guard when muslims or arab looking people are on a plane with you? I’m not a frequent flyer, maybe two or three times a year, but I’m always aware of who’s around me, and I make plans as we take off. Paranoid? Maybe, but I’m guessing that I’m not the only one.

No, I don’t think it is completely irrational. As I stated that in another thread elsewhere pertaining to Williams situation. In fact I stated that as a whole we would be stupid not to heed a certain amount of guard for ourselves in many different yet same scenarios. At the same time, looking over our shoulder constantly, particularly at most muslim americans, is over the top fear mongering that the right feeds on and into. IMO

All of the muslims that I have engaged in conversation with (not that it’s been a huge amount) came to this country for religious freedom and away from suppression by their religion in their own country.

gordonbloyershow said:
Have you seen all those commercials about how one in six people have a mental problem? They all seem to be here today. RRK, BFD, Box of Rox, Box of Rocks, Ted, DonnaK, Cobra, Hugo and the many others.

Sometimes it takes one to know one, Gordon.

Hugo Daun said:
Can we each get separate lives, or do we just have to split the one?

Aren’t you one person using two names to post here?

gordonbloyershow said:
Have you seen all those commercials about how one in six people have a mental problem? They all seem to be here today. RRK, BFD, Box of Rox, Box of Rocks, Ted, DonnaK, Cobra, Hugo and the many others.

I’m pretty sure that the “one in six” are the idiots like you who still watch commercials w/o TIVO skipping through them. I haven’t watched a commercial in 6 years. lolol

notsofast said:
“deadbeat who thinks the world owes him/her a job, housing, healthcare, an education, a car and all the other things in life. In addition, a liberal is a person who blames others for his/her failures or his gender or race or past history and not his/her own lack of knowledge, experience or ability.

Libs do not believe in equal opportunity but in sameness of all human beings.

That’s BS. No one owes anyone a job. But when the corporations are pleading for tax breaks, saying this will create more jobs, the more jobs created one would think would be in the US, not outsourced. The more jobs created or kept here, creates more people at work able to get affordable housing, car, education to gain knowledge, experience and ability. Affirmative action is moving out of the range of necessity more and more, yet is still needed to a small extent. I would like to believe (hope) it will not be necessary at some point in time. It gets closer as all of us old ass white males die off.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
’m pretty sure that the “one in six” are the idiots like you who still watch commercials w/o TIVO skipping through them. I haven’t watched a commercial in 6 years. lolol

Thank goodness for TIVO and that I’m not that old to not know how to work it! Yet.

From the article: “Williams even threw in a dash of Keith Olbermann in there, earnestly inquiring of his former boss, NPR CEO Vivian Schiller, “Have you no shame? You and your far-left mob fired me!”

Williams had no problem BEING a member of the “far-left mob” while the paychecks rolled in. Williams thus exposes his own hypocrisy – a key qualification for working at Fakes “News.”

“Libs stop hating black people!”

Dumbya loved black people to death – especially if they were in the path of Katrina.

“the US taxpayer shold not be handing over money to any media. ”

Then we should charge more for broadcast licenses. Commercial broadcasters make almost-free use of public airwaves. Corporations effectively pay a single-digit tax rate, if any. The public should get a fair return for the use of its airwaves.

“It pisses me off that there are so many people that are willing to led around by the nose, simply because it makes them feel good.”

You are describing precisely the Fakes “News” audience – as well as much of the rest of right-wing media.

Left-leaning radio hosts like Thom Hartmann and Randi Rhodes challenge their listeners to read up on issues they discuss on-the-air. Rhodes assigns “homework” to her audience and urges them not to simply take her word but find our for themselves. By contrast, Fakes “News” hosts often have a sanctimonious, Word-From-On-High delivery and attitude.

Rush Windbag all but tells his listeners NOT to think for themselves . . . and they all too often comply.

“it was suggested that he should have shared this with his psychiatrist. That may or may not be true”

It IS true. The NPR chief said it then, to her credit, quickly apologized.

“Labor Unions protecting their members from unfair labor practices. ”

The bastards!

“Cobra is not overly fond of white people.”

He’s not overly fond of SELF-DELUDED people.

“would it have been ok to do on MSNBC”

If he’d done the same self-aggrandizing schtick there, no.

“the right will eat you up and spit you out just as quickly, if given the right circumstances”

Even in the WRONG circumstances, the right will attack-attack-attack anyone and anything that remotely smacks of liberalism . . . or centrism . . . or any form of non-conservatism. It’s almost laughable to read some of the righties here accusing the left of being hidebound, rigid ideologues – thereby proving that we often imagine in others what we fail to see in ourselves.

“1) Most muslim theocratic nations hate us.”

Granted, dropping bombs on people does tend to wear out one’s welcome. Nevertheless, I doubt the accuracy of your claim. Saudi Arabia, for instance, loves our oil $$$ and our former Republican presidents.

Did the Iranians hate us when they held a candlelight vigil after 9/11? (I doubt that you heard about it on Fakes “News.”)

“2) Several muslim theocracies encourage violence against us.”

Much of that rhetoric is for domestic consumption. Words are cheap. Bombs cost.

“3) Millions of muslims dance in the street at each act of violence against us.”

While the other 1.5 BILLION or so are content to go about their lives and leave us in peace.

I’m not so sure about “millions,” either. We see video of a relatively few very public displays of disdain – which Fakes “News” shows incessantly – thus amplifying their impact on the psyches of mesmerized viewers.

One reason for the decline of the left’s influence is, ironically, its own flexibility and sense of fairness. While the right falls into rigid lock-step behind their loudest and shrillest mouths, the left holds meetings to pick a leader.

By the same token, the left’s resilience RESIDES in its flexibility and fairness. Disinclined to mindlessly “follow the leader,” they don’t march right off a cliff as the right so often does. The left is seldom caught in its own contradictions and hypocrisies, as the right often is. For example; congressional conservatives rant and rage against the deficit – a deficit THEY helped create. We are expected to ignore this hypocrisy. Lock-step neocons do, but the rest of us beg to differ.

NPR has high standards – and relatively low pay – for its on-air talent. They are supposed to be impartial, fair and avoid making inflammatory or inciteful comments. (C-SPAN has a similar policy and succeeds admirably.) If Williams could not abide those standards he should have left NPR voluntarily. Leaving in the fashion he did earned him both a “golden parachute” AND a ton of free – and undeserved – publicity.

Defunding public broadcasting would be a dreadful mistake. With its flaws, its still one of our few remaining independent media entities. Local public TV/radio stations provide a media source that might not otherwise be available to the average American citizen.

Having been in the business, I can tell you that no one gets rich working in public media. Many of the people working at those stations could do better financially in commercial media – as I subsequently did. Nevertheless, I felt I had provided a necessary service: I’m sure many of my peers feel the same way.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
“the media more or less agree that the firing was not over a serious offense” They also pretty much agree that it was a stupid thing to say. I have a lot of such thoughts which I would never say to a roomful of people let alone on cable news. This will be another legacy for Juan…. UNFAIRLY FIRED FOR A STUPID COMMENT. lolol

In other words, you never say what you really feel you only say what it is acceptable to say. Yes, political correctness seems to be your guiding principle.

RichS said:
In other words, you never say what you really feel you only say what it is acceptable to say. Yes, political correctness seems to be your guiding principle.

lol…what used to be called “class” or “respect” is now called political correctness by the far Right. I understand how you wouldn’t “get it”. Your Dad did though.

MiddleRoader: Excellent, salient points.

Corporations are the biggest “welfare queens” in America. They beg for tax breaks, promising jobs. They got the breaks. Where are the jobs? Answer: China and elsewhere . . . thanks to tax breaks that ENCOURAGE companies to outsource our jobs.

Wealthy corporations and individuals benefit disproportionately from our commons; roads, public works, courts. They should pay taxes accordingly but usually do not.

Instead, they spend a fraction of what they should be paying in on fraudulent “Astroturf” neocon/Tea Party organizations like the Koch brothers’ FreedomWorks, convincing the easily swayed among us to fight against our own best interests.

MiddleRoader said:
All of the muslims that I have engaged in conversation with (not that it’s been a huge amount) came to this country for religious freedom and away from suppression by their religion in their own country.

Middle, the problem that I have with muslims is the lack of outrage for terrorist acts.

Imagine this: a bunch of mormons trained for years to pilot airplanes for the purpose of destroying America. They succeed in taking down the Sears Tower, The Hancock Building, and the Standard Oil Tower. Channel Five in Salt Lake City shows a clip of thousands of mormons celebrating the terrorism.

How do you think the story would be presented?

I guess Mara Liasson is next for the ax at NPR. She is guilty of the same crime: appearing on Fox. If you don’t toe the party line, off to the Gulag for you !

jrcmi said:
jrcmi says:
October 23, 2010 at 4:25 pm jrcmi(Quote)

jrcmi said:
Left-leaning radio hosts like Thom Hartmann and Randi Rhodes challenge their listeners to read up on issues they discuss on-the-air.

God, instead of writing this tripe, you could have saved time by just saying you are a moron.

Randi Rhodes, the hate-mongerichallenges people?

Air America Host Suspended for Clinton Remarks
By BRIAN STELTER

Randi Rhodes, an afternoon host for the progressive Air America radio network, was suspended Thursday after repeatedly insulting Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at an event last month.

Ms. Rhodes used vulgar language that likened Mrs. Clinton to a prostitute at an event sponsored by KKGN, the Air America affiliate in the San Francisco area, on March 22. A video of Ms. Rhodes’ remarks was published to the video-sharing Web site YouTube on Tuesday, prompting condemnations by some bloggers.

In a statement, Charlie Kireker, the chair of Air America, said the radio network “encourages strong opinions about public affairs but does not condone such abusive, ad hominem language by our hosts.”

And this:

In the first five minutes of her show today, Randi let this one go:

“The Clinton campaign describes Hillary’s voters as older, white, and undereducated. Or as we called them in my neighborhood: white trash.”

Yeah, Rhodes, Hartmann, and KO- the trinity of hate!

jrcmi said:
From the article: “Williams even threw in a dash of Keith Olbermann in there, earnestly inquiring of his former boss, NPR CEO Vivian Schiller, “Have you no shame? You and your far-left mob fired me!”

Williams had no problem BEING a member of the “far-left mob” while the paychecks rolled in. Williams thus exposes his own hypocrisy – a key qualification for working at Fakes “News.”

“Libs stop hating black people!”

Dumbya loved black people to death – especially if they were in the path of Katrina.

Lots of huffing and puffing. Very little blowing the house down. Study harder or you’ll end up behind the counter at Enterprise Rent-A-Car.

“the US taxpayer shold not be handing over money to any media. ”

Then we should charge more for broadcast licenses. Commercial broadcasters make almost-free use of public airwaves. Corporations effectively pay a single-digit tax rate, if any. The public should get a fair return for the use of its airwaves.

“It pisses me off that there are so many people that are willing to led around by the nose, simply because it makes them feel good.”

You are describing precisely the Fakes “News” audience – as well as much of the rest of right-wing media.

Left-leaning radio hosts like Thom Hartmann and Randi Rhodes challenge their listeners to read up on issues they discuss on-the-air. Rhodes assigns “homework” to her audience and urges them not to simply take her word but find our for themselves. By contrast, Fakes “News” hosts often have a sanctimonious, Word-From-On-High delivery and attitude.

Rush Windbag all but tells his listeners NOT to think for themselves . . . and they all too often comply.

“it was suggested that he should have shared this with his psychiatrist. That may or may not be true”

It IS true. The NPR chief said it then, to her credit, quickly apologized.

“Labor Unions protecting their members from unfair labor practices. ”

The bastards!

“Cobra is not overly fond of white people.”

He’s not overly fond of SELF-DELUDED people.

“would it have been ok to do on MSNBC”

If he’d done the same self-aggrandizing schtick there, no.

“the right will eat you up and spit you out just as quickly, if given the right circumstances”

Even in the WRONG circumstances, the right will attack-attack-attack anyone and anything that remotely smacks of liberalism . . . or centrism . . . or any form of non-conservatism. It’s almost laughable to read some of the righties here accusing the left of being hidebound, rigid ideologues – thereby proving that we often imagine in others what we fail to see in ourselves.

“1) Most muslim theocratic nations hate us.”

Granted, dropping bombs on people does tend to wear out one’s welcome. Nevertheless, I doubt the accuracy of your claim. Saudi Arabia, for instance, loves our oil $$$ and our former Republican presidents.

Did the Iranians hate us when they held a candlelight vigil after 9/11? (I doubt that you heard about it on Fakes “News.”)

“2) Several muslim theocracies encourage violence against us.”

Much of that rhetoric is for domestic consumption. Words are cheap. Bombs cost.

“3) Millions of muslims dance in the street at each act of violence against us.”

While the other 1.5 BILLION or so are content to go about their lives and leave us in peace.

I’m not so sure about “millions,” either. We see video of a relatively few very public displays of disdain – which Fakes “News” shows incessantly – thus amplifying their impact on the psyches of mesmerized viewers.

One reason for the decline of the left’s influence is, ironically, its own flexibility and sense of fairness. While the right falls into rigid lock-step behind their loudest and shrillest mouths, the left holds meetings to pick a leader.

By the same token, the left’s resilience RESIDES in its flexibility and fairness. Disinclined to mindlessly “follow the leader,” they don’t march right off a cliff as the right so often does. The left is seldom caught in its own contradictions and hypocrisies, as the right often is. For example; congressional conservatives rant and rage against the deficit – a deficit THEY helped create. We are expected to ignore this hypocrisy. Lock-step neocons do, but the rest of us beg to differ.

NPR has high standards – and relatively low pay – for its on-air talent. They are supposed to be impartial, fair and avoid making inflammatory or inciteful comments. (C-SPAN has a similar policy and succeeds admirably.) If Williams could not abide those standards he should have left NPR voluntarily. Leaving in the fashion he did earned him both a “golden parachute” AND a ton of free – and undeserved – publicity.

Defunding public broadcasting would be a dreadful mistake. With its flaws, its still one of our few remaining independent media entities. Local public TV/radio stations provide a media source that might not otherwise be available to the average American citizen.

Having been in the business, I can tell you that no one gets rich working in public media. Many of the people working at those stations could do better financially in commercial media – as I subsequently did. Nevertheless, I felt I had provided a necessary service: I’m sure many of my peers feel the same way.

jrcmi said:
Wealthy corporations and individuals benefit disproportionately from our commons; roads, public works, courts. They should pay taxes accordingly but usually do not.

LMAO

It would be nice if you once stated a fact, instead of lib lies.

” What income group pays the most federal income taxes today?

The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shoul­dered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per­cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. ”

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes

Mr.Papshmer said:
Middle, the problem that I have with muslims is the lack of outrage for terrorist acts.

Imagine this: a bunch of mormons trained for years to pilot airplanes for the purpose of destroying America. They succeed in taking down the Sears Tower, The Hancock Building, and the Standard Oil Tower. Channel Five in Salt Lake City shows a clip of thousands of mormons celebrating the terrorism.

How do you think the story would be presented?

I can understand this point to a degree, but the muslims I know live very low key, unassuming lives. They will speak of such things person to person and but are not inclined to put themselves in the spotlight. They let that type of thing up to their religious community leaders.

I’m old enough to remember when God and church was on Sunday and people quietly practiced striving to be like Jesus M-S. When Christianity started its push more and more in the political arena, that is when all hell started to break loose and is continuing to get worse. More and more Christians are becoming less Christ-like than Christ would like. It’s very unfortunate, in my mind, that Christians are focusing less on what would Jesus do by hiding behind their cloak of hypocrisy called religion.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Middle, the problem that I have with muslims is the lack of outrage for terrorist acts.

I haven’t asked her, but I’m pretty sure that the little Muslim girl in my daughter’s Girl Scout troop would likely be outraged at any terrorist attacks, no matter who committed them, much as I disagreed with the things the Klan did, when I was a youth.

Sorry I realize my last post doesn’t really answer your question and doesn’t make a lick of sense really. I hit submit before I should have, as I was on the phone and I must run now. If this thread is still going around when I come back I will try to be more clearer. Again, I apologize.

“Juan Williams is really embracing the martyr role” …..

Yep. Exactly. That’s the first qualification for being a conservative or a Fox News host these days.

jrcmi said:
Left-leaning radio hosts like Thom Hartmann and Randi Rhodes challenge their listeners to read up on issues they discuss on-the-air.

And Glenn Beck says never to take his word for anything and always do your own research. The difference between Hartmann/Rhodes & Beck is that people actually listen to Beck.

Hugo Daun said:
Can we each get separate lives, or do we just have to split the one?

Considering the troops of sockpuppets already residing in his crowded psyche, you’re going to have to settle for a far far smaller percentage.

writer said:
That was my point, Mag. Most aren’t a threat. But being nervous when you see a fin doesn’t mean you’re a shark bigot. It’s a normal human response. Same with snakes. They make most people nervous, yet most are harmless and not venomous. The far left is preaching that normal human reactions are evil, and something that should be overcome. So if you’re in the ocean, see a fin, and you have no reaction to it at all, then Hondo, you are much man.

Who specifically is saying this normal human reaction is evil?
I agree, that what he described is human and normal. I think NPR, and CAIR and FOX have missed a much more important discussion. It is a normal human visceral reaction, and as such an irrational fear. That feeling has a very real and potentially negative impact on the relationship between Muslims and non Muslims, and we should be talking about it openly. Not just that it’s normal as in widespread, but it’s potential impact on real people. I hope somebody has the good sense to seize the opportunity to do that story and deal with the subject with a little more depth.

I agree with the author that Juan was a little melodramatic but he did just get fired so I can understand the venting. Now that he’s done it I hope he can get over that and discuss something else. He’d win my respect if he used the opportunity to explore the very feelings he expressed in some constructive and realistic way.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Middle, the problem that I have with muslims is the lack of outrage for terrorist acts.

I think that’s something that also needs to be discussed along with the feelings Williams expressed. We do need to be able to hear both sides of the story.

Maybe Muslims have feelings about the thousands of Muslims killed by American forces and the fact that we’ve occupied two Muslim nations for years now. Communication and consideration should be a two way street. Maybe they have some things they think justify their outrage.

murphy0071 said:
Juan Williams is remiss in attacking his past employers. He was the one that made insensitive comments, albeit they were only his personal feelings about Muslim garbed persons on airplanes and should have been sacked. I suggest it was a simple set-up by Fox News for NPR and they got what they wanted Juan. Now he can wallow in half-truths and outright lies with the rest of the Fox crew. Wow what fun!

People like you, Iris and the rest of the liberals on here have foxphobia and need help. Watch the programs sometime and you might learn a thing or two but seeing that you are probably socialist already and want to live off others like leeches it wouldn’t help.

Isn’t it the fairness doctrine the liberals are pushing? Equal time for each side. I bet this won’t apply to NPR. It is funny how George Soros and King Obama are attacking Fox News. They feel that ONE news outlet is threatening their empire. One against CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS …balanced? Anything but total control threatens liberals, nothing balanced about that.

Soros’s actions to control and manipulate the American people and our democracy is nothing short of terrorism. The US Government should take action to stop it. Guess there is no chance given Soros, Obama are branches from the same tree – socialism.

jo hoochie said:
Isn’t it the fairness doctrine the liberals are pushing? Equal time for each side. I bet this won’t apply to NPR. It is funny how George Soros and King Obama are attacking Fox News. They feel that ONE news outlet is threatening their empire. One against CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS …balanced? Anything but total control threatens liberals, nothing balanced about that. Soros’s actions to control and manipulate the American people and our democracy is nothing short of terrorism. The US Government should take action to stop it. Guess there is no chance given Soros, Obama are branches from the same tree – socialism.

Soros and Rupert Murdoch are the same. At least Soros doesn’t have a Saudi Prince in tow.

MiddleRoader said:
I can understand this point to a degree, but the muslims I know live very low key, unassuming lives.

But that’s the problem, Middle, I can tell you that if I worshiped a god, and some people committed horrendous crimes in the name of the god I worshiped, I’d be pretty pissed off. I wouldn’t be low key and unassuming, and I can’t understand how any “religious” person can stand by and watch this happen to their faith, unless they want it to.

CosmosDan said:
Maybe Muslims have feelings about the thousands of Muslims killed by American forces and the fact that we’ve occupied two Muslim nations for years now.

Or maybe they just hate our way of life and want to impose their stupid values on the entire world, since they’ve been practicing terrorism long before 9/11.

CosmosDan said:
Maybe Muslims have feelings about the thousands of Muslims killed by American forces and the fact that we’ve occupied two Muslim nations for years now.

And too, why is it always non-muslims telling me this?

I defended him endlessly and said his firing was 100% unjust, but if his actions are stated as in this article, he’s shown no class, no journalism sense, and no future..

good luck with that Juan.

Mr.Papshmer said:
But that’s the problem, Middle, I can tell you that if I worshiped a god, and some people committed horrendous crimes in the name of the god I worshiped, I’d be pretty pissed off. I wouldn’t be low key and unassuming, and I can’t understand how any “religious” person can stand by and watch this happen to their faith, unless they want it to.

I can’t answer that for anyone else but myself. Which is why I have been atheist for most of my life. And for a lot less reason than 9/11. I’ve been sitting back watching Christianity get hijacked for a very long time, now. Used as a tool for agendas, that I’m quite sure it was not intended for. And it sometimes scares the hell out of me and also pisses me off that the average Christian next door or pastor isn’t more outraged by said hijacking. They either honestly don’t see it or don’t care to question it as it might send them straight to hell for a loss of faith. Which comes right down to once again *fear*. So maybe most quiet peaceful muslims are to afraid to speak out, fear of damnation. I won’t be Bill Maher or some others that would perhaps paint all Christians with the same paint brush, so I won’t paint all muslims with the terrorist brush either.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Or maybe they just hate our way of life and want to impose their stupid values on the entire world, since they’ve been practicing terrorism long before 9/11.

And maybe we’re to arrogant in wanting to impose Christianity on the rest of the world as well. And again, if the average american peace-living muslim wished to live with terrorism, why come to this country? Stay home and be happy.

Yes, there is the fringe extremists that do hate our way of life, but it would be the minority of them.

Mr.Papshmer said:
And too, why is it always non-muslims telling me this?

Hmm, this brought to mind, the Amish. I live in a state that has a vast community of Amish that have had some terrible things happen to them in the last so many years and yet they never speak out in a negative way. They are quiet, peaceful people that want nothing to do with anything other than working on their farms, feeding their families and being left alone. The vast majority of them live what their faith teaches them, even in adversity.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Or maybe they just hate our way of life and want to impose their stupid values on the entire world, since they’ve been practicing terrorism long before 9/11.

The facts are that we have been fucking with their way of life a lot more than they have ours. Terrorism is a label but when thousands of innocent civilians are being killed the labels don’t always matter. How would Americans react in their place?

Mr.Papshmer said:
And too, why is it always non-muslims telling me this?

If you’d like to make an effort to actually have a two way conversation with one or more Muslims to speak your mind and hear theirs , good for you.

ConLoonPatrol said:
I defended him endlessly and said his firing was 100% unjust, but if his actions are stated as in this article, he’s shown no class, no journalism sense, and no future..

good luck with that Juan.

Here’s some video of Juan Williams, on Mike Huckabee’s FNC show, explaining just how he felt about having to explain his firing to his children.

http://johnnydollar.us/

CosmosDan said:
How would Americans react in their place?

How about I tell you how YOU would act– if the situation was reversed and we had flown planes into private buildings in Afghanistan AND the equivalent of their Pentagon, and they reacted with invasion, from every indication here, you’d be the first to say they had asked for it.

WE had asked for it, rather.

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Cecelia said:
How about I tell you how YOU would act– if the situation was reversed and we had flown planes into private buildings in Afghanistan AND the equivalent of their Pentagon, and they reacted with invasion, from every indication here, you’d be the first to say they had asked for it.

Cecelia said:
WE had asked for it, rather.

Speaking for myself, I backed us going into Afghanistan. But when the war on terror took a turn for the worst. Iraq IMO, that’s when I had to step back and consider what else was going on. And now its 9 years later and it seems to me this year alone has caused more scary muslim scenarios then ever? Why is that?

MiddleRoader said:
it seems to me this year alone has caused more scary muslim scenarios then ever? Why is that?

Are you speaking of here, Europe, or Israel?

MiddleRoader said:
Why is that?

Maybe cause there is a dark skinned man in the presidential office that was not born in the US and is really a muslim? Even Bush himself said… this is not a war on Islam but a war with terrorists. Guess the wise one was wrong?

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MiddleRoader said:
Maybe cause there is a dark skinned man in the presidential office that was not born in the US and is really a muslim? Even Bush himself said… this is not a war on Islam but a war with terrorists. Guess the wise one was wrong?

You must be tired after going to all the trouble of building a strawman and then knocking it down.

Let ‘em have it, Juan.

I say stop whining Juan!! Do you know how many people in this county get fired everyday and have lost their jobs and who are still looking for work when you were hired by fox the next day so they can keep a so called moderate on their show because you certainily are not a liberal or even close to being one.At least you have a job while millions of middleclass cant get their unemployment benefits because the republicans wouldnt extend benefits so those people have lost their homes,cant eat and some are probably living on the streets.where as you can now make millions from fox being the so called “moderate” on their panel!
Where were you when some of your hate leaning hosts like Glen Beck called the democrats and the president horrible names.You spent years pretending to be the alan colmes of Fox and look what happend to Alan Colmes he was was way more moderate then you and he dare oppose Hannity and was the puppit on fox until he finally left.So you should be happy you can now work full time at Fox while they continue to sprew their hate for democrats and the president and you make a nice paycheck while millions of people will be sleeping in shelters or on the streets because they have not job.

Cry me a river for some millionaire pundit who lost one of his jobs.

Good for Martel’s boss, who’s smart enough to see that firing Juan Williams was a bad strategic move. Dan Abrams is like the proverbial broken clock, but on this one, he’s right on time.

Cecelia said:
You must be tired after going to all the trouble of building a strawman and then knocking it down.

Yeah, you’re right I did do that. Was rather stupid. I’ll admit it. I think I’ll take a break from this stupefying place for awhile.

Cecelia said:
How about I tell you how YOU would act– if the situation was reversed and we had flown planes into private buildings in Afghanistan AND the equivalent of their Pentagon, and they reacted with invasion, from every indication here, you’d be the first to say they had asked for it.

You are aware that the US government has been involved in overthrowing governments, propping up dictators, supporting warlords & sultans, and has taken actions both covert and overt in the middle east for nearly a century, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands..not including the Iraq War?

–Cobra

notsobrite: LMAO

If you literally did that, you’d disappear.

Your linked article goes to a website run by the American Enterprise Institute, a right-wing funded and operated organization that is far from impartial in this matter. Why not go steal another article from the Wall St. Journal, instead?

“The difference between Hartmann/Rhodes & Beck is that people actually listen to Beck.”

Their loss. Hartmann, for one, posts much of his source material on his site. I have checked some of them at random and found them valid. Beck will merely refer you to yet another right-wing source of equally questionable value. See notsoswift, above.

“Maybe Muslims have feelings about the thousands of Muslims killed by American forces and the fact that we’ve occupied two Muslim nations for years now. ”

Count on it. The respected British medical journal Lancet estimated as many as one million dead Iraqi civilians as a result of Bush’s illegal war there. There are many millions of displaced Iraqis, as well. Schlock and awe.

“the liberals on here have foxphobia”

Maybe they just don’t like being lied to, bullied and vilified for questioning Fakes “News’” many journalistic failings.

“seeing that you are probably socialist already and want to live off others like leeches it wouldn’t help.”

Any person who doubts Fakes “News’” veracity is automatically a socialist leech?

Perhaps YOU are the one who needs help. Denouncing people you don’t even know is a form of mental illness.

“Isn’t it the fairness doctrine the liberals are pushing?”

The doctrine is long gone and won’t be back any time soon. You may freely wallow in right-wing lies, deceptions and manufactured crises without fear of the actual facts intruding. I exaggerate. Slightly.

“maybe they just hate our way of life and want to impose their stupid values on the entire world”

Their “stupid values” are shared by well over a billion people. The “entire world” appears to have survived – mostly intact – precisely BECAUSE the vast majority of these people do NOT wish to impose their values on the rest of us.

“why is it always non-muslims telling me this?”

Because ill-informed, angry right-wingers have intimidated and defamed the moderate, law-abiding Muslims who might otherwise respond on their own. Neocons engage in the same ethnic intimidation they accuse all Muslims of using.

One thing Clinton did right was to treat terrorists as the criminals they are. The first WTC bombers and McVeigh/Nichols were hunted like criminals, found like criminals, tried like criminals and are now in the slammer as criminals or executed as criminals.

If Bush hadn’t been so psychotically hell-bent for war, bin Laden would now be a DEAD criminal . . . or wishing he was.

TtT said:
Soros and Rupert Murdoch are the same. At least Soros doesn’t have a Saudi Prince in tow.

Really? How many economies has Murdoch crashed?

DrinkURtea said:
Screw Juan Williams. He’s just another angry, xenophobic asshole who has finally found his rightful home. His integrity went out the window when he started hanging out a FOX NEWs in the first place. Of course, it was good for them since they could claim to finally have gotten a “real journalist.”

So, his integrity went out the window in 1997, three years before NPR hired him? You’re a loon, my friend.

Krauthammer to Nina Totenberg: Why did NPR fire Juan Williams but not you? A very good question that Nina couldn’t/wouldn’t answer

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/23/krauthammer-to-nina-totenberg-why-did-npr-fire-juan-williams-but-not-you/

Cobra said:
You are aware that the US government has been involved in overthrowing governments, propping up dictators, supporting warlords & sultans, and has taken actions both covert and overt in the middle east for nearly a century, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands..not including the Iraq War?

You are aware the Sadam Hussein was a cruel dictator and that the Taliban aren’t nice guys either?

You are aware of our stands that are supportive to Muslims in Bosnia and in Chechnya?

No doubt there’s been geopolitical strategy involving Cold War dynamics/tight-rope walks, as well as concerns about our oil supply, but no we aren’t the reason that the GDP of the entire Arab world is roughly the equivalent of Spain’s. For that they can thank their religion and that religion’s singular incompatibility to any sort of Enlightenment.

1. Yea, you do have to laugh when a guy is fired by a competing news outlet and then, like the next day, he is given a million dollar contract and the host’s seat on the highest rated cable news program to essentially cover his own story. :-)

2. NPR, or the people that run it, the decision makers on this, and in light of the Sherrod fiasco, are either arrogant and stupid, or very savvy (I’m betting heavily on the former) because all of this controversy has raised NPR’s ratings and given it more notoriety in a few days than over the past ten years. And really, it is the controversy that FOX is expert at orchestrating. That is what they do. They do it for ratings. NPR is just a willing stooge. Its like professional wrestling: you need a good guy and a bad guy dressed clownishly (Juan and NPR), an announcer who goes along with it and reports it as seriousness (Bill), a network to cover it (FOX), and we are those insane screaming fans who pack the stadium to see it. Of course, by far, most people do not really care.

TfT said:
Krauthammer to Nina Totenberg: Why did NPR fire Juan Williams but not you? A very good question that Nina couldn’t/wouldn’t answer

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/23/krauthammer-to-nina-totenberg-why-did-npr-fire-juan-williams-but-not-you/

Powerful.

Unlike Rick Sanchez, Juan didn’t use the race card.

….and both Juan and Rick are Latinos and the difference is one didn’t use the race card after they were fired as the main reason.

Cecelia said:
How about I tell you how YOU would act– if the situation was reversed and we had flown planes into private buildings in Afghanistan AND the equivalent of their Pentagon, and they reacted with invasion, from every indication here, you’d be the first to say they had asked for it.

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here. Most reasonable people will tell you that we weren’t attacked just because they hate our freedom. As Cobra pointed, we’ve been meddling in the ME for decades. We have to be smart and realistic when it comes to our foreign policy and , I hope, live up to the principles of justice and freedom that our elected officials use to get elected. Of course we had to respond to the 9/11 attack but two long wars and years of occupation hasn’t made us more secure and look at what it has cost us. We need to promote personal responsibility in our foreign policy as well as our domestic one. We hold those who attack us accountable, but we must be accountable for our actions in the world as well.

Cecelia said:
You are aware the Sadam Hussein was a cruel dictator and that the Taliban aren’t nice guys either?

You are aware of our stands that are supportive to Muslims in Bosnia and in Chechnya?

No doubt there’s been geopolitical strategy involving Cold War dynamics/tight-rope walks, as well as concerns about our oil supply, but no we aren’t the reason that the GDP of the entire Arab world is roughly the equivalent of Spain’s. For that they can thank their religion and that religion’s singular incompatibility to any sort of Enlightenment.

Yes, the reality is that we’ve done both good and bad. We’ve installed and supported cruel dictators, and when it suited us we worked with Saddam Hussein. all our choices have consequences. We chose to respond to an attack that killed 3,000 people by invading two nations, and killing tens of thousands. Our primary responsibility is our own security, It certainly is in our interest to encourage and aide other nations , but with only the minimum interference necessary from us. Our occupation there and the death of tens of thousands of Muslims has not made us more secure, but rather moved us closer to more widespread violence.

You’re incorrect that the problems of the Arab nations is their religion. The problem is years of corrupt leaders who used religion to manipulate the public rather than working to bring their nations into modern times, and for the sake of business interests, we were willing to help.
Islam is no more incompatible with enlightenment than Christianity is.

We all know this issue is going to die down. Juan is just butt hurt that he got fired and so now he’s hiding behind the conservative movement to get back at NPR. In a week or 2 we’ll all forget, so who cares

Please fast forward a week or two, so we can bury this over kill of a guy who still has a job! Even if it is for Fox.

Juan was not ‘wrathful’, he was passionate and angry. Anyone in his position would be. I was glad to see his authenticity.

If Juan Williams is too open-minded for your organization, than your organization is too narrowly focused to receive taxpayer grant money. End of Story.

Cecelia said:
You are aware the Sadam Hussein was a cruel dictator and that the Taliban aren’t nice guys either?

You are aware that the CIA installed Saddam Hussein and his Ba’ath Party in a 1963 coup? You are aware that the Taliban as well as the crew of radical Islamists who attacked us on 9/11 were brought together and funded by the CIA to help fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? (Operation Cyclone)

If you don’t believe me, Google still works.

–Cobra

Cobra said:
If you don’t believe me, Google still works.

Did it… the only sites I could find that expressly stated that the CIA installed Saddam into power were dodgy leftist ones at best.

I did find a much more complex story in a PBS interview with Said K. Aburish — http://tinyurl.com/70ge, having to do with the Cold War realities that I mentioned in my previous post.

I was aware that we sponsored the Mujahideen in Afghanistan (a policy that was more frequently discussed until former Sec. of State Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote a book detailing how it began in the Carter years), another Cold War maneuver.

This notion that the U.S. should have acted as though we had no interests to protect in the Middle East and that the USSR wasn’t a threat to our national interests is the usual stuff of blogboard geopolitical strategists..

Someone said that nations don’t have permanent friendships, they only have permanent interests. If all the proposed policies of Robert Kennedy, Jr., had been enacted 30 years ago, the flow of oil would not be of less import to us than it is now.

There’s nothing more obnoxious than the relativistic notion that someone we were obliquely complicit in what happened on 9/11 because we have had the historic temerity to be a nation with a vital national interest in the continuing flow of oil (as have ALL nations). That somehow what happened to us has been met in kind with the past sufferings of people due to Cold War realities and that this emblematic of why there was a less than enthusiastic condemnation of 9/11 from Muslims, as well one against the murder of various artists who dared to criticize Islam.

It’s bunk.

CosmosDan said:
Islam is no more incompatible with enlightenment than Christianity is.

That is patently untrue.

The authoritarianism of Islam coupled with the nativism of the region has shown otherwise.

Cecelia said:
That is patently untrue.

The authoritarianism of Islam coupled with the nativism of the region has shown otherwise.

It’s not patently untrue. It;’s your opinion. There’s a significant difference between the two.
. Christianity went through it’s own period of being authoritarian and trying to dominate and failed. IMO most Muslims merely want to live and let live like average citizens here. Those that long for peace with other men must resist the fires of hatred being fanned and the us vs them mentality that is being encouraged.

Cecelia said:
There’s nothing more obnoxious than the relativistic notion that someone we were obliquely complicit in what happened on 9/11 because we have had the historic temerity to be a nation with a vital national interest in the continuing flow of oil (as have ALL nations). That somehow what happened to us has been met in kind with the past sufferings of people due to Cold War realities and that this emblematic of why there was a less than enthusiastic condemnation of 9/11 from Muslims, as well one against the murder of various artists who dared to criticize Islam.

It’s bunk.

It’s not that we may have been complicit in 9/11. It’s a recognition of choices and policies having long term real world consequences , and deciding as a people what our priorities and principles are. If we’re willing to abandon those principles for the sake of the flow of oil we can expect there to be repercussions. We had those same choices to make after 9/11, and they continue today. We have every right to defend ourselves, but how we do that reflects our principles, and has a direct impact on the future. Will we foster more resentment and violence with situations like Guantanamo, and ongoing occupation, or will we make the effort to establish peace, and extend to others the liberties we want for ourselves.
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and other related articles on the home page.
That’s where we find ourselves as a diverse society and nation. How do we defend ourselves but still try and live according the our principles?

Lanny Davis is the Treasurer for Joe Lieberman’s Reuniting Our Country PAC.

He is not a liberal, but I guess to help defend Juan it make sense for him to label himself as one to make it appear “fair and balanced”….they LOVE the polarization, it’s what keeps their minions coming back for more.

He’s crying over a $2 million contract?! WTF is he on? Nobody gave a damn about him before, now he’s the conservative go-to guy on FOX…HAHAHA!!!

The guy is filling in on The Factor….how could you possibly think he’s liberal at ALL! HE NEVER HAS BEEN!!!

Cecelia said:
Someone said that nations don’t have permanent friendships, they only have permanent interests. If all the proposed policies of Robert Kennedy, Jr., had been enacted 30 years ago, the flow of oil would not be of less import to us than it is now.

There’s nothing more obnoxious than the relativistic notion that someone we were obliquely complicit in what happened on 9/11 because we have had the historic temerity to be a nation with a vital national interest in the continuing flow of oil (as have ALL nations). That somehow what happened to us has been met in kind with the past sufferings of people due to Cold War realities and that this emblematic of why there was a less than enthusiastic condemnation of 9/11 from Muslims, as well one against the murder of various artists who dared to criticize Islam.

It’s bunk.

When innocent people pay for the ruthless profiteering of multinational oil corporations with their lives, it’s beyond “bunk.” Unless you’re a person who believe in a never-ending supply of oil, what’s the end game? That we continue to design our foreign policies and lifestyles around the business plan of Exxon-Mobil?

Brazil is not going to war in the middle east over oil. They’ve taken domestic steps not be held hostage to imported fossil fuels. What steps would you have the United States take?

[quote]“There’s nothing more obnoxious than the relativistic notion that someone we were obliquely complicit in what happened on 9/11 because we have had the historic temerity to be a nation with a vital national interest in the continuing flow of oil.[/quote]

If you sleep with a rattlesnake, the snake isn’t to blame if it bites you. You knew what it was when you got in bed with it, so of course you bare some responsibility for your fate.

–Cobra