Oh, is it that time of year again?

Young Republican groups have been doing this gag since before there were blazers. It’s hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-larious every time.

Looks to me like the students made their point that the bill is racist.

Why is it that liberals push Affirmative Action, but then call it racist when it’s not implemented the way they envisioned?

It’s an old lesson in the foolishness of affirmative action and the need for everyone to be treated equally and stand on their own .

Those who are “offended” will be offended no matter what . It’s what they do .

I always love these Affirmative Action bake sales and the response from the close-minded morons who get upset over them. And I always appreciate the irony of people who support racist policies such as Affirmative Action calling something that obviously mocks the policy a racist stunt.

I hope John Stossel invites them on his show and they accept. I’m curious about just how hateful and close-minded their critics were. Also curious how many people supported them, since UC Berkeley is a known haven for intellectual cowards after all — but sometimes you can be surprised.

Lefties HATE when righties shove the lefties own hypocricy in their faces, so they resort to labels of racism, homophobia or misogyny.  It’ all too predictable.

Reminds me of this great video:

Petition to Apply Affirmative Action to Basketball Team

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmSzgvaJCn0

You may not like it. But it makes a good point. I note you didn’t address the merits of them doing this. Just that it’s… How did you say… “hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-larious every time”.

But thank you for letting me know your “perspective” on things. I will note your personal opinions when reading your take on the “news”.

you obviously didn’t watch the video, or you simply have no idea what
you’re talking about……or both

again, either you guys didn’t watch the video
or, you have no idea what you’re talking about

i’m gonna go with BOTH

again, either you guys didn’t watch the video
or, you have no idea what you’re talking about

i’m gonna go with BOTH

did you even watch the video or consider an alternative point of view
which challenges your own?

knee jerk nonsense…..

watch the video and try and familiarize yourself with the UC system
or california law before you make stupid comments….

do you live in california or did you attend UC?

Um, yeah I did and I know exactly what I’m talking about.  Do you?

You know what’s racist?  Everything. Especially roosters.  Have you heard the way they cocka-doodle-doo?  I saw a special about it.  I can’t remember if it was on Dateline, Nightline, or 60 minutes but I remember they covered it on CNN & MSNBC.  Also, Tommy Christopher wrote multiple articles linking to the story, decrying the obvious racist ways and coded language of the roosters.

and what’s the point?

please, with some detail….

You know what else is hiiiiiiiiiilarious every time?  Charges of racism.  It was funny all 72 times yesterday, and it will be funny all 184 times today.  You lefties are a real riot when it comes to inventing claims of racism!  

obviously you don’t michelle, judging by your initial response….

It’s true – the headlines on this story seem to be pretending it’s a brand new thing.

They’ve been doing this for a long time, and they get the same predictable, outrageously outraged response from the self-appointed diversity police every single time.

The screamers, curiously not self-aware, walk right into the trap every time and have to then explain (once they’re done screaming and emoting) exactly how this is not illustrative of their own approach to government-sanctioned racism.

And they then walk away in a huff screaming about racism and muttering about Nazis becuase they can’t come up with a cohesive response.

Works like a charm.

I don’t see a problem with this. If its OK for the Govt. to make race a bloody issue at every turn, then maybe acts like this will make them think twice. Trying to reverse past discrimination with a new one is madness. 

My original comment is spot on.  Case in point, Obams is the prime example of affirmative action.  A white candidate with the exact same resume would NEVER have gotten the nom over Hillary. But when that’s pointed out, you scream racism. 

Darla Loon, watch the video I posted.  I’d love your thoughts.

How do you feel about the 1954 Supreme Court rulling of Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka? or the “Little Rock nine”?

The bill is racist, the bake sale is lampooning the racist bill.

Prop. 209 was passed by the people.

so you don’t think race should not be considered in the act of dispensing 
public education to the children of california?

if so, then wouldn’t it follow that one group of children (white children) would
disproportionately benefit more in that act?

Yes its always racist when you give someone other than the white majority a leg up.

we’re talking about public education in california, a diverse state with 35 million people

this has NOTHING to do with obama

michelle, stay on topic

i know cartoons and candy are tempting……but please, stay on topic

I’m not offended. It seems Those UC Berkeley College Republicans are offended.

Says the angry white man.

I’m talking about AA action as a whole Darla Loon.  Either it’s good or it’s not.

Translation, I can’t think of a good way to spin the stupidity of the liberals in the video.

Are you that much of an idiot Voltman. Racism is when someone is targeted because of race. When laws are made to give special treatment to someone then someone else who worked hard to get where he is going is denied the ability to do so. This being done by race makes it racism. But you must not be capable of getting it on your own so you want a hand up Voltman? You are inferior? Is that what you are saying that all the minorities are inferior?

Are you that much of an idiot Voltman. Racism is when someone is targeted because of race. When laws are made to give special treatment to someone then someone else who worked hard to get where he is going is denied the ability to do so. This being done by race makes it racism. But you must not be capable of getting it on your own so you want a hand up Voltman? You are inferior? Is that what you are saying that all the minorities are inferior?

Come up with that your own?

Thanks for further validating my point.

Come up with that your own?

Thanks for further validating my point.

Stop blaming the “whites” for your failure.

On topic, this is great! 3 cheers!

No, since they’re not ACTUALLY trying to have a racist bake sale. They’re clearly mocking racist legislation and people are calling that racist — which is hilarious because the irony of the hypocrisy is so unbelievably obvious to anyone with more than half a brain.

No, since they’re not ACTUALLY trying to have a racist bake sale. They’re clearly mocking racist legislation and people are calling that racist — which is hilarious because the irony of the hypocrisy is so unbelievably obvious to anyone with more than half a brain.

michelle,

again, we’re talking about public education in the most diverse and largest
state in the country.  

you’re talking about something else entirely….

translation:  i can’t possibly stay on topic because

a.  i’m not familiar with UC laws and CA law

b.  i’ve never been to california or attended the UC system

c.  i’m white

… except, Michelle… women have been the biggest recipients of affirmative action.  Oops.  Now if you really believe Pres. Obama won the Democratic Presidential nominee over Sen. Clinton because he is black and it had nothing to do with the way Hilary conducted her campaign than you are making a downright ignorant statement that many would define as racist.  Because, you see (which I doubt), you are making the color of one’s skin an issue… something Rush Limbaugh does everyday. 

When the race came down to the two nominees, I ending choosing Obama because I detested that Clinton took the low rode using Republican smear tactics on Obama’s character rather than concentrating on the real issues.  And Obama stayed above the affray with class as he has done through this whole pile of shit he has had to deal with from day one of his presidency.  And I would bet there are a lot of voters that feel my same sentiment.

Why would the white children benefit disproportionately? The dispensing of public education should be based on scholarship. Are you saying that the minorities are inferior and can’t make the grades or pass the test?

hahaha…the left steps in it every single time!!!

hahaha…the left steps in it every single time!!!

If you want to stop race-based discrimination, stop discriminating on the basis of race.

i’m saying that minorities have less opportunities….

which is a FACT

i’m saying that minorities have less opportunities….

which is a FACT

Or perhaps they can’t build and maintain communities capable of educating children without the help of an enormous government that understands their inadequacies. Is that it, darla?

Or perhaps they can’t build and maintain communities capable of educating children without the help of an enormous government that understands their inadequacies. Is that it, darla?

“Dog Whistle Bake Sale?” Calling TC !!

I love how you try to put words in my mouth while insluting me at the same time.(Idiot) Your response is predictable. You act like a spoiled child. A muticulturail college is a good thing.It’s called working and learning with people of different backgrounds. Can’t wait for your insulting reply.

The soft bigotry of low expectations.

Have any of you lefties seen Waiting For Superman? Can you tell me what the formula is that they’ve found will greatly improve education results among low income kids?

Now if you really believe Pres. Obama won the Democratic Presidential nominee over Sen. Clinton because he is black and it had nothing to do with the way Hilary conducted her campaign than you are making a downright ignorant statement that many would define as racist.

Obama won the nomination because the party insiders (Superdelegates) decided to give it to him.

Spot on.

Already knew You would like it.Your favorite subject.

http://tinyurl.com/kvbztz

Your very welcome!

darla, the only argument you seem capable of making is that its California and no one else can understand.

All I know is that if I were a Native American woman, I’d be eating a shitload of free cookies.

BS, minorities have just as many opportunities and in fact more opportunities than whites. The reason they are not taking advantage of them is their own victim hood. Attitudes like yours are what is holding some minorities back. They sit home and wait for the handout. The Katrina disaster is a good example of that. Film taken of disasters in for instance NY and San Francisco show the entire community digging in to help each other. Film in New Orleans showed healthy young black men complaining that no one had yet even covered the dead body in front of their house and they needed someone to come and help them.

I hope they have an INCREASE DIVERSITY health care insurance plan too :-)

Tim Wise gets it. He complains is that it’s sarcastic and it’s unoriginal, both of which are beside the point.

Yes, actually, it is. Glad that you understand that simple concept.

You seriously don’t get it? Wow, it’s about as blatant as it gets.

The legislature introduces a bill to legalize affirmative action for admission… so the students protest it by creating an affirmative action bake sale.

Liberals support the former, then flip out & go emo over the latter.

Apparently racially-discriminated college degrees are OK …. but racially discriminated cookies is crossing the line.

so you don’t think race should not be considered in the act of dispensing 
public education to the children of california?

You haven’t explained why it should be.

Walk,
Obama has not one iota of class.

So you’re saying the bake sale isn’t racist?

gotcha.

I enjoy watching privileged white people complain about not being “free.” It reminds me of the good old days just before the civil war.

They have a point. How about making it without being dicks?

I’m fine with both. They were anti-discriminatory, not pro-discriminatory. How do you feel about them?

republicans and racism go hand in hand

 The satiric bake sale is such a good idea that perfectly illustrates the stupidly and unfairness of the Liberal policy.  That is why it drives Liberal nuts.  A few months ago I saw a video where students at a University were asked if they supported affirmative action.  Most said yes, of course, it was only fair.  Then they were asked if this affirmative action should be applied to their basketball teams as well.  Well, of course not!  That should be based on ABILITY.  It wasn’t important to be fair, it was important to have a team that could WIN.   These students could not see the irony.  It was beyond them.  Typical Liberal mentality. 

K, that was funny.  Nothing like laughin til you cry!

Funny, when libs see what AA is in black and white, they go nuts!

LOL

I’m glad there is some middle ground we can agree on. Nice for a change.

Yes. They even sent death threats to themselves over it.

Yes libs, more and more people are starting to agree with your belief that minorities are not as capable, smart or  as industrious as lilly white libs, and therefore must be accorded special treatment to compete with such blessed white people. 

‘Wow!’

What a completlely fatuous idiotic comment.  “If we don’t discriminate based on race, that is discrimination?”   Ever heard of the concept of equal protection under the law?  Wow, you libs really stretch it, don’t you?

Even more so……’when you are blind to what racism, really is!’

Ah, a comment from the party of Slavery and Jim Crow.

You dont get what they are saying….because your blinded by hate … Its not racism dummy! Its an old experiment even done in the 80′s by democrats and conservatives to let people understand that we really are not all equal in this country! A lot of things are just like this now days but you and others only see the simple things in front of your face.

This bake sale has been out for at least five years plus. Nice of you to catch up.
Here’s some other facts you might have missed.
3 sets of fathers/son
39,996 were younger than 22
8,283 were 19
33,103 were 18
12 were 17
5 were 16
1 was 15             
These are the  US KIA’s in Vietnam.

These are the same people who think “shared sacrifice” means “soak the rich”, so….

What’s really Hiiiiii-larious is that affirmative action in the workplace, colleges and universities is OK but affirmative action bake sales cause this much uproar. You’re missing the point. 

Where are they saying anything about freedom? They’re talking about equal treatment from the government.

i love how exercises such as this expose the inherent racism of affirmative action…  funny how discriminating against whites for jobs and education isn’t anywhere as offensive as asking whitey to pay more for a muffin… 

qwerty it seems that you aren’t intelligent enough to understand the whole object of the bake sale, it’s to point out the racism of a pending bill and the affirmative action recruiting office across the street.

English comprehension class 101.

LMAO

“TMP”

if people receive a helping hand via affirmative action it should be based on SES, not minority status or skin color. And I don’t believe entrance standards should be lowered because someone is a minority or female. I find that offensive.

I don’t find anything wrong with the bake sale because it starts a dialogue. If people are offended their cookies are cheaper, they should stop and think about what that means wrt school.

We have a black POTUS, and black millionaires and geniuses. It’s time to stop telling people with dark skin that they need special help because they aren’t as capable.

I like when they ask students if they’re ready to share their grades with students who don’t do as well as they did. “Hell, no! I earned my grades!” is the usual response.

How is that in california? I live here and this state bends over backwards giving education in all schools every effort for every student to succeed! 

The less opportunities you talk about is really the family layout and the lack of parent involvement in  education of there children in black america. 

White and Asian america has a different family layout and puts more effort and understanding of a higher education…Black america needs to find a way to fix that among themselves at home …this is not racism this is a culture problems.

There is always extremist on anyside of an argument .That includes race, religion and politics .Look at abortion for example.

Well I agree with it… since it was making people EQUAL, not preferring one group over another. AA gives one group an advantage over another… which by any definition is racism. How is a poor white kid from rural Missouri with little opportunity in life given LESS of an opportunity because some politician and judge see him as having more of an advantage in life than a middle class black kid from the suburbs?

AA has been shown over the years not to benefit the poor black community…. but more often benefit the middle-class and higher black community. I think we can all agree that an AA program that targeted the poor and disadvantaged regardless of color would be more effective and less divisive.

This is not the first time a bake sale like this has been done, and the Liberals didn’t get the first time around either. It’s racist alright, from the view of the people being hurt by it the most! As noted this time, and the first time, it’s only racist if it evolves people of color. There are people out there more than willing to use counter-racism to meet their selfish needs.

NorCalSister,
Unfortunately, to libs, speaking the truth is racist. 

Hooray for the college Republicans!!!!  That PARANOIA will no longer fly.  Racism is a meaningless, toothless, empty word today…all because it has been used too frequently when it was not true.  And most Americans are well aware of that.  So anyone who wants to “cry wolf” again, is talking to deaf ears or to their own choir.

Racism is what NASCAR does, right? Racing around in circles.

LMAO

“TMP”

And it shows you just how insidious racism is. No matter who’s using it to their benefit!

In this case, the extremists are the liberals threatening violence in the name of, um, government-sanctioned racism.

I don’t have to live there or attend there; liberal policies are a f-ing joke no matter where you live or where you go.

Students starting at a disadvantage need a boost.,Diversity is desirable.

When all schools across the U.S. receive the same material support so that all students receive an equal education and equal opportunity to learn and progress then, perhaps, the need for affirmative action will be moot.  But that will never happen.  Higher education is already discriminating against everyone on the basis of wealth or lack thereof and it will only get worse as the gap between rich and poor widens……so don’t knock affirmative action too soon;  it may be needed to keep poor whites from being locked out of higher education as well.

What? No optional +$2.00 White Guilt fee?

Minorities have far more social and self help programs than anyone else in this country. It’s too bad that they don’t have a liberal stupidity self help program.  You’d qualify.

“TMP”

You speak of the Democrats, I’m sure, since it was the Democrats who initiated it back when the South was heavily Democrat.  Remember, it was a Republican…Abraham Lincoln…who freed the salves.

No, it’s that time of the day for Republicans.

That’s why the liberals don’t get it; they lack even half a brain.

Those hating on the bake sale organizers are in favor of government-sanctioned racism, and will fight violently to protect it.

Those defending the bake sale organizers are in favor treating each individual in the American society as a human being legally equal to and as capable as every other human in the American society, regardless of race.

I know which side I’m on.

They’ve been getting that leg up for 50 years now, it’s time for them to lift the other leg up on their own.

“TMP”

And a direct way to point our the absurd use of Affirmative Action in today’s colleges.

As they say…please explain to us just what racism is today.  To many of us, the word no longer has any meaning.

their are libraries all over the country. one doesn’t need materialistic things to learn. they need a decent teacher, a desire to learn, and it helps to have (at least partially) engaged parents. 

teacher unions and govt. run schools are failing the kids. so are parents who aren’t engaged.

What it really comes down to many people is Affirmative action is needed to compensate minorities for past slavery
or oppression.That is why they are poor in the first place and need a leg up. They and their parents have not had the opportunities like the rest of us had.

Now THAT is B*llsh*t!!!  The opportunities are there…one has to CHOOSE to take advantage of them.  One can start off by attending classes and getting a high school diploma. 

Of course, public school today is not what is was 20 or 30 years ago.  The Teachers Unions and the Leftie Liberals have seen to that by dumbing down the curriculum to the lowest common denominator so no student’s “self-esteem” is damaged by touting those on the Honor Roll, etc.

They have a point. How about making it without being dicks?

Maybe if they just called everyone who disagreed with them racist homophobic Nazi teabaggurz, they’d get their point across to the left even more clearly.

I love how you try to put words in my mouth as well, one of your favorite tricks. Your response is predictable. You act like a spoiled child. Deflect much? Multicultural education is in fact the best and no where do I discount that. The lack of affirmative action does not mean lack of multicultural education. In fact it would improve it. Having all the minorities attending that are not on the same level is not conducive to a learning atmosphere that teaches respect of each other. Diversity is the only way to have any group. Diversity brings more ideas and more solutions. I prefer working with a diverse group any day. In my work in Aerospace we always find better solutions and better teamwork with a diverse group. Again I say that liberals claim that the minorities are inferior is the insult. I do not feel they are so and that they can and will succeed if they try. They have much going for them and being treated like children is no help.   

Sorry that my sarcasm was obtuse.  When I speak of the “Party of Slavery and Jim Crow” I am always speaking of the Dems.   Discrimination was absolutely fine with the Dems, in fact, some of their leaders like Woodrow Wilson and FDR actually practiced discrimination, along with a long history of Dem Southern Governors.  When the Dems lost power in the South, they decided to rewrite history, absolving themselves of their racist past, and projecting their own evil deeds onto the Repubs.  Never forget that each and every evil which the Civil Rights acts sought to correct, was perpetrated by the Dems, and the Dems only.

WELL SAID!!!

Change the subject.

“TMP”

What exactly do you think has been going on in this country for the last 50 years?  No diversity?

What’s hilarious about those videos is watching them try to talk their way through their initial reactions. They say things like, “You shouldn’t take something from somebody that they worked hard to earn,” or “well, the people who aren’t doing as well should work harder.”

And you can see their faces twist a bit when they actually hear what they’re saying. It’s even funnier when they’re asked why they don’t apply that to their politics or economics.

“No, that’s different,” with no coherent explanation is the gist of the answer.

Hey a response without insluts. Good for you! I knew you had it in you.That wasn’t that hard, I don’t want to repeat my latest messages.No insult intended. So I’ll let you read them for my response .

That’s a good line.  When are you going to start practicing it?

We have seen with the first elected dark skinned president how the right wing media has played the racist card just as the Republican Party lured Southern white Democrats to vote for Nixon after the passing of the Civil Rights Act.  Racism is still very much a part of this country’s fabric.

Poverty is the real issue here anyways.  And poverty is growing all around us not labeled to one race.  And to take the simpleton, black and white world view of blaming the individual rather than the true forces at play… greed and power… which is also used to divide us, than we will as a country continue to spiral downward.  There is a reason why there is an Article 1, Section 8 in our Constitution.      

And hen do we focus on the poor and needy regardless of race? Are you OK with a poor rural white kid who has had every obstacle put before to try and get into a good college being jumped or given a handicap to help a middle or upper-class black kid? Let me put it this way.. and yes I’m going to use extremes here….

Are you OK with a poor orphan white kid who’s mom was a meth-head and dumped him on his own not being given a spot at a college to give it to Bill Cosby’s grand-kid?

The boy behind the sale, and a girl from the school were just on FOX discussing this. A comment she made at the very end was revealing. She said, “having whites with one price, and Asians with another, and African Americans with another, that’s just not right”. (paraphrasing a bit.) She made it sound like they, she is African American, also have issue with how African Americans are *ranked* so low… 

But, that’s how AA works, all minorities are not “equal”, are they?

LOL!  Looks like everyone got the point.  I notice that the bake sale didn’t specify “African Americans”.  I remember a friend of mine, married to a South African man (both white), tried jokingly to categorize her kids as African American.  Life is not fair.  People are NOT born with equal opportunity.  But they are born with opportunity.  Pathetic liberal policies create vague definitions of who is disadvantaged and who is not.  And libs go through hilarious histrionic dances to explain why Asians seem to do so well, while other immigrants don’t. Kind of sad, actually.

The point, did it elude you again?! The point is, affirmative action is unfair and that’s why it’s been overturned. College placement points should be based solely on test scores, and only on test scores. 

Learn how to spell, write and articulate a point. Stuupid Rethug.

What’s your middle ground?

“The planned bake sale enraged many Berkeley students who widely decried the event as “racist””

Then they did exactly what they set out to do, exemplify the inherent racism in college admissions.

Or mostly, how it’s used!!

Libraries are public institutions genius. And many Librarians are IN unions, particularly those that work at colleges/ universities and schools.

Actually what is failing “the kids” is you and you ilk’s anti-intellectual anti-fact opinions, which you ALWAYS seem ready to give, regardless of their ridiculous nature.

The only children in California that should be attending school are legal American children…period!!

Expand on that? What opportunities are they be held back from achieving?

TATBOY WROTE BELOW:”Are you OK with a poor orphan white kid who’s mom was a meth-head and dumped him on his own not being given a spot at a college to give it to Bill Cosby’s grand-kid?”………………..There is not a perfect solution and there probably will never be one. But the example you gave is in the extreme. Reality is that most minorities are poor. Not all of them. It’s an equalizer.Again not perfect. But serves a purpose.   

That’s optional for progressive diners. It’s like checking the “carbon offset” box when you’re booking LTL.

Racism= power+ predjudice+ privilege. B/c of historical factors, both obvious and occult, People of colour have long been economically disadvantaged in comparison- which results in having issues accesssing social services, higher education, among other things. Simple maths really. It’s never been about capability (‘personal responsibility’ the favoured rethug mantra) it is about the hierarchy and foundations of our very society. History- wouldn’t hurt you to learn some.

Voltman I rarely insult. You on the other hand always insult, always play the race card, always use deflection and never respond directly to the post. You also bait big time fishing for insults just so you can ding someone for an insult. It is very difficult to respond to you without insulting you. You beg for it so. Your most common post is to whine that someone has insulted you while you are busy insulting everyone.

I’m not usually the English police, but I can’t help but get a laugh whenever a prog mocks conservative “anti-intellectualism”, complete with misspelled words. :)

What the hell does race have to do with it? Shouldn’t the question be, why IS race one of the determing factors!

I can just picture all the liberal loons putting on black face in order to get cheaper cupcakes.

That’s known as Liberal Logic.

That’s known as Liberal Logic.

Really? What a really stupid comment ot make!!

A predictable answer to a predictable racist attitude! If you can’t handle criticism of your thoughtless remarks, don’t make them!

There is no point.

White people are discriminated against (poor babies).  That’s the point and there is no point.

If they wanted to be honest with the sale, they’d give the white guy a dollar out of the till first for his bailout, then 3 dollars after he buys a cupcake. Fifty cents if he manages to jack a cupcake from one of the minority students. 

Wow. Such. Utter. Ignorance. There are like 3 or 4 levels of idiocy in that one post. Don’t know how you managed that one, Michelle, but BRAVO!

Wow. Such. Utter. Ignorance. There are like 3 or 4 levels of idiocy in that one post. Don’t know how you managed that one, Michelle, but BRAVO!

You don’t get elected President of the United States because of affirmative action.  That’s just silly.

Grow up.

You don’t get elected President of the United States because of affirmative action.  That’s just silly.

Grow up.

No idea what she’s talking about for sure….probably both.

No idea what she’s talking about for sure….probably both.

Hehe.. Looks like little Spanky got embarrassed, and ran his comment through the English filter. Helped a little. :)

No you idiot.  Courage to talk about the things that divide us are what represent the Republican Party.  While school masters in Great Britain wring their hands about children dressing in black to represent witches and major news organizations are accused of racism for dropping the letter G from a report on an Obama speech, Republicans for the most part do not shy away from the touchy subject of race.  Democrats avoid such uncomfortable subjects for many reasons, most of which I’m sure stem from the checkered history they as a party have when dealing with race relations.  You cannot truly communicate with anyone from behind fake smiles and double speak.  Is some of what conservative say raw? – sure it is, but how will it ever be possible for we as a nation to develop a thicker skin when talking about a subject as plain as the nose on our faces?

California has the largest population of illegal alien parasites in the Nation with upward of 15% of students being illegal at a cost of nearly $8,000,000,000 annually to meet the special requirement of people who shouldn’t be here in the first place. That’s $8-Billion taken from the legal children of California!! And now they want the children of illegal alien parasites to be able to attend college at “instate charges”.

I seem to get more stupid relpies in my e-mail box from you than anyone else. By far! Take your hard on and follow some log cabin Repulician.Not interested!

I’m sure they’ve used the word Nazi a few times, that’s always popular. But I’m sure they have their own pool of names for their “enemies” on the left.

Jin_TheNinja tells someone to “Learn how to spell” and in the next sentence refers to the target of his/her/whatever ire as a “stuupid Rethug”.  Now I’m sure you were just trying to be cute with the intentional misspelling of the word but as I’ve come to know a couple of things about liberals, it certainly is a possibility that you are just an ignoramus.

Tell me I’m wrong.

Do you think AA was needed in this country at one time?

Right. Things really changed in the last 50-60 years, haven’t they? After Brown v. Board, and more importantly the CRA and VRA, all those disaffected Democrats of whom you speak pulled their kiddos out of public schools and joined the Republican party. Happened throughout the South and the Border states. foramlized by Nixon in the Southern Strategy, endorsed by Raygun. Accepted by Poppy and W and live and well still in Teapublican circles even today. Where have you been the lastsix (6) decades. Don’t worry about the last three (3) years. I understand you have been whining about our African American president. So, 1955 through 2009 will be fine.

I think the student Republicans are being intentionally offensive and the offended are reacting in a classic knee-jerk offensensitive manner. 

I smirked and nodded when I read the pricing list, especially when I learned that I, as a female, would get 25-cents off regardless of my ethnic heritage. 

Sadly, given representation of each of those categories of people in positions of authority or access to higher incomes and education, the pricing structure is probably realistic for each group’s buying power, although GOP policies are doing a darn good job of bringing us all to our financial knees… except for those hard workin’ top CEOs and market investors.

What’s offensive to *me* is the last line. After making their snotty little point — which actually supports those who are rightfully calling the student Republicans on their crap — that little tagline completely removes any goodwill I was feeling toward them. 

I would be curious to know how many of each of those ethnic groups might have taken advantage of the pricing structure… and what it might have told us about financial distribution and purchasing habits… if anything. 

The 1st Amendment protects all of the students involved in this bit of theater and it’s important to remember that neither “side” is protected against being offended. 

On a related note… who’s baking these baked goods? The student Republicans… or their mothers/girlfriends/the Union baker at the grocery store?

Thanks for the explanation. Only a racist could undertake that. Andm you did.

The truth hurts, pug.   I said that’s why he got the Dem nom.  He had NO experience and Hillary had a ton. You can’t possible be saying that a white man with the EXACT SAME experience and resume would’ve gotten the nom over Hill.  It’s just not believable.  He was elected because McCain was an awful candidate and people bought into Hope and Change.  I know plenty of people that fell for it and couldn’t be more sorry now. 

I remember when Ms. Carter says that what troubled her most about Raygun was not his own racism, but that he worked very hard to make comfortable people with their own racism. Seems he made you extraordinarily comfortable.

Perhaps, the Republicans will soon turn their attention to make us feel comfortable about dingos eating our babies. That will be a huge relief.

Perhaps, the Republicans will soon turn their attention to make us feel comfortable about dingos eating our babies. That will be a huge relief.

… or that time of month.

… or that time of month.

You’re wrong.

The UC of Berkeley College Republicans have made no case at all that standards will be lowered by this policy.   They have made no rebuttal to the valid argument that race will be determinate only in cases where other credentials are similar.

Until these kids can come up with an articulate response that either proves that keeping the same academic standards is statistically impossible OR that the principle of a color blind society is worthwhile in itself, this stunt is going nowhere.

The UC of Berkeley College Republicans have made no case at all that standards will be lowered by this policy.   They have made no rebuttal to the valid argument that race will be determinate only in cases where other credentials are similar.

Until these kids can come up with an articulate response that either proves that keeping the same academic standards is statistically impossible OR that the principle of a color blind society is worthwhile in itself, this stunt is going nowhere.

Being a honkie is a terrible burden,

Being a honkie is a terrible burden,

Actually i didn’t edit my comment- could you please point out errors in orthography?

thanks!

Nope, not embarassed at all, still trying to determine what you found gramatically deficit in my comment….

And whether or not your legacy. And how much money your father contributed to the library fund. That kind of affirmative action gave W a great education.

You say you’ve watched the video yet, you don’t see the inherent racism in giving preference to race and ethnicity? Is blantet targeted-racism eluding you?!! How the hell can anyone condone that crap?!!

Nice. You state the point and then claim it doesn’t exist. It must be like a funhouse in your head.

Libraries are public institutions genius. And many Librarians are IN
unions, particularly those that work at colleges/ universities and
schools.

Actually what is failing “the kids” is you and your
ilk’s anti-intellectual anti-fact opinions, which you ALWAYS seem ready
to give, regardless of their ridiculous nature.

Royal Emperor:  Why don’t you try to respond to what my comment stated?  Every single evil perpetrated by racists, which was sought to be cured by the Civil Rights act was actually PERPETRATED by Dems.  Those Dems were tolerated and welcomed by the rest of the Dem Party.  LBJ thwarted Ike’s attempts at a Civil Rights law.   A higher percentage of Repubs voted  for the Civil Rights Act.   The KKK was a Dem supported organization.  Slavery was part of the Dem party platform.   Jim Crow was an invention of Dems, exclusively.   Woodrow Wilson was an unrepentant bigot who segregated the govt and the military. FDR not only didn’t change that policy, he interned people into concentration camps based upon race. Dems stood in the way of each and every attempt at civil rights by the Repubs.  FDR appointed a KKK member to the SCOTUS.   Only when the Dems could literally “purchase” the votes of blacks did they move forward on Civil Rights. You wish to ignore the evils that are at the heart of your party, erase those evils from history by rewriting history, and project your party’s evil deeds onto the Repubs.  Please note that, other than Strom Thurmond, who had already left the Dems, no racist Southern politician changed parties and won re-election as a Repub.   In other words, you and your party are attempting to perpetrate a LIE!

These people are supposed to be educated. The best and the brightest for the future of the United States of America. All they are is a bunch of irresponsible people who spread hate. Education  is supposed toienlighten. It is obviously, that these young people are neither enlightened or well educated. Sometimes money does just buy access. It is ashame that these young people are so unprepared to live in a diverse, educated community that is the real ruture of america.

What part does attending UC Berkly have to do with anything?

Equitable treatment of everyone is more desirable. If Berkeley were so interested in diversity, they’d promote diversity of opinion.

Racism= power+ predjudice+ privilege. B/c of historical factors, both
obvious and occult, People of colour have long been economically
disadvantaged in comparison- which results in having issues accesssing
social services, higher education, among other things. Simple maths
really. It’s never been about capability (‘personal responsibility’ the
favoured rethug mantra) it is about the hierarchy and foundations of our
very society. History- wouldn’t hurt you to learn some.

We haven’t had slavery for 146 years. Neither them, nor their parents nor their grandparents nor their great grandparents were slaves. No one in California was a slave. Slavery has absolutely nothing to do with this. That card’s expired.

There’s just as many poor white people as there are black people. Let’s all move on.

lol, You spelled a few things wrong so how can you criticize someone else and call them stupid when you do it yourself? Kinda kills your point!

What is the cause of your failure? Reverse discrimination? That must mean you’re the dumbest White person in Central California. We all knew that, of course.

Darlaloon:

What UC, and CA laws are you talking about????

Why should this be a surprise or controversial???  These cowardly college republicans are simply doing what they have always done.  These are the same young yellow college republican cowards who were in favor of the illegal Bush / Cheney / GOP war in Iraq while also admitting that they were too busy to enlist in the military and fight in the GOP’s illegal military acts of agression.

If poverty is the issue then we don’t need the race card. You can put it away.

Your “right wing media played the racist card’ is to laugh…at.

Those “Gentile” mean, women, children and infants could have used an affirmative action plan at Mountain Meadow, huh, Michelle-in-Utah?

Royal Emporer – Pulled that one from Monty Python’s Ministry of Silly Posts archives, did you?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

For that analysis, you get 200%!

….”few things” …

Name ONE thing.

aside from my snide and condescending “stuupid.”

I guess rethugs have difficulty counting as well!

True, the “tea” party has made us numb with their applications of the same!

What’s Mountain Meadow, Kook? Do tell.

Conservative Victimization Syndrome.

Irrelevant. Is it needed now? Is it fair now? Should government be doing it now?

PS and neither do you lot, have any sense of humour as well!;)

The UC Berkeley College Republicans forgot to note that women are only worth 1/2 of that of a man (like in Saudi Arabia).  How did the UC Berkeley College Republicans Soverlook this fact?

And what of the Obama / Biden / Democrat wars?  You remember, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya . . . NONE with congressional approval by the way.

Yep, these students are doing what they always do, i.e., displaying liberal hypocrisy.

Translation: Time to grow up, think, focus, act. Past time for you, Michelle-in-Utah,

Translation: Time to grow up, think, focus, act. Past time for you, Michelle-in-Utah,

People of color have been disadvantaged by the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Good grades don’t cost money. Why do low income/urban/minority kids do so poorly in school? Have you seen Waiting For Superman?

The answer is clear, and it isn’t economic. Nor is it that colored kids are stupid.

People of color have been disadvantaged by the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Good grades don’t cost money. Why do low income/urban/minority kids do so poorly in school? Have you seen Waiting For Superman?

The answer is clear, and it isn’t economic. Nor is it that colored kids are stupid.

Why do the Conservatives/Republicans/Tea-Baggers get so agitated when they are called racists?

Is it fair to say that all Conservatives/Republicans/Tea-Baggers are not racists. But all racists are indeed Conservatives/Republicans/Tea-Baggers?

The Republicans took over for the ol’ Southern Dem ways.  Way to go Republican party.  

Wonder how many of these young white Republicans will admit that they displaced a brighter, more qualified Asian American?  Shh!  Dirty secret of higher ed is that Asians are pushed aside for whites.  Of course, women are no pushed aside for men.    

Wonder how many of these young white Republicans will admit that they displaced a brighter, more qualified Asian American?  Shh!  Dirty secret of higher ed is that Asians are pushed aside for whites.  Of course, women are no pushed aside for men.    

Detroit has one of the highest per student spending rates in the nation, and they have the worst performance. This problem can’t be solved by throwing money at it.

Detroit has one of the highest per student spending rates in the nation, and they have the worst performance. This problem can’t be solved by throwing money at it.

Have you seen Waiting For Superman?

PS and neither do you lot, have any sense of humour as well!;)

I am Liberal on most issues of the day and I say this is a thought provoking exercise.  The point being that quotas or weighing value or cost based on race, sex or place of origin is controvercial.  In schools we emphasize objective ranking (grades) yet quotas do allow lesser students entry into universities.

Trying to Make things ‘equal’ is a messy business…

I did my Andorra Christmas shopping trip today, Tumbleweed. Spent a small fortune at opticians shops and jewelry stores and leather shops. Some woman from Spain (not Catalonia) has a disgusting little dog who krapped on the sidewalk. She and the dog just walked on. For some reason, it was just like you were with me.

I suspect Tumbleweed had only a barely adequate education, perhaps culminating in some soft cheeese degree at some second or third tier college. That explains her anti-education, anti-intellectual stance.

And the Federalists opposed Jefferson, Nixon founded the EPA, etc…

Lets try to stay contemporary here.  

Ron Paul is a libertarian who believes in social darwinism. If you believe what Ron Paul believes, you wouldn’t give a damn about the Black community in the first place. You would have opposed, like Paul and his son, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, believing that the market should address racism and discrimination. 
  A social darwinist doesn’t give a fig about the poor, and simply state that either somebody else’s charity help them, or they’re screwed.

  That’s why what you’re writing in your statement doesn’t match up to your apparent political leaning.

–Cobra

Where do you see white get a leg up ..with a fact.. Tell me…Its not in education Its not in any state or civil servant  job.. its not in any federal contract…Its not in California’s states loan applications? Not in any Fanny Mae or Freddie Mac loans… Because everyone of those things listed gives a higher point and score if you are a minority. We dont live in pre civil rights time and almost ever person out there working was not even born close to those times…. 

 Black america has every chance and more to become something and contribute to this country Today. its their choice what they do. Black America need too fix their family structure first and stop being a victim and stop following  Rev Al  Sharpton and Jessie jackson who is making millions off of victimology. 

 How do you feel about nepotism, cronyism, legacies, fraternalism, and old-boy networks?

–Cobra

 How do you feel about nepotism, cronyism, legacies, fraternalism, and old-boy networks?

–Cobra

Let’s see, the 400 richest Americans (representing .0000035 percent of all households in the United States) are richer than the bottom 50% combined.  You have hedge fund managers on Wall Street making over a billion dollars in one year while paying less than 17% in taxes.  You have multi-national corporations who have made billions off the wars by overcharging.  You have Wall Street excecs., who oversaw the looting of the middle class (creating a larger poverty class) with the home mortgage fiasco while these banks now are taking peoples’ homes.   

… and you are worried about the fate of the rich paying more taxes.  Is that you thinking for yourself, Pablo, or is it just you repeating the talking points from the whining multi-millionaire charlatans like Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, Levins, Beck, Savage, Coulter. etc.?  (I remember when Savage was talking his ditto heads into sending him money to pay for his court cases… what fools.)

The only rich who are complaining about paying more taxes are the greedy, elitist modern day plantation owners.

You mean that the Repubs had as their party platform, Slavery forever?  Or that the Repubs invented Jim Crow Laws?  Or that the KKK was a Repub founded organization?  Or that Repubs segregated both the Federal govt and the military?  Or that separate but equal was a Repub invention?  Or that the author of the Dred Scot decision was a Repub?   Or that a Repub placed an active member of the KKK on the SCOTUS, and that the Repub Senate approved him?  Or that Repubs placed Asians into concentration internment camps? Or that “Whites Only” was a Repub invention?  Or that Repubs opposed Ike’s attempt to pass Civil Rights Laws some 10 years before they were eventually enacted.  Or that the Repubs had a smaller percentage of members vote for the Civil Rights Act in the 60s?   Is that your position?  Or is it that AFTER the evil of the Dem party was thwarted, the South began to change?

F.O.

Sorry that it offends you, but I am not going to sit here and allow Dems to LIE about the history of the Repubs, nor rewrite the Dems own sordid history.  If you wish to be honest, I applaud you, but if you wish to be dishonest about the Dem Party, prepare to be confronted with the truth.

and another thing, while I appreciate the sentiment of diversity quotas how do you explain that to our young scholar.  It can be absurdly difficult to qualify for entry into top state schools – how do you tell our finest students (many with nearly perfect academic records) they cannot get into a good state school because they had too much opportunity or ‘advantage’ while attending public schools?

How do you tell a brilliant hard working kid he cannot get into a state school so that others with significantly inferior records can attend.  What did he or she do other than work hard and perform well???

crickets.

Yes, I know they are public institutions. The books are free. They are free places where people can go and learn all they want. It doesn’t have anything to do with materialistic things like fancy schools. It has to do with a desire to learn and improve yourself. 

Anti-intellectual, anti fact opinions? My ilk?

Talk about anti-fact opinions, bubba!

I am all for education. Went to college myself. My entire family did. 

teacher unions and govt. run schools are failing the kids. so are parents who aren’t engaged.

“Some woman from Spain (not Catalonia) has a disgusting little dog who krapped on the sidewalk. She and the dog just walked on. For some reason, it was just like you were with me.”

Yes, you’re right. More often than not, when I see you, a nasty little turd, I just keep on walking.

time have changed. wouldn’t hurt you to realize that. the opportunities are there. it’s up to the people to go after them. 

If you promote education and have no problem with public institutions- then what exactly is the problem with public schools? i cannot seem to glean an actual point of reference from your post other than pseudo -libertarian nonesense conflated with a promotion of the Library as public institution. Some of the best schools and post-secondary institutions are PUBLIC.

To what fault of their own do these children deserve your wrath?  It is amazing how so many of you right wingers’ anger is diverted to the poor and disenfranchised instead of the real culprits… the puppet masters that pull your strings.  You are a simple minded jackass… period!!

Bullshit. I can tell you for a fact that school is the only structure most kids even have in their lives. Don’t blame government and unions for shitty parenting. If the parents don’t care then the child doesn’t. As I’ve said before if Billy’s parents gave him a whooping when he brought home an F maybe Billy wouldn’t be 35 and flipping burgers hoping to move up to drive-thru. Hell, teachers have it hard enough having to raise these neglected satan spawns.

So I’ll go ahead and take your “irrelevant” brush off as a “yes”.

So if we needed it at one time because the country had a clear problem with racial discrimination, how can you be sure we no longer need it?

You say “…although GOP policies are doing a darn good job of bringing us all to our financial knees…” but this is 2011 and Obama has had 3 years to turn things around.  Instead, it is Obama and the Democrats who have brought this country to its knees.  They had the White House and both chambers in Congress until this past January, when Republicans took the House.  The WH and the Senate are still in Democrat hands.   In 3 years, they have added to the debt 4 fold and have yet to propose a Budget.  They have totally lost the confidence of the American people and the world at large.

So you have no grounds whatsoever to blame Republicans for what is clearly a Democrat blow to the economy and public confidence.  Sorry, but Obama and the Dems are done and will lose big time in 2012.

Ooo..ooo…I’m a Racist, Your a Racist, Everyone is a Racists!!  La-la-la.

Waiting for superman is nothing but corporate propaganda and neo-liberal economic policy of the privitisation of public schools. Charter schools are not the answer, and the proof / stats largely suggest they don’t work even AS well as public schools. The answer is political. It is the funding and promotion of a critical and pedagogical education that is accessable and egalitarian to all.

I am not blaming the schools/unions for shitty parenting. I am blaming them for crappy educating. I totally believe parents are responsible for their kids. By engaged I mean in their child’s school work and with the school/teachers. They should be 100% engaged in parenting. Hence my comment “so are parents who aren’t engaged.”

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/26/poverty_is_the_problem_efforts_to

i prefer genuine scholarship over free market veneration.

This is off-topic, but I’m curious about your views on that scumbag Silvio Berlusconi as someone who lives in Italy. What do people think of him over there?

Actually it’s up to a gov’t and a society to support their citizens, and make sure institutions are democratic and egalitarian in nature. It’s called “democracy.”

It’s because they can’t control the curriculum as easily as they can at private schools. Public schools are CLEARLY run by socialists that teach radical concepts such as evolution and biology.

That is a poorly thought out and completely naive comment.
Southern Democrats are now pretty much today’s Republicans.
Sorry, you’re still racist.

What’s the price for a “Legacy” cupcake?  Or a “my-family-knows-a-senator cookie?”

–Cobra

Thanks for putting this complex issue into two diametrical concepts. Now we can decide for ourselves which of Good Lt.’s arbitrary “sides” we should take.

You’d make a great politician, and that’s the opposite of a compliment.

because lack of competition and teachers unions allows for crap schools and crap teachers to remain crappy. 

http://theworldlink.com/news/opinion/editorial/article_a9379b44-8d53-51d8-9649-ace37c3b78ed.html

I saw a great story about this school this weekend. I tried to find the video, but can’t. 

http://sciacademy.org/index.html

They are thriving.

NorCalSister,

 People on YOUR SIDE were the reason there needed to be a “Civil Rights Movement” in the first damned place. 

–Cobra

But here’s the thing; every parent can’t be engaged 100%. But it IS the job of the parent to instill the motives into the child. A friend of mine’s mom lost her way and ended up having all of her children taken away which caused her to clean herself up. She wasn’t able to be fully engaged having to support a family of 4 as a single parent, but despite that they’ve all graduated or are in college, 1 is in the navy and the other just sued a fashion company for intellectual property theft and won. They respect and love their mother and they do what they do for her and as I said she couldn’t stay engaged but let them know that they wouldn’t mess up. I come from the inner city, so I see this type of thing everyday. I will give you that most times students are just passed along (I once had to tutor a girl who wrote papers like she would a text message “They c dem and go talk 2 them”), but given the burden placed on teachers in this situation I still feel it is a stretch to make your assumption. Students will only get out what they put in. Prime example, I wanted to have credits coming into college so I looked into some options and discovered post-secondary classes, turns out my school offered them. I did that for MY success. When does personal accountability become a factor in this equation?

In fairness- aren’t people who support an openly racist / homophobic and covertly fascist political organisation, also known as “Nazis”?!?!

 What are you talking about?  Obama wasn’t “hired”.  He got more votes than Hilary did in key primary elections.  That’s not “affirmative action.”  That’s called running a better campaign.  But that’s a typical reaction of many White Conservatives to ANY minority achievement.

 ”It had to be Affirmative Action.”

–Cobra

free, obviously. 
well, free after you donate a library, that is. 

35% to 39% is a 4% tax increase and you feel that is soaking the rich at a time when the country needs the money and they’re pretty much the only ones who can afford it. That’s soaking the rich to you, Pablo?

Explain the American History regarding the White Man and explain how any form of “equal treatment” was involved.

–Cobra

I just LOVE this.
Conservatives are so original and imaginative….unlike liberal copybots.
EXAMPLE:
Conservatives form grassroots Tea  Party….HUGE success.
Liberals copy,,,form astroturf…Coffee Party. Abject FAILURE.

If it weren’t for liberals….Rolaids…Breathmint makers and single bed manufacturers would go out of business.

That’s maybe because you are from Northern Califorina? DK?. I am betting you are 35 yrs or younger. I could be entirely wrong. But I’m just guessin’.Where someone is from and what they haved experienced is how you form an opinion.I not putting you down.I don’t know your history. I can only go by my my own experiences I hasn’t been a long time since the 1960s..Not in the scope of American history. Bigotry has softened somewhat. It is still here. Do you expect the next (2nd) generation of any minority or culture to rise up to a equal status in a society?

Good point – would non-minorities give that up in exchange for no more quotas?

Let me make it simple for you. The bake sale illustrates reverse racism…understand now?! 

Royal Emperor below a revisionist but he can’t help himself..  

Maybe he would be interested in the truth.. if so he might want to read this article which appeared in the New York Times…  titled “The Myth of ‘the Southern Strategy’”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10Section2b.t-4.html

Or if he really values historical fact he may want to take a moment and really consider Nixon’s actual policies that he was able to accomplish during his tenure as president…  I would say that his legislative record is far more telling than are the lies propagated by the Royal Emperor and his Progressive masters. 

Between 1969 and 1974, Nixon – who believed that blacks had gotten a raw deal in America and wanted to extend a helping hand:* raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent;* doubled the budget for black colleges;* appointed more blacks to federal posts and high positions
than any president, including LBJ;* adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks
in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and
universities;* invented “Black Capitalism” (the Office of Minority Business
Enterprise), raised U.S. purchases from black businesses
from $9 million to $153 million, increased small business
loans to minorities 1,000 percent, increased U.S. deposits
in minority-owned banks 4,000 percent;* raised the share of Southern schools that weredesegregated from 10 percent to 70 percent. Wrote theU.S. Commission on Civil Rights in 1975, “It has only beensince 1968 that substantial reduction of racial segregationhas taken place in the South.”

no parent is perfect, and no parent spends 100% of their time with their kids. that’s not what I consider 100% engaged in parenting. i agree the parents need to instill motivation in their child – and by doing so are 100% engaged – whether it takes 5 minutes or 500k. 

i just thought of that film Precious – she did not have an *engaged* parent. That does happen. She had the will to learn, but her parent failed her, and then the school kicked her out, because she was pregnant. There are kids like that all over. White and black. And rich kids can have just as disengaged parents as poor ones. 

Reverse racism is simply a myth of the right.

Racism= priviledge + power+ predjudice

A minority culture within a majority cannot be racist against the dominant culture, because they do no possess the same historical, legal or institutional power and preferance the majority has.

Understand Now?

Of course their being intentionally offensive, racism on any level, used in any manner to harm another is inherently offensive, and this bake sale points that out. What better way to demonstrate that this colleges wants built in racism. College placement should be a standardized test, with first choice going to those that achieve the highest test scores no matter what race or ethnicity.

Did you understand that….Jin_TheNija…”spelling monitor”????? 

Do black republicans pay the extra $1.25 to reach “white” status? Or do all the whites chip in for him so he’ll stick around and be the token black republican guy that shields all accusations of racism?

It was the wholesale theft of public education after Katrina.

Naomi Klein wrote a book entitled, The Shock Doctrine.

It encompasses the privitisation of schools in New Orleans.

Which by the way have been a resolute failure.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/26/poverty_is_the_problem_efforts_to

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/1/waiting_for_superman_critics_say_much

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/3/educators_push_back_against_obamas_business

Why do Liberals always threaten/act with violence every time they get their panties in a wad? Just go buy a cupcake and get on with life.

“Black Panther Supporter Warns Conservative Student: I Could ‘Exercise’ My 2nd Amendment Right on You”

The Black Panther supporter didn’t like a Conservative student passing out pocket Constitutions.

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/black-panther-supporter-warns-conservative-student-i-could-exercise-my-2nd-amendment-right-on-you

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/1/waiting_for_superman_critics_say_much

Why didn’t “Jin_TheNija” attack you for spelling errors? This is a clear sign of Liberal bias!!  

Did someone say abortion?

You, reciting Mrs.Peanuts really bogus remarks doesn’t make them any less inane! 

Where can we find that factual study to read for ourselves? 

Is Whitey responsible for a 77% out-of-wedlock birth rate? How about grandparents in their 30′s? If you’re looking for poverty, that’s a damned good way to find it.

That’s a John Roberts quote, FWIW.

Point being, it’s reverse racism!! If a White or Asian gets a 3.5 on their test scores and a Hispanic or Black gets a 2.5 they’re raised to a 3.5. How the hell is that fair? How the hell is that not target-racism?!

Please, refrain from calling yourself White, “trailer trash” would be far more appropriate!!

How much rich people make means nothing to me. My concern is how much I make, and it’s up to me to make that such that I can take care of my business.

You people seem to want to enshrine covetousness as a virtue. It is not.

“Although Asians make up just five percent of the U.S. population,
they’re highly represented at some of the most prestigious universities:
They make up between 15 and 25% of Ivy League enrollment and 24% of the
student population at Stanford University. And the study found that 64%
of Asians aspire to hold a top job at a company, compared to 52% for
Caucasians. Yet only about two percent of Fortune 500 corporate officers
are Asian.”

http://www.bnet.com/blog/business-research/why-asians-hit-the-8220bamboo-ceiling-8221/1977

So if academic achievement is the ONLY factor you claim exists in hiring and promotion decisions, what’s your excuse for the treatment of Asian-Americans in Corporate America?

–Cobra

35% to 39% is a 4% tax increase and you feel that is soaking the rich at
a time when the country needs the money and they’re pretty much the
only ones who can afford it. That’s soaking the rich to you, Pablo?

Warren Buffet, who is Obama’s favorite talking point these days, infers that the capital gains rate should go from 15% to 39%. Yes, that’s soaking the investor class, which isn’t going to help the bottom end find work.

How come so many conservatives post here about how they pine for the days of 50 years ago?

–Cobra

How many of those White student do you think your silly hypothesis applies to? When did conjecture take the place of facts in your world!

INCOME TAX, Pablo. Don’t try to shy away from the question.

Cobra, don’t you ever tired of blaming your pathetic life on  Whitey?

Please cite your sources.

Poverty, while not in itself an indicator of racism, is used often as a measure of it. It can be independent of race, but when there is a CLEAR legastic, dynastic, institutional and codified tradition of racism and oppression against specific cultures, it stands to reason that poverty is directly resultant from that oppression both historical and contemporary.

So, 30-years of cheating bright students out of college seats didn’t fully, and reprehensibly meet your idea of reparations?!!

I hate Whitey!!  He’s the reason I haven’t made anything out of my life.  Blah, blah, blah.

There can be opportunity and discrimination concurrently.  Any African-American over the age of 46 lived during a time Jim Crow existed. Are you saying that Jim Crow shouldn’t have been abolished since most Blacks survived it’s existence?

–Cobra

 How about….HELL NO, race should never be considered, does that answer your question. The only thing that should matter is, absolutely NO children of illegal alien parasites should be stealing seats in our schools from legal American children….period!!  

Nope. Just used it as another example of a issue that is political hot potato no one will ever agree on. Didn’t want to thread about the subject personally. You?

The fact that Blacks and Hispanics drop out of school at more than twice the rate of Asian or White students is FACT!

  You understand that American society throughout history has placed JUST THAT TYPE of value on race, right?

  You understand that simply saying “We are all equal”, doesn’t change the effect of Centuries of a socio-economic caste system based on race, right? 

  You understand that racial discrimination in housing, lending, law enforcement, hiring/promotion, and health care still exists, right?

–Cobra
 
 

The vast majority of “Asians” on the planet live in abject poverty.

FACT.

–Cobra

The Royal Gimp is a progressive hack…….12voltman will follow up with a “like”

The Right Wing Media? Doesn’t the Liberal Press dominate? What portion of article 1, are you talking about? 

Do you see the dichotomy? 

–Cobra

It’s starts with the so-called rich and then works it’s way down.

So, who are Southern Democrats now?

So, their point doesn’t matter because you don’t like their tone. Tough cookies, $.25 off!

No, he believes in a society where people look out for their neighbors. He rightly believes that such assistance doesn’t require the federal government in the middle, mandating things.

I think they have no place in government. Outside of it, it’s freedom of association.

No more than they’d give up fraternalism, cronyism, back-scratching, old-boy’s networks, interlocking directorates or nepotism.

 That’s my bet.

–Cobra

And Gore… why didn’t you mention him? Mmmmmm… I wonder?

Because the Federal Government didn’t have its tentacles in every aspect of life.

BTW, more like 100 years ago. You know, back before progg hero Wilson segregated the federal workforce.

You probably are a racist who is tired of being reminded of it.

She’s a Democrat?

2012, so you’re against “Second Amendment remedies?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRrbNP7yY8Y

–Cobra

You’re going to think whatever you like regardless, so….

A quote by Jin_The Ninja: aka = spelling monitor.

“ A minority culture within a majority cannot be racist against the dominant culture, because they do no possess the same historical, legal or institutional power and preference the majority has”.

It’s not the minority being racist, you dolts, it’s the college setting up a racist plan that allows minorities to use “race and ethnicity”, to cheat students out of a seat who’ve achieved higher test scores! Tell me what’s right with that crap?!!

You have no idea of my political leanings due my support of one candidate. Do you want me to judge you based of everything every Democrat you supported has said or done? Could make for an interesting interpretation of your character. I am a libertarian… yes. But NO philosophy or political opinion 100% all the time. My political ideals are complicated and diverse… unlike you and your simpleton view of the world.You have to do what’s right when it’s right. And making one class better than another is wrong. But if you support institutionalized racism so be it. That’s you deal… not mine.

actually affirmative action has been to shown to support woman more than any other group and there is nothing wrong with that.

Because we want to go back to the days of slavery, right Cobra?  Whitey’s keeping me down!!  I hate Whitey!! 

Ah, so the guy behind An Inconvenient Truth is a corporate propagandist.

Have you seen the film or not?

Charter schools are not the answer, and the proof / stats largely suggest they don’t work even AS well as public schools.

Bullshit. You know why they work? They have high standards and they hold kids accountable to them. And, amazingly, kids rise to the challenge, no matter what their station in life.

How do you feel about Herman Cain, Darren?

I  hate Whitey!!  He’s the reason I can’t make anything of my life!!   Good grief man, you only play one note. 

It’s obvious you don’t have a clue what they are doing here. They want to start a dialogue.  We know how you libs hate that.

Why did you include Asians, when they are complaining about being passed over for corporate management positions despite their academic achievements?

 Bamboo Ceiling.  Google it.

–Cobra

FACT: The United States is not the entire planet. FACT: We’re talking about opportunity for so-called disadvantaged minorities in the United States. Apparently, the lib PC perception is that Asians thrive in the United States, something I still find very curious. BTW, I’m Hispanic (for whatever that’s worth).

So you have no comment on the Black Panther? Is it because you agree with him? 

They’re failing kids, wholesale. Even when they pass them, they’re failing them.

Who should you blame for shitty parenting? Whitey? The rich?

Dirt poor Asians come to America and thrive within a generation, if not sooner. Hmmmm….

Citation please.

From all accounts, rote learning and standardised testing are a failure in understanding legitimate educational techniques.

I have seen the film. And Al Gore is not progressive.
Charter Schools are a free-market approach to education. Belief in the free-market is found in high quantity in neo-liberal centrists- all the way to regressive neo-fascist righties.

The failure of education is the reliance on standardised testing, rote learning, factory-education methods that do nothing for building an informed citizenship vital to democracy.

Tatboy writes:

“You have no idea of my political leanings due my support of one candidate.”

 Which is why I wrote:

” If you believe what Ron Paul believes…”  and “apparent political leaning”

 
 All Clear?  Now, please…feel free to straighten us all out about your views on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, especially in regards to private businesses with public accommodations discriminating based on race.

–Cobra

That racism is wrong… even when liberals do it.

God Damn these muthafrakin white people.  Why don’t they just give me my check!  

Man, I hate them.  

caconservative, so you really think a 4% income tax increase is going to affect their ability to create jobs? Remember what the tax rates were for the rich back in the 50s and 60s?

Right. Everybody in the Texas choking on fumes right now should stop yelling “Fire!”  It’s no longer a fresh news story.

–Cobra

There is nothing wrong with preferential treatment of one group OVER another? Really?

Racism, sexism, and other “isms” are wrong. Even when liberals do it.

Sorry.

Or never did to start with.

–Cobra

Hi Cobra, I didn’t say anything about academic achievement being the only factor in hiring. This article and blog is about the qualifications to get into college. As far as Asians in the work force they are doing quite well there too. They are a great example of not having a victim mentality. They study hard and are succeeding. You see more in the work force daily. My ex-manager is Asian by the way. Very smart gal and she is a great manager. Why is she my ex-manager you say? Well she has been promoted twice since she was my manager and that was only 3 years ago. Seems she doesn’t need AA to succeed.

Does it matter what I think?

That seems like something you should be asking yourself, “Mrs Glenn Beck”.

His comment was directed at your racist impulse and responses to events, so you should also work on the reading comprehension skills that you seem to lack.

Keep on forking that crazy.

My point exactly! I have friends who came here from Viet Nam in the later 70s. Amazing to see how quickly they established businesses, learned the rules and culture, and thrived. Especially amazing and gratifying to talk to their kids years later. Honestly, I get tired of hearing the incessant whining from Hispanics and other follow loud-mouthed “activists” like lemmings. The Hispanic market is almost nothing like these heavily-accented caricatures we see on TV claiming to represent Hispanics. I’ve spent my entire life in that sphere. They are in many ways more conservative than your average Republican. And they DON’T want some unfair disadvantage. But some just listen to liberals who try to convince them they’re disenfranchised. No one in my family has ever felt disenfranchised in the United States. Proud to be here, proud to be given a fair opportunity.
But if the baked goods are tasty, I’d pay a buck!

The fact is the racist pro   segregationist Democrats were mostly Southerners.  So much so that they were nicknamed Dixicrats.  Besides the article was on  a bake sale perceived by many students and locals to be Racist.   I think that would the Democrats and Republicans did years, even decades before is irrelevant here. Lets stick to the subject.  Was the bake sale, if not racist in extremely insensitive , poor taste?  I believe that it was in poor taste. Yes of course they can exercise their views on affirmative action. But this way?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which you have taken Maddow’s bait on as being the litmus test of all Libertarians) is something I support. As I said no philosophy can work if taken to it’s extreme 100% of the time. Including Liberalism OR Libertarianism… I know this shocks you.

Come on man.. Maddow gave you that one gift wrapped. Can’t you come up with a new/original “gotcha” question?

That was the dumbest thing ever. It’s like me saying… You support abortion. Would you support MLK’s mom getting an abortion? Well Cobra would you? See how dumb that is?

Bull.  It had meaning until you liberals starting using it constantly.  You stated outright that any criticism of The One would be deemed racist.  I was never called a racist in my life until I came to this site and met people like you.  It’s a little strange that you call others racist when you are perhaps the most racist person I’ve ever come across. 

Me n my homeboys have started a gang where we drive around looking for honkies to jump, and we usually clean em out, if you know what Im sayin. We don’t live in California, but if we did, they would get messed up. It doesn’t matter, I was telling some of my homeboys who live over there a bit of a distortion over this: I told them that these punk ass whiteboys think  blacks and mexicans are worth less than half of a honky, and to get the word out. You gots to keep in touch…

This is fairly recent and pegs the rate at 72%.

http://tinyurl.com/6gwjaxk

Did you not know this? And do you consider yourself informed as to the problems of minority children?

Yeah, You’re Believeable………LOL

BOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grow up. The boogeyman is retired. 

You can’t Gerrymander forever baby, God bless the Voting Rights Act, soon there will be limited enclaves of whites with Minority-MAJORITIES crashing against the gates. It won’t be so long now… Multicuturalism ho!

You can’t Gerrymander forever baby, God bless the Voting Rights Act, soon there will be limited enclaves of whites with Minority-MAJORITIES crashing against the gates. It won’t be so long now… Multicuturalism ho!

OMG SHUTUP!

:o

Are you against the Second Amendment?

What does corporate management have to do with the availability of education or academic achievement?

Since i am a minority, and most probably your junior- I am informed as to OUR issues.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18263

You have your sources, but i think mine are better.

Anyone irrespective of race can apply for welfare. That is called society helping those less-fortunate- a major theme in all world religions.

Oppression is caused by the historical legacy left behind by slavery, genocide of indigenous peoples, several wars, and globalisation.

BACK AT YA

What are you talking about?  Obama wasn’t “hired”.  He got more votes than Hilary did in key primary elections.

No, he didn’t. He got more Superdelegates. You have a short and/or selective memory.

Exactly what problem do you have with “Black Panthers?”

They support the Second Amendment.
They invoke their Constitutional Rights.
They oppose intrusive big government.

 Hell, they sound like Tea Party folks, Michelle!

–Cobra

And frankly what does a statistic from a questionable source have to do with minority issues?

Not if you’re not conversing in good faith. Which, if you were, you’d have answered my original question instead of changing the subject.

Got to go that far back to indict the Dems huh?  How about the Southern Strategy or Ground Zero Mosque?  You Conservatives love a good race-baitin’!

Libtards do not like this because they are to stupid to understand what the point is.You can bring a Jackass to water but you can’t make them stop eating shit and drink water.

Tat-boy,

 Rachael Maddow?  Hello?  Just go to Ron Paul’s website.  He’s not hiding the facts about what he’s all about.

“On July 3, 2004, Ron Paul was the only Congressman to vote against a bill hailing the 40th anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
In this speech to Congress, Ron Paul courageously spoke out on the
often controversial issues of race relations and affirmative action. He
explained why the Civil Right Act had failed to achieve its stated goals
of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society.Ron Paul:
Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly
join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this
country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of
the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of
H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations
or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.
The
Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented
power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service
practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society.
The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the
rights of private property owners to use their property as they please
and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all
parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose
actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to
maintain a free society.”

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/civil-rights-act/

 Right. In Ron Paulamerica, I as a Black man should have to drink from separate fountains, be denied service at diners, ball parks and movie theaters because racism is a “property rights issue.”

Comments, Tat-boy?

–Cobra

This would be the third generation since the sixties, and the problems blacks have in our society today are not caused by racism, they are caused by the break down of the family unit, governmental programs, and by the failed leadership of the likes of Jackson and Sharpton just as NCSister said.  

Those same problems are creeping into all segments of our society as the family unit is breaking down in all of our homes and our children are growing up much too fast with too little guidance. We either don’t take the time or are no longer equipped to deal with the societal pressures our children are facing.  

Our educational system is failing, internationally our rankings are embarrassing, we are so busy pointing fingers… teenage pregnancy is up, we now see the need to teach birth control to 11 year olds, Our children are learning more of their values from pop culture and the internet than they are from the adults in their lives. The simple truth is that we are failing in our homes and the problem is a growing one. 

The statistic is the black out-of-wedlock birth rate. It’s the problem I noted and for which you asked for a cite. How does that not speak to black issues?

Perhaps you miss my point.  100% of institutionalized racism is a product of Dem policies, both now and in the past.  Got it?

Ajolily,

 Asians are “Not complaining?”  I just posted an article with links about Asians COMPLAINING that they’re being passed over for promotions and high corporate positions despite their academic achievements.
  You say this blog post is about College acceptance, but If you’re in a group makes up 25% of the Ivy League, yet 2% of Fortune 500 management, there’s a PROBLEM. The whole POINT of going to the best college is to use that degree and the prestige to leverage better entry level and promotion scenarios.

  There’s a perception running around this blog that discrimination is simply a “black-white” issue–that Blacks are “too stupid–too illegitimate–too lazy, etc”…Sorry.  That Asian-Americans are discriminated against in corporate America smacks that nonsense right away.

–Cobra

That “Kill Cracker babies” thing sort of grates. As does the paramilitary, baton wielding “poll watching”.

and now we have racial harmony and a color blind society?

Unfortunately, a lot of people want to be offended and need someone to blame for their failures.  It’s pretty sad.

Again, he doesn’t answer.  What other conclusion can we make then to assume you wouldn’t have a problem with this BP’er exercising his 2nd amendment right on poor Whitey?

wrong. mac691 is wrong as usual , and as usual, provides no proof
LOLZ

caconservative is a cowardly keyboard warrior

meh

then too many asians would boot out all the white honky americans

(canadian. i’ve seen it)

 The same way they’ve told black and brown kids for hundreds of years in America.

–Cobra

 Do you believe Black people have the right to possess firearms, Michelle?  Even those with funny hats?

–Cobra

I wouldn’t mind it.

Cobra, I never said they weren’t complaining and I never said blacks were the only minority group we are talking about. Nor have I said that blacks are “too stupid–too illegitimate–too lazy, etc”. I do however say that liberals are fostering a victim mentality among blacks which is holding them down. Please when you respond to me make sure you are responding to me or make it clear if you are responding to other bloggers.

Not sure why they’re worried about Affirmative Action anyway. Their daddy’s have six figure jobs waiting for them regardless of how poorly they do in school.

 
cjdohio writes
“and now we have racial harmony and a color blind society?”

 Never had one. Probably never will. But I’m honest about it and favor legislation that acknowledges the existence of the White Male Power Structure institutional racism and discrimination, with at least the foundation of trying to address a society built on laws detrimental to anybody who wasn’t White and male.

  Hey, if your goal is to keep all the historical and socio-economic advantages of being White in America, just be honest about it.

–Cobra

They just got over 40,000 lap tops to distribute to all the students from grades 6 through 12.  The $49.4 million dollar tab was paid for with Obama’s stash, aka the Stimulus fund.
http://www.hillsdale-econ.com/content/detroit-public-schools-are-computers-answer

The Republican party of Lincoln does not resemble the GOP of today. Hell, the GOP in thr Reagan era is liberal compared to today.The party of Lincoln went the way of the whigs.

That is what they always throw into the mix. It’s weird. It’s almost a jealously in a way.

Thank You!

How DOES it speak to black issues? B

Ajolily WROTE: “Voltman I rarely insult. You on the other hand always insult, always play the race card, always use deflection and never respond directly to the post. You also bait big time fishing for insults just so you can ding someone for an insult. It is very difficult to respond to you without insulting you. You beg for it so. Your most common post is to whine that someone has insulted you while you are busy insulting “everyone……………………………………………………………………………………………………The feeling is sadly mutual.I feel I could say the same about you.I never insult unless someone insults first. Ye who cast the first stone……..Payback is a bitch.

By showing their outrage over this event, liberals are actually proving the conservatives’ point.  Or don’t they realize that?  

They put themselves in the bizarre and indefensible position of claiming that cookies priced on the basis of skin color are racist — but making decisions on college admission on the basis of skin
color isn’t?   So color-based decisions are morally wrong in tiny matters, but become right when applied to huge matter?  Huh? 

Anyone who wants evidence that liberalism requires putting your critical thinking skills on “sleep mode” need merely to look to Berkeley for irrefutable proof.

A well thought out message. Really! I don’t agree with all of what you wrote but point taken. Particularly some of what you wrote the last two pharagraphs. So, (I’m not being a smart ass) What is your solution? Please be serious.

Oh good grief.  At university  30 years ago we did this same exact stunt as part of a sociology class experiment.  About the only difference now is there is much more political correctness exists these days and our prices were a buck lower. 

Of course I do.  This guy was threatening someone and you seem unwilling to decry it. Perhaps because you agree he has the right.  Based on your past comments, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you did.

The bake sale was in bad taste then as it is now.I believe they have a right to have this sideshow. But it’s just to get some press.

Just about how you’d think! ‘Around in Circles!’

And to ‘many’ it still remains….research, research there friend…it still exist, let me start you on your way with this……www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382011n…im hoping you’re not blind to that!

‘Mostly how its used’ is always in the eyes of the beholder….. however, im sure that there are those that would disagree even when smacked in the face with it!

Fox News must have sponsored and set the prices or the Republicon bake sale!!

I think Asians should be charged more than whites. Asians seem to do too well in our society.

Voltman, Payback is a bitch and so is thin skin. Quite whining you deserve every insult you get.

Just because you say something shithouse crazy, ignorant, uninformed and stupid, it doesn’t make it true.  Get your facts somewhere other than Glenn Beck’s butthole.

Conservatives love to act like bigots, then come up with some convoluted way to dismiss their racism.  These are the people who condemn islam based on broad generalizations, then cry when people talk about the Tea Party.  They tend to cry a lot.

Is that what they call corruption now? And it’s ok in the private sector?

I have a feeling I get under your thin skin.

I’m sorry, I can’t help but reply to that remark. Small thoughts indeed!

Quite the contrary they don’t want to start a dialogue, they want to give the bigotry a national headline. they are republicans they are’nt interested in conversation, they are interested in confrontation. I know exactly what they are doing.

Do you NOT get the irony of the bake sale prices (and YOUR indignation)?

The prices (alone Racial Lines) is meant to illustrate the ADMISSIONS BY RACE criteria (and how RACIST THAT IS)!

WHY is it PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE (to you and U.C. Berkley) to even CONSIDER RACE in deciding who has the academic aptitude for higher learning, and who does not (or to a LESSER DEGREE).

CLEARLY, there are OUTSTANDING/BRILLIANT people of ALL ethnicities, gender and sexual orientation – but they are outstanding and brilliant NOT BECAUSE of their ethnicity, gender and/or sexual orientation – therefore, their admission to institutions of Higher Learning should NOT even be a minute factor in the section process!

This Race-Based ADMISSIONS PROCESS is NO LESS OFFENSIVE than the Race-Based cookie pricing!

THAT, my keyboard-layout named friend, is THE REASON for the bake sale!

I AM glad that you are upset about the bake sale…  NOW, if we could just get you to see the OTHER HALF of the equation, the world would be a better place!

Progressives are stuck in the 5th century, where everyone derives their identity from the “Tribe”.
They are Tribalists, or in today’s vernacular, RACISTS!

No, you and I both know that conservative opinions are not what is failing them.

What’s failing them is that their fathers are making them and then making tracks.

Not really, spaceodd. You liberals want to feed, house, clothe, and medicate all the poor to the point they have become dependent on your handouts. Not really humane, more a control issue. Then you tell them who to vote for to keep the gravy train running.

Looks to me like you are the racists.

Gotta love College Republicans. Always using racism and homophobia to get attention.

I don’t think they can even see that which is in front of them. You give too much credit.

Learn how to contribute to the discussion, or get the hell out libtard.

Actually the democrats have controlled the country’s finances for quite some time now, so blame someone else. How about democrats like Frank, Dodd, Reid, Pelosi and Obama?

Look who is talking – Dullo.

It makes them only more so.

For you to be a bloody pain in the ass? I didn’t know you ever quit.

So now you are willing to admit you were wrong about Bush?

Liberals will always take money for political favors. That is not affirmative action.

Jin been hitting the Gin?

Why is everyone missing the whole point of the “bake sale” ? It is to point out that the college is doing entrance/scholarship/tuition the same way – based on race. They are trying to bring attention to it. If you can’t discriminated by race then the school should not be allowed to do it.

Oh i’d thought i’d help some people get their fact straight. You facts? something t-bags don’t really understand.

Actually I KNOW conservative and neo-liberal views on education ARE what is failing kids in america.

I won’t even pretend to understand your last sentence. More inerudite rightie nonsense.

caconservative writes:

“So, 30-years of cheating bright students out of college seats didn’t
fully, and reprehensibly meet your idea of reparations?!!”

 Typical White Conservative sense of entitlement. Those college seats were reserved for Whites only (preferably heterosexual, Christian Males of good stock with suitably anglicized surnames.)

–Cobra

tatboy couldnt reply to you for some reason, there is nothing wrong with a policy that enable women to get equal treatment and allowed them to enter law school, med school, and other professions, and the right wonders why they have problem with the “women vote” as they put it.

Dispute anything I wrote with facts. ANYTHING. Surprise me.  I mean, I think I understand why you have a problem with outspoken Black folks like me.

““From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the
doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders,
that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the
Gospel.”  (Letter of LDS First Presidency to Dr. Lowery Nelson, July
17, 1947, quoted in Mormonism and the Negro, pages 42 and 43)”

http://www.mormonoutreach.org/topics/Mormonism%20Anti-Black%20Doctrine%20Pt1.html

 I get you, Michelle. You don’t have a problem with me playing “one note.”  You’re just upset I’m playing a black key.

–Cobra

Yeah, lots of MIDDLE AND UPPER CLASS Asians immigrated here. Many have done well. Many have NOT.  Many have, as I have cited, fill Ivy League classes (only to be rebuffed in White corporate America by the bamboo ceiling).  Many join street gangs, syndicates and criminal activities. (Hmong, Asian street gangs)  For every engineer there’s at least two or three others doing blue collar jobs in the service industry, so don’t play this “Asians are the model minority” song, when you all know the music stops when White Male Corporate job security is in question.

–Cobra

How was that heathen son of Ham threatening anybody?  By standing there? Wearing a funny hat? He didn’t even have a gun like your Minutemen heroes in the Southwest.   No no….”Standing While Black” is an outrageous act that must be punished!!!

–Cobra

This is actually mild for College Republicans.

College Republicans Host Game Searching for Illegal Immigrants
http://www.lsureveille.com/news/college-republicans-host-game-searching-for-illegal-immigrants-1.1177442#.ToFiHOwbX_8

Penn State’s College Republicans–KKK costumes and racist pics
http://live.psu.edu/story/4932

I’m surprised the CR’s are Berkeley got this much attention without resorting to blackface minstrelsy.

–Cobra

If CA is considering favoring white men first that would be wrong.

Why drag your weekends into it?

….Who then basically switched to what Democrats are now. Many Republicans stopped bring Republicans after that.

so, are black people going to keep pointing to the past, or move forward? 

@f07f619d0dd25accd60e781fe37d6f1e:disqus   ”Pablo” : This is called sarcasm. It is sarcastic because the people crying “reverse racism” or at least their culture does,of actively seeking the denigration,marginalization and general “second class” citizenship treatment of more notably African Americans,but of many non-white peoples as well.      So,in a system where essentially one type of people has made and regulated the rules for most of its existence,you will see things like these moronic bake sale morsels made by uninformed college students who have no clue of what it is to be discriminated against.
    When you have had generations of your ancestors,many generations, beaten(just happened in the South,about a month ago),raped,lynched and intimidated in many other ways,it’s really hard for the perpetrators of the atrocities to cry foul as well as those who uphold it’s mores to cry reverse racism.
   These students are already in college. If it is truly not a big deal,it seems they wouldn’t even care who got in or why,but that they would be focused on their education.

Because, if you will scroll upward, we were discussing children and why they fail in school – parental guidance is a huge factor. When you have 72% of black children raised without their father, you have a problem. 

According to Children-our investment.org, homes without fathers ultimately affect children in numerous tragic ways:    * 63 percent of youth suicides are from fatherless homes
    * 90 percent of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
    * 85 percent of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes
    * 80 percent of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes
    * 71 percent of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes
    * 75 percent of all adolescent patients in chemical-abuse centers come from fatherless homes
    * 85 percent of all youths in prison come from fatherless homesThese statistics apply to African-American homes in disproportionate numbers. Compared with the 72 percent in our communities, 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall U.S. population was 41 percent.

ROFL nice try troll!

Mexicans and Blacks teens are never united..look at the californian or LA youth gang violence and you’ll know..

You should be ashamed of yourself not knowing about your country’s race relations more than a non-american.
 

so, two wrongs make a right? because horrible things happened in the past, we should continue them in the future? 

sad you think so poorly of black people. 

so, just cuz you’re white, you’re rich? 

would you rather not have the kid allowed in under legacy, or the new library? 

people want to act like all whites are evil and get everything handed to them, but (the white and black) people that donate libraries are contributing to the education of the entire school. they also give out scholarships, and own companies that employ all those kids that get out of those universities. 

Oprah had a perfect opportunity to help out minority students in the US, but she chose to set up a school in Africa. Why? Because she was sick and tired of trying to help African American kids in the US, because all they ever wanted were $150 sneakers and iPods. Although, she did set up that awesome scholarship program at Morehouse.

There are quite a few extremely wealthy African Americans that I can think of, that have the same message. Quit talking about race, get off your butt, quit using race and the past as an excuse and do something, or as Karen Hunter wrote, “Stop Being Niggardly”.

12voltman1 17 hours ago in reply to 12voltman1
Students starting at a disadvantage need a boost.,Diversity is desirable.

If a kid starts out white, and is overlooked for minority kids with lower GPAs, isn’t he starting out at a disadvantage? And if he is poor and white, and can’t get a scholarship because the scholarships are going to minority kids, even though he has better grades, isn’t he starting out at a disadvantage?

If you want to give minority kids a boost, don’t contribute to the 72% fatherless home statistic. Break the cycle of welfare dependency, and unwed motherhood.

As a non-american observing this from the outside, I think a middle ground can be reached for both liberals and conservatives.

We need to find out what made affirmative action work so well for white women and implement that for the black americans to help reduce their unemployment.

If we implement affirmative action based on social economic status, it won’t change anything for black americans as that would mean more poor white males will be hired.

I would suggest cutting off all other minorities from affirmative action(women/white women, hispanic, native american + asian) as they don’t seem to do as bad as black americans.

Make affirmative action for black americans(not applicable for african immigrants) only and I strongly believe we would see some improvement in their current economic situation.

Did I say that? No, I said times have changed.It’s time for you to realize that. 

If there weren’t intelligent people of color vying for spots in college there would be no need Affirmative Action. 

Well isn’t that basically what it comes down to – whites pay more than other ethnic groups.  Isn’t that a nice way to spread the wealth around. I like it.  So just how much would a bi-racial individual have to pay, say half white/half black -would their cost be $1.75 for their baked goods.  Whatever, whether it is .25 cents or $2.00 it sure as hell beats paying $16.00 for 1 muffin, which by the way is laced with what illegal crug exactly – gotta be laced with something at that outrageous price?

How is it racist? That’s exactly what Affirmative-Action does! It favors one group over another! My sister is a college adviser so she knows first hand that if you promote a client’s “diversity” you have a greater chance of getting him accepted into college. 

You should be ashamed that Asians are considered some of the most racist people on the planet. It wouldn’t suprise me that you are obsessed with race in countries that are not even your own.

Actually that “South East Asian” guy might agree with you…

Who the hell cares about accurate race relations in a joke, what a complete tool. Oh yeah maybe persons who tend to have sticks up their butt, a group of persons who shall remain nameless.

If you had any reading comprehension skills, you will see no mention of my race nor the people I was talking about. Good job with them ASSumptions, that really worked out for you.

I live in the first world baby, race relations to me involve “rolling” my window up in a bad neighborhood and increasing speed. Time for that lazy American drug-doing we all enjoy!

BTW, do they still call it rolling the window up, they dont even have those things anymore…

The problem is that those who can’t compete as well now can scream discrimination and be awarded a head start, or another chance, or no one to compete against them.  Everyone will be the same height if we pick the shortest people and cut off the legs of all those who are taller…..WE can have free gender benders, skin tints, accent tongues, etc  to create a totally equal playing field, except for the brains, that don’t know the discriminatory factors.  Maybe programmed inserts, like heart pacers, to control the amount of brainiatracs permissible???  lol

Yes, Sara. Black men used to earn .53 cents to a White man’s dollar.  Now we’re up to .77.
Times have changed.

–Cobra

 We can point to present as well. You know I’m good at that, Sara.  What I don’t hear from either you, or other conservatives here is an ADMISSION that anti-minority discrimination still exists, no matter what documentation myself or others post as evidence. 

 The thinly veiled message is always– “Life ain’t fair. Shut up and support the system that’s always kept White people like me on top.”

 Tell me where that assumption is mistaken on my part.

–Cobra

 I never said they’ve STOPPED saying that to Black and Brown kids (and adults).  You seem to have a selective outrage when it’s said to the relatively FEW Whites affected by Affirmative Action. Case in point,  Berkeley’s student body is currently 1.5% African-American.

 And what’s your definition of “right and wrong” anyway, Sara?  You can’t possibly find a whole lot of “right” in American History if you think a few White students being wait-listed at their first choice of college is “horrible.”

–Cobra

 You don’t see the dichotomy.  The great “evil” that you keep referring to regarding Affirmative Action and admissions is that you believe a deserving student is being denied based upon the policy.  Legacies would deny that same student that opportunity, but you’re not outraged by it, at least not here.  The end result is precisely the same.

Donations are often ego-boosting tax write-offs.

–Cobra

 You don’t need a whole lot of research to find out why White Women get hired and promoted at mostly White owned/run companies.

–Cobra

Typical troll just trying to aggravate the situation instead of solving it..

Possibly because the country was in much better shape then and EVERYONE was proud to be an American. 

How very sad for you if you really believe that.  It means you pay no attention to the news and listen only to those who make you feel better about your shortcomings and inferiority complex.

LOL!!  You’re right…I’m extremely comfortable with my stance and views of racism.  It’s a fallback argument with absolutely no meaning anymore.  The boy cried WOLF too many times where there was no wolf there.  Who do you think, other than ignorant people, really believes that anymore?

Actually, the diseases of poverty are directly related to social and historical traumas. For someone who “advocates education” your entire thesis is flawed, and if i were grading your paper, those citations from right wing sources are unacceptable.

Ah, a comment from the party of people who accepted the racists with open arms when they left the “D” party. Jesse Helms was a believed member of whose party?

Conservatives voted “D” until the 70′s. Now conservatives vote “R” for the same tribal reasons

Won’t someone look out for oppressed white people?

Lord, set my people free!

The poor should kept poor so you can feel good.

Awesome! This a-hole really proclaims there is no racism on a forum thread where about a bunch of privileged white kids whine about racism.

It’s an accomplishment, but you may be the dumbest conservative on this thread

The 90% white party is the only one with balls to talk about the real problems in America: the plight ofnthe poor white man. Excellent analysis, mark

Ah, stalking someone else. How sweet

Or, maybe you could just go to Red State?

Pablo doesn’t get sarcasm, but he does get how hard it is to be a white Glenn beck fan in this oppressive country.

09/26/2011