But how can we tax the job creators and create jobs? That certainly didn’t work in the 50′s, 60′s, or 70′s when their marginal rates were well above 50%. America was going down the shltter. Then Reagan came along, and America has been fine ever since, til Hussein. Duh!

Bill Maher’s only ‘true’ skill is leaving out that part of the discussion which would reverse his pre-determined conclusions.
But you’ve got to give him credit in this case; only Maher & Nancy Grace can keep that act up.
Hmmm., now there would be a nice couple. Bill Maher & Nancy Grace.
I wonder who would blow he other’s head off first.

I know Bill’s a lib and a bomb thrower, sorry, “comedian” when its convenient, but I wouldn’t think he’d so obviously and conveniently ignore the fact hat the tax break for those evil scum sucking corporate jet owners were SUSTAINED by Obama in the alleged job’s creating stimulus bill.

6.8 percent unemployment was where we were supposed to be right?

“Yes, Republican base, you are just like that jury. It is pathetically clear who’s killing the middle class, but you keep letting them get away with murder.”

So essentially, he’s saying that HE’S killing the middle class, because he’s one of those rich guys who evidently “stopped paying taxes?”

That’s some odd logic there, Bill. You blame yourself for killing the middle class, but won’t do anything about it until the government makes you? What’s that about?

Genius. The problem is no matter how many different ways he breaks it down teabaggers, republicans, and cons will gladly help the people robbing them blind and do it with a smile on their face thinking they are being patriotic in the process. Bill is 100% correct. I can understand the top two or three percent voting republican because their whole agenda is geared toward making this group richer, but any average working person that votes republican is a complete dumbass.

It’s actually so simple and the Republicans don’t get it. I just want to know how long will it take before they do get it??

If you are a progressive, I imagine you think Bill’s monologue was simply brilliant.

If you are a Republican and neither wealthy nor a Christian Conservative, I have to ask why do you vote for and continue to support these corporate puppets in congress and what was it Maher said that you found you disagree with … and why is his rhetoric not responsive to the needs of the middle class?

By the way, for those who ask, “How can we tax the job creators and create jobs?” I say, let’s use that money from taxing the super wealthy a few additional percentage points to actually create jobs and/or stiffle the layoffs of public servants including police, fire, paramedics and teachers..

The idea that tax cuts for the super welathy create jobs is an idea that did not work in the eight Bush years and two Obama years (10 years worth of real economic data and I say its safe to say tax cuts are not job creators).

Corporations are holding billions in cash. Taxes have been vetoed or stymied for a decade. Yet, the so-called “job creators” are standing on the sidelines collecting huge profits, while middle class income continues to decline.

This may have ‘seemed’ like a good policy during the Reagan years, but that is no longer the case – primarily due to out sourcing to countries like India and China along with the severe decline in the manufacturing sector.

So what are your explanations for the fact that taxes on the rich used to be higher?

And I thought if we kept the Bush tax cuts it’d create jobs… but jobs have gone down because of it… so Republicans have lost jobs while being in charge of the house.

So you were all wrong that the Bush Tax Cuts were necessary… I wonder what else theTea Tards are wrong about…

How simple minded has this country become? So a single thing like that is responsible for all the money problems in the country eh.

You gotta love how the liberals in the media are desperately trying to blame this bad economy on Republicans, when Democrats have been in charge since 2006.

You gotta love how the liberals in the media are desperately trying to blame this bad economy on Republicans, when Democrats have been in charge since 2006.

Snowspot said:
So what are your explanations for the fact that taxes on the rich used to be higher?

And I thought if we kept the Bush tax cuts it’d create jobs… but jobs have gone down because of it… so Republicans have lost jobs while being in charge of the house.

So you were all wrong that the Bush Tax Cuts were necessary… I wonder what else theTea Tards are wrong about…

They are the Obama tax cuts now. he signed them in to law. You know that right?

Kind of like Matthews calling republicans “terrorists” and “suicide bombers”; these lefties stick together with their meaningless attacks on the right. They are so foolish and yet this stuff just gets eaten up here at mediaite.

Gun running….anyone know about that story?

Snowspot said:
So what are your explanations for the fact that taxes on the rich used to be higher?

Wetspot, now we know why you are stupid. When the tax rate for the “rich” was 90% no one paid it. The dems always made sure there were all kinds of loopholes for the rich. LOOK it up stupid.

YOU have to be really dumb if you think anyone would live in a country where they pay 90% of the money they earn to the government. Ask the Beatles.

If you’re dumb enough to think that the union is your friend , you are a liberal .

Union gangsters take a cut of every union member’s salary and do what they please with it .

Class warfare is all the Dems have , and it only works on the dumbest liberal .

Desperation ensues .

I’d sure like to see Bill Mahers’ completed tax return. You think he files a 1040 EZ and writes a check? Or does he have an army of accountants and 12 pages of deductions to protect the millions of dollars he makes per year?

Yeah, those mean old rich repubs…..

Michael_T said:
If you are a Republican and neither wealthy nor a Christian Conservative, I have to ask why do you vote for and continue to support these corporate puppets in congress and what was it Maher said that you found you disagree with …

Corporate Puppets? Like Barack Obama? Like Joe Biden (The Senator from MBNA)? Like Chuck Schumer? Like Chris Dodd (who was finally so completely exposed that his shame barrier was broken)? Like Harry Reid?

Bill got it backwards.
Our problem is not that the rich do not pay their taxes it is that there are so many govt. dependents who do not pay any taxes at all.
They only receive tax money.

Any tax money collected from some rich guy who got soaked by the IRS will quickly go to welfare and food stamp land where it will die and never be useful again.

“Yes, Republican base, you are just like that jury. It is pathetically clear who’s killing the middle class, but you keep letting them get away with murder.”

That would be millionaire bastards like…Bill Maher, right? I say we roll him.

I equate Bill Maher with a large bag of dog squeeze.

NeoKong said:
Bill got it backwards.Our problem is not that the rich do not pay their taxes it is that there are so many govt. dependents who do not pay any taxes at all.They only receive tax money. Any tax money collected from some rich guy who got soaked by the IRS will quickly go to welfare and food stamp land where it will die and never be useful again.

These guys (Maher etal) never mention almost 50% of the population don’t pay a dime in federal income tax, and even get money back. courtesy of those that DO pay federal income tax.

You want to call Mahers bluff? Tell him to forgo any deductions and simply hand over half of his annual income to the Feds…All these millionaires that are calling for an increase in their own taxes would STFU immediately if they had NO DEDUCTIONS whatsoever and simply had to fork over half of their income. They know damn well the feds can raise their “tax rate percentage” to 50% but with deductions theor true rate will be more like 15%, that’s why it’s all lip service.

gordonbloyershow said:
YOU have to be really dumb if you think anyone would live in a country where they pay 90% of the money they earn to the government. Ask the Beatles.

90%? The effective tax rate for most major corporations is less than 20%, lowest in like 60 years.

valkyrie101 said:
90%? The effective tax rate for most major corporations is less than 20%, lowest in like 60 years.

I think he was referring to Great Britain.

The Lantern of Truth said:
Union gangsters take a cut of every union member’s salary and do what they please with it .

While CEOs earn up 100 million a year is salary.

oops, “in”

valkyrie101 said:
While CEOs earn up 100 million a year is salary.

Why do you guys insist on beating such a ridiculous horse to death over and over. How many CEO’s in America make over $100 million a year, or over $10 million for that matter, like 10? Maybe 20? Jesus what a stupid example of class warfare. If we just take those earning 100 million out and shoot them would that set your world straight?

Get the fu*k over it already.

The Lantern of Truth said:
Class warfare is all the Dems have , and it only works on the dumbest liberal .
.

valkyrie101 said:
While CEOs earn up 100 million a year is salary.

Yes , it works on some .

Rich people can vote with their feet, Billy. They can up and leave and thus ‘not pay taxes.’ Ask this greaseball monkey why Obamo was against raising the debt ceiling before he was for it…any answer, Billy? Why is raising the debt ceiling so important to do now, if it was precisely the WRONG thing to do under Bush?

In any event, Leftist Media Hacks like Billy the Greaseball have given up on ‘jobs’ being the issue, even though the American People have NOT given up on that being the issue. These Hacks want the deficit to be the issue, not unemployment.

It’s a beautiful thing knowing that we have Obamo by the short hairs…and all his media breast-feeders, too.

Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge said:
You gotta love how the liberals in the media are desperately trying to blame this bad economy on Republicans, when Democrats have been in charge since 2006.

I love this sort of stoopidity. That’s right, your statement is so insane it warrants a new spelling.
You do know that the current speaker of the House has been there a very long time, Lets blame him instead.
Congress is the money changer in this spectator theocracy or I am wrong?

Mr. Mahr, I’m very sorry, but you are wrong. This trial was just a sample of the greater sickness that long ago took over this country. This country breeds psychos like a pond breeds scum. If you don’t believe me, just read comments section of this fine Website.

Let’s stop calling this” the home of the free and land of the brave” and call it what it really is… the home of the greedy and stupid.

I’m just sick of the premise. Like there is a hedge fund manager out there who says “Well, I was planning on starting a chain of auto parts stores, but since you started talking about taxing me at Clinton era levels, I’m totally not going to do that now.”

No you weren’t. Shut the hell up. These guys don’t “create jobs.” They buy homes for their children as tax write offs, or they invest in the latest Enron. And if they aren’t hiring, even after bailouts and tax breaks, then they should get taxed. Talk to me about tax breaks once you start putting Americans on your payrolls. Until then, pony the hell up. I’m sick to death of people loving America right up to the point where it’s time to pay for it, and then they throw a diaper filling hissy fit.

There are only 10.5 million people that make over a million dollars a year in the U.S.. Look it up.
If you took all their money what part of 14 trillion will they reduce?

CEO pay went up an average of 23 percent in 2010, while wages for rest of us rose a meager one-half-percent, according to a new report prepared for the New York Times – taxing the Forbes 500 top executives more will not eliminate the deficite but it is a start. Every analysis out there has shown that the real culprit in the debt has been the Bush tax cuts. Get your head out of the sand, America. Vote these back stapping Republicans out of office.

The Lantern of Truth said:
Yes , it works on some .

Class warfare? The class warfare is what Wall Street and all of big business has done to the middle class, you idiot. What is really funny is that conservatives are all against “big government” but all for “big business.” Now let’s see, government is guided by rules of law and big business doesn’t want any rules. Hmmm… Which one do you think will be working in the best interest of the common good of the country or will be working for their own self interests? That’s a real tough one for some of you out there.

timzank said:
Why do you guys insist on beating such a ridiculous horse to death over and over. How many CEO’s in America make over $100 million a year, or over $10 million for that matter, like 10? Maybe 20? Jesus what a stupid example of class warfare. If we just take those earning 100 million out and shoot them would that set your world straight? Get the fu*k over it already.

So you are good with large CEO, and corporate executive salaries? In 2010, Standard & Poor’s 500 Index company CEOs received, on average, $11.4 million in total compensation.

Republicans Are Liars said:
Every analysis out there has shown that the real culprit in the debt has been the Bush tax cuts.

Spending? Pshaw! BOOOOSSSSSH!

(BTW, those are the Obama tax cuts now.)

valkyrie101 said:
So you are good with large CEO, and corporate executive salaries? In 2010, Standard & Poor’s 500 Index company CEOs received, on average, $11.4 million in total compensation.

Given that I’m not paying them, yup.

gordonbloyershow said:
There are only 10.5 million people that make over a million dollars a year in the U.S.. Look it up.If you took all their money what part of 14 trillion will they reduce?

Oh Yes, Gordon you are so right. It took 10 years to get to this debt. Erasing it over night is the only cure. Thank you for being another idiot who wants to throw us deeper into the recession. Let’s take a trillion dollars out of the economy tomorrow. How many people will be thrown out of work. Do any of you conservatives ever really think beyond the next 24 hours?

Pablo said:
Spending? Pshaw! BOOOOSSSSSH! (BTW, those are the Obama tax cuts now.)

Another in a long line of brilliant comments, Pablo. Are you really this stupid? You are laughable. How can these be the Obama tax cuts when he wanted to end them but Boehner and the Teadiots wouldn’t let him? My gosh dude, how stupid can you get?

timzank said:
These guys (Maher etal) never mention almost 50% of the population don’t pay a dime in federal income tax, and even get money back. courtesy of those that DO pay federal income tax.

50% of the population doesn’t pay taxes? they are probably the ones that destroyed the economy. they probably took the money they saved from taxes and went out to buy jets and yachts. maybe they even bought derivatives payable if they stop making payments of their mortgages. i bet if we just tax these 50% we can pay off the deficit and maybe start another war or two.
your a genius timzank.

Republicans Are Liars said:
Oh Yes, Gordon you are so right. It took 10 years to get to this debt. Erasing it over night is the only cure. Thank you for being another idiot who wants to throw us deeper into the recession. Let’s take a trillion dollars out of the economy tomorrow. How many people will be thrown out of work. Do any of you conservatives ever really think beyond the next 24 hours?

it took a lot longer than ten years to get this debt

Wow does anybody actually moderate these comment threads?they all go way out of control and off topic about 3 minutes after the article is posted.

Makes you people look stupid…

Maher would equate anything that drew public disapproval to replublicans,it’s part of his act.He’s all about the money and he decided a long time ago to go anti republican/conservative as a selling point to his show.

what Maher doesn’t realize is that the Anthony verdict was the judicial system working at it’s best and as it should.

Someone did not go to prison because there was not enough evidence to prove that person had done what she was accused and charged of.That is the definition of justice,a definition that isn’t “I think she did it because I don’t like her so fry her”.

Republicans should wish they were as perfect as that.So should Democrats.Neither come close,they just do what they think is best for them regardless of the outcome.

As I leave this thread to the anarchy of this site,which is too bad and doesn’t have to be that way,I leave with this comment.

these off topic arguements that eat up all the comment threads are for nobody but the commenters,nobody else cares what you think,only you do and nobody else is paying any attention.You could shout at yourself in the mirror and accomplish more.

Republicans Are Liars said:
The class warfare is what Wall Street and all of big business has done to the middle class, you idiot

Republicans Are Liars said:
wages for rest of us rose a meager one-half-percent,

NyQuill said:
I’m sick to death

Dems are the jealous , professional victims who are not content unless they are whining and droning on about how someone might be doing better than they are .

There’s equal oportunity for all , but there can never be equal outcome .

Pablo said:
Given that I’m not paying them, yup.

You are paying them, through inflation.

The Lantern of Truth said:
There’s equal oportunity for all

You’re sure about that?

If you took every dime from every rich person and gave it to those out of work, it wouldn’t create one job. As long as people in third world countries will work for so little, our corporations will keep sending the work there. And it isn’t just Republicans. Remember Clinton and NAFTA? With Bill telling us that jobs going to other countries would be a good thing?

The Lantern of Truth said:

Dems are the jealous , professional victims who are not content unless they are whining and droning on about how someone might be doing better than they are . There’s equal oportunity for all , but there can never be equal outcome .

You whinnng idiot… How many jobs have you created? Tell me? I am a businessman and create jobs. I don’t whine about paying taxes. You’re the whinning victim of not having a clue. Do you have a degree in anything? I guarantee I am doing better than you. Please note I only mention to let you know how false your premise is.

Republicans Are Liars said:
Dems are the jealous , professional victims who are not content unless they are whining and droning on about how someone might be doing better than they are . There’s equal oportunity for all , but there can never be equal outcome . You whinnng idiot… How many jobs have you created? Tell me? I am a businessman and create jobs. I don’t whine about paying taxes. You’re the whinning victim of not having a clue. Do you have a degree in anything? I guarantee I am doing better than you. Please note I only mention to let you know how false your premise is.

then send in more money to the government, nothing is stopping you

NeoKong said:
Bill got it backwards.
Our problem is not that the rich do not pay their taxes it is that there are so many govt. dependents who do not pay any taxes at all.
They only receive tax money.

Any tax money collected from some rich guy who got soaked by the IRS will quickly go to welfare and food stamp land where it will die and never be useful again.

another one of the useful idiots bill was talking about. are you that oblivious to the people who have to decide if they will spend money on groceries or their heating bill. so which is it? heartless or oblivious?

Republicans Are Liars said:
I am a businessman and create jobs.

Republicans Are Liars said:
I don’t whine about paying taxes

Republicans Are Liars said:
I guarantee I am doing better than you

Mr. Johnson called . He said if don’t quit throwing the newspaper in the bushes , you’re not getting a tip at Christmas .

So , quit ” whinning ” and conduct your ” business ” properly , young man .

Go ahead and tax the hell out of the rich. They’ll just move somewhere else. And China will still keep producing most of our goods. Neither Dems nor Republicans are dealing with that.

Perdido said:
o ahead and tax the hell out of the rich

Most progressives would be fine with a return to Reagan levels.

NyQuill said:
I’m just sick of the premise. Like there is a hedge fund manager out there who says “Well, I was planning on starting a chain of auto parts stores, but since you started talking about taxing me at Clinton era levels, I’m totally not going to do that now.”

No you weren’t. Shut the hell up. These guys don’t “create jobs.” They buy homes for their children as tax write offs, or they invest in the latest Enron. And if they aren’t hiring, even after bailouts and tax breaks, then they should get taxed. Talk to me about tax breaks once you start putting Americans on your payrolls. Until then, pony the hell up. I’m sick to death of people loving America right up to the point where it’s time to pay for it, and then they throw a diaper filling hissy fit.

they don’t create jobs – and raising the tax level would not make the hedge fund manager pay any more taxes. You don’t seem to understand who creates jobs.

….but you also don’t give them a refund when they buy stock that tanks – they are risk takers and some make a fortune and some lose a fortune. There are no sure things in their world.

So, you can take chances like they do – and either lose what you’ve got or multiply it.

As for corporate heads – they are paid by their performance. They are also dismissed for lack of performance.
The share holders are the ones who decide their worth.

Jealousy of people who have more than you do is juvenile. Obama and his men are promoting a caste system.
People came to America because of the caste system, that they didn’t like.

The funny thing is that Obama “made” it and yet he pontificates ad nauseum about the haves – he’s one of them.
You don’t see the hypocrisy in that?

You don’t have a problem with Charlie Rangel, a life long government “employee” who managed to amass a fortune, by not paying taxes, by taking advantage of programs put in place to help New Yorkers deal with exorbitant rental rates. That’s how Charlie made it – on our dime. The only risk he took (doing shady dealings) got him no jail time (which he should have received) but that’s o.k. and he got a pass. Hypocrites the lot of you.

dhg said:
Wow does anybody actually moderate these comment threads?they all go way out of control and off topic about 3 minutes after the article is posted.

Makes you people look stupid…

Maher would equate anything that drew public disapproval to replublicans,it’s part of his act.He’s all about the money and he decided a long time ago to go anti republican/conservative as a selling point to his show.

what Maher doesn’t realize is that the Anthony verdict was the judicial system working at it’s best and as it should.

it must be nice and quiet being all by yourself in clueless land. you see, maher made a metaphor (or did he use ‘like’ or ‘as’) to compare what he thought was a stupid and heartless verdict on that slut anthony and used it to describe what republicans are doing to the safety and security of this country.
next time you enter something and you are the only person who is different, it doesn’t always mean you are a unique person.

valkyrie101 said:
So you are good with large CEO, and corporate executive salaries? In 2010, Standard & Poor’s 500 Index company CEOs received, on average, $11.4 million in total compensation.

If they don’t produce they will be fired, just like any private sector worker (non-union), production is the individuals responsibility. Most if not all of these companies are publicly traded and their shareholders don’t seem to mind that the salaries are “too high”.

Bernanke and Hermey the Tax Cheat Elf Tres. Sec are going to make us all millionaires with their bizzaro Zimbabwe style monetary policy.

So when you are making 10M/annum and a loaf of bread costs $112, we can talk about top to bottom class warfare again.

Commodities anyone?

valkyrie101 said:
You are paying them, through inflation.

wtf? CEO’s had nothing at all to do with inflation. The inflation we are seeing is a product of Obama and the Dem’s refusing to allow energy development. Increased energy cost is included in every product on the shelf, its driving Food costs up too. Second, the Fed Policy of ‘Quantitative Easing’ or Printing money because you can, is the other cause of Inflation, and Obama is cool with that too…the rest of us. Not so much.

Inflation? It aint CEO’s, its a direct result of Government Policy.

Danneskjold_Ragnar said:

Bernanke and Hermey the Tax Cheat Elf Tres. Sec are going to make us all millionaires with their bizzaro Zimbabwe style monetary policy.

So when you are making 10M/annum and a loaf of bread costs $112, we can talk about top to bottom class warfare again.

Commodities anyone?

When it is more frugal to use US dollars than toilet paper purchased with US dollars, will we then concede that these people are incompetant at best, and more realistically trying to destroy the country?

valkyrie, do we quit dealing with China whenever a Democrat is in the White House? Do all the jobs return here when Democrats control congress? Saying that just one party is responsible is stupid. They’ve both allowed this to happen. And we all want our cheap goods. They’re cheaper because a person in China is willing to earn in a month what an American earns in an hour. Both parties need to work on how to deal with that.

Perdido said:
valkyrie, do we quit dealing with China whenever a Democrat is in the White House? Do all the jobs return here when Democrats control congress? Saying that just one party is responsible is stupid. They’ve both allowed this to happen. And we all want our cheap goods. They’re cheaper because a person in China is willing to earn in a month what an American earns in an hour. Both parties need to work on how to deal with that.

Of course no one party is responsible. And dealing with China is fine, except, there must be balance so that our own economy, traditionally the golden goose of the world economy, does not crash and burn.

this goes of someone elses comment on the relationship of tax cuts and job creation. there has to be a reason that bush, with the bush tax cuts that are supposed to create jobs, bush was the worst president when it came to job creation…well, the worst since hoover.
the bush tax cuts were when? 03?

Despite the job gains in March 2004, the Bush administration’s labor market record still remains the worst since the Hoover administration, even if employment growth persists at the rate of job creation in March. The record of the Bush administration on job creation is so bad that even if the economy produces 308,000 new jobs ever month between now and January 2005 employment will have grown by only 0.9 percent, less than two thirds the rate of growth of the second Eisenhower administration which was previously the worst administration since President Hoover in job creation.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/04/b43958.html

GoneFishing said:
Inflation? It aint CEO’s, its a direct result of Government Policy

No one suggested that all inflation is caused by CEO salaries, only some of it. As for what you said, are you suggesting that inflation is caused by government policy, only?

valkyrie101 said:
Most progressives would be fine with a return to Reagan levels.

exactly. reagan was right up there with the best of the tax and spend presidents.

GoneFishing said:
wtf? CEO’s had nothing at all to do with inflation. The inflation we are seeing is a product of Obama and the Dem’s refusing to allow energy development. Increased energy cost is included in every product on the shelf, its driving Food costs up too.

no, its a direct result of oil speculation in the market.

conservatism: a party of people that claims to be about free markets and taxes and yet they know nothing about markets or taxes.

valkyrie101 said:
No one suggested that all inflation is caused by CEO salaries, only some of it. As for what you said, are you suggesting that inflation is caused by government policy, only?

Did Media Matters tell you what to think on this matter? Do tell us the MM talking points.

You create jobs by actually making things. And a vast portion of what we have is made elsewhere. So we’ve got a Democrat in the White House. What’s happening to remedy that?

Lemme guess, Maher $HIT himself on national cable, again.

Like MOST liberals, Maher is a non-thinking buffoon.

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ChiliPeppersFan said:
exactly. reagan was right up there with the best of the tax and spend presidents.

He was a pragmatic man when the situation called for it.

valkyrie101 said:
So you are good with large CEO, and corporate executive salaries? In 2010, Standard & Poor’s 500 Index company CEOs received, on average, $11.4 million in total compensation.

I couldn’t care less what anybody else makes. It’s none of my business. I’m concerned with what I make. Do you think rich people just “happened” in America? Since the beginning of time there have been rich people, middle people, and poor people and every single time a government has redistributed the wealth from the upper class to the lower class it has failed.

If you are jealous of other people because they are successfull you have a problem and suffer from a victims mentality.

WCinWI said:
Did Media Matters tell you what to think on this matter? Do tell us the MM talking points.

What matter is that? That Coulter questioned the wisdom of woman being permitted to vote? Google it, and come back and tell me I am wrong. Of course she was joking, just like when she said this: “I find it a little baffling when Americans get so gaga-eyed over a princess,” she explained, “and particularly Lady Di who was this anorexic, bulimic narcissist.”

timzank said:
I couldn’t care less what anybody else makes. It’s none of my business. I’m concerned with what I make. Do you think rich people just “happened” in America? Since the beginning of time there have been rich people, middle people, and poor people and every single time a government has redistributed the wealth from the upper class to the lower class it has failed. If you are jealous of other people because they are successfull you have a problem and suffer from a victims mentality.

So just to be clear, since the wealth is consolidating world wide into a smaller and smaller group of people, you are good if one person eventually owns everything?

Maher just took the Universe’s Biggest Douche award away from John Edward. He’s all yours, progressives, I’m sure he does you proud.

Castro took everything from the wealthy, and look how well off Cuba is. They still drive those neat cars from the fifties.

valkyrie101 said:
So you are good with large CEO, and corporate executive salaries? In 2010, Standard & Poor’s 500 Index company CEOs received, on average, $11.4 million in total compensation.

Hmmm… reminds me of another story…

Tedderman said:
Keith made 7 million a year at MSNBC and now makes 10 million at Current tv, he’s not loosing any sleep anyway, he’s set for life. However, I for one am glad he chooses to continue working in the medium he desires.

Oh, that’s right. $10 million is okay for left-wing talkers, celebrities, Democratic politicians, and other left-wing supporters. But, if you’re not one of those guys… or if it’s unclear which side you stand on… you’re “part of the problem.”

It’s not hypocrisy. It’s just a different standard.

Perdido said:
Castro took everything from the wealthy, and look how well off Cuba is. They still drive those neat cars from the fifties.

Believe it or not, there are points in between complete corporate domination of our culture, and communist totalitarianism.

ImNotBlue said:
It’s not hypocrisy. It’s just a different standard.

It certainly would be hypocrisy if I was defending KO and his salary, which I am not.

Point is, valk, you could take everything from the rich, and it doesn’t help the job situation one bit.

Thank God for Bill Maher.

We finally have our own Rush Limbaugh.

It is interesting to watch the chemistry between Maher and Coulter. When he says they broke up because she changed you could see there is some truth there.
She probably used to be more liberal, as young people often are, and Bill moved on as she grew more extreme.
She still seems a little bitter.

If by moving on, you mean Bill became so far left that his head went up his ass.

valkyrie101 said:
So just to be clear, since the wealth is consolidating world wide into a smaller and smaller group of people, you are good if one person eventually owns everything?

HAHAHAHAHA your thinking is just so out of whack.

Just to be clear, are you Obama?

BFD said:
Thank God for Bill Maher.

We finally have our own Rush Limbaugh.

It is interesting to watch the chemistry between Maher and Coulter. When he says they broke up because she changed you could see there is some truth there.
She probably used to be more liberal, as young people often are, and Bill moved on as she grew more extreme.
She still seems a little bitter.

Most college kids start out liberal and then turn conservative. Thankfully, I’ve started out conservative all along. I love when you start to defend Coulter. She’s dated some of the most ugly men (yes, I mean that physically – I won’t even touch the mentally angle) and yet you’re defending her. To each their own on who they find attractive on the male side of things. Good to know that you find Bill and Keith hot.

BFD said:
Thank God for Bill Maher.

We finally have our own Rush Limbaugh.

It is interesting to watch the chemistry between Maher and Coulter. When he says they broke up because she changed you could see there is some truth there.
She probably used to be more liberal, as young people often are, and Bill moved on as she grew more extreme.
She still seems a little bitter.

Most college kids start out liberal and then turn conservative. Thankfully, I’ve started out conservative all along. I love when you start to defend Coulter. She’s dated some of the most ugly men (yes, I mean that physically – I won’t even touch the mentally angle) and yet you’re defending her. To each their own on who they find attractive on the male side of things. Good to know that you find Bill and Keith hot.

WCinWI said:
Most college kids start out liberal and then turn conservative. Thankfully, I’ve started out conservative all along. I love when you start to defend Coulter. She’s dated some of the most ugly men (yes, I mean that physically – I won’t even touch the mentally angle) and yet you’re defending her. To each their own on who they find attractive on the male side of things. Good to know that you find Bill and Keith hot.

Whoops – double post. Mediaite should work on that problem.

Obama on 2006 Debt Limit Increase (to $8T): “We’ve Got to Get our Fiscal House in Order…Not Sure It’s Going to Happen Under Current Leadership”

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=26815

valkyrie101 said:
It certainly would be hypocrisy if I was defending KO and his salary, which I am not.

Oh, I thought you were just talking about people in general who make around $10 million dollars, and how “evil” they must be for making that much money.

Forgive me for not realizing that you didn’t mean “everyone” who makes that much… only certain people (specifically the one’s who aren’t liberal advocates).

Wait… actually, I think I said that in my first post. Yes, that’s right. Two standards.

WCinWI said:
HAHAHAHAHA your thinking is just so out of whack. Just to be clear, are you Obama?

I’ll take that as a “no” answer.

ImNotBlue said:
Oh, I thought you were just talking about people in general who make around $10 million dollars, and how “evil” they must be for making that much money.

Evil? I missed where I said that.

valkyrie101 said:
Believe it or not, there are points in between complete corporate domination of our culture, and communist totalitarianism.

The problem is, your utopian society will never be realized, ever. There are bad people in the world, and there always will be. Communism has never worked because there’s always going to be that group that takes advantage. With capitalism, power is spread out among those who service the populace the best, with progressivism / liberalism / marxism / communism, power is centralized, a bad thing. Within every nation, what’s the biggest and most oppressive corporation? The government.

valkyrie101 said:
I’ll take that as a “no” answer.

Typical liberal – putting words in other people’s mouths.

Like when Hollywood stars do interviews and complain about the rich. I guess they mean the really, really rich.

BFD said:
Thank God for Bill Maher.

We finally have our own Rush Limbaugh.

Not really, Limbaugh is not a foul mouth douchebag.

The top quintile’s share of total taxes collected is higher than its share of total income earned. That difference is actually among the highest in the world (in the social democratic paradise of Sweden, for example, there is no difference between the two: the top 1/5′s share of the tax burden is equal to its share of income), and the gap has increased over time. What has also increased over time is the top quintile’s share of the overall tax burden, while the bottom quintile’s share has decreased.

But the rich not paying taxes is the problem according to Maher. Gee. with that keen intellect, I wonder why his movie career peaked out at Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death.

valkyrie101 said:
Evil? I missed where I said that.

Well, let’s see… you first said that CEO’s earn a 100 million dollars… in response to a comment about “union gangsters,” which suggests that you see CEO’s and “union gangsters” as on par.

You asked, “So you are good with large CEO, and corporate executive salaries?” Which clearly implies that you’re not okay with it… except in certain instances, apparently.

You also said that you believe it’s a problem that wealth is “consolidating world wide into a smaller and smaller group of people,” asking, “you are good if one person eventually owns everything?” Does that sound like the question of someone who approves of $10 million dollar saleries, and thinks it’s a good thing? Sure doesn’t to me.

But perhaps I’m reading too much into it. Why don’t you correct the record. Tell us what you think of CEOs making as much as Keith Olbermann makes, despite CEO’s running large companies, and Olbermann running his mouth. One hires hundreds of people to work across the world, and another hires a staff of 20-30 people (estimated), and yells at them until they quit, cry, or give up.

WCinWI said:
Most college kids start out liberal and then turn conservative. Thankfully, I’ve started out conservative all along. I love when you start to defend Coulter. She’s dated some of the most ugly men (yes, I mean that physically – I won’t even touch the mentally angle) and yet you’re defending her. To each their own on who they find attractive on the male side of things. Good to know that you find Bill and Keith hot.

Have you got a job yet?

Just gather everyone who makes over a mil a year and divide them into two groups, good on one side, bad on the other. Then tax the hell out of the bad ones.

Perdido said:
Just gather everyone who makes over a mil a year and divide them into two groups, good on one side, bad on the other. Then tax the hell out of the bad ones.

Seriously man, my first grade grand-daughter make more intelligent comments than that.

WutzUpWithThat said:
Have you got a job yet?

Yep. I had one weeks ago. And an interview for another this next week. Don’t worry – I’ll more than likely be attending schooling for a 3rd degree next year. :)

winning, you’ve heard of sarcasm, right?

WutzUpWithThat said:
Have you got a job yet?

And it’s a grown-up job. Not McD’s. Sorry for disappointing. I’m actually headed out in a bit to work an eight hour shift at an event today and then finishing out the event series tomorrow. Good thing about tonight is that I get to see Bret Michaels.

Perdido said:
winning, you’ve heard of sarcasm, right?

Winning is the KING of sarcasm. :)

If you look at your household finances and you are overdrawn on your checking account every month the problem is you are spending too much. Why is it any different for those 536 people in Washington?

winning said:
Not really, Limbaugh is not a foul mouth douchebag.

Yeah – PigBoy is just an Oxy-snorting pedophile – not foul mouthed at all.

seek said:
I think he was referring to Great Britain.

When did the 90% tax rate become the Democrat talking points? I notice everyone on the left is calling for that. Why is cutting spending such a dirty concept for politicians? Oh, that’s right they want to buy votes with our money.

Perdido said:
winning, you’ve heard of sarcasm, right?

If you were simply being sarcastic, I missed it, because that’s how marxists really do think.

Girth Brick said:
Oxy-snorting pedophile

Not funny , creep .

If you have evidence , contact the Palm Beach County PD .

If not , go to hell .

WCinWI said:
Good thing about tonight is that I get to see Bret Michaels.

AHAAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!!!

To think that’s a “Good thing” pretty much sums you up! The world needs mental midgets!

BTW…..I really laughed when I read that! Please keep up the good work!

winning said:
utopian society

Utopian society?

Limbaugh ..

Girth Brick said:is just an Oxy-snorting pedophile

I don’t even listen to Limbaugh, but if you can’t back that up, then you’re just another progressive / communist lying pos. So let’s see your proof, chump.

valkyrie101 said:
Utopian society?

And .. ?

WutzUpWithThat said:
AHAAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!!!

To think that’s a “Good thing” pretty much sums you up! The world needs mental midgets!

BTW…..I really laughed when I read that! Please keep up the good work!

I’m sorry if you don’t like attending concerts for free – while on-site. I do. I caught a bit of Sawyer Brown last night too. I only meant that it was a good thing because I’ve been getting home late at night this last week so it will be nice to relax for a bit. You have issues. That is all.

RichS said:
When did the 90% tax rate become the Democrat talking points?

Probably never, unless it was back in the fifties when we had such a rate under Eisenhower.

winning said:
And .. ?

“Utopian society”

You brought it up, I was wondering what that is. Sounds cool.

valkyrie101 said:
“Utopian society”

You brought it up, I was wondering what that is. Sounds cool.

Hayes approves.

A man without a Country said:
I love this sort of stoopidity. That’s right, your statement is so insane it warrants a new spelling.You do know that the current speaker of the House has been there a very long time, Lets blame him instead.Congress is the money changer in this spectator theocracy or I am wrong? Mr. Mahr, I’m very sorry, but you are wrong. This trial was just a sample of the greater sickness that long ago took over this country. This country breeds psychos like a pond breeds scum. If you don’t believe me, just read comments section of this fine Website. Let’s stop calling this” the home of the free and land of the brave” and call it what it really is… the home of the greedy and stupid.

You are, obviously, talking about your own home. Is that what your neighbors also call your house?

valkyrie101 said:
No one suggested that all inflation is caused by CEO salaries, only some of it. As for what you said, are you suggesting that inflation is caused by government policy, only?

Private sector economic activity has little control of, and is not a driver with regard to Inflation…The inflationary pressure is a Result of Government FED Policy on Capitol and Quantitative Easing (Printing Money), and increased manufacturing and transportation costs due directly to Federal Energy Policy.

Monetary Policy is not an exact science, so how quickly and by how much the public responds to FED policy is always a guess, but the effect of printing money is not…it is directly inflationary.

The link with ‘increased Energy Cost to the increased market price of goods’ is much more direct. Government policy resulting in increased Energy cost directly effect the manufacturing and transportation cost of goods on multiple levels; All of them driving price upward.

That is true of farming/ meat and Produce price also. The pass-thru of energy cost to the consumer is almost immediate here, as the margin of profit in farming is too small for the producer to absorb the increased Energy cost.

Think of Energy as a basic Raw Material, of variable cost. When Cost goes up, the Consumer pays more…one way or another.

valkyrie101 said:
“Utopian society”

You brought it up, I was wondering what that is. Sounds cool.

So cool! You’re returning to the shadows, and it’s a sign that communists such as yourself see that this round is lost. The problem for you and like minded communists, of course, is that normal people have see you; after a hundred years, you people have stepped out for all to see when you thought it was okay. Problem though, Obama wasn’t elected because normal people wanted hope and change, they were voting against McCain. Communism wasn’t the mandate, nor is it the answer, it never will be, and normal people know that.

WCinWI said:
Hayes approves.

Hey, I thought you wanted to be left alone?

winning said:
So cool! You’re returning to the shadows, and it’s a sign that communists such as yourself see that this round is lost.

No, I like the sunlight. Tell me again about your utopion society idea.

Publius219 said:
But how can we tax the job creators and create jobs? That certainly didn’t work in the 50’s, 60’s, or 70’s when their marginal rates were well above 50%. America was going down the shltter. Then Reagan came along, and America has been fine ever since, til Hussein. Duh!

Kind of like of inner city black population always lived in the comfort of plenty until the President was a Republican.

winning said:
Communism wasn’t the mandate, nor is it the answer, it never will be, and normal people know that.

Not just normal people, just about everyone.

winning said:
So cool! You’re returning to the shadows, and it’s a sign that communists such as yourself see that this round is lost. The problem for you and like minded communists, of course, is that normal people have see you; t.

Its fascists like yourself that call liberals “communists” that are the liars. So Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, the Google guys, and the rest of the top of the Forbes 400 are “communist”?

You are truly a clueless little fascists too.

valkyrie101 said:
No, I like the sunlight. Tell me again about your utopion society idea.

I’m going to grill some steaks and corn on the cob a little later, bought some hickory charcoal at Home Depot yesterday, sounded good. Wish you were here, you and I have bantered back and forth for a long time, and although I think your political philosophy is dumb, sitting around the fire pit and laughing about insignificant things is what makes America great.

Hey Bill, you and your liberal friends in the media already tried pinning a shooting in Arizona on Sarah Palin. Now you want to blame Republicans for the Casey Anthony verdict? You’ve got your party affiliations confused. Democrats have taken the lead in dismantling the criminal justice system, and putting murderers on the street. Republican can’t even compete when it comes to lax standards and wimpy sentencing. Just ask lawyers who they try to keep off juries, and see what they think about Republican vs. Democrat attitudes toward crime.

There’s no news here. Maher hitting homers from bad Republican pitches is old hat.

that might have been maher’s best 10 minutes EVER

beautiful takedown

and btw, felixw, bill maher didn’t “blame” republicans for the verdict

he’s drawing a parallel: stupidity

We are voting on the budget today. It’s a sad state of affairs, we just voted to increase the debt limit. The U.S. total debt at this point exceeds eight trillion dollars. That’s eight trillion with a “t”. So we’ve got to get our fiscal house in order here in Washington.

BARACK OBAMA – 2006

darladoon said:
that might have been maher’s best 10 minutes EVER

beautiful takedown

and btw, felixw, bill maher didn’t “blame” republicans for the verdict

he’s drawing a parallel: stupidity

Felix obviously didn’t comprehend the original item.

The Audacity of Indifference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgqP6vOVY58&feature=player_embedded

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
We are voting on the budget today. It’s a sad state of affairs, we just voted to increase the debt limit. The U.S. total debt at this point exceeds eight trillion dollars. That’s eight trillion with a “t”. So we’ve got to get our fiscal house in order here in Washington.

BARACK OBAMA – 2006

Welcome aboard the Obama warwagon–glad to have you aboard to help his re-election efforts!

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
We are voting on the budget today. It’s a sad state of affairs, we just voted to increase the debt limit. The U.S. total debt at this point exceeds eight trillion dollars. That’s eight trillion with a “t”. So we’ve got to get our fiscal house in order here in Washington.

BARACK OBAMA – 2006

well if you’re sooooo concerned about the debt, then you must not be voting republican
next year.

Publius219 said:
But how can we tax the job creators and create jobs? That certainly didn’t work in the 50’s, 60’s, or 70’s when their marginal rates were well above 50%. America was going down the shltter. Then Reagan came along, and America has been fine ever since, til Hussein. Duh!

this has to be sarcasm…..

darladoon said:
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Publius219 said:
But how can we tax the job creators and create jobs? That certainly didn’t work in the 50’s, 60’s, or 70’s when their marginal rates were well above 50%. America was going down the shltter. Then Reagan came along, and America has been fine ever since, til Hussein. Duh!

this has to be sarcasm…..

It MUST be sarcasm. It’s a well-established fact that Reagan ran up more debt than EVERY PRESIDENT COMBINED FROM WASHINGTON THROUGH CARTER.

You out there, Justhefax?

Pablo said:
Michael_T said:
If you are a Republican and neither wealthy nor a Christian Conservative, I have to ask why do you vote for and continue to support these corporate puppets in congress and what was it Maher said that you found you disagree with …
Corporate Puppets? Like Barack Obama? Like Joe Biden (The Senator from MBNA)? Like Chuck Schumer? Like Chris Dodd (who was finally so completely exposed that his shame barrier was broken)? Like Harry Reid?

I do not disagree with you.

In fact, I argued a while back that if the Tea Party would consider broadening their populist message to appeal to more Independents and Dems there is a real audience for the taking. All you have to do is look at congressional approval ratings.

Sadly until we seriously consider (even demand) some form of public financing of congressional elections we as a country are at the mercy of politicians more obsessed with campaign donations than helping a struggling middle class.

Michael_T said:
I do not disagree with you.

In fact, I argued a while back that if the Tea Party would consider broadening their populist message to appeal to more Independents and Dems there is a real audience for the taking. All you have to do is look at congressional approval ratings.

Sadly until we seriously consider (even demand) some form of public financing of congressional elections we as a country are at the mercy of politicians more obsessed with campaign donations than helping a struggling middle class.

Would you please stop being sensible and reasonable? This is Mediaite, goddamnit!!!

Michael_T said:
I do not disagree with you.

In fact, I argued a while back that if the Tea Party would consider broadening their populist message to appeal to more Independents and Dems there is a real audience for the taking. All you have to do is look at congressional approval ratings.

Sadly until we seriously consider (even demand) some form of public financing of congressional elections we as a country are at the mercy of politicians more obsessed with campaign donations than helping a struggling middle class.

there’s a big difference, though, as far as policy

reid, biden, dodd, may all be corrupt, but they’re not the ones standing in lock step
against tax increases on the wealthy, or against medicare and social security….

there are many, many democrats (see: the progressive caucus) who are actually
acting like democrats, and not spoiled new england pseudo-democrats

but the republicans in DC? every single one of them is the same

the tea party’s position is too vague on spending

they want congress to simply ‘stop spending’

but doesn’t that mean, no spending on medicare?

give us your money rich people dammit

cjd ohio 1 said:
give us your money rich people dammit

Now you’re talking–I knew you’d come around!

winning said:
I’m going to grill some steaks and corn on the cob a little later, bought some hickory charcoal at Home Depot yesterday, sounded good. Wish you were here, you and I have bantered back and forth for a long time, and although I think your political philosophy is dumb, sitting around the fire pit and laughing about insignificant things is what makes America great.

That would be cool. I would love that. :-) Have a good time, my friend.

cjd ohio 1 said:
give us your money rich people dammit

that’s one way of putting it. the other way is “you’ve been having the most successful
time that anyone has ever had in this country, and mostly at the expense of everyone
else, and we think we should back to a tax code that even reagan though was too low,
so that we can balance the budget”

or another way we could put it is, “give us your money working people dammit”

because if the rich don’t pay, guess who pays? we do.

apparently cjd ohio prefers the latter option…..

cjd ohio 1 said:
give us your money rich people dammit

AmericaSucks said:
Now you’re talking–I knew you’d come around!

hell with the giving, we should just take it

the rich do pay about 70% of income taxes, but we want more

cjd ohio 1 said:
hell with the giving, we should just take it

Yes–keep going! You’re getting it, you’re GETTING it!!!!

here’s the crux of (moronic) republican thinking:

cuts in medicare to senior citizens is not actually……a contribution senior citizens
are making. no. those are *necessary* cuts so that we can get our fiscal house in
order.

but asking billionaires to pay a little more in taxes is really, really going to hurt
our fiscal house, because they’re the “job creators” (chinese jobs)…..

asking, what if they so no, hell we will take their money anyway

darla – do you read?

Is there any republican against medicare and social security you dimbulb you?
They are saying – there will be no money for any frigging program if the spending isn’t stopped!

For God’s sake, if you want to act like an adult then quit saying dumb things.

You either adjust the programs so that they can continue or you act like the democrats and say absolutely not and the damn things go down the drain cause the money runs out.

Your next book to crack will be an economics book – preferably not one that Paul Krugman has either authored or swears by – cause the man is an economics fraud.

cjd ohio 1 said:
the rich do pay about 70% of income taxes, but we want more

you still don’t understand something very fundamental:

take the total tax bill, ok? yes, they pay a large chunk of it.

but there paying roughly the same % of their income as workers are

and investors (dividends, capital gains) are paying HALF that %

and profits from overseas manufacturing? 5%

and it’s how much they KEEP after taxes that is really disturbing….

the top 1% own roughly 42% of everything.

evidently you support that

valkyrie101 said:
Have a good time, my friend.

You too, man

its my money, and i want it now

seek said:
darla – do you read?

Is there any republican against medicare and social security you dimbulb you?
They are saying – there will be no money for any frigging program if the spending isn’t stopped!

all republicans are fundamentally/philosophically against medicare and social security.

social security and medicare spending are *not* the cause of our deficits.

egregious tax cuts and wars are.

cjd ohio 1 said:
the rich do pay about 70% of income taxes, but we want more

15% tax on dividends

so you think the middle class should pay more of the tax bill than wealthy investors?

boy, you’d be a wonderful politican!

darladoon said:
here’s the crux of (moronic) republican thinking:

cuts in medicare to senior citizens is not actually……a contribution senior citizens
are making. no. those are *necessary* cuts so that we can get our fiscal house in
order.

but asking billionaires to pay a little more in taxes is really, really going to hurt
our fiscal house, because they’re the “job creators” (chinese jobs)…..

Darla – how many freaking billionaires are in America? Quit with the stupid comments.

Once more I hear from you about “asking billionaires to pay a “little” more and I’m not going to be responsible for what I call you. Just freaking dumb.

How many jobs does Warren Buffet create either in America or China?

Who are these billionaires that you keep wanting to take the money from? Exactly who?

republicans are using this fiscal “crisis” to destroy the last vestiges of the social safety net

they know exactly what they’re doing

Mahar can only get attention today by p’i*&^ng in the punch bowl in public. Pathetic…

darladoon said:
15% tax on dividends so you think the middle class should pay more of the tax bill than wealthy investors? boy, you’d be a wonderful politican!

do you think its fair that 50% of people pay no income taxes?

seek said:
Darla – how many freaking billionaires are in America? Quit with the stupid comments.

Once more I hear from you about “asking billionaires to pay a “little” more and I’m not going to be responsible for what I call you. Just freaking dumb.

How many jobs does Warren Buffet create either in America or China?

Who are these billionaires that you keep wanting to take the money from? Exactly who?

seek, calm down man. too much coffee. switch to tea, dude.

please, defend the current tax code for me.

why should only spending cuts be a part of the deficit reduction plan, and not tax
increases on those who can afford it?

why should the working class balance the budget and not wealthy people?

please, explain that to me.

cjd ohio 1 said:
do you think its fair that 50% of people pay no income taxes?

yes. they already pay payroll taxes, which is 35%.

if you tax someone making 24,000/year even more….how can they have
any purchasing power to stimulate the economy?

oh right, you can’t answer that, because it would make you look really dumb

there is no rational/reasonable argument against tax increases on those making
more than, say, 400,000/year

not a single rational argument

even reagan and bush’s budget directors argue for tax increases

Bill Maher needs to sitting with the rest of the numb-chucks on the View. His reasoning is so pathetic, it doesn’t even reach the level needed for consideration. The Progressive Left shills like Maher have run out of reasonable excuses for Obimbo, their now grabbing at anything, no matter how silly to justify this administrations lack of leadership.

darladoon said:
yes. they already pay payroll taxes, which is 35%. if you tax someone making 24,000/year even more….how can they haveany purchasing power to stimulate the economy? oh right, you can’t answer that, because it would make you look really dumb

payroll taxes, you mean benefits that they personally receive?………..50%percent of the population that has no vested interest in raising taxes, since it does not affect them

payroll taxes, please explain what you consider payroll taxes

cjd ohio 1 said:
payroll taxes, you mean benefits that they personally receive?………..50%percent of the population that has no vested interest in raising taxes, since it does not affect them

so you think they (the middle class) should pay more then?

i thought so.

ok, everyone here is cjd ohio’s position on taxes:

you ready?

“raise taxes on the working class!”

cjd ohio 1 said:
payroll taxes, please explain what you consider payroll taxes

medicare, medicaid, social security, and SSID

Bill Maher is dead on!

darladoon said:
so you think they (the middle class) should pay more then? i thought so. ok, everyone here is cjd ohio’s position on taxes: you ready? “raise taxes on the working class!” medicare, medicaid, social security, and SSID

who said raise taxes? you did i didn’t, ………payroll taxes exactly benefits paid directly to the person, not the general welfare of the country as a whole

darladoon said:
so you think they (the middle class) should pay more then? i thought so. ok, everyone here is cjd ohio’s position on taxes: you ready? “raise taxes on the working class!”

false premise, only you said we have to raise taxes

cjd ohio 1 said:
who said raise taxes? you did i didn’t, ………payroll taxes exactly benefits paid directly to the person, not the general welfare of the country as a whole

ok, so you don’t think we should raise taxes on the wealthy.

i got that.

the logical outcome of this is obvious:

a) we raise taxes on the working class

b) we cut benefits on the working class

you are presumably for option b

which is EXACTLY what i was arguing:

you want the middle class to pay, and not the wealthy

thanks for defending your neighbors, friends and family!

you’re a swell guy

cjd ohio 1 said:
false premise, only you said we have to raise taxes

dude, tax increases and spending cuts are the same f*cking thing!

there’s no difference.

if you cut spending, somebody pays (that would be us workers)

if you don’t cut spending, then you have to raise taxes

since you are OPPOSED to tax increases on the wealthy, then
you are in SUPPORT of tax increases on the middle class.

you can’t have it both ways cjd ohio.

check mate.

darladoon said:
dude, tax increases and spending cuts are the same f*cking thing! there’s no difference. if you cut spending, somebody pays (that would be us workers) if you don’t cut spending, then you have to raise taxes since you are OPPOSED to tax increases on the wealthy, thenyou are in SUPPORT of tax increases on the middle class. you can’t have it both ways cjd ohio. check mate.

if you are not paying into the system, income taxes……. you are not paying anything in the first place

cjd ohio 1 said:
if you are not paying into the system, income taxes……. you are not paying anything in the first place

so it cost you nothing, except losing benefits you dont pay for

if you pay no income taxes, how much does the wars and defense budget cost you? nothing , since you contribute nothing in taxes

Is Bill Maher Hugh Hefner’s son? (Younger version vs older version of the same person.)

They both look as if they are always ready for the “holiday” that comes at the end of October!

cjd ohio 1 said:
do you think its fair that 50% of people pay no income taxes?

you guys keep saying this like it is the 50% that don’t pay taxes are the problem we are having today. the problem is that 50% of the people don’t make enough income to be eligible to pay taxes and a lot of those people 13-17% or those, don’t have enough to buy their kids the christmas gift they want to because they have to save their money for the heating bill.
you guys just love repeating talking points from fox and grover norquist buy you really have no clue or you have no heart.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

cjd ohio 1 said:
if you are not paying into the system, income taxes……. you are not paying anything in the first place

so social security, medicare, etc are not “paying into anything”?

and…..you forgot this little thing called…….sales taxes

kind of a big thing, sale taxes

also…..property taxes, which pay for little things like ‘schools’ (maybe you’ve heard
of them)

cjd ohio 1 said:
so it cost you nothing, except losing benefits you dont pay for

“losing benefits” doesn’t cost anything?!

dude, you LOSE this argument. you’re basically face planting at this point…

it’s kind of enjoyable to watch….

cjd ohio 1 said:
if you pay no income taxes, how much does the wars and defense budget cost you? nothing , since you contribute nothing in taxes

so only income taxes pay for the wars?

well, then. i guess the rich should definitely pay a lot more then….

or, in your case, you want the middle class to pay more.

simple logical deduction cjd ohio: you want the middle class to pay more
in one of two ways, or both ways:

a) cuts to popular social programs

b) tax increases

valkyrie101 said:
Probably never, unless it was back in the fifties when we had such a rate under Eisenhower.

Ah, you are trying to be cute. As you know, the 90% tax rate has been brought up by the left, both in this newsgroup and in broadcast news, for the past few weeks. I’m simply asking when it became a left wing talking point? I guess you are more comfortable dodging the question?

and besides, WE WOULDN’T BE RAISING TAXES!!! you guys were given a gift by that criminal w and that gift is now over. how could it be any clearer. bush gave you tax cuts without paying for them AND THEY DIDN’T CREATE JOBS!!!

BUSH WAS THE WORST JOB CREATING PRESIDENT ON RECORD!!! and giving a present of tax cuts did nothing to help.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

is there a national sales tax…no, is there a national property tax……no, and your payroll ss,medicare benefit you directly

darladoon said:
so social security, medicare, etc are not “paying into anything”? and…..you forgot this little thing called…….sales taxes kind of a big thing, sale taxes also…..property taxes, which pay for little things like ’schools’ (maybe you’ve heardof them) “losing benefits” doesn’t cost anything?! dude, you LOSE this argument. you’re basically face planting at this point… it’s kind of enjoyable to watch…. so only income taxes pay for the wars? well, then. i guess the rich should definitely pay a lot more then…. or, in your case, you want the middle class to pay more. simple logical deduction cjd ohio: you want the middle class to pay morein one of two ways, or both ways: a) cuts to popular social programs b) tax increases

darladoon said:
so

you pay no income taxes, but you want the benefits from them, got it

you think social security taxs pay for wars, defense budget lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
is there a national sales tax…no, is there a national property tax……no, and your payroll ss,medicare benefit you directly

cjd ohio 1 said:
you pay no income taxes, but you want the benefits from them, got it

unreal

Michael_T said:
I do not disagree with you.

In fact, I argued a while back that if the Tea Party would consider broadening their populist message to appeal to more Independents and Dems there is a real audience for the taking. All you have to do is look at congressional approval ratings.

Sadly until we seriously consider (even demand) some form of public financing of congressional elections we as a country are at the mercy of politicians more obsessed with campaign donations than helping a struggling middle class.

i do not disagree with you. remember the first day of the new republican led house? i don’t know if they were tea party people, but there were 2 cons that missed being sworn in because they were at a fund raiser and they thought if they raised their hand while watching it on tv they would have completed the oath. first of all, that’s pretty stupid but the first day they go to a fund raiser.

cjd ohio 1 said:
you think social security taxs pay for wars, defense budget lol

never said that

darladoon said:
yes. they already pay payroll taxes, which is 35%. if you tax someone making 24,000/year even more….how can they haveany purchasing power to stimulate the economy? oh right, you can’t answer that, because it would make you look really dumb

Put down the talking points memo you are copying and learn about what you are talking about. If you are going to say you know what you are talking about then tell me exactly how payroll taxes, without considering income taxes, amoun to 35% of a person salary.

cjd ohio 1 said:
unreal

Darla is a hopeless case. Hasn’t read anything except far left blogs and thinks she’s an expert. The kid lives at home – makes no money, but knows how you and I should be spending ours.

I wonder what Mom and Dad think? Last I heard Darla was planning to move to Norway, the political climate agreed with her there.

Perhaps she’s packing as we speak. One can only hope! lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
you pay no income taxes, but you want the benefits from them, got it

war is a benefit?

you still haven’t answered the question: who should pay more?

the middle class or the wealthy?

seek said:
Darla is a hopeless case. Hasn’t read anything except far left blogs and thinks she’s an expert. The kid lives at home – makes no money, but knows how you and I should be spending ours.

I wonder what Mom and Dad think? Last I heard Darla was planning to move to Norway, the political climate agreed with her there.

Perhaps she’s packing as we speak. One can only hope! lol

seek, who should pay more: the middle class or the wealthy?

i see you’re more interested in personal attacks, and not substantive debate.

darladoon said:
war is a benefit? you still haven’t answered the question: who should pay more? the middle class or the wealthy?

spend less…………is the military a benefit you pay for if you pay no income taxes? you know national defense

darladoon said:
war is a benefit? you still haven’t answered the question: who should pay more? the middle class or the wealthy?

false premise again……….you want somebody to pay more

and do i detect a whiff of class warfare from cjd?

he’s CRITICIZING me for not……making enough money!

wow!

cjd ohio 1 said:
false premise again……….you want somebody to pay more

ok, you so want only cut spending, right?

and you argue that there’s no cost to anyone if we do so?

so, cuts to medicare are not……someone paying?

cjd ohio 1 said:
spend less…………is the military a benefit you pay for if you pay no income taxes? you know national defense

ok, spend less. i got it.

so if we only spend less, then nobody pays for that?

if we stop spending on, say, seniors’ healthcare, then seniors don’t absorb
the costs?

interesting “theory” lol

darladoon said:
and do i detect a whiff of class warfare from cjd? he’s CRITICIZING me for not……making enough money! wow!

how? i dont know how much money you make

i’m not a big fan of maher but he’s right when he says siding with republicans to cut programs for real americans that need some assistance in favor of private jets is a stupid as voting not guilty for a mom who lost her baby for a month and went to a wet t-shirt contest.

darladoon said:
ok, spend less. i got it. so if we only spend less, then nobody pays for that? if we stop spending on, say, seniors’ healthcare, then seniors don’t absorbthe costs? interesting “theory” lol

you mean they have to pay for themselves?

cjd ohio 1 said:
you mean they have to pay for themselves?

so seniors absorb the costs, rather than the wealthy.

cjd, i got your position, dude.

and i’m gonna repeat it:

you want the poor to pay down the debt, and not the wealthy.

check mate.

although i have to agree with the verdict because it’s better that a bunch of criminals go free than one innocent person be convicted. we have a great legal system.

i told my tax plan…………….40,000or less 5% 80,000 10%, 140,000 15% 225, 000 20%, 300,000and above 25%…….no deductions…..no loopholes all income no matter the source taxed at same rate

darladoon said:
so seniors absorb the costs, rather than the wealthy. cjd, i got your position, dude. and i’m gonna repeat it: you want the poor to pay down the debt, and not the wealthy. check mate.

and you want something for nothing……got it

people pay for themselves, what a novel concept

darladoon said:
so seniors absorb the costs, rather than the wealthy.

cjd, i got your position, dude.

and i’m gonna repeat it:

you want the poor to pay down the debt, and not the wealthy.

check mate.

he’s been saying that the whole time. my guess is that he is sitting by the pool in his mansion having his toe nails painted by his made and he is dictating this to his man servant while he sips his bloody mary.
he doesn’t have a clue of how hard it is for some people to survive.

darladoon said:
dude, tax increases and spending cuts are the same f*cking thing!

WHAT???

ChiliPeppersFan said:
he’s been saying that the whole time. my guess is that he is sitting by the pool in his mansion having his toe nails painted by his made and he is dictating this to his man servant while he sips his bloody mary.he doesn’t have a clue of how hard it is for some people to survive.

lol, nice but untrue, last year made 41,500

ChiliPeppersFan said:
he’s been saying that the whole time. my guess is that he is sitting by the pool in his mansion having his toe nails painted by his made and he is dictating this to his man servant while he sips his bloody mary.he doesn’t have a clue of how hard it is for some people to survive.

and my mom was a single parent, and worked hard all her life as a waitress to take care of me when i was a child, she didnt bring men home or stay out drinking……..a great woman

cjd ohio 1 said:
people pay for themselves, what a novel concept

you lost the argument, cjd

LAPhil said:
WHAT???

yes, if you cut spending, someone pays

if you increase taxes, someone pays

i would just rather those who can afford it to pay, not those who can’t afford it

republicans want the working class to pay more.

i want them to pay less.

darladoon said:
ok, spend less. i got it. so if we only spend less, then nobody pays for that? if we stop spending on, say, seniors’ healthcare, then seniors don’t absorbthe costs? interesting “theory” lol

Why are “pay as you go” programs the only ones you can conceive of cutting? If you made money perhaps you would have a better grasp on what it takes to maintain a home budget.

darladoon said:
you lost the argument, cjd

lol,right, lol

what cjd apparently fails to understand, or is just too stubborn to admit, is that
whether you cut spending or increase taxes, someone has to pay.

and he is defending spending cuts, not tax increases.

by not defending tax increases, he is logically supporting one thing, and one thing only:

that the working class absorb the costs, not the wealthy.

RichS said:
Why are “pay as you go” programs the only ones you can conceive of cutting? If you made money perhaps you would have a better grasp on what it takes to maintain a home budget.

i do make money.

and i’m not for cuts in spending to any programs which benefit the poor.

i got darla, you want to spend other peoples money the way you think it should be spent……got it

darladoon said:
i do make money. and i’m not for cuts in spending to any programs which benefit the poor.

So, do you favor paying Social Security and Medicaid payments to illegal aliens?

cjd ohio 1 said:
i got darla, you want to spend other peoples money the way you think it should be spent……got it

so do 82% of americans

RichS said:
So, do you favor paying Social Security and Medicaid payments to illegal aliens?

“illegal” aliens don’t receive social security and medicaid payments

cjd ohio 1 said:
and my mom was a single parent, and worked hard all her life as a waitress to take care of me when i was a child, she didnt bring men home or stay out drinking……..a great woman

that was unfair on my part to put words in your mouth because i hate it when people do it to me.

darladoon said:
so do 82% of americans

and might makes right

darladoon said:
so do 82% of americans

If 82% of Americans thought you should shave your head, do you think that would also be right?

cjd ohio 1 said:
and might makes right

so, cjd, as part of your deficit reduction package, what programs would you cut?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
that was unfair on my part to put words in your mouth because i hate it when people do it to me.

its cool chili, there are programs that i favor, and i do want to help the poor, i just do not want to enable people, and then they stay poor for generations

ChiliPeppersFan said:
that was unfair on my part to put words in your mouth because i hate it when people do it to me.

caught up in the moment, i have read you post, left leaning yeah…….wingnut no

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i’m not a big fan of maher but he’s right when he says siding with republicans to cut programs for real americans that need some assistance in favor of private jets is a stupid as voting not guilty for a mom who lost her baby for a month and went to a wet t-shirt contest.

Obama’s stimulus plan reinstated the tax cut for corporate jet owners. Why didn’t he think it was a problem then? How about when they cut out those tax cuts and people stop buying the private jets and everyone that services those jets, or sells parts for those jets, lose their job? There is always a cost. Just like when they tried the “luxury tax.” They had to repeal it because so many people lost jobs. It doesn’t work. Just because Libs like the sound of “punish the rich” it fails everytime.

darladoon said:
so seniors absorb the costs, rather than the wealthy. cjd, i got your position, dude. and i’m gonna repeat it: you want the poor to pay down the debt, and not the wealthy. check mate.

Are you playing chess with youself or something?

cjd ohio 1 said:
its cool chili, there are programs that i favor, and i do want to help the poor, i just do not want to enable people, and then they stay poor for generations

and there we have it…..cjd doesn’t have a problem with helping people, just not
certain people.

LAPhil said:
Are you playing chess with youself or something?

explain your deficit reduction package: do you want spending cuts, tax increases,
or both?

2012freedom said:
Obama’s stimulus plan reinstated the tax cut for corporate jet owners. Why didn’t he think it was a problem then? How about when they cut out those tax cuts and people stop buying the private jets and everyone that services those jets, or sells parts for those jets, lose their job? There is always a cost. Just like when they tried the “luxury tax.” They had to repeal it because so many people lost jobs. It doesn’t work. Just because Libs like the sound of “punish the rich” it fails everytime.

the corporate jet industry will not suffer because certain wealthy individuals can’t write
off their purchase of a jet.

darladoon said:
“illegal” aliens don’t receive social security and medicaid payments

that’s what you think. Many have stolen i.d.’s and yes they get benefits etc. That is one of the “problems” that nobody wants to touch.

I would suggest you go back and re-read your posts and see how much sense you made. You want to “debate” and you don’t have the skills to debate.

You went from billionaires to $400,000 in one fell swoop. That does not indicate a wordily character.

You keep asking the same question – and you ignore the answer and keep repeating the same nonsense on who’s taxes should be raised – nobodies.

as to your 82% – it wasn’t 82% of people darla. It was 82% of the people who were polled coming off the University of Berkley Campus!

Next time in statistics class, ask the prof what #’s you read really mean?

You can skew anything any way you want to.

You didn’t understand what the difference is between sales tax, property tax and income tax. That’s pretty basic stuff there kid. Time to crack another book.

seek,

read these polls:

http://www.politicususa.com/en/polls-taxes-deficit

and then maybe you can tell us, seek, what your deficit reduction plan is.

thank you.

seek said:
It was 82% of the people who were polled coming off the University of Berkley Campus!

you criticize my debate skills, then drop this whopper

darladoon said:
the corporate jet industry will not suffer because certain wealthy individuals can’t write
off their purchase of a jet.

Yes it will. If you actually did an ounce of research instead of relying on talking points you would know that.

Here is just a little bit to get you started.

“More importantly, problems slowly emerge from the shortfall of luxury tax collection, and the the yacht industry took an unexpectedly hard hit. Within a year, sales plunged 70 percent, and many firms had to lay off workers and even declare bankruptcy. Large numbers of workers lost their jobs. In Florida, 13,000 yacht workers were unemployed, and related industries were also affected. The impact was significant.”

“Ironically, the largest shortfall was in the tax revenue. After the luxury tax introduction, the 5-year tax revenue was estimated to be $9 billion. However, in its first year, the tax revenue was only a few tenths of a million dollars. In addition, the government also had to pay unemployment benefits.”

darladoon said:
i do make money. and i’m not for cuts in spending to any programs which benefit the poor.

darladoon said:
after reading this, i just have to ask (it may sound stupid to some): lost jobs? who cares? that means one thing in my mind: less children, and a healthier planet yeah, a lot of depressed people for a generation. but in the end? i’ll take clean air, clean water, and less people any day of the week. the whole “we need more jobs” argument is meaningless to me.

No, you just want them to die so your goddess Gaia will be happy with you.

darladoon:

Social safety net? Which safety-net are you talking about? Your supposing the government will do it all for you. Just give them everything and they’ll take care of you from womb to tomb! How’s that working out for you so far? Maybe you should look up the definition of “incentive”. And then ask yourself, what happens when incentive no longer exists. It only took Russia a few short decades to find out.

darladoon said:
yes, if you cut spending, someone pays if you increase taxes, someone pays i would just rather those who can afford it to pay, not those who can’t afford it republicans want the working class to pay more. i want them to pay less.

If you cut spending, someone pays? Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me.

darladoon said:
“illegal” aliens don’t receive social security and medicaid payments

Boy, is that naive!

Bill Maher Openly, Proudly Equates Casey Anthony Verdict With ‘Republican Thinking’

There are three things the lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists NEVER consider: THE TRUTH, THE FACTS and REALITY.
Let us point out one of those things: the jury members are from Orlando, which HAS A D-CRAT SOCIALIST MAYOR AND HAS MANY MORE REGISTERED D-CRAT SOCIALIST VOTERS THAN REPUBLICAN VOTERS . Therefore – and this is the difficult party for lunatics – math suggests that the moronic anthony jury had MORE D-CRAT SOCIALISTS THAN REPUBLICANS making their idiotic decisions.

darladoon said:
seek, read these polls: http://www.politicususa.com/en/polls-taxes-deficit

Just where on that page does it cite the number 82% and in what context? You got yourself out on a limb here, darla.

2012freedom said:
Obama’s stimulus plan reinstated the tax cut for corporate jet owners. Why didn’t he think it was a problem then? How about when they cut out those tax cuts and people stop buying the private jets and everyone that services those jets, or sells parts for those jets, lose their job? There is always a cost. Just like when they tried the “luxury tax.” They had to repeal it because so many people lost jobs. It doesn’t work. Just because Libs like the sound of “punish the rich” it fails everytime.

because he wanted to appease the republicans and gave tax cuts to 95% of americans. what he didn’t realize is how the republicans thought all they had to do was pass tarp and that would clean up bush’s finacial disaster.

obama was able to stop the loss of jobs (upward of 800,000 a month) when he entered office and pass the stimulus, about 30% being tax cuts. sure, a lot of that was government jobs but i don’t think the people who worked these government jobs that put food on their table really cared how they got them.
yesterdays employment report was disappointing, but i believe if the stimulus wasn’t passed, we would have continued loosing upward of 800,000 jobs a month and the unemployment number would be much higher.

bush’s financial disaster is the worst since the great depression of the 30′s and that lasted what, 10 years with unemployment at 25%? sure, he was wrong when he optimistically said it would stay at 8% but for him to remain in positive numbers as far as job creation compared to what it was is not something to dismiss lightly.

seek said:
that’s what you think. Many have stolen i.d.’s and yes they get benefits etc. That is one of the “problems” that nobody wants to touch.

maybe they should make a law or something.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
maybe they should make a law or something.

Hell, Democrats won’t even allow a law to pass requiring photo ID to vote.

LAPhil said:
Boy, is that naive!

maybe obama should do something about illegal aliens.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/07/obama-teams-to-send-more-troops-to-arizona-mexico-border-but-didnt-tell-mccain-or-kyl/1
nothing he ever does is good enough for you guys.

2012freedom said:
Hell, Democrats won’t even allow a law to pass requiring photo ID to vote.

true, it should be the law

2012freedom said:
Hell, Democrats won’t even allow a law to pass requiring photo ID to vote.

well, now the republicans have the house and they must have plenty of time because they’re not working on and job bills.

where are the jobs mr. boehner?

cjd ohio 1 said:
true, it should be the law

a tamper proof i.d. that would be required by and employer upon hiring. yes, i agree.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
because he wanted to appease the republicans and gave tax cuts to 95% of americans.

He didn’t have to appease Republicans. The Democrats owned the House and the Senate. They passed the bill with 0 Republican votes. Republicans had nothing to do with it.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
well, now the republicans have the house and they must have plenty of time because they’re not working on and job bills.

They can pass anything they want but it still would have to pass the Senate. Ain’t going to happen. The Senate is still owned by the Dems.

thank god current runs olbermann a bunch of different times. i missed his “fridays with thurber”.

2012freedom said:
He didn’t have to appease Republicans. The Democrats owned the House and the Senate. They passed the bill with 0 Republican votes. Republicans had nothing to do with it.

it didn’t matter that the republicans in congress didn’t support it. 95% of americans, whether d or r, rich or poor, all got to enjoy a tax cut.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
it didn’t matter that the republicans in congress didn’t support it. 95% of americans, whether d or r, rich or poor, all got to enjoy a tax cut.

You said Obama gave back the tax credit to the rich for corportate jets to appease Republicans. Now you are saying it doesn’t matter if the Republicans supported it or not.

Let me help you out here. He gave back the tax credit because he knew it works. He likes to talk a good game now about how horrible it is because it sounds really cool to say; “we need to help poor people not people with private jets.” Most people are totally uneducated when it comes to politics and have no idea that he himself gave them back the tax credit just a short time ago. Funny how he never mentions that in his speeches.

Gee..where did Darla go? Probably getting a bit too confusing in here for her so she had to leave.

2012freedom said:
They can pass anything they want but it still would have to pass the Senate. Ain’t going to happen. The Senate is still owned by the Dems.

so what, they should just sit with their hands under their asses? i didn’t stop them from passing a bill to cut funding to planned parenthood.

where are the jobs mr. boehner?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
so what, they should just sit with their hands under their asses? i didn’t stop them from passing a bill to cut funding to planned parenthood.
where are the jobs mr. boehner?

Uhhh…again, they can pass anything they want (for instance your example about Planned Parenthood). It still has to go through the Senate. And again, like your example it went nowhere in the Senate. Republicans only control 1/3 of the equation. Dems control 2/3.

2012freedom said:
You said Obama gave back the tax credit to the rich for corportate jets to appease Republicans. Now you are saying it doesn’t matter if the Republicans supported it or not.

Let me help you out here. He gave back the tax credit because he knew it works. He likes to talk a good game now about how horrible it is because it sounds really cool to say; “we need to help poor people not people with private jets.” Most people are totally uneducated when it comes to politics and have no idea that he himself gave them back the tax credit just a short time ago. Funny how he never mentions that in his speeches.

i don’t know whether a tax cut for corporate jets was included in the 30% of tax cuts in the stimulus and it’s not something that just “really cool to say.” it’s about whether it is more important to cut programs that go to helping middle and low class people than taking back the tax cut that bush gave them and obama extended.
now which group of people are better able to contribute at this difficult time after bush’s financial disaster?
i think we just disagree on priorities.

darladoon said:
yes, if you cut spending, someone pays

if you increase taxes, someone pays

i would just rather those who can afford it to pay, not those who can’t afford it

republicans want the working class to pay more.

i want them to pay less.

Hate to break i to you, bub, we all used to be like you. Young, idealistic. When we start working, some of us actually do notice the cost of doing business.

I have enough money in an IRA rolled over from my first 401k to start the business that I’ve always wanted to do. (my idea, sorry, I’m not sharing) I won’t invest that money right now, so there it sits, as numbers at a bank that won’t invest it right now.

Oh, but Obama’s the shit, right? Let’s stick it to the people who have money.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i don’t know whether a tax cut for corporate jets was included in the 30% of tax cuts in the stimulus and it’s not something that just “really cool to say.” it’s about whether it is more important to cut programs that go to helping middle and low class people than taking back the tax cut that bush gave them and obama extended.
now which group of people are better able to contribute at this difficult time after bush’s financial disaster?
i think we just disagree on priorities.

Yes, it was included. The bottom line is, they tried the luxury tax already. It destroyed jobs. They repealed it. It didn’t bring in any money. Just like this “jet” tax. It will only bring in $300 million per year. That is the same amount as the Federal Government gives to Planned Parenthood and Democrats said that it was such a small amount it didn’t matter when they were arguing to keep the funding for Planned Parenthood.

Rich people spend money. Spending money helps sustain the economy. If you keep taxing the rich they take their business elsewhere. Just like when John Kerry registered his yacht in another state to avoid taxes. They will ALWAYS find a way to avoid taxes if they are taxed too high.

2012freedom said:
Gee..where did Darla go? Probably getting a bit too confusing in here for her so she had to leave.

Just when I was about to “checkmate” her.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
maybe obama should do something about illegal aliens.http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/07/obama-teams-to-send-more-troops-to-arizona-mexico-border-but-didnt-tell-mccain-or-kyl/1nothing he ever does is good enough for you guys.

If you’re falling for Obama’s dog-and-pony show with the National Guard then you’re naive too! Obama wants nothing less than open borders with Mexico and amnesty for all those who are in this country illegally. Fortunately, unlike you, we’re not all falling for his chicanery.

LAPhil said:
Just when I was about to “checkmate” her.

It is soooo easy to do. She only knows enough to blather on with lefty talking points. As soon as you hit her with actual data and facts she goes silent. LOL.

darladoon said:
and then maybe you can tell us, seek, what your deficit reduction plan is.

thank you.

Darla – I have no intention of getting into a mud wrestling match with you. You have no idea what you are talking about – but you keep flapping there kid. Have pointed out all sorts of fallacies that you keep clinging to. That doesn’t make them right kid – it just indicates that you don’t want to debate, you want to preach, but you’re not equipped to preach. You don’t have the facts right but you keep throwing stuff out there, hoping something sticks.

Go argue with yourself, you’ll be a lot more content and nobody will have to tell you the same thing 100 times and you still don’t get it.

toodles

seek said:
Darla – I have no intention of getting into a mud wrestling match with you. You have no idea what you are talking about – but you keep flapping there kid. Have pointed out all sorts of fallacies that you keep clinging to. That doesn’t make them right kid – it just indicates that you don’t want to debate, you want to preach, but you’re not equipped to preach. You don’t have the facts right but you keep throwing stuff out there, hoping something sticks.

Go argue with yourself, you’ll be a lot more content and nobody will have to tell you the same thing 100 times and you still don’t get it.

toodles

translation: i don’t have a deficit reduction plan and my function here is simply to
annoy as many liberals as possible. not actually, you know, debate.

cjd ohio 1 said:
do you think its fair that 50% of people pay no income taxes?

That would depend on how much total income they earned. Out of a group of 100 people, if 10 people earned 90% of the income, with the bottom 40 earning less than just 1 person (the top 1%), then yes, that would be fair. And if they were living in Alaska, it would also be fair that the bottom group got additional money from the government.

cjd ohio 1 said:
you want somebody to pay more

Our government was created, among other reasons, to protect the private land owner’s land from confiscation, theft, and foreign aggression. Why shouldn’t the primary land owners pay more to the government for those services? How is it fair that someone who owns a square foot or less pays the same as someone who owns half a state? Of course we measure our wealth in dollars, not land, today.

TeaPartyNation said:
Bill Maher Openly, Proudly Equates Casey Anthony Verdict With ‘Republican Thinking’ There are three things the lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists NEVER consider: THE TRUTH, THE FACTS and REALITY.Let us point out one of those things: the jury members are from Orlando, which HAS A D-CRAT SOCIALIST MAYOR AND HAS MANY MORE REGISTERED D-CRAT SOCIALIST VOTERS THAN REPUBLICAN VOTERS . Therefore – and this is the difficult party for lunatics – math suggests that the moronic anthony jury had MORE D-CRAT SOCIALISTS THAN REPUBLICANS making their idiotic decisions.

Hey Numb Nutz… What part of socialism do you hate the most? Is it the police department, the fire department, the highway department, the building inspectors, the meat inspectors, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the armed services, the veterans administration, social security, Medicare, the federal aviation administration, FEMA, the EPA or Federal Trade Commission? these are all social services to protect people from corrupt businesses or protect our country that we come together as a country to fund for the protection of all. I believe that is socialism. Which one do you want to get away from first. Please tell me how many jobs you have created Mr. Entrepreneur? Do you have a pension outside of Social Security? Not a 401K or IRA, do you have a pension of your own? Come clean, your just a bigot. You’re a racist and this is your only outlet to spout off your stupidity. I can’t wait to see you when your house is repossesed from deliquint medical bills. LOL!

cjd ohio 1 said:
i told my tax plan…………….40,000or less 5% 80,000 10%, 140,000 15% 225, 000 20%, 300,000and above 25%…….no deductions…..no loopholes all income no matter the source taxed at same rate

how about something like this val, everyone has a vested interest then

cjd ohio 1 said:
how about something like this val, everyone has a vested interest then

How about just a flat tax across the board? Yours is progressive.

cjd ohio 1 said:
how about something like this val, everyone has a vested interest then

Doesn’t sound high enough on the top earners since they earn a disproportionalely high share of the total income.

valkyrie101 said:
Doesn’t sound high enough on the top earners since they earn a disproportionalely high share of the total income.

i think taking a quarter of someones income pretty much

Ann “thrax” Coulter and Chaz Bono -now THERE’S a couple of peas in a pod. One used to be a woman who turned into a man and the other is Chaz Bono!

cjd ohio 1 said:
i think taking a quarter of someones income pretty much

That depends on how much they earn.

valkyrie101 said:
That depends on how much they earn.

well thats where we disagree then

For once I agree with Bill… let’s raise the hell out of taxes on the rich – let’s start with HBO and maybe when the belt tightening starts, they’ll get rid of idealog shows and stick with straight entertainment. Good luck finding a new job Bill, I mean you are the one that shouted the loudest. Adios Amigos~~!!!!!!

Bill should stop bitching and pay more taxes. I’m tired of rich people like him getting away with murder.

valkyrie101 said:
While CEOs earn up 100 million a year is salary.

At least the CEO earned that salary.

timzank said:
Get the fu*k over it already.

They can’t.. they’re like a pitbull when it comes to class warfare.

valkyrie101 said:
So you are good with large CEO, and corporate executive salaries? In 2010, Standard & Poor’s 500 Index company CEOs received, on average, $11.4 million in total compensation.

Answer this question for me honestly, Valkyrie. If you were hired to be a CEO for one of these corporations, and they wanted to give you a $10+ million salary if you performed for the company and made it profitable, would you refuse that salary, saying you didn’t deserve it? Seriously… give me an honest answer.

None of the class-warfare fools out there could honestly say they wouldn’t keep the same damn salary, if offered and earned.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
50% of the population doesn’t pay taxes? they are probably the ones that destroyed the economy. they probably took the money they saved from taxes and went out to buy jets and yachts.

Who the frack do you think MAKES those boats and aircraft? BLUE-COLLAR WORKERS, fool! You want to demonize someone for buying “luxuries?” Then be ready to explain your outrage to the workers who will be laid off when their boat or aircraft manufacturing companies fold. Geez, you folks really are tools.

He’s exactly right, but not the way he thinks. The jury verdict is in line with Republican thinking; Republicans make choices based on the law, and not on raw emotion like their Democrat counterparts.

cjd ohio 1 said:
well thats where we disagree then

Each year our government expends trillions protecting our nation and administering its laws and Constitutional duties. As a direct result of that, one small group of people, the top 10%, control two thirds of America’s net worth. Obviously we should be looking to that 10% to pay two thirds of the overall yearly nut. That will require a higher tax rate on the upper bracket than 25%.

MsUnderestimated said:
Answer this question for me honestly, Valkyrie. If you were hired to be a CEO for one of these corporations, and they wanted to give you a $10+ million salary if you performed for the company and made it profitable, would you refuse that salary, saying you didn’t deserve it? Seriously… give me an honest answer. None of the class-warfare fools out there could honestly say they wouldn’t keep the same damn salary, if offered and earned.

I do not play that game, but if I did, I would feel quite guilty making that kind of money while so many people are unemployed, especially if I worked as a CEO in an industry that has been laying people off. I would feel the same way if I was an over paid union boss, too, as far as that goes.

First taxes – even though this thread is not about taxes, all I have to say is that anyone who can’t understand that the progressive tax system is the only humane and sensible way you can run a country, has serious problems, and if you don’t get that you’re most likely a rightwinger and someone who is in perpetual denial about reality. Rightwingers have come to symbolize both people who are slaves to the worst elements of the system and the blindest of hypocrites.
My real comments are about Bill Maher’s comments. I understand the part about the ‘not guilty’ verdict although it does seem plausible that Casey Anthony’s daughter died in an accident and because the family was so dysfunctional, they freaked out, didn’t report the death and hid the body. I’m surprised at all the bloodlust for Casey’s execution. I’m almost certain that statistics will show that much larger number of Republicans are gung-ho, like Bush and Perry, for the death penalty. Really great Christians. Yes, Christ was a liberal and would definitely be against capital punishment and the rich not paying their way in society. By the way, as much as rightwingers hate Maher, he’s one of the great comedians and social commentators, and is on the money most of the time, but he’s a little bit too much into bloodlust himself on this one.

NewsBusters: Coulter Exposes Maher As An Environmental Hypocrite
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/07/09/ann-coulter-exposes-bill-mahers-private-jet-tax-hypocrisy

ganymede said:
First taxes – even though this thread is not about taxes, all I have to say is that anyone who can’t understand that the progressive tax system is the only humane and sensible way you can run a country, has serious problems, and if you don’t get that you’re most likely a rightwinger and someone who is in perpetual denial about reality. Rightwingers have come to symbolize both people who are slaves to the worst elements of the system and the blindest of hypocrites.
My real comments are about Bill Maher’s comments. I understand the part about the ‘not guilty’ verdict although it does seem plausible that Casey Anthony’s daughter died in an accident and because the family was so dysfunctional, they freaked out, didn’t report the death and hid the body. I’m surprised at all the bloodlust for Casey’s execution. I’m almost certain that statistics will show that much larger number of Republicans are gung-ho, like Bush and Perry, for the death penalty. Really great Christians. Yes, Christ was a liberal and would definitely be against capital punishment and the rich not paying their way in society. By the way, as much as rightwingers hate Maher, he’s one of the great comedians and social commentators, and is on the money most of the time, but he’s a little bit too much into bloodlust himself on this one.

Sorry but great and Maher don’t belong in the same sentence. The guy is a creepy lowlife with a foul mouth. In fact he has no redeeming qualities. Years ago I thought he was funny – but much like Letterman, he’s just a radical left angry old dude.

271 comments in one day?
I have been working the wrong threads today! This is my first comment.
Bill Maher must really be able to get a reaction.
I actually miss last weekend’s Fleabag University debate.

For Bill Maher to be getting this response, he must be doing something right.

God Damn it, I would rather be a foul mouth than drink the Jesus Juice.

Classic video and song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw
Jesus He Knows Me: lyrics

Do you see the face on the TV screen
Coming at you every Sunday
See the face on the billboard
That man is me
On the cover of the magazine
There’s no question why I’m smiling
You buy a piece of paradise
You get a piece of me
I’ll get you everything you wanted
I’ll get you everything you need
Don’t need to believe in hereafter
Just believe in me
Cos Jesus he knows me
And he knows I’m right
I’ve been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I’m right
And he’s been telling me
Everything is alright
I believe in the family
With my ever loving wife beside me
But she don’t know about my girlfriend
Or the man I met last night
Do you believe in God
Cos that is what I’m selling
And if you wanna go to heaven
I’ll see you right
You won’t even have to leave your house
Or get out of your chair
You don’t even have to touch that dial
Cos I’m everywhere
And Jesus he knows me
And he knows I’m right
I’ve been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I’m right
And he’s been telling me
Everything is alright
You won’t find me practising what I’m preaching
Won’t find me making no sacrifice
But I get you a pocketful of miracles
If you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
Just do as I say, don’t do as I do
I’m counting my blessings
I’ve found true happiness
Cos I’m getting richer, day by day
You can find me in the phone book
Just call my toll free number
You can do it anyway you want
Just do it right away
They’ll be no doubt in your mind
You’ll believe everything I’m saying
If wanna get closer to him
Get on your knees and start praying
Cos Jesus he knows me
And he knows I’m right
I’ve been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I’m right
And he’s been telling me
Everything is alright

I saw the whole program and the way Bill Maher put it in context was absolutely right and no one can argue that. Sad but true.

seek said:
Sorry but great and Maher don’t belong in the same sentence. The guy is a creepy lowlife with a foul mouth. In fact he has no redeeming qualities. Years ago I thought he was funny – but much like Letterman, he’s just a radical left angry old dude.

But it’s hard sometimes to actually listen to what he’s saying but his analogies of the current Repulican/teabagger party are absouletly correct.

glenn113 said:
But it’s hard sometimes to actually listen to what he’s saying but his analogies of the current Repulican/teabagger party are absouletly correct.

Well of course they are – because he’s not bashing the left. Anything anyone does, no matter how distasteful in reality is fine by you if it’s done to the right.

Take pride in being a jerk.

Nature Freak said:
Classic video and song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw
Jesus He Knows Me: lyrics

Do you see the face on the TV screen
Coming at you every Sunday
See the face on the billboard
That man is me
On the cover of the magazine
There’s no question why I’m smiling
You buy a piece of paradise
You get a piece of me
I’ll get you everything you wanted
I’ll get you everything you need
Don’t need to believe in hereafter
Just believe in me
Cos Jesus he knows me
And he knows I’m right
I’ve been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I’m right
And he’s been telling me
Everything is alright
I believe in the family
With my ever loving wife beside me
But she don’t know about my girlfriend
Or the man I met last night
Do you believe in God
Cos that is what I’m selling
And if you wanna go to heaven
I’ll see you right
You won’t even have to leave your house
Or get out of your chair
You don’t even have to touch that dial
Cos I’m everywhere
And Jesus he knows me
And he knows I’m right
I’ve been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I’m right
And he’s been telling me
Everything is alright
You won’t find me practising what I’m preaching
Won’t find me making no sacrifice
But I get you a pocketful of miracles
If you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
Just do as I say, don’t do as I do
I’m counting my blessings
I’ve found true happiness
Cos I’m getting richer, day by day
You can find me in the phone book
Just call my toll free number
You can do it anyway you want
Just do it right away
They’ll be no doubt in your mind
You’ll believe everything I’m saying
If wanna get closer to him
Get on your knees and start praying
Cos Jesus he knows me
And he knows I’m right
I’ve been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows I’m right
And he’s been telling me
Everything is alright

Do you get paid by the word? Old and freaking lame.

seek said:
Well of course they are – because he’s not bashing the left. Anything anyone does, no matter how distasteful in reality is fine by you if it’s done to the right. Take pride in being a jerk.

Nah, I take pride in the truth my pluto friend:http://micahwright.com/antiwar/greedypigs.jpg

http://micahwright.com/antiwar/greedypigs.jpg

glenn113 said:
Nah, I take pride in the truth my pluto friend:http://micahwright.com/antiwar/greedypigs.jpg

save yourself the effort – would not bother to open any attachment you deem informative, funny, necessary or other.

You are not a deep thinker bro. Just another lefty who couldn’t think for himself if he was paid to.

seek said:
Sorry but great and Maher don’t belong in the same sentence. The guy is a creepy lowlife with a foul mouth. In fact he has no redeeming qualities. Years ago I thought he was funny – but much like Letterman, he’s just a radical left angry old dude.

You have no redeeming qualities, are you two related?

darladoon said:
“illegal” aliens don’t receive social security and medicaid payments

They most certainly do. Its been estimated that there are millions of fake social security cards out there. Do you favor arresting and deporting anyone with a fake social security card?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
maybe they should make a law or something.

Maybe they should enforce it.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
a tamper proof i.d. that would be required by and employer upon hiring. yes, i agree.

I’m a contractor. Whenever I am processed for a new contract I have to present at least two forms of proof of indentity. Seems the private companies I work for are already doing this.

valkyrie101 said:
That would depend on how much total income they earned. Out of a group of 100 people, if 10 people earned 90% of the income, with the bottom 40 earning less than just 1 person (the top 1%), then yes, that would be fair. And if they were living in Alaska, it would also be fair that the bottom group got additional money from the government.

In other words, unequal treatment if fair to you if you don’t like the group being treated unequally.

valkyrie101 said:
Our government was created, among other reasons, to protect the private land owner’s land from confiscation, theft, and foreign aggression. Why shouldn’t the primary land owners pay more to the government for those services? How is it fair that someone who owns a square foot or less pays the same as someone who owns half a state? Of course we measure our wealth in dollars, not land, today.

You mean you never heard of property taxes?

Nature Freak said:
271 comments in one day?I have been working the wrong threads today! This is my first comment.Bill Maher must really be able to get a reaction.I actually miss last weekend’s Fleabag University debate.

Every weekend here, Maher rules.

RichS said:
You mean you never heard of property taxes?

So your local government protects you from the taliban?

RichS said:
In other words, unequal treatment if fair to you if you don’t like the group being treated unequally.

Its not a game of monopoly. Our national production is a function of all our citizens, including labor, not just the rich who happen to own boardwalk and park place.

In other words valk thinks there should be additional Federal Tax on the land you own and where it is located.
ok then.

We would have to set up another Government agency to oversee that. Hey, a job creation program and a money maker all rolled into one! Why didn’t I think of that?

Maher is gross.

seek said:
In other words valk thinks there should be additional Federal Tax on the land you own and where it is located.ok then. We would have to set up another Government agency to oversee that. Hey, a job creation program and a money maker all rolled into one! Why didn’t I think of that?

The way this land issue came up was on page 11:

Valkyrie101 said: “Our government was created, among other reasons, to protect the private land owner’s land from confiscation, theft, and foreign aggression. Why shouldn’t the primary land owners pay more to the government for those services? How is it fair that someone who owns a square foot or less pays the same as someone who owns half a state? Of course we measure our wealth in dollars, not land, today.”

So we are not at all talking about land, but monetary wealth, and the equity of the super rich paying a share comensurate to their income and assets.

valkyrie101 said:
The way this land issue came up was on page 11:

Valkyrie101 said: “Our government was created, among other reasons, to protect the private land owner’s land from confiscation, theft, and foreign aggression. Why shouldn’t the primary land owners pay more to the government for those services? How is it fair that someone who owns a square foot or less pays the same as someone who owns half a state? Of course we measure our wealth in dollars, not land, today.”

So we are not at all talking about land, but monetary wealth, and the equity of the super rich paying a share comensurate to their income and assets.

so every year you would tax their assets – not their income. So the guy who puts his assets into gold is safe – the guy who puts his assets into property is taxed. Is that what you are saying?

Every year the assets would be valued by? Your scheme would require people to be honest about their assets.
If I have a coin collection valued at millions (if I could find a buyer) – you would want to tax me on the value I put on it. Or would there be a bureaucrat somewhere who would search my home and tell me what I have that they would want to tax and it would depend on how well I hid it. hmm

I’m sure you realize that you would be taxing the same asset over and over and over again. They paid taxes on it when they bought it and they paid taxes on it when they sold it but you want them to pay taxes for just “having” it.

My God Valk – that’s worse than socialism. I don’t have a freaking clue what you would call that kind of taxing system besides “get out of the Country fast tax”.

seek said:
so every year you would tax their assets – not their income. So the guy who puts his assets into gold is safe – the guy who puts his assets into property is taxed. Is that what you are saying? Every year the assets would be valued by? Your scheme would require people to be honest about their assets.If I have a coin collection valued at millions (if I could find a buyer) – you would want to tax me on the value I put on it. Or would there be a bureaucrat somewhere who would search my home and tell me what I have that they would want to tax and it would depend on how well I hid it. hmm I’m sure you realize that you would be taxing the same asset over and over and over again. They paid taxes on it when they bought it and they paid taxes on it when they sold it but you want them to pay taxes for just “having” it.

No, I was not specific. Of course it was trump who advocated for a one time 13% tax on the wealthy to clean up the dept.

debt.

This wouldn’t be the first time Bill Maher used murder and the death of innocents to dishonestly push a political agenda and partisan bias.

Casey Anthony lies like a Republican.

Rokker said:
Casey Anthony lies like a Republican.

Another brilliant statement from you Sam.

Glenn Beck, I mean, Davis, spare us the lame commentary.

The only “dumb ass” is the person who see a crime with out all the facts in place. Yes, she never reported her child missing but where is the rest of the facts to support your conviction. You can’t assume or form an opinion without making your self look like an ASS.

This is why the jury set her free, no proof only dumb asses thinking she did it, which she may have but without the proof then can’t convict.

Maybe the MEDIA should find ways to stay out of the courts if they can’t see all the facts and then publish after the verdict instead of always convicting the alleged suspect. Then there may be JUSTICE in high profile caes.

As far as the REPUBLICAN comment, you might want to include the DEMOCRATES also since we have both of them in our GOVT. that can’t ever seem to get anything done right. Just talk is what I have heard for 45 years.

It is always the same no matter who is in office or what the subject matter. One side against the other instead of working together for the good of all. No teamwork here, always my way or the highway from both sides of the fence.

So what does that mean I am???? I ‘m nuetral is what I believe, don’t really care for either side.

Maher is very knowledgeable about republicans, and all politicians for that matter. He’s brilliant

If the current GOP crop fails, Harm Libel may wish he still had them to kick around after their replacements get started.

RichS said:
You mean you never heard of property taxes?

Now you want Federal Real Estate Taxes? What next? Perhaps you can figure out a way to tax us on the taxes that we pay?

valkyrie101 said:
Its not a game of monopoly. Our national production is a function of all our citizens, including labor, not just the rich who happen to own boardwalk and park place.

I see you decided not to answer my question.

valkyrie101 said:
The way this land issue came up was on page 11: Valkyrie101 said: “Our government was created, among other reasons, to protect the private land owner’s land from confiscation, theft, and foreign aggression. Why shouldn’t the primary land owners pay more to the government for those services? How is it fair that someone who owns a square foot or less pays the same as someone who owns half a state? Of course we measure our wealth in dollars, not land, today.” So we are not at all talking about land, but monetary wealth, and the equity of the super rich paying a share comensurate to their income and assets.

So, you favor “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”

Why does that sound so familiar?

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Maher could not have said it any better. There’s always truth behind satire. Maher execellent as usual.