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Bill Maher: “The Problem Isn’t Too Little Civility… It’s That There’s Too Much”

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After briefly discussing Keith Olbermann’s fate with Rachel Maddow, Bill Maher closed out Real Time by donning his contrarian cap and taking on the issue of civility in political discourse. Some, like President Barack Obama, want more of it. Maher wants less. Why? Well, as Maher sees it, “civility” and ‘finding common ground” really only benefits Republicans.

Maher ridiculed bipartisan State of the Union seating as an idea out of “an episode of Glee,” and then ridiculed the idea that “forced niceties” would make another tragedy similar to the Tucson shooting any less likely:

“A lunatic uses a Glock to shoot 19 people, and our answer is, ‘Don’t try to control guns or nuts, just be more polite.’ Now, I’m just a hockey mom, but it seems to me when a madman kills people, the problem isn’t the First Amendment – it’s the Second.”

He went on to say that Republican praise for Obama’s speech benefited the party politically, as “the party of assault weapons didn’t get blamed for the assault.” (He also felt the party avoided deserved blame on the oil spill and the 2008 financial crisis.) And he had harsh words for Obama himself, criticizing him for never blaming Republicans when he gets the chance, “because he wants them to like him so badly.”

Then there was a weird line about Obama doing everything humanly possible to make Republicans happy “except using bleach,” (perhaps meant as a dig at Republicans for not accepting Obama because he’s black?), and a shot at Democrats in general for only ever finding “common ground…right where the Republican was already standing.” Maher then turned the focus back to gun control/lack thereof, and said Republicans “never move an inch on anything.” Of course, a provocative rant, but not exactly breaking new ground for Maher. Video, via HBO, below.

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  • Pablo

    Maher is sort of half right in his usual drug-addled half wrong way. Holding hands and making nice noises at each other doesn’t solve problems or settle debates.

  • Harry Flashman

    You know, he’s right – there IS too much civility.

    The left spouts vile hatred at anyone who doesn’t toe their progressive line and the right does nothing (with a few exceptions like Limbaugh and Beck who are then ridiculed by the leftists media as radicals).

    The left goes on MSNBC and and howl in chorus with the anchors there about the right, calling them names and hurling epithets with slobbering glee and the right responds tepidly at best.

    Idiots like Maher and Michael Moore say totally ourageous, sneering things about the right and middle America in general (note the above) and conservatives turn their heads and cough politely.

    He’s right. There IS too much civility. If the right began to respond forcefully to fools like this, to loudly and publicly point at them and dismantle their arguments with reason – and a megaphone – pipsqueaks like Maher would be put where they beleong – on the fringes of public discourse.

    There’s too much civility all right, but not the way he thinks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Lascar/100000889579338 Ed Lascar

    I wonder how much time Maher has yet on air. He is going from ridiculous to irrelevant as days pass by!

  • notsofast

    Hey Bill, did ya hear about KO?

    You are next.

  • Color Me Badd

    Pablo said:
    Maher is sort of half right in his usual drug-addled half wrong way. Holding hands and making nice noises at each other doesn’t solve problems or settle debates.

    Drug addled, Tee Hee. WTF is your excuse?

  • Color Me Badd

    Right on Bill, Obama is a golden retriever. NObama is a total wimp. Even if he woke up white tomorrow they would still hate him. Jesus and bacon indeed.

  • notsofast

    “A lunatic uses a Glock to shoot 19 people, and our answer is, ‘Don’t try to control guns or nuts, just be more polite.’ Now, I’m just a hockey mom, but it seems to me when a madman kills people, the problem isn’t the First Amendment – it’s the Second.”

    Yes Bill, let’s abolish an amendment every time a nut abuses a right. In one day you loser lying libs would have the 1st. amendment abolished forever.

  • notsofast

    Color Me Badd said:
    Right on Bill, Obama is a golden retriever. NObama is a total wimp. Even if he woke up white tomorrow they would still hate him. Jesus and bacon indeed.

    More racism from the left!

    No surprise.

    “Then there was a weird line about Obama doing everything humanly possible to make Republicans happy “except using bleach,” (perhaps meant as a dig at Republicans for not accepting Obama because he’s black?),”

    Wow- are you a dense lib! It’s more of Bill’s racism- get used to it and recognize it. Your lib shilling is clouding your perception.

  • RichS

    Isn’t Mahar’s HBO audience made up mostly of people who have tuned their sets to HBO but are doing something else until Real Sex comes on?

  • RichS

    notsofast said:
    “A lunatic uses a Glock to shoot 19 people, and our answer is, ‘Don’t try to control guns or nuts, just be more polite.’ Now, I’m just a hockey mom, but it seems to me when a madman kills people, the problem isn’t the First Amendment – it’s the Second.” Yes Bill, let’s abolish an amendment every time a nut abuses a right. In one day you loser lying libs would have the 1st. amendment abolished forever.

    No, Bill Maher is absolutely right. We should make it illegal to own guns. We all know that when something is illegal on one would dare do it! Why that would be criminal!

  • notsofast

    RichS said:
    No, Bill Maher is absolutely right. We should make it illegal to own guns. We all know that when something is illegal on one would dare do it!!

    True! I’m so glad we don’t allow peole to rob banks.

  • Pablo

    Color Me Dumbb said:
    Drug addled, Tee Hee. WTF is your excuse?

    What was this comment supposed to mean? Was there a reason you posted it, CMD?

  • DwightScrute

    Bill Maher has proven time and again that politics doesn’t matter to him. Money matters to him. Ratings make money. Incivility makes ratings.

    He did the same thing back when he was supposedly a conservative. And again when he was supposedly a libertarian. Why should it be different now that he’s supposedly a liberal?

    The guy is full of sh!t.

  • valkyrie101

    If the NRA right is unwilling to compromise on some reasonable and prudent restrictions on gun ownership, the backlash will be repeal of the 2nd Amendment. There are about 80 million gun owners and close to 300 million guns. A democratic backlash by non-gun owners could not be stopped, constitutionally. In their arrogance, the right is pulling the rubber band way way back.

  • valkyrie101

    #1 reason for owning guns? Fear.

  • valkyrie101

    Fear of other gun owners.

  • RichS

    valkyrie101 said:
    If the NRA right is unwilling to compromise on some reasonable and prudent restrictions on gun ownership, the backlash will be repeal of the 2nd Amendment. There are about 80 million gun owners and close to 300 million guns. A democratic backlash by non-gun owners could not be stopped, constitutionally. In their arrogance, the right is pulling the rubber band way way back.

    There are about 133 million registered voters in the US and, according to you 80 million gun owners. An amendment has to be passed by two thirds of both houses of congress and three quarters of the states. Please do the math before making any other idiotic statements.

    By the way, my next door neighbor owns four long guns and three hand guns. I do not live in fear of my next door neighbor. When I was in college I was threatened by a drug dealer, he showed me his hand gun so I would know that I should be worried. I was scared and then very relieved when the police told me he had been stabbed to death the day after he threatened me. Of these two people I mentioned, which do you think would no longer own a gun if it were illegal?

    By the way, my neighbor always carries a concealed hand gun and I live in the State of New Jersey.

  • Harry Flashman

    valkyrie said:

    “#1 reason for owning guns? Fear.”

    “Fear of other gun owners”.

    No.

    Other “gun owners” aren’t the ones who stick a pistol in your face for your money.

    Other “gun owners” aren’t the ones who come into your house at night.

    Other “gun owners” aren’t the ones who make a woman afraid to walk to her car in a parking garage after work.

    Other “gun owners” aren’t the ones who victimize the elderly like the ones who just dragged that old lady down the street after trying to steal her purse.

    In fact, other “gun owners” are almost always law abiding citizens who just want to live their lives in safety from predators WHO DON’T CARE A DAMN ABOUT GUN LAWS.

    There are millions of “gun owners” in this country who bought their guns legally and with few exceptions they aren’t the ones killing people. The criminals are.

    Tell you what, take a stroll at night here in New Orleans. If you get the chance, ask the guy who puts a gun in your face if he bought it legally or not.

    Your statement is the usual liberal stupidity.

  • shortstopk

    Civility or lack thereof isn’t the problem. It’s A problem, but mostly it’s because the incivility is a shortcut around discussing specifics. Nobody is prepared to say why they disagree a policy or another politician, they just come up with some theory as to WHY they have their position. Calling Obama a socialist or calling healthcare reform a government takeover excuses you from explaining specific disagreements. Having a problem with mandated healthcare is completely valid. So is disagreeing with funding it for lower incomes. So is disagreeing with tax penalties for those who don’t have it. So is the overall cost. These people should make the argument. Yet nobody (at least on television) ever explains in detail why these things are bad. They shortcut to “government takeover” which is inaccurate, and they don’t say HOW it’s a government takeover.

    Likewise, calling Bush a moron or alleging that the war is a favor to Haliburton is a shortcut around explaining why you disagree with the invasion of Iraq and what you would have done differently.

    Biggest problem is that outside NPR or PBS, nobody on television or radio devotes extended amounts of time so these discussions can occur. And even they devote enough time to it.

  • The Real Royal King

    RichS said:
    There are about 133 million registered voters in the US and, according to you 80 million gun owners. An amendment has to be passed by two thirds of both houses of congress and three quarters of the states. Please do the math before making any other idiotic statements. By the way, my next door neighbor owns four long guns and three hand guns. I do not live in fear of my next door neighbor. When I was in college I was threatened by a drug dealer, he showed me his hand gun so I would know that I should be worried. I was scared and then very relieved when the police told me he had been stabbed to death the day after he threatened me. Of these two people I mentioned, which do you think would no longer own a gun if it were illegal? By the way, my neighbor always carries a concealed hand gun and I live in the State of New Jersey.

    I have to agree with you. I live in Texas where every hothead, moron, idiot and drunkard is fully armed. We haven’t had any gun murders in decades. You will recall when Big Dick Cheney got tanked up and shot Harry Whittington in the face, Mr. Whittington didn’t die. I don’t think anything else needs to be said.

  • The Real Royal King

    shortstopk said:
    Biggest problem is that outside NPR or PBS, nobody on television or radio devotes extended amounts of time so these discussions can occur.

    Absulotely correct. Yet, cable “news” has more time to fill than news programming has ever had it America. Unfortunately, it’s filled with fluff or venom.

  • The Real Royal King

    Harry Flashman said:
    valkyrie said: “#1 reason for owning guns? Fear.” “Fear of other gun owners”. No. Other “gun owners” aren’t the ones who stick a pistol in your face for your money. Other “gun owners” aren’t the ones who come into your house at night. Other “gun owners” aren’t the ones who make a woman afraid to walk to her car in a parking garage after work. Other “gun owners” aren’t the ones who victimize the elderly like the ones who just dragged that old lady down the street after trying to steal her purse. In fact, other “gun owners” are almost always law abiding citizens who just want to live their lives in safety from predators WHO DON’T CARE A DAMN ABOUT GUN LAWS. There are millions of “gun owners” in this country who bought their guns legally and with few exceptions they aren’t the ones killing people. The criminals are. Tell you what, take a stroll at night here in New Orleans. If you get the chance, ask the guy who puts a gun in your face if he bought it legally or not. Your statement is the usual liberal stupidity.

    Indeed, we need more shoot-outs, don’t we? The more guns we have, the less likely it is they will be used? Impeccable logic, I say, impeccable logic on your part.

  • valkyrie101

    RichS said:
    There are about 133 million registered voters in the US and, according to you 80 million gun owners. An amendment has to be passed by two thirds of both houses of congress and three quarters of the states. Please do the math before making any other idiotic statements. By the way, my next door neighbor owns four long guns and three hand guns. I do not live in fear of my next door neighbor. When I was in college I was threatened by a drug dealer, he showed me his hand gun so I would know that I should be worried. I was scared and then very relieved when the police told me he had been stabbed to death the day after he threatened me. Of these two people I mentioned, which do you think would no longer own a gun if it were illegal? By the way, my neighbor always carries a concealed hand gun and I live in the State of New Jersey.

    I was under the impression that self defense, and in particular, defense against someone wielding a gun, was the #1 reason for owning a gun? Surely you do not deny that. So, like I said: #1 reason for owning a gun? Fear.

    As for repeal of the 2nd Amendment, you are so right that it would be difficult to do, but if people get pissed off enough, they will democratically mobilize. There may be only 133 million or so registered voters now, but there are 210 million potential voters. And I dare say, probably a high percentage of gun owners are not registered voters, and probably too paranoid to become so. The point I was making is that the no compromise approach of the NRA crowd is like an ostrich sticking its head in the ground to avoid an approaching lion.

  • The Real Royal King

    valkyrie101 said:
    I was under the impression that self defense, and in particular, defense against someone wielding a gun, was the #1 reason for owning a gun? Surely you do not deny that. So, like I said: #1 reason for owning a gun? Fear. As for repeal of the 2nd Amendment, you are so right that it would be difficult to do, but if people get pissed off enough, they will democratically mobilize. There may be only 133 million or so registered voters now, but there are 210 million potential voters. And I dare say, probably a high percentage of gun owners are not registered voters, and probably too paranoid to become so. The point I was making is that the no compromise approach of the NRA crowd is like an ostrich sticking its head in the ground to avoid an approaching lion.

    Repeal of the Second Amendment is not even necessary. It is the most narrow of rights. All we really need is lawmakers with the ethics and the cajones to stand up to the NRA. Of course, the NRA has been a wondrously flowing teat for our ethically charged lawmakers for years.

  • Dem4Ever

    Color Me Badd said:
    Right on Bill, Obama is a golden retriever. NObama is a total wimp. Even if he woke up white tomorrow they would still hate him. Jesus and bacon indeed.

    It’s not about hating Obama.  It’s about disagreeing with his policies.  However, your acknowledgement that the Right aren’t interested in his skin color is welcome, if not just a bit shocking. 

  • The Real Royal King

    Dem4Ever said:
    It’s not about hating Obama.  It’s about disagreeing with his policies.  However, your acknowledgement that the Right aren’t interested in his skin color is welcome, if not just a bit shocking. 

    I don’t know, they couldn’t get rid of their first and last African American RNC chairman fast enough.

  • Powerslave

    The Real Royal King said:
    I don’t know, they couldn’t get rid of their first and last African American RNC chairman fast enough.

    Yeah, I’m sure you’re all broken up about it.

  • RichS

    The Real Royal King said:
    I have to agree with you. I live in Texas where every hothead, moron, idiot and drunkard is fully armed. We haven’t had any gun murders in decades. You will recall when Big Dick Cheney got tanked up and shot Harry Whittington in the face, Mr. Whittington didn’t die. I don’t think anything else needs to be said.

    Please provide proof that Dick Cheney was “tanked up”. And if you do, try to use the same login ID you are using for the quoted comment.

  • Powerslave

    The Real Royal King said:
    I have to agree with you. I live in Texas where every hothead, moron, idiot and drunkard is fully armed. We haven’t had any gun murders in decades. You will recall when Big Dick Cheney got tanked up and shot Harry Whittington in the face, Mr. Whittington didn’t die. I don’t think anything else needs to be said.

    No gun deaths despite everyone being armed. Yet here in Chicago while guns were banned we were the murder capital of the U.S.

  • cjd ohio 1

    valkyrie101 said:
    I was under the impression that self defense, and in particular, defense against someone wielding a gun, was the #1 reason for owning a gun? Surely you do not deny that. So, like I said: #1 reason for owning a gun? Fear. As for repeal of the 2nd Amendment, you are so right that it would be difficult to do, but if people get pissed off enough, they will democratically mobilize. There may be only 133 million or so registered voters now, but there are 210 million potential voters. And I dare say, probably a high percentage of gun owners are not registered voters, and probably too paranoid to become so. The point I was making is that the no compromise approach of the NRA crowd is like an ostrich sticking its head in the ground to avoid an approaching lion.

    then will come get enough to repeal the 1st amendment too huh……. i thought liberals love civil rights, guess not………by the way do you have locks on your house……know why….fear

  • Powerslave

    Powerslave said:
    murder capital of the U.S.

    Which was, BTW, one of the main reasons the 2016 Olympics waved bye bye to Chicago.

  • RichS

    The Real Royal King said:
    Indeed, we need more shoot-outs, don’t we? The more guns we have, the less likely it is they will be used? Impeccable logic, I say, impeccable logic on your part.

    You have nothing of substance to say, as usual, so you use inuendo and misdirection. I can’t remember the last time I read a story in the paper or saw one on the news about a shoot-out between or among legal gun owners. I know there are lots of stories about gang shoot outs and police having shoot outs with criminals, you think these people wouldn’t have their guns if the law said they shouldn’t? Do you think most crimes are committed with legal guns? And, the root question, do you think?

  • Patrick Henry

    The Real Royal King said:
    I don’t know, they couldn’t get rid of their first and last African American RNC chairman fast enough.

    And you believe that was due to his race. Figures.

  • RichS

    valkyrie101 said:
    I was under the impression that self defense, and in particular, defense against someone wielding a gun, was the #1 reason for owning a gun? Surely you do not deny that. So, like I said: #1 reason for owning a gun? Fear. As for repeal of the 2nd Amendment, you are so right that it would be difficult to do, but if people get pissed off enough, they will democratically mobilize. There may be only 133 million or so registered voters now, but there are 210 million potential voters. And I dare say, probably a high percentage of gun owners are not registered voters, and probably too paranoid to become so. The point I was making is that the no compromise approach of the NRA crowd is like an ostrich sticking its head in the ground to avoid an approaching lion.

    Please provide a reference that shows you assumption that the number one reason to own a gun is self defense. Everyone I know who legally owns a gun(s) does so to hunt, or target shoot, or collect.

    Also, you “dare say, probably a high percentage of gun owners are not registered voters now”. Other than your imagination, what makes you say that. Everyone I know who legally owns a gun(s) are not only registered voters, but actually vote. Not only do you make up “facts” about gun owners not voting but you go on to say they don’t vote because they are paranoid? You seem more like an ostrich sticking its head in the ground so it can avoid what is really happening in the world and can be content to live with what it imagines instead.

  • RichS

    The Real Royal King said:
    Repeal of the Second Amendment is not even necessary. It is the most narrow of rights. All we really need is lawmakers with the ethics and the cajones to stand up to the NRA. Of course, the NRA has been a wondrously flowing teat for our ethically charged lawmakers for years.

    Is it “the most narrow of rights” because a racist like you says so? Seems the Real Racist King is another ostrich.

  • RichS

    The Real Royal King said:
    I don’t know, they couldn’t get rid of their first and last African American RNC chairman fast enough.

    Lying by omission again, racist. From 2001 until 2011, not counting the present RNC Chairman who just took office, there have been seven RNC Chairman. Seems the first African American RNC chairman served for longer that the average of .7 years as Chairman of the party that was formed to abolish slavery. Do you have any other lies to peddle today?

  • RichS

    RichS said:
    Lying by omission again, racist. From 2001 until 2011, not counting the present RNC Chairman who just took office, there have been seven RNC Chairman. Seems the first African American RNC chairman served for longer that the average of .7 years as Chairman of the party that was formed to abolish slavery. Do you have any other lies to peddle today?

    Oh, I forgot to ask, how many Chairmen of the DNC have been black?

  • notsofast

    The Real Royal King said:
    I don’t know, they couldn’t get rid of their first and last African American RNC chairman fast enough.

    Sorry son, you racists, err lefties, from day one referred to him as an Uncle Tom, so shut your noise!

  • writer

    I think Maher was right when he said that Obama should act like a ‘real’ black man and carry a gun in his pants. Of course, if it were to go off during a speech, the Secret Service would have to jump on him.

  • Pablo

    valkyrie101 said:
    #1 reason for owning guns? Fear.

    Oh. Is that why the cops are armed, because they’re scared?

  • notsofast

    valkyrie101 said:
    If the NRA right is unwilling to compromise on some reasonable and prudent restrictions on gun ownership, the backlash will be repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

    No, son- if you want to put limits on the type of ammo and how much can be in a magazine, go for it. That doesn’t abridge the 2nd amendment.

  • notsofast

    valkyrie101 said:
    #1 reason for owning guns? Fear.

    Pablo said:

    Oh. Is that why the cops are armed, because they’re scared?

    Yes, our Marines are shaking in their boots everyday.

  • Pablo

    Why does my house have a roof? I’m afraid of rain. Why do I have heat? I’m afraid of cold. A kitchen? I’m afraid of hunger. My internet connection? That’s because I’m afraid I’ll miss those nuggets of valk’s wisdom.

  • notsofast

    Pablo said:
    I’ll miss those nuggets of valk’s wisdom.

    BTW, he is a self-avowed Socialist so his position on the 2nd. amendment is no surprise.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Westover/1496648721 Tony Westover

    Bill Maher isn’t a contrarian, he’s just a dick.

    And he’s not even original. Days before this Glenn Beck said that people shouldn’t tone down their rhetoric. And anyone with more than half a brain (which excludes Maher of course) know that the solution to hate speech is more speech, not censorship.

  • Real Royal Spelling and Grammar Czar

    The Real Royal King said:
    Absulotely

    Absolutely. Sorry King, you’re not exempt.

  • Real Royal Spelling and Grammar Czar

    The Real Royal King said:
    All we really need is lawmakers

    strike is, insert are.
    King, is your spell check broken??

  • OxyCon

    Now that Olberdouche is history, I wonder how many days Maher has left.
    Far-left hate speech just isn’t selling these days.

  • theyapper

    It’s unfortunate that Bill is just playing to his ultra liberal audience in the studio cause frankly I love his humor but he needs to go back to working over the dems as much as he does the republicans….both parties are responsible for everything going on. They’re all bought and paid for by specials interest…bill…I’d prefer it if you more honest…yes i know you have to attach yourself to one of the parties….but it would be so refreshing if you didn’t.

  • tatboy

    The Real Royal King said:
    I don’t know, they couldn’t get rid of their first and last African American RNC chairman fast enough.

    So you are putting your stamp of approval on his abilities??? Your statement implies that he was fired for race and not ability. So am I to take that you are stateing here and now you personally found Steele to competent and quialified in his duties?

  • DougRodrigues

    Bill Maher has the intellect of a snail, but by constantly moving his mouth for left-wing causes, he hides that condition.

  • Dawgnabox

    This douche bag’s hair does not move. I went to one of his shows once and he was so pasty white he all most glowed in the dark. I use to watch him but got tired of his bullshit. I have not seen his numbers on HBO but they can’t be that good.

  • valkyrie101

    4 posts, 5 thumbs up, 43 thumbs down. Let’s see you beat that King. :-)

  • RichS

    I thought you were also logging in as the Real Racist King?

  • writer

    The King laughs at your paltry claim. He gets more thumbs down just by posting his name.

  • valkyrie101

    writer said:
    The King laughs at your paltry claim. He gets more thumbs down just by posting his name.

    You are right, at another thread I counted just his posts on one page: 0-78.

  • writer

    Won’t swear to it, but I think he’s gotten over a hundred and fifty at one sitting. Guess he figures if you can’t be the most liked, be the most hated.

  • Probably NOT wrong

    Flat nose spread all over his face, beady little slits for eyes, greasy hair, I mean GREASY
    HAIR!. I can’t think of the ex-girl friends name just now, but she put out the word more than once
    that Maher had a very tiny pecker. He is about 3′ 10″ in height suffering LMS!
    But he has a forum to spew out his BS so I suppose the above listed faults are
    not important.
    I doub though, if very many people listen to him!

  • valkyrie101

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    then will come get enough to repeal the 1st amendment too huh……. i thought liberals love civil rights, guess not………by the way do you have locks on your house……know why….fear

    Sorry, I was being a little facitious about that. But to continue on anyway, my retort would be: No, the people, who are empowered to change any provision of the constiution they are unhappy with, via their constitutional right to do so, and the first amendment does not kill 40K people a year, so there is not any groundswell of support for changing the first amendment.

  • valkyrie101

    RichS said:
    Please provide a reference that shows you assumption that the number one reason to own a gun is self defense. Everyone I know who legally owns a gun(s) does so to hunt, or target shoot, or collect. Also, you “dare say, probably a high percentage of gun owners are not registered voters now”. Other than your imagination, what makes you say that. Everyone I know who legally owns a gun(s) are not only registered voters, but actually vote. Not only do you make up “facts” about gun owners not voting but you go on to say they don’t vote because they are paranoid? You seem more like an ostrich sticking its head in the ground so it can avoid what is really happening in the world and can be content to live with what it imagines instead.

    I don’t know, Rich, all I keep hearing from the gun crowd is how important their weapons are for self defense. That’s why they need so many shots in their magazines – the comfort of redundency. And, well, I have no real stats on how many gun owners are registered voters, certainly not all of them. If they represent the national average maybe 65% of them are registered.

  • valkyrie101

    writer said:
    Won’t swear to it, but I think he’s gotten over a hundred and fifty at one sitting. Guess he figures if you can’t be the most liked, be the most hated.

    Jesus was not generally well liked either.

  • cjd ohio 1

    valkyrie101 said:
    Sorry, I was being a little facitious about that. But to continue on anyway, my retort would be: No, the people, who are empowered to change any provision of the constiution they are unhappy with, via their constitutional right to do so, and the first amendment does not kill 40K people a year, so there is not any groundswell of support for changing the first amendment.

    cars kill more than 40K a year, show we ban them too?

  • SarahP.

    Over 500k will die of cancer this year. I’m going out on a limb and suggest we should ban cancer. Who is with me?

  • Grammie

    Patrick Henry said:
    And you believe that was due to his race. Figures.

    .
    No, it is merely an attempt to deflect notice from the fact that the DNC doesn’t and hasn’t had a black leader on the national scale.

    In fact, I can’t think of any national Dem black leader whose power is not based on districts that have substantial white majorities. or is appointed.

  • SarahP.

    Grammie said:
    .
    No, it is merely an attempt to deflect notice from the fact that the DNC doesn’t and hasn’t had a black leader on the national scale.

    In fact, I can’t think of any national Dem black leader whose power is not based on districts that have substantial white majorities. or is appointed.

    Do you live under a rock? Please do your homework and resubmit. Pronto!!

  • cjd ohio 1

    SarahP. said:
    Over 500k will die of cancer this year. I’m going out on a limb and suggest we should ban cancer. Who is with me?

    glad to see you agree…….cars and cancer need to be banned

  • SarahP.

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    glad to see you agree…….cars and cancer need to be banned

    And motorcycles. And heart disease.

  • RichS

    valkyrie101 said:
    I don’t know, Rich, all I keep hearing from the gun crowd is how important their weapons are for self defense. That’s why they need so many shots in their magazines – the comfort of redundency. And, well, I have no real stats on how many gun owners are registered voters, certainly not all of them. If they represent the national average maybe 65% of them are registered.

    Thanks for admitting that you have no facts. By the way, no one I know who legally owns a gun wants a bigger magazine. Why don’t you stop trying to imagine facts that you don’t have, it sounds to me like you don’t know of many people who either own guns or want to own guns. Is this true?

  • RichS

    Grammie said:
    .No, it is merely an attempt to deflect notice from the fact that the DNC doesn’t and hasn’t had a black leader on the national scale. In fact, I can’t think of any national Dem black leader whose power is not based on districts that have substantial white majorities. or is appointed.

    Actually, Ron Brown was black and he was the leader of the DNC until 1993, I think.

  • cjd ohio 1

    SarahP. said:
    And motorcycles. And heart disease.

    damn you liberals do want to ban almost everything, glad your honest

  • writer

    valk, you mention RRK and Jesus in the same sentence? Maybe you’re onto something. If they’d had trailers in Jesus’ day, he’d have probably mocked the people living in them the same way the King does.

  • SarahP.

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    damn you liberals do want to ban almost everything, glad your honest

    And hoola hoops.

  • Sue

    Only in tvland and the uberprogressive universe would there be someone called Maher who wanted less civility…why, he doesn’t use any at all, so why is he complaining? Because he hasn’t had any press lately, that’s why! He is just a very sick individual that would normally be checked out by psychiatrist but won’t be because he is a celebrity! But, many may not have guns for self defense, but if you lived downtown L.A., San Fran, Camden in New Jersey, and parts of Brooklyn, you’d sure carry for self defense…no getting around that!!

  • Grammie

    RichS said:
    Actually, Ron Brown was black and he was the leader of the DNC until 1993, I think.

    .
    I thought he was the Secretary of Commerce when he died in an airplane accident in Bosnia (?).

    I stand corrected. I just googled it and he was.

    Thanks!

  • SarahP.

    Sue said:
    Only in tvland and the uberprogressive universe would there be someone called Maher who wanted less civility…why, he doesn’t use any at all, so why is he complaining? Because he hasn’t had any press lately, that’s why! He is just a very sick individual that would normally be checked out by psychiatrist but won’t be because he is a celebrity! But, many may not have guns for self defense, but if you lived downtown L.A., San Fran, Camden in New Jersey, and parts of Brooklyn, you’d sure carry for self defense…no getting around that!!

    Good God, I think its whack jobs like you that need to spend a few weeks in the psych unit. Jesus.

  • IAMAREALMAN

    i’m not quite sure why i signed up for this site . if i want good debate i go to the huffington post . easy to upset people there . they love to collapse my blog comments . Bill Maher thinks if the whole world will just get stoned together , all the problems will get better by themselves . i used to like Billy , but , he’s just turning out to be an idiot or i’m learning about real life .

  • IAMAREALMAN

    HEY BILL !!!!!!! I TEABAGGED YOUR MOM !!!!!!!! guess that makes me a teabagger .

  • valkyrie101

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    cars kill more than 40K a year, show we ban them too?

    Cars have a utility far greater than guns, and we regulate cars quite extensively. Regulation is what needs to be done with guns.

  • IAMAREALMAN

    I OWN ALOT OF GUNS AND I’M A MEMBER OF THE N.R.A. , guess that makes me your worst nightmare .

  • IAMAREALMAN

    valkyrie101 said:
    Cars have a utility far greater than guns, and we regulate cars quite extensively. Regulation is what needs to be done with guns.

    explain that , somebody walk in my back door at three in the morning , i’m NOT looking for a car . we will discuss why this somebody was in my house after the event .

  • valkyrie101

    RichS said:
    Thanks for admitting that you have no facts. By the way, no one I know who legally owns a gun wants a bigger magazine. Why don’t you stop trying to imagine facts that you don’t have, it sounds to me like you don’t know of many people who either own guns or want to own guns. Is this true?

    Statistically, most people do not own guns, and I suppose therefore that most of the people I know do not own them as well. So you would be in favor of regulation of those 31 shot clips?

  • cjd ohio 1

    valkyrie101 said:
    Cars have a utility far greater than guns, and we regulate cars quite extensively. Regulation is what needs to be done with guns.

    and guns are regulated too…..

  • valkyrie101

    IAMAREALMAN said:
    explain that , somebody walk in my back door at three in the morning , i’m NOT looking for a car . we will discuss why this somebody was in my house after the event .

    Yes, fear, the #1 reason for owning a gun. But personally I would never prohibit anyone from keeping a gun in their home for protection. Its those who take them out of their home who cause 99% of the problems.

  • valkyrie101

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    and guns are regulated too…..

    Yep, and need to be regulated further.

  • cjd ohio 1

    can drunk drivers buy cars……..yes

  • valkyrie101

    IAMAREALMAN said:
    I OWN ALOT OF GUNS AND I’M A MEMBER OF THE N.R.A. , guess that makes me your worst nightmare .

    Why?

  • cjd ohio 1

    valkyrie101 said:
    Yep, and need to be regulated further.

    how far is good enough for you sir

  • IAMAREALMAN

    valkyrie101 said:
    Statistically, most people do not own guns, and I suppose therefore that most of the people I know do not own them as well. So you would be in favor of regulation of those 31 shot clips?

    i practice handgun , shotgun , and highpower rifle , for entertainment . i started as a youth and have hunted since the age of seven . Mexico has strict gunlaws and they have horrible violence between drug gangs . prohibiting guns has done nothing for the violence in mexico .

  • IAMAREALMAN

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    can drunk drivers buy cars……..yes

    Drunk drivers can buy a car , own a car , even work on a car , but , after three drinking and driving violations they lose the right to drive permenantly . restricting everyones right to drive will not fix the problem .

  • cjd ohio 1

    IAMAREALMAN said:
    Drunk drivers can buy a car , own a car , even work on a car , but , after three drinking and driving violations they lose the right to drive permenantly . restricting everyones right to drive will not fix the problem .

    i was making a point, val was saying regulate, i was point out people drive illegally all the time

  • cjd ohio 1

    i was making the comment , it was sarcasism

  • IAMAREALMAN

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    i was making the comment , it was sarcasism

    i’m on your side then . just tired of being called names by the democrats .

  • cjd ohio 1

    IAMAREALMAN said:
    i’m on your side then . just tired of being called names by the democrats .

    yes sir

  • valkyrie101

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    how far is good enough for you sir

    We have the statistical problem of 40K thousand people dying from gun shots every year. So obviously we must be more diligent in the licensing of weapons. Everyone should be able to own a gun for the protection of the home. That is a stay at home weapon and a stay at home right. But to take guns outside the home for recreational purposes, you need another kind of licence, one with stricter scrutiny. And to carry a weapon? Full disclosure on a national registry, except with respect to bonafide security personnel, who, by the way, will nevertheless be monitored by the new, renewed, ATF. Anybody who has a gun outside the home without proper licensing should result in loss of gun, and review by local prosecutor. Stuff like that.

  • valkyrie101

    The nature of a militia, is that the coat and gun stay at home, waiting for their use, finally, to defend the nation against foreign invasion. The founders were talking about red or blue coats, not the constitutionally elected government. The militia gun is not for walking around town.

  • cjd ohio 1

    and i am not trying to be a smart ass sir, do you think that the laws you stated would have stopped a shooting like in tucson?

  • valkyrie101

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    and i am not trying to be a smart ass sir, do you think that the laws you stated would have stopped a shooting like in tucson?

    Yep. How does the shooter still have a gun after his community college adventure?

  • nutsofast

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    cars kill more than 40K a year, show we ban them too?

    Have to take a test to drive.
    Driving is also a privilege that can be taken away

  • CAconservative

    You damned right it’s time to stop the civility! I want these idiot political beggars at each others throats. It’s Conservative civility that got this socialist-moron in office. Had Sen.McCain gone for the throat, the outcome may have been very different. Instead we got as milk-toast Republican campaign that tried to be politically correct, while the opponent took every advantage he could.

  • nutsofast

    IAMAREALMAN said:
    I OWN ALOT OF GUNS AND I’M A MEMBER OF THE N.R.A. , guess that makes me your worst nightmare .

    NO
    just someone with a small penis

  • SarahP.

    nutsofast said:
    NO
    just someone with a small penis

    That of course would be you. You set yourself up for that. Nonetheless, you do have a very small penis. Very small.

  • valkyrie101

    CAconservative said:
    You damned right it’s time to stop the civility! I want these idiot political beggars at each others throats. It’s Conservative civility that got this socialist-moron in office. Had Sen.McCain gone for the throat, the outcome may have been very different. Instead we got as milk-toast Republican campaign that tried to be politically correct, while the opponent took every advantage he could.

    Your beating a dead horse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Koulouris/600917206 Christopher Koulouris

    In the end the media and its pundits will continue their game, beef up their cheering squad team and come up with the occasional human interest story while a comatose America sits home and wonders to itself why the country is going to the dogs and there is no one left to offer a subjective discussion, irrespective of idealogical dogma of what is actually going on in this nation, what it means and how we arrived at that moment.

    Instead we will all be resigned to pointing fingers, applauding Hollywood stars who resemble action heroes with perfect haircuts and jawlines and the commiserating the continued liberties of this nation and those brave enough to inspire and engender said discussions. What a bloody shame.

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2011/01/the-lynching-of-american-media-and-keith-olbermann/

  • valkyrie101

    notsofast said:
    valkyrie101 said:#1 reason for owning guns? Fear. Yes, our Marines are shaking in their boots everyday.

    Fear is part of the equation, my friend. Especially for a soldier. The right amount of fear keeps you alive.
    There is nothing wrong with fear. So it does not matter that the #1 reason people own guns is because they are afraid. That’s cool.

  • nrgetick

    Hell yea bill tells it how it is,.loved the part where he said conservatives don’t have to worry about Obama being a Kenyan because hes a golden retriever. lol

  • greg454

    There are 65 million of people with legal guns in America and not one of them has shot Bill Maher, even though most probably hate his guts. So you see, we don’t need gun control. If Maher ever gets shot it’s gonna be by a criminal with a blackmarket gun.

    CNN BASHES AMERICA IN ARTICLE ABOUT THE “COOLEST” NATIONALITIES
    http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/2011/01/cnn-bashes-america-in-survey-about-cool.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Templeton/1642703797 Dave Templeton

    I could wile away the hours
    Conferrin’ with the flowers
    Consultin’ with the rain
    And my head I’d be scratchin’
    While my thoughts were busy hatchin’
    If I only had a brain

  • Cancon2

    Bill must pay Mediaite big dollars to carry all his ads and BS on this site.

  • RowdyHoward

    SarahP. said:
    That of course would be you. You set yourself up for that. Nonetheless, you do have a very small penis. Very small.

    Heh heh…you said penis. Dirty girl.

  • Sean68

    I think even Olbermann’s sheep-like audience is getting tired of his act.

  • Sean68

    Sean68 said:
    I think even Olbermann’s sheep-like audience is getting tired of his act.

    Edit: replace Maher with Olbermann.

    Or don’t. They’re pretty much interchangable.

  • IIWII

    Dave Templeton said:
    I could wile away the hoursConferrin’ with the flowersConsultin’ with the rainAnd my head I’d be scratchin’While my thoughts were busy hatchin’If I only had a brain

    Yep… he builds a strawman so he can tear it down… nicely said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Westover/1496648721 Tony Westover

    OxyCon said:
    Now that Olberdouche is history, I wonder how many days Maher has left.
    Far-left hate speech just isn’t selling these days.

    Maher’s contract isn’t as ridiculously overvalued as Olbermann’s was. Olbermann was getting O’Reilly money for attracting much less than half the ratings. I think HBO is paying Maher in weed and Hugh Hefner leftovers.

  • http://societyfordaintydamsels.wordpress.com Lynda Appell

    Dear Bill the problem isn’t only the issue of effective gun control its the dismal, ineffective mental health system . Anybody with a mental illness needs treatment. Mental illness is a disease and it must be treated. I am not implying that everybody who is mentally ill is dangerous. I do know being a mental health advocate that psychiatric disorders are treatable. I know personally since I am being treated for bipolar disorder. IMHO I found the governer of AZ wants to cut mental health services by if I remember correctly by at least 35 percent. I liked how Stephen Colbert quipped on his “Colbert Report” how reducing the MH budget was crazy but the governer fired every psychiatrist who could make that assessment.

  • njoy-d-ride

    Of course Maher says there is too much civility… If everyone is getting along, what does he have to talk about? The weather? Maher is pretty much a wash thats going down the drain.

  • njoy-d-ride

    Oops. Is he going to be mad because I said the kinder word wash instead of flush?

  • MCGIRV

    So the man who is so ardently devoted to defending the First Amendment is so anxious to trash the Second Amendment that gives his beloved first amendment the greatest protection from the tyrants who would destroy it! Maher is a real genius!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Guy-Enough/100000209544536 Guy Enough

    How does MAHER get the NERVE to knock the 2nd Amendment when he doesnt even have rights to the FIRST!! HE’s a CANADIAN CITIZEN, for Christs sake… NOT an AMERICAN!!

    What he says… means NOTHING. …NOTHING!

    NOT EVEN IMPORTANT TO THE DEBATE!!

    REMEMBER THAT.

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