Jorge could not answer one of Billo’s questions and kept changing the topic and lying about the AZ law like BHO, Holder and Napolitano did.

Jorge just keeps repeating the false claims of “for m skin” balh blah blah. The fact is, the law mirrors federal law, and even specifically makes profiling illegal. But i do agree that it is the employers that bring the illegals here. Go after the employers, and they have no reason to come.

That was painful. Jorge had his talking points and wasn’t interested in much else other than regurgitating his talking points over and over. Then, he concluded by saying that if he were in Arizona he could be hauled off to jail because of the color of his skin or because of his accent. Jorge may be respected by Univision watchers but he is obviously breathtakingly stupid and a race-baiter.

Jorge Ramos isn’t a respected journalist. As you can see from the interview, he’s clearly a shit for brains. None of his arguments were valid, they were just prepared talking points.

If he answered any of O’Reilly’s it he could not continue with his line of Bovine Scatology!

Much like if President Shakedown, Atty General Holder and Homeland Nap…. had admitted they had read the AZ1070, then the only argument they could have uses was…”That is my job…it does not matter that I won’t do it…it is my job just the same!”

They truly are an administration of incompetent Racists!

The sad thing about this, is this guy speaks to millions of Hispanics and he lies to them about the Arizona bill. I cant believe that after all this time that people like this guy continue to misrepresent the truth. It is all about politics. He should be ashamed.

Comparing the Arizona law to the apartheid period in South African is a slap in the face of all blacks in South Africa who had to live through that period. You should be ashamed of yourself, Jorge.

I’ve been watching Jorge Ramos on Univision since grade school; the man is a competent journalist who actually asks substantial questions in his interviews with high-ranking political powers in Latin America.

He fears race-based immigration laws enforced by unqualified (in the sense that they have no experience with immigration policy) law enforcement agencies; that’s what most of us fear. It’s not politics in the slightest. Politics is using desperately flawed immigration policy and skewing publically available crime statistics to make a point. This is personal for us.

Latinos don’t define ourselves by the color of our skin or the severity of our accents or whatever stereotypical red flag there is, but the law opens the door to both being used against us. Is the actual language of the law racist? Of course not. Does it include a provision that disapproves of racial profiling? Sure. But can anyone guarantee that race doesn’t play a role in enforcing a law targeting an immigrant community that is largely Latino? Fact is that the law is a direct response to the growing Latino community.

I’m a naturalized American citizen born into a Latino family. Why shouldn’t I worry about being stopped if I don’t look American enough on a given day in Arizona?

Frances:

This was an honest headline about a good discussion. Congratulations, well done.

If Glynnis had written this headline, it would have appeared with her LL* slant. This way, thousands of your readers (well, hundreds anyway) (OK, more than a dozen) got the true picture by watching the video.
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*LL: Lame & Lazy, a type of journalism practiced by people short on education and high on indoctrination.

blurgh you need to quit speaking for all hispanics….

“He fears race-based immigration laws enforced by unqualified (in the sense that they have no experience with immigration policy) law enforcement agencies; that’s what most of us fear.”

My family too is hispanic…they have no fear of law enforcement, no fear of being stopped and asked for their papers….do you know why…It will never happen.

You need “Probable Cause” to make a stop…Probable cause does not include what color you are.

After you are stopped for “Probable Cause” you attitude could possible make the officer to put up a red flag…but don’t worry, if you are an American Citizen and you are asked your name, birth Date, or SSN or address, the NCIC probably can find you.

The Key to this blurgh is ATTITUDE…YOUR ATTITUDE!

I never said that brown skin was probably cause. But probable cause is part of the problem with the bill. A broken taillight. An unkempt yard. Too many people in a home. That’s what could be construed as probable cause. “Lawmakers on Thursday night also added a provision extending immigration enforcement to local ordinances, which critics warned could permit police to check the immigration status of people guilty of nothing more than a poorly tended lawn.” (Source: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/01/nation/la-na-arizona-immigration-20100501).

I’m not afraid of being asked if I am a citizen of the United States; I’m lucky enough to have citizenship and to have been raised here. What I’m afraid of is members of a racial minority in the country being asked questions by law enforcement that someone of another race in the exact situation would not asked. That’s not equal application of the law and is exactly why immigration law is under federal purview and assigned to an agency devoted to this specific situation. That’s not to say that the federal application of the law has been consistent or fairly applied, but that’s lets address it instead of glazing it over with antifederalistic rhetoric and obtuse legislation.

…brown skin was probable cause…

I doubt that an unkempt yard. Too many people in a home is probable cause…your link is broken Besides it is coming from the LA Times…not a great source of truthfulness.
Do all of us a favor and source the Arizona Republic or Tucson news or an Arizona Radio or TV Station. But from LA, am very suspicious.

A Broken Tail light most likely is probable cause in all 50 states. AZ does not have a lock on that.

…brown skin was probable cause… Source when this went away….I know for a fact it has not been in the last 20 years and I would suspect it was probably 30 – 50 years before earlier…thus it is irrelevant to this discussion.

You seem like a reasonable person…go down to your local PD or Sheriff’s department and request a ride along. See what that officer thinks. I assure you that they are much more professional and want to do the right thing then the credit you are giving them.

Keep notes on the calls you make…there won’t be any unkempt yards will be one. That is an ordinance and one that is usually not enforce by the police…that ordinance person that has no legal authority.

No surprise that the lowlife Richardson would sell-out his fellow governor to pander to his Latino voter base – remember this is the same lowlife who threw Clinton under the bus in a blink as soon as polls started turning for Obama!

Frances, how could you write that this Ramos/O’Reilly exchange concluded with a “predictable stalemate”?

Ramos either couldn’t, and/or just outright refused, to answer every substantial question.

With that so, even someone as amazingly obtuse and inept as Bill O’Reilly, verbally tossed Ramos around the room the entire time.

DISGRACE!!!!!

The Obama Press Corps – NBC, CBS & ABC – continues to COVER-UP the White House Voter Fraud Scandal!

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER! – A vote for ANY Democrat is a vote supporting this racist junta in D.C.

NORBIT says: “The Obama Press Corps – NBC, CBS & ABC – continues to COVER-UP the White House Voter Fraud Scandal! REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER! – A vote for ANY Democrat is a vote supporting this racist junta in D.C.”

Yup.

BatBoy said:

Regarding the “…brown skin was probable cause…”, I was correcting my misspelling, not implying it it was probable cause.

From Arizona Capitol Times:

The bill made a number of revisions to the immigration law. It lowered the fines for violating the law, added a requirement that only officers authorized by the federal government can make the final immigration status determination of people encountered, and eliminated the use of race as a qualifying factor to determine “reasonable suspicion” that a person may be in the country illegally.

But H2162 also changed the language of the new immigration law so that police officers will be authorized to use local ordinances, such as property or rental code violations, to initiate immigration checks.

Kris Kobach, who helped draft the bill, clearly laid out the relevance of civil ordinance violations to the law in an e-mail to Republican State Senator Russell Pearce:

From: Kobach, Kris W.
To: russellpearce ; rpearce@azleg.gov
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: One more change!

Russell,

I discussed all of the changes with Mike Hethmon and he concurred. But there is one additional point that he suggested– which you will certainly agree with. When we drop out “lawful contact” and replace it with “a stop, detention, or (ar)rest, in the enforcement a violation of any title or section of the Arizona code” we need to add “or any county or municipal ordinance.” This will allow police to use violations of property codes (ie, cars on blocks in the yard) or rental codes (too many occupants of a rental accommodation) to initiate queries as well.

I have not received anything from the people on the phone this afternoon. Please ensure that they make this addition as well. Thanks!

Kris

We’re talking about a state that, if the narrative is in any way correct, is chomping at the bit to solve the illegal immigration situation it faces. As a citizen, I respect law enforcement. At the same time, I know that law enforcement will sometimes pursue any means it has to pursue an end. I won’t assume that officers will abuse the innocuous interpretation of the law, but I can’t assume that some won’t. Quite frankly, it doesn’t even have to be a police officer–a neighbor can call the police if he or she sees a ordinance violation. A few local law enforcement agents in Arizona have already spoken out against the law because it puts them in the awkward position of essentially enforcing the law to the satisfaction of the supposed informer since said informer can sue the department for doing their job, or whatnot.

In light of everything else that has happened in Arizona (the ethnic studies ban and even complaints about a mural depicting multicultural children in Prescott), I can’t help but feel that some in Arizona, mainly of the conservative ilk, are maliciously targeting the growing Latino community, illegal or not.

“But can anyone guarantee that race doesn’t play a role in enforcing a law targeting an immigrant community that is largely Latino?”

I’ll take a swing at this. I can guarantee you that if the ‘race’ of the people hopping over the fence is Latino, the law is DIRECTLY targeting Latinos. That’s who’s hopping the borders, 1000′s a day. If they were German, we’d be looking for strudel and lederhosen.

Posit: The federal government cracks down on the illegals, 11,000,000 are sent back home, borders are shut, sealed, no mas… Would it be possible for the people in Mexico to then look to themselves to find the solution? Instead of coming here, why not make it work in Mexico? Might take some serious effort to get the cartels out. Might take persistance to keep them out. Might have to get the thugs out that write the laws. But there’s no reason Mexico can’t become just as good, if not better, than the U.S. There’s absolutely no reason. Just have to do it.

It’s too bad all the decent people in Mexico don’t have guns. The landscape of that nation would change overnight.

Most Americans attack Jorge Ramos because he simply gave his opinion of Mexican Immigration and didn’t allow O’Reily to shout him (Ramos) as is usually done to guest that don’t agree with O’Reily. For those of you that know nothing about Jorge Ramos, he has won 8 Emmy Awards and the Maria Cabot Award for excellence in journalism.
Bill O’Reily has never won an award for journalism much less excellence in anything unless you count shouting down anyone that disagrees with his narrow point of view.
America has a much larger immigration problem that we want to believe exist that is why we keep thinking of simple solutions to this complex issue. We instead of rejecting educated Hispanics we should in turn attempt to view other sides to the problem.