George W. Bush.

trump thinks sending soldiers out for missions is just a video game.

This is awesome.  Trump is telling everybody how amazingly stupid Republicans are, but he’s too stupid to realize it.

hehehehehehe….trumps an idiot….problem is hes much smarter than you wingnuts that praise at his alter….hes makes a fool out of himself every time he opens his mouth….im starting to feel a little sorry for you birthers, birchers, bigots and bullshitters…..Trump is making you look worse

Alright enough of Trump. The media are the only ones caring about what he says or thinks. Maybe if you didn’t report on his every move & thought we could get some real stories that actually carry importance.

What am I thinking that might require real work. My bad

“Who is not going to make that decision?”

You! Your idiotic self would be too busy concerning yourself with other things, like lying about investigations into a citizens birthplace.

And so begins the history re-write by the “conservative” santorum sucking scum bags. Shammity already gave the credit to the Shrub on his “show” last night and now the new face of “conservatives” comes out with this drivel. More to follow, don’t be surprised folks.

As Trump, rightfully, pointed out, there are quite a few Republican candidates for the presidency that care what he has to say. So much so that they’ve been courting him. Let’s expose his stupidity, and theirs.

“I just don’t spend that much time on him…”

“I don’t know where he is…hehehe, I truly am not that concerned about him…”

Hasn’t the nation had just about enough of this fool yet? Even a train comes to a stop. Why is Fox News sinking further into the sewage of their already pathetic brand by airing interviews with this clown? Why doesn’t Fox News go to Bellevue and interview the mental patients there, they’d get about as much insight from them.

Do you teach at Harvard?

Trump is just bitter because the death of Osama coincided with the death of his political aspirations, ensuring that no rational mind would ever again look at Trump as anything more than a racist, birther, buffoon.

Ironic how many cons are bitter about the one thing that would have made them explode in their pants had it been accomplished under a Republican regime.

Trump has had 3 wives and 4 bankruptcies- he really shouldn’t question anyone’s judgement.

You have to remember Baghdad Bob, that you are a moron and a liberal, and therefore, you have been trained to reject the truth and programmed to lie.

Donald Trump a one man comedy act, who excels at undermining his own accelerated bloviating and narcissistic stupidity.

Look forward to the Republican Reality TV Debate with the ‘Duck’ as Moderator…

…Congratulations.

most of his media appearances are on NBC (where he has a TV show) or on Fox News (no comment needed)

Have you looked at him lately?  The undertaker that did his embalming should be fired.

It’s too bad Trump and for that matter a few posters here never heard the old adage,

It’s better to remain silent and thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt..

This site is about to lose as many hits as Politico has in the last year if they don’t control the flying monkey population. I am not a fan of Trump but you carpet bombing trolls grow tiresome.

Donald Trump needs to put down the Call of Duty XBox controller.

You continue to outdo yourself, Tommy.  Have you ever cared about actual, ya know, facts or have you just disregarded them as of late.  

I don’t care much for Donald Trump but he’s right.  Any POTUS would have made the same decision that Obama did.  The only difference would be the aftermath where far-left bomb-throwers, like yourself, would have called for Bush’s imprisonment for ordering someone to be killed as opposed to captured as a convenient way to get around the Justice Departments insistence that terrorists be tried in NYC.  

“Bin Laden is holed up in that house right there in the middle of town” is a little different than “Bin Laden is probably hiding in a cave up there in those mountains somewhere”.  

The PDF you link to, written by John Kerry, reads like a Olbermann special comment.  

Also, at the time that OBL was believed to have been in Tora Bora, in response to a suggestion that OBL should be “smoked out” of the Tora Bora caves, Kerry said this:  ”For the moment what we are doing, I think, is having its impact and it is the best way to protect our troops and sort of minimalize the proximity, if you will. I think we have been doing this pretty effectively and we should continue to do it that way.”

Trump is irrelevant and so is what he says but Tommy boy has to write some long bs about it I guess to justify his paycheck.

Ultimately comparing the 2001 decision and the 2011 decision really has no validity and frankly Trump is right in that no sitting president or anybody else at that time under those circumstances would have held back on killing Bin Laden.

Having the President whip out a dead terrorists every time any one questions every other aspect of his policies concerning that part of the world and those countries is a total cop out.One action regardless of what it is is not a complete policy nor does it symbolize one.

I want to hear about every other aspect of Obama’s presidency concerning the war on terror,relations with the countries involved and the plans for the future.I do not want to hear about a man who took a bullet.If that is the cornerstone of the policy then we are in big trouble especially is there is a second term.

General Barak Obama  summarily executes 20 men, no trial, no mercy–Libs cheer.

Poor lil GW drips water on SKM and libs howl.

Wonder what John Stewart thinks.

It looks like he rubbed circus peanuts all over his face.

The question is why do you neocons give this guy any cred? Really can you answer this question? Please?

I think that alien creature that has attached itself to the top of Trump’s head has nearly completed its mission of sucking out his brain.

This man is a clown and a disgrace, it’s time to boycott NBC and tell them to dump his lame show

I’m not sure what you mean by “neocon” but the only reason Trump is in the news is because people put him on TV.  It’s looking like he’s going to have to cancel his debate so I’m not sure how that’s giving him cred.  I don’t know what his poll numbers are, if there are any, but I don’t know anybody who cares much about him one way or the other.  

Trump biatched slapped Chuck Todd the other day.  Todd was bringing him on because of polling that said primary voters in NH & Iowa would be less likely to support a candidate who was endorsed by Trump.  

Methinks, you’ve heard a few too many lefties in the media saying that conservatives care about Trump without actually investigating whether they do or not.  A good rule for you to follow:  If you hear a story about conservatives in the MSM, it’s prolly not accurate.  

Boycott for why?  Does The Apprentice give you nightmares?  Does it make your tummy hurt?  Are there any other NBC shows you’d like to boycott?  How about The Office?  Or, Parks & Recreation?  Sunday Night Football?  I think we should boycott the zoo cuz they have peacocks and the peacock is the symbol of the broadcasting company that airs The Apprentice which is hosted by Donald Trump who apparently makes your life more difficult.  Whadda ya think?  

Because they know its easy media attention. The media doesn’t have to play the game of reporting every thought Trump has with that they show their stupidity. I guess I should Trump credit because he knows how easy it is and he’s someone who doesn’t care if its good or bad PR. Any PR is what Trump always wants.

I don’t know how how this fellow can keep this up much longer. This is beyond farce or parody, beyond Stewart, Colbert, SNL or Maher. Beyond the last few month’s clown parade. I think Trump is doing a political Charlie Sheen, except Sheen’s started to show some self-awareness for his crazy binge. Trump’s got himself into such a tight corner that not even his super sized ego can handle this. Look for a breakdown over the next few days. Poor guy, the show’s coming to an end. He’ll be missed. 

The tools for getting Bin Laden were set up during Bushes time and he was caught on Obamas watch. Both presidents in my mind get credit as much as I hate to give Obama any credit. Trump is right here but that doesn’t matter either. Obama has the right to toot his own horn that Bin Ladin was caught on his watch. But getting Bin Ladin is not enough to make up for the economy that Obama took from bad and made much worse. Bin Ladin aside he is still the worse president of the US ever.

This is one of the most disingenious pieces I’ve read from Mr. Christopher.  Having intel on somebody living in a specific building isn’t the same as intel regarding a general area like Tora Bora.  Pull the trigger?  What would pulling the trigger be in regards to Tora Bora?  Send in thousands of U.S. troops to sorround that tens of miles long area?  Tommy Christopher’s so-called set of facts are complete and utter nonsense.

Also, anytime a “conservative” opens their sewer and santorum spills out, it’s because they are lying. And it’s usually repeated on FOX “news” for that day before it spills out here on Mediaite by winners like lonestar. You’re welcome.

Trump, ahhahaha

You remind me of that part in the movie Rush Hour when Chris Tucker asks “Do you understand the words that are coming out my mouth”.  Except in this case, it’s keyboard instead of mouth and the answer is “no”.  No, I definitely do not.  

Doesn’t Trump have a bankruptcy to go file??

Want to see how much “Military Intelligence” the Democrats have? Watch this classic clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg

Yup, he’s closing down the Milkbone plant. Sorry dog…  :OP

I think you are right. Bush would not have gone behind Pakistans back and he would have ordered that they bring Bin Ladin in alive if possible. But they call Bush the war criminal and Obama a hero. Bush would also not have had the backing of the US media and would have been crucified. The thing is that the left made a big deal about getting Bin Ladin but the right knows its not as big a deal as the left thinks it is. Makes Obama look good to Obama and those who already like Obama and they think it is a great tool to get him re-elected. I am glad Obama got him, very glad as Bush would never have been in position to get him, the left would never have allowed it. Just doesn’t change the rest of what we already know about Obama. Worst president ever.

Tell that to the families of all the 9/11 victims.

“Bush would also not have had the backing of the US media and would have been crucified.”

Someone does not remember the Iraq war buildup.

Okay, so yesterday the President beat his chest and reminded us how he was the one who murdered killed. Big hero!! Today Trump calls him on it to say, yeah who wouldn’t have authorized the kill? – No brainer.

So other than the writer’s detest for Trump, what’s the problem with what Trump said?

Innocent until proven…or is that only for Republicans? New rules…invade a foreign country, assault and murder an unarmed suspect, bag tag and dump into the ocean. Were there weapons of mass destruction ?

“I just don’t spend that much time on him…”

“I don’t know where he is…hehehe, I truly am not that concerned about him…”

Not bitter.  I’m thrilled that he was killed but for Obama it’s about talking points.  

Gawd it cracks me up when the republiklans do their ACLU impression.

They’re beyond tiresome. 

But it’s our own faults – how can we expect to rid ourselves of publicity whores like Trump when  even this website cannot or will not deal with Gloves L. Donahue and his ilk?

You can flag all you want, it does no good. Mediaite has even worse standards than Wing Nut Daily.

=(

Thanks Donald for proving yet again you’re an ass.  How about this – how about you ask an Army member or veteran what guts it took to make that decision. But then again, you’re a narcissistic blowhard who knows everything so why bother. 

Because it was a freaking GUTSY move, you idiot — ask any member of the military what guts it took. Yes, loser, he “reminded us how …”  only b/c the GOP acts like it was nothing and that our President hasn’t proven his mettle in foreign affairs… yeah, right, George Bush torturing people 10 years earlier contributed to finding him.  Thanks for the laugh.

Yes the Iraq war buildup when the country was together in their resolve to stop the terrorist. The media and the entire left of the country was also for that war, in the beginning. Do you remember how many democrats voted against it? Clinton himself went on the news and said they had weapons of mass destruction. Next time don’t compare apples and oranges. – - – Wag the dog. Did you know how that works? You look for something to distract people from what you are doing. It can and should be something the people would approve of. Just because the Republicans called him on it doesn’t mean they were against him getting Bin Ladin now does it.

Really? Then why didn’t Bush?  Seriously – why didn’t Bush … let me tell you why – b/c he took his eye of the freaking ball being saying over and over he didn’t “think much” about bin Laden.  Jeesh — do you really believe your own crap?

Trump needs to be reminded that Bin Laden escaped Tora Bora… and who was President then??

Trump and many Republicans can’t give Obama the credit he deserves for capturing/killing one of the most wanted men in human history!!

Ask any military person? How about one with campaign ribbons from both Iraq wars and Afghanistan, and was awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Medal?
- Will that work for you?

What “tools” other than torture did Bush set-up??

I will wholeheartedly concede to you that my motivation in seeing them put the spotlight on Trump is not that of the lazy media. Good post.

At one time in the recent past, Trump was leading for the Republican nomination!! You don’t find that embarrassing??

LD, I give the President and his team all the credit he deserves for getting the job done. No question about it.

What I was simply asking is what is wrong with what Trump said? Any President, Dem or GOP would have, should have made the same decision.

“The media and the entire left of the country was also for that war…”

Complete horsecrap.  We were out in the streets protesting the Iraq war before it started. 

http://articles.cnn.com/2003-02-15/us/sprj.irq.protests.main_1_anti-war-rallies-anti-war-movement-police-use-pepper-spray?_s=PM:US

“Just because the Republicans called him on it doesn’t mean they were against him getting Bin Ladin now does it.”

Actually that is exactly what it means.  Republiklans only cared about impeaching Clinton, they never gave a damn about national security.  Party first, country second. 

Do I need to bring this Daily Presidential briefing again?

“Osama Bin Laden Determined to Strike within US.”

Let’s start with Bush’s re-building the foreign intelligence service. Clinton all but dismantled our clandestine operations, which severely hampered our intelligence capabilities.

Got to give all credit where credit is due regardless of political passions.
(See my reply to you)

Like most lefties, you completely misconstrue his statement about not “thinking much” about OBL.  Are you capable of thinking or analyzing for yourself?  Or, do you just repeat nonsense you hear on TV or read on the internet? 

“But getting Bin Ladin is not enough to make up for the economy that Obama took from bad and made much worse.”

But it is enough to justify a war which largely contributed to that economy.

Bush set up the means that eventually caught Bin Ladin. Obama was on watch when it all came together and he took advantage of it. Bush didn’t worry about only catching Bin Ladin but concentrated on the big picture. So what? You are pretty clueless not to understand what Bush was saying, not to mention that it has nothing to do with what I said.

No, why would I?  He was never my pick. And, he’s not leading now.  Do you find it embarrassing that Howard Dean was once a leader (much later in the process) for the Dem nomination?  

In my opinion, Trump was missing the point!! Of course any President would give the order but history showed not every President had the capabilities of finding him!!

If Bush found him… he gets all the credit (along with military and other agencies)… but since he couldn’t in 5 years, he deserves no credit… again, my opinion!! 

COB is a pretty smart guy, he just may have a different point of view!!

Polls are as fickle as the people who respond to them.
But c’mon dog, you know Melania Trump would have been a hot F.L. :OP

No argument there!!  =)

Gee I wonder why then that Clinton and so many others from the left supported the war and agreed that there were weapons of mass destruction and why they voted to go to Iraq. Tell me again how many voted against it. Talk about revisionist history. Can’t stand it that the entire country was behind what Bush did in the beginning.   

Kind of like a receiver who catches the ball and runs for 60 yards,but is tackled at the one yard line. -No TD. I get that.

But it was a team of offensive linemen that probably sprung him loose.

I didn’t mind the “Dean Yell”… but I think there’ big difference between Dean and Trump!!

BULLSHIT!

Bush said he stopped looking.

Bush closed down the division that was looking for Bin Laden.

YOU’RE LYING!

The libs will never get it. They can’t even figure out whether Maddow is a man or boy. 

You and me, though, we’re vacuous, boneheaded sexist loons and total morons!!! I’m not even kidding. I am actually a dumbass. 

What’s the matter, libs? Can’t take the truth? 

I can’t defend Clinton, because I believe he had had chance to take out Bin Laden before he left Office and didn’t do it??

Trump just keeps showing us just how big of a d-bag he really is.

Stopped looking? LOL. Seems you are the one full of bull shit. Hey tiredofsoundbitepolitics you really hit some buttons.

They were the same.  The were both loud and over-the-top in their rhetoric/attacks.  Some one each side found them interesting for a period of time before moving on.  

Or how unwilling some people are to give credit where credit is due.

Guts, are you kidding me, the white house janitor would have pulled that trigger on that mission, be serious. And on Bushes decision to allow the rebels to corner and capture / kill Osama bin laden in toro bora region in 2001, he was trying to play up to the dovish Dems and not involve and put at risk our troops. You Dems want it both ways, give KSM a civilian trial in NYC but then brag about killing suspected terrorists without benefit of trial. Typical play both sides against the middle.
President Owebumbles favorite phrase, ( present )

Streamlining intelligence gathering/sharing.  Putting much more resources in terms of money and personnel into the various intelligence agencies.  Patriot act.  Treating terrorism as an act of war instead of a legal matter.  Catching OBL was a process that started years ago.  They’d been tracking that courier since well before Obama was in office.  We’ll never know the names of the people most responsible for his capture starting with the intelligence gatherers, analysts, interrogators and ultimately the Seal Team.  People like Tommy like to pretend that Obama jumped on a plane, flew to OBL’s house and killed him with a deathly roundhouse kick to the face.  But, like most of what Tommy writes, that story is false.  

The politicians were watching polls and covering their butts.  We were out in the streets protesting the war.  The media and conservatives were calling us traitors, but we were proven right.

There were at least 150,000 protesters in San Francisco at the event I participated in in January of ’03.

Of course Saddam had WMD’s at one point, we know this because Saint Ronald of Raygun and DOW chemical sold them to him.  France and Britain also have WMD’s, why didn’t we attack them?

Why do people keep debating who was for the Iraq War and who wasn’t. If you all are educated enough, you would know both democrats and Republicans supported the war with the exception of few, and Obama does not count as he flip floped on this issue, he vote to continue fund the War, now that contradicts his views, he said that he would pull the troops out, but instead ended up adding more for a longer period. The only man that has stood consistant, is Ron paul. I dare anyone to challenge that!

Stopped looking? LOL. Seems you are the one full of bull shit. Hey tiredofsoundbitepolitics you really hit some buttons

“But it is enough to justify a war which largely contributed to that economy.”

You should try and find facts in places that aren’t orifices.  

Bush’s words, not mine.

“I just don’t spend that much time on him…”

“I don’t know where he is…hehehe, I truly am not that concerned about him…”

Explain Tora Bora.

–Cobra

Take your meds.

Oh really…so you’re saying that the economy in Bush’s last quarter was BETTER than the economy we have right now?

 You want show some numbers on that one?

–Cobra

I don’t think Trump realizes that he’s coming across as a buffoon. A vain, self-promoting fool. He’s becoming a parody of himself. A joke. I understand the importance of ratings and I’m sure Trump rates well when he appears on Fox News, but Fox News needs to show some dignity and stop feeding this monster.

Bring back Gary Busey.       Trump needs a friend.    

“The politicians were watching polls and covering their butts.” – - – So you are saying that the democrat politicians were voting to go to Iraq because the majority of Americans including liberals were for it, not because they believed it to be the right thing to do. So you are saying that those on the left are not protecting us but protecting only their careers. Yes that is in line with what we know of liberals.  

Yes he made republicans look stupid

Does anyone remember the ABC TV movie “Trump Unauthorized”?  It keep repeating in the film that Trump had a hardtime firring people. 

Obama didn’t capture and kill anyone.  The SEALS did that.  I give Obama credit for continuing the Bush policies and listening to the military when they knew they had Bin Laden cornered.

Which one of those SEALS were Commander in Chief?? If this country is attacked, do the SEALS take responsibility, no… the President does!!

“So you are saying that those on the left are not protecting us but protecting only their careers.”

Actually that was not what I said, that’s you awkwardly putting words in my mouth.

And you could say that about any politician.  For example, I could list all the republiklans who supported the individual mandate (including Newt and Mitt) until Obama put it in his HC plan.

Or I could say it about Ron Paul, who voted for the war but now is against it.

You are uninformed so there is absolutely no reason to call someone a liar.  Those Bush quotes are cropped and taken out of context and also  have been debunked in here many times.  Here’s the transcript of the question as asked and answered during the press conference:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20110502145352871

Also, Bush did not close Alec Station, the bin Laden unit headed by Michael Scheuer.  That has also been debunked in here many times.  After the mission changed, it was the CIA that reasigned those agents.  They felt the unit was out of control and moved the agents involved to other areas  but remained focused on the hunt for bin Laden….obviously, because the CIA and SEAL Team 6 got him, under the guidance of Leon Panetta, I would add.  Obama was as helpful as a screen door in a submarine.

CIA Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html

That courier was reported to have been retired/no longer in use by Sheikh Khalid Muhammad… the guy who was tortured 83 times!!

Obama could have ordered a drone strike, but we may have never known Bin Laden may have been killed!!

I think it took some guts to approve the SEAL operation knowing it could go very wrong!!

You send me to a “9/11 was an inside job” site?

Nutball, please take a nap and take your meds.

He’s Mediate’s own version of a male(?) Chatty Kathy.  Some fool pulls his string and everyone gets to read one of five or six phrases, at times they are all lumped together in one big mess.

The Bush administration had convinced 71% of gullible Americans that Bin Laden and Saddam were in league against us.  They were not!  Twenty nine percent of us never believed the lies for one minute that Bush and his neocon nin-com-poops were foisting upon us.  Why do you think that Bush said he didn’t care about or think much of Bin Laden just three months after going into Afghanistan to get him?  In 2008 Christian Amanpour reported that Bin Laden was hold up in a villa in Pakistan.  If a reporter knew where Bin Laden was, don’t you think the Bush admin. knew where he was?
Obama got him, Bush didn’t, end of story.

Yes it does, it says Obama’s capable of multi tasking.  Unlike Bush who couldn’t watch TV and eat pretzels without hurting himserlf.

Because if Bush hadn’t tried to track him down at all but Obama had set the intelligence and the military on the task on his first day, they still would have caught him within two years. Right?

And nevermind the fact that by June 2003 all the Dems were calling for the War on Terror to be abandoned, and for the military to be abolished and for Starbucks and “Islamic Understanding Centers” to be built on all the demolished lots that used to be military bases. We should forget about that too, even though, oddly, Huffpo and Mediaite and all the others seem to think a lot of Republican candidate’s opinions from 1995 or whatever are tremendously important… you shouldn’t consider Obama’s past at all

Obama was probably the first Democrat to actually suggest surrender. But nobody would know because at the time he was working as a clerk, deep on the 11th basement floor of the Saul Alinsky And Other Assorted Leftist Weirdos Memorial Library and Learning Center in Chicago.

You couldn’t be more wrong.  We know Rachel Maddow is a beautiful woman just like you. 

still pushing tinfoil theories, eh, birther?

they supported it due to intentional false documentation

would he have said it about a republican president? would anyone have?

god are you stupid

what a load of bullshit.. 

“boycott for why?”

when you learn english grammar skills get back to me…

Plenty of high value targets were taken out in both theaters during the Bush years, having blogged through out those times, it’s my opinion that most conservatives had accepted that killing the vermin was a necessary step.  It never seemed as something new like, hey look at me, I got a new bike and you must be jealous, a lefty attitude that is sooo childlike. 

I also recall the lack of appreciation exhibited by the left when Hussein’s decrepid offspring were taken out, Zarqawi was another that didn’t seem to stimulate the left to the point of being greatful for the fact that a threat to our troops was permantly removed from the battlefield, that just didn’t seem to phase.  So, what do we have?  Same o, same o….killing terrorist leaders is a necessary step in the WOT.  Thankful that decades of effort has brought about the ability to do just that with heartfelt thanks to SEAL Team 6, the CIA and our former Director, Leon Panetta, those that carried the baton across the finish line.

Gud 1!

Nice fantasy world you’re living in.

Trump is just stating the obvious. What was Obama going to say…no? Clinton has been torched for not taking Bin Laden out when his admin had the chance. To give Obama any credit is absurd except to credit him with not being a complete moron. To pretend Obama is some military hawk whose brilliance and determination bagged Bin Laden is silly. This is a man that doesn’t know that the word following Marine….isn’t pronounced ‘corpse’. 

Good points, tiredofsoundbitepolitics! 

Obama could NOT have ignored the intelligence community’s information about bin Laden- it would have leaked and he would have been crucified, and rightly so. However, Obama’s solution is ALWAYS to use stealth attacks with drones, etc. and no one in the media so much as bats an eye- even when he kills a U.S. citizen or his teenage son, collateral damage, dontcha know. Where’s “Code Pink” or “Henry Wood” when Obama takes actions that could rightly go before an international tribunal? 

Even Eugene Robinson and Louis Farrakahan have called President Obama an “ASSASSIN.” They’re right; he is.

She obviously prefers to not think for herself because the full transcript and video of that press conference has been available for years.  To continue the propaganda about what the President said that day is more important than personal pride in knowing what information you pass on is accurate.  That’s the way they roll and they just don’t care.

Full response by President Bush:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20110502145352871

Interesting blog by Professor Jacobson:

Collateral Damage to Anti-Bush Mythology About the Hunt for bin Laden

http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/05/collateral-damage-to-anti-bush-mythology-about-the-hunt-for-bin-laden/

So “nobody would know” that Obama suggested surrender…except you.
Because you have all the facts. You’ve done your research at the most highly-trafficked tin foil conspiracy websites. And when you link to some BS article that supposedly proves that Obama wanted to surrender, please make sure the words “foxnation”, “newsmax” or “foxnews.com” don’t appear.
 
And what do you mean by surrender anyway? You mean, like, “I think America should surrender to terrorists and become a Muslim nation”? Is that what you mean? Or do you just think in grandly ridiculously terms that make no practical sense, but feed your hatred?

So after Cain fizzled Fox is bringing on Trump to replace his buffoonery. LOL

I’m happy to talk about whether or not the killing of Bin Laden was a violation of the constitution and of international law, as long as the person I am talking to is a consistent civil libertarian.  I happen to think that it was.

But I will not have that conversation with dishonest sleazebag republiklans who only bring this up because of their Obama derangement syndrome.

Bush armed the drones and the CIA, during his term,  obtained information that led to the death of bin Laden.

Per Leon Panetta, information gained by enhanced interrogation methods led to the success of this mission.

Trump is right.  Name one of the other 44 presidents who WOULD NOT have made the same decision Obama did.  Even Carter would have made the same decision.  Why?  Because imagine when the info came out (and it would) that they were camped across the street from BinLaden’s house and Obama did nothing.  He would never be allowed to visit NYC again.  And the rest of the country would see him as a weakling.  That’s why he gave the order.  Not doing so would have destroyed his Presidency.

And the Presidency of the other 44 Presidents who came before him.  It would be like if FDR knew were Hitler was and did nothing.  So what Obama did is what we expect from our Presidents.  Unfortunately, you don’t get more than “Atta-boy” or “Good Job” for doing what is expected.

Once again the truth is different then your liberal fiction…or science fiction.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal
The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week’s raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.
The
deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf
and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the
mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired
Pakistani and US officials.
Under its terms, Pakistan would allow
US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin
Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards,
both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.
“There
was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama
was, we were going to come and get him,” said a former senior US
official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. “The Pakistanis
would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn’t stop us.”

Barack Obama…Warrior King!!!
Sounds better than ” Boot-Licking Stooge for Islamo-Fascist world domination.”

Maybe.

facts far different the reality.
…
The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week’s raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.
The
deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf
and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the
mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired
Pakistani and US officials.
Under its terms, Pakistan would allow
US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin
Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards,
both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.
“There
was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama
was, we were going to come and get him,” said a former senior US
official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. “The Pakistanis
would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn’t stop us.”

Heh,

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/iraq_the_war_that_broke_us_not.html

we never stopped bombing in tora bora…it was the Afghans that stopped fighting for the cease fire. 

Because it’s one or the other, right doofus?

Lol, stupid super…tiredofsoundbitepolitics is one of your fellow conservatives.

I think the wives just got to old for him…and he got a new model.  I think he never went bankrupt he might have had to give the bank more assets or a higher percentage but he never lost his wealth.

They like to talk about the no U.S. troop casualty war in Libya but refuse to listen to the Generals when they said they took a lesson from the Russians and decided not to send our troops into those mountains to be slaughtered.  But they root for the troops now, then, not so much.

I remember I was firmly against the Iraq war.  Just because you were wrong, don’t project on the rest of us that were better informed. 

 Paranoia will destroy ya. 

Those Screams You Hear Are The Voices In Your Head !!

Put down the bath salts.

“and he [Bush] would have…”

HE DIDN’T! Quit living in an alternate reality! Bush let him go.

That’s funny. Funny how you only responded with a 1000 page long rant to my little throwaway line at the end there but didn’t say 1 word about everything else I said in the most.

This is the utter intellectual bankruptcy of the Obama cult.

Give Presidents Obama and Bush their due and move on….oh wait, that doesn’t sell books to tea party people….who are being fooled by established Republicans Trump and Gingrich who are only out for themselves and couldn’t care less about any one else.

“And what do you mean by surrender anyway? You mean, like, “I think America should surrender to terrorists and become a Muslim nation”? ”
I don’t understand. Are you saying that would be wrong? Also, which would you prefer if it was either that, or continuing to fight the war on terror? 

Lemme guess you’ll just respond to this with “conspiracy theorist” like the chump you are. Funny how you’re full of questions but no answers. When the questions are turned around on you, you start pissing your pants you witless gutless Marxist court jester.

9 percent plus unemployment and the rising level of those below the poverty level. Two indicators among many.

Talk about bs, Bush asked for the material that was put into that August 6th PDB and he was indeed briefed on it.  Evidently you are not aware of the fact that Tenet actually went to brief President Bush in Crawford, he also briefed him when he returned.  I guess Tenet was also on vacation, heh.   There was one problem, nothing in all the briefings from the time President Bush took his oath of office until 9/11, none of the briefings contained specific threats.

The August 6th briefing was a compilation of briefings from the Clinton years up to the current time.  It mentioned hijackings but it was determined by the intel community that the hyjackings were related to the blind sheik and it would be a hostage situation.

Here’s a bullet point from the 911 Commission report:

Most of the intelligence community recognized in the summer of 2001 that the number and severity of threat reports were unprecedented. Many officials told us that they knew something terrible was planned, and they were desperate to stop it. Despite their large number, the threats received contained few specifics regarding time, place, method, or target. Most suggested that attacks were planned against targets overseas; others indicated threats against unspecified “U.S. interests.” We cannot say for certain whether these reports, as dramatic as they were, related to the 9/11 attacks.

Go ahead, read the whole thing and then come back and show us “intelligence ‘wwas’ ignored.”

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch8.htm

BS, the Authorization for the Use of Military Force was made up of the UN Resolutions lodged against Saddam Hussein.  This followed three attempted coupes Clinton directed the CIA to conduct to rid Iraq of Saddam in Iraq, our CIA guys were on ground during two of the attempts.  The coupes went public, the NYTimes have reported on them and the democrats in office knew full well what they were voting on, it was policy well before Bush came into office or 9/11 happened.

He’s talking about the surge that Obama campaigned/voted against.  I suppose you won’t understand my comment either.  Gotta go a bit deeper than lefty talking points to understand the history of events.

It comes as no surprise that you whiny liberal blindly-loyal Obama bots rush to defend and deflect. Your heads are so far up Obama’s lower cavity that your brains are in neutral. Trump is exactly right. ANY president would’ve made the same decision. In reality, despite the WH and mainstream media attempts to spin it, Obama was golfing when it went—he wanted to distance himself in case the mission failed—and only rushed back at the last minute. You honestly don’t believe he was there directing the events! He’s a fraud and an empty-suit and you know it. I feel bad for you that you were duped by his snake oil sales pitch to begin with. But you voted for him and now we’re all paying the price for your ignorance. 

Sigh…

This is rob2385′s line, verbatim: “Obama was probably the first Democrat to actually suggest surrender.”

My question is (and maybe it can be answered without insults. I know you can do it. We’re counting on you): how did Obama suggest surrendering? The definition of surrender is to “cease resistance to an enemy or opponent and submit to their authority.” How did Obama do this? Voting against the surge is not claiming yourself to be vanquished and letting America be run by terrorists. So what did Obama say or do that makes you think he surrendered to terrorists like Germany surrender in WWII, et al?

I look forward to your next off-topic insult and evasion of my question.

Tommy is cute.  He thinks having Bin Laden “cornered” in Tora Bora (approximately 10 square miles of mountains, caverns and tunnels – often referred to as the most difficult terrain in the world – filled with an unknown number of enemy troops) is the same as having Bin Laden “cornered” in Abbottabad (a 3,000 square foot house, under constant surveillance, in a residential neighborhood, with guarded by a handful of teenagers).

Trump’s right, but it kills liberals to say it.  There isn’t a single person ever to hold the office of the Presidency who would have had the information Obama had and chose not to kill or capture Bin Laden.  Not a single one; and that includes Jimmy Carter who, prior to the current imbecile in chief, was the worst president in modern history.

Horseshit

It is unfortunate that you cannot engage in a discussion without launching a personal attack towards those with whom you “perceive” you disagree. 

Where in my above post gives you the idea that I was referring to 9/11?

Btw: I was part of several ops to hunt down bin Laden. My security clearance is higher than you can imagine, so you might want to curb your absolute statements for which you seem to know vey little.

Amen, I say “Amen!”.

you should follow your own words.

Hogwash, it was not Bush that did that convincing, it was media reports prior to the Bush administration that led people to make that connection.  For all that terrorism fighting you lefties purport that Clinton did about al Qaeda, and linking top Iraqi intelligence officials with OBL in the Sudan, you must think nothing was reported on it. 

The fact that Saddam was involving himself with terrorists was realized before the Bush term.  Look up Patterns of Global Terrorism put out annually by the State Department, click on the years during Clinton’s term,  Saddam fraternized with terrorists even though he had UN Resolutions forbidding him to do so, it’s all there. 

Here’s the Bush take on it.  Saddam had ties to al Qaeda but did not connect Hussein to 9/11, Bush made note of that publically shortly after the attack.

Bush has previously said there was ”no evidence” linking Hussein to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, but he and other members of his administration have continued to say they believe there were ties between Hussein and Al Qaeda. In a speech to the conservative Madison Institute in Orlando on Monday, Cheney called Hussein ”a patron of terrorism” and said ”he had long established ties with Al Qaeda.”

The ties were confirmed when Iraqi documents were translated.

No, but his “altar” ego does.

“You sent me to a 911 was an inside job” site?”

The Q&A has been scrubbed from the White House website so I sent you to a site that posted the entire Q&A, I didn’t pay any attention to who operated it.  They didn’t change the question or the response but the source you got your talking point from did, didn’t they.  

Hahahahaha!  What a fool you are.  If the rolls where reversed would you still be spouting that lie?

What kind of man, makes such a statement on are troops an the president, no matter who the
president is.

Yep, he’s a multi tasker:

http://sandrarose.com/2010/08/obama-fail-photo-of-the-day/

Bet he hung all those WH drapes, too, he’s experienced at that too:
http://oregoncatalyst.com/2293-Picture-contrasts-Reagan-Bush-and-Obama.html

Speaking of cowardly personal attacks do you have anything to say other than “cowardly personal attacks” to post?

Very first paragraph:

After this story was published, the All Pakistan
Muslim League issued a statement denying that there is any truth in the
allegation that an agreement had been struck between then military
leader of Pakistan, General Pervez Musharraf, and President George Bush, to let American forces conduct operations against bin Laden inside Pakistan.

It is unfortunate that each time you read the words “dishonest sleazebag” you feel certain that those words must be referring to you.

Here’s a history of the drones put together by the International Affairs Review, Drone Wars:  Armed Unmanned Aerial Vehicles

In contrast, the CIA’s drone program in the tribal areas of Pakistan utilizes weaponized UAVs primarily in hunter-killer missions. This program, begun under the George W. Bush Administration as part of the GWOT, uses drones primarily in “search and destroy” missions aimed at terrorism suspects and Taliban leadership in Pakistan. One important difference between the two programs is that while the military program operates exclusively in recognized combat zones, the CIA program flies drones over civilian areas as well. The CIA conducts these strikes with the reluctant and implicit support of the Pakistani government, which has publicly condemned the attacks, but continues to allow the CIA to base the drones in its territory. According to a former White House counterterrorism official, the CIA has multiple drones constantly scouting the tribal areas of Pakistan for targets.

http://www.iar-gwu.org/node/144

If you like that, you are sure to like this one:

CIA chief:  Waterboarding aided bin Laden raid

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42880435/ns/today-today_news/t/cia-chief-waterboarding-aided-bin-laden-raid/

He was being sarcastic not literal when stating he suggested surrender.  It was in regards to the surge, the success of the surge would have never been happened had Obama’s pov prevailed.

That is so interesting, please tell us some more.

Henry Wood, TF just may think you were referring to her because at the bottom of your comment it says….”in reply to TitzyFritzensimmons.”  Take a moment, think about it, I guess we must all agree that someone in here is kinda stoopid, Henry.

Attaboy Donald!  The left’s secret weapon.

Henry Wood, perhaps it’s because at the bottom of your comment it says, “in reply to TitzyFritzensimmons.”  Take a moment, think about it, I guess we must all agree that someone in here is kinda stoopid, Henry.

Naivete, how cute.

Dear Rio5,

Though your post contains my name, at the bottom of the comment it says: “in reply to TitzyFritzensimmons.”

Therefore I must conclude that you are saying that this “TitzyFritzensimmons” person is kinda stoopid.

I should point out, in this person’s defense, that you misspelled stupid.

we already know what Bush would have done–he did it..and it did not work..

Donald Trump has the IQ of a squash.

a good rule about political ideologues: what they say and think is usually way out in left or right field.

Trump accomplishes more in one hour of his day than most American accomplish in a life time. You may not agree with him but he is a proven winner. He is not a racist that is a liberal lie. Only racist left in America are liberals. 

The truth on the birth issue will be out in January.There are professional law enforcement officials investigating and they will put this matter to rest. You are no more of an authority than anyone else on Obama birth. Wait till the report comes out before you open your mouth. 

Buffoon this is the pot calling the kettle black. Who are you to call names? You do not make millions without being sharp. Certainly smarter than a poster that makes statements and attacks without any proof. 

It is comical to watch the liberals try to make a hero out of Obama. The removal of Bin Laden is part of the job description to protect American from enemies. He did his job and nothing more. One good act does not justify the horrible decisions and lack of leadership in all other areas. 

His lying and corruption can not be hidden behind this one incident. 

I thought we were losing 700,000 jobs a month when Obama took over.  Did you think he would stop that incredible slide overnight? 

You call Bin Ladin’s killing a murder?  Don’t you think it was justified?  Remember the Bay of Pigs, or when Carter sent Delta Force to rescue the hostages in Iran?  Both actions were miserable failures that hurt their presidency.  Obama made a gutsy call, and if the mission would have failed, he would have taken a lot of heat.

I feel somewhat ridiculous posting the following, but I’m compelled to do so. 1. When Obama made the decision to INVADE another country and KILL a man who the country leaders claimed was not in their country, he WAS HELD IN CONTEMPT by congress and the senate (mostly GOP guys, but many democrats as well). Its GREAT for Trump to do what seems to work for the idiot NEW GOP base and REWRITE history even though we are talking about something that happened just a season or so ago, but its sad that he has people who will follow his words and even take swipes at the president. Its childish and sad. FURTHER, its kinda scary that the attacks on LIBERALS by this NEW GOP (and guys they love, like Trump) are literally verbatim to the manifesto of the UNIBOMBER. Way to go NEW GOP, you guys are truly a lost tribe in this country and many of us older GOP folks are waiting for your demise and removal. Sadly, it might be GENERATIONS before this current crop of idiots have lost their collective voice and we can get back to actually running this country correctly. Enjoy the losses to come. As they say, IGNORANCE is bliss.. so be blissful.

Uhh, its actually MORE embarrassing that Dean lost his footing simply because of exuberance. That Dean could drop out and away from the white house and chicks like Bachman and Palin are “front runners” -where/could be again, etc- is par for what is wrong here. THE IDIOTS are running the front of the store. Luckily, the current NEW GOP has ZERO hope for the white house so long as they seem to champion reality show contestants. NEXT UP? NEWT, the man who takes CAIN’s mistakes to a whole new level of morality and honor for family values and women! GO GO GO NEW GOP you are too swell!

Don’t you understand the difference?  KSM was in our custody and we tortured him.  Bin Ladin was hiding in Pakistan.  The intelligence wasn’t even sure if Bin Laden was there.  Obama took a chance by authorizing a secret military mission in Pakistan.  If the mission would have failed, Obama would have been blamed.  But since right wingers are all about party and not country, they blame Obama anyway and refuse to give him credit.  

Or, Meatloaf.  He thought Trump would make a swell president. 

A good rule for you.. Be careful of your use of and arguments against “lefties” since most of the NEW GOP seems to sound EXACTLY like the words of the Unibomber Manifesto. Congratulations.

I like your style, COB, but, with that said, why was it when Obama DID do what he -and as you say, OTHER presidents- did, he was cornered and critiqued for actions that MANY of the GOP congress folks and senate considered wrong. HELL even many DEMOCRATS stated that they didnt think his actions were well thought out. THERE were generals and joint chiefs who didnt fully agree with the action. Bottom line is what you say.. HE DID IT.. but lets not start rewriting history this quickly. HE did not have a majority of support for his actions. THAT is what happened. Trump’s “take” is from another dimension.

Again, a person who somehow has a short term memory that MUST begin every morning and END as she (he) falls asleep. OBAMA did not have the full support of the military, the house or the senate. He was criticized for his actions, by the military and many members of both the GOP and the DEM. Try HARD to avoid writing history as your own fantasy world because HISTORY is real, it is/was LIVED by many many people and MOST of us arent afraid to take a step back and READ the activities of yesterday. “Listening to the military”. LOL.. the MILITARY did not agree with the presidents actions! SHEESH.

It is historically INACCURATE, as there were MANY MANY MANY members of the military, congress and the senate who DID NOT agree with the action. “NO BRAINER” indeed.. come on COB, your glasses make you look at least capable of reading.

President Bush wouldn’t have:

Obama announced in 2007: ”If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets [in Pakistan] and President [Pervez] Musharraf won’t act, we will.”http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6926663.stm President Bush ruled out a special-op attack when asked to comment on Obama’s position:
http://tinyurl.com/86lvh9k 
Obama’s position was attacked by right-wing pundits, including Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Hannity and Mr. Rove.http://tinyurl.com/43653fm 

Moreover, in 2001 President Bush had the opportunity to capture or kill Bin Laden:

“ Osama bin Laden was unquestionably within reach of U.S. troops in the mountains of Tora Bora when American military leaders made the crucial and costly decision not to pursue the terrorist leader with massive force, a Senate report says.”
[...]
“At the time, Rumsfeld expressed concern that a large U.S. troop presence might fuel a backlash and he and some others said the evidence was not conclusive about bin Laden’s location.”

http://tinyurl.com/ToraBoraBush 

Obama faced similar concerns and made the decision.

Obama announced in 2007: ”If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets [in Pakistan] and President [Pervez] Musharraf won’t act, we will.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/692...

Obama’s position was attacked by right-wing pundits, including Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Hannity and Mr. Rove.
http://tinyurl.com/43653fm 

http://americancrossroadswatch.org/

President Bush wouldn’t have:

Obama announced in 2007: ”If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets [in Pakistan] and President [Pervez] Musharraf won’t act, we will.”http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/692… 

In fact, President Bush ruled out a special-op attack when asked to comment on Obama’s position:
http://tinyurl.com/86lvh9k 
Also, Obama’s position was attacked by right-wing pundits, including Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Hannity and Mr. Rove.
http:://tinyurl.com/43653fm Moreover, in 2001 President Bush had the opportunity to capture or kill Bin Laden:” Osama bin Laden was unquestionably within reach of U.S. troops in the mountains of Tora Bora when American military leaders made the crucial and costly decision not to pursue the terrorist leader with massive force, a Senate report says.”[...]“At the time, Rumsfeld expressed concern that a large U.S. troop presence might fuel a backlash and he and some others said the evidence was not conclusive about bin Laden’s location.”http://tinyurl.com/ToraBoraBus… Obama faced similar concerns and made the decision.

Obama faced similar concerns of putting troops at risks, also against opposition from the GOP.

http:://tinyurl.com/43653fm http://tinyurl.com/7eds9w9 http://tinyurl.com/86lvh9k  

another inmate loose in the asylum

i thougt operation fast and furious was the left’s secret weapon

Two and a half years is overnight?

Indeed – 2 May 2011, death of Bin Laden!

2 May 1536 – Anne Boleyn, Queen of England, is arrested and imprisoned on charges of adultery, incest, treason and witchcraft. 

2 May 1885 – Good Housekeeping magazine goes on sale for the first time.

2 May 1945 – World War II: Fall of Berlin: The Soviet Union announces the capture of Berlin.

Coincidence?

Are you kidding me, Obama knew 100% positively that Osama was there! They staked out that compound for months, you’ll try to turn him into a hero for doing something my grandmother would have done after receiving the quality and volume of intelligence he had in hand before allowing this mission to move forward, try as you might, the guy is a disaster of a president and this phony elevation to hero status doesn’t hold up under a serious look at the facts.

Sometimes I think you republicans would cut off your noses to spite your faces.  Everyone in the world knows it’s a big deal and a huge public relations win for the US.  But who is tearing it down, America’s achievement – the republicans, the so-called patriots.

You certainly don’t mean GOP opposition concerning the Bin Laden raid, or are you talking about Obama ignoring his generals request for 40,000 troops and providing only 30,000 to continue the
” good war ” which he has now decided we should precipitously withdraw from against his generals suggestions, and with that lose all gains, while turning over all of our successes to the Taliban. He’s doing what he always does and that’s sitting on the fence for his own political benefit, trying to be a hawk and dove simultaneously, or just voting present.
We need an actual president that will ” lead this country ” not just look out for his and his party’s political careers.

And what would you be saying if the mission had failed? Would you be blaming President Obama? 

I THINK SO!

So no credit for success but 100% blame for failure.

So, in Tommy’s world, telling the truth is belittling Obama?

Honestly, how absurd that is.  Bush pursued OBL, Obama maintained Bush’s policy on wanting him “dead or alive”; and after years and years and more years of intelligence gathering and following the leads, we got him.  Thank to our intelligence community and our special forces.  To credit Obama for this is absurd on its face, and to suggest that Trump is belitting Obama is equally as absurd.

Of course Trump is essentially right. Obama did not gather the intelligence or conduct the raid. The whole process was a long drawn out affair that seems to have seamlessly continued across administrations. For that, Obama and his team deserve credit. But I think the point, that any President who was given the same info, probably would have made the same “gutsy call” is correct. But with all that said, Rudy Giuliani made the best case for why people need to give Obama credit……If the mission had failed, everyone would blame Obama, everyone! Repubs, Dems, some in his own administration, even. So, if you concede that he would have been blamed and you accept that, then you HAVE to give Obama credit for its success.

 Q:  ‘Who Wouldn’t Make That Decision?’
 A:   George Bush (with help from Cheney Im sure).  Toa Bora?  You get Bin laden, no Iraq.

Oh, Henry,

Nice try, but epic fail and no, TF is not stoopid.  But you?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stoopid

or, knock yourself out ya’ stoopid monkey:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=stoopid+&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=2&oq=stoopid+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=0l0l1l94l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0

And, you said the same thing about the democrats when Saddam Hussein was executed?  I believe that was also a huge public relations win for the U.S. and Iraqis.  After all, doing away with a mass murderer responsible for hundreds and thousands of deaths, quite an achievement for those boys that drug him out of that hole and for this country and the Coalition of the Willing.

Algore’s buddy?   lol, you are going off the deep end, reaching out, grasping, grasping.  lol

I think if s/he gives you any more truth and reality your head will explode.

Who are these “MANY” of the GOP that cornered and critiqued the little guy?  Or the Democrats that thought his actions weren’t well thought out?  Could it be because the whole thing was devoid of his actions and being on the golf course when the CIA Director, Sec’s of State and Defense  are carrying the weight, that was indeed, thoughtless.

What generals?  Hamas?  You are the one flying in another dimension, way out there.

Looks like the world, wasn’t so moved.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2011/0502/Osama-bin-Laden-killed-How-the-world-is-reacting

Hogwash!

Those “MANY MANY MANY” military and Congress members that did not agree with the action to take out OBL ought to be easy for you to source.  Let’s see what you got.  That whack job HR activist from the UN doesn’t count.

Did Roosevelt and/or Truman ever claim that victory in the War depended on the demise of the leaders of the enemy? Had either of them gloat of victory if the heads were killed but the war still raged?

Only a small-minded egotistical little person and his totally predictable acolytes would gloat about killing the head of a snake, while the rest of the body of that same snake is squeezing the life out of the hunter who destroyed the head.

Let’s face it: The TERROR is still on. Instead of getting into the U.S., flying as legitimate passengers on U.S. airlines, they sneak into America by Mexico and plan their anti-American activities in U.S. universities, under the tutelage of anti-American professors. The death of Osama changed NOTHING. Osama bin Laden was rendered worthless by G.W. Bush when the first bomb on Afganistan was dropped. The death/assassination of a useless and inconsequential person is about as important as who is the loser in the SuperBowl.  

Yes

It was a very simple rule. Such a shame.

President Bush did not believe in broadcasting what we do with Special Ops forces as they operate in secret,  it makes no sense to prepare the enemy or warn them of your future intentions.  President Bush had made a pact with Mushariffe that we would be allowed to enter Pakistan and take out bin Laden, Obama continued the agreement and until the NATO shoot out at the border we had drones based in Pakistan.  Again, all agreed to prior to Obama, Obama continued to process set up by Bush and now, the world, our enemies as well, are well informed of what will now have to be….past practices.

Bush did not have the opportunity to capture or kill OBL at Tora Bora without our troops being slaughtered in the mountains.  Bigger footprint, bigger target, our troops aren’t to be used like sitting ducks.  You can’t brag that Obama took out Qaddafi without the loss of troops and expect Bush to send them to slaughter.  Enough of this decade long crap!

Which is essentially the agreement President Bush and Musharraf had, only it was secret.

Who in the heck cares about pundits attacking presidential positions, ever hear of MSNBC, Air America, MSM?  Eight years of multiple daily attacks.  If the little guy can’t take the attacks, he needs to find a different line of employment, perhaps stay at home dad, farm the little woman out.

Now you are spamming, if we want Media Matters or other lefty garbage sites we can go laugh at it ourselves without wasting bandwidth.  I have book shelfs full of books written about both theaters, written by those directly involved, I don’t need a leftist arm chair warrior to tell me stories about what they think happened.

Answering your own hypothetical, what a way to go through life, so much easier to not have to deal with reality.

So you are sure, the decision was made by General Franks and the CIA; Rumsfeld agreed and we did not send our troops to slaughter not knowing, with a high percent, that OBL was in there.

In the end, the intelligence that had bin Laden in there was wrong, he was in there but not where the troops would be sent, he went out through a northern pass, not south into Pakistan as some of the erronious intel has had everyone to this day believing. 

The right call was made and you liberals did not get your body bags to whine about.

Haha right…and YOU know this is true ,right? Your “intel” isnt erronius. Right.   No sorry, they needed their boogey-man so they could invade Iraq.  Bush said himself he didnt care about Binladen.

That’s because there is —o— support for the comment! Would you like some grape or cherry Kool-Aid with that spin?

Not all Republicans, but nearly “all” “tea” partiers,… yes!

Mosesdinoark, i think you should work on spelling, punctuation and sentence formation before trying to debate someone that’s obviously been paying attention to current events and near-history far better than you have. Not to mention their response far more well-structured than yours.

I wouldn’t consider Trump nor Gingrich Republicans. But with Republicans (and Republican voters) considering them so we may as well say Obama has already won next year’s election if Newt Gingrich is the GOP pick,

The only reason this is not “a big deal” to conservatives is because Obama accomplished it. 

The only place liberals would have condemned Bush for capturing/killing bin Ladin is in the minds of conservatives trying frantically to justify Bush intentionally failing to achieve this goal… which was the entire point of going to war in the Middle East… supposedly.

worst president ever title goes to….drumroll……your boy Dubya….followed by Nixon then Carter……all based on lifetime approval ratings….google it

That is truly ridiculous.  If Bush had taken out bin Ladin, he would have appeared in the White House press room with Osama’s head stuffed into his pants, and Tweetie would have been talking about how there was a thrill up his leg.

Let’s see…none of my fellow combat vets are protesting the kill.
I doubt many of the families of 2,996 murdered and the more than 6,000 injured from  the 9/11 attack are complaining about the kill.

Stand up and be counted if you believe it was wrong to hunt down and execute bin Laden.

Btw: those are aviator glasses, not reading glasses. :OP

I’m amazed at the speed of revisionism in history.

People supported Bush’s decision on the Iraq war because he, Rice and Cheney were prepared to lie about WMD. Rice going so far as to paint the spectre of nuclear “mushroom clouds”. We trusted the President and the “lame stream media” was totally complicit.

We now know that we were decieved.

Typing on my phone…Im not worried about punctuation or “sentence formation” on an informal blog post Mr English Prof.   His “near-history” is “off” to the say the least as well.  What is he citing? Rumsfelds book?  Cheneys? Please.

Poor Donald, He is so silly that he cannot even stop himself from making these totally absurd comments.  I am a life long Republican but I am feeling the stress of these silly guys who tend to THINK that they represent the party when they make these truly idiotic statements.  But being a person who works with people with problems, I truly recognize Donald’s insatiable desire to “appear” relevant” but poor thing even flunks out miserably at that attempt.  In the end, one has to just feel pity for the poor guy.  Still, we still have a big threat from those who want us out of the picture.  Still, I dare say, others who want to send us mayhem may think twice after the fine, decisive raid that killed OBL.  And for that, this Republican is saying a great big t”thank you”, Mr. President.  Keep it up.

So you are very comfortable if President Obama just let OBL live and prosper and maybe cook up another attack on our country?  Very strange attitude and I suspect your comment is no favor to our party, if you are a Republican.  Our Republican Party chairman here noted that “Only a total party ideologue or a racist could support that silly idea” and I say he was correct.

Instead of speaking to the substance of the issue, a personal attack was posted.  We have lots of folks here who make spelling errors – like me for instance – but I have never had such a disgusting comment about my post.  Most intellectual people speak to the essence of my statement and just glide over the spelling error. 

Just ignore.  And thanks for your post.  Since I am a spelling illiterate, I have to cut and paste to my auto correct program before I put it back on this site.  Most are typos but with typos and misspelling, I am the error queen!

Not just people Brian, Senators Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Feinstein, Kerry, Schumer and others who shared the same intelligence reports that Rice and Cheney had voted for the Iraqi invasion. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HJ00114:@@@L&summ2=m&

Is it possible that the intelligence in hand was wrong and that we all were mistaken?
I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist, I’m just one of those bastards who got sent over there to prosecute the war and was fortunate to return. But you go right ahead and speculate all you want.

What kind of sloppy boy are you man??
Spelling is everything in a blog, so why don’t you come back in here after you learn your ABC’s?

Hey Ilene,
Are you some old and haggard housewife who dried-up and therefore is looking to take out your sexual frustrations on others?

Might I suggest adding a Y to your K. KY is the answer!! -Peace!

So you are saying we are still losing that many jobs per month?  Or are you just a liar.  

 Why do right wingers love to rewrite history?

Why do right wingers love to rewrite history?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/targeting-bin-laden-documentary_n_943018.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/targeting-bin-laden-documentary_n_943018.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8732428/Osama-bin-Laden-raid-last-minute-intelligence-check-raised-doubts.html
 

No dear I am saying that anyone who thinks 9 plus percent unemployment three years running is any thing but utter failure is delusional.

The unemployment rate is estimated at 8.6% currently.
All rates are from http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/UNRATE.txt

When Reagan took office in Jan 1981, unemployment was 7.5%
(Highpoint in Dec 1982 was 10.8%)
In Nov 1983 it was down to 8.5%
Total change: +1.0%

Many said at the time that Reagan was toast, his policies failed.
The same pattern seems to be in play now:

When Obama took office in Jan 2009, unemployment was 7.8%
(Highpoint in Oct 2009 was 10.1%)
In Nov 2011 it was down to 8.6%
Total change: +0.8%

I can’t predict the future, but that looks like a very similar pattern. Would you say that Reagan “made the economy much worse”? (Worse than Obama by 0.2%?)

HIRING:
In Jan 2009, the economy was losing 820k jobs per month as per BLS revised numbers http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
As per Nov 2011, the private sector has added jobs for 21 straight months, most recently 140k gained, minus 20k government jobs lost. (The 120k net total is likely to be later revised upwards, as that’s been the general trend for several months.)

QUESTION:
Do you really feel that gaining 120k jobs a month worse than losing 820k jobs a month? And if so, how?

I, for one, was a Trump fan, but when he stopped pressing the issue of the Obama birth certificate, I figured him just another Pretender. Now Trump is again expressing the view that maybe Obama is not qualified by the Constitution to be President. To me this “rings” of him being a “Cat’s Paw” for Hillary Clinton rather than someone who is really interested in restoring this Nation to Greatness. But personally, I could vote Trump if he would just solidify his stand. This Nation needs a Warrior President, and Trump could fill the order. The Republican candidates are really “sissy boys” (I hold hope for Bachmann), and Trump could be just the person we need to deliver us from this Swamp of Corruption that we now wallow in. Donald Trump,  declare yourself the Republican candidate and move forward. Debate Gingrich at “your” debate. Let the American people know that there is someone out there with the guts and determination to bring this Nation back from Socialism, and feel free to contact me for ideas.
Lord Howard Hurts  freedomfiles.blogspot.com

No one actually saw bin Laden at the compound.

CNN: “CIA analysts rated the probability of bin Laden living at the house at between 60-80%.”

So there was a significant risk that he would not be found.

There was also the risk of a booby-trapped building (as we’ve seen in Afghanistan and Iraq), armed resistance, and helicopter/equipment malfunctions, which did happen.

“When you go into something like this, there are no guarantees. There’s the fog of war. Things go wrong that you don’t really
plan or intend.” – Dick Couch, a Navy SEAL during the Vietnam War who later worked for the
CIA

I guess the counterpoint to Trump’s claim is all the crap that candidate Obama took in 2007 and 2008 for saying he would direct US forces to hunt al Qaeda down “in Pakistan” … “unilaterally if necessary.”

He was called “naive” by pundits, and drew heavy criticism from all sides — Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, etc, etc.

The President has not claimed “victory” or “mission accomplished.” The hunt is still on. The purpose of his “Ask Osama bin Laden if I practice appeasement” comment was to respond to claims that he is practicing appeasement — which seems quite obviously false based on the escalated body count of senior al Qaeda leaders. If you think targeting senior al Qaeda leadership is “inconsequential,” I think you are confused.

Does no one remember the heavy criticism that candidate Obama received in 2007 and 2008 for saying he would direct US forces to hunt al Qaeda down in Pakistan?

“I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges.
But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains
who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a
terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda
leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value
terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.” – Senator Barack Obama, Aug 1, 2007

LIMBAUGH: Well, we’ve got another tape from — I get these
guys confused — Usama bin Laden. Another tape says he’s going to invade
Pakistan and declare war on Pakistan and Musharraf, which, ladies and
gentlemen, puts him on the same page with a Democrat presidential candidate –
that would be Barack ‘Uss-Obama.’ And let’s go back to August 1st: ‘U-Bama’ gave a speech on counter-terrorism, and here’s a portion of
what he said.

OBAMA [audio clip]: If we have actionable intelligence about
high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will.

LIMBAUGH: All right, so, we’re going to attack Pakistan. Poor
Musharraf’s going to get it on both ends if Barack’s elected. [The Rush Limbaugh Show, Sept 9, 2007]

Sean Hannity said Obama “would bomb an ally, General Musharraf in
Pakistan,” and suggested that Obama’s remarks “say that Barack Obama is not
qualified to be president of the United States.” [Fox
News, Hannity & Colmes, Aug 14, 2007]

Hannity later claimed that Obama said he would “maybe invade an ally like Pakistan
and potentially create a theocracy with nuclear weapons,” and described Obama’s
position as “frightening.” Hannity’s opinion was seconded by
former Bush aide Karl Rove, who said: “This goes back to the inexperience
that he has. Remember, he — you’re right about Pakistan. We’ve talked briefly
about what he said with regard to the rogue state.” [Fox
News, Hannity & Colmes, May 12, 2008]

“Barack Obama, losing ground to Hillary
Clinton because he seemed naive about real world threats, frantically suggesting
that he would invade Pakistan.” [The Weekly Standard, Aug 13, 2007]

“[Obama] once
insisted that US forces invade Pakistan in search of Osama bin Laden -
seemingly without regard for the potential consequences of attacking a nuclear-armed
nation, ally or not.” – New York Post, Sept 8, 2008

“Then, in a prepared speech, Obama publicly
threatened to invade Pakistan, a key – and already teetering – ally in the war
on terror. He followed that diplo-disaster with a blanket statement – again, in
public – that he would not even consider using the single greatest weapon in
America’s arsenal to combat the terrorists. We’d still be fighting the Japanese if Harry Truman – a
Democrat unafraid to fight – subscribed to this fuzzy fringe foreign policy.” – New
York Post, Aug 3, 2007

“Frankly, what he’s saying about Afghanistan and Pakistan
is loonier than anything he’s said about Iraq. For instance, the idea that we
should send ground troops into Pakistan — look, our troops only get their
supplies, their water, their food, their gasoline, their bullets, their spare
parts through Pakistan. So, we’re going to invade the country through which we
get our supplies — that means the routes closed. We can’t resupply them by air, and you’re forcing the Pakistani military
to fight us. This is crazy.” – Military analyst Ralph
Peters on Fox News, July 15, 2008

Fox News host John Gibson:
JOHN GIBSON: Barack Obama suggested we invade Pakistan, this
week, he’s a loser.

KURT LONG: Yes, he is, not quite yet, but I think he’ll definitely
be a loser in November, in about a year. Yeah I think that’s going to be a definite
loser. [Fox News, The Big Story, Aug 3, 2007]

“Will we risk the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate who
once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan?” – John McCain, February 2008

“Senator Obama has also advocated sending our U.S. military into
Pakistan without the approval of the Pakistani government, invading the sovereign territory of a troubled partner in the war
against terrorism.” – Sarah Palin, October 2008

“Sen. Barack Obama performed an immense service on Wednesday by delivering a speech on
terrorism in which he basically promised that, as president, he would
invade Pakistan. Now, the substance of the speech is highly
questionable: This country is never going to insert military forces to
conduct a major campaign against al Qaeda inside Pakistan without the
permission of that country’s government. It won’t happen if Obama
becomes president – nor if Hillary Clinton or Rudy Giuliani or Frosty the Snowman wins the job.” – New York Post, Aug 3, 2007

good work

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