The dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet only lands in Europe.

The media will try desperately to pin the label “Christian” on him, just like they did McVeigh who was NOT a Christian extremist by any stretch, there was no religion involved with McVeigh and probably not with this dude either.

If this was a “Christian” religious attack he would have killed a sh*tload of NON-Christians. 

Trying to score political points off the death of innocents.  Like we haven’t seen this before.

Extremists of ALL stripes are a problem, and not not represent the views and actions of the larger movement.  That’s why we call them “extremists.”

But here comes another back and forth political battle, which will wind up mocking the dead, insulting their families, and ignoring the broader issues surrounding it all.  What a shame.

I’m just surprised that they haven’t blamed it on Sarah Palin yet.

Spin it!

FOXandFrauds is like the washing machine of the organization, except colors are never allowed and you come out feeling dirty.

That’s weird, because they just had James Clyburn on.

As I predicted here within hours of the shooting….the mainstream media will only cover this story to the extent that they can smear conservatives and Christians.  And this is the same media that won’t even whisper the word “Islam” after a Muslim terrorist incident — witness the Ft. Hood shooting.  The double standard is appalling, and a big reason why most Americans distrust the mainstream media outlets. 

This isn’t a ‘Christian’ attack in the same way 9/11 wasn’t a ‘Muslim’ attack.  They are both attacks purported by extremists, not the religion they claim to embrace.

Does hastily mean after blaming it on Muslims?  Why should killing 100 innocent people be labeled extremist?  And why should we use his youtube videos or 1500 page manifesto as evidence as to how he felt?  So many questions.

I have to agree on this. Yet another tragedy fed into the left/right hate machine.

Crackpot loony-lefty Juan Cole is equating Anders Breivik with Tea Party members. Look for moonbats David Corn & Chris Hedges sing in that choir. If Breivik had a caribou head mounted on his wall at home, you just know what’s coming next.

No doubt they will find a way. Isn’t there a lot of snow in Norway? There’s your connection!

Kilmeade is a greasy little man…I don’t think a lot of people pay much attention to him…

Fact: Come up with that yourself or did your government hack handlers throw you in front of the bus?

^ OTM

“TRY”? You should inform yourself by checking out the dude’s FB and Twitter accounts and his RIGHT WING MANIFESTO.

“TRY?” Homeboy already PROVED TO THE WORLD what extreme is falls under.

READ THE NEWS BEFORE DEFENDING MASS MURDERERS

I bet heads are Exploding at FOX, trying to figure out to cover/spin THIS AND MURDUROCH SCANDAL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There’s nothing hasty about reporting about Breivik to be what he believed himself to be. Christians and conservatives can denounce him, but that doesn’t negate what his motivation was: to kill innocent people to promote his message of anti-multiculturalism and islamophobia. It’s a message that’s been adopted by conservative movements around the world, not just the United States. The rise of the English Defence League, for example. Or the immigrant-targeted shootings in Sweden last year.

Any extremist attack is a tragedy, but for any conservatives to completely deny that the message that motivated Breivik is awkwardly similar to the message that conservatives around the world are promoting is insanity.

Yeah, that unfairly labeling people is bad huh?

Fact: You will not find Christians in groups yelling in the streets celebrating the deaths of innocents like you saw in Muslims countries after 9/11 towers attack though.

It must really pain you to realize his (Kilmeade’s) program is watched daily by twice as many viewers of any other morning show on cable. heh…

It must really pain you to realize his (Kilmeade’s) program is watched daily by twice as many viewers of any other morning show on cable. heh…

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”
~ Upton Sinclair

In reading Robert Stephenson’s posts, I believe it’s okay to label all Mormons as being alike.  

No, you’ll find those Christians on websites celebrating on Mediaite and Atlas Shrugs.

Thank you. In the immediate aftermath the media ran with the supposed confession of a Muslim group, before bothering to get the facts. Did they even check to see if the group was valid? At any rate, a double standard can’t be claimed.

Fascists are in America now, they’re called progressives.

You don’t know what fascism is.  Do yourself a favor and read a book. Fascism is a a form of government where it is basically under corporate control. There only has been on fascist government, it was in Italy and it barely lasted 10 years. You are confusing two words. Much like people think theory means hypothesis.

Most watched = LAMESTREAM, no?

It must pain you to realize that no one here gives a crap about Fox’s “ratings”.

 the tea party is connected to him.  big surprise

As if turns out, Tim Phillips, President of the Tea Party group Americans for Prosperity, spoke at a Progress Party event in 2010. According to an article published in the Norweigen paper Aftenposten on April 24th, 2010:
Phillips was invited by the Progress Party leadership to talk about grassroots organizing.
But he talked mostly about how his organization is fighting for a
weaker central government and lower taxes, to health reform and climate
change.
Moreover, he spoke regularly Democrats in the U.S. as the “left side”.

the tea party once again has the blood of innocents on them.  how many more people will have to die in the conservative agenda to destroy freedom not just in america, but world wide now it seems.

 This is a repost but let me ask a few questions…

Are you saddened more that he is
called a “right-wing, Christian fundamentalist” or that he causually
walked around and shot children?

Are you feeling justified and
almost happy that he is being called these things, thus forgetting that
he causally walked around and shot children?

Right/left or Christian/Muslim, you aren’t the victims here.  Those kids are. The point I was making is that there are evil people everywhere.  It isn’t who or what they believe.  People looking to bolster political
or religious points (either side) or a call to arms to got out and get
“them,” is turning this tragic affair into something about them.  This
isn’t about them.

Remember, religious or political beliefs aren’t evil, people are.

Thank you. Very well said. I’ve argued with conservative friends of mine, who are in favor of racial profiling. I tried to tell them that the moment you focus on watching from one direction, you get hit from the other. Rep. King might want to think about expanding those hearings now. People love to cry that someone is trying to politicize a tragedy. It’s no different than the anti-drunk driving comments that were made after the star from Jackass died when he crashed his car after a night of drinking. In both cases, most people are not trying to be insensitive. The sad reality is that people refuse to listen to the warnings, until a tragedy happens. Did anyone really think Muslims were the only ones capable of terrorism? It shouldn’t take a tragedy like this to get people to pause and consider some of their prior assumptions about the world. 

Oh, shut up.

Agree totally.

Why is the media even covering this non story? It has nothing to do with ‘merica!

Did she place a bullseye over the youth camp, as well?

Explain that one for me.  Just try.

Crusader tries to start religious war. True. However, his preferred form of government is centrally planned, controlled. This puts his politics firmly on the left, ie…..national socialist (Nazi) or Iranian fundamentalism (religious nuts). Too bad libs, he still falls in the big government category, no easing your concience today. Please continue your liberal math exercises, that is: One liberal lie + One liberal lie = One liberal truth.

I wouldn’t put it past her. But I know she didn’t because she is too stupid to even come close to finding Norway on a map.

Sorry, felix_w, you right-wing extremists smeared yourself. You smeared yourself in the blood of the victims of right-wing murderous attacks. Norway is just the latest example of an ultra-right-winger run amok causing death and destruction upon society.

Sorry, felix_w, you right-wing extremists smeared yourself. You smeared yourself in the blood of the victims of right-wing murderous attacks. Norway is just the latest example of an ultra-right-winger run amok causing death and destruction upon society.

That’s correct. This was not a Christian extremist attack. It was a right-wing extremist attack. McVeigh’s attack was a right-wing extremist attack also. Thanks for pointing this out, timzank!

I thought I told you to go away.  Look, you’re diminishing the aggregate IQ of the entire inter-web just by commenting.  Yes, you are, evidently, that dim.

Using your logic, since John Wayne Gacy was a Democrat, we can extrapolate that all Democrats are serial killers.   

Such a horrific and sad story all around. My
heart goes out to the people in Norway
that are experiencing this terrible tragedy.

We are such a dividied and hostile society now that it
seems tragedies such as Norway
or the Gabby Gifford’s shooting lead some people (of all political sides) to try and score points against
people they disagree with politically.

I think anyone that tries to blame others for
the actions of a madman (madmen) are much more dangerous and despicable than
the people that are being blamed.   

We are such a dividied and hostile society now that it
seems tragedies such as Norway
or the Gabby Gifford’s shooting lead some people (of all political sides) to try and score points against
people they disagree with politically.

I think anyone that tries to blame others for
the actions of a madman (madmen) are much more dangerous and despicable than
the people that are being blamed.   

No, but you might find some Tea Baggers in the streets celebrating.

Breivik cited Atlas Shrugs and the writings of Robert Spencer, Jihad
Watch, Islam Watch, and Front Page magazine—more than 250 times in his manifesto.

Is that what your John Birch and Tea-Bagging Cracker Talking Points Kit told you to say?

And Charles Grodin was in ‘Beethoven’ with Oliver Platt who was in ‘Frost/Nixon’ with Kevin Bacon.

Seriously, dude, there’s no conclusive link between American politics and the Norway insanity. The international conservative movement that celebrates extreme and exclusive nationalism drove Breivik to murder innocents, not the Tea Party.

Duh! look at these clowns. Off course he is a right winger. If you say he is crazy, then in your minds right winger = crazy. If that’s how you define it, its fine with me. 

You are right, this shouldn’t be a moment of joy. But it is a teachable moment, and the world should use this moment to, hopefully, prevent such occurrences in the future. The vitriol didn’t just end with the arrest of this gunmen. There are those like him, here in the US, that would plant a bomb along an MLK parade route, or shoot up The Holocaust Museum. Yet we have politicians, like Rep. King, who want to limit scrutiny to Muslims. That is an irresponsible and dangerous practice. We have politicians who try to score cheap political points by drafting legislation to outlaw Sharia law. Who are they protecting with these redundant laws? Wives whose husbands might murder them, because they suspect them of infidelity? Murder is already against the law. It’s redundant. We have politicians, presidential candidates even, who want to block mosques, and I’m not even talking about the proposed one at ground zero. We have politicians that scare you with the immigrant, or the welfare queen, or the portrayal of an undeserving, admitted into college through affirmative action, foreign born, America hating, president who STOLE the position. So yes, we very much do have a problem that goes beyond just the actions of this one man. Extremism, by any group, can be a dangerous thing. Unfortunately, no one wants to have that discussion before the bombs go off and the bullets start flying.

So what? Right-wingers stick together because they have to reinforce their failed ideas off of each other. Progressives are objective and consume information from many sources. One of the reasons Fox News is popular is because it attracts stupid people. Stupid people will ALWAYS outnumber bright individuals. Especially in today’s dumbed down society.

In the same way that Democrat John Wayne Gacy = all Democrats.   

Beck: Youth Camp Attacked In Norway “Sounds A Little Like The Hitler Youth”
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201107250006

Can’t get much lower than this.

Did you ever find one credible source for your “spectrum”?  

“I think anyone that tries to blame others for the actions of a madman (madmen) are much more dangerous and despicable than the people that are being blamed.”

Including Gabby Giffords?

Looks like someone has actually been reading European media.  Silly boy.

You mean like how you ilk and maybe you jumped to the conclusion that it was the Muslims before the facts were made clear. 

Eh?  I am not talking about victims- I am talking about people who score political points on the tragedy of others sepcifically when said tragedy is caused by a deranged person.

There are examples on boths sides of the Left/Right worldview on this.

how many have you “rubbed out” getting off on these murders?

Really! isn’t the same method you assign to all Muslims. By the way if the guy says he is a Christian, then he is a Christian. It isn’t for you to judge i.e. to say who is a Christian and who isn’t. I can say many of the ideas you and your pear spread are unchristlike, that doesn’t mean you are not a Christian. 

Not on the streets, but definitely on Newspapers websites and blogs. People justifying his attacks because of different reasons, dating back decades. Isn’t that the same methodology by the other extremist, who claim they are doing it because of American actions. 

You are way off on your definition of Fascism yourself there Blow Hard.  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Do you remember when Brian Kilmeade said “not all Muslims are terrorist but all terrorists are Muslim”

Think he’s trying to cover his ass here?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/brian-kilmeade-defends-bill-oreilly-by-saying-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

When you’re rich, you can afford the best makeup artists.

If this guy were a democrat or a Muslim, you’d be all over scoring political points like bees on honey.

Like the others have said, you’re a very subdued and conniving batch of extremists, and you hide your death rallies very well.

I stand corrected, but judging by this…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

The definition does change, so it is completely useless in political debate.

I stand corrected, but judging by this…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

The definition does change, so it is completely useless in political debate.

Anyone can blurt out mindless platitudes that aren’t backed up by anything.

What’s with the hard-on for Gacy?

dude was crazy like the uni-bomber and he took out a bunch of libs, who needs measly political points?

Yah- I avoid using Wiki for point making- too many jerks on both sides of the issues try to change meanings to fit the “meme of the moment”.

Not sure that JWG wrote a manifesto that mentioned Atlas Shrugs, the writings of Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch, Islam Watch, Front Page Magazine more than 250 times, but if that makes you feel better about supporting a hateful and murderous ideology then have at it, hoss.

Obviously Kilmeade isn’t bright enough to read the article.  The shooter quoted extensively from several U.S. based sites, including Atlas Shrugs and Gates of Vienna.

Hmm.  ”The Killings In Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought In U.S.”  Shooter quotes several anti-muslim websites based in the U.S.

How exactly does that translate into “they are trying to equate Christian extremists with Muslim extremists”?

Too bad.  The guest was actually right that if we were going to dub this man the label “European fundamentalist” would be about right.

how do you explain the fact you are still alive? we just haven’t found you yet?

So progressives are patriots (wrapped in the flag) who believe in God (carrying a cross)”?

And here I thought progressives were Godless America-haters!

Thanks for clearing that up.
 

I’m legitimately asking, because she did complain about potential violence before she was attacked. I think it is a shame we have to wait until a tragedy to have a discussion like this. Maybe if we had listened to those people, on the Left/Right, earlier, we could have prevented cultivating the type of atmosphere that could inspire something like this. Yes wack jobs are wack jobs, but respected political leaders, and news outlets, should not play to their paranoia and fantasys of a succeptible and fragile mind. Politicians and news outlets hold a certain legitimacy and respect in our society. They have a certain authority. So if they are flirting with extremism or constantly pushing violent rhetoric, it could create the perception, in an unstable mind, that the world is on the brink of destruction and something must be done.    

From September 2009 through October 2010, Breivik posted more than 70
times on Dokument.no, a Norwegian site with critical views on Islam and
immigration. In one comment, he entertained the idea of a European Tea
Party movement.

Guess this psycho murdering scumbag wanting to start a Euro Tea Party doesn’t quite fit with the Fox News narrative, does it?

From September 2009 through October 2010, Breivik posted more than 70
times on Dokument.no, a Norwegian site with critical views on Islam and
immigration. In one comment, he entertained the idea of a European Tea
Party movement.

Guess this psycho murdering scumbag wanting to start a Euro Tea Party doesn’t quite fit with the Fox News narrative, does it?

unfortunately not many of you tbagging assholes can read very well…Fox News contributer Andres Behring left behind a 1500 page manifesto and a video plus like a cowardly ass republican was afraid to kill himself. hes a self indentified right wing conservative with a severe case of Islamophobia just like you morons..the only good thing out of this whole situation is the Department of Homeland Security will step up its efforts to keep you republicans under their watchful eye…The Patriot Act is about to come raining down on you freaks…i cant wait to see the FBI frog walking you screwed up conservative christian warriors out of your dark dank basements and off to Gitmo…you deserve it…hatred of everybody thats not blond haired,blue eyed and pre excorsized is gonna take a sever toll on your ranks

unfortunately not many of you tbagging assholes can read very well…Fox News contributer Andres Behring left behind a 1500 page manifesto and a video plus like a cowardly ass republican was afraid to kill himself. hes a self indentified right wing conservative with a severe case of Islamophobia just like you morons..the only good thing out of this whole situation is the Department of Homeland Security will step up its efforts to keep you republicans under their watchful eye…The Patriot Act is about to come raining down on you freaks…i cant wait to see the FBI frog walking you screwed up conservative christian warriors out of your dark dank basements and off to Gitmo…you deserve it…hatred of everybody thats not blond haired,blue eyed and pre excorsized is gonna take a sever toll on your ranks

Kilmeade is so dumb he has persecution simple.

A small segment of the palestinians reacted that way because america had been israel’s bitch.

Weren’t there multiple radical Muslim groups publicly taking responsibility for the action?  What does that tell you?

Prove it.

couldn’t put it better myself. Spot on

theres been an amazing turn of events in the last month…we’re witnessing history here…a simultanious dismantling of the moron filled conservative christian movement,bigoted hatemongering black republican presidential candidates,the tbagging repuke congress,the pending demise of The FOX NEWS Empire, the inprisonment of rupert mudoch and several other republican operatives,and radio silence on the right . You CLAIM President Obama isnt effective…Mr cool, calm and collected  from the beginning has been on a mission to take down your whole party….WE’RE ALMOST THERE

If Breivik is confirmed as a Right-wing extremist, let’s see how FNC downplays the story. If I were an FNC producer, I’d take these angles:
1) Norway Right-wing extremism different from American Right-wing extremism, if there were such a thing.
2) Liberal media using Norway story to deflect attention from deficit talks.
3) FNC research concludes that shooter mixed Right-wing extremism with occasional liberal extremism, making him an apolitical nutjob.

I think these will effectively downplay the shooter’s Right-wing extremist thoughts, thereby protecting FNC from having to admit to the existence of a Right-wing extremist and protecting FNC interests in the run up to the 2012 presidential election.

I’m sure that meeting is happening right now at FNC HQ. 

On the first point they’d have to find Norway on a map and then differentiate the far right in Norway that is neo-Nazi and that which is anti-Islam.

These people can’t walk and watch you chew gum at the same time, so I wouldn’t not hold my breath.

The conservative media was quick to label this guy as a member of Al-Qaeda before they knew who he was. Jennifer rubin and erick erickson were amongst the guilty. Now that it has a emerged he was a norweigen tea bagger, the conservatives start crying and playing the victim card. I suppose peter king will now hold a hearing into right wing christian extremism. There is a hearing today in capitol hill, maybe it’ll come up…

beck is a dispicable human being. His mum would be so ashamed right now for giving birth to such a scum

Kilmeade is so dumb he can’t walk while Doocey chews gum.

I was gonna say ,this Kilmeade moron should really learn how to read…but then again,who am I kidding?

What a sorry dumbass this man is…actually this whole Fox and Friends “triple threat” there could very well be the most stupid panel ever assembled in TV history….they truly are pathetic.

You mean those phony groups set up by your friends. You find it convenient to accept because of your hatred for Muslims, and that is telling. Would you accept it if it says it was done by Jewish Radical? Nah, I don’t think so.

Agreed, Obama has done a great job completely discrediting and taking down this movement. I don’t always agree with Obama on everything but he still has my vote.

The left is effective in so much as we didn’t need violent rhetoric and guns to win our battle, we let you losers stoke the hatred of extremists and let you destroy yourselves. This story is tragic and disgusting but hopefully the world will learn a very valuable lesson from this. When you permeate the airwaves and media with hate there are crazy people who will take up your struggle even if you are too cowardly to do it. Whether you are Osama bin Laden or Glenn Beck there are crazies out there who will heed your call. Tea Party is learning that today, the hard way.

Those saying that discussion of this man’s background and motives are nothing more than trying to politicize a tragedy, look at the comments made here on Mediaite, before the attacker’s identity was known, and ask yourself if the problem goes beyond just this one man and his actions. Irony abounds.

DavidKramer2 days ago

　
The religion of peace is really misunderstood. They really meant to have a fireworks show and it went all wrong.

The religion of peace is really misunderstood. They really meant to have a fireworks show and it went all wrong.

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Stonepark32 days ago in reply to Greg

　
I’ll do that when Muslims themselves march in protest against this violence. So far their protests against violence are deafeningly silent.

I’ll do that when Muslims themselves march in protest against this violence. So far their protests against violence are deafeningly silent.

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Stonepark32 days ago in reply to Greg

　
I prefer that Muslim Americans continue to do what they have been doing providing critical assistance and information on the radicals that emerge amongst them.. .”

Translation- “Nothing”

BTW, we must also commend all of our fellow Jews and Christians who have obviously reported and prevented attacks because I have not seen one terrorist attack by either group since 9/11- too bad the same can’t be said about our Muslims friends.

I prefer that Muslim Americans continue to do what they have been doing providing critical assistance and information on the radicals that emerge amongst them.. .”

Translation- “Nothing”
BTW, we must also commend all of our fellow Jews and Christians who have obviously reported and prevented attacks because I have not seen one terrorist attack by either group since 9/11- too bad the same can’t be said about our Muslims friends.

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just4thefax2 days ago in reply to Greg

　
Fact:

Weekly Jihad ReportJul 09 – Jul.

15

Jihad Attacks:

35

Allah Akbars:

5

Dead Bodies:

101

Critically

Injured:

264

Fact:
Weekly Jihad ReportJul 09 – Jul.
15

Jihad Attacks:

35

Allah Akbars:

5

Dead Bodies:

101

Critically
Injured:

264

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Obeezy2 days ago in reply to ProObamaAgenda

Torture and kill every last one

Torture and kill every last one

Miljanamandich2 days ago in reply to ProObamaAgenda

　
Why don’t you bow to some Muslims and then turn around and bend over. Then maybe they won’t kill YOU

Why don’t you bow to some Muslims and then turn around and bend over. Then maybe they won’t kill YOU

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Stonepark32 days ago in reply to ProObamaAgenda

　
I’m sure your lib behind protests Christians in general you unabashed bigot. Muslims are killing and insulting humanity except haters like you and the left who support terrorist, child killers, and those who kill innocent people.

You are truly an American embarrassment, miscreant and unmitigated purveyor of liberal hate, racism and bigotry.

I’m sure your lib behind protests Christians in general you unabashed bigot. Muslims are killing and insulting humanity except haters like you and the left who support terrorist, child killers, and those who kill innocent people.

You are truly an American embarrassment, miscreant and unmitigated purveyor of liberal hate, racism and bigotry.

Stonepark32 days ago in reply to ProObamaAgenda

　
You forgot to list the examples of Christian led violence, you pathetic miserable POS.

You forgot to list the examples of Christian led violence, you pathetic miserable POS.

Jp70772 days ago in reply to Greg

　
when I see MAJOR demonstrations in muslim countrys against this kind of violent jihad…I will beleive you. They seem to take to the streets for every other reason

when I see MAJOR demonstrations in muslim countrys against this kind of violent jihad…I will beleive you. They seem to take to the streets for every other reason

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DavidKramer2 days ago in reply to Greg

　
Yes, I know, only a small percentage of 1.5 billion. Let me see 1%= 15 million or say .05% is 7.5 million or say .01% is 150,000.

I know, I know, it is only a few radicals. Oh well, I guess the polls from Egypt mean nothing either. You know, the ones that showed that the vast majority want to institute Sharia law (that includes killing gays and apostates) and that the majority wants to attack Israel.

I know, I know, they are a peace loving religion. As soon as everyone submits to it there will be peace.

Yes, I know, only a small percentage of 1.5 billion. Let me see 1%= 15 million or say .05% is 7.5 million or say .01% is 150,000.

I know, I know, it is only a few radicals. Oh well, I guess the polls from Egypt mean nothing either. You know, the ones that showed that the vast majority want to institute Sharia law (that includes killing gays and apostates) and that the majority wants to attack Israel.

I know, I know, they are a peace loving religion. As soon as everyone submits to it there will be peace.

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GET THEM OUT OF EUROPE 2 days ago in reply to Greg

　
“Only a minute percentage of Muslim’s are also violent jihadi’s”

Always apologizing for muslims. It only takes an active minority to create chaoes. The simple fact is that muslims DO NOT CONDEMN their counter parts acts amkes the mayority of them CONSPIRATORS.

Most muslims are sympathizers of Hezbollah, Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood and other terrorist organizations – Take a look at who’s making havoc in Egypt, Algeria, Yemen, Syria, Libya, they seem so peaceful.

Muslims will always find a way to blame the West for every terror act committed by muslim radicals

If only a tiny wini fraction of muslims (lets say 2%) were actively involved or supporting terrorist acts. THAT WILL BE 20million Islamic terrorist worldwide – BTW who finances muslim radicals?

Poor little muslims they are so misunderstood

“Only a minute percentage of Muslim’s are also violent jihadi’s”

Always apologizing for muslims. It only takes an active minority to create chaoes. The simple fact is that muslims DO NOT CONDEMN their counter parts acts amkes the mayority of them CONSPIRATORS.

Most muslims are sympathizers of Hezbollah, Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood and other terrorist organizations – Take a look at who’s making havoc in Egypt, Algeria, Yemen, Syria, Libya, they seem so peaceful.

Muslims will always find a way to blame the West for every terror act committed by muslim radicals

If only a tiny wini fraction of muslims (lets say 2%) were actively involved or supporting terrorist acts. THAT WILL BE 20million Islamic terrorist worldwide – BTW who finances muslim radicals?

Poor little muslims they are so misunderstood

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Larry Phine1 day agoin reply to Greg

　
Always we hear how only a “minute percentage of Muslim’s are also violent jihadi’s” so why don’t the overwhelming majority of “peaceful Muslims”(?) “hold the monsters amongst them” accountable? Could it be that there’s only a minute percentage of Muslim’s that are non-violent jihadists? Since those cowardly Islamic terrorists, in the pursuit of a global caliphate, have been on a murderous rampage for centuries so only a minute percentage of Muslim’s are peaceful Muslims.

Always we hear how only a “minute percentage of Muslim’s are also violent jihadi’s” so why don’t the overwhelming majority of “peaceful Muslims”(?) “hold the monsters amongst them” accountable? Could it be that there’s only a minute percentage of Muslim’s that are non-violent jihadists? Since those cowardly Islamic terrorists, in the pursuit of a global caliphate, have been on a murderous rampage for centuries so only a minute percentage of Muslim’s are peaceful Muslims.

Unicon2 days ago in reply to Stonepark3

　
Mayor Bloomberg sure has his work cut out on educating all of us about them peaceful Muslims !1!

[Is another Mega Mosque in order?]

Mayor Bloomberg sure has his work cut out on educating all of us about them peaceful Muslims !1!

[Is another Mega Mosque in order?]

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stormin19612 days ago

　
would love to know more about the identity of the gunman on that island. why are they not releasing that info?

would love to know more about the identity of the gunman on that island. why are they not releasing that info?

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Paul G2 days ago

　
The LSM will stick with the story (My story) that it was the Amish. In other words..ignore it.

I don’t know what it will take to get the LSM (and you other libturds) to wake up and see these ‘ppl’ WANT TO KILL US!!

The LSM will stick with the story (My story) that it was the Amish. In other words..ignore it.
I don’t know what it will take to get the LSM (and you other libturds) to wake up and see these ‘ppl’ WANT TO KILL US!!

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DavidKramer2 days ago in reply to Paul G

Didn’t you know, that it was probably one of them thar white extremist Tea Partiers of the Freedom Religion. They are always going around chopping off heads, flying planes into skyscrapers, hanging gays and apostates, raping and pillaging, burning Churches and Mosques……………….oh WAIT!

Personally, I think it was the Norwegians.

Didn’t you know, that it was probably one of them thar white extremist Tea Partiers of the Freedom Religion. They are always going around chopping off heads, flying planes into skyscrapers, hanging gays and apostates, raping and pillaging, burning Churches and Mosques……………….oh WAIT!

Personally, I think it was the Norwegians.

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ChuckfromTacoma2 days ago

　
Well PM Stoltenberg, the clowns have called for a new game of Cowboys and terrorists. You may just have to man up and fight to win. It is a global war and the jihadist’s just invited your participation in the only way they know how.

Mr Mayor, you are deluded. Peace is on hold until you either surrender to or kick some terrorist ass.

My heart goes out to the people of Norway. You are now at war.

Well PM Stoltenberg, the clowns have called for a new game of Cowboys and terrorists. You may just have to man up and fight to win. It is a global war and the jihadist’s just invited your participation in the only way they know how.
Mr Mayor, you are deluded. Peace is on hold until you either surrender to or kick some terrorist ass.
My heart goes out to the people of Norway. You are now at war.

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TinafromTampa2 days ago

　
But, but, but…didn’t janet just say that the worst among us, the most suspicious among us, are white middle class???

“A new promotional video released by the Department of Homeland Security characterizes white middle class Americans as the most likely terrorists,…”

Don’t tell me that team Obama is missing the mark again.

But, but, but…didn’t janet just say that the worst among us, the most suspicious among us, are white middle class???

“A new promotional video released by the Department of Homeland Security characterizes white middle class Americans as the most likely terrorists,…”

Don’t tell me that team Obama is missing the mark again.

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Paul G2 days agoin reply to TinafromTampa

　
No..It’s white 94 year old grandmothers!

No..It’s white 94 year old grandmothers!

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Stonepark32 days ago in reply to TinafromTampa

　
Yes attacks like this mean we need to spend millions on investigating the exiguous

and impotent white groups that no one has ever heard of to see just what threat they pose to liberty.

Yes attacks like this mean we need to spend millions on investigating the exiguous
and impotent white groups that no one has ever heard of to see just what threat they pose to liberty.

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just4thefax2 days ago

Fact: I’m glad those stooges claimed responsibility

because I thought it was the Muslims. I knew I was wrong because they are for

peace.

Fact: I’m glad those stooges claimed responsibility
because I thought it was the Muslims. I knew I was wrong because they are for
peace.

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MadCharles2 days ago

　
Those angry white guys are really smoking it up today. Too bad the borders are still wide open allowing more angry white guys to flood America. Way too many white old ladies and white kids are still getting through the security checks. Just you wait until they take out your kids elementary school, local mall, pizza parlor or all of the above. We’ll just have to set up white camps and heard those hate full terrorist straight to the ovens. Good job Bush/Obama

Those angry white guys are really smoking it up today. Too bad the borders are still wide open allowing more angry white guys to flood America. Way too many white old ladies and white kids are still getting through the security checks. Just you wait until they take out your kids elementary school, local mall, pizza parlor or all of the above. We’ll just have to set up white camps and heard those hate full terrorist straight to the ovens. Good job Bush/Obama

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2012freedom2 days ago

　
Color me surprised.

Color me surprised.

DavidKramer2 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

If you watch the vid, notice the excuses given for the rapists. Yes, it is society’s fault.

What are the odds that if a person is raped in Norway, that the perpetrator will be committed by a foreign born person?

Over the past five years, that would be 100%.

I wonder what the odds are for terrorist attacks?

Hey Norway, how goes your multiculturalism?

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Paul G2 days ago in reply to DavidKramer

　
DaveDaveDave…….”We” just don’t understand ‘them’

DaveDaveDave…….”We” just don’t understand ‘them’

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Azarkhan2 days ago

　
The End of Europe – Mark Steyn (1 of 5)

The End of Europe – Mark Steyn (1 of 5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Steyn’s take on the Islamisation of Europe. Steyn begins at the 5 minute mark (after intro). The entire series is excellent.

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Nietzschean2 days ago in reply to insideguy

　
I think their systems might be sustainable if they were naive enough to invite a primitive, third-world population with an alien, absolutist religious/political philosophy.

I think their systems might be sustainable if they were naive enough to invite a primitive, third-world population with an alien, absolutist religious/political philosophy.

Azarkhan2 days ago

Swedish girls Malin and Amanda were on their way to a party on New
Year’s Eve when they were assaulted, raped and beaten half to death by four
Somali immigrants. Sweden’s largest newspaper has presented the perpetrators as
“two men from Sweden, one from Finland and one from Somalia”, a testimony as to
how bad the informal censorship is in stories related to immigration in Sweden.
Similar incidents are reported with shocking frequency, to the point where some
observers fear that law and order is completely breaking down in the country.
The number of rape charges in Sweden has tripled in just above twenty years.
Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six – 6 – times as common
today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have
rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban
areas.

Swedish girls Malin and Amanda were on their way to a party on New
Year’s Eve when they were assaulted, raped and beaten half to death by four
Somali immigrants. Sweden’s largest newspaper has presented the perpetrators as
“two men from Sweden, one from Finland and one from Somalia”, a testimony as to
how bad the informal censorship is in stories related to immigration in Sweden.
Similar incidents are reported with shocking frequency, to the point where some
observers fear that law and order is completely breaking down in the country.
The number of rape charges in Sweden has tripled in just above twenty years.
Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six – 6 – times as common
today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have
rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban
areas.

http://majorityrights.com/inde...

See also David Kramer’s comment.

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Nietzschean2 days ago in reply to David

　
LOL. Look at this lefty applauding the rape of two young Swedish girls by savages who were taken in by Sweden out of compassion for their plight. Wake up, you naive European liberals

LOL. Look at this lefty applauding the rape of two young Swedish girls by savages who were taken in by Sweden out of compassion for their plight. Wake up, you naive European liberals

just4thefax2 days ago in reply to insideguy

　
Fact: Muslims like to marry 4 year olds they are a great bunch that should be praised.

Fact: Muslims like to marry 4 year olds they are a great bunch that should be praised.

Nietzschean2 days ago in reply to insideguy

　
Our violent crime rates in the US wouldn’t be nearly so high if it weren’t for all the blacks and hispanics.

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Our violent crime rates in the US wouldn’t be nearly so high if it weren’t for all the blacks and hispanics.

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just4thefax2 days ago in reply to insideguy

　
Fact: I blame the past liberals stopping crusaders that should have finished the job then.

Fact: I blame the past liberals stopping crusaders that should have finished the job then.

Nietzschean2 days ago in reply to insideguy

　
Most of this crime comes from immigrants. All your mystery numbers (wikipedia?) show is that the native white populations are quite peaceful and civil.

Most of this crime comes from immigrants. All your mystery numbers (wikipedia?) show is that the native white populations are quite peaceful and civil.

DavidKramer2 days ago in reply to insideguy

　
Why do they need immigration? Why is it that the people cannot reproduce themselves to keep their population going?

Is it maybe because the leftist insanity to kill off whole generations by abortion? Is it the leftist insanity to kill themselves off for their own willful self indulgence? It is the leftists that feel that the world is over populated, why don’t they just all commit seppuku and get it over with already?

Why do they need immigration? Why is it that the people cannot reproduce themselves to keep their population going?

Is it maybe because the leftist insanity to kill off whole generations by abortion? Is it the leftist insanity to kill themselves off for their own willful self indulgence? It is the leftists that feel that the world is over populated, why don’t they just all commit seppuku and get it over with already?

Azarkhan2 days ago

　
Western Europe and America need to immediately stop the immigration of Muslims into their countries. Europe also needs to stop the entry of Turkey into the European Union.

Western Europe and America need to immediately stop the immigration of Muslims into their countries. Europe also needs to stop the entry of Turkey into the European Union.

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Azarkhan2 days ago

In Australia, Norway, Sweden and other Western nations, there is a
distinct race-based crime in motion being ignored by the
diversity police: Islamic men are raping Western women for ethnic reasons.
We know this because the rapists have openly declared their sectarian
motivations.

When a number of teenage Australian girls were subjected to hours of
sexual degradation during a spate of gang rapes in Sydney that occurred between
1998 and 2002, the perpetrators of these assaults framed their rationale in
ethnic terms. The young victims were informed that they were “sluts” and
“Aussie pigs” while they were being hunted down and abused….

In Australia, Norway, Sweden and other Western nations, there is a
distinct race-based crime in motion being ignored by the
diversity police: Islamic men are raping Western women for ethnic reasons.
We know this because the rapists have openly declared their sectarian
motivations.

When a number of teenage Australian girls were subjected to hours of
sexual degradation during a spate of gang rapes in Sydney that occurred between
1998 and 2002, the perpetrators of these assaults framed their rationale in
ethnic terms. The young victims were informed that they were “sluts” and
“Aussie pigs” while they were being hunted down and abused….

http://archive.frontpagemag.co...

For “insideguy”. Enjoy fool.

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Azarkhan2 days ago

　
Muhammad married a 9 year old girl, Aisha. That is why Muslim pigs feel they can rape young girls with impunity.

Muhammad married a 9 year old girl, Aisha. That is why Muslim pigs feel they can rape young girls with impunity.

Nietzschean2 days ago in reply to Azarkhan

　
He married her when she was 6. The consensus among islamic scholars is that he “consummated” (i.e. raped her) the marriage when she was 9.

He married her when she was 6. The consensus among islamic scholars is that he “consummated” (i.e. raped her) the marriage when she was 9.

Struckgld2 days ago

　
With 2 billion Muzzies in the world, if just 1% of them are terrorists believing in killing women and children in the name of their ” prophet”, that would be 20 MILLION crazy jihadists.

Compound that with the fact perhaps as many as 90% of Muslims are either SCARED TO DEATH of that 1% among them and / or quietly believe in what they are doing.

With 2 billion Muzzies in the world, if just 1% of them are terrorists believing in killing women and children in the name of their ” prophet”, that would be 20 MILLION crazy jihadists.

Compound that with the fact perhaps as many as 90% of Muslims are either SCARED TO DEATH of that 1% among them and / or quietly believe in what they are doing.

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timzank2 days ago in reply to Magister

　
“After all, there are other types of terrorists and/or assassins in the world.”

Not very many you blind fool.

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“After all, there are other types of terrorists and/or assassins in the world.”

Not very many you blind fool.

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You are correct, sir. The entire progressive movement grew up simultaneously with fascism in Europe, and each borrowed from the other. Each, carried to its extreme, ends in totalitarianism.

Did anyone really think Muslims were the only ones capable of terrorism?

I agree 100%, I seen Obama use Terrorist tactics when he announced he might not be able to pay the Elderly while having the money to do it. Shameful, Terrorism can be a very broad range and definition of people and agendas, we need to stay focused and aware how threats are just as harmful.

That there are a lot of nutty extremists in this world.

I’m going to come to your defense on this one. I don’t remember you posting any of the stupid comments that were posted before we knew this man’s identity.

In college if it was found out that you used wikipedia for any reference, it was an automatic failure!

Wait we can’t? damn! lol

The controversy seems to be focused not on what Anders Breivik’s real motives were, or what kind of a monster he is, but how the story line can be manipulated for domestic political purposes.

At this point it is worth mentioning that the public has very little confidence in the media. So it is unlikely that very many people will be influenced by what is said in the New York Times or on Fox News Channel.

http://thehill.com/polls/173173-the-hill-poll-most-voters-see-media-as-biased-unethical-and-cozy?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=

I would add that this kind of event happens frequently in places like Pakistan. Only because it is rare in Western Europe is this story being discussed at all. 

Unquestionably right-wing.  One has only to refresh oneself with the Republican Manual.

So you think that the groups that attempted to claim responsibility, were actually fake groups set up by Republicans (that’s whom I believe you mean when you say “my friends”), to claim responsibility for things they don’t actually do?

Is there any evidence or proof of that?

And who’s “accepting” anything?  My point was that this guy is a loon, and any group he’s a part of is not part of the mainstream, or following the lessons and opinions of the mainstream.  He’s an extremist… much like radical Muslims are extremists, and do not represent the mainstream of the religion.  Additionally, there were a number of reports of radical groups taking responsibility for this, and judging by past behavior and the current global situation, immediate attention was directed at that group.  Personally, I don’t think that’s too far of a leap, and since there was evidence (attempted evidence) to support it, it’s not a stretch to claim.

Does that mean the right has given up on trying to portray the president as a Muslim?

Should be pretty easy to check…

What evidence did you have? No one had any evidence, they were just making it up as time goes. Trying to pin point an Imam, or the cartoon drawing, different kind of phony excuses to just blame them. You just need to accept that you and your psycho friends were wrong.

haha this is so true.

HAHAHAHA, “European fundamentalist”, that´s a new one. This guy is a right wing Christian psychopath who in his manifesto repeats all the crazy talk you can hear from Glenn Beck for instance about the coalition between Muslims and Marxists. Not to forget he sees himself as a Crusader in the Christian tradition. So FoxNews twists the truth again, gets some mouthpiece on the screen and tries to do damage control since lots of issues voiced by Breivik are tenants of the Fox propaganda.  

One really good book (where the heck was it when I was putting in the long hours studying Fascism?) is Robert Paxton’s “The Anatomy of Fascism”.  Paxton’s specialty is Vichy France, but he’s studied and written on Fascism in a general sense his entire career.  Eminently readable unlike Zeev Sternhell’s “The Birth of Fascist Ideology”.

Go read a book.  Start with Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”…. then come talk with the grownups.  Upton Sinclair was a fudge packing zealot who used the suffering of other people to make his fortune…sounds like a liberal doofus to me. 

I will wait for the movie :)

Thats the point of this, right?

Jebus! And I thought my post were long!

Jeeler— anyone who has to use a slur like Tea-Bagging to try and put off the momentum of a group of Americans that is changing the game in state and national politics is like the third grader who is stuck on stupid on the playground and tries to make fun of the cool kids’ backpacks after they have schooled him on what pussy douche bag he is.  Why do you have nothing better to do than repeat fudgepacker Anderson Cooper’s self-hating gay slur “tea-baggers”?  The worst mistake you and your liberal fascist friends are making is that you do not understand your political adversaries.  You rely on fake news people (Jon Stewart) and fake comedians (Bill Mahr) to tell you about us….in the meantime we are taking back the state legislature and have taken back the House of Representatives in DC. 

The Liberal Fascist way is toast.  Get a clue or perish. (Yes, I already know that calling Anderson Cooper a fudgepacker is a slur.  But it is also a fact about that “gay” man….his sexual preference is to have fecal matter on the end of his bone at the end of the day. Who cares if he uses a condom.  It’s still there.  It’s still foul.  It is still an abomination. But it’s a free country.  I get to call it like i see it.  So sue me. I just like to deal with life on life’s terms and to call “gay” men what they do.  It’s all nice to use the term gay and ignore what they are selling to our sons and daughters in the public schools about “being gay”….until the kids find out  what “gay” man sex is….some of the kids puke….. the point is– Anderson Cooper is living a lie, like you, with your “tea bagger” deflection.  Know your enemy because battles are won before they even get fought.)

You didn’t just say read Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”…Oh wait you did.  I think you need to rethink who’s at the kiddie table.  

That book would have been funny if so many people didn’t take it seriously.  Why don’t you go read a book by someone who has actually studied Fascism and not that overpaid half-wit Goldberg.

I did. That’s why I’m backing you up.

“Christian”, “Muslim”. Extremists are extremists. FOX “News” is right winged extremism. This service is molded through a man who made billions collecting information and bullying. He now has been exposed to the world as a coward. To blindly go through life only seeing one point, one side, one way to an outcome, one colour… is to not live life to the fullest. Politics is is a lie, a scam, a way to divide. CNN, FOX: Is pure and utter Bullshit!

Lol, well I can’t really take credit for anything beyond the introduction.

So you have no evidence of fake groups set up to claim responsibility, in an effort to pin things on radical Muslims?  Then why did you say that?

When “my friends” (maybe you mean the media) gave theories on who it could be, they used past behavior as clues.  They looked at similar situations, and possible motives… you know, like detectives do.  Additionally, they got reports from a few groups claiming (falsely) responsibility.  So it looks like they had a little more on their side, than you seem to have… which is nothing but hate and an egocentric ideology.  Plus, I didn’t hear anyone say, “This is who it is.”  They only said, “This is who it could be.”

So you have no evidence of fake groups set up to claim responsibility, in an effort to pin things on radical Muslims?  Then why did you say that?

When “my friends” (maybe you mean the media) gave theories on who it could be, they used past behavior as clues.  They looked at similar situations, and possible motives… you know, like detectives do.  Additionally, they got reports from a few groups claiming (falsely) responsibility.  So it looks like they had a little more on their side, than you seem to have… which is nothing but hate and an egocentric ideology.  Plus, I didn’t hear anyone say, “This is who it is.”  They only said, “This is who it could be.”

Prove it.

I know, I know.  Wasn’t trying to accuse you of anything.  I appreciate your support.

I “wouldn’t not” hold my breath that you are literate. 

Hmm.  ”The Killings In Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought In U.S.”  Shooter quotes several anti-muslim websites based in the U.S.
Hmm.  Just think of the material from US websites… anti-christian, anti- Jewish extremists, etc.  can draw from.  I’m no fan of Geller, would not even bother to visit her site, have many times in the past faced hostile bloggers from both sides of the aisle defending many groups, muslims being one.  To align this horrible man to any group in the US or assume they inspired this brutal rampage isn’t right, the smirking politics is shameful.

I’m still waiting to hear if any of my Norway family members were harmed, did you say you have friends over there?  So, the commentary in the Norway threads has been personally disheartening.  We were not treated to anything of this nature by the Norwegians after 911, if only those slaughtered in Norway would be allowed to rest in peace and not drug through political mire.

Good catch, but you forgot to add (sic). :)

“Jeeler— anyone who has to use a slur like Tea-Bagging to try and put
off the momentum of a group of Americans that is changing the game in
state and national politics is like the third grader who is stuck on
stupid on the playground and tries to make fun of the cool kids’
backpacks after they have schooled him on what pussy douche bag he is.”

This coming from the person who just used the homophobic slur “fudge packer”.  Oh the irony, the hypocrisy!  Oh the LOL!

I believe you have already spammed other threads with this, wasting  bandwidth.  Isn’t it strange how one might jump on the bandwagon pointing fingers at radical elements of society after the news linked the carnarge to such a group because they claimed credit for it.  We might all try to remember the first stories coming on the heels of a tragic story such as this are almost always wrong.  Unfortunately, this isn’t the first time blame has been rendered or fingers have been pointed towards either “side”  before the true story emerged….Gabrielle Giffords shooting and the McVeigh bombing being two that come to mind.

So, now you feel the need to lash out at mediate posters, got something on them, eh?  How does that help?

Can some explain how a self described Templar Knight would be considered extreme right wing? Any entity wishing to impose religous doctorine upon the public would be a facist, not a right winger. Right wing means less government intrusion on private citizens. Extreme right wing would actually be a pure anarchist, and extreme left would be like the vatican mixed with north korea. As for the tea party. TEA stands for “taxed enough already”. It consists of right and left, conservative and liberal democrats, who feel that our government is mismanaging tax dollars on a large scale. why people would think the tea party is bad for pointing this out is beyond me. It could be because Neocons have hijacked the tea party spotlight and add their agenda to the tea party’s true agenda, a tax system with accountability. Ron Paul 2012

One man does not an orgsnization make.  This guy will be prosecuted, convicted and the sentenced.  He will never kill again.  When entire countries like Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Iran, North Korea, Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, Lebanon, Gaza, Sudan, etc become right-wing Christian terrorist threats then it will be ok to lable them a problem like Al Qeida.

Well, if the TEC-9 fits…

My friend is fine.  Talked to her yesterday actually.  I think the reason that this was even a story was that Geller was out of the gate talking about Jihad.

Could you tell the rest of the class precisely where you studied political science?

This whole “spectrum” nonsense has Cleon Skousen’s fingerprints all over it.

If there is one reputable person that has actually studied Political Science and argues for your view, by all means I am always looking for something new and interesting to read.

How does it help? It sheds light on the similiarly paranoid, xenophobic, attitudes of the man, or people http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/25/norway.terror.attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1, who did this, and a lot of the people posting on this very site. How much effort did you see to restrain the scope of the comments to the minority of Muslim extremists, or the group claiming responsibility? Do you know how many nuts there are out there who will, falsely, take credit for a horrendous crime? Remember the JonBenet Ramsey confessor? Just because someone claiming to be a Muslim group takes credit for a crime, doesn’t mean it’s open season on the entire Muslim population.
How does it help? Hopefully it will shed some light on peoples narrow minded beliefs, and serve as a lesson to us all that extremists exists in many different communities, under different flags and banners, and in support of a variety of causes. As a society we need to identify the factors that promote this type of radical atmosphere, so that EVERYONE can address the problem of extremism, not just Muslims (I’m look at you Rep. Peter King). If acheiving that goal by looking beyond just the Muslim community, and pointing out the very mindset of too many people here, is too much for you to handle…     tough.

How does it help? It sheds light on the similiarly paranoid, xenophobic, attitudes of the man, or people http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/25/norway.terror.attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1, who did this, and a lot of the people posting on this very site. How much effort did you see to restrain the scope of the comments to the minority of Muslim extremists, or the group claiming responsibility? Do you know how many nuts there are out there who will, falsely, take credit for a horrendous crime? Remember the JonBenet Ramsey confessor? Just because someone claiming to be a Muslim group takes credit for a crime, doesn’t mean it’s open season on the entire Muslim population.
How does it help? Hopefully it will shed some light on peoples narrow minded beliefs, and serve as a lesson to us all that extremists exists in many different communities, under different flags and banners, and in support of a variety of causes. As a society we need to identify the factors that promote this type of radical atmosphere, so that EVERYONE can address the problem of extremism, not just Muslims (I’m look at you Rep. Peter King). If acheiving that goal by looking beyond just the Muslim community, and pointing out the very mindset of too many people here, is too much for you to handle…     tough.

He seemed to be quite a problem for a number of people. And there’s a chance he’s not the only one. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/25/norway.terror.attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

He seemed to be quite a problem for a number of people. And there’s a chance he’s not the only one. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/25/norway.terror.attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Fox news is just shocked that there are Christian fundamentalist Muslim-haters in the world who don’t yet work for them. 

You mean like your boy, Fred Phelps and Co.  LOL  “God Hates Fags.”  “Thank God for dead….”  Yea, I see your “Fact.”

Political groups both left and right are too quick to try to gain political leverage form tragedies. The Montreal Massacre being another case in point.

Political groups, both left and right, are too slow at rooting out radical elements.

Sadly this guy might turn out to be a hero like the murderous executioner Che Guevara. We live among right wing and left wing antagonists advocating violence. Whether it is the Weather Underground (Bill Ayers or Saul Olinsky types) or militia types advocating revolution and violence, we must reject them all, not for ideas alone but for advocating bloodshed as a means of solving problems.
Some of the major European countries are now realizing that multiculturalism does not work, but they don’t kill in the name of the state. They must seek peaceful means to correct their past mistakes.

Rep King’s hearings were precisely focused on the radicalization of westerners by radical Islam to accomplish their goals. As a result there is no need to expand those hearings. That was the point. And, it is a real problem as much as the left tries to deny it.

Fred Phelps is a democrat, ran for office as a democrat, governor I believe,  and was involved in Al Gore’s campaign, even has photos of Al and Tipper at his home posted online.

Fred Phelps is a democrat, ran for office as a democrat, governor I believe,  and was involved in Al Gore’s campaign, even has photos of Al and Tipper at his home posted online.

Extremists trying to blow up an MLK parade and shoot up a holocaust museum are problems too. You are right that threats should be taken seriously, but that should mean all threats, not just Islamic radicalization.

The false confession in the Ramsey case is apples/oranges compared to a confession from a group promoting a violent agenda where such groups are known to use violent events to claim as their own.   I have muslim friends and have staunchly defended their faith for years, but, I don’t believe you are shedding light at all, you are politicizing this incident as those you claim to be exposing are, apples/apples.  As a society we are free to think and speak as we wish with few limitations, if that’s too much for you to handle….  tough.

BTW, I also think posting this mess multiple times shows little respect for the site owners and is rude to those that post here expecially when the new format hasn’t got the bugs worked out.  Scrolling through that mess once is enough, unfortunately if you want to look back to see responses, you’re stuck with the mess again.

Kilmeades stupid face just cries out for a giant slap, does it not? The guy must have absolutely no mates outside of his cardboard ones at Fox News. Actually I can’t even imagine Gretchen being able to stand him outside of the show in which she’s paid to converse with him. He truly is the stupiest ignoramous of all the Fox News morons, and that is some feat of achievement.

Yes, I did say read Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”.
I’d also like to suggest to you the book by another individual whom you would probably call an “overpaid half-wit”, Ludwig Von Mises’ “Human Action- A Treatise on Economics”. I realize that for you it is all fruit from the same “poisonous tree”.Guess you didnt read it.  lol  Try refuting Goldberg’s research, his methodology, and then rethink your chidingly childish 3rd grade level comment.  Typical liberal style of discussion— the only intelligent people are liberals.  Have at it. 

 In the meantime, people like myself are active in dismantling this behemoth tumor called “liberalism”. 

 I and at least 30 million other voters take Goldberg seriously because he did his homework and came up with an original thought— something liberals haven’t had since the days of John Dewey and his invention of “progressive” philosophy about education.  Dewey’s heart was in the right place but, surprise, he suffered from a severe case of rectal cranial inversion.

The beauty of Goldberg’s work is that the election of the current Boy Queen President in Name Only, the self-proclaimed Messiah strong man, by the liberal electorate of the United States, proves the central thesis.  But I am of the opinion that the liberal addiction is so steeped in denial that it would be folly to expect you to admit it.  Of course, you would have to actually read Goldberg to even go there.  I realize you have better things to do with your time.

Peace.
 

To excuse the posters’ comments on the basis that a supposed Islamic group claimed responsibility is to assume that the commentary would have been legitimate had that turned out to be the case. You’re willing to let them off the hook for broadly labeling all Muslims but take issue with me calling them out for what they said.

This guy agrees with you. He just prefers other means:

Breivik’s manifesto reads: “One of the most widespread manifestations of
the craziness of our world is multiculturalism, so a discussion of the
psychology of multiculturalists can serve as an introduction to the
discussion of the problems of Western Europe in general.”

How do we know KCGranny prefers other means, this could be a murderous granny we got here. I fully support waterboarding to find out what KCGranny might know about the next terror attack. Good thing Bush made it legal.

How do we know KCGranny prefers other means, this could be a murderous granny we got here. I fully support waterboarding to find out what KCGranny might know about the next terror attack. Good thing Bush made it legal.

How do we know KCGranny prefers other means, this could be a murderous granny we got here. I fully support waterboarding to find out what KCGranny might know about the next terror attack. Good thing Bush made it legal.

Muslims aren’t the only one’s capable of terrorism. However, of all the conflicts and terrorism going on in the world many more Muslims are involved than any other group.

I haven’t in any way limited their ability to say what they wish. As you point out, I helped everyone know what they said. You don’t like the post, others do. Frankly, I find the comments they posted to be quite rude, yet your priority continues to be to take issue with me. If you want to apply for the position of moderator, feel free, otherwise stop crying and get your priorities straight.

…used the suffering of other people to make (their) fortune…actually, that sounds like the Republican Party Platform.

 This is absolute utter revisionist bullcrap. This is how our right wing is going to try and spin it. Anarchist is not a right wing form of govt it is no government! How hard is that to understand. Its like saying Atheism is a religion it doesn’t work because worships no one or nothing. A Facist is a right wing form of govt always has been and always will be. You are attempting to define conservatism in you own mind. Conservatives by their very nature are anti-immigrant, low taxes, religious in that you keep trying to cut the barrier down between church and state, pro business,less regulation, anti public education, pro 2nd amendment and so on. A far right winger takes all of these ideas to the extreme thats what makes him far right get it? 

 Im going to reply to myself on this I knew this debate was going to go this way.  Its like there is a certain percent of the population who just don’t seem to get anything. Honestly a right winger in this country will literally say that nothing bad could possibly come from their end of the spectrum, how do you reason with these people? Im on the left and I would never claim that the left has only good ideas and good people, that would be stupidity. It appears as if that what we have on the right in large amounts.

If the best the TeaBaggers have is the likes of crazy-asses like Bachmann, then that battle is won before it it’s fought.

Everybody knows that an intolerant network like Fox would never try to rationalize when Muslims and or left leaning nut jobs do terrorism the same way they do for Christian right wing terrorism.

Personally I call them the triple threat because I can’t figure out who’s the most stupid on this panel…I truly can’t man…if I HAD to pick one I’d say Doocy,but the 3 of them are pathetic morons if you ask me…it’s quite amazing actually…it’s a goddamn freak show over there really.

No, but he did actually WRITE Sarah Palin’s name and her politics, and wanted to use her style, though not the American part, in his manifesto.

I have read it Bear and I don’t have to dismantle it because it has been thoroughly discredited.  Even conservative commentators took him to the woodshed, because it was pure crap.

I know of von Mises, but admit to not having read his work.  I do not see how that is pertinent to the discussion of Goldberg.  

Oh look.  I found a review from someone who has studied Fascism for his entire professional life.  Then again, what does he know, with his fancy degree, archival research and such.

You have no need for such snobbery.  But do enjoy the review and if you want to get your intellectual training wheels off read Paxton’s book. :)

http://hnn.us/articles/122231.html

Jesus, read up on him. He even mentioned Sarah Palin in his writings. He liked hunting, he liked how she wooed crowds with her conservative convictions.

That’s why the average IQ is so low. lol

Multiculturalism works fine up here in Canada…I’m from Montreal,Quebec, so there is the French language to deal with too around here (cause it’s very important in our culture),and when something horrible like this happens people come together instead of running around blaming a particular group.
Multiculturalism is an unavoidable fact in the world today…Europe,or the U.S.A. for that matter,are gonna have to deal with that.They are gonna have to accept that.

If the shoe fits …

Again fox puppets someone in front of the cameras to try to deflect the truth. Progressives are educated and see right through this bs. The crazy right is just plain country dumb, not much thought to shoot a gun…

Again fox puppets someone in front of the cameras to try to deflect the truth. Progressives are educated and see right through this bs. The crazy right is just plain country dumb, not much thought to shoot a gun…

You are very very confused. Why would America’s HLS step up to keep an eye on Republicans? This killer subscribed to being a “Knights Templar” and was truly psychotic and suffered from paranoia. Speaking of hatred- the irony of your comment speaks for itself.

I want to broaden the definition of “terrorism” to include my wife forgetting to buy the kids’ favorite brand of peanut butter when she goes shopping.

Since you want to make the word embrace just about anything you object to, I can’t see any reason I shouldn’t indulge myself similarly.

Alternatively, we could do as you say — “stay focused” — and not make up nonsensical piffle.

The Left doesn’t use violent rhetoric or guns? Are you kidding, in denial or have never studied US/World History?

LOL

The mass murderer openly celebrated one of Andrew Breitbart’s bloggers Pamela Geller on his website. The winguts are confronted with one of their own going bonkers and can’t handle it.

Since you want to make the word embrace just about anything you object to, I can’t see any reason I shouldn’t indulge myself similarly.

Straight for wikipedia:
Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal, and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants

Now think about..how broad of a definition did I embrace?
Your 80 yearsold in the real world waiting till your next check comes in to buy cat food to eat.. some yoyo comes on the news and says..well, I don’t think we are sending out the checks next month? would that fall in Political fear? catagory? we bring in 200 billion each month..50 billion is all owed to those services for this old person can eat cat food… welcome to the real world and who the real terror is. don’t candy coat it.. you didn’t hear it from any republican say anything more than even if we default, the money is already there.

 Isn’t this amazing?

 You truly are a brainwashed simpleton. Lets try this one Bear can you name a right wing group that is dangerous in your opinion come on just name one see if you can do it.

 It’s not like anyone every accused Fox News viewers of being smart.

Know your enemy, political adversaries!  Ouote: “ pussy douche bag, fudge packer, get a clue or perish, fecal matter on the end of his bone, stupid! Enemy,… would that be a right wing extermist, zealot, homophobic, fake christian, kool-aid drinking, sheep, wack job”! The key to not being called a wack job tea bagger is to “not’ , act like one and show sooo much hate! I’m sure you are a fine christian example to all!

Correct, you will just find ‘fake christians” full of hate, threats, attacks on other religions and lifestyles! Thank you for all your morals!

If you haven’t noticed, homophobia is actually waning in the US. So is overt racial prejudice. I know it must make things lonely for you, but resentment and frustration rarely lead to much good. Most people get over their homophobia around middle age. If you are there already you might want to ask yourself why it hasn’t happened for you.

I agree that the effects of Republican treason will be terrible, and may well terrify, and will take the nation into unknown territory — and possibly leave us with nothing more than scorched terrain.

But saying so is not terrorism.

I agree that the effects of Republican treason will be terrible, and may well terrify, and will take the nation into unknown territory — and possibly leave us with nothing more than scorched terrain.

But saying so is not terrorism.

It’s funny how I’m the rude one, when everything I cut and pasted came from that one article. I don’t have much sympathy for whoever moderates here if they allow that type of all out, bigoted, assault. It’s funny how out of all the people posting in response to these events you choose to take issue with me. Why is that? Some of those people are still posting similiar nonsense and I haven’t seen you calling them out. I don’t think your issue is with what I said, but who I said it about. If I were complaining about extremists liberals, would you be calling me out? Judging by the following post of yours, I doubt it:

Rio2 weeks agoGreg said:Greg says: July 8, 2011 at 2:51 pm

You avoiding Flopping Aces for some reason, Greg?

The Politics of Socialism – Obama’s PoliciesThis post is for Greg and all the other socialists who hang out here. I am anxious to see what references they come up with to refute this treatise.

http://floppingaces.net/2011/0… 

Killing people is okay, as long as they fit the arbitrary definition you have of “liberals?”

Inside guy did a good job of explaining things, but I will add some. The name Fascist comes from a bundle of sticks tied to make a thick rod. The idea is that the sticks tied side by side are stronger than any one of the sticks, and that represents the state (government). The ideology of Fascism is that all glory is in the state, not the individual. You are nothing if you are not serving the state. The leader of that state is always a dictator, and you will obey him.  Just look at Musolini and Hitler. (Nazi is the German form of Fascist.)

Check this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

I studied Political Science several decades ago. Of course I’m not “reputable” because I can say anything here without proof. But, I know for a fact that Civil got it wrong and I said so. :-)

one person, or two, can make quite a bit of damage.  ever hear of Oklahoma City>

i’m more concerned with what the investigators will find, myself.

If you were being honest about the Nazi right wing you would acknowledge that the ideology between European right wing politics and the American version are two different things. Claiming the European Nazi party is the same right wing ideology as the American right wing party is a disingenuous use of the term like clip and clip.

Do I mean to attach or do I mean to cut off?

The America right supports less government and less control. Nazis wanted more of each of these social controls. The American right wants the freedom to choose for itself, the Nazis wanted to tell the people what to do. The American right wants to home school, the Nazis required children to be enrolled in Nazi youth organizations.

Imagine if your children were required to be in the Boy scouts or Girl Scouts?

The American left always accuses they American right of being anarchist. How can they be fascists at the same time?

So, let’s be clear that the European idea of right wing is not equivalent to the American idea. One doesn’t need to do a great deal of research to know this.

If you’ll read closely in the definitions of your Wikipedia article, there is no separation of these general differences. However, there are two paragraphs in that same article that shed additional light on the idea that “Right Wing” does not necessarily apply to right wing political parties only. As is stated in the first paragraph I copied from your Wikipedia resource.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

[1] The “right wing” in right-wing authoritarianism does not necessarily refer to someone’s politics, but to psychological preferences and personality. It means that the person tends to follow the established conventions and authorities in society. In theory, the authorities could have either right-wing or left-wing political views.

In this second paragraph from the Wikipedia article you will see that the authoritarians of the cold war era were generally anti-communist and not necessarily right wing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

[2] Although authoritarians in North America generally support conservative political parties, this finding must be considered in a historical and cultural context. For example, during the Cold War, authoritarians in the United States were usually anti-communist, whereas in the Soviet Union, authoritarians generally supported the Communist Party and were opposed to capitalism.[10] Thus, authoritarians generally favor the established ways and oppose social and political change. Hence, even politics usually labeled as right or left-wing is not descriptive. While Communism in the Soviet Union is seen as leftist, it still inspired the same responses. This leaves questions over what makes various ideologies left or right open to interpretation.

This highlights the fact that “information at your fingertips” — which we’ve all become absolutely dependent upon over the last 15+ years — is not an unmixed blessing. Because it also means a vast amount of misinformation at your fingertips, along with disinformation and downright nutbaggery.

Hence sites like Mediaite, where thousands of pudknockers with limited and defective educations can hold forth with great (imagined) authority on things they don’t even understand — but about which they are very passionate. This in the company of a smaller group of people (left and right) who actually can tell the difference between shit and shinola.

In a sense of kettle-black full disclosure, I admit that I too hold forth with great authority, but in my case I’m backed up by an actual education plus decades of working in the real world, and all around the world.

But there’s no way for any of you to know whether that’s true. I could be a thirty-something night manager at Bob’s Big Boy in Bumfuque, LA, stealing bandwidth from my next door neighbor while squatting in my elderly mother’s basement. The only way I can distinguish myself is by my arguments themselves.

And on that score, the posts here are telling.

No…why don’t you tell us all about it.

No…why don’t you tell us all about it.

Well, it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far away, where the Rebel Alliance was trying to find ways to strike back against the Evil Empire they hated so desperately. . .they struck back at a place called ‘Oklahoma City’, but things didn’t go as they expected.

unfortunately, without Jedi mind-tricks and lightsabers it didn’t go all that well, and they were caught. one was executed by the Empire, while the other was imprisoned, and the Empire breathed a sigh of relief.

but the dream moved on, and returned in years to come as the Tea Party.

“You can’t explain that.”

THE END. . .for now!

Wow, “Bear” (which is it self a gay cliche, but never mind), you’ve managed to reinforce everything that I’ve written.  Your post is full of moronic non-sequiturs, hateful language and, as appears most likely, repressed, still-in-the-closet anxieties.  Fixated on Anderson Cooper, are you?  What a pathetic puddle of santorum you are.
Ooh, I bet you’re a “real man,” ain’t ya?  What with your head full ancient prejudices and a bellyful of cum.  If you’re representative of my “enemy,” well, let’s just say that I’ve come across plywood with more intellectual acumen than you.  Tell you what, 3-watt:  next time try posting without using your precious Marcus Bachmann voice.  Tea-Bagging peckerhead.

Jeel-O:  Ever notice how when a person speaks up against or calls out a homosexual doofus like Anderson Cooper, that their defenders/admirers- that would be you- come out with the predictable accusation that the one speaking out against the homosexual doofus like Anderson Cooper- that would be me- is really just someone who either a) wants to take a bone in the old catcher’s mitt; or, b) does take a bone in the old catchers mitt but is ashamed to admit it; or c) swallows semen.    Isn’t it uncanny how this happens every time someone speaks up to a homosexual, especially a homosexual celebrity or a homosexual public servant working in public school districts lecturing kids on being tolerant of “gay sex”? 

I notice it.  I speak out against homosexual politics all the time.  I dont speak out against their right to be homosexuals or a self-defined citizen.  But I do speak out about their dishonesty in telling the truth about themselves.  For example, on “Gay Night” at the local middle school, I asked one homosexual public servant who was pontificating on the value of enlightening young boys on the need to be thoughtful about the sexuality of other boys, I asked him at what age it would be appropriate for my son to be told that homosexuals have intercourse by putting their johnsons in each others mouths and rectal passages?

We had been encouraged to be honest that evening, and open.  The poor dear took “offense” and his defenders were just outraged at the question.  They went into full scale emotional triage with the public servant to make sure he was okay.  It was just absurd.  I was lectured by the defenders on how I was unsure of my own sexuality because I had asked the question “the way you asked it.”  It was absurd.  But their reactions were so predictable.  It is the same reaction each time.  I live in the SF Bay Area so these sacred cows are out in force preaching tolerance as if they are some kind of new breed of Buddhist monk or something. 

But none of them seem to think it is “appropriate” to tell young boys and girls what their bag really is, or what these young boys and girls can really expect when they “find” a homosexual to “teach” them about “gay sex”.  Who is watching out for them?

I am so glad we are having this exchange Jeel-O. It just makes me stronger.

Jeel-O:  Ever notice how when a person speaks up against or calls out a homosexual doofus like Anderson Cooper, that their defenders/admirers- that would be you- come out with the predictable accusation that the one speaking out against the homosexual doofus like Anderson Cooper- that would be me- is really just someone who either a) wants to take a bone in the old catcher’s mitt; or, b) does take a bone in the old catchers mitt but is ashamed to admit it; or c) swallows semen.    Isn’t it uncanny how this happens every time someone speaks up to a homosexual, especially a homosexual celebrity or a homosexual public servant working in public school districts lecturing kids on being tolerant of “gay sex”? 

I notice it.  I speak out against homosexual politics all the time.  I dont speak out against their right to be homosexuals or a self-defined citizen.  But I do speak out about their dishonesty in telling the truth about themselves.  For example, on “Gay Night” at the local middle school, I asked one homosexual public servant who was pontificating on the value of enlightening young boys on the need to be thoughtful about the sexuality of other boys, I asked him at what age it would be appropriate for my son to be told that homosexuals have intercourse by putting their johnsons in each others mouths and rectal passages?

We had been encouraged to be honest that evening, and open.  The poor dear took “offense” and his defenders were just outraged at the question.  They went into full scale emotional triage with the public servant to make sure he was okay.  It was just absurd.  I was lectured by the defenders on how I was unsure of my own sexuality because I had asked the question “the way you asked it.”  It was absurd.  But their reactions were so predictable.  It is the same reaction each time.  I live in the SF Bay Area so these sacred cows are out in force preaching tolerance as if they are some kind of new breed of Buddhist monk or something. 

But none of them seem to think it is “appropriate” to tell young boys and girls what their bag really is, or what these young boys and girls can really expect when they “find” a homosexual to “teach” them about “gay sex”.  Who is watching out for them?

I am so glad we are having this exchange Jeel-O. It just makes me stronger.

Can’t speak for the angry official, but it seems to me that the answer to the question about your son (if that’s what you were after and not just to be obnoxious in public) would be exactly the same age he’s told/figures out that men and women have sex by putting the man’s johnson in the woman’s vaginal, oral, or rectal passages. This is not exactly rocket science or advanced anatomy, for that matter. If he can handle one explanation, he can handle the other.

I think you may have missed something about gay people communicating tolerance to young people and asking for them to seek understanding of one another. That is precisely “what their bag really is” — understanding — and your inability to grasp that says more about you than about them.

And you may assume Anderson Cooper is gay, but I haven’t heard of him ever saying so, which makes you the asshole for presenting your assumptions about someone’s personal life as fact.

Based on your post, I couldn’t speculate why you’re such an unpleasant and bitter person and why you get into fights with people. Freud would say there’s a sexual component to your resentment and bad behavior, but what did he know?

Update: 07302011
As an addendum to my original response dated 07/27/11 02:26 AM

In talking with another individual on this topic they pointed out a very good point I had not communicated before.

One key difference between conservatives and liberals is the idea of utopia. Liberals seem to believe it’s possible and conservatives accept the imperfect world as it is. How many examples do we have in life and fiction where the attempt to make the world perfect is dashed upon the rocks. This is what the Nazis were trying to do – make a Bavarian utopia. Movies such as The Matrix elude to the idea that humans cannot live within the confines of a perfect society.

Other examples:

Communist Russia’s purpose was to perfect society and eliminate hunger, class stratification, establish an equality of people across the social board.

1984, fiction about a failed government that controls every aspect of life.

In Nazis Germany the goal was to eliminate the bad and undesirable humans.

In communist Russia they tried to fix all the bad or undesirable humans.

The anti-utopian idea laissez faire capitalism: everyone is free to try. Whether anyone succeeds or fails is without consequence exerted from the outside, aka government. You will not be punished by the government for not succeeding.
In Nazi Germany, homeless are exterminated.

In the capitalist societies, homeless are allowed to be
homeless if they choose to be so.

In communism and fascism, no one is allowed to remain on the lowest rung of society. People were rounded up and forced to meet the minimum standards or be sent off to a camp.

To want the freedom of not working and being homeless means you accept the lack of material wealth and comfort. Some people choose this kind of life such as the youth in San Francisco that choose to live in tents on public park grounds. Do you think those kids would be allowed to live in tents in the park in communist or fascist societies? No! They would be rounded up and told to go work at X or you will disappear.

Talking about the left and right without distinguishing which classification of left and right is irresponsible. To claim that the modern American right is the same as the Nazi Germany right is intermixing ideologies.