Fair and balanced. Libs can’t deal with it.

david r said:
Fair and balanced. Libs can’t deal with it.

She is probably a Mitt Romney supporter. We already know Trotter doesn’t like Obama.

Not a fan of Bachman. She doesn’t have the chops to be president. He role in the house is good, and she should stay there.

Clearly Frances Martel is a SCREAMING RAVING LIBERAL !!!

/sarcasm

Anyone interested in seeing more federal and state funds go to “Christian counseling agencies” should vote for Bachmann.

Fokker News said:
Anyone interested in seeing more federal and state funds go to “Christian counseling agencies” should vote for Bachmann.

why you want them to go to “Athiest counselling agencies” instead?

Uh oh, Liz didn’t get the memo from Roger Ailes that Bachmann and Palin are geniuses to such a high extent that even when they say something incorrect it will literally change history so therefore it is correct. The stunned response was the best, it was as if she were saying “Dear lord, this wasn’t in the cue cards”

It was nice knowing you ya, Liz

Liz is such a pompous ass. She said it when Uma was doing the interviewing cause anyone else would have handed her her head on a platter. Just a pompous jerk.

Today’s teabagger wingnuts celebrate ignorance so it just improves their standing in the swamp.

seek said:
why you want them to go to “Athiest counselling agencies” instead?

No, there is no such entity. I am just stating that Michelle Bachman will see to it that a lot more taxpayer money will go to these type of “clinics,” and if that is important to you, you should vote for her.

What the heck is a Liz Trotta?

Best regards for you all,

Looking forward to your visiting.

http://tinyurl.com/6bl2yvk/

Imagine that, a Fox News story hits the headlines and the Fox Obsessed- FokkerNews, Rokker [where's Alice at?]- immediately write posts.

Fellas, get a life. please. Its unhealthy to let a tv network CONTROL YOU like Fox controls you. I know a great psychiatrist if you dont already have one.

seek said:
why you want them to go to “Athiest counselling agencies” instead?

How about “counselling agencies” as needed without regard to religion or its absence?

Woahhh. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. At Fox News the Republican hosts have license to bash away and smear Democrats. So, for example, we have seen O’Reilly call an abortion provider “a killer” or Glenn Beck calling the president “a racist.” They are allowed to do so with impunity or issuing an apology. But, to smear a Republican is out of bounds in the Fox playbook. Just ask Chris Wallace after he asked Michelle Bachmann if she were “a flake?” Expect for Ailes to force Trotta to give an apology at some point in the near future.

rubberneck said:
Not a fan of Bachman. She doesn’t have the chops to be president. He role in the house is good, and she should stay there.

Crazy Michele is being redistricted out of her House seat. She will be like the Glenn Close character in ‘Fatal Attraction’ to the eventual GOP nominee – DEMANDING the VP slot or else! And the Tea-Fools will demand it too or they won’t vote for Willard Romney. Tea Party + Minnesota Swing State = Romney/Bachmann ticket – love it or vote Obama.

Actually, I’m pretty sure Palin studied by correspondence with the Grifter Institute of Kansas City — and failed to matriculate when her check bounced. As for Bachmann, isn’t there a “law school” in Barbados that you can attend between tides?

So you’re accusing Fox of doing something MSNBC actually did.

Girth Brick said:
Crazy Michele is being redistricted out of her House seat. She will be like the Glenn Close character in ‘Fatal Attraction’ to the eventual GOP nominee – DEMANDING the VP slot or else! And the Tea-Fools will demand it too or they won’t vote for Willard Romney. Tea Party + Minnesota Swing State = Romney/Bachmann ticket – love it or vote Obama.

There are so many ‘Lican tickets that make me want to do a little dance. Anything with Bachmann, of course . . .

Given Obama’s funding edge and the fact that Bachmann kills any ticket, that just means more Dem money for state and local races.

And I want the tea partiers to know, that I am not in anyway insinuating that it is wrong or unconstitutional for the government to buy “clinical services” that focus on proselytization,

If MSNBC allows bashing of Democrats, why’d they get mad at Halperin?

Fokker News said:
No, there is no such entity. I am just stating that Michelle Bachman will see to it that a lot more taxpayer money will go to these type of “clinics,” and if that is important to you, you should vote for her.

that is just such a stupid thing to say. I’m sure when Bachman is Pres. that will be her first “order”. You believe the crap you type or are you just bored, because your post was just plain dumb.

WillP said:
Woahhh. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. At Fox News the Republican hosts have license to bash away and smear Democrats. So, for example, we have seen O’Reilly call an abortion provider “a killer” or Glenn Beck calling the president “a racist.” They are allowed to do so with impunity or issuing an apology. But, to smear a Republican is out of bounds in the Fox playbook. Just ask Chris Wallace after he asked Michelle Bachmann if she were “a flake?” Expect for Ailes to force Trotta to give an apology at some point in the near future.

I hope he does – it was stupid on Liz’s part. Remember we are the “lazy” – you guys are the “stupid” so Liz forgot what studio she was in.

p.s. love your version of the “killer” and Beck’s comment. Do you peddle in lies for a living?

The reason Palin and Bachmann are compared is because they’re both stupid women who appeal to the same stupid people. Not because anyone wants to see those two old bags in bikinis mudwrestling.

Girth Brick said:
Crazy Michele is being redistricted out of her House seat. She will be like the Glenn Close character in ‘Fatal Attraction’ to the eventual GOP nominee – DEMANDING the VP slot or else! And the Tea-Fools will demand it too or they won’t vote for Willard Romney. Tea Party + Minnesota Swing State = Romney/Bachmann ticket – love it or vote Obama.

This is an example of a voter who doesn’t know anything except which his leaders at Kos & HP “tell him to think.”

If you knew anything about the Constitution, you’d know that the state legislator draws out the districts & since Minn. legislative houses are controlled by Republicans, there’s no chance that Bachmann’s district will be redrawn (except maybe to make it easier to get re-elected.)

lol@ “Fleabag U”.
I haven’t heard that expression since Groucho Marx was all the rage.

I would side with Trotta on her knowledge of history.

She was there.

Liz Trotta is a great and independent thinker proving the adage Fair and Balanced.

PS SP and MB rock!

Uma Pemmaraju needs to work on her upper arms, or she’s going to be in an unemployment line.

FNC hates flab.

Emma said:
Uma Pemmaraju needs to work on her upper arms, or she’s going to be in an unemployment line. FNC hates flab.

FSN (and the rest of the country) loves Chris Christie (has a tad of flab) and FSN celebrates diversity unlike the monolithic MSM (including Jon’s army of race baiters)

Worp said:
FSN (and the rest of the country) loves Chris Christie (has a tad of flab) and FSN celebrates diversity unlike the monolithic MSM (including Jon’s army of race baiters)

Or Pearl-white MSNBC

GreyGoose said:
Or Pearl-white MSNBC

Klavan has a fun peice on this phenomenon;
http://www.breitbart.tv/klavan-why-do-black-people-vote-for-democrats/

Emma said:
Uma Pemmaraju needs to work on her upper arms, or she’s going to be in an unemployment line.

FNC hates flab.

Your advise should be heeded by the First Lady. And she WILL be on the unemployment line after November 2012.

Liz Trotta – Just another East Coast has been who will say anything to get her name in the media.

RhapsodyinBlue said:
Uh oh, Liz didn’t get the memo from Roger Ailes that Bachmann and Palin are geniuses to such a high extent that even when they say something incorrect it will literally change history so therefore it is correct.

Shall I list all the stupid things Obama has said that never got mentioned in the mainstream media for fear of it making him look like an utter bafoon? How about Biden and his gaffes? They could write a book from those.

Yep, the republican party regulars can not keep their contempt for Bachman and Palin under wraps. Sarah should not bother with the republican primaries and just get that third party going with Guiliani, another outsider despised by the republican regulars. Until the tea party takes the initiative and makes it real by creating their own home, their own party, its potential as a lasting and influencial movement will never be realized.

2012freedom said:
Shall I list all the stupid things Obama has said that never got mentioned in the mainstream media for fear of it making him look like an utter bafoon? How about Biden and his gaffes? They could write a book from those.

But he’s the smartest man in the world. He’d never make a mistake….except forgetting HIS OWN DAUGHTER’s age. Not once, but twice. That’s far worse than ANYTHING Palin’s ever done.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/oops-obama-gets-daughter-malias-age-wrong-twice-during-press-conference/

Liz Trotta is way too ugly to work for FOX.

BatBoy said:
Liz Trotta – Just another East Coast has been who will say anything to get her name in the media.

Yep, more and more that is the game these days.

And the GOOD NEWS is even she didn’t call them a “D_I_#_%” !
Thank you, halperin – you set the GOLD STANDARD for the best description of “YOU LIE!” obozo that anybody could ever come up with. In Jan 2013, when America celebrates the inauguration of our new president, we’ll all think back to the moment halperin blurted out his word (on the “YOU LIE!” hussein regime’s wholly owned network, M(ore)S(ocialism)from N(itwit)B(iased-socialist)C(lowns) no less!) as the seminal event that guaranteed ONE TERM for the obozo.

Worp said:
FSN (and the rest of the country) loves Chris Christie

Except the state he actually governs over. I like him, but just pointing that out.

Yukon Jack said:
Your advise should be heeded by the First Lady. And she WILL be on the unemployment line after November 2012.

I’d advise you to revise your spelling of advice.

GreyGoose said:
But he’s the smartest man in the world. He’d never make a mistake….except forgetting HIS OWN DAUGHTER’s age. Not once, but twice. That’s far worse than ANYTHING Palin’s ever done.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/oops-obama-gets-daughter-malias-age-wrong-twice-during-press-conference/

Absurd that this even warrants a response, but I know growing up my father would regularly refer to me as being the age of my next birthday when that next birthday was fast approaching, generally in the process of making a broader point about age/responsibilities.

Damn…..that is one scary broad….hehehe..

seek said:
that is just such a stupid thing to say. I’m sure when Bachman is Pres. that will be her first “order”. You believe the crap you type or are you just bored, because your post was just plain dumb.

LOL. Are you serious?

Do you even read half the stuff you write?

GreyGoose said:

If you knew anything about the Constitution, you’d know that the state legislator draws out the districts & since Minn. legislative houses are controlled by Republicans, there’s no chance that Bachmann’s district will be redrawn (except maybe to make it easier to get re-elected.)

Not true, Cartman. States have differing methods of legal redistricting. Minnesota uses an independent council and not its own legislature. Then that plan must be approved by the DOJ in Washington.

http://www.redistrictinginamerica.org/

Say bye to Michele. Minnesota does not want her back.

WillP said:
Woahhh. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. At Fox News the Republican hosts have license to bash away and smear Democrats. So, for example, we have seen O’Reilly call an abortion provider “a killer” or Glenn Beck calling the president “a racist.” They are allowed to do so with impunity or issuing an apology. But, to smear a Republican is out of bounds in the Fox playbook. Just ask Chris Wallace after he asked Michelle Bachmann if she were “a flake?” Expect for Ailes to force Trotta to give an apology at some point in the near future.

seek said:
p.s. love your version of the “killer” and Beck’s comment. Do you peddle in lies for a living?

Um, it’s none of my business but where exactly is the lie, you liar?

Liz Trotta is the best thing about Saturday morning news. Someone ought to put a compilation reel together of her best moments (especially the Katie Couric review). She’s priceless! This has nothing to do with conservative or liberal… Trotta is a hoot regardless of politics.

Especially fun is watching Uma try to say something on point, without getting herself muddy too, after Trotta’s weekly soliloquies.

She was the first female to cover a war for broadcast news – she has earned the right to say what she wants in her old age. My guess is, with time she will only get funnier.

Publius219 said:
Absurd that this even warrants a response, but I know growing up my father would regularly refer to me as being the age of my next birthday when that next birthday was fast approaching, generally in the process of making a broader point about age/responsibilities.

But your Dad wasn’t the smartest guy in the world…you know the mantra: harvard law school, editor of it’s rreview , blah blah blah. Such a man knows everything.

Do you think you’d be this forgiving if S.P. had made a similiar comment..

Fokker News said:
We already know Trotter doesn’t like Obama.

Few Americans do!

valkyrie101 said:
Yep, the republican party regulars can not keep their contempt for Bachman and Palin under wraps. Sarah should not bother with the republican primaries and just get that third party going with Guiliani, another outsider despised by the republican regulars. Until the tea party takes the initiative and makes it real by creating their own home, their own party, its potential as a lasting and influencial movement will never be realized.

But the TeaParty has had so much success in kicking out Progressive Republicans in 2010. Why mess with success. The TeaParty has a chance at refounding the Republican party with candidates like Herman Cain or Thaddeus Mccotter or Michele Bachmann or if they get in, Rick Perry and Sarah.
If there is to be a 3rd party candidate It should be Michael Bloomberg

Absolutely appalling that there would be a woman like this on Fox News who says such things about two strong and brilliant women like Sarah and Michelle and of course I agree with Uma’s speechlessness because who but a prog lib hack would spew such hatred certainly not a so called “conservative” commentator on Fox News. Also appalling is the fact that as several of my friends have noticed also above that people are jump all over the so-called “gaffs” of Sarah and Michelle when not a word is said in the media of 0-bow-ma Hussein’s famous “57 states” comment which pretty much shows a great example of how out of touch he is and leads many prominent writers to think tht he was thinking about the islamic caliphate to which he is pretty much handing over the keys to our country to. Thank you.

Even though Liz Trotta wished that Obama would get assassinated, she is right.

Mia Kulper said:
Um, it’s none of my business but where exactly is the lie, you liar?

There you are Sam – we missed you (not).

SuburbanPatriot said:
Absolutely appalling that there would be a woman like this on Fox News who says such things about two strong and brilliant women like Sarah and Michelle and of course I agree with Uma’s speechlessness because who but a prog lib hack would spew such hatred certainly not a so called “conservative” commentator on Fox News. Also appalling is the fact that as several of my friends have noticed also above that people are jump all over the so-called “gaffs” of Sarah and Michelle when not a word is said in the media of 0-bow-ma Hussein’s famous “57 states” comment which pretty much shows a great example of how out of touch he is and leads many prominent writers to think tht he was thinking about the islamic caliphate to which he is pretty much handing over the keys to our country to. Thank you.

Trotta and most thinking Republicans are scared shitless that you dunces are going to nominate one of these bimbos and are pulling out all the stops, to make sure that doesn’t happen, look for a lot more of this on Fox, cause if either of those women get the nomination it is completely over.

57 States and corpsmen.

Perdido said:
If MSNBC allows bashing of Democrats, why’d they get mad at Halperin?

The White House told ‘em to get mad and FIRE him!

Girth Brick said:
Not true, Cartman. States have differing methods of legal redistricting. Minnesota uses an independent council and not its own legislature. Then that plan must be approved by the DOJ in Washington. http://www.redistrictinginamerica.org/ Say bye to Michele. Minnesota does not want her back.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Do some research if you plan on debating me. Here’s how it goes: A House committee forms a plans, it goes to the house for approval & the gov has to agree to iit.

WillP said:
Woahhh. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. At Fox News the Republican hosts have license to bash away and smear Democrats. So, for example, we have seen O’Reilly call an abortion provider “a killer” or Glenn Beck calling the president “a racist.” They are allowed to do so with impunity or issuing an apology. But, to smear a Republican is out of bounds in the Fox playbook. Just ask Chris Wallace after he asked Michelle Bachmann if she were “a flake?” Expect for Ailes to force Trotta to give an apology at some point in the near future.

seek said:
p.s. love your version of the “killer” and Beck’s comment. Do you peddle in lies for a living?

Mia Kulper said:
Um, it’s none of my business but where exactly is the lie, you liar?

seek said:
There you are Sam – we missed you (not).

So you just run around and randomly call people liars whenever they post something that you don’t like?

Glen Beck went of FOX and called the President Obama a “racist” and O’Reilly called that doctor a “killer.”

Where is the lie in that post you responded to, or were you just lying again?

Publius219 said:
Except the state he actually governs over. I like him, but just pointing that out.

Well he did get a budget passed with democratic legislators support, and an effective republican administrator with bipartisan accomplishments in a blue state is part of why the country likes him. (BTW I have my reservations about CC)

Have you heard Bachmann’s husband speak? He sounds gay as all get up.
I’d bet that they have an open marriage with him cavorting in gay bath-houses all the time.
Can’t wait ’till that hits the news.

People talk trash about Fleabag University all the time, but they probably have the best Siphonapterology Department in North America.

Their entire Department of Entomology is excellent as well.

Liberal Arts is a joke at Fleabag University, especially the History Department.

Nature Freak said:
People talk trash about Fleabag University all the time, but they probably have the best Siphonapterology Department in North America.

Their entire Department of Entomology is excellent as well.

Liberal Arts is a joke at Fleabag University, especially the History Department.

FU is also known for its world’s famous Flea circus. Greatest show on Earth indeed.

Mia Kulper said:
So you just run around and randomly call people liars whenever they post something that you don’t like?

Glen Beck went of FOX and called the President Obama a “racist” and O’Reilly called that doctor a “killer.”

Where is the lie in that post you responded to, or were you just lying again?

Remember Sam – I don’t like you and I don’t answer your questions. Bah bye now

SuburbanPatriot said:
Absolutely appalling that there would be a woman like this on Fox News who says such things about two strong and brilliant women like Sarah and Michelle and of course I agree with Uma’s speechlessness because who but a prog lib hack would spew such hatred certainly not a so called “conservative” commentator on Fox News. Also appalling is the fact that as several of my friends have noticed also above that people are jump all over the so-called “gaffs” of Sarah and Michelle when not a word is said in the media of 0-bow-ma Hussein’s famous “57 states” comment which pretty much shows a great example of how out of touch he is and leads many prominent writers to think tht he was thinking about the islamic caliphate to which he is pretty much handing over the keys to our country to. Thank you.

I find your post to be compelling but I still like Liz and for some of the same reasons I like SP and MB. They have gumption and speak their minds. However forming a circular firing squad should be left to the Demicrats and I certainly do think Liz has got this one wrong.

Mia Kulper said:
Glen Beck went of FOX and called the President Obama a “racist” and O’Reilly called that doctor a “killer.”

Both were correct!

AIO_7 said:
Have you heard Bachmann’s husband speak? He sounds gay as all get up.
I’d bet that they have an open marriage with him cavorting in gay bath-houses all the time.
Can’t wait ’till that hits the news.

Don’t you LIBs LUV and promote anything gay?

Worp said:
I find your post to be compelling but I still like Liz and for some of the same reasons I like SP and MB. They have gumption and speak their minds. However forming a circular firing squad should be left to the Demicrats and I certainly do think Liz has got this one wrong.

You find this guy “compelling”? I admit it’s fascinating that someone with the writing skills of a 5 year old has the ability to navigate the internet!

TeaPartyNation said:
In Jan 2013, when America celebrates the inauguration of our new president

Jan 20, 2013

End of an ERROR

Fox’s Liz Trotta: Palin And Rep. Bachmann Took Same History Course At ‘Fleabag U’

To sum up : Meow .

seek said:
Remember Sam – I don’t like you and I don’t answer your questions. Bah bye now

Seek, I will still talk to you even though it was me that you called a liar for stating facts about what Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly have said in the past. I don’t know why you don’t want to talk to Sam who was just defending me while I wasn’t here.

Mia Kulper said:
So you just run around and randomly call people liars whenever they post something that you don’t like?

Glen Beck went of FOX and called the President Obama a “racist” and O’Reilly called that doctor a “killer.”

Where is the lie in that post you responded to, or were you just lying again?

Sam, I think Seek is pretty upset right now.

T shirts with FU in big letters are best sellers at the official Fleabag University Fan Store.

BTW, I Googled this list of famous Alumni from Fleabag University:

Larry Craig (President of FU’s most popular student organization: The Pray Away The Gay club)
Jack Abramoff
Rick Scott
Rick Santelli
Fox’s Red Eye Crew (expelled due to low GPA’s)
Bob Ney
Glenn Beck (expelled for unknown reasons)
Phyllis Schlafly
Andrew Brietbart
Joesph Farah (was Josie Farah before sex change)
Ted Nugent
Joseph McCarthy
Anita Bryant
Bob Allen (Sergeant at arms of Pray Away The Gay)
Jeffery Dahmner (VP of Food Science Club)
Bernie Madoff (ran Economics department upon graduating)
Harold Camping (Freshman year only)
Paul Ryan
David Duke (also Poly Sci professor)
Alfredo Stroessner
Michael Savage
Slobodan Milošević
Clarence Thomas
Christopher Lee
Mark Sanford (never graduated. Left one day to hike Appalachian trail and never returned)
Mel Gibson
George Lincoln Rockwell (one of the first students. Considered a “founding father”)
Marco Rubio
David Vitter (leader of Alpha Beta Fraternity. Suspended for 1 semester due to Concubinage.
And of course Palin and Bachmann.

The urban legend that Flea the musician attended FU is false. Flea is way to smart to have attended.

Fleabags have gained prominence in American and International politics, economics, and religion.
Just remember, once a fleabag, always a fleabag!

WillP said:
Seek, I will still talk to you even though it was me that you called a liar for stating facts about what Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly have said in the past. I don’t know why you don’t want to talk to Sam who was just defending me while I wasn’t here.

seek is just trying to weasel out of answering for being caught in yet another lie while trying to call YOU a liar.

Glenn Beck DID go on FOX and call President Obama a “racist” and O’Reilly DID call that doctor a “killer.”

If pointing out the truth of that to seek somehow makes me “Sam” that’s fine, but seek is still a proven liar.

Like your typical teatard, seek projects his worst character flaws onto everybody else.

Scumbag University is a sister school to Fleabag University.

Jim Demint, Sharron Angle and Rush Limbaugh matriculated at SU.

2012freedom said:
Shall I list all the stupid things Obama has said that never got mentioned in the mainstream media for fear of it making him look like an utter bafoon? How about Biden and his gaffes? They could write a book from those.

You mean like how they get facts about the country’s history egregiously wrong? Or will just bring up that Obama once said 3 years ago at 10pm after a day long of campaigning mention he had been to 57 states and one to go, when he meant 49 states and 8 territories. Yes, that is clear concrete evidence he is as batshit stupid as Palin and Bachmann, who have clearly shown over and over a lack of basic knowledge in the country’s history

Scumbag University is known for the “Fighting Teabaggers”

The original Teabagger mascot duo was banned by the NCAA for being to obscene. This is still on appeal.

Nature Freak said:
T shirts with FU in big letters are best sellers at the official Fleabag University Fan Store.

BTW, I Googled this list of famous Alumni from Fleabag University:

Larry Craig (President of FU’s most popular student organization: The Pray Away The Gay club)
Jack Abramoff
Rick Scott
Rick Santelli
Fox’s Red Eye Crew (expelled due to low GPA’s)
Bob Ney
Glenn Beck (expelled for unknown reasons)
Phyllis Schlafly
Andrew Brietbart
Joesph Farah (was Josie Farah before sex change)
Ted Nugent
Joseph McCarthy
Anita Bryant
Bob Allen (Sergeant at arms of Pray Away The Gay)
Jeffery Dahmner (VP of Food Science Club)
Bernie Madoff (ran Economics department upon graduating)
Harold Camping (Freshman year only)
Paul Ryan
David Duke (also Poly Sci professor)
Alfredo Stroessner
Michael Savage
Slobodan Milošević
Clarence Thomas
Christopher Lee
Mark Sanford (never graduated. Left one day to hike Appalachian trail and never returned)
Mel Gibson
George Lincoln Rockwell (one of the first students. Considered a “founding father”)
Marco Rubio
David Vitter (leader of Alpha Beta Fraternity. Suspended for 1 semester due to Concubinage.
And of course Palin and Bachmann.

The urban legend that Flea the musician attended FU is false. Flea is way to smart to have attended.

Fleabags have gained prominence in American and International politics, economics, and religion.
Just remember, once a fleabag, always a fleabag!

Say what you will about Jack Abramoff, but Red Scorpion is a kick ass movie.

Sanders Youth said:
Say what you will about Jack Abramoff, but Red Scorpion is a kick ass movie.

I saw the movie as a teenager back in 1989. Maybe I will have to watch it again.

Sanders, you are right. I just looked it up. Presuming Wilkipedia is correct: “Jack Abramoff, who wrote the story and produced the film together with his brother Robert Abramoff.”

WOW!!!

Nature Freak said:
I saw the movie as a teenager back in 1989. Maybe I will have to watch it again.

Sanders, you are right. I just looked it up. Presuming Wilkipedia is correct: “Jack Abramoff, who wrote the story and produced the film together with his brother Robert Abramoff.”

WOW!!!

You should watch the documentary Casio Jack And The United States Of Money, it’s all about the Jack Abramoff scandal, it is mindblowing, most of the guys that were involved in the Jack Abramoff crimes, got off Scott free, people like Ralph Reed, that guy should be doing hard time. The go all the way back to the early 80s when Abramoff, Reed, Karl Rove, Dana Rohbacher and others were hanging out with the Contras and shit. These criminals now run the Republican Party. They go into Abramoff producing Red Scorpion and all the pro-Contra/anti-Communist message in the movie. One of the better documentaries I have seen.

Worp said:
But the TeaParty has had so much success in kicking out Progressive Republicans in 2010. Why mess with success. The TeaParty has a chance at refounding the Republican party with candidates like Herman Cain or Thaddeus Mccotter or Michele Bachmann or if they get in, Rick Perry and Sarah.If there is to be a 3rd party candidate It should be Michael Bloomberg

Perhaps I had the wrong mayor, Palin/Bloomberg 2012.

Sanders Youth said:
You should watch the documentary Casio Jack And The United States Of Money, it’s all about the Jack Abramoff scandal, it is mindblowing, most of the guys that were involved in the Jack Abramoff crimes, got off Scott free, people like Ralph Reed, that guy should be doing hard time. The go all the way back to the early 80s when Abramoff, Reed, Karl Rove, Dana Rohbacher and others were hanging out with the Contras and shit. These criminals now run the Republican Party. They go into Abramoff producing Red Scorpion and all the pro-Contra/anti-Communist message in the movie. One of the better documentaries I have seen.

It’s depressing and frustrating. Things are bad. Nothing much surprises me anymore. Someday people will have enough of the BS.

I think Vladimir Putin, Yury Luzhkov and all the Russian oligarchs learned their wicked ways from us. We are not role models.

Fleabag University motto and creed is: I got mine by hook or by crook, so screw you.

Nature Freak said:
It’s depressing and frustrating. Things are bad. Nothing much surprises me anymore. Someday people will have enough of the BS.

I think Vladimir Putin, Yury Luzhkov and all the Russian oligarchs learned their wicked ways from us. We are not role models.

Fleabag University motto and creed is: I got mine by hook or by crook, so screw you.

People in this country are getting tired of it, what is going on in Wisconsin should be the example we all follow, the people had enough and are doing something about it, Walker and his band of criminals are about to get recalled. Other states are following that example, watch what is going down in Michigan right now. Snyder is going to get recalled as well. People are done with this shit.

orn

Sanders Youth said:
You should watch the documentary Casio Jack And The United States Of Money, it’s all about the Jack Abramoff scandal, it is mindblowing, most of the guys that were involved in the Jack Abramoff crimes, got off Scott free, people like Ralph Reed, that guy should be doing hard time. The go all the way back to the early 80s when Abramoff, Reed, Karl Rove, Dana Rohbacher and others were hanging out with the Contras and shit. These criminals now run the Republican Party. They go into Abramoff producing Red Scorpion and all the pro-Contra/anti-Communist message in the movie. One of the better documentaries I have seen.

“We’ve Got A Bigger Problem Now”
excerpts:
“I am Emperor Ronald Reagan
Born again with fascist cravings
Still, you made me president

Human rights will soon go ‘way
I am now your Shah today
Now I command all of you
Now you’re going to pray in school
I’ll make sure they’re Christian too

Ku Klux Klan will control you
Still you think it’s natural
Ni@#er knockin’ for the master race
Still you wear the happy face

You closed your eyes, can’t happen here
Alexander Haig is near
Vietnam won’t come back you say
Join the army or you will pay

Yeah, that’s it. Just relax.
Have another drink, few more pretzels, little more MSG.
Turn on those Dallas Cowboys on your TV.
Lock your doors. Close your mind.
It’s time for the two-minute warning.

Welcome to 1984
Are you ready for the third world war?!?
You too will meet the secret police
They’ll draft you and they’ll jail your niece

You’ll go quitely to boot camp
They’ll shoot you dead, make you a man
Don’t you worry, it’s for a cause
Feeding global corporations’ claws

Die on our brand new poison gas
El Salvador or Afghanistan
Making money for President Reagan
And all the friends of President Reagan”

Reagan was bad news for the United States.
We should have listened to Jello Biafra.
I wonder if America’s last chance was in 1984 election.

SuburbanPatriot says:
Absolutely appalling that there would be a woman like this on Fox News who says such things about two strong and brilliant women like Sarah and Michelle and of course I agree with Uma’s speechlessness because who but a prog lib hack would spew such hatred certainly not a so called “conservative” commentator on Fox News. Also appalling is the fact that as several of my friends have noticed also above that people are jump all over the so-called “gaffs” of Sarah and Michelle when not a word is said in the media of 0-bow-ma Hussein’s famous “57 states” comment which pretty much shows a great example of how out of touch he is and leads many prominent writers to think tht he was thinking about the islamic caliphate to which he is pretty much handing over the keys to our country to. Thank you.
………………………..
Why would you care about one of your prize conservatives, making sense for once, because we all know “Fox” is fair and balanced! Sarah and Michelle,…… “strong and brilliant women”, would that standard be,… for a 3rd grade class? So a group of uninformed “teas” all agree that we shouldn’t worry about the girls clueless comments, but for the 100th time go after Obama for his 1 to 10 gaffs ratio compared to the bookends! Many “prominent writers” state he was getting ready to hand our country over to the islamic caliphate! Let’s reword that to “nutbag tea sites” and and the sky is calling “fear con men”.

Sanders Youth said:
People in this country are getting tired of it, what is going on in Wisconsin should be the example we all follow, the people had enough and are doing something about it, Walker and his band of criminals are about to get recalled. Other states are following that example, watch what is going down in Michigan right now. Snyder is going to get recalled as well. People are done with this shit.

Nature Freak is for non violence. I have pacifistic leanings. But the fact remains if Madison was in Europe, there would have been a Greece like situation. Bread and circuses rule these United States. If the food supply became bad, things would change quickly

I hope the recall works. We here in Florida can not (because of state law) recall Rick Head aka Skeltor.

Nature Freak said:
orn

“We’ve Got A Bigger Problem Now”
excerpts:
“I am Emperor Ronald Reagan
Born again with fascist cravings
Still, you made me president

Human rights will soon go ‘way
I am now your Shah today
Now I command all of you
Now you’re going to pray in school
I’ll make sure they’re Christian too

Ku Klux Klan will control you
Still you think it’s natural
Ni@#er knockin’ for the master race
Still you wear the happy face

You closed your eyes, can’t happen here
Alexander Haig is near
Vietnam won’t come back you say
Join the army or you will pay

Yeah, that’s it. Just relax.
Have another drink, few more pretzels, little more MSG.
Turn on those Dallas Cowboys on your TV.
Lock your doors. Close your mind.
It’s time for the two-minute warning.

Welcome to 1984
Are you ready for the third world war?!?
You too will meet the secret police
They’ll draft you and they’ll jail your niece

You’ll go quitely to boot camp
They’ll shoot you dead, make you a man
Don’t you worry, it’s for a cause
Feeding global corporations’ claws

Die on our brand new poison gas
El Salvador or Afghanistan
Making money for President Reagan
And all the friends of President Reagan”

Reagan was bad news for the United States.
We should have listened to Jello Biafra.
I wonder if America’s last chance was in 1984 election.

You call yourself the Moral Majority
We call ourselves the people in the real world
Trying to rub us out, but we’re going to survive
God must be dead if you’re alive

You say, ‘God loves you. Come and buy the Good News’
Then you buy the president and swimming pools
If Jesus don’t save ’til we’re lining your pockets
God must be dead if you’re alive

Circus-tent con-men and Southern belle bunnies
Milk your emotions then they steal your money
It’s the new dark ages with the fascists toting bibles
Cheap nostalgia for the Salem Witch Trials

Stodgy ayatollahs in their dobble-knit ties
Burn lots of books so they can feed you their lies
Masturbating with a flag and a bible
God must be dead if you’re alive

Blow it out your ass, Jerry Falwell
Blow it out your ass, Jesse Helms
Blow it out your ass, Ronald Reagan
What’s wrong with a mind of my own?

You don’t want abortions, you want battered children
You want to ban the pill as if that solves the problem
Now you wanna force us to pray in school
God must be dead if you’re such a fool

You’re planning for a war with or without Iran
Building a police state with the Ku Klux Klan
Pissed at your neighbour? Don’t bother to nag
Pick up the phone and turn in a f*g

Blow it out your ass, Terry Dolan
Blow it out your ass, Phyllis Schlafly
Ram it up your c*nt, Anita
Cos God must be dead
If you’re alive
God must be dead
If you’re alive

timcajun said:
SuburbanPatriot says:
Absolutely appalling that there would be a woman like this on Fox News who says such things about two strong and brilliant women like Sarah and Michelle and of course I agree with Uma’s speechlessness because who but a prog lib hack would spew such hatred certainly not a so called “conservative” commentator on Fox News. Also appalling is the fact that as several of my friends have noticed also above that people are jump all over the so-called “gaffs” of Sarah and Michelle when not a word is said in the media of 0-bow-ma Hussein’s famous “57 states” comment which pretty much shows a great example of how out of touch he is and leads many prominent writers to think tht he was thinking about the islamic caliphate to which he is pretty much handing over the keys to our country to. Thank you.
………………………..
Why would you care about one of your prize conservatives, making sense for once, because we all know “Fox” is fair and balanced! Sarah and Michelle,…… “strong and brilliant women”, would that standard be,… for a 3rd grade class? So a group of uninformed “teas” all agree that we shouldn’t worry about the girls clueless comments, but for the 100th time go after Obama for his 1 to 10 gaffs ratio compared to the bookends! Many “prominent writers” state he was getting ready to hand our country over to the islamic caliphate! Let’s reword that to “nutbag tea sites” and and the sky is calling “fear con men”.

57 States and corpsman

timcajun said:
SuburbanPatriot says:
s” comment which pretty much shows a great example of how out of touch he is and leads many prominent writers to think tht he was thinking about the islamic caliphate to which he is pretty much handing over the keys to our country to. Thank you.
………………………..
Why would you care about one of your prize conservatives, making sense for once, because we all know “Fox” is fair and balanced! Sarah and Michelle,…… “strong and brilliant women”, would that standard be,… for a 3rd grade class? So a group of uninformed “teas” all agree that we shouldn’t worry about the girls clueless comments, but for the 100th time go after Obama for his 1 to 10 gaffs ratio compared to the bookends! Many “prominent writers” state he was getting ready to hand our country over to the islamic caliphate! Let’s reword that to “nutbag tea sites” and and the sky is calling “fear con men”.

timcajun, SuburbanPatriot is a troglodyte of the highest order. There is no independent thinking from Sub. I suspect in reality Sub is a board college Freshman acting as a troll, or an internet bot from the basement of WND or Free republic.

Nature Freak said:
orn

“We’ve Got A Bigger Problem Now”
excerpts:
“I am Emperor Ronald Reagan
Born again with fascist cravings
Still, you made me president

Human rights will soon go ‘way
I am now your Shah today
Now I command all of you
Now you’re going to pray in school
I’ll make sure they’re Christian too

Ku Klux Klan will control you
Still you think it’s natural
Ni@#er knockin’ for the master race
Still you wear the happy face

You closed your eyes, can’t happen here
Alexander Haig is near
Vietnam won’t come back you say
Join the army or you will pay

Yeah, that’s it. Just relax.
Have another drink, few more pretzels, little more MSG.
Turn on those Dallas Cowboys on your TV.
Lock your doors. Close your mind.
It’s time for the two-minute warning.

Welcome to 1984
Are you ready for the third world war?!?
You too will meet the secret police
They’ll draft you and they’ll jail your niece

You’ll go quitely to boot camp
They’ll shoot you dead, make you a man
Don’t you worry, it’s for a cause
Feeding global corporations’ claws

Die on our brand new poison gas
El Salvador or Afghanistan
Making money for President Reagan
And all the friends of President Reagan”

Reagan was bad news for the United States.
We should have listened to Jello Biafra.
I wonder if America’s last chance was in 1984 election.

Jello Biafra is pretty much solely responsible for me getting interested in politics.

Sanders,
I always liked Jello Biafra and the Dead Kennedys. One of my favorite albums from Biafra is the obscure and unusual “Prairie Home Invasion” preformed with Mojo Nixon.

Someday I hope to see Jello Biafra live in concert.

Do not let all this politics bring you down. That’s why I love the outdoors and nature. At least I can forget the BS for a while.

GreyGoose said:
Do you think you’d be this forgiving if S.P. had made a similiar comment..

I don’t view politics as a team sport where when I defend one side I must immediately decide how I would defend the other side in comparable, semi-comparable or incomparable circumstances.

But, yes. I know without question I would.

Sanders Youth said:
Jello Biafra is pretty much solely responsible for me getting interested in politics.

Very Cool. Someone else told me that once.

I am going to take a early evening walk and enjoy nature. Later.

The thing I can’t understand is why any self-respecting Republican can support someone like Bachmann or Palin.

Two women who just are clearly not bright.

I usually am rather fond of Liz but she does have a rough time during menses, even at her age. She is emblematic of why I want to repeal the nineteenth amendment, brains go out the window and idiot emotion rules periodically even in women whose IQ occasionally creeps up to marginally higher than their age. Now that we are enemies for life, nobody with a working brain could stay a reporter more than a week.

Sanders Youth said:
People in this country are getting tired of it, what is going on in Wisconsin should be the example we all follow, the people had enough and are doing something about it, Walker and his band of criminals are about to get recalled. Other states are following that example, watch what is going down in Michigan right now. Snyder is going to get recalled as well. People are done with this shit.

In your dreams, pal.

Sanders Youth said:
You call yourself the Moral MajorityWe call ourselves the people in the real worldTrying to rub us out, but we’re going to surviveGod must be dead if you’re alive You say, ‘God loves you. Come and buy the Good News’Then you buy the president and swimming poolsIf Jesus don’t save ’til we’re lining your pocketsGod must be dead if you’re alive Circus-tent con-men and Southern belle bunniesMilk your emotions then they steal your moneyIt’s the new dark ages with the fascists toting biblesCheap nostalgia for the Salem Witch Trials Stodgy ayatollahs in their dobble-knit tiesBurn lots of books so they can feed you their liesMasturbating with a flag and a bibleGod must be dead if you’re alive Blow it out your ass, Jerry FalwellBlow it out your ass, Jesse HelmsBlow it out your ass, Ronald ReaganWhat’s wrong with a mind of my own? You don’t want abortions, you want battered childrenYou want to ban the pill as if that solves the problemNow you wanna force us to pray in schoolGod must be dead if you’re such a fool You’re planning for a war with or without IranBuilding a police state with the Ku Klux KlanPissed at your neighbour? Don’t bother to nagPick up the phone and turn in a f*g Blow it out your ass, Terry DolanBlow it out your ass, Phyllis SchlaflyRam it up your c*nt, AnitaCos God must be deadIf you’re aliveGod must be deadIf you’re alive

Don’t quit your day job, Sanders.

This thread seems to have attracted every bottom-dwelling lefty in the world.

That’s hilarious!

LAPhil said:
In your dreams, pal.

“You’re either with us or against us in the fight against terror.” George W. Bush

Liz just got a new fan.

LAPhil said:
In your dreams, pal.

Sanders is right. Alot of people have woken up and saw what all the plutocrats are up to and they aren’t happy about it. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the time. Go ask Tricky Ricky Scott.

GreyGoose said:
Imagine that, a Fox News story hits the headlines and the Fox Obsessed- FokkerNews, Rokker [where's Alice at?]- immediately write posts.

Alice is making out with her cardboard cutout of Barack.

Sanders Youth says:
57 States and corpsman

………………………….
We’ve already covered this, remember 10 to 1. Our dream phillies gaffs and Dr. Peabody’s history from them, to these few of Obama’s that we hear over and over again. That’s the fun thing about “teas” they ignore a scroll of girlie gaffs and cling to their short list of hate! Stay in the “tea bubble” and keep your eyes closed at all times!

timcajun said:
We’ve already covered this, remember 10 to 1. Our dream phillies gaffs and Dr. Peabody’s history from them, to these few of Obama’s that we hear over and over again. That’s the fun thing about “teas” they ignore a scroll of girlie gaffs and cling to their short list of hate! Stay in the “tea bubble” and keep your eyes closed at all times!

Oh, I see now how it works. It is “hate” if we point out Obama’s gaffes but if you Libs point out the “girly gaffes” it is just to show how stupid they are. Silly me, I should have known that was how it was going to go down. By the way, I can give you some new Obama gaffes if you want to hear them.

Neither Palin or Bachmann believe in evolution. Both of them are creationists. I suspect they agree with Archbisiop Ussher. Ussher famously published a chronology that established the time and date of the creation as the night preceding Sunday, 23 October 4004 BC.

Palin and Bachmann probably believe The Flintstones is a documentary of our past. Electing Bachmann or Palin will finally end America’s dominance in science.

Ayatullah Ruhollah Palin and Ahmadinejad Bachmann have big plans for us.
I hope everyone loves modern Iran.

Nature Freak said:
Electing Bachmann or Palin will finally end America’s dominance in science.

Who cares? After all if we can make up global warming based on an ex-politicians scam to make a billion dollars then I say anything is a go at this point.

I would never vote for ANYONE who believed in Creationism.

Bids said:
I would never vote for ANYONE who believed in Creationism

There is one question I was hoping you would answer for me with you being an evolutionist and all; If we supposedly evolved from apes why are there still apes? Did some of them decide not to continue to evolve and were just like, “screw it, I’m done. The rest of you go on without me?”

david r said:
Fair and balanced. Libs can’t deal with it.

Liz Trotta? Fairly unbalanced…

SuburbanPatriot said:
Absolutely appalling that there would be a woman like this on Fox News who says such things about two strong and brilliant women like Sarah and Michelle .

LOLOLOLOL!!! Brilliant women?! LOL! Stop it, I can’t BREATHE!

Bids said:
I would never vote for ANYONE who believed in Creationism.

The very definition of a bigot.

Worp said:
The very definition of a bigot.

Shhhhh…..you will only confuse them.

2012freedom said:
There is one question I was hoping you would answer for me with you being an evolutionist and all; If we supposedly evolved from apes why are there still apes? Did some of them decide not to continue to evolve and were just like, “screw it, I’m done. The rest of you go on without me?”

We never did evolve from apes, that’s just another provable lie Progressives preach to make people believe we are the same in kind to apes. You see if we are just evolved apes we have deserve no more rights than apes.
http://news.discovery.com/history/ardi-human-ancestor.html

2012freedom said:
Shhhhh…..you will only confuse them.

They do get dangerous when confused

Sanders Youth said:
People in this country are getting tired of it, what is going on in Wisconsin should be the example we all follow, the people had enough and are doing something about it, Walker and his band of criminals are about to get recalled. Other states are following that example, watch what is going down in Michigan right now. Snyder is going to get recalled as well. People are done with this shit.

I’m kind of done with the pensions and benefits the public workers get on LI. I hope Cuomo follows the examples of Walker and Christie. They’re making us go broke.

2012freedom says:
By the way, I can give you some new Obama gaffes if you want to hear them.
………………………
New gaffs for Obama, sure. Read the post. A list for Barry and a novel for the girls!

2012freedom said:
There is one question I was hoping you would answer for me with you being an evolutionist and all; If we supposedly evolved from apes why are there still apes? Did some of them decide not to continue to evolve and were just like, “screw it, I’m done. The rest of you go on without me?”

Cause we didn’t evolve from apes. Go learn something about evolution. Oh, and there is no such thing as an evolutionist.

Worp said:
The very definition of a bigot.

Yes, I”ve found Creationists are usually bigots, too.

Worp said:
We never did evolve from apes, that’s just another provable lie Progressives preach to make people believe we are the same in kind to apes. You see if we are just evolved apes we have deserve no more rights than apes.http://news.discovery.com/history/ardi-human-ancestor.html

Same “kind”? You’re a creationist, too?

Nature Freak said:

Neither Palin or Bachmann believe in evolution. Both of them are creationists. I suspect they agree with Archbisiop Ussher. Ussher famously published a chronology that established the time and date of the creation as the night preceding Sunday, 23 October 4004 BC.

Palin and Bachmann probably believe The Flintstones is a documentary of our past. Electing Bachmann or Palin will finally end America’s dominance in science.

Ayatullah Ruhollah Palin and Ahmadinejad Bachmann have big plans for us.
I hope everyone loves modern Iran.

No thumbs up for you. BUT, I commend you for inventiveness. (humor)

Curiously, I have the makings of a thesis that asserts: Evolution is the method by which God creates. Human beings live by a concept of time based upon the Earth and the Sun. God has an entire Universe to account for, so to speak, hence, his “paint brush and easel,” is vast and beyond our comprehension. However, the human intellect catches snippets, here and there.

Unfortunately, too many religions want God to be Humanlike, which shows our conceit.

Anyway, my point is that Science, evolution and Religion should be easily reconciled.

Purveyor.

Bids said:
Cause we didn’t evolve from apes. Go learn something about evolution. Oh, and there is no such thing as an evolutionist.

LOL. I guess dictionary.com thinks there is.

ev·o·lu·tion·ist
   [ev-uh-loo-shuh-nist or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-] Show IPA

–noun
1.
a person who believes in or supports a theory of evolution, especially in biology.

2.
a person who supports a policy of gradual growth or development rather than sudden change or expansion.

2012freedom said:
There is one question I was hoping you would answer for me with you being an evolutionist and all; If we supposedly evolved from apes why are there still apes? Did some of them decide not to continue to evolve and were just like, “screw it, I’m done. The rest of you go on without me?”

You’re kidding, right?

No, really. You have to be playing dumb just to troll. Please tel. Me it’s true.

timcajun said:
New gaffs for Obama, sure. Read the post. A list for Barry and a novel for the girls!

Wow! A “novel” huh? How many does it take to get to a novel exactly?

Bids said:
Same “kind”? You’re a creationist, too?

Look bigot, I know the only thing that matters to you is your stated hate for “creationists” but take a breath and show some acceptance of those that hold values other than your and you will find others listening to the content of your arguments. Until then hate on others plz.

Worp said:
We never did evolve from apes, that’s just another provable lie Progressives preach to make people believe we are the same in kind to apes. You see if we are just evolved apes we have deserve no more rights than apes.
http://news.discovery.com/history/ardi-human-ancestor.html

Well, I think people just say “apes” as a kind of shorthand. Not a big deal as far as I’m concerned.

But did you READ the article you linked to–the one that discusses the “common ancestor” of humans and chimpanzees”? I’m trying to figure out how that helps your argument.

2012freedom said:
LOL. I guess dictionary.com thinks there is.

ev·o·lu·tion·ist
[ev-uh-loo-shuh-nist or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-] Show IPA

–noun
1.
a person who believes in or supports a theory of evolution, especially in biology.

2.
a person who supports a policy of gradual growth or development rather than sudden change or expansion.

LOL talk about confusing them. Facts only get in the anger zealots like them.

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purveyor said:
No thumbs up for you. BUT, I commend you for inventiveness. (humor)

Curiously, I have the makings of a thesis that asserts: Evolution is the method by which God creates. Human beings live by a concept of time based upon the Earth and the Sun. God has an entire Universe to account for, so to speak, hence, his “paint brush and easel,” is vast and beyond our comprehension. However, the human intellect catches snippets, here and there.

Unfortunately, too many religions want God to be Humanlike, which shows our conceit.

Anyway, my point is that Science, evolution and Religion should be easily reconciled.

Purveyor.

I agree with you Purveyor.
From my research, it appears that Bachmann and Palin have more stereotypical Fundamentalist viewpoints, or at least that is the persona they portray.
Life is complicated. There is much we do not know. I am not an atheistic person, and I believe there is something akin to “the force”.

There are many Christians who date the Earth similar to the Archbishop. That really scares me. Many also totally discount evolution. To do this in science, I believe the scientific world be mortally wounded. That is my biggest beef. Here at this forum, arguments tend to be black and white, So I tend to “go for the kill” rather than using lots of nuance. I admit I sometimes add a dash of hyperbole on occasion. It is the nature of these forums.

glenn113 said:
Sanders is right. Alot of people have woken up and saw what all the plutocrats are up to and they aren’t happy about it. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the time. Go ask Tricky Ricky Scott.

Yes it worked so well for Governor Lex Luthor that he currently holds the title of the country’s most unpopular governor. Enjoying a whopping 29% approval rating!

To believe the world is 6000 or 7000 years old should disqualify any candidates. I would like a statement from Palin and Bachmann concerning this. It is relevant in a big way.

If someone wants to say God assisted evolution, I can deal with that. God may have created the big bang. Much we do not understand. I believe in an immortal soul myself. But to say evolution does not exist is just going to create conflict and animosity, including from me. Evolution is real, though the fine points may be argued.

Worp said:
LOL talk about confusing them. Facts only get in the anger zealots like them.

Yeah, pesky things those facts.

Conservative’s tend to consider themselves representatives, of the political philosophy of reason. Until their proverbial”ox, is gored.”

For instance, Conservatives loose their reasoning when they hit the metaphoric wall of religiosity. Sex, abortion, euthanasia, prayer in school, etc. Moral issues. Conservatives profess to desire the freedom to make choices regarding the most important, intimate, financial decisions in their lives. Furthermore, Conservatives resent when others (Liberals) attempt to impose their views on them.

Conversely, my Religious neighbor thinks he should be involved in the medical decisions of my sick Mother. Hmm.

“Beware when pursuing the Monster, lest he become you.” (Nietzsche)

Maybe the Federal Government must return some decision making to the States? The one size fits all, is causing trouble?

Just some thoughts

Purveyor of Rhetoric

AmericaSucks said:
Well, I think people just say “apes” as a kind of shorthand. Not a big deal as far as I’m concerned.

But did you READ the article you linked to–the one that discusses the “common ancestor” of humans and chimpanzees”? I’m trying to figure out how that helps your argument.

People say apes because that is what has been institutionalized “truth” for decades. You have seen the evolutionary chart right?
http://api.ning.com/files/gLbtJLaXsiOn8E5Dy*u1TPYNEFpcTZva4wwYo8fOS2V6xCPP-*Z1-NmwyW-i7siw/EvolutionTree.jpg
This is literally what all Americans learned and it is a lie. There is a reason for this lie. The reason is to dehumanize man. To rule him as an animal. It is the source of eugenics, and has lead to the mass slaughter of millions. It’s a belief called social Darwinism, Mao
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2385221/posts
Regarding the original article from discovery the conclusion is in bold
Myth Busted: Humans Never Evolved From Chimpanzees
Although chimpanzees remain our closest living primate relatives, there is now no evidence that Homo sapiens somehow evolved from chimpanzee-like individuals, losing chimp characteristics over time.
Americans believe in the bill of rights and the original intent of our constitution which is the opposite of social Darwinism. However I do see small amounts of truth in the system that don’t contradict our founding, like survival of the fittest and that species evolve over time.

Cornelius: [reading from the sacred scrolls of the apes] Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil’s pawn. Alone among God’s primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother’s land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.

Dr. Zaius, Minister of Science we need your help!

Take Your Stinking Paws Off Me, you Damn Dirty Ape? Or was it a Chimpanzee?

I personally refuse to live in a world dominated by Apes or Chimpanzees. I would consider being ruled by Sugar Gliders.

Nature Freak said:
Purveyor.
I agree with you Purveyor.
From my research, it appears that Bachmann and Palin have more stereotypical Fundamentalist viewpoints, or at least that is the persona they portray.
Life is complicated. There is much we do not know. I am not an atheistic person, and I believe there is something akin to “the force”.

There are many Christians who date the Earth similar to the Archbishop. That really scares me. Many also totally discount evolution. To do this in science, I believe the scientific world be mortally wounded. That is my biggest beef. Here at this forum, arguments tend to be black and white, So I tend to “go for the kill” rather than using lots of nuance. I admit I sometimes add a dash of hyperbole on occasion. It is the nature of these forums.

NATUREFREAK,

You have received many thumbs down? I find my thesis completely reasonable and what is better, reconcilable with the most vexing issue of human existence: Who are we, and how did we get here?

Nature Freak said:
Dr. Zaius, Minister of Science we need your help!

Well done. Between the two of us, there must be some interesting literature on our shelves?

A Planet where Apes evolved from Men?

Ridiculous!

purveyor said:
For instance, Conservatives loose their reasoning when they hit the metaphoric wall of religiosity. Sex, abortion, euthanasia, prayer in school, etc. Moral issues. Conservatives profess to desire the freedom to make choices regarding the most important, intimate, financial decisions in their lives. Furthermore, Conservatives resent when others (Liberals) attempt to impose their views on them.
Conversely, my Religious neighbor thinks he should be involved in the medical decisions of my sick Mother. Hmm.

Can’t the same thing be said about Liberals? Don’t they as well resent Conservatives imposing their views on them?

And, can’t it be said that Liberals feel they can be involved in people’s lives as they see fit?

I do agree with the Federal government getting out of the way. You can’t legislate your way to freedom.

Bids said:
LOLOLOLOL!!! Brilliant women?! LOL! Stop it, I can’t BREATHE!

Suburban Patriot honey. It’s getting close to your bedtime.

“Faces evil hides behind
Faces that we follow blind

Evil is hypocrisy
In our Leaders, is all I see

You offer to prevail
You put your lives up for sale

Evil seldom is alike
Through his wrist’s they drove a spike”

Purveyor, 1999

purveyor said:
Well done. Between the two of us, there must be some interesting literature on our shelves?

Oh yes. I also inherited my parents book collection, and it is interesting as well. I love my book shelves and that I guess now makes me old fashion.

The Planet of the Apes is great!

If it wasn’t for my silliness, I would go insane. It keeps me from being to intense and angry about topics at hand. When I was a kid it many times kept “Nature Freak” from getting his arse kicked.

Life is a stage and we are all actors.

2012freedom says:
Wow! A “novel” huh? How many does it take to get to a novel exactly?
……………………………………..
Well maybe that should be a pamplet, because how ever long the list, all a “teas” does is spin it, say: I didn’t say that! Then go get a “tea site” to back up their “tea blindness” denial and rewrite of history! Let’s save time, the girls have never made a mistake, there is a new world order that we are keeping secrect, Obama can’t read and is a muslim. How’s that?

2012freedom said:
Can’t the same thing be said about Liberals? Don’t they as well resent Conservatives imposing their views on them?

And, can’t it be said that Liberals feel they can be involved in people’s lives as they see fit?

I do agree with the Federal government getting out of the way. You can’t legislate your way to freedom.

Absolutely! That was my point, and my reference to Fritz Nietzsche. Also, the wait until “your ox is gored”?

I am a Conservative, yet I recognize there is baggage that the Philosophy carries with it.

Purveyor

purveyor said:
Conservative’s tend to consider themselves representatives, of the political philosophy of reason. Until their proverbial”ox, is gored.”

For instance, Conservatives loose their reasoning when they hit the metaphoric wall of religiosity. Sex, abortion, euthanasia, prayer in school, etc. Moral issues. Conservatives profess to desire the freedom to make choices regarding the most important, intimate, financial decisions in their lives. Furthermore, Conservatives resent when others (Liberals) attempt to impose their views on them.

Conversely, my Religious neighbor thinks he should be involved in the medical decisions of my sick Mother. Hmm.

“Beware when pursuing the Monster, lest he become you.” (Nietzsche)

Maybe the Federal Government must return some decision making to the States? The one size fits all, is causing trouble?

Just some thoughts

Purveyor of Rhetoric

You conflate Philosophy and Theology, (when you start talking “religiosity”) there is a difference and that difference matters.
Americans can’t have a Theocracy by edict of our constitution (1st amendment) nor do conservatives call for the establishment of a state religion, however that same edict establishes freedom of religion.

America is based on a Philosophy, that of limited government, in the form of a republic. Freedom doesn’t require a religious belief nor does it exclude it.

Regarding states rights; your supposition reflects original intent. States are meant to be experiments in freedom and to have all rights not granted to the federal gov.

timcajun said:
Well maybe that should be a pamplet, because how ever long the list, all a “teas” does is spin it, say: I didn’t say that! Then go get a “tea site” to back up their “tea blindness” denial and rewrite of history! Let’s save time, the girls have never made a mistake, there is a new world order that we are keeping secrect, Obama can’t read and is a muslim. How’s that?

Well if just the “teas” were guilty of all you profess I would agree. I personally believe Obama can read a teleprompter like nobody’s business and as far as him being a Muslim he was listed as such in school so I am not sure what your point is.

purveyor said:
“Faces evil hides behind
Faces that we follow blind

Evil is hypocrisy
In our Leaders, is all I see

You offer to prevail
You put your lives up for sale

Evil seldom is alike
Through his wrist’s they drove a spike”

Purveyor, 1999

Cool!
I use to write poetry. It has been awhile now. The only people I would now be comfortable reading my poetic musings would be a trusted lover. I am shy that way. So for here I just use work I can find online. I did some readings years ago at coffee houses. Not fun. Improv comedy I can do in public and enjoy it, I need to find a place and do it again.

Worp said:
You conflate Philosophy and Theology, (when you start talking “religiosity”) there is a difference and that difference matters.
Americans can’t have a Theocracy by edict of our constitution (1st amendment) nor do conservatives call for the establishment of a state religion, however that same edict establishes freedom of religion.

America is based on a Philosophy, that of limited government, in the form of a republic. Freedom doesn’t require a religious belief nor does it exclude it.

Regarding states rights; your supposition reflects original intent. States are meant to be experiments in freedom and to have all rights not granted to the federal gov.

Wolp everyone who is a God fearing Real American from Real America knows that the Founding Fathers were 100% Christian White Men. They were Christians and want our Country to display Christian principles.

The reason they put the First Amendment in there that said Seperation of Church and State was to test all Good Christian people. They knew that if you passed the test and renounced the First Amendment, at least that part of it that you would pass the test to becoming a Real American.

Please repent and say you are sorry to Jesus because the Hellfires of Hell are hot and eternal

God Bless.

purveyor said:
NATUREFREAK,

You have received many thumbs down? I find my thesis completely reasonable and what is better, reconcilable with the most vexing issue of human existence: Who are we, and how did we get here?

I like your thesis.
Nuance is hard here. These are controversial subjects to say the least.
I have also irritated many here on this site. Sometimes I pick fights or vice versa. It’s cool. Nature Freak holds no malice toward anyone here.

I like to think of this site as Mediaite Fight Club, where people fight by keyboard in order to create catharsis.
If everyone here was live at a retreat or cruise (that’s a bizarre idea), I presume people would behave better. I could be wrong. The internet creates keyboard warriors compensating for their Walter Mitty life.

Worp said:

You conflate Philosophy and Theology, (when you start talking “religiosity”) there is a difference and that difference matters.
Americans can’t have a Theocracy by edict of our constitution (1st amendment) nor do conservatives call for the establishment of a state religion, however that same edict establishes freedom of religion.

America is based on a Philosophy, that of limited government, in the form of a republic. Freedom doesn’t require a religious belief nor does it exclude it.

Regarding states rights; your supposition reflects original intent. States are meant to be experiments in freedom and to have all rights not granted to the federal gov.

Thats interesting, now what is your point?

My alias is Worp,
“separation of church and state’ isn’t in the 1st amendment (was from Jefferson later)
Many non whites fought for our independence
The only thing I’m sorry about is reading your post.
Your sarcasm lacks whit.
Plz evolve now thx

Sanders Youth said:
Wolp everyone who is a God fearing Real American from Real America knows that the Founding Fathers were 100% Christian White Men. They were Christians and want our Country to display Christian principles.

The reason they put the First Amendment in there that said Seperation of Church and State was to test all Good Christian people. They knew that if you passed the test and renounced the First Amendment, at least that part of it that you would pass the test to becoming a Real American.

Please repent and say you are sorry to Jesus because the Hellfires of Hell are hot and eternal

God Bless.

Historically, there has always been heated debate over the First Amendment since the days of Jefferson and Hamilton. I am a huge free speech fan, even for those with differing opinions than me. Mediaite seems good about allowing free speech unlike many sites. The opinions here may be lopsided, but that is life. That is why I fight back aggressively on occasion to get my opinion out in the open

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Evelyn Beatrice Hall

Time for bed.
Thanks for the original poetry Purveyor.

PEACE!

purveyor said:
Thats interesting, now what is your point?

My point is you are a fool for seriously responding to NatureFreak :)
Sorry, had to get that out.
Now when you say “Conservatives lose their reasoning” over “religiosity” you conflate two separate objects of thought, reason and belief. You can’t lose reason when you believe. It’s like saying you can prove your beliefs. If you could prove them then they wouldn’t be a belief. So you lost me right out of the gate.
So, what were you trying to say about conservatives?

Sanders Youth said:
Wolp everyone who is a God fearing Real American from Real America knows that the Founding Fathers were 100% Christian White Men. They were Christians and want our Country to display Christian principles.

Ummmmm….no. Wrong. Some were Christians but most were Deist. There were numerous black founders fighting right along with the white ones for our independence. I know that doesn’t fit into your Liberal talking points but you really need to study history.

WORP

What?

You had an urge to write something scholarly, “with no particular place to go?”

Your Post to me, sounded condescending and empty. Where is the substance, what is your conclusion? Make me nod my head in thought!

I probably hit a nerve with my musings regarding a ‘compare and contrast’ Post of ‘Liberals vs. Conservatives.’

As a result, you give me an unneeded History Lesson? I’d rather you return something original. Sheesh…

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

Note: I thought you were someone else who used to called “Barack must Go” My aplogies

Sanders Youth said:
Wolp everyone who is a God fearing Real American from Real America knows that the Founding Fathers were 100% Christian White Men. They were Christians and want our Country to display Christian principles.

The reason they put the First Amendment in there that said Seperation of Church and State was to test all Good Christian people. They knew that if you passed the test and renounced the First Amendment, at least that part of it that you would pass the test to becoming a Real American.

Please repent and say you are sorry to Jesus because the Hellfires of Hell are hot and eternal

God Bless.

(Forgot to Quote in last post…)
My alias is Worp,
“separation of church and state’ isn’t in the 1st amendment (was from Jefferson later)
Many non whites fought for our independence
The only thing I’m sorry about is reading your post.
Your sarcasm lacks whit.
Plz evolve now thx

Worp said:
Conservatives lose their reasoning” over “religiosity”

Some conservatives do it all the time. An otherwise reasonable Conservative Politico can lose all objectivity when they confuse ethics (reason) and morals. (conscience) {I listed examples earlier}

The pre-amble to the Declaration of independence refers to “Unalienable rights” and “self evident truths.” The document was the product of an age of enlightenment as well as very Religious men. Ergo, I suggest that reason should precede conscience. (religious beliefs) However, satisfy those religious beliefs at the same time.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

purveyor said:
WORP

What?

You had an urge to write something scholarly, “with no particular place to go?”

Your Post to me, sounded condescending and empty. Where is the substance, what is your conclusion? Make me nod my head in thought!

I probably hit a nerve with my musings regarding a ‘compare and contrast’ Post of ‘Liberals vs. Conservatives.’

As a result, you give me an unneeded History Lesson? I’d rather you return something original. Sheesh…

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

Note: I thought you were someone else who used to called “Barack must Go” My aplogies

You speak about conservatives getting their “ox, is gored” with a completely contradictory argument. I (erroneously it seems) took that to mean they rule by religion (hence the bit about Theocracy) however it seems to me now, that you have no point about conservatives to make.
Maybe its best to woo Nature Freak with more verse.

Worp said:
Maybe its best to woo Nature Freak with more verse.

Chuckle chuckle–thats funny

purveyor said:
Some conservatives do it all the time. An otherwise reasonable Conservative Politico can lose all objectivity when they confuse ethics (reason) and morals. (conscience) {I listed examples earlier}

The pre-amble to the Declaration of independence refers to “Unalienable rights” and “self evident truths.” The document was the product of an age of enlightenment as well as very Religious men. Ergo, I suggest that reason should precede conscience. (religious beliefs) However, satisfy those religious beliefs at the same time.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

Again, “some conservatives do this all the time” You could easily say some people do this all the time, it would be as true. Which is to say it’s a generality, like a stereo type. Its more of a cliché than reason.

I can’t believe Michele Bachmann will be any more successful than Sarah Palin in her quest to be POTUS. Also, as I read some of the rightwing comments I’m saddened by how shallow and stupid rightwing people can be. Obviously, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are not well-educated people, nor was George Bush despite having been pushed through Yale & Harvard by family money and power. Nor do these three have any serious curiosity about how the world works. And yet you supposedly intelligent rightwingers go ga-ga over these misfits for public office. This is part of the dumbing down process we’ve been experiencing. These two women don’t know or understand much social, political or religious history and you want them to guide us through these perilous times. Are you truly nuts? What on earth are you defending? And to make comparisons to Obama, who has a deep and thorough understanding of history is just plain dumb and 100% partisan BS. Oh yes, there’s the immortal two gaffes by Obama – ’57 states and corpsmen’. C’mon guys. It’s your judgment that left/progressive types are questioning.

WORP

You must have schooling in argumentation and/or debate, logic? (as do I)

Anyway, I suggest that the Conservative’s, “Religious Baggage” so to speak is preventing center Democrats from voting Republican?

I am not convinced that the Religious Right would abandon the Republican Party if such happened?

Lastly, I would like to see more deference to the States, by the Feds?

You and I should not be arguing over political musings and introspection…LOL

Vaya con Dios

2012freedom said:
Ummmmm….no. Wrong. Some were Christians but most were Deist. There were numerous black founders fighting right along with the white ones for our independence. I know that doesn’t fit into your Liberal talking points but you really need to study history.

Liberals are the tools and handmaidens of Satanic influence I am not sure if you are aware of what dire straits our country is in, you shouldn’t joke about me or anyone from my Church being Liberal, the only think I am Liberal in is how often I pray which is very Liberally LOL. I am not aware of the black founders and quite sure they were slaves in 1776. As Pat Buchanan has said before the Declaration of Independence was signed by all white men. If you wan’t to take up your argument with Pat Buchanan feel free to. But he is an authority on American History if you have ever read any of his books.

ganymede said:
I can’t believe Michele Bachmann will be any more successful than Sarah Palin in her quest to be POTUS. Also, as I read some of the rightwing comments I’m saddened by how shallow and stupid rightwing people can be. Obviously, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are not well-educated people, nor was George Bush despite having been pushed through Yale & Harvard by family money and power. Nor do these three have any serious curiosity about how the world works. And yet you supposedly intelligent rightwingers go ga-ga over these misfits for public office. This is part of the dumbing down process we’ve been experiencing. These two women don’t know or understand much social, political or religious history and you want them to guide us through these perilous times. Are you truly nuts? What on earth are you defending? And to make comparisons to Obama, who has a deep and thorough understanding of history is just plain dumb and 100% partisan BS. Oh yes, there’s the immortal two gaffes by Obama – ‘57 states and corpsmen’. C’mon guys. It’s your judgment that left/progressive types are questioning.

The reason people like SP and MB and for that matter any number of the liberty candidates is that they have the intelligence to understand this country has “progressed’ from a small central government providing prosperity, to a lawless behemoth government doomed to collapse of its own weight.

They are right on policy and that’s what’s important to country.

Obama seeks to fundamentally transform this country without the consent of the people and that’s just dumb.

purveyor said:
Chuckle chuckle–thats funny

I am still awake. I am an insomniac.

I knew my words would be misinterpreted. I like poetry and I am a freak of nature but not that kind of freak of nature if you know what I mean.

Epic politeness fail on my part. Touché. I will be ruder and more sullen in the future. My bad.
LOL!LOL!

ganymede said:
I can’t believe Michele Bachmann will be any more successful than Sarah Palin in her quest to be POTUS. Also, as I read some of the rightwing comments I’m saddened by how shallow and stupid rightwing people can be. Obviously, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are not well-educated people, nor was George Bush despite having been pushed through Yale & Harvard by family money and power. Nor do these three have any serious curiosity about how the world works. And yet you supposedly intelligent rightwingers go ga-ga over these misfits for public office. This is part of the dumbing down process we’ve been experiencing. These two women don’t know or understand much social, political or religious history and you want them to guide us through these perilous times. Are you truly nuts? What on earth are you defending? And to make comparisons to Obama, who has a deep and thorough understanding of history is just plain dumb and 100% partisan BS. Oh yes, there’s the immortal two gaffes by Obama – ‘57 states and corpsmen’. C’mon guys. It’s your judgment that left/progressive types are questioning.

Love the comment about George Bush – he had higher grades than John Kerry – remember???
and Michelle – was two law degrees – very stupid woman

and you – with your hypocritical statements about the right – very stupid.

done – brilliant wonder. 2 gaffes by Obama? 2 a freaking day! Couldn’t remember how old his daughter was – didn’t know what the hell year it was – didn’t know you don’t touch the Queen. Didn’t know……..
give it up you lying fool!

Now we know why Americans hate poetry and especially writing it themselves.
The American psyche is in an interesting place now. Irony and detachment has saturated our souls. You can have too much of a good thing.

“People can’t figure me out, they can’t process me, I don’t expect them to. You can’t process me with the normal brain.”

I here ya Charlie. Some are like that. Your one messed up dude but i like that quote.

the first 6 months gaffes:
http://usconservatives.about.com/od/conservativesobama/tp/ObamaGaffes.htm

purveyor said:
WORP

You must have schooling in argumentation and/or debate, logic? (as do I)

Anyway, I suggest that the Conservative’s, “Religious Baggage” so to speak is preventing center Democrats from voting Republican?

I am not convinced that the Religious Right would abandon the Republican Party if such happened?

Lastly, I would like to see more deference to the States, by the Feds?

Reason is not the domain of the schooled but the learned.
Conservatives shouldn’t pander to bigots , religious or other . Only truth will win the day.
Republicans lost their way by embracing progressivism and have been pandering to group and identity politics ever since. The party needs to be reformed and hopefully is in that process presently.
I check what it seems to me needs checking.

You and I should not be arguing over political musings and introspection…LOL

Vaya con Dios

or how about this gany:
http://newsbusters.org/forum/topic-discussion/handy-reference-guide-obama039s-gaffes-and-goofs

2 you say?

whatcha say now?

Real American From Real America said:
Liberals are the tools and handmaidens of Satanic influence I am not sure if you are aware of what dire straits our country is in, you shouldn’t joke about me or anyone from my Church being Liberal, the only think I am Liberal in is how often I pray which is very Liberally LOL. I am not aware of the black founders and quite sure they were slaves in 1776. As Pat Buchanan has said before the Declaration of Independence was signed by all white men. If you wan’t to take up your argument with Pat Buchanan feel free to. But he is an authority on American History if you have ever read any of his books.

Color of ones skin doesn’t matter it’s the content of ones character. Read the analysis of the former slave Frederick Douglass on whether or not the constitution is a pro-slave document.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=1128

Worp said:
Color of ones skin doesn’t matter it’s the content of ones character. Read the analysis of the former slave Frederick Douglass on whether or not the constitution is a pro-slave document.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=1128

Thank you I will.

God Bless.

gaymede said:
Are you truly nuts?

Uh oh, irony.

I like Liz Trotta, she doesn’t like guff from anyone.

Simon Baron-Cohen I suspect is fascinated by many of the contributors here at Mediaite.

This forum is fertile ground for understanding Empathizing–systematizing theory.

The extreme male brain (EMB) theory is qualitatively proven here.

WORP said

“Reason is not the domain of the schooled but the learned.”

Must you consistently take a contrarian disposition?

“Reason is not the domain of the learned, but of the schooled”

Your pretentious profundity is , well pretentious. So there!

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

The liar Frances Martel hates Conservative women. They threaten & scare the crap out of her. Pathetic.

TheRealRoyalQueen said:
The liar Frances Martel hates Conservative women. They threaten & scare the crap out of her. Pathetic.

A gNOpig talking head, Liz Trotta, sticks her hooves in her mouth slamming Moose Boogers and Batsht Crazy Bachmann and THAT is the fault of Frances Martel?!

Oh, I guess that video clip is lying too.

AIO_7 said:
Have you heard Bachmann’s husband speak? He sounds gay as all get up.
I’d bet that they have an open marriage with him cavorting in gay bath-houses all the time.
Can’t wait ’till that hits the news.

Like Seinfeld would say: “Not that there is anything wrong with that”.

Yeah. Michele Bachmann has a scholarly background….if you count Oral Roberts University as “scholarly”

They wouldn’t have this scrutiny if they didn’t go around lecturing people about how we need to know our US History.

2012freedom said:
LOL. I guess dictionary.com thinks there is. ev·o·lu·tion·ist   [ev-uh-loo-shuh-nist or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-] Show IPA –noun1.a person who believes in or supports a theory of evolution, especially in biology. 2.a person who supports a policy of gradual growth or development rather than sudden change or expansion.

The next think you’ll do is give me the dictionary . com definition of “theory”?
Did you study up on the theory of evolution to learn what it really is also, or did you just feel so satisfied after posting that you forgot the other part of my post.

Worp said:
Look bigot, I know the only thing that matters to you is your stated hate for “creationists” but take a breath and show some acceptance of those that hold values other than your and you will find others listening to the content of your arguments. Until then hate on others plz.

I said I’d never vote for one, that’s “stated hate”? I don’t care if you think the earth is 6000 years old, I don’t want to have a president who thinks the earth is 6000 years old. I don’t think it has anything to do with VALUES, it has to do with IGNORANCE. If someone is dumb enough to think the earth is 6000 years old, I’m sorry, I have no time for them, but you are free to be willfully ignorant. Just don’t expect me to vote for you. And I don’t HATE you or anyone else who wants to remain willfully ignorant, I kind of feel sorry for you.

Nature Freak said:
To believe the world is 6000 or 7000 years old should disqualify any candidates. I would like a statement from Palin and Bachmann concerning this. It is relevant in a big way. If someone wants to say God assisted evolution, I can deal with that. God may have created the big bang. Much we do not understand. I believe in an immortal soul myself. But to say evolution does not exist is just going to create conflict and animosity, including from me. Evolution is real, though the fine points may be argued.

While we’re at it, I think they should also make statements about whether they believe Jesus is going to be back to Rapture anyone anytime soon, a la James Watt. I don’t want anyone trying to “help” Israel because they’d like Christ to come back sooner–and they are out there.

Worp said:
People say apes because that is what has been institutionalized “truth” for decades. You have seen the evolutionary chart right?http://api.ning.com/files/gLbtJLaXsiOn8E5Dy*u1TPYNEFpcTZva4wwYo8fOS2V6xCPP-*Z1-NmwyW-i7siw/EvolutionTree.jpgThis is literally what all Americans learned and it is a lie. There is a reason for this lie. The reason is to dehumanize man. To rule him as an animal. It is the source of eugenics, and has lead to the mass slaughter of millions. It’s a belief called social Darwinism, Maohttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2385221/postsRegarding the original article from discovery the conclusion is in boldMyth Busted: Humans Never Evolved From ChimpanzeesAlthough chimpanzees remain our closest living primate relatives, there is now no evidence that Homo sapiens somehow evolved from chimpanzee-like individuals, losing chimp characteristics over time.Americans believe in the bill of rights and the original intent of our constitution which is the opposite of social Darwinism. However I do see small amounts of truth in the system that don’t contradict our founding, like survival of the fittest and that species evolve over time.

That’ “ape to man” chart has been gone a long time. THat’s the pesky thing with science: people KEEP LEARNING! They don’t stop in 2000 BC. Oh and I find it hard to believe the intent was to “dehumanize man”. Got any other conspiracy theories? Scientists wanted to dehumanize themselves, you’re saying. That makes sense. And just because YOU find no evidence of evolution doesn’t mean a thing. Nada. You aren’t even looking.

Worp said:
However I do see small amounts of truth in the system that don’t contradict our founding, like survival of the fittest and that species evolve over time.

You have no idea what “survival of the fittest” means either, do you?

I’d just like to say something about NATUREFREAK.

I like the guy. His Politics seem to come from an emotional part of him, whereas i strive for pure reason. But, he’s harmless, non-threatening. He’s an eccentric, an artist.

Most of all, I believe he’d help someone, if they needed help, even if he didn’t like the individual, or, the individual didn’t like him.

He has read obscure literature, not just seen the Movie. Then, he has connected the proverbial “dots.” Sometimes, incorrectly, in my opinion, however, he is NOT connecting the dots out some competitive level, as sometimes, do I.
(I have an alpha psych profile. So do others here.)

Anyway, I just don’t see NATUREFREAK as only wanting to win the game, rather, he’d prefer, we all enjoy it.

I am not suggesting anyone lighten up on him, or not give the appropriate thumbs up or down. I do, however, urge that you recognize that NATUREFREAK is salvageable. Done correctly, one might change his mind, or inspire him to “connect the dots” a bit differently.

A few pages back, FREAK mentioned the allegory of the Book/Movie “Planet of the Apes.” Wow, I’d forgotten about how profound and prescient Sci-fi can be.

Thank you NATUREFREAK

Purveyor

Media bias, I guess. Ahhhhhh, How can you deny the truth when it stares ya in the face.

heeeeeyyyyyyy…..Paylin and Bachman would make a great president..just dont ask them any tough questions…keep it simple…..

seek says:
the first 6 months gaffes:
……………………………
Are you the grade schooler that calls “bs”? Well to use your term.Do you really think you’re the only person who can google? How many lists of gaffs do you think could be pulled on the “girls”? The pages wouldn’t matter because you “teas” will pony up a “tea site” saying their made up history is correct. (which was never heard of before the mistake) you get fired up and moist from some of Obama’s, (which are a few) that several are opinion and taken out of text, however you claim all the bubble heads to be correct or taken out of texts! How does that work? Every “tea’s” mistake is not a mistake,….. never! That’s really neato!

purveyor said:
I’d just like to say something about NATUREFREAK.

I like the guy. His Politics seem to come from an emotional part of him, whereas i strive for pure reason. But, he’s harmless, non-threatening. He’s an eccentric, an artist.

Most of all, I believe he’d help someone, if they needed help, even if he didn’t like the individual, or, the individual didn’t like him.

He has read obscure literature, not just seen the Movie. Then, he has connected the proverbial “dots.” Sometimes, incorrectly, in my opinion, however, he is NOT connecting the dots out some competitive level, as sometimes, do I.
(I have an alpha psych profile. So do others here.)

Anyway, I just don’t see NATUREFREAK as only wanting to win the game, rather, he’d prefer, we all enjoy it.

I am not suggesting anyone lighten up on him, or not give the appropriate thumbs up or down. I do, however, urge that you recognize that NATUREFREAK is salvageable. Done correctly, one might change his mind, or inspire him to “connect the dots” a bit differently.

A few pages back, FREAK mentioned the allegory of the Book/Movie “Planet of the Apes.” Wow, I’d forgotten about how profound and prescient Sci-fi can be.

Thank you NATUREFREAK

Purveyor

I have an Omega psych profile myself. LOL.
I like to think I bring a different perspective, right or wrong to this forum.
Why would people want just another face in a crowd?
I do not have a hyper competitive personality. Nature Freak is too much of a “hippie” I guess.

Sites like this are attractive for certain personality types. Most people with my personality type would be at a yoga class, kayaking, or volunteering for some organization with their spare time. They would avoid conflict like the plague.
Lately I have been using lots of spare time to go to Mediaite. Maybe it is penance for something.

The artist side in me tries to find the symbolic meaning in everything.
My “Mediaite Fight Club for the purpose of catharsis” comment was more than tongue in cheek. It seems to be the motivation for many here.
Sometimes venting can actually increase anger over time, it is a double edge sword.

Gotta’ love Liz Trotta, she is usually right on point. Maybe she should be the one running for president, or at the very least, being Mrs.Backmann’s adviser.

Bids said:
I said I’d never vote for one, that’s “stated hate”? I don’t care if you think the earth is 6000 years old, I don’t want to have a president who thinks the earth is 6000 years old. I don’t think it has anything to do with VALUES, it has to do with IGNORANCE. If someone is dumb enough to think the earth is 6000 years old, I’m sorry, I have no time for them, but you are free to be willfully ignorant. Just don’t expect me to vote for you. And I don’t HATE you or anyone else who wants to remain willfully ignorant, I kind of feel sorry for you.

I love natural history, and it is very obvious to me that the Earth has been around for a long, long time.
We still have much to understand, but the young Earth creationists people are at the intellectual level of Harold Camping.

Conservatives here need to Google “Young Earth creationism” if they are not familiar with the concept.
I would hope those here reject such a vacuous belief system. YEC is extremism.

MBW said:
Yeah. Michele Bachmann has a scholarly background….if you count Oral Roberts University as “scholarly”

Where is her other degree from?

Someone suggested that Bush went through Harvard because of who his parents were. So, in other words they were saying that Harvard gaves grades depending on who you are – not what you’ve earned. Does that nullify Obama’s degree then, or does that only happen to republicans?

Just curious.

Why the need to put down a degree? The woman has her masters of law, and you think she’s a moron because ….. exactly why do you think she’s a moron?

Just as i predicted…..the gaydars are starting to go off!!!…this is going to be fun…FLAME ON!!! MIss Marcus Bachmann!!! If Michele is elected…who will be First Lady?

Bids said:
I said I’d never vote for one, that’s “stated hate”? I don’t care if you think the earth is 6000 years old, I don’t want to have a president who thinks the earth is 6000 years old. I don’t think it has anything to do with VALUES, it has to do with IGNORANCE. If someone is dumb enough to think the earth is 6000 years old, I’m sorry, I have no time for them, but you are free to be willfully ignorant. Just don’t expect me to vote for you. And I don’t HATE you or anyone else who wants to remain willfully ignorant, I kind of feel sorry for you.

You say the damnedest things and somehow think you’re an intellect? Who thinks the earth is 6000 years old? I’m sorry but please illuminate that brilliant statement for me. Hell, I learned about cro magnon and that was dated about 120,000 years ago so where do you come up with 6,000?

I’m sorry but I have no time for someone who blatantly presents a false statement to justify his hate for a republican and thinks he’s brighter than a 5th grader??????

seek said:
You say the damnedest things and somehow think you’re an intellect? Who thinks the earth is 6000 years old? I’m sorry but please illuminate that brilliant statement for me. Hell, I learned about cro magnon and that was dated about 120,000 years ago so where do you come up with 6,000?

I’m sorry but I have no time for someone who blatantly presents a false statement to justify his hate for a republican and thinks he’s brighter than a 5th grader??????

Most Southern Evangelical Facists only science book, is the Bible. Ever hear of the Creation Museum? Look it up.

seek said:
You say the damnedest things and somehow think you’re an intellect? Who thinks the earth is 6000 years old? I’m sorry but please illuminate that brilliant statement for me. Hell, I learned about cro magnon and that was dated about 120,000 years ago so where do you come up with 6,000?

I’m sorry but I have no time for someone who blatantly presents a false statement to justify his hate for a republican and thinks he’s brighter than a 5th grader??????

http://creationmuseum.org/

Conservatives here need to Google “Young Earth creationism” if they are not familiar with the concept.

Millions believe in YEC. Conservatives argue about YEC all the time on sites such as Free Republic. It may be a red headed stepchild to many, but others take it seriously including upwards of 20 percent of Americans (I need to look at the poling).

I would hope those here reject such a vacuous belief system. YEC is extremism.

Mosesdinoark said:
http://creationmuseum.org/

Many Americans believe in Young Earth Creationist. I can not believe anyone would deny this fact.
I live on the southern edge of the bible belt. YEC is popular here and this includes some local politicians in my neck of the woods.

YEC is about at the same level as Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

Mosesdinoark said:
Just as i predicted…..the gaydars are starting to go off!!!…this is going to be fun…FLAME ON!!! MIss Marcus Bachmann!!! If Michele is elected…who will be First Lady?

http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/09/10923/

No comment necessary.

Mosesdinoark said:
http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/09/10923/

No comment necessary.

I need to to some research on Mr. Bachmann. I know little about him other than he is very religious and anti gay.

I myself could care less if someone is a bisexual. The problem is if the accusation is true, Mr Bachmann is a self loathing hypocrite.

Again, i will have to look this one up.

Trotta still shows no sign of helpful intelligence, but only continuing negativity and ‘belief-based’ commentary. Why waste time with her?

Politically Negative and ‘belief-based’ commentary is as old as our Republic. That’s how America rolls.
If you dislike Palin and Bachmann, Scumbag University is a funny comment.
Scumbag U. is also a great soundbite.

Nature Freak said:
Politically Negative and ‘belief-based’ commentary is as old as our Republic. That’s how America rolls.
If you dislike Palin and Bachmann, Scumbag University is a funny comment.
Scumbag U. is also a great soundbite.

not really – only to a lefty.

Nature Freak said:
I need to to some research on Mr. Bachmann. I know little about him other than he is very religious and anti gay.

I myself could care less if someone is a bisexual. The problem is if the accusation is true, Mr Bachmann is a self loathing hypocrite.

Again, i will have to look this one up.

You’ll find nothing. Just some ugly rumor started by one of the democrats. You know the ones that love gays – but ….

When you’ve got nothing – start the ugly rumor mill and see who falls for it. Now, you claim to be intelligent – why would you have to do “research”? What do you hope to gain or find? Sort of diminishes your stature but you do what you feel you have to in order to protect yourself from ?

seek said:
You say the damnedest things and somehow think you’re an intellect? Who thinks the earth is 6000 years old? I’m sorry but please illuminate that brilliant statement for me. Hell, I learned about cro magnon and that was dated about 120,000 years ago so where do you come up with 6,000? I’m sorry but I have no time for someone who blatantly presents a false statement to justify his hate for a republican and thinks he’s brighter than a 5th grader??????

Boy oh boy, can anyone read here? I don’t see where I said I was an intellect, is it in my profile? One needn’t be an intellect to know the eart is not 6000 years old, however many evangelical Christians, which is what both Bachmann and Palin are, believe it is. Palin believes this, not sure about Bachmann.

Nature Freak said:
Many Americans believe in Young Earth Creationist. I can not believe anyone would deny this fact.I live on the southern edge of the bible belt. YEC is popular here and this includes some local politicians in my neck of the woods. YEC is about at the same level as Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

I’m in New York, and there are people here who believe it too. I can’t believe anyone who post on the internet could be unaware that this “belief” is growing — BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

seek said:
You’ll find nothing. Just some ugly rumor started by one of the democrats. You know the ones that love gays – but ….

When you’ve got nothing – start the ugly rumor mill and see who falls for it. Now, you claim to be intelligent – why would you have to do “research”? What do you hope to gain or find? Sort of diminishes your stature but you do what you feel you have to in order to protect yourself from ?

This is the third person to bring this up on this forum. It may just be a smear job for political purposes in an attempt to create a damaging meme. I have read nothing about Mr. Bachmann’s sexuality from any news sources. I still plan on Googling it. So many Republicans are closeted it would not shock me.

I do wish Mr. Bachmann had a more tolerant attitude towards GLBT people. His opinion on Gays is a legitimate issue to bring up.

seek said:
not really – only to a lefty.

Politically Negative and ‘belief-based’ commentary is as old as our Republic. That’s how America rolls.

There is no way you can disagree with that part of my statement. I swear this fact on a stack of history books.

Bids said:
I’m in New York, and there are people here who believe it too. I can’t believe anyone who post on the internet could be unaware that this “belief” is growing — BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

As they used to say, Denial is not just a River in Egypt.
YEC is a major controversy on the Right. Charlie Sheen is pure logic compared to the YEC nutters. Seek does not want to air dirty laundry.
Can we blame him?

Nature Freak said:
As they used to say, Denial is not just a River in Egypt.
YEC is a major controversy on the Right. Charlie Sheen is pure logic compared to the YEC nutters. Seek does not want to air dirty laundry.
Can we blame him?

You’ve gone completely off the rails. Enjoy your journey.

Nature Freak said:
This is the third person to bring this up on this forum. It may just be a smear job for political purposes in an attempt to create a damaging meme. I have read nothing about Mr. Bachmann’s sexuality from any news sources. I still plan on Googling it. So many Republicans are closeted it would not shock me.

I do wish Mr. Bachmann had a more tolerant attitude towards GLBT people. His opinion on Gays is a legitimate issue to bring up.

Just want to point out, again, that whenever you want to smear someone (especially Republicans)…just call them gay. Like it’s a bad thing. Democrats do this a lot and gay people don’t seem to care that being gay is used as a way of discrediting someone.

Democrats accept being Gay and consider it a normal part of life.They realize our families, friends, and neighbors consist of individuals who are Gay. Democrats fight bigotry towards GLBT people.

Many Republicans believe Gays are eternally damned unless they “repent”. Many Republicans consider Gays perverts. At the same time, many of these Republicans are Gay and in the closet. Yet they still persecute GLBT people.

Hypocrisy is why Republicans are being discredited. Taking “a wide stance” and then voting for bigotry makes you fair game indeed.

Bids said:
Boy oh boy, can anyone read here? I don’t see where I said I was an intellect, is it in my profile? One needn’t be an intellect to know the eart is not 6000 years old, however many evangelical Christians, which is what both Bachmann and Palin are, believe it is. Palin believes this, not sure about Bachmann.

show me where Palin believes this. Another pile of b.s.

Nature Freak said:
Democrats accept being Gay and consider it a normal part of life.They realize our families, friends, and neighbors consist of individuals who are Gay. Democrats fight bigotry towards GLBT people.

Many Republicans believe Gays are eternally damned unless they “repent”. Many Republicans consider Gays perverts. At the same time, many of these Republicans are Gay and in the closet. Yet they still persecute GLBT people.

Hypocrisy is why Republicans are being discredited. Taking “a wide stance” and then voting for bigotry makes you fair game indeed.

what are you babbling about? Who believes this garbage – besides you. Love the “many republicans” – what kind of horse pucky is that?

You want to prove any of these idiotic charges, or you figure you can just throw them out there and nobody will question their validity,

Well, I’m questioning it. It’s b.s. and you are on a smear roll and I’m sick of it. Either prove your b.s. or quit it.

Nature Freak said:
Democrats accept being Gay and consider it a normal part of life.They realize our families, friends, and neighbors consist of individuals who are Gay. Democrats fight bigotry towards GLBT people. Many Republicans believe Gays are eternally damned unless they “repent”. Many Republicans consider Gays perverts. At the same time, many of these Republicans are Gay and in the closet. Yet they still persecute GLBT people. Hypocrisy is why Republicans are being discredited. Taking “a wide stance” and then voting for bigotry makes you fair game indeed.

Because many Republicans are far right Christians, and I will not vote for them. And I am a Christian.

seek said:
show me where Palin believes this. Another pile of b.s.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/28/nation/na-palinreligion28

Dinosaurs and men walked the earth at the same time? She also thinks Intelligent Design should be taught. Do you agree?

By the way, Google is YOUR friend, too.

Bids said:
Dinosaurs and men walked the earth at the same time? She also thinks Intelligent Design should be taught. Do you agree?

The anscestors of man did indeed walk with the dinosaurs, that is, your direct relative, a great, great, great,….grandparent walked with dinosaurs. Do you agree? As for intelligent design, the notion that the Universe has order, that is, it is not random, requires scientists to implicitly accept intelligent design, and in fact, a majority of scientists believe in that. If there was a big bang, their was a Creator.

valkyrie101 said:
The anscestors of man did indeed walk with the dinosaurs, that is, your direct relative, a great, great, great,….grandparent walked with dinosaurs. Do you agree? As for intelligent design, the notion that the Universe has order, that is, it is not random, requires scientists to implicitly accept intelligent design, and in fact, a majority of scientists believe in that. If there was a big bang, their was a Creator.

Nice try. Palin believes they did it 6000 years ago, do you agree with THAT?

If that “notion” was the entirity of Intelligent Design, it would be different. The problem is that evolution has nothing to do with the big bang or the original of life.

Bids said:
I’m in New York, and there are people here who believe it too. I can’t believe anyone who post on the internet could be unaware that this “belief” is growing — BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

NOOO. This can’t be true? We live in an age of science and reason. And now another ‘Cult”, crawls out. Where did you say it was based Guyana?

seek said:
hat are you babbling about? Who believes this garbage – besides you. Love the “many republicans” – what kind of horse pucky is that?

You want to prove any of these idiotic charges, or you figure you can just throw them out there and nobody will question their validity,

Well, I’m questioning it. It’s b.s. and you are on a smear roll and I’m sick of it. Either prove your b.s. or quit it.

SEEK,

On another thread, I wrote a more thorough explanation of a thesis I’ve played with for a few years: That being, God and Evolution are completely reconcilable.

Metaphorically, if God is an artist, then evolution is his pallet, brush and easel. Essentially, as God is infinite, time and creation are very different propositions for an omnipotent, omnipresent force than our human, 24 hour cycle. Evolution, whether in a cosmic, o,r miniature scale is how God creates.

I had become tired and pained with the my God is better that your God/ evolution debate. So I ventured into theology.

Purveyor

Bids said:
Because many Republicans are far right Christians, and I will not vote for them. And I am a Christian.

“many” ? how many?

again – making up nonsense to validate your pointless garbage.

Nature Freak said:
Politically Negative and ‘belief-based’ commentary is as old as our Republic. That’s how America rolls.

There is no way you can disagree with that part of my statement. I swear this fact on a stack of history books.

Tell me – are you a “paid” poster? Why is this ridiculous allegation of yours already on google?

hmmmmmm?

what exactly is a “belief-based commentary? You believe you have all the answers so therefore you comment?

Palin and Bachmann have both made patriotic pretentiousness a major part of their shtick, and so they feel compelled to share their vast wealth of knowledge and personal insights about American History with the public.

Unfortunately, neither is disciplined enough to do her homework before discussing historical events about which they are quite ignorant, nor do they appear willing to publicly acknowledge their frequent errors, instead engaging in ad hoc historical revisionism in an effort to save face.

Nature Freak said:
Democrats accept being Gay and consider it a normal part of life.They realize our families, friends, and neighbors consist of individuals who are Gay. Democrats fight bigotry towards GLBT people.

Many Republicans believe Gays are eternally damned unless they “repent”. Many Republicans consider Gays perverts. At the same time, many of these Republicans are Gay and in the closet. Yet they still persecute GLBT people.

Hypocrisy is why Republicans are being discredited. Taking “a wide stance” and then voting for bigotry makes you fair game indeed.

bull crap. Absolute bull crap. Hypocrisy is why democrats are discredited and you just proved it. Don’t believe one freaking word coming out of your mouth.

Your a bigot and a smear merchant – and oh yes a know it all with not an ounce of moral fibre. Anything else you’d like to paint the republicans with, cause I just painted you right into the corner with your lies and made up b.s.

purveyor said:
I’d just like to say something about NATUREFREAK.

I like the guy. His Politics seem to come from an emotional part of him, whereas i strive for pure reason. But, he’s harmless, non-threatening. He’s an eccentric, an artist.

Most of all, I believe he’d help someone, if they needed help, even if he didn’t like the individual, or, the individual didn’t like him.

He has read obscure literature, not just seen the Movie. Then, he has connected the proverbial “dots.” Sometimes, incorrectly, in my opinion, however, he is NOT connecting the dots out some competitive level, as sometimes, do I.
(I have an alpha psych profile. So do others here.)

Anyway, I just don’t see NATUREFREAK as only wanting to win the game, rather, he’d prefer, we all enjoy it.

I am not suggesting anyone lighten up on him, or not give the appropriate thumbs up or down. I do, however, urge that you recognize that NATUREFREAK is salvageable. Done correctly, one might change his mind, or inspire him to “connect the dots” a bit differently.

A few pages back, FREAK mentioned the allegory of the Book/Movie “Planet of the Apes.” Wow, I’d forgotten about how profound and prescient Sci-fi can be.

Thank you NATUREFREAK

Purveyor

Glad you like him – I think he’s an idiot who hasn’t cracked a book since grade school. His statements are ridiculous and increasingly asinine.

Bids said:
While we’re at it, I think they should also make statements about whether they believe Jesus is going to be back to Rapture anyone anytime soon, a la James Watt. I don’t want anyone trying to “help” Israel because they’d like Christ to come back sooner–and they are out there.

While we are at it – since you are so concerned with where/what Church people attend and what they learn – any trouble with Obama sitting in a pew for 20 years? Anything? nothing? Didn’t care? Made no difference?

check which box appropriate.

Bids said:
Nice try. Palin believes they did it 6000 years ago, do you agree with THAT? If that “notion” was the entirity of Intelligent Design, it would be different. The problem is that evolution has nothing to do with the big bang or the original of life.

So you agree that your anscestors walked with the dinosaurs? I mean forget about the six thousand year bit, did your anscestors walk with dinos?

valkyrie101 said:
The problem is that evolution has nothing to do with the big bang or the original of life.

How do you figure that?

seek said:
While we are at it – since you are so concerned with where/what Church people attend and what they learn – any trouble with Obama sitting in a pew for 20 years? Anything? nothing? Didn’t care? Made no difference? check which box appropriate.

The latter.

valkyrie101 said:
The latter.

a good “honest” answer from a democrat. Thanks

timcajun said:
seek says:
the first 6 months gaffes:
……………………………
Are you the grade schooler that calls “bs”? Well to use your term.Do you really think you’re the only person who can google? How many lists of gaffs do you think could be pulled on the “girls”? The pages wouldn’t matter because you “teas” will pony up a “tea site” saying their made up history is correct. (which was never heard of before the mistake) you get fired up and moist from some of Obama’s, (which are a few) that several are opinion and taken out of text, however you claim all the bubble heads to be correct or taken out of texts! How does that work? Every “tea’s” mistake is not a mistake,….. never! That’s really neato!

Don’t recall saying that the right doesn’t make gaffes. I’m not a hypocrite sweets – you are.

valkyrie101 said:
How do you figure that?

Because evolution has nothing to do with how life or the universe began. How do you figure it does?

Seriously Nature Freak – why is your post already on goggle?

valkyrie101 said:
So you agree that your anscestors walked with the dinosaurs? I mean forget about the six thousand year bit, did your anscestors walk with dinos?

No, there were no homo sapiens around when the dinos were around.

valkyrie101 said:
The latter.

Four choices and your guess is the latter? Are the other 3 the former? Obama, whom I do not like, does not say anything remotely like Rev. Wright. Unlike Palin, who believes the earth is 6000 years old. You have no problem with that? Do you believe the earth is 6000 years old?

seek said:
“many” ? how many? again – making up nonsense to validate your pointless garbage.

I could say black and you’d say white. How many? The fact that there are 2 is 2 too many for me.

Bids said:
I could say black and you’d say white. How many? The fact that there are 2 is 2 too many for me.

Don’t make up stuff to try and further your argument. That is dishonest and just gets you into trouble.
Many – now you are down to 2 and you’re not even sure about the 2 . Come on – time to grow up.

seek said:
a good “honest” answer from a democrat. Thanks

Well then, I guess you must really be gritting your teeth over Romney.

Bids said:
No, there were no homo sapiens around when the dinos were around.

I didn’t say homeo sapiens, I said, your direct ancestors. Your direct ancestors, literally, were on the earth with the dinos, correct? When did your ancestors become human beings, by the way. And what is a human being? Is there such a thing as a human spirit? If so, when did that arrive in our evolution?

Bids said:
Because evolution has nothing to do with how life or the universe began. How do you figure it does?

Evolution of what? Star dust, dude, we are star dust, literally. You didn’t know that?

seek said:
“many” ? how many?

again – making up nonsense to validate your pointless garbage.

Now, now seek, calm down. There’s no telling how much “pointless garbage” you put out. And before you go off on my “pointless garbage” just remember, MY “pointless garbage” has a point.

seek said:
Tell me – are you a “paid” poster? Why is this ridiculous allegation of yours already on google?

hmmmmmm?

what exactly is a “belief-based commentary? You believe you have all the answers so therefore you comment?

I wish I was a paid poster. I could use the extra money.

Please someone, pay me for posting. I won’t tell anyone.
I

Bruce said:
Now, now seek, calm down. There’s no telling how much “pointless garbage” you put out. And before you go off on my “pointless garbage” just remember, MY “pointless garbage” has a point.

yes it does – on top of your head.

Nature Freak said:
I wish I was a paid poster. I could use the extra money.

Please someone, pay me for posting. I won’t tell anyone.
I

so then answer the question – why was your post on Google?

seek said:
Glad you like him – I think he’s an idiot who hasn’t cracked a book since grade school. His statements are ridiculous and increasingly asinine.

You are truly an as@h@le seek. And a fool. Consider anger management.
I disagree with many conservatives here, but I would never accuse them of not opening a book since grade school.
People here are for the most part very smart. I just happen to deeply disagree with many on this site, including their worldview. That is what America is about. That is what Mediaite is about.
I suspect you are a very insecure and scared individual. I pity you.
I do not plan on responding to you for a long time, seek. This should make you happy.

arrivederci…

There is much you do not know about me.

I refuse to discuss my association with Google.

2 Jul 2011 – Politically Negative and ‘belief-based’ commentary is as old as our … what exactly is a “belief-based commentary? You believe you have all …

Yah o.k. then.

I might be an asshole – but I sure the hell don’t make up crap to further my “agenda”, and you bro. have an “agenda”.
You came up with a pile of crap about republicans and gays – absolute bull shit and yet it didn’t stop you from pontificating. Remember Newt, Cheney – gay kids – they didn’t disown, didn’t throw under the bus – in fact they are rather proud of them so why your hate filled smear?

You better get busy about finding out if Bachmann’s husband is Gay – you seemed very interest. A big red flag went up with that smearing comment from you. So quit acting holier than thou. You peddle dirt and put a nice bow around it. Underneath it’s still dirt.

I’m neither insecure nor scared. What the hell do I have to be scared about? Remember “truth will set you free” – try it, you might like it.

Bids said:
Because many Republicans are far right Christians, and I will not vote for them. And I am a Christian.

I sure opened a hornets nest.

Fleabag University and Evolution are touchy subjects around here.

I suspect a certain right wing poster here went to Fleabag University.

Yah McGill is a fleabag – sprayed regularly.

I apologize I called you a a@#$%e. You irritated me.

McGill, I guess this fact explains your British spelling of certain words.

Many of us here, including Nature Freak, graduated from respectable Universities.

There are those who graduated from good universities who make errors. There are those who dropped out of 8th grade who can run circles around you and me. Life is way more than what diploma you posses. Many college graduates have no street smarts.

Did you ever run into Leonard Cohen? He is one of my all time favorites.

Mine also – play his music all the time in my car.
A very troubled soul.

Very resüectable of the MSM, always harping on everyone else’s flubs, but never on their Kenyan Boys, who has hundreds of them, but, that is the Lame Stream Media for you, cover up the Truth and Lie about everything else. I will certainly vote for Ms Bachmann or Ms Palin, if they win the nomination, there is no doubt in my mind they can do a much better job, plus, they love America, something B. Hussein Obama, does not. One thing for sure, I did not in 2008 and I will not in 2012, vote for someone so obviously Worthless as Obama, and I was a Democrat until Obama, Pelosi, and Reid turned it into the Looney Tune Party! Anyone but B. Hussein Obama in 2012!

Seek. I changed my avatar from Naomi Watts to the Queen just for you. Pierre Trudeau was my second pick.

I bet you really hate Pierre Trudeau, including his son.

The Queen will make a good avatar for the 4th.

HEY!

I am from the land of FLEA BAG U! That is the Wisconsin Communist Party………….erm Wisconsin Democrat Party. The Socialists, Communists and Party Apparatchik REALLY took their masks off didn’t they?

Heck, you had a teacher threaten to KILL government officials and not even get thrown in jail.
You had a socialist judge attempt to subvert the rule of LAW by decreeing a bill null after the legislature passed it.

Keep it up commies. Keep showing your true selves!

You thought the 2010 Red Wave was bad, wait til the 2012 Red Tsunami.

We the taxpayers will NO LONGER fund you supposed UTOPIA which is just another dystopia.

seek said:
Mine also – play his music all the time in my car.
A very troubled soul.

Many artists are troubled souls. There is much in the world to be troubled about.
Brilliance, great creativity, and insanity seem to be related. Reflection is beautiful but also a curse.
Leonard Cohen in my opinion is actually underrated. People will miss him when he is gone.

Seek, I will leave you alone. Please understand we all bring different opinions to this forum, and i do it in a different way than most here. I can be a Discordian on occasion.

DavidKramer said:
HEY!

I am from the land of FLEA BAG U! That is the Wisconsin Communist Party………….erm Wisconsin Democrat Party. The Socialists, Communists and Party Apparatchik REALLY took their masks off didn’t they?

Heck, you had a teacher threaten to KILL government officials and not even get thrown in jail.
You had a socialist judge attempt to subvert the rule of LAW by decreeing a bill null after the legislature passed it.

Keep it up commies. Keep showing your true selves!

You thought the 2010 Red Wave was bad, wait til the 2012 Red Tsunami.

We the taxpayers will NO LONGER fund you supposed UTOPIA which is just another dystopia.

Kill a commie for your mommy!

It’s coming to America first,
the cradle of the best and of the worst.
It’s here they got the range
and the machinery for change
and it’s here they got the spiritual thirst.
It’s here the family’s broken
and it’s here the lonely say
that the heart has got to open
in a fundamental way:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

excerpt from L. Cohen’s Democracy

billwhit1357 said:
Very resüectable of the MSM, always harping on everyone else’s flubs, but never on their Kenyan Boys, who has hundreds of them, but, that is the Lame Stream Media for you, cover up the Truth and Lie about everything else. I will certainly vote for Ms Bachmann or Ms Palin, if they win the nomination, there is no doubt in my mind they can do a much better job, plus, they love America, something B. Hussein Obama, does not. One thing for sure, I did not in 2008 and I will not in 2012, vote for someone so obviously Worthless as Obama, and I was a Democrat until Obama, Pelosi, and Reid turned it into the Looney Tune Party! Anyone but B. Hussein Obama in 2012!

The Kenyan Boys sounds like a good name for a rap group circa 1989.

valkyrie101 said:
The anscestors of man did indeed walk with the dinosaurs, that is, your direct relative, a great, great, great,….grandparent walked with dinosaurs. Do you agree? As for intelligent design, the notion that the Universe has order, that is, it is not random, requires scientists to implicitly accept intelligent design, and in fact, a majority of scientists believe in that. If there was a big bang, their was a Creator.

Nonsense.

Some mammals probably did coexist with later dinosaurs. This is a very, very, VERY long way from “man walked with dinosaurs.”

The notion that the universe obeys certain natural laws (“has order”) doesn’t require intelligent design in the least, and in fact natural law as described by physics and allied sciences make intelligent design even more unlikely (as if that were even necessary).

If there was a Big Bang, there was a Big Bang. The creator part is entirely an invention of people who never overcame their fear of the unknown and so had to invent sky people to calm their night terrors.

mediadoubt said:
Nonsense.

Some mammals probably did coexist with later dinosaurs. This is a very, very, VERY long way from “man walked with dinosaurs.”

The notion that the universe obeys certain natural laws (“has order”) doesn’t require intelligent design in the least, and in fact natural law as described by physics and allied sciences make intelligent design even more unlikely (as if that were even necessary).

If there was a Big Bang, there was a Big Bang. The creator part is entirely an invention of people who never overcame their fear of the unknown and so had to invent sky people to calm their night terrors.

What was around before the big bang?
Are there other universes and do they obey different natural laws?
How much do the concepts of past, present and future converge? Do they merge in some realities?
Is the speed of light an absolute or can it vary (this is important)?
During the deepest phase of our dreaming do we enter other realities?
What about the concept of “probabilities’?
How much of physical reality is an “illusion”? Should we trust our senses?
Is there such thing as a “life force”? Does it transcends death?
Do non carbon based life forms exist? Would we be able to recognize this life if it does exist?
Will I ever talk to my late Mom and Dad again? Is it possible?
Does God or “All There Is” exist?
Could “God” have been created by another God in the infinite past and so on, and is this the true meaning of infinity?

I have questions. Lots of questions.

I wonder if the Physics or Philosophy department at Fleabag University could address my questions above.
Don’t fail me FU!

I find Aspect Psychology to be interesting.
BTW, everyone should Google the art of “Alex Grey”
You will be glad you did (at least many Mediaites will be, others will not)

To consider the speed of light to be an absolute constant which never changes is faith in an ideal.
Science opposes faith.
Does not compute.
To consider the speed of light to be an absolute constant across the universe which never changes is a leap of faith. Science is many times guilty of what it criticizes. How do we know what we observe here is the same as what some entity is experiencing on a planet in Andromeda? The rules may be different depending where you are across the universe. And the concept of flux is real.
It cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the speed of light is an absolute across all the universe. This shibboleth needs to be questioned more.

Since the speed of light is a measuring unit, I understand why questioning its variability is controversial.

RickyLeaks, what is your opinion?

In some twisted Byzantium way I have given a tiny bit of cover to the YEC.

Happy Independence Day everyone!

And the concept of variability of flux I believe is real.

My bad. Bedtime for this freak of nature.

Nature Freak said:
What was around before the big bang?Are there other universes and do they obey different natural laws?How much do the concepts of past, present and future converge? Do they merge in some realities?Is the speed of light an absolute or can it vary (this is important)?During the deepest phase of our dreaming do we enter other realities?What about the concept of “probabilities’?How much of physical reality is an “illusion”? Should we trust our senses?Is there such thing as a “life force”? Does it transcends death?Do non carbon based life forms exist? Would we be able to recognize this life if it does exist?Will I ever talk to my late Mom and Dad again? Is it possible?Does God or “All There Is” exist?Could “God” have been created by another God in the infinite past and so on, and is this the true meaning of infinity? I have questions. Lots of questions.

I think to not have questions would to not be human.

However, when you think about all the things that the pinnacle of scientific discovery has been wrong about it its own time, I dont really want to put all my faith in something so perpetually limited as human knowledge.

Belief in God is more freeing than belief in science, or man, or atheism, or whatever you call it. Plus, it has an upside.

If we all die and there is no afterlife, then who cares if I believed in God or not when I was alive? Its not like you’ll be around to say “I told you so”- you’ll be wormfood like the rest of us. Therefore I really wont have a chance to regret my decision will I?

However, if there is an afterlife, with a heaven and God and the whole enchilada, I have a feeling you may have a long, long time to regret not believing in God when you had the chance. Just something to think about.

Nature Freak said:
Kill a commie for your mommy!

Yes, the NATURE FREAK shows his TRUE COLORS! He cannot ADDRESS what I stated, just lie. Oh well, that is a typical communist Saul Alinsky tactic.

Nature Freak, would you like to debate the economics of capitalism vs communism? That is what you want correct? You are a follower of Dos Kapital and Marx correct?

Hideous old crone Trotta is jealous of two pretty ladies. She really makes a fool of herself.

Fleabag U? SHE MUST BE TALKING ABOUT HARVARD…OR MAYBE YALE OR COLUMBIA!!!

mediadoubt said:
Nonsense.
Some mammals probably did coexist with later dinosaurs. This is a very, very, VERY long way from “man walked with dinosaurs.”

Read what has been written here. Nobody is talking about mammals. Man’s human body did not just appear , it evolved from lower animals, and some of those lower animals, including our lower animal ancestors, walked with the dinos. Of course you do not call your ancesters who lived on earth at that point mammals, or human, but they are nevertheless your direct genetic ancesters. Your great, great, great, ….. grandfather was in fact on earth with the dinos. Is that nonsense?

mediadoubt said:
The notion that the universe obeys certain natural laws (“has order”) doesn’t require intelligent design in the least, and in fact natural law as described by physics and allied sciences make intelligent design even more unlikely (as if that were even necessary).

Do you believe in the theory of the big bang? If yes, how do you avoid the notion of first cause? If there was a first cause, then like all other functions that exist in the Universe, why would the Universe not therefore be a function of that first cause? If you agree with that, then you agree that the Universe “looks” (so to speak) like the first cause. Like a pttcher that initiates the movement of the ball and imparts spin, tragectory, and speed. It would be silly to suggest that the pitcher has nothing to do with the ball.

seek said:
Don’t make up stuff to try and further your argument. That is dishonest and just gets you into trouble.Many – now you are down to 2 and you’re not even sure about the 2 . Come on – time to grow up.

Seek, I haven’t made anything up, but you’ve accused me to making things up twice now, not acknowledging that I DID prove to you than Palin was a creationist. Bachmann wants intelligent design taught in the schools. Hello!!! Anyone remember you guys being voted in because people need the jobs you were going to create! I am not crazy about electing a Mormon either. Their WHite Horse Prophecy is about as dangerous as believing in the Rapture. You have no problem with religious zealots gaining the white house, do you?

valkyrie101 said:
I didn’t say homeo sapiens, I said, your direct ancestors. Your direct ancestors, literally, were on the earth with the dinos, correct? When did your ancestors become human beings, by the way. And what is a human being? Is there such a thing as a human spirit? If so, when did that arrive in our evolution?

No, my direct ancestors were from Italy. Humans did not walk with dinos, no no and no. Stop changing the subject. Sarah Palin believes dinos walked the earth SIX THOUSAND YEARS AGO ALONG WITH HUMANS! This is the topic, not how the universe began or how life started or when our ancestors “became” human. Next thing you’re going to ask when life begins after conception. Not biting. I said Palin believes man walked with dinosaurs 6000 years ago and proved it.

Oh, I love these kind of questions! I’ll give my opinion, and it is only MY opinion for whatever it is worth (which is probably zip to about 2 people here, they can skip it)

Nature Freak said:
What was around before the big bang? THE SAME STUFF AS AFTER THE BIG BANGAre there other universes and do they obey different natural laws? WHO KNOWS?How much do the concepts of past, present and future converge? Do they merge in some realities? I DON’T THINK SOIs the speed of light an absolute or can it vary (this is important)? DO YOU MEANT “CONSTANT”? RESEARCH FINDS IT IS, IN A VACUUM, LIKELY CONSTANTDuring the deepest phase of our dreaming do we enter other realities?I DON’T THINK SOWhat about the concept of “probabilities’?WHAT ABOUT IT? :)How much of physical reality is an “illusion”? “REALITY” WOULDN’T BE AN ILLUSION. Should we trust our senses?Is there such thing as a “life force”? Does it transcends death? DON’T KNOWDo non carbon based life forms exist? Would we be able to recognize this life if it does exist?DON’T KNOWWill I ever talk to my late Mom and Dad again? Is it possible? NODoes God or “All There Is” exist? COULD BE SOMETHING, WHICH HUMANS HAVE NAMED “GOD”Could “God” have been created by another God in the infinite past and so on, and is this the true meaning of infinity? WOW. :) I have questions. Lots of questions.

Love it.

BarneyFranken said:
Belief in God is more freeing than belief in science, or man, or atheism, or whatever you call it. Plus, it has an upside. If we all die and there is no afterlife, then who cares if I believed in God or not when I was alive? Its not like you’ll be around to say “I told you so”- you’ll be wormfood like the rest of us. Therefore I really wont have a chance to regret my decision will I? However, if there is an afterlife, with a heaven and God and the whole enchilada, I have a feeling you may have a long, long time to regret not believing in God when you had the chance. Just something to think about.

Those are two TERRIBLE reasons to believe in God IMO. The first you cite, is simply saying “It’s easier to believe something there is no proof for, than to think”, and the second is like Abbott and Costello “I DO BELIEVE IN SPOOKS, I DO BELIEVE IN SPOOKS!” JFTR, I do believe in God, not because I am afraid to go to the man made concept of “hell” for eating meat on Friday, or because I have a 50/50 chance of being correct. (Don’t you think God would KNOW you only believe “just in case”?) I believe there is something man has named “god” because of the vastness of the universe, the mystery of life, and the miracle of existence. Not because I’m afraid NOT TO, or because I read that God greated the world 6000 years ago and dictated it to some middle easterners.

Bids said:
No, my direct ancestors were from Italy. Humans did not walk with dinos, no no and no.

I assume you are joking there, or a gear got bent by what I said, but to be clear: You know your grandfather, right? How about your great grandfather, you had one, right? And a great great grandfather (or grandmother), you had one of those, right? There are about 5 generations in a century, 50 in a thousand years, 500 in ten thousand years (around the time that agriculturing was discovered), and just 5000 generations or so in one hundred thousand years. Geneticists trace our human ancestors to perhaps a single tribe living in east Africa approximately 140K years ago or so. I mean think about it, you could put all your direct ancestors back 140,000 years in the Wrigley Field bleachers. And in fact, you have not changed too much in those years. Maybe gotten bigger, etc., but not that different. But keep going, go back a few million generations and you had gills, man. You understand that, at least as far as your physical body goes, if you go back far enough your direct ancestor was alive on earth at the time of the dinosaurs. YOUR DIRECT ANCESTOR walked with the dinosaurs.

valkyrie101 said:
I assume you are joking there, or a gear got bent by what I said, but to be clear: You know your grandfather, right? How about your great grandfather, you had one, right? And a great great grandfather (or grandmother), you had one of those, right? There are about 5 generations in a century, 50 in a thousand years, 500 in ten thousand years (around the time that agriculturing was discovered), and just 5000 generations or so in one hundred thousand years. Geneticists trace our human ancestors to perhaps a single tribe living in east Africa approximately 140K years ago or so. I mean think about it, you could put all your direct ancestors back 140,000 years in the Wrigley Field bleachers. And in fact, you have not changed too much in those years. Maybe gotten bigger, etc., but not that different. But keep going, go back a few million generations and you had gills, man. You understand that, at least as far as your physical body goes, if you go back far enough your direct ancestor was alive on earth at the time of the dinosaurs. YOUR DIRECT ANCESTOR walked with the dinosaurs.

Thanks for giving me your opinion on something I did not ask for. My statement that started this train of thought was, “I will not vote for a creationist”. Sarah Palin believes the earth is 6000 years old and man walked with dinosaurs. Man did not walk with dinosaurs AT ALL, and certainly not 6000 years ago, nor is the earth 6000 years old. If you want to say that some paramecium that evolved into a human existed at the time that dinosaurs were on earth, that’s fine, but that does not mean man walked with dinosaurs, no matter how many times or different ways you say it.

Bids said:
Thanks for giving me your opinion on something I did not ask for. My statement that started this train of thought was, “I will not vote for a creationist”. Sarah Palin believes the earth is 6000 years old and man walked with dinosaurs. Man did not walk with dinosaurs AT ALL, and certainly not 6000 years ago, nor is the earth 6000 years old. If you want to say that some paramecium that evolved into a human existed at the time that dinosaurs were on earth, that’s fine, but that does not mean man walked with dinosaurs, no matter how many times or different ways you say it.

So your ancestors did not walk with dinos?

Bid,
The expression “man walked with dinosaurs” was only to suggest that our direct ancestors co-existed in the same time frame and environment, not that they took walks in the park together. Your ancestors were alive back then, with the dinos. So someone answer this question: At what point in the continuous unbroken genetic chain from you, through your father, grandfather, and great grandfather…. going back to the time of the dinosaurs, can you say, ok, I’m a man, and my father is an animal?

What is a man? What is an animal, and how do they differ?

Valkyrie, as I see it you and I are talking about two different things. I am talking about Sarah Palin’s belief the the earth was created 6000 years ago, and MAN AS WE KNOW HIM TODAY walked with dinos, you are saying that dinos existed (?) years ago, and our ancestors were alive back then. Two totally different subjects.

When did our animal ancestors become men?

Bids said:
Valkyrie, as I see it you and I are talking about two different things. I am talking about Sarah Palin’s belief the the earth was created 6000 years ago, and MAN AS WE KNOW HIM TODAY walked with dinos, you are saying that dinos existed (?) years ago, and our ancestors were alive back then. Two totally different subjects.

Look, I know I am leading this off in a different direction from where you started. :-) Its all good.

Nature Freak said:
What was around before the big bang?
Are there other universes and do they obey different natural laws?
How much do the concepts of past, present and future converge? Do they merge in some realities?
Is the speed of light an absolute or can it vary (this is important)?
During the deepest phase of our dreaming do we enter other realities?
What about the concept of “probabilities’?
How much of physical reality is an “illusion”? Should we trust our senses?
Is there such thing as a “life force”? Does it transcends death?
Do non carbon based life forms exist? Would we be able to recognize this life if it does exist?
Will I ever talk to my late Mom and Dad again? Is it possible?
Does God or “All There Is” exist?
Could “God” have been created by another God in the infinite past and so on, and is this the true meaning of infinity?

I have questions. Lots of questions.

These are interesting questions. Some are more meaningful than others.

valkyrie101 said:
Read what has been written here. Nobody is talking about mammals. Man’s human body did not just appear , it evolved from lower animals, and some of those lower animals, including our lower animal ancestors, walked with the dinos. Of course you do not call your ancesters who lived on earth at that point mammals, or human, but they are nevertheless your direct genetic ancesters. Your great, great, great, ….. grandfather was in fact on earth with the dinos. Is that nonsense?

Actually, most of the dinosaurs ‘n’ men folks posting here seem to explicitly mean “men walked with dinosaurs.” Such misguided individuals might be beyond hope.

Regarding your argument, I don’t think the label of “great X however-many grandfather” can reasonably be said to apply mammals of the late Cretaceous. I have a comparable relationship with the first single-celled organisms, but I wouldn’t call them “relatives.”

valkyrie101 said:
Do you believe in the theory of the big bang? If yes, how do you avoid the notion of first cause? If there was a first cause, then like all other functions that exist in the Universe, why would the Universe not therefore be a function of that first cause? If you agree with that, then you agree that the Universe “looks” (so to speak) like the first cause. Like a pttcher that initiates the movement of the ball and imparts spin, tragectory, and speed. It would be silly to suggest that the pitcher has nothing to do with the ball.

I admit that I do not know what (if anything) preceded the big bang. The likelihood that it was set in motion by some supernatural being I (conditionally) reject as being highly unlikely and indicated by no evidence whatsoever.

mediadoubt said:
I admit that I do not know what (if anything) preceded the big bang. The likelihood that it was set in motion by some supernatural being I (conditionally) reject as being highly unlikely and indicated by no evidence whatsoever.

Sure, there is no evidence of pre-big bang. And all of this is theoretical. But at least as far as our known laws of science, everything and I mean everything in existence is a function of the big bang. And everything in existence, including human beings, are a result of whatever initiated the big bang. Another way of saying that is that everything in existence reflects some aspect of that first cause. Thus, we are the children of that initiator in that our nature is a function of it.

mediadoubt said:
Actually, most of the dinosaurs ‘n’ men folks posting here seem to explicitly mean “men walked with dinosaurs.” Such misguided individuals might be beyond hope. Regarding your argument, I don’t think the label of “great X however-many grandfather” can reasonably be said to apply mammals of the late Cretaceous. I have a comparable relationship with the first single-celled organisms, but I wouldn’t call them “relatives.”

Sarah’s heart is good, and she is faithful to her religion, especially when asked trick and leading questions intended to make her look bad, but most Christians do not claim to “know” or “understand” the Creation story in some absolute sense, just they have faith in whatever it means. Likewise, the theory of evolution, though being the holy grail of science, is just a theory.

We know from science that our physical bodies evolved from animals. At what point, however, did we become men? Is that a function of our body’s evolution, or was there an event where “God” imparted His spirit causing our evolution from humanoid to men? That could be 6K years ago.

What is a man? What is an animal? What is the difference between them, other than shape, etc.?

mediadoubt said:
Regarding your argument, I don’t think the label of “great X however-many grandfather” can reasonably be said to apply mammals of the late Cretaceous. I have a comparable relationship with the first single-celled organisms, but I wouldn’t call them “relatives.”

You would be wrong because they literally are your direct ancestors. How can you say they are not related to you? Your great great…. grandfather was a fish. You are related to fish. Some of your body parts can be directly traced to evolution that occured generation by generation in your lineage while it was a fish.

Ancestory.com doesn’t go back that far.

Perdido said:
Ancestory.com doesn’t go back that far.

Not yet. But I have my lineage back to my great, great, great, …..grandfather fish, “Nemo”.

To this day, some people are uneasy eating fish.

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Perdido said:
To this day, some people are uneasy eating fish.

Yes, almost canibalism. :-)

Bids said:
Seek, I haven’t made anything up, but you’ve accused me to making things up twice now, not acknowledging that I DID prove to you than Palin was a creationist. Bachmann wants intelligent design taught in the schools. Hello!!! Anyone remember you guys being voted in because people need the jobs you were going to create! I am not crazy about electing a Mormon either. Their WHite Horse Prophecy is about as dangerous as believing in the Rapture. You have no problem with religious zealots gaining the white house, do you?

You had no trouble with electing someone who listened to hate the whites speech for 20 years. None!
The idiot is still spewing his hate – so get off the religion train. Doesn’t much matter what someone’s religion is.

You can’t suddenly make that argument – since it has nothing to do with Presidential power. It didn’t matter to you for Obama and it doesn’t matter for any republican running for the office.

Yes, you made blanket statements about republicans and religion. You have no idea who believes what – but it didn’t stop you from throwing numbers out.

Bids said:
Thanks for giving me your opinion on something I did not ask for. My statement that started this train of thought was, “I will not vote for a creationist”. Sarah Palin believes the earth is 6000 years old and man walked with dinosaurs. Man did not walk with dinosaurs AT ALL, and certainly not 6000 years ago, nor is the earth 6000 years old. If you want to say that some paramecium that evolved into a human existed at the time that dinosaurs were on earth, that’s fine, but that does not mean man walked with dinosaurs, no matter how many times or different ways you say it.

Would you mind showing me where you got your information on Palin believing the earth is 6000 years old and man walked with dinosaurs? I’m really curious.

Valkyrie, rather than respond to each post. …

I believe the ancestors of the first humans timeframe was about 6-8 million years ago, while dinosaurs were a couple hundred million previous. So I don’t know that we existed at the same time, or what we “were” before our ancestors existed.

What was before the big bang? Some theorize that there may have been a series of big bangs, that matter constricted before, and then expanded, over and over. We don’t know.

While I would agree that “most” Christians do not think the earth is 6000 years old, you might be surprised at how many DO. And not only Christians, some Jews do also. According to a Gallup Poll, 48% of the respondents believe that God created man as he is now about 10,000 years ago: http://www.pollingreport.com/science.htm

Why would I now vote to a professed Christian who believes this? Because I wonder what else they believe as fact? Would they hasten “end time” events? Would they be like Jim Watt, who said the environment does not need protecting because Jesus is coming back “soon”? If someone would vote for a Christian with these beliefs, they would probably be unlikely to vote for a fundamentalist Muslim (or any Muslim) either. IMO what is the difference? I do not want someone with their finger on the nuclear button, who may think they have a hand in God’s plan, no matter what their religion.

seek said:
You had no trouble with electing someone who listened to hate the whites speech for 20 years. None!The idiot is still spewing his hate – so get off the religion train. Doesn’t much matter what someone’s religion is. You can’t suddenly make that argument – since it has nothing to do with Presidential power. It didn’t matter to you for Obama and it doesn’t matter for any republican running for the office. Yes, you made blanket statements about republicans and religion. You have no idea who believes what – but it didn’t stop you from throwing numbers out.

I haven’t seen evidence that Obama hates whites. And yes, I do have an idea who believes what: because they say it.

seek said:
Would you mind showing me where you got your information on Palin believing the earth is 6000 years old and man walked with dinosaurs? I’m really curious.

Already posted it. Either go back and find the post, or google it yourself, like I did, and posted.

Obama doesn’t hate whites. That would be his pastor, and his pastor’s best bud, Louie Farrakhan.

Bids said:
Valkyrie, rather than respond to each post. …
I believe the ancestors of the first humans timeframe was about 6-8 million years ago, while dinosaurs were a couple hundred million previous. So I don’t know that we existed at the same time, or what we “were” before our ancestors existed.

But your “ancestors” did not appear by spontaneous combustion 6-8 million years ago, right? Rather, your ancestors are directly descended from animals that existed at the time of the dinosaurs and before. You share a common ancestor with the dinosaurs (ie dinosaurs are your cousins, as are all animals). Your dog is your cuz. That is why our genetic code is so similar to other animals.

And some of the fish were swimming in oxygen deprived water. Those ended up becoming liberals.

Bids said:
Already posted it. Either go back and find the post, or google it yourself, like I did, and posted.

I did google it – found nothing.

Mia Kulper said:
seek is just trying to weasel out of answering for being caught in yet another lie while trying to call YOU a liar.

Glenn Beck DID go on FOX and call President Obama a “racist” and O’Reilly DID call that doctor a “killer.”

If pointing out the truth of that to seek somehow makes me “Sam” that’s fine, but seek is still a proven liar.

Like your typical teatard, seek projects his worst character flaws onto everybody else.

O’Reilly called “that dr.” a killer – the dr. did late term abortions and also records indicated that ‘live” babies from these abortions were terminated (with scissors no less).

Bids said:
What was before the big bang? Some theorize that there may have been a series of big bangs, that matter constricted before, and then expanded, over and over. We don’t know.

Yes, we do not know. And it is hard to imagine because time and space did not exist until after the big bang. But we do know, at least within our own post big bang Universe, that every effect has a cause, and that there is a relationship between the cause and the effect. If the Universe is a result, logic says there is a cause, and I am calling that first cause “God” for lack of a better word. And if the big bang had a cause, as logic dictates it must, that cause must have imparted some aspect of its nature into that effect. Thus, by examining the nature of the Universe, we can deduce the nature of the first cause, the nature of God. That is a concept mentioned by St. Paul in the Bible: “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. (Rom. 1:20)

valkyrie101 said:
Sure, there is no evidence of pre-big bang. And all of this is theoretical. But at least as far as our known laws of science, everything and I mean everything in existence is a function of the big bang. And everything in existence, including human beings, are a result of whatever initiated the big bang. Another way of saying that is that everything in existence reflects some aspect of that first cause. Thus, we are the children of that initiator in that our nature is a function of it.

Maybe true, but not especially meaningful either in terms of philosophy or daily life — because the relationship is so remote.

valkyrie101 said:
But your “ancestors” did not appear by spontaneous combustion 6-8 million years ago, right? Rather, your ancestors are directly descended from animals that existed at the time of the dinosaurs and before. You share a common ancestor with the dinosaurs (ie dinosaurs are your cousins, as are all animals). Your dog is your cuz. That is why our genetic code is so similar to other animals.

Yanno, some people get bent out of shape that they may be related to monkeys, I’m happy to be related to my dog. :)

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, we do not know. And it is hard to imagine because time and space did not exist until after the big bang. But we do know, at least within our own post big bang Universe, that every effect has a cause, and that there is a relationship between the cause and the effect. If the Universe is a result, logic says there is a cause, and I am calling that first cause “God” for lack of a better word. And if the big bang had a cause, as logic dictates it must, that cause must have imparted some aspect of its nature into that effect. Thus, by examining the nature of the Universe, we can deduce the nature of the first cause, the nature of God. That is a concept mentioned by St. Paul in the Bible: “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. (Rom. 1:20)

You’re evoking the “God of the gaps”. I and many others admit we do not know some things, but I do not just substitute “It must have been God!” if there is no answer. People used to think thunder was the gods. Now we know what it is.

valkyrie101 said:
Sarah’s heart is good, and she is faithful to her religion, especially when asked trick and leading questions intended to make her look bad, but most Christians do not claim to “know” or “understand” the Creation story in some absolute sense, just they have faith in whatever it means. Likewise, the theory of evolution, though being the holy grail of science, is just a theory.

We know from science that our physical bodies evolved from animals. At what point, however, did we become men? Is that a function of our body’s evolution, or was there an event where “God” imparted His spirit causing our evolution from humanoid to men? That could be 6K years ago.

What is a man? What is an animal? What is the difference between them, other than shape, etc.?

The point at which we became “man” was the point at which homo sapiens could be distinguished from its immediate ancestors. It’s a near certainty that there was no bright line — either godlike or something Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke might imagine.

As for what is a “man,” you can go down the pop anthropology route and include dolphins and whales, or the physical anthropology route and specifically include only those including the genes of homo sapiens. However, I’ve had some friends I’m pretty sure were more homo neanderthalensis than sapiens, so, I’m kind of liberal on that point.

seek said:
I did google it – found nothing.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/28/nation/na-palinreligion28

She hasn’t denied it.

You must have not tried very hard. And here is why it matters that she believes Creationism should be taught in the schools: http://www.livescience.com/2823-sarah-palin-creationist.html

valkyrie101 said:
You would be wrong because they literally are your direct ancestors. How can you say they are not related to you? Your great great…. grandfather was a fish. You are related to fish. Some of your body parts can be directly traced to evolution that occured generation by generation in your lineage while it was a fish.

By your definition of “relative,” perhaps — but not mine or the scientific community. It’s OK to make up your own definitions of things for argument, I suppose, as long as you’re willing to risk being misunderstood.

mediadoubt said:
Maybe true, but not especially meaningful either in terms of philosophy or daily life — because the relationship is so remote.

How would you know?

Bids said:
Yanno, some people get bent out of shape that they may be related to monkeys, I’m happy to be related to my dog. :)

Me too. :-)

mediadoubt said:
The point at which we became “man” was the point at which homo sapiens could be distinguished from its immediate ancestors.

Why? Isn’t that kind of arbitrary? Whatever we are, at least physically, began millions of years ago. And yes, it was in process during the time of the dinosaurs.

Bids said:
You’re evoking the “God of the gaps”. I and many others admit we do not know some things, but I do not just substitute “It must have been God!” if there is no answer. People used to think thunder was the gods. Now we know what it is.

Sure, of course, its just theory.

Valkyrie: Likewise, the theory of evolution, though being the holy grail of science, is just a theory.

You have to look up the scientific definition of THEORY, Valkyrie.

valkyrie101 said:
How would you know?

Not sure I get your objection. By any sense of the word, connection between daily life and an event that took place 13-odd billion years ago is “remote.”

valkyrie101 said:
Why? Isn’t that kind of arbitrary? Whatever we are, at least physically, began millions of years ago. And yes, it was in process during the time of the dinosaurs.

You can call it “arbitrary” or you can call it “a distinction between one thing and its predecessor.” From a practical point of view it doesn’t make much difference.

mediadoubt said:
Not sure I get your objection. By any sense of the word, connection between daily life and an event that took place 13-odd billion years ago is “remote.”

I probably misunderstood, sure, its remote. This whole dialgue is remote. :-)

mediadoubt said:
You can call it “arbitrary” or you can call it “a distinction between one thing and its predecessor.” From a practical point of view it doesn’t make much difference.

OK. Cool.

Bids said:
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/28/nation/na-palinreligion28

She hasn’t denied it.

You must have not tried very hard. And here is why it matters that she believes Creationism should be taught in the schools: http://www.livescience.com/2823-sarah-palin-creationist.html

Yes, I believe “a young music teacher” and the L.A. Times – lol The start of the great smear campaign. That one didn’t much catch on except with the radical left. Do you wonder why?

I believe in creationism. I believe in the bible. I do not believe that man and dinosaurs walked together – as I’m sure Palin doesn’t either. I do not believe the world is 6,000 years old. I do believe we evolved. I’m like millions of other people who go to church and believe there is a God.

I learned that in school also. I also think that creationism and evolution are not mutually exclusive. I think most God fearing Americans believe like I do – atheists not so much.

I believe that some doofus from Wasilla was attempting to make a name for himself and came up with the “Young Earth Creationism” nonsense and then attempted to indicate that Palin was one.

Crap and baloney.

p.s. I also sent my kids to Catholic School so they too could learn that a world without God is kind of an empty place.

If You think some obscure music teacher came up with the “young earth nonsense” you’ve obviously never visited answersingenesis.com, or the creation museum in Kentucky. 70,000 square feet, learn that the key to understanding the dinosaurs is the Bible: http://creationmuseum.org/. These money makers don’t exist because of something an obscure nut thought up. Wait a minute. . .. yes they do!

Here’s a dino with a saddle, visit Ken Ham’s creationism museum: http://www.flickr.com/photos/williac/1036693826/

Hey if you homeschooled your kid, you could teach them about the ice age that happened after the Biblical flood!: http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Mammoth-and-the-Ice-Age-The,4779,229.aspx

With this homeschooling book, you can explain to your kids how Noah fit all the dinosaurs on the ark: http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Answers-Book-for-Kids-The-Volume-2,5727,184.aspx

Sign up for a free, “peer reviewed journal” about the recent creation and flood: http://www.answersingenesis.org/arj/about

Forget geology! Ken Ham has all the answers about dinosaurs: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v5/n4/fossil-dino-prints

How old is the earth? http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/05/30/how-old-is-earth

Bids said:
How old is the earth? http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/05/30/how-old-is-earth

What is your angle? What do I care what people believe – my philosophy on that is “live and let live”.
Whatever helps you live a good and noble life passes muster as far as I’m concerned.

Now Casey Anthony – oh sorry wrong thread. lol

Ms. Garrison understands evolution! (South Park” Go God Go 2006)

Ms. Garrison: All right, kids, it is now my job to teach you the theory of evolution.
Butters: Oh boy!

Ms. Garrison: Now I, for one, think evolution is a bunch of *bullcrap*! But I’ve been told I have to teach it to you anyway. It was thought up by Charles Darwin and it goes something like this…

Ms. Garrison: In the beginning, we were all fish. Okay? Swimming around in the water. And then one day a couple of fish had a retard baby, and the retard baby was different, so it got to live. So Retard Fish goes on to make more retard babies, and then one day, a retard baby fish crawled out of the ocean with its…

Ms. Garrison: …mutant fish hands… and it had butt sex with a squirrel or something and made this.
[she points to a prehistoric mammal rodent]

Ms. Garrison: Retard frog-squirrel, and then *that* had a retard baby which was a… monkey-fish-frog… And then this monkey-fish-frog had butt sex with that monkey, and that monkey had a mutant retard baby that screwed another monkey… and that made you!

Ms. Garrison: So there you go! You’re the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish-squirrel! Congratulations!

Ms. Garrison understands evolution! (“South Park” Go God Go 2006)

Ms. Garrison: All right, kids, it is now my job to teach you the theory of evolution.
Butters: Oh boy!

Ms. Garrison: Now I, for one, think evolution is a bunch of *bullcrap*! But I’ve been told I have to teach it to you anyway. It was thought up by Charles Darwin and it goes something like this…

Ms. Garrison: In the beginning, we were all fish. Okay? Swimming around in the water. And then one day a couple of fish had a ret@rd baby, and the ret@rd baby was different, so it got to live. So R@tard Fish goes on to make more r@tard babies, and then one day, a r@tard baby fish crawled out of the ocean with its…

Ms. Garrison: …mutant fish hands… and it had bu@t sex with a squirrel or something and made this.
[she points to a prehistoric mammal rodent]

Ms. Garrison: Ret@rd frog-squirrel, and then *that* had a ret@rd baby which was a… monkey-fish-frog… And then this monkey-fish-frog had bu@t sex with that monkey, and that monkey had a mutant ret@rd baby that screwed another monkey… and that made you!

Ms. Garrison: So there you go! You’re the ret@rded offspring of five monkeys having bu@t sex with a fish-squirrel! Congratulations!

However one feels about Evolution or Creationism, check out the “Text of the Closing Statement of William Jennings Bryan at the trial of John Scopes”

Dayton, Tennessee, 1925

http://www.csudh.edu/oliver/smt310-handouts/wjb-last/wjb-last.htm

The text is long but very interesting.

.

excerpt from “Island” 1963 – by Aldous Huxley

“Science is not enough, religion is not enough, art is not enough, politics and economics are not enough, nor is love, nor is duty, nor is action however disinterested, nor, however sublime, is contemplation. Nothing short of everything will really do.

We cannot reason ourselves out of our basic irrationality. All we can do is learn the art of being irrational in a reasonable way.”

I agree with this statement by Huxley.

I suspect even God or the ‘Creator’ is unclear about it’s own distant origin, including the “God” that created it.

Our very language and culture makes it difficult to discuss such subjects.

In my opinion, the search for the “meaning of life” is our soul’s ‘sentence’ for eternity. There is neither a beginning or end to ‘time’. None of this is hyperbole.

We just need to enjoy our eternal ride the best we can. Laughter helps.

Check out this Aldous Huxley link:
http://www.microdutch.org/guru/Huxley-Online/whatswhat.html

I find the phrase “God fearing” to be an anachronism that needs to be done away with.

So humankind was created by God. We were also created in God’s image and likeness.
God loves us. Yet we as humans are suppose to fear and dread God. Our God is an an angry god.

I fear and dread right wing Christians far more than my creator. In my world view, to fear God is to fear part of myself, and that can not be healthy for ones soul..

If Radical Christianity wonders why they’re so many atheists and agnostics today, they need to look at themselves in the mirror as well as do some serious soul searching.

Come to think about it, of course we have an angry God. Can you blame the Creator? You would be angry too if you had millions of extreme right wing lunatics worshiping you.

I’m perplexed as to what you are up to Nature. Obviously you have a mission and working hard to advance it.
Treating Mediaite as your own personal blog begs the question, why?

Just an observation.

If Trotta can’t come up with her own thoughts on politics, Fox should drop her. Listen to a Kristen Powers and you see there’s plenty of serious and interesting liberal commentators. Leave the ‘follow’ the pack’ simple commentators to MSNBC.

FREAK,

I am from Colorado. I have actually been to South Park, many times, when on Motorcycle Rides. It is below Hoosier Pass on the High Central Plains.

In fact, I have an Eric Cartman “Respect my Authoritay!” Coffee Mug. LOL

I enjoy SP as they can be merciless to whomever has it coming…

The cartoon is underrated, yet very clever and, dare I say, requires a knowledge of current events. LOL

lane said:
If Trotta can’t come up with her own thoughts on politics, Fox should drop her. Listen to a Kristen Powers and you see there’s plenty of serious and interesting liberal commentators. Leave the ‘follow’ the pack’ simple commentators to MSNBC.

Oh yes, no one at FOX ever follows the pack, They are the most intellectual, iconoclastic original thinkers in the world. More like the same neocon bs that starts with Drudge and Rush gets repeated later at FOX.

seek said:
Yes, I believe “a young music teacher” and the L.A. Times – lol The start of the great smear campaign. That one didn’t much catch on except with the radical left. Do you wonder why?

I believe in creationism. I believe in the bible. I do not believe that man and dinosaurs walked together – as I’m sure Palin doesn’t either. I do not believe the world is 6,000 years old. I do believe we evolved. I’m like millions of other people who go to church and believe there is a God.

I learned that in school also. I also think that creationism and evolution are not mutually exclusive. I think most God fearing Americans believe like I do – atheists not so much.

I believe that some doofus from Wasilla was attempting to make a name for himself and came up with the “Young Earth Creationism” nonsense and then attempted to indicate that Palin was one.

Crap and baloney.

p.s. I also sent my kids to Catholic School so they too could learn that a world without God is kind of an empty place.

What you are saying is pretty contradictory, since you’ve denied most of the tenants of creationism yet claim you believe in it. And if you believe God exists, like the Catholic Schools, then how can you teach someone that the world is empty if god doesn’t exist? Either God exists or he doesn’t.

seek said:
I’m perplexed as to what you are up to Nature. Obviously you have a mission and working hard to advance it.
Treating Mediaite as your own personal blog begs the question, why?

Just an observation.

Seek, I am on a mission from God.

purveyor said:
FREAK,

I am from Colorado. I have actually been to South Park, many times, when on Motorcycle Rides. It is below Hoosier Pass on the High Central Plains.

In fact, I have an Eric Cartman “Respect my Authoritay!” Coffee Mug. LOL

I enjoy SP as they can be merciless to whomever has it coming…

Great show. I have watched South Park since the 1990′.

The cartoon is underrated, yet very clever and, dare I say, requires a knowledge of current events. LOL

purveyor, I love topical humor. That is what makes Mediaite such a good site for me to contribute. Mediaite has a weird but compelling mix of news stories. Mediaite is The New York Times meets the Onion meets Gawker, and has sui generis origins as well.

I was not sure about posting Ms. Garrison’s evolution rant. It’s king of raunchy. But now that i see a story here about Regis and Kelly involving penis length, I feel better!

I like the fact South Park is an equal opportunity offender. I myself have been offended on a few occasions, and i still laugh. Trey and Matt are true discordians, and I love them for that.

I have work I better finish. Later

Nature Freak said:
Seek, I am on a mission from God.

I wouldn’t stand out in a thunderstorm Nature – just saying…

jakester said:
What you are saying is pretty contradictory, since you’ve denied most of the tenants of creationism yet claim you believe in it. And if you believe God exists, like the Catholic Schools, then how can you teach someone that the world is empty if god doesn’t exist? Either God exists or he doesn’t.

I never said anything contradictory.

seek said:
I wouldn’t stand out in a thunderstorm Nature – just saying…

There is a typical Florida thunderstorm going on as I write this. I am serious. Interesting!

And I am going outside to the mailbox.

We shall see what happens. I feel like Benjamin Franklin.

Seek, LOL!

I survived the the walk to my mailbox. I am none the worse from the storm.

My God is not a vengeful dick.

Seek, If your God would punish me for what I have written here on this thread, the God you worship is actually Satan or the AntiChrist.

I would rather reign in Hell than serve in Seek’s heaven.

Seek, we should end this. Regarding theology, I am never going to convince you, and you are never going to convince me.

Thank God we live in a country dedicated to free religious expression. You do your thing Seek, and I will do mine.
America is a big place. It can handle both of us.

Bids said:
Hey if you homeschooled your kid, you could teach them about the ice age that happened after the Biblical flood!: http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Mammoth-and-the-Ice-Age-The,4779,229.aspx With this homeschooling book, you can explain to your kids how Noah fit all the dinosaurs on the ark: http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Answers-Book-for-Kids-The-Volume-2,5727,184.aspx Sign up for a free, “peer reviewed journal” about the recent creation and flood: http://www.answersingenesis.org/arj/about Forget geology! Ken Ham has all the answers about dinosaurs: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v5/n4/fossil-dino-prints

Yea, that stuff is both silly, and sad.

jakester said:
Oh yes, no one at FOX ever follows the pack, They are the most intellectual, iconoclastic original thinkers in the world. More like the same neocon bs that starts with Drudge and Rush gets repeated later at FOX.

What a strange response. Clearly you don’t watch FNC. They hire many liberal contributors who don’t base their points on the Wa PO and NY Times but on experience and their own thinking. This woman’s not one of them, her laziness is evident.

Nature Freak said:
Seek, we should end this. Regarding theology, I am never going to convince you, and you are never going to convince me.

Thank God we live in a country dedicated to free religious expression. You do your thing Seek, and I will do mine.
America is a big place. It can handle both of us.

I’m sorry Nature – wasn’t aware I was arguing theology with you. I was commenting on your lengthy dissertations and your connection with ….. (remember the google lol) and that is what I was commenting on.

I never argue religion with people. I was just pointing out to someone that I didn’t believe what people attributed to some music teacher who supposedly had a heart-to-heart with Palin during an event (didn’t believe a word of it). I doubt that there are many people who believe whatever it is called “new world creationism”

Don’t care what you believe and would never deem to tell you that what works for me would work for you.

My comment about the thunderstorm was tongue in cheek because I also remember God’s promise to mankind after the flood. So…..

believe what makes you happy.

I do know (feel it in my bones) that you’re here under specious conditions. Maybe at some point I’ll have a “eureka” moment and it will come to me. In the mean time – slog on

seek said:
O’Reilly called “that dr.” a killer – the dr. did late term abortions and …

Oh so now you finally admit it. O’Reilly was calling Dr. Tiller a “killer.”

And Glenn Beck went on FOX and called President Obama a “racist” who hates white people.

The next time somebody tells you about that, don’t just blindly lash out at them in ignorance.

Mia Kulper said:
Oh so now you finally admit it. O’Reilly was calling Dr. Tiller a “killer.”

And Glenn Beck went on FOX and called President Obama a “racist” who hates white people.

The next time somebody tells you about that, don’t just blindly lash out at them in ignorance.

you’re a fool. An absolute fool – there I’m lashing out and enjoying it.

seek said:
you’re a fool. An absolute fool – there I’m lashing out and enjoying it.

Seek, Trying to convert people to Christianity by fear is wrong.

If you want to persuade me use love.

I actually like you Seek. my respect for you went up many a notch when you told me you listen to Leonard Cohen in your car.

My God is a loving God. Seek, I suspect in real life there is the possibility despite our differences we would get along. None of what i said was truly personal.

I wish you well, Seek.

seek said:
you’re a fool. An absolute fool – there I’m lashing out and enjoying it.

Seek, stop taking everyone personally. I did Sunday night with my a@###e comment and I felt bad.
I love God and the divine. We may both love but in a different way.

Peace
Nature Freak

seek said:
you’re a fool. An absolute fool –

Since you’re a proven liar

Mia Kulper said:
Oh so now you finally admit it. O’Reilly was calling Dr. Tiller a “killer.”
And Glenn Beck went on FOX and called President Obama a “racist” who hates white people.
The next time somebody tells you about that, don’t just blindly lash out at them in ignorance.

seek said:
you’re a fool. An absolute fool – there I’m lashing out and enjoying it.

Of course you are, but you’re a little less ignorant than you were when this conversation started.

You’re welcome.

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
“Easy Money”

It’s difficult. It’s very tough.
I said to the man who’d been sleeping rough
To sit within a fragrant breeze
All among the nodding trees
That hang heavy with the stuff

He threw his arms around my neck
He brushed the tear from my cheek
And held my soft white hand
He was an understanding man
He did not even barely hardly speak

Easy money
Rain it down on the wife and the kids
Rain it down on the house where we live
Rain until you got nothing left to give
And rain that ever-loving stuff down on me

All the things for which my heart yearns
Gives joy in diminishing returns
He kissed me on the mouth
His hands they headed south
And my cheek it burned

Money, man, it is a bitch
The poor, they spoil it for the rich
With my face pressed in the clover
I wondered when this would be over
And at home we are all so guilty-sad

Easy money
Pour it down the open drain
Pour it all through my veins
Pour it down, yeah, let it rain
And pour that ever-loving stuff down on me

Now, I’m sitting pretty down on the bank
Life shuffles past at a low interest rate
In the money-coloured meadows
And all the interesting shadows
They leap up, then dissipate

Easy money
Easy money
Easy money
Rain it down on the wife and the kids
Rain it down on the house where we live
Rain it down until you got nothing left to give
And rain that ever-loving stuff down on me.