You can try using all the equivocating sophistry you like Tommy, but the cat’s out-of-the-bag!

Honest VOTERS innately know which party disdains Christians, and which one defends them!

If you’re still confused, read some of the poll results on November 3!!!!

So we’re supposed to “keep [our] fingers out of others people’s eyes,” but you can tell people of religion they have “no rational basis” for their beliefs Are you really that blind to your own hypocrisy Tommy?

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Too bad. I thought after his rally and apology he was going to go the Oprah route and stop catering to the lowest common denominator.
Gosh, he really missed a golden (no pun) opportunity.

What Beck said is that black liberation theology is a perversion of Christianity. And Obama spent twenty years listening to a racist pastor who believed in black liberation theology and was close to the anti-semitic Nation of Islam.

I think you’ve hit upon what may be the most important consequence of this little get-together. Mormonism, which has long lived in the shadows, is out in the light now. I am not sure the LDS fathers welcome that. For many years, mainline Christian denominations have simply remained silent, whilst not recognizing Mormonism as a Christian denomination nor recognizing the validity of Mormon baptism. But, Beckerhead has required some lines to be drawn again. What’s worse is that the blowback is now coming from fundamentalist Christians. If I were Romney, I’d be furious with Beckerhead, and I suspect that the LDS fathers are none too happy with him, either.

If you want to see the America that Beck is urging to take back the country by embracing christianity, you need only read his followers’ comments on this site http://wp.me/pNmlT-mI which is critical of Beck. They are completely blind to facts presented to them if they are contrary to their beliefs. It is scary to see the hold he has over them despite him offering so little substance or truth. Worse, many are Tea Partiers who are supposed to worship the Constitution, yet they have no problem with Beck preaching religion as a prerequisite for governing while the Founding Fathers tried to establish a permanent separation of church and state.

writer said:
What Beck said is that black liberation theology is a perversion of Christianity. And Obama spent twenty years listening to a racist pastor who believed in black liberation theology and was close to the anti-semitic Nation of Islam.

Giddyup!

Beck is not a theologian, nor is he a person with authority in the Church. I have serious problems with some creeping heretical practices and beliefs in liberation theology, but nothing compared to the fundamental heresy of Mormonism. Beck didn’t count on this, and he can’t stop it.

Mormons have been persecuted since the beginning, we can take it.

I couldn’t get passed author of ‘ Toxic Talk ‘ Bill Press ..

MichelleF said:
Mormons have been persecuted since the beginning, we can take it.

Thank you, Miss Paranoia of 1961.

MichelleF said:
Mormons have been persecuted since the beginning, we can take it.

Yeah, you guys are like Jews in magic underwear.

Who wrote this mess ? Did they put a typewriter in the monkey’s cage again ?

King, no matter how often you say “Giddyup”, it doesn’t change the fact that the Nation of Islam is anti-semitic. But I digress. King, could you cite some of these tenets of Mormonism that you find so distasteful?

Hey Michelle F feel free to bash Islam now , BFD and TRRK are very tolerant to that !

Sorry Tommy, another epic fail. You’ve had 3 days since Beck’s rally and this is the best you could come up with? Yeah, you prolly shoulda just ignored it. I really was expecting more from you…hah, who are we kidding, I really wasn’t.

I would murf, but I don’t have it in me. I’ll leave that to BFD and Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot.

murf said:
Hey Michelle F feel free to bash Islam now , BFD and TRRK are very tolerant to that !

Sorry. You may not find Islam to your liking. I obviously don’t find it to mine. But, it is not a cult nor is it a heresy.

Furthermore, leading up to the event, you’ve attacked the “lineup” even though you didn’t know who would speak. You’ve insinuated (numerous times) if not directly called Beck a racist. You’ve promoted the view that the rally would be anti-government and anti-black.

Instead of a lengthy post designed to denigrate Christians by quoting some fringe group that doesn’t like Beck, and designed to whine about Beck’s views on Obama, it would have been more apt (and time saving) to just write: “my bad, I was COMPLETELY wrong as to my assumptions about the rally & I’ve spent the last few days eating some crow”.

Now if Beck was a Muslim, the King would allow nary a bad word said about it. You’d be a bigot, and in between his hysterical bleating and sobbing, he’d be telling us that we must be understanding and sensitive to all.

TRRK – I myself am not a religious person but as a self proclaimed man of faith yourself , Islam is a far greater threat to Christianity than Mormonism .

writer said:
King, no matter how often you say “Giddyup”, it doesn’t change the fact that the Nation of Islam is anti-semitic. But I digress. King, could you cite some of these tenets of Mormonism that you find so distasteful?

You mean beyond the entire salvation by grace alone “deal”? Geez. What more is there? That’s pretty much Christianity in a nutshell.

You are some vacuous dude.

murf said:
TRRK – I myself am not a religious person but as a self proclaimed man of faith yourself , Islam is a far greater threat to Christianity than Mormonism .

The greater threat is always from the wolf in sheep’s clothing, not the wolf itself.

This was one of the Ministers standing up with Beck on Saturday to restore hope, honor, faith and America…

John Hagee: “I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are—were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area, that was not carried nationally, that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came.”

Even McCain publicly rejected Hagee’s endorsement, calling one of Hagee’s comments “crazy and unacceptable.”

BUT YOU CAN NEVER BE TO CRAZY OR UNACCEPTABLE TO BE ALIGNED WITH GLENN BECK!!!!

“Aside from the Pope’s questionable authority as an arbiter of evil,” TC

The Pope is not a questionable authority when it comes to liberation theology, which was a mixture of Marxism and Catholicism promoted by certain Latin American priests and bishops, and in particular, the Jesuit order.

BTW, listening to fools like Press, Olbermann, and whoever the host was makes me realize how jealous the MSNBC staff is of Fox News and Glenn Beck. Of course, the deliberate lies about the number of people attending the rally are merely comical.

The Real Royal King said:
The greater threat is always from the wolf in sheep’s clothing, not the wolf itself.

I’m sure somewhere there is logic in that sentence.

The truth, Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot, is you don’t know enough about our religion to form an opinion of your own. You rely on the distortions of others. Think for yourself man!!

Bill Press: Poor thing , has nothing left but his lib hate. Spew it, lib, spew it!

Azarkhan said:
Of course, the deliberate lies about the number of people attending the rally are merely comical.

You mean like Michelle Bachman’s claimed estimate of 1.6 mil? lolol

King, by vacuous, do you mean that when the Klan and Louis Farrakhan say the same things about Jews, you only consider the Klan to be anti-semitic? And how you respond “Giddyup” if anyone mentions Farrakhan’s anti-semitism?

The Real Royal King said:
ou mean beyond the entire salvation by grace alone

RRK, just curious, how would one one receive that grace?

personally i don’t buy into any of the religious stories but i know some extremely smart and wise people who do so if it helps them in their private life, more power to them but isn’t the whole ‘judge not lest ye be judged’ a big thing in all religion? so beck…do you really believe jesus visited america and the native americans were descendants of hebrews? was the garden of eden really in missouri? why did you guys take so long to stop discriminating against african americans? and yeah, what is up with that magic underwear? if he’s gonna call someones religious beliefs a perversion he needs to look at his own.

King, you say you’re a Catholic. But from reading your posts, you look down on and mock around 80% of the people in the country. Could you tell us which tenet of Catholicism that comes from?

Whether you like GB or not, that rally was a peaceful and patriotic exercise.

What did Bill Press say about it?

“Glenn Beck at the Lincoln Memorial is like “granting al Qaeda permission to hold a rally on September 11th at Ground Zero.”

Bill, you and you libs have already lost America with your hate.

YOU LOSE!

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/08/29/howard-kurtz-smacks-down-bill-press-comparing-glenn-beck-al-qaeda#ixzz0yE2UK3si

MichelleF said:
The truth, Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot, is you don’t know enough about our religion to form an opinion of your own. You rely on the distortions of others. Think for yourself man!!

I know volumes more about Mormonism than you have ever known and will ever know, Michelle-in-Utah. Volumes more. As a matter of fact, I think you know virtually nothing about it. You once argued that the name of the cult established that it was Christian. That is about the extent of what you know, Michelle.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
You mean like Michelle Bachman’s claimed estimate of 1.6 mil? lolol

No, I didn’t mean that at all. BTW, BFD, it’s easy to catch a lie with the internet. You would be wise to remember that in the future:

But Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), offered the biggest figure. Shortly after the event, the Washington Post reports, she said, “We’re not going to let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here today – because we were witnesses.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/29/2010-08-29_crowd_estimates_at_glenn_becks_restore_america_rally_depend_dramatically_on_who_.html#ixzz0yE1vHl9f

Patrick Henry said:
RRK, just curious, how would one one receive that grace?

Grace is freely given to all who believe. You simply need ask. “Knock, and the door will open, seek, and you will find.”

Most of us receive our faith and become the recipients of our salvation as a gift from God through our parents.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
personally i don’t buy into any of the religious stories but i know some extremely smart and wise people who do so if it helps them in their private life, more power to them but isn’t the whole ‘judge not lest ye be judged’ a big thing in all religion? ….. if he’s gonna call someones religious beliefs a perversion he needs to look at his own.

If you don’t personally buy into any of the religioius stories . . . how would you know a perversion if you saw it? If none of it is true, none of it is a perversion.

Best for atheists to stay out of the fight over details and mock ‘em all from the sidelines.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
This was one of the Ministers standing up with Beck on Saturday to restore hope, honor, faith and America… John Hagee: “I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are—were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area, that was not carried nationally, that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came.” Even McCain publicly rejected Hagee’s endorsement, calling one of Hagee’s comments “crazy and unacceptable.” BUT YOU CAN NEVER BE TO CRAZY OR UNACCEPTABLE TO BE ALIGNED WITH GLENN BECK!!!!

20 Years – REVEREND WRIGHT!

Discussion Over!

writer said:
King, you say you’re a Catholic. But from reading your posts, you look down on and mock around 80% of the people in the country. Could you tell us which tenet of Catholicism that comes from?

You and Marceaux, I mean Blower, are not 80% of the country.

The Real Royal King said:
Grace is freely given to all who believe. You simply need ask. “Knock, and the door will open, seek, and you will find.” Most of us receive our faith and become the recipients of our salvation as a gift from God through our parents.

It sounds like knocking and seeking are actions too . . . so faith without works is dead . . . ? :)

Wow … Chick Tracts as references within a news article.

You can’t get more anti Catholic than that unless you’re in the Klan.

Considering Beck had John Hagee as one of his chosen 240 spiritual leaders to help bring America around back to God, words show him once again to be a hypocrite.

Catholics have been on the persecuted for 2000 years and it won’t stop now. Even the beloved founding fathers of the nation couldn’t stop it. It was illegal to be a Catholic i n NY for some time.

The Real Royal King said:
Grace is freely given to all who believe. You simply need ask. “Knock, and the door will open, seek, and you will find.”

Most of us receive our faith and become the recipients of our salvation as a gift from God through our parents.

I am happy to say I think we finally agree on something RRK. Although I do think Jesus’ death and resurrection is the main part of it. I guess we are all breaking the old rule about never discussing religion or politics.

writer said:
What Beck said is that black liberation theology is a perversion of Christianity. And Obama spent twenty years listening to a racist pastor who believed in black liberation theology and was close to the anti-semitic Nation of Islam.

Beck believes that America is going to melt down. He holds a sign, “The End is Near”. With the government and monetary systems collapsing, with roving bands of hooligans foraging for meth, and with only the prepared surviving. Think maybe that effects his world view [cue the cool Beck radio gag voice]? Fortunately, many evangelical Christians believe the same thing. I wonder how many people who care nothing about religion are following the Beck, a great crisis is coming, not knowing that Beck has just converted them to his religion.

Come on, King. In various posts, you’ve looked down your nose on the entire southern part of the country, on anyone living in a trailer, on anyone who eats Cheetos, on anyone who shops at 7-11, most people working blue collar jobs, the list goes on and on. Your arrogance and hatred of anyone not like you is astounding, yet you’re on here proclaiming to be a Christian. If you do go to church, you must not be listening very closely.

Azarkhan said:
No, I didn’t mean that at all. BTW, BFD, it’s easy to catch a lie with the internet. You would be wise to remember that in the future:

But Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), offered the biggest figure. Shortly after the event, the Washington Post reports, she said, “We’re not going to let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here today – because we were witnesses.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/29/2010-08-29_crowd_estimates_at_glenn_becks_restore_america_rally_depend_dramatically_on_who_.html#ixzz0yE1vHl9f

Appearing on Laura Ingraham’s radio show yesterday, Bachmann said: “The crowds were overwhelming, and if you saw the aerials on the Drudge Report this weekend, there was an aerial photo. Unofficially, off the record, we talked to one of the guys from the National Park Police who told us he thought it was 1.6 million.

valkyrie101 said:
Beck believes that America is going to melt down. He holds a sign, “The End is Near”. With the government and monetary systems collapsing, with roving bands of hooligans foraging for meth, and with only the prepared surviving. Think maybe that effects his world view [cue the cool Beck radio gag voice]? Fortunately, many evangelical Christians believe the same thing. I wonder how many people who care nothing about religion are following the Beck, a great crisis is coming, not knowing that Beck has just converted them to his religion.

A lot of what Beck believes reminds me of the John Birch Society mind set.

Right Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot, I go to church every week and you know more about it than I do. You become more of a joke with every post.

Ari Fleischer said it best:

“I find Glenn Beck to be a little weird and a little creepy, but he’s entitled to give a speech on the Mall. How come the press didn’t go nuts when Louis Farrakhan and other out-there groups used the Mall to promote their thinking? It’s called press bias and it’s a double standard”

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Appearing on Laura Ingraham’s radio show yesterday, Bachmann said: “The crowds were overwhelming, and if you saw the aerials on the Drudge Report this weekend, there was an aerial photo. Unofficially, off the record, we talked to one of the guys from the National Park Police who told us he thought it was 1.6 million.

The quote continues: “There had to be over a million people there. People were packed in . . .” Funny you stopped there instead of letting her clarify (BFD = Breitbart! Hello, Andrew!)

So her number of “no less than a million” holds true still. It was the “parks guy” who said more – according to Bachmann. Here’s the link to the interview. You have to wade through a boring 2 minutes 20 seconds or so to get to the quote.

http://noisyroom.net/blog/2010/08/30/laura-ingraham-interviews-michele-bachmann/

Michelle, I’m not overly religious, and have attended various churches in my time. Even attended a Mormon church for a couple of months. Some of the nicest people I’ve ever met. So the King is right in that regard. He wouldn’t fit in at all.

Fair assessment. And while I like Beck’s underlying message of individual responsibility, he didn’t need to assert that religion is the only way to achieve it.

Did everyone hear what the pampered starlet John Cusak tweeted about FOX News & the GOP leadership? – that he wished they would die a “satanic death”!

Oh, those tolerant, open-minded liberals!

The Tide Has Turned!
The Professional-Left Democratic Media can no longer PROTECT Indoctrinated buffoons like this!

btw, NO John Cusak movies anymore!

danimal…i consider it a perversion that beck’s religious beliefs are until 1978 blacks were considered cursed by their god but had only changed that because of political pressure. and that their prophet brigham young had said this
You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. . . . Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which was the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another cursed is pronounced upon the same race–that they should be the “servants of servants;” and they will be until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree (Journal of Discourses, 7:290; emphasis added)
if that doesn’t seem perverse to you, i’ll pray for you

MichelleF said:
Right Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot, I go to church every week and you know more about it than I do. You become more of a joke with every post.

What planet will you be moving on to? Oliblish or or KOLOB?

Also, for those not in the know…Mormons don’t pray to Jesus, only Elohim.

RRK hasn’t returned. He’s too busy studying anti-Mormon propaganda like a good Christian boy.

To the left the President’s religion doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter, SHOULDN’T matter . . . unless he’s a Mormon.

If a Mormon were in charge he would somehow secretly circumvent the whole system and institute all sorts of scary things like teaching chastity and encouraging people not to drink or smoke. Lefties like RRK are certain Mormons would secretly force everyone to be a Mormon or at least live like Mormons… but don’t seem to worry about other religions.

Mormons do tend to white-wash, if not revise, their history. Gordon Hinkley was great at PR and knew that in order to mainstream their church (a noble goal), they would have to become more mainstream.

Opening the Mormon temples and the Mormon priesthood to the blacks (they were barred from both) in 1978 was a set in the right direction.

Danimal98367 said:
RRK hasn’t returned. He’s too busy studying anti-Mormon propaganda like a good Christian boy. To the left the President’s religion doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter, SHOULDN’T matter . . . unless he’s a Mormon. If a Mormon were in charge he would somehow secretly circumvent the whole system and institute all sorts of scary things like teaching chastity and encouraging people not to drink or smoke. Lefties like RRK are certain Mormons would secretly force everyone to be a Mormon or at least live like Mormons… but don’t seem to worry about other religions.

You meant “Muslim”..right?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Unofficially, off the record, we talked to one of the guys from the National Park Police who told us he thought it was 1.6 million.

So she got a little excited, what’s the Big_F-ing_Deal?

<blockquote cite="but don’t seem to worry about other religions.

Except for the ones that say soldiers die as punishment for tolerance to gays…

But even most Mormons would like to slap those folks I bet.

Danimal98367 said:
RRK hasn’t returned. He’s too busy studying anti-Mormon propaganda like a good Christian boy.

To the left the President’s religion doesn’t matter, doesn’t matter, SHOULDN’T matter . . . unless he’s a Mormon.

If a Mormon were in charge he would somehow secretly circumvent the whole system and institute all sorts of scary things like teaching chastity and encouraging people not to drink or smoke. Lefties like RRK are certain Mormons would secretly force everyone to be a Mormon or at least live like Mormons… but don’t seem to worry about other religions.

I think Mitt Romney would make a great president, personally. I have no problem with his being a Mormon.

SpineCrusher said:
You meant “Muslim”..right?

Hindu :)

writer said:
Even attended a Mormon church for a couple of months. Some of the nicest people I’ve ever met.

Writer, I agree. I’ve known many people that belong to the Mormon church and all have been extremely good people.

Danimal98367 said:
It was the “parks guy” who said more – according to Bachmann.

Yeah, that’s why I said Bachman “claimed” that estimate, by using it. Oh, did she mention WHICH “parks guy” said it? No, she just took an off the record, unnamed source and used it on national radio to bolster her already stratospheric numbers.

Hey, if you’re ok with that, fine. I just gotta tell that a “parks guy” told me that Michelle Bachman is a whore who services men for 10 dollars each in the bushes behind the National Monument.
Those damn “parks guys” do get around. lolol

Patrick Henry said:
Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Unofficially, off the record, we talked to one of the guys from the National Park Police who told us he thought it was 1.6 million.
So she got a little excited, what’s the Big_F-ing_Deal?

She didn’t get excited. She relayed what a Park Service employee told her. BTW, we all have that imbecile Louis Farrakan to thank for no longer being able to get relatively accurate Park Service estimates about crowd size.

AngelPeters said:
I think Mitt Romney would make a great president, personally. I have no problem with his being a Mormon.

I’m with you there. The only concern I have with him is the healthcare overhaul he did in Massachusetts.

I know there is a lot of common beliefs and differences in most of the christian dogma but why is ok to be critical of Christianity in any form and not ok to do the some to Islam / Muslims in this PC world. I know Christianity had it’s dark days years ago but I just don’t get this Islam. I mean stoning, the raping of women if they’re found alone with a man not her relative and she goes to jail, sharia law in general, the general treatment of women, death to men and women who have sex outside of marriage, can’t convert to a difference religion etc. etc. It just seems like a different form of slavery to me. Most Christian religion promote choice in your actions and leave the punishment and judgment to God. There is no punishment of death in Christianity for any sin except murder and that’s done by due process by your legal system. But in Islam Sharia law is the law. In America you can practice what ever dogma you want to as long it doesn’t conflict with local, state and federal law. Am I wrong here.

Azarkhan said:
She didn’t get excited.

Azar, I was just teasing BFD.

Liberty_Hound said:
I know there is a lot of common beliefs and differences in most of the christian dogma but why is ok to be critical of Christianity in any form and not ok to do the some to Islam / Muslims in this PC world. I know Christianity had it’s dark days years ago but I just don’t get this Islam. I mean stoning, the raping of women if they’re found alone with a man not her relative and she goes to jail, sharia law in general, the general treatment of women, death to men and women who have sex outside of marriage, can’t convert to a difference religion etc. etc. It just seems like a different form of slavery to me. Most Christian religion promote choice in your actions and leave the punishment and judgment to God. There is no punishment of death in Christianity for any sin except murder and that’s done by due process by your legal system. But in Islam Sharia law is the law. In America you can practice what ever dogma you want to as long it doesn’t conflict with local, state and federal law. Am I wrong here.

All the things your quoting are found in the Old Testament…don’t pretend like the same flaws don’t exist in both religions.

Come one people! How many Christians/Jews actually practice what is preached in Leviticus….people like to pretend it doesn’t exist or something…

“And The Lord [see Rock Of Ages] said to Moses … He who blasphemes the Name of The Lord shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.” (Leviticus 24:13,16 RSV)

“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods … You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from The Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.” (Deuteronomy 13:6,10 RSV)

“While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day … And The Lord said to Moses, “The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” (Numbers 15:32,35 RSV)

This is NOT worth reading!

From what I’ve researched, both Mormonism and liberation theology are perversions of the gospel. But Mormonism isn’t Marxism in a religious disguise. Liberation theology is.

RacePIMP Extraordinaire Sharpton’s rally (2000) calls for violence against whites

http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=31408

dlauf87 said:
From what I’ve researched, both Mormonism and liberation theology are perversions of the gospel. But Mormonism isn’t Marxism in a religious disguise. Liberation theology is.

So you prefer the perversion of Mormonism? Liberation Theology is about working to help the poor as Jesus instructed. Black Liberation Theology came about in the 60s and focused on the the inequity between the the black community and them white community. {which was not imagined} Historically much of white Christianity in this country supported slavery and then worked against equal rights and opportunity for African Americans. It’s not hard to see that as being in violation of what Jesus taught. The idea is that Jesus stressed reaching out to the poor and those in need, and if you weren’t doing that and working toward that as a society , then you weren’t really following the gospel. It doesn’t seem that perverted to me. All the Mormon’s I know are nice people but they do have some unusual beliefs.

Neither the Pope nor Beck said Black Liberation Theology was DEMONIC. The quote states that “Wherever POLITICS tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes, NOT divine, but demonic.”

Politics is a metaphor for GOVERNMENT, not Black Liberation Theology–a pseudo-religion based in Marxism. MY personal belief is that Marxism is evil, but that’s just me–not Beck. There is not ONE single place in the Holy Bible that says “Government” should remove by force (tax) the possessions (money) of one individual in order to redistribute it to that “Government’s” constituents. No one can save you from eternal damnation just because you are in the right group (collective) that had a bunch of stuff taken from them not by THEIR choice by by the heavy and forceful hand of “Government”.

We are saved by GRACE, through FAITH. It is the free gift of God just for the asking and not of works lest anyone should boast (about all the stuff they did – which only makes them look good, not God). The boasting is their reward, not heaven. You cannot work your way into heaven. Helping those in need is a compulsion if you are a Christian. Love of God and your fellow man compels me.

MichelleF said:
Mormons have been persecuted since the beginning, we can take it.

More than African Americans? LDS didn’t allow blacks in the priesthood until the late 70s right?

Azarkhan said:
“Aside from the Pope’s questionable authority as an arbiter of evil,” TC

The Pope is not a questionable authority when it comes to liberation theology, which was a mixture of Marxism and Catholicism promoted by certain Latin American priests and bishops, and in particular, the Jesuit order.

Liberation Theology was/is about doing more to help the poor in real world terms because that is seen as actually doing what Jesus taught his followers to do. The Pope has an opinion but since I don’t think he’s infallible, that’s all it is. It’s just bizarre for a Mormon to be quoting the Pope when criticizing someone’s faith.
Here’s an article by one of those Jesuit’s presenting his view on Liberation Theology
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-james-martin-sj/glenn-beck-vs-christ-the-_b_698359.html

Daniel Hough said:
If you want to see the America that Beck is urging to take back the country by embracing christianity, you need only read his followers’ comments on this site http://wp.me/pNmlT-mI which is critical of Beck. They are completely blind to facts presented to them if they are contrary to their beliefs. It is scary to see the hold he has over them despite him offering so little substance or truth. Worse, many are Tea Partiers who are supposed to worship the Constitution, yet they have no problem with Beck preaching religion as a prerequisite for governing while the Founding Fathers tried to establish a permanent separation of church and state.

Beck had a show on Saturday afternoon with David Barton of Wallbuilders. It appears his “take America back for God will focus primarily on Christianity. Not long ago he was telling his viewers that if their church taught social justice they should leave the church, which brought about a conflict with Jim Wallis , Christian author and founder of Sojourners. If Beck leans toward taking America back for Christianity {of a limited variety} he’s limiting his audience , but he can still get richer.

Azarkhan said:
No, I didn’t mean that at all. BTW, BFD, it’s easy to catch a lie with the internet. You would be wise to remember that in the future:

But Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), offered the biggest figure. Shortly after the event, the Washington Post reports, she said, “We’re not going to let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here today – because we were witnesses.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/29/2010-08-29_crowd_estimates_at_glenn_becks_restore_america_rally_depend_dramatically_on_who_.html#ixzz0yE1vHl9f

I think the point is, that when it comes to giving incorrect numbers , Bachman topped everyone with her gross exaggeration.

I’m an agnostic and a huge fan of Glenn Beck, I may not agree with that the fact that we answer to a specific higher power, but I agree with the strucutres and the values of all religions and I’m a big fan of the black robe regiment idea.

Everyone has their own idea of what perfection and bliss is. It is a different color, a different shape — it does different things — but importantly to me, they all produce the same result. They provide people with a structure and set of principles and morals they can mold themselves around.

I wish religion would just be called religion.

It is hard to ignore the fact our country was built by and our government was created and the foundation was laid by people that subscribed to some sort of faith. This was the beauty of our freedom of religion. But then again, it is the double edged sword when it comes to politics.

Sadly in america, faith-baiting is rampant. That is the true message. It needs to stop. We are killing ourselves.

Is it me or is Olby really jealous of Glenn? If he (Beck) is not really an important character or even a smart one, why wouldn’t he just ignore Beck… Like Beck is doing to him. Just a thought!

The Real Royal King said:
I know volumes more about Mormonism than you have ever known and will ever know, Michelle-in-Utah. Volumes more. As a matter of fact, I think you know virtually nothing about it. You once argued that the name of the cult established that it was Christian. That is about the extent of what you know, Michelle.

Oh, really Mr. Amoral Phony Baloney Internet Political Operative…

How about we nail Martin Luther’s 95 theses to YOUR door.

Yea… I can see why it’s relevant to compare and discuss the religion of the POTUS to a talk show host…

TheNEIL said:
I’m an agnostic and a huge fan of Glenn Beck,

Sorry Neil, you are a Mormon.

valkyrie101 said:
Sorry Neil, you are a Mormon.

Not a full fledged Mormon, your afterlife is still in doubt, but a fellow traveler with the Mormons.

Beck’s slide into spiritual Truth is wise for someone who plays loose and fast with the truth about observable reality and recorded history. I have not critiqued his religion. In fact I’ve defended Beck’s faith on his own website when someone there was calling Mormonism a “cult.”

I am pondering a post about God, god, atheism and skepticism; but it wouldn’t be critical of Beck’s God. I think addressing this can be a slippery slope toward intolerance, finger pointing and empty but passionate accusations on both sides of the faith issue. Again, perfectly reasonable that Beck would move in this direction. One has to wonder how long Fox will let him run a religious show on what pretends to be a “news” channel.

You clowns need not worry about Muslims. Wait’ll you get a loada Mormons!

TheNEIL says: “I’m an agnostic and a huge fan of Glenn Beck…Sadly in america, faith-baiting is rampant. That is the true message. It needs to stop. We are killing ourselves.”

THE false narratives perpetuated by Beck and others on Fox have nothing to do with the deep divisions in this country, right Neil?

This is my first time reading one of Tommy Christopher’s column, and I must say I am most impressed. He reasonably points out the folly of both Glenn Beck’s rally and the equal folly presented by some of Beck’s critics, while himself sidestepping the requisite hyperbole that others seem to lather themselves in. The first sentence of the second paragraph is simply brilliant. He completely captures the sense of the theatre of the absurd that always follows religious debate.

I find Christopher to be thoughtful, insightful, and a gifted writer. I plan to make his column regular reading from now on.

Well done sir.

Jack

Kudos to Beck: He has unleashed an orgy of religious righteousness from a hundred quarters, including Islam, yet neglecting Hindoos and Zen Buddhists., et al…. Isn’t it possible, even convincing, that – all faiths claiming a monopoly on the subject- could be…..WRONG?

Glenn Beck’s theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

Those who would denigrate Glenn Beck’s religion, usually have an ulterior motive. 11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.

The Mormons aren’t to fond of Beck-the-bonehead either. Here is an excerpt from a great article on Beck-t-b by Robert Reese, a Mormon author and a really smart man.

“The “Real” Glenn Beck
Ever since learning that Glenn Beck had joined the Mormon Church, I’ve been trying to understand who he is, what he does, and how his conversion to Mormonism has influenced him personally and professionally. Beck is an enigma, a chameleon, a shape-shifter, continually reinventing himself. He has gone from “zoo radio”cut-up, to stand-up comedian, to political commentator/entertainer, to Fox News firebrand, to cheerleader of a populist anti-government movement, to a modern-day Cassandra prophesying doom and destruction for a nation allegedly in the thrall of progressivism. A Latter-day Saint friend of mine calls him “a cross between a professional wrestler and a televangelist,” and some critics see him as the Barnum and Bailey of right-wing broadcast media. Conservative commentator Mark Levin remarked recently, “I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he. It’s incoherent. One day it’s populist, the next it’s libertarian bordering on anarchy, next it’s conservative but not really.”3 Senator Robert Byrd’s recent characterization of certain Republican politicians’ “rantings” as “barkings from the nether regions of Glennbeckistan”4 suggests the extent to which Beck’s notoriety has become a part of popular culture.”

“Beck has constructed a universe where the U.S. is under siege by progressives plotting to transform the nation into a socialist or—worse—communist or fascist state. Using innuendo, chop logic, guilt by association, conspiracy theories, progressive and liberal bogeymen, and what seems a carefully cultivated image of righteous indignation, Beck presents himself as today’s Paul Revere, warning the countryside that the enemy is at the gate (or, in Beck’s words, actually “in the house”).

In his broadcasts, Beck uses all the tools of a showman propagandist: he makes absurd comparisons, uses false analogies, tells whopping “stretchers” (Huckleberry Finn’s term for statements with little regard for fact or truth), weeps on cue (YouTube footage shows him swiping Mentholatum under his eyes to induce tears), and lapses into sophomoric lampooning, mocking, ridicule, sarcasm, taunting, and joking. At times, his TV show resembles a circus side show. Alex Koppelman observes, “He laughs and cries; he pouts and giggles; he makes funny faces and grins like a cartoon character; he makes earnest faces yet insists he is a clown; he cavorts like a victim of St. Vitus’s Dance. His means of communicating are, in other words, so wide-ranging as to suggest derangement as much as versatility.”5″

If you’d like to read the rest of what Mr Rees has to say about Beck-t-b you can see both parts of the article:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/08/mormon-perspective-on-glenn-beck-rough.html

Beck is trying to be a uniter. He specifically avoided doctrinal distinctions and called all Christians to join him. Was it for the Mormons? He would say no. Is he a “prophet” in his own right? That is the idea. I admire him for going for that, since even Jefferson thought it was a hopeless cause. Peace between all Christian factions is tough to achieve.

Beck, would be a good preacher ! He can preach hate, fear and lie to scare you ! Praise Beck, praise hate, praise the tea baggers!!!

valkyrie101 said:
Beck is trying to be a uniter. He specifically avoided doctrinal distinctions and called all Christians to join him. Was it for the Mormons? He would say no. Is he a “prophet” in his own right? That is the idea. I admire him for going for that, since even Jefferson thought it was a hopeless cause. Peace between all Christian factions is tough to achieve.

At least he says he is trying to unite different religions. Then the day after he has his big meeting and all the preachers on stage he calls the Presidents religion a perversion of the gospel. It seems every religion is okay, except the presidents. That;s some unity.

Romney Biddulph said:
Glenn Beck’s theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

Those who would denigrate Glenn Beck’s religion, usually have an ulterior motive. 11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.

Nobody here is denigrating Mormonism. What’s being pointed out is Beck contradicting himself by celebrating religious unity one day and then denigrating the presidents religion the very next day. Not long ago he advised Christians to leave their churches if they used code words like social or economic justice. Then he celebrates Martin Luther King and civil rights. One day he trumpets certain noble principles. The next day he violates them.

Glenn Beck is the personal front man for stupidity on a national scale in The United States of America. He is and always was a complete idiot. His personal form of patriotism is false and you’d have to be a brainless, half educated, red necked idiot to believe anything this fool says. But that pretty well describes the tea party and the GOP. This closet homosexual never went to college and never knew anything about World History, American History, World Religions or the US Constitution. He is simply a mocking bird for the twisted views of the John Birch Society and people need to wake up to the fact that Glenn Beck is just another uneducated charlatan who does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity. He is definitely not a conservative. In short, he is just another opinion pusher which is why he blends in so well with the bigots on Fox News Network. This self important racist climbed in bed with Satan a very long time ago as lies, half truths, fear and hate are his only products that he has for sale and he is making big money off of impressionable fools who love being told what to think. Glenn Beck is simply a product of mormon cult theology that he mixes with cherry picked parts of Catholicism, New Age Religions and his personal core as a washed up, dry alcoholic. This makes Glenn Beck one very screwed up moron who sold his soul to the lowest common denominator of personal stupidity. And for the record…the religion of Islam has far more in common with Christianity than the mormon cult. Beck consistently demonstrates all the unstable behaviors of a dry alcoholic which include grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance, impulsivity, ADD, indecisiveness and blindness to truth. In short, Beck, Limbaugh, O Reilly, Hannity, Palin, O Donnell, Coulter and others like them who think they are conservative are all guilty of perverting truth, history, facts, religion and the US Constitution when they open their big mouths. They are all idiots who live in and speak to some alternate universe of stupid red necks that feed off of fear & hate mongering and love being fed a steady dose of extreme right wing lies. It is a breath of fresh air to finally see studies proving that Fox news viewers really are the most gullible and misinformed people on the planet.