Well, that’s an American Southern Christian for ya.

TOLLBOOTH !

While on the other hand , Dems champion the cop killers , applaud the child predators , celebrate the rapists and murderers .

Dems claim the death penalty is not a deterrent .
Well , it damn sure has deterred the executed criminal .
They won’t do it again .

Besides , the criminal class is the Democrat base and we all know it .

The media loves and applauds the right and “choice” of women to murder almost 1 million innocent babies every year in the United States but the media gasps when people applaud Rick Perry for carrying out his duty of getting rid of the worst of the worst. 

Too bad Brian Williams and most liberals aren’t shocked and saddened by all the killing of the unborn.  Instead, they morn for convicted murders, rapists etc.  

Those Teapublicans do so love people dying. Whether they actually committed a crime or not ….

CANARD WARNING!

Robert is a longtime ACLU member , who is more interested in the criminal getting a fine last meal .

Maybe the victims didn’t want to have their throat cut that day , didn’t want to be raped , preferred not to have a shotgun blow their heads off . Maybe they wanted to live their lives , or at least say goodbye .

Robert , you are a no good filthy old son of a bitch .

That’s acceptable speech now .

“Twitter commenters saw this moment the very same moment as hypocritical,
not consistency as has been put forth by conservattive commentators.”

You had about 12 hours to write this. Do you even have an editor, or does nobody here care anymore?

Isn’t Capital Punishment really just a PC way to say “we execute people”?

Williams didn’t realize his gotcha question was going to come back and bite his liberal backside!!

Libs think that since they are against capital punishment that must mean the vast majority are against it, silly libs never seem to understand that they are a small minority and this Country is center right!!

Perry’s response is popular with independents as much as neocons.  Most people believe that certain crimes, such as serial killers, child murderers and police killers forfeit their right to live.  

In Cheshire, CT, two parolees raped a woman, her teenage daughters and killed one daughter, then set the house on fire.  This began as a home burglary. Only the father (bound separately in a chair in the basement) escaped dying in the fire, barely but by the time he got back, it was too late. The police arrived at the fire, but since the family was tied up and gasoline poured on the mother and children, no one except the father survived. The youngest daughter was raped as well (10 yrs old). before being tortured then dying by fire.  You have to be very liberal to not agree that the death penalty is appropriate in a case like this.  Thus, the applause in the room, and the reaction on twitter.   

Creating an nonfactual strawman and then arguing it shows ones intelligence…or lack of!

I don’t think those were parolees. I think they escaped.

My sincere apologies to anyone who is from the South and is a Christian and who feels I’ve characterized them unfairly.

This is an article about an inmate in Texas who was executed under Governor Perry’s Tenure and who might have been innocent.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

I don’t get what he was even trying to say there, do you? 

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/connecticut_doctor_whose_family_eWPz3N9foeiSbXiWwlizKJ
“Semi-conscious from blood loss, and tied tight to a support pole in his basement, Petit very nearly joined his wife, Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 48, and his daughters, Hayley, 17 and Michaela, 11, in their fiery death.”

” The mom was raped, strangled, and burned beyond recognizing. The girls would die of smoke inhalation. The younger one, who too had been raped, was found still tied to her bed in her pajamas.”

“But something in the voice Petit heard upstairs — the intruder’s tone as he said “Don’t worry,” the stress and urgency in that voice — jolted him awake, the doctor told jurors in chilling testimony in New Haven Superior Court against capital murder defendant Steven Hayes.”

“The 47-year-old crack addict and veteran burglar is fighting to avoid the death penalty.Prosecutors say Hayes is the one who forced Petit’s wife to the bank, then returned her home to rape and strangle her on the living room floor.”Things got out of hand,” prosecutors say Hayes explained to cops after he and his alleged accomplice were caught speeding away from the burning home in the Petit family SUV — Hayes wearing Hayley’s woolen hat on his head.”

“Komisarjevsky, 29, a fellow burglar who knew Hayes from a prison halfway house, and who is expected to stand trial next year, is accused of raping the younger daughter in her bed.”

“From his basement prison, Petit knew nothing of these horrors. He only knew, having heard that voice, that he must summon help, he told jurors.Still bound at the ankles, Petit wrenched himself free of his blood-drenched ropes and rose, crawling, out of a pool of his own blood. Escaping through a side door — his wife and daughters tied up and doomed upstairs in the living room and bedrooms — he would literally roll his body through two backyards to summon help.”

“Hospital photos show his head was such a disfigured mass of blood and swollen flesh, it’s no wonder his longtime next door neighbor didn’t know who he was. Petit told jurors the neighbor greeting him with, “Can I help you, sir?”

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/connecticut_doctor_whose_family_eWPz3N9foeiSbXiWwlizKJ#ixzz1XNCVYlzy

No, parolees.  Met in a halfway house.   Anyone who is against the death penalty should read the details.   This case is the reason for the death penalty.

Here’s some details http://www.courant.com/community/cheshire/cheshire-home-invasion/hc-web-cheshire-home-invasion-0825-20110824,0,7787141.story

America, you’re morally bankrupt.

then read the deails of the cheshire murdrers, 
http://www.courant.com/community/cheshire/cheshire-home-invasion/hc-web-cheshire-home-invasion-0825-20110824,0,7787141.story

Then explain why the death penalty should NOT be the result of their crime.   

People make the choice to commit capital offenses in a state that carries out capital punishment. Pro-choice people should support their right… 

300 abortions were performed during the debate. Why are some people so upset about 234 death sentences? 234 seems piddly when compared to the 1.5M lives aborted annually in the US.

“Have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent?”

Williams was very sanctimonious last night. And that politico guy was terrible. They came across very biased, and the after show? Nice lineup. HA. 

“Have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent?”

No, douchebag, I lose sleep over the fact that there are murderers and rapist that may target my family. 

Could you name a morally wealthy country?

I laughed at the post-show lineup on MSNBC  as well.  Before turning the channel, of course.  NBC news does have real journalists, yet they allowed the clowns into the post-debate coverage.  

The questions were both lengthy and lame.  The candidates themselves steered the conversation to real topics, and to the moderators credit, they did follow the lead.  Best compliment I can give the moderators.

Not sure, but I’m certain ‘herp-a-derp’ would be somewhere in the translation.

I wonder if any of those aborted children were innocent?  Lemming heads exploding in 3…2…1

You mean like the unborn?  What a joke.

Sorta like “pro-choice”?

Really? Great detterent – 230 put to death, including kids, and the mentally disabled. Pro life my ass.

They are, you idiot.  Do you realize we are the ONLY WESTERN country with the death penalty? Guess you like having your country compared to Hamas, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc.  U really think it’s ok that  Perry has executed mentally challenged and kids?  Great record to be real proud of. Seems pro life only pertains to the unborn. Once you’re here, you;re on your own.  Hypocrisy rules with the Repugs.

Wow, how gross.

You can support the death penalty all you like, but cheering excitedly about being #1 in all time executions is pretty twisted. I thought the death penalty was supposed to deter crime? Why then does Texas seem to have a never-ending line of people to kill? And why is executing something to cheer about? Think about what people had to do to get on death row. So Rick Perry, are you proud your state is #1 in capital offenses?

I don’t even need to get into the fact the justice system here is far from perfect or that this is the supposed party of Jesus.

You’re a freaking idiot if you’re trying to justify the applause in the room.  And I do nOT approve of the death penalty even in the case above. Wil it bring that beautiful family back? No! Why give the killer the easy way out. And perry himself has proven it’s not a deterrent’ if it were, there sure has hell wouldn’t have been over 220 executions.   

And putting them to death will bring them back? Typical bagger – trying to justify killing, even of the innocent.

Why is it that nearly every country in Europe or South America and most of the world has abolished execution. In fact, Iran, China, North Korea and the US are the only countries that actively practice execution. It’s estimated that 5-10% of those executed in the US are innocent and the figure is probably much higher in Iran and China. Certainly executions have never been proven to be a deterrent to criminality.  It doesn’t seem to bother the type of goofballs who applauded Rick Perry’s excellent record as an executioner even knowing that some are innocent. The sanctity of life and the teachings of Jesus mean nothing to a nation of hypocrites who operate more on vengence than love or compassion. Rehabilitation and redemption are meaningless concepts to simple minded people who allow themselves to be manipulated by morons like Perry. Also, to equate abortion to execution is, as usual, a rationale for the weak and simple minded folk who vote for these rightwing idiots. No one is ‘for’ abortion, and aborting a 6 week old fetus is not quite the same as injecting an adult with poison. If rightwing “Christian’ people weren’t so repressed and freaked out by sex, the abortion rate would be much lower. 

Hypocrisy?  You rail against capital punishment (I am not a supporter) but you don’t care about the aborted life.  That’s hypocrisy, look it up. How about that?  Made a point and I didn’t call you an idiot.

I am pro-death penalty AND pro-abortion. I don’t have any hypocrisy in my stance… unlike most.

I actually don’t have a problem with the death penalty, as long as the suspect in question received his full and fair trial. My problem is the length of time it takes to actually execute the person, once found guilty. While they’re sitting on death row, tax-payers are paying for their care, which apparently can go into the millions. I think once you’ve taken someone’s life, you should be denied your human rights, just receive the most basic of food, water and necessities, just natural lighting in your cage, no entertainment…whatever can keep costs down. Why should someone sentenced to be executed receive better treatment than the unfortunate homeless on the street? What a waste of resources.

And here is the last death penalty celebrity the left held up as innocent. Even got on the cover of time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Keith_Coleman

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2009/09/roger-keith-coleman/24478/

not a supporter of the death penalty, so i will sit this one out

pro INNOCENT life you dipshit…

The name of Cameron Todd Willingham has apparently not occurred to the Republican faithful.  It will soon beome known to the American people, though

because you are an idiot…

human life has higher depreciation than a new Ford—PLEASE LETS HAVE 40 MILLION NEW BABIES–CHILDREN OF GOD–GODS CHILDREN—WE LOVE THEM—WE LOVE TO KILL THEM!
what a bunch of morons~
make young mothers have babies of rapists so they can spend the rest of their life in horror on welfare and so she can watch that child go to prison and IF WE ARE LUCKY–BE EXECUTED–PRAISE JESUS..
IN JESUS NAME~
omg

you should look up the definition of punishment. its almost as brutal as reading the tripe you post here.

its called capital punishment not capital deterrent…

ove 85% of all women who abort babies are Christian–not muslim and few Jews..

so–keep your creepy christian men off of young girls or tell you congress to give us 1 trillion more dollars a year to take care of these kids..
unless you are full of crap of course—
oh ya-i forgot you are conservative–you only think with 1/2 you brain–never think about consequences..
clowns~

WHAT???

I’m PRO-ABORTION MORON!!! Can’t you read?

actually we ‘liberals’ only support a women’s choice to  make this horrendous ‘choice’ so she does not have to stick a coat hanger into her body–when her good christian father rapes her…

so again–we are trying to save CONSERVATIVE’S from themselves–as usual~

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  Typical lemming.  Killing is OK when I say it is. Just like Libya, bombing brown people for oil is OK because barry’s doing it.  You people are pathetic.   Thanks for not disappointing. 

You left out the fact that over 85% of all women who abort babies do it out of convenience. 

Now, now. Don’t you believe in the separation if church and state that liberals love to whine about?

and where is that stat? oh ya–you are a conservative–you are talking out of your butt..
if you think any woman has an abortion without severe emotional impact–you are really clueless.
if by convienence you mean not wanting to raise a rapists baby? you could be correct.

but again-when i hear conseratives allow 1 trillion new dollars ever year to take care of these 40-50 millon new babies–i may believe they really care about life..
other wise–just more bs
right?

Too much hate and hypocrisy clouding that lemmings eyes.

Dexter for President.

“Might have” been guilty as well.

It’s hilarious what these lemmings have backed themselves into. Consequences?  Can’t wait till you lemmings can make the call on grandma. ”sorry granny, you cost to much.  Living to be old has consequences”…… It’s OK to kill to save money, but not when it comes to convicted killers that admit to their crimes. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong.

Canards all around……

It never happened that an innocent human being was murdered, so let´s speed up things a little.

Damn good answer Perry…

I agree with Perry on this one. I was more interested in their take on immigration reform. Despite the fact that I can’t support Bachmann, she made an excellent point about tax dollars being used to support immigrants without jobs, when she referred to the 50s and 60s. I immigrated to the US in 1962 from Eastern Europe. My Aunt and Uncle had to sponsor us, fill out a financial statement proving that they could support us, should my parents were not able to find employment, otherwise face deportation, so we would not be a burden on the government. I believe it is still the case. I’m just wondering if it’s being enforced.  

doesnt look to me like its being enforced.

you cant believe what you said.  abortion is murder.  period. 

or be let out of jail to target other innocent people.  i lose sleep over that, too.

Now that was a good one.  ROTFLMAO!

no it wont bring them back.  but they wont be around to kill anyone else.

you sound as if you believe all murderers/rapists etc. are mentally challenged or kids.  please.  get out of the vacuum. 

you are sick.  get some help.

Only the crazy right wing nutjobs can compare abortions to the death penalty.The one has nothing to do with the other. That should be clear for anyone with a brain. No woman will go on stage and take pride in the fact she had an abortion while Perry doesn´t blink an eye at the possibly of killing innocent people. Which he very likely did of course. But as long as he prays for rain, wants to do away with SS and has no problem with killing people he just needs to point the Bible. Good moral guy he is & approved by the unchristian Christians in this country. 

Brian William embarrassed himself by asking Perry the question about how he sleeps. More ignornat liberal gotch question that backfired big time.

I remember this horrific crime.

The DP would be to good in this case. I say put them to death, resuscitate, torture, then put to death again. Keep doing this until you can’t resuscitate any longer.

so you are saying, enforcing the death penalty is possibly killing an innocent and abortion is killing a heinous criminal that deserves it? 

I watched this trial from beginning to end.  In this case I was glad he got the death penalty.   There was absolutely NO doubt he was guilty.  In many cases the facts are far from being this clear.  I am usually against the death penality because sometimes the evidence is not this good.

I thought someone said that putting one innocent person to death is worse then letting the guilty go.  In the case of Casey Anothany had she been found guilty I could have never put her to death.  So I guess I think it needs to be on a case to case basis. 

That is NOT true.  Give me some evidence of that.

Please name me some “real journalists”.

Life in prison with NO parole works as well.

And now we will never know.

300 abortions in the US?  Just asking!

bang bang bang!

Sacco and Vanzetti

clap clap clap

(best to bring a box lunch)

did killing bin laden hurt your vag too?

So kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out?

You’re an idiot…..  Your remarks are just to rediculous to even begin to address…  Right wingers are freaked out by sex?  You’re a Effin idiot!  If you look at the development of a fetus it is only a denier who would argue that 2nd and 3rd term abortions are not murder, somehow you think that if the placenta is still attached that there is not yet a life…  I say Bull Shit…  and BTW rightwingers enjoy sex probably more than you do freak.

The only time you lefties respect the teachings of Jesus Christ is when you can use them to bash conservatives.. otherwise you compare god to some made up space alien, you are weak and lame! Rehabilitation? Go hang out with some of the narco-terrorists south of the border, then talk to me about rehabilitation… there are some people that our society just does not need.

Liberal Garbage.

“TMP”

those are flonfacts

Tell that to Cameron Todd Willingham.  Oh, wait.  You can’t.  He’s dead.

You’ve been over to Media Matters again I see.

LMAO”TMP”

Is’t that what the death penalty is saying?

One should not conflate the support for women’s rights with support for abortion. 

I, for one, am pro-choice and anti-abortion.  So are most liberals.  Considering that it is a common goal amongst all of us to reduce abortions, why not work on that together instead of preventing a raped woman from aborting a fetus that she never planned for? 

The truly tragic irony of this debate is that Planned Parenthood, an organization that spends 97% of its resources providing preventative care and affordable contraceptives, an organization who actively tries to reduce abortion numbers, is under constant conservative attack.

You mean the Obama ordered  assassination of  Bin Laden, right? Bin Laden might have been innocent!

“TMP”

So now you are claiming that abortion is murder.  You’re coming around.

“TMP”

Who speaks for those who can’t speak for themselves?

“TMP”

Capital punishment is not punishment.  Punishment, by definition, is used to prevent someone from doing an undesired action again.  You are supposed to learn from it.  You can’t learn anything if you’re dead.

It’s no deterrent, either. 

Execution is cold blooded retribution and nothing more.

Considering that most murders are done without pre-meditiation and under an emotional extreme, they probably were not going to kill another person anyway.

I don’t think it back fired at all. 

I would want an elected official to be human enough to realize that he, and the justice system in Texas, are capable of mistakes.  He just implied that he does not.

He essentially implied that he does not think that he’s made a mistake.

It would be only human to lose sleep while considering whether or not you signed off on the death of a potentially innocent individual.  The Innocence Project estimates anywhere from 1% to 10% of death row inmates are actually innocent.  Considering that Perry’s ‘score’ is over 200, he should have lost a lot of sleep.

He should have especially lost sleep over the case of Cameron Todd Willingham:  http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

Over 100 death row inmates have been exonerated in the past 3 decades.  http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Santa Clara University,  Markkula Center for Applied Ethics, May 7, 2001.  Not much different than now.
 
DP: Within the US, which of the states tend to execute the most people?
 
EK: Texas is really the leader, so it gives you some idea of where our leadership, now nationally, will be with the federal death penalty. Texas has a death row of only 448 individuals, which is smaller than that of California, but since 1976 has executed 246 men, women, and children. And the numbers only really speak to part of the story in Texas. Not only do they execute more people, but also their standard and their system of justice are at a level that very few states would tolerate. Certainly it is surprising that the courts tolerate it.
 
Texas is the place that gives us the stories that while we laugh about them, to the individuals involved they are really quite appalling: the lawyer sleeping through the trial; an individual who, when DNA testing was done, the DNA did not match him, so they decided someone else must have been involved with him, and they wouldn’t give him a new trial based on the DNA evidence. It is a system of justice where the lawyers are underpaid, overworked, generally incompetent, and yet, the machinery of death continues to kill person after person.
 
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/capitaltext.html

300 in 2 hours in the US.

Yeah, cuz there’s nothing more convenient than having an abortion. (eye roll)

Is that really what passes for intelligence on your planet?

I just think it’s the depth of irony that Rick Perry distrusts government on nearly every front… except when it comes to deciding whether an accused and convicted person should be given the death sentence. 

One of the boys called The West Memphis Three was on death row. He and his fellow wrongly convicted young men are now free. Perry would have let them rot and let the one die… without giving it a second thought.

And he’d have received applause for it from his GOP base. And boy is “base” the right word.

IMHO, the death penalty is more humane than life in prison w/o parole.  It is certainly more expensive.  However, if Governor Perry is following the law, he is doing what he was hired to do, and has no reason to feel remorse.

Most countries in the world govern against the will of the people.Like Democrats do.If not for that,most countries would have the DP.People keep throwin up estimates about innocent people being executed,yet can’t provide one case beyond doubt.Every case,even the case of the wife beating,child abusing, thug who the left claims was innocent.Remember Roger Coleman?He was cause celeb for the left.He was innocent to.Until DNA said otherwise and the leftwing media cried.I know democrats oppose the DP because it kills Democrat voters,but geezzzzz.{most studies show 80%-90% of people in prison would vote Democrat if they could vote.”Rehabilitation and redemption “Yeah,lets talk about that.Lets start with Kenneth McDuff .

Rick Perry squashed the investigation into the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham, most likely an innocent man. The board that was to investigate his conviction was disbanded by Perry himself, because he knew an innocent man had been executed. But Republicans love murder, so yeah it’s definitely red meat to them. One reason why even though I am not much of an Obama supporter and think he isn’t much of a President I won’t hesitate to vote for him whomever the Republican nominee is. The bloodthirsty applause from the Republican crowd sealed the deal for me last night

It made me feel uneasy hearing those people applauding. There is something wrong with this picture but I can’t yet put my finger on it and really still feel uneasy about the state executing people,when one of those people could be innocent. I was raised with Christan values in a neighborhood of all kinds of people and religions. Execution was not performed in my state, and then all of a sudden it became political when the christian right got into politics promoting execution as a determent to crime. It then became a political weapon used by the right to run against Democrat Christians. A true christian would never advocate public execution, as Jesus was executed…………….They become the Romans.

* On average, women give at least 3 reasons for choosing abortion: 3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities; about 3/4 say they cannot afford a child; and 1/2 say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner (AGI).
negative impact on the mother’s life
financial instability
relationship problems /unwillingness to be a single motherhttp://womensissues.about.com/od/reproductiverights/a/AbortionReasons.htmhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090112074526AAxPLnG

The death penalty has not stopped the crime in this country, as the war on drugs has been a total disaster and economic failure. What it has created is the jails are full to the point that they are overflowing and now the capitalists want to make money off of it. They have no shame when there is money involved, and don’t have a problem taking your taxes either to enrich themselves. That’s mighty to christian of them………..

Yes, I’m a bagger, you see right through my soul. Why do so many simpletons try to take one stance of a person and generalize everything else they may believe in?

Lazy thinkers.

Yes, I’m a bagger, you see right through my soul. Why do so many simpletons try to take one stance of a person and generalize everything else they may believe in?

Lazy thinkers.

It’s called pro-choice.

They’re out? I guess the system worked in this instance then. 

Fact: Vote Perry 2012!!!!!

Certainly more convenient  then raising a child.  See above, as written by a lemming.  We save millions of dollars.  

Ganymede – you make this too easy.

—————
Why is it that nearly every country in Europe or South America and most
of the world has abolished execution. In fact, Iran, China, North
Korea and the US are the only countries that actively practice
execution.

Reality: States are the only entities executing guilty murderers in the US, and the states doing that are few and far between. FAR MORE states either don’t or in essence don’t (on the books, but not used).

—————
It’s estimated that 5-10% of those executed in the US are
innocent and the figure is probably much higher in Iran and China.

Reality: Estimated, probably – those sound like rock solid facts, eh?

—————
Certainly executions have never been proven to be a deterrent to
criminality. 

Reality: I can agree with that. They DO prove to deter additional murders by murders. Prison murders and attempted murders are common among murderers in prison.

—————
It doesn’t seem to bother the type of goofballs who
applauded Rick Perry’s excellent record as an executioner even knowing
that some are innocent.

Reailty: It’s only in your slanted observation that his supporters “know” about innocent executions. You assume that, so that doesn’t count.

—————
The sanctity of life and the teachings of Jesus
mean nothing to a nation of hypocrites who operate more on vengence than
love or compassion.

Reality: You haven’t a clue on the teachings of Jesus if you think he was only about love and compassion. Granted, I think we could focus more as a nation on the love and compassion aspects of christianity, but its laughable to suggest that Jesus, God, etc….had nothing to do with social, righteous vengeance and/or justice.

—————
Rehabilitation and redemption are meaningless
concepts to simple minded people who allow themselves to be manipulated
by morons like Perry.

Reailty: You don’t rehabilitate sociopaths or criminally deviant sexual predators. That’s not a teabagger view, that’s from all those scientists that Perry doesn’t listen to. Also, you can be redeemed and also pay your due punishment, not mutually exclusive.

—————
Also, to equate abortion to execution is, as
usual, a rationale for the weak and simple minded folk who vote for
these rightwing idiots. No one is ‘for’ abortion, and aborting a 6 week
old fetus is not quite the same as injecting an adult with poison.

Reality: Yes, there are MANY people for abortion. Do your homework. Start with a search on eugenics.  Not quite the same? Actually very similar. Both include a life form, within a governing body, which chooses to terminate the lifeform within their jurisdiction.

—————
If
rightwing “Christian’ people weren’t so repressed and freaked out by
sex, the abortion rate would be much lower.

Reality: What? Huh? So, if the people who don’t abort babies liked sex more there would be less abortions? You’ve ended with a very strange, illogical analogy. Huh?

REALITY: I spent way to much time on this.

Correct, if it’s wrong to kill, then it’s wrong. 

Fact: Once you are a product of a major crime your little la la land bubble will disappear.

Fact: Life’s all pink thru your eyes.

Fact: I’m applauding it just reading your spew!

I wish that were true.  Life’s a lot easier if you see in shades of rose or strict black and white.

It’s all varying shades of gray to me.

Actually, its from the Lord’s Prayer.

*fetuses — there, I fixed it for you.

He can’t because over 95% of all statistics you read online are made up.

Not every woman wants a rapist’s baby inside them. Surely even you can understand that.

He didn’t mention the one he murdered in 2004.

You’re right, it is from the Lord’s Prayer but that Prayer was given during the Sermon, was it not?

Thank you for proving my point!

I guess potential murderers and serial killers should NOT move to Texas. Duhhhh!  I would have been upset if Perry said “we let them go or give’em cushion prison sentences” and the crowd then cheered. THATS the time to worry.

Proof that pro-lifers are complete hypocrites.  I oppose abortion myself, but life is life and only a fascist regime will take the life away from an individual, whether that person is guilty or innocent.

no one cares what you think. It’s up to the majority of voters who elect each state’s legislature and governor.  That’s why it’s a democracy.  The majority of us believe that in cases of terrible crimes, the death penalty is justice.

equating an unborn child to a child rapist and murderer is bizarre logic.   

on this, we agree.  Unless it’s beyond a shadow of a doubt (and not just reasonable doubt), no death penalty.   In the Cheshire case, they were leaving the scene and tons of DNA proof.  

I would never abort a child of mine, but if others want to kill their unborn children I say more power to you. I’d rather these mothers do the killing than wait 20 or 30 years and having to pay millions of dollars to execute them.

You know back in the dark ages, they had public executions.  The crowd would gather around and cheer.  They would consider it an honor if they were sprayed with blood.  The Romans (who excelled at executions) CREATED CRUCIFIXION for the sole purpose of having people displayed and mocked.  The Tower of London, up until the 1700′s would display the heads of enemies of the state. Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia still have public stoning and executions.

Do we really want to emulate those???

Is this the party of small government? You can’t tell me to pay taxes or use inoculations or make sure my drugs/food is safe, but you can kill anyone you want and we will cheer. Are you not entertained?

Care to cite this extremely dubious claim?

I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s spreading the tragic story of Willingham.  Thank you.

I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s spreading the tragic story of Willingham.  Thank you.

Republicans are old testament freaks- they love killings and torture as long as it’s not them. Who the hell would cheer for death but repugnants.

and guilty

The American Right has become the ghoulish future present in science fiction films.

They applaud executions and attack social security.

Tell that to the children in Iraq, or Afghanistan…

How do you know?

Yeah, those Founding Fathers sure liked to whine about moving away from a theocracy.  

Do you really think the term “whine” is best used when describing the US Constitution?

Change the subject…because you can’t win talking about the subject.

Change the subject…because you can’t win talking about the subject.

Change the subject…because you can’t win talking about the subject.

  
Think about that horrific home invasion in Connecticut two years ago where a little 7 year old girl was raped and beaten for 5 hrs before her, her older sister and her mother were tied up then burned alive in their own beds.  But for you thug hugging liberals whining about the death penalty, god forbid those monsters who committed that crime get a little pin prick on their arm that puts them to sleep permanently.  

“Those who are merciful to the cruel will be cruel to the merciful”

Pretty much describes every liberal on this forum. 

Change the subject…because you can’t win talking about the subject.

I have a question, if your mom fucked a bucket of shit to have you, are you allowed to vote?  I mean, are you technically human or just a shit baby?  Because your mom likes to stick shit up her pussy, and you’re a by product of that shitfuckign.

Just a question.

More like Bush-voter.

Is it wrong to lie about being in the Navy?

How many innocent people have been released from prison because of DNA, Frank Lee Smith was on death row in Florida when he died of cancer(in prison 15 years) when DNA proved he was innocent and who was the real killer (a resident of a psych facility). It costs by far more to execute a person than incarcerate them and if you think prison is easy I think you try a stint in a prison near to me Pelican Bay I’m sure you will find it not one bit fun.

Quit making $hit up!!

Little PettyGuy is a butthole baby, that explains a lot.

Yeah, that argument makes a lot of sense.

Also, Obama did that, and Bush didn’t do shit.

I disagree with you on both accounts but at least you’re consistent.

Not necessarily. Fact is our system makes a lot of mistakes, and an imperfect system shouldn’t have the power to decide if someone lives or dies.

…wait which ones – the incarcerated or those burned to death in the fires with no fire protection due to his cutting volunteer fire funding 75%?

Yup just like pro-choice & if you support “capital punishment” or “pro-choice”, you support legal murder.

No, but carrying out state sponsored assassinations hurts our credibility in the world.

Right we should just kill someone without giving them a chance to prove their innocence.

So your whole argument for the DP is that it will kill Democrats. Sounds a lot like Stalin who would gladly kill someone for having a different point of view.

Death penalty doesn’t bring that girl back. Nice try though.

True, the very fact they cheered at the fact so many people were executed was sickening. Party of God my ass.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1606/death-penalty.aspx

You’re right, Texas is a horrible state. Low wage work, a health care crisis, poor educational system, drought/fires, & a fascist government.

Right, and abortion is more humane than being born into poverty or having a mental/physical disorder.

Just remember that if you’re caught up in a crime & put to death based on circumstantial evidence. Then you’ll cry like a little baby.

New Testament and “forgiveness” is for pussies

They won’t be back if you put them in prison for life either.

And what about the possibility that an innocent person may have been put to death?

You might be guilty as well. Maybe we should execute you as well.

Republican Jesus likes it when his followers treat the unworthy with disdain.

I 100% support a woman’s right to choose within the 1st trimester and to save a woman’s life later. Only God can say a person is guilty with complete infallibility and for Perry to allude that he is perfect and never makes mistakes will get him a 1 way ticket south hence the fire and drought it’s God’s way of getting him prepared for what is to come.

huh?

move to California…. they’re having a ball going broke.

The subject of the post has nothing to do with abortion, yet, rather than deal with the issue you guys change the subject.

because you can’t win.

when people run around whining about pro-life people supporting death penalty, i think it is topical to point out the hypocrisy of people whining about 234 death sentences when 1.5M abortions take place annually.  How am I not dealing with the subject?

Jesus said that right?

Then can I point out the hypocrisy of being pro-life and pro-war? 
Or the 100:1 civilian deaths in Palestine? 
Or firm push your philosophy has given to the working poor into abject poverty?
Or how many children will go hungry as a result of Bush’s welfare cuts?

This has become a discussion about the pro’s and con’s of the death penalty, which some have turned to abortion and thats all right and good but its missing the point of the matter…

When is it EVER a good idea to GLORIFY killing?  Weather its through war, abortion, murder, or capital punishment, the taking of a human life should never be applauded.  It shouldn’t be for your entertainment and you shouldn’t crave for more.  I am not going to walk into the mine field that is the capital punishment/abortion debate, but I will get in the debate that people shouldn’t cheer for it.  It shouldn’t be a badge of honor.  Politicians shouldn’t line their resumes with the people they have executed.  It doesn’t show leadership, it doesn’t show courage, and it sure as hell doesn’t show intelligence.  It is a call back to the dark ages when warlords and kings would line the streets with the corpses of the “enemy” to show power and instill fear.  Is that what Perry wants?  Octavian Caeser paraded around the bodies of Marc Antony and Cleopatra (crucified btw) after the Roman conquest of Egypt while the crowd pelted them with whatever garbage they had on the streets.  The WHOLE POINT of crucifixion is a slow and painful death for the mob to degrade.  Is that our society now? 

This is also coming from a side who WANTS TO LIMIT GOVERNMENT!!!!  How does that work again? I am not saying I disagree with them, but if government is bad and must be limited, YOU SHOULDN’T BE CHEERING FOR THEM KILLING PEOPLE.

I, I guess only me this time, was greatly disappointed and horrified by that response.

Most likely not.

Fetuses have a heartbeat.  I do not believe in abortion unless rape or incest caused the pregnancy. In that case it can be done the night of or day after. No woman needs that responsibility under those conditions. The death penalty is warrented if they plead guilty. However, now we have DNA to prove most crimes.  It should be used before anyone is put to death.

Yes, but after several years the prison board tends to think their reabilitated and so lets them free to commit the crime again.  The cost of keeping people like that is astranomical; however when released they may be o.k. but chances are…they are not and will hurt someone again.

My thoughts as well. thanks for saying it.

Speaking the harsh truth, once again…

Those people applauding the Death Penalty made me sick, and I’m a staunch pro-life Conservative.
The only case where I believe a human has the right to take another human life is in the act of self-defense. The Death Penalty is NOT self-defense. You’re essentially strapping the murdering, raping, scumbag low-life to a chair and treating him like he treated his victims!!! Come on, Conservatives! Are you really telling me that letting a disgusting murdering sicko rot in jail for the rest of his life while he tries to not drop the soap is less of a punishment than ending his life right then and there?

Women always come up with the excuse that they have a right to make decisions about their own body.  NOT!  That is where the law goes astray. Women do not have that right. There is a father to that pregnancy, there are adoption agencies that want to help childless families, that child has a right to live, it didn’t ask to be a pregnancy.  That pregnancy is no different than harvesting eggs.

And so are you; and you’re a true Conservative, too, unlike the phonies like Rick Perry who always play to the pro-life crowd.

Why do you bother to write on this commentery? Your mouth is full of dirt as well as your mind. Why don’t you just go hide under your rock.

When her good Christian father rapes her???  I’m sorry if you have had an experience that leaves you hating a Christian. Unfortunately, there are many fathers who claim religion of some kind that also force this issue. If women were not man-handled when even going to the doctor after a rape…it would also help. The guilt of it happening to her can also cause problems. If men would treat women with respect instead of looking at them as a way to relieve their sexual tensions…the world would be a much better place.

I write these commentaries because you Right-Wing asslickers have made an entire industry out of being assholes, so I am just adding to the economy.

Sorry, if you rape and murder my child, cut her up and stuff her in your freezer, when you get caught you better believe I want you strapped in that electric chair. Bleeding hearts be damned.

You’d feel differently if you were wrongfully convicted of murder. Don’t have the hubris to think it couldn’t happen to you.

You’d feel differently if you were wrongfully convicted of murder. Don’t have the hubris to think it couldn’t happen to you.

Fetuses, during the stages at which they can be legally aborted, aren’t people. They don’t have rights. They’re clusters dubiously sentient cells with no agency. They cannot be innocent or guilty. Sorry, chump!

HURRR! ANYONE WHO DOESN’T AGREE WITH ME ISN’T A REAL JOURNALIST! BUURRRRRRR FOX NEWS TELLS IT LIKE IT IS!

The victims would probably be pretty upset to see an innocent man executed for crimes he didn’t commit against them, while their actual killer walks free.

And your point is?  If you are a Christian or of some other religion which believes in life after death you believe that a person who repents his or her sins – or, if you prefer, is innocent of any sin – and is executed goes to heaven, which is by definition better than the here and now.  If you do not believe in life after death then the executed person is spared the degradation of a life of incarceration, where your life is controlled by people who work at making it miserable, both some of the authorities and some other inmates.

you mean like righties who walk around in camouflage but never really served?

Bwaaaaaa how about life?, there I fixed it for you.

Who the F*** is pro war?  Except my favorite lemming John Murtha.  But he may have changed his mind since he died.

Who the F*** is pro war?  Except my favorite lemming John Murtha.  But he may have changed his mind since he died.

How many abortions are attributed to rape?  And I don’t have an issue with the instance of rape and incest. 

Uncledope, are you against capital punishment?  And you’re pro-abortion?  There, point made. 

Classic lemming MO, keep on being you! What a tool.LMAO!

Why uncledope did you lie about it? Wouldn’t suprise me. POS like you would never put on a uniform. LMFAO!

Go troll somewhere else, hack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg

I’m sure there are no Dems that do that.  Geez, you lemmings are obtuse.  It’s not that black and white. 

Pro-war fake military folks like you are the backbone of the American Right.  You ask others to fight while you buy Navy caps made in China and talk about having a strong military.

I never lied about being in the Navy.

No shit thug hugger.  Its about giving her justice.

No shit thug hugger.  Its about giving her justice.

Isn’t it ironic that Governor Perry, a devout christian so closely characterizes the officials that sentence to death, Jesus Christ, an innocent man? and the applauding crowd responded uproariously like the mob that said “crucify Him, crucify, Him!” Perhaps it is for us to forgive them, for they know not what they do?

I’m for the death penalty also but it’s nothing I would be cheering about. That’s a pretty sick bunch. Especially when you consider a case like this http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/us/20texas.html

A guy walks into a bar. He orders a drink, and later another. He sees Governor Perry on television.
The man asks, “Who is that guy?”
The bartender tells him, “It’s Governor Rick Perry. He’s running for President of the United States.”
“Why is he so angry?”
“He says we should stop pushes taxes on the people.”
“I agree,” said the man, slightly buzzed, but still lucid. “We should stop pushing Texas on the people.”     

And just what does that meat to the Govenor?   He didnt execute anyone.  The state procecuted someone for murder, was found guilty and was sentenced to die.   Yes the Gov can commute or stop such sentences for cause IF someone brings such a case to his attention which means there is reason to question the case.   If none come,  the Gov stays out of the way of the process. 

Yes Texas executes more.  They first of all have a Death Sentence,  some dont.   Second, they are a very big state, with many miles of border with Mexico, where desperate men and women come to Texas and yes many Kill innocent people and need to pay for that. 

And you can stand on your soap box and say the Govenor allowed an execution of someone that MAY have been innocent all day and all nite.  He never has,  he may have allowed what we all call justice to be carried out.  He didnt try or defend anyone.   The courts did and they came to a conclusion,  The Govenor allowed that process to work. 

Well I tried to read his rant and still dont get it.   So Im guessing maybe I cant reat either.

So you are ok with killing an innocent baby who never got a chance to live a life, just on a thought HEY I dont want to be saddled with this kid,  BUT rail against killing some scumbag that killed, raped, and things you will never ever be able to imagine unless you too are deranged.   Good luck in life and lets hope you never have to go thru your wife or dau being tied up for days,  raped repeatedly,  then slashed up with a knife just to hear them scream.  You have a wonderful sense of good and evil.

I would agree with you on one and only one condition.   They are imprisoned in the middle of the hottest Desert in this country,  living in tents only,   no AC.  NO TV and living on 5 dollars a day.   You want to see people who finally understands what it means to be locked up come to Arizona and visit Joe Arpaio’s tent city prison.   Check out the cost per day per prisoner.  You cant believe how many reformed people come out of that system. 

BUT the TRUTH 

You wish.   The law says you can kill innocent babies.  The law says we can kill murderers.  You want to trade laws here?   Make killing babies a life sentence and we will make killing murderers a life sentence.  When can you get that arranged?

And up to now you were such a nice lil Liberal.   Your true colors finally come out.

1. Perry go involved with the case before and after the execution.  He is culpable.

2. Applauding for executions is a little different than accepting the death penalty as an effective deterrent (which it is not, and has been proved to be useless by SCIENCE).

The hell is wrong with you?

‘In the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.’

There are two questions to be answered here:

Firstly, How can one be sure of someone’s guilt (or innocence)?
The answer is, that there are never any certainties in life. Humans make mistakes and courts are composed of humans. We have to assume that courts are fallible, because they are.
The problem with the death penalty is that once a mistake is made, it cannot be corrected. Death is the end and there is no going back.

Secondly, even one’s guilt is ascertained, is the death penalty a deserving punishment?

Now this issue is arguable. I would argue not.

However, it is a moot point, as we can never be sure of someone’s guilt.

If you love murders, rapists, child killers and abusers, drug pushers so, why don’t you invite them to move into your home and have breakfast, lunch and dinner with your children.  Most of this criminals are obviously guilty and when we know for a fact they committed these crimes, then we don’t want them in our society, walking our streets and we sure don’t want to spend millions/billions of dollars taking care of them in prison. God didn’t put them on earth to kill, rape and torture children.  They need to be taken out of society by merciful lethal injection.  To bad to sad, they shouldn’t get hooked on drugs and go out killing their wives, children or other citizens.

If a woman lets herself have a child out of wedlock, with no job, on drugs, and the father will not help out, that means the child will probably be raised in a horrible lifestyle, with no hope, love and probably will end up in foster homes.  If the mother doesn’t have enough sense to get on birth control, that child should be aborted.  These children grow up to be murders, rapists, drug addicts, etc.  If I were able to tell my mother to abort me because I have no future, I would.  I’ve seen a lot of it going on, most of those children are in prison on death row.  However, we cannot allow them to kill our family members.

Parents should make sure their daughters are put on birth control when they start dating to avoid pregnancies. I am female, but I know that many girls want to get pregnant so that they can snag their boyfriends.  These boyfriends, who are young and don’t have a lot of birth control choices end up being forced to pay child support, and when they don’t, they are jailed, driver license suspended, and made to pay back child support sometime until they are 60 or 65 years old.  The state imposes 6 to12 percent interest on the money and they take the interest and give the girl “mommy support”. The girls carry the child and they should bear the burden and responsibility of raising these children because they carry the child and they choose not to get on birth control (they have many birth control choices).  The guys get screwed on this deal, and the laws should be changed that the issue should be settled between the mother and father without child support.  They each pay 1/2 of the child’s expenses and must live in the same school district so the child or children can live 6 months with one and 6 months with the other.  The courts have no business ruining anyone’s lives and most of these young boys don’t have a chance in hell of having a good life.

Mr. Rick Perry wants to bring capital punishment throughout the United States of America. Are you ready to be fried” Do not vote for Rick Perry.