I don’t understand how a Gay person can be a conservative, other than not wanting to pay more taxes. Same way, some heterosexual males become Republicans when they make it big.

We’re all fed up with Obama’s nonsense. Quit trying to divide us. That’s Obama’s job.

Gay people have the right to be fiscal conservatives and be members of any party they choose and shouldn’t be criticised for it by either the left or the right. It’s just a shame for them that the a sizeable chunk of their party currently feels that stripping them of rights and comparing their relationships to bestiality is a vote winner and is more important than focusing on fiscal issues.

I just hope groups like GOProud can help move the Republican party away from the extreme right over time as having people like Santorum and Michelle Bachmann considered viable candidates for president does no-one any good.

money > equality

How is it that black people are overwhelmingly democrat when democrats instituted jim crow laws back in the day, and today support the welfare industry which is single-handedly destroying the black community? 

You mean the Dixie South that is now overwhelmingly Republican after the passing of the Civil Rights law. Yeah, really Democrats. 

Overwhelmingly Republican and chock full of black folks. It’s a real headscratcher ain’t it?

That of course is predicated on the utter myth that modern Republicans are fiscal conservatives.

I think the meaning of the word ‘minority’ passed you by. Isn’t there a reason they are reffed to as minorities, or use just use it when you want to stir up trouble.

It must suck when you are Gay and the only way you can defend your party is to say the frontrunner wont win.

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I don’t understand how a Gay person can be a conservative, other than not wanting to pay more taxes. Same way, some heterosexual males become Republicans when they make it big.”

But taxes are lower under a liberal, (Obama) than they were under Reagan. And Obama hasn’t raised the corporate tax rate (which has been at 35% since 1993, but under Reagan it was at least 50% or more for 6 years of his presidency).

For the thinking people, here are the facts:

Reagan ->1983:  average income tax rate for family of 4 = 11.06%
Clinton -> 1992: average income tax rate for family of 4 = 9.18%
Obama -> 2010: average income tax rate for family of 4 = 4.68%

I could go on… but, why bother.  Conservatives have no use for facts.
                      

Here’s the big question of the day concerning these two.

Were they were born conservative and chose to be gay?  Or, were they born gay and chose to be conservative?

Some are, it’s just the minority of nutters are in control right now. You know what they say, empty vessels make the most noise so right now, the louder, social conservatives get more attention.

Gloves and his life partner are tired of “Obama’s nonsense” everyone. Take heed!

Maybe Polly is in one of those red states sucking up all of that welfare money? Who knows? Polly is not on her game these days.

“Gay people have the right to be fiscal conservatives”

Anyone has the right to think what they want, but actions are more credible than thoughts.  If these folks want to belong to a party that is fiscally responsible, then the Republican Party is not the party for them.  Do they not recall the Bush presidency?  I mean, it was only 3 years ago.

Why would it suck if you are gay?

It really irks CNN and liberals that a gay person, or black, or a cashier (whatever) don’t choose their politics based on the one issue liberals want to lock them in to.  The idea someone could disagree with Obama is upsetting enough for them, but how dare a gay person, who obviously has disagreements with some of the positions of typical conservatives, how could they themselves be conservative – how dare they!   It really pisses liberals off that some people aren’t lemmings, that they choose to think for themselves and care about multiple issues.   

Really?  I’m not pissed.

 Ahhhh….

English next time, k?

Back before the Republicans completely sold out to the Evangelicals, it might defensible to be gay and Republican, but these days it isn’t. The GOP is wedded to a group who thinks homosexuals are damnable in the eyes of god. Of course, this is the same party that runs up bills at Washington, D.C. S&M clubs, but who’s paying attention?

Ahhh, playing dumb when called out.

I don’t understand how straight people can be liberal, other than thinking that everybody owes them something, just for fighting through the threat of abortion and surviving!

Now, was my statement any more bigotted or stupid than yours?  Think not…

What has abortion got to do with it? are you OK? If you have nothing reasonable to say, you should keep to yourself. 

another self hating gay man, like the log cabin guys, and any non white republican, they think because they carry the torch for the GOP that they will be welcome in the ‘GOP big tent’.  and they sit there at CPAC while the GOP base excoriates gays and minority’s every minute.  its sad to see these educated gays, act like their constituents dont hate them, and want them to burn in hell…  it just shows how cultism will take over even someone who appears to be ok, but is carrying such self hatred that they overlook what is in front of their own eyes.
how many more times will gays watch their own civil rights erode and be shamed by the people who they claim to be a part of, until they realize the GOP hates gays, blacks, and ‘others’…. but they do love their guns…
the gop is the true enemy of the usa.

You are using “averages” extracted from a statistical era without taking into consideration how many “middle class” people were working and contributing to the tax base.  The economy is what will produce tax numbers, and when you have 50% not paying anything, then those numbers as averages come down. 

 yeah, all blacks should join the KKK, because they agree with rape and lynching… typical GOP uneducated dolt….

If by chance Santorum does make it through, which I doubt, there are more than 2 votes in my household that will NOT support him.  But, here is the fact, he could easily be “the next anointed one” in the Party.  That scares the shit out of me…though I must say, all the things that Rick cited in 2003 must be something he is familiar with, in the privacy of their own homes.  

or paying $13,000 by a liar to try to blow smoke to cover his lie.  Oh hell, wrong party!

If you want to have a discussion, start with facts and not preconceived notions of the “enemy”.  Think about the “enemy”.  Our President has painted the republicans with that brush to further his agenda and managed to undo how many years of Presidential behavior that embraced everyone.

If you love your Country and realize you have no choice on the ballot but to vote in a devisive man who harms the Country every time he speaks, you might think of abstaining from the voting process, since I realize you don’t agree with republicans.  The only way to stop the assault on the wedge that is being driven deeper and deeper between people. 

I think the reason everyone remembers Reagan so fondly is because the man, besides being the President, was a uniter.  Was a lover of his Country and its’ people and carried himself with class and conviction without demonizing any of us.  You could agree to disagree without being disagreable.   Bush didn’t demonize anyone, and didn’t put his face on t.v. every second day to rebut the horrible lies spread about him.  He acted like a Statesman.  I don’t recall Laura Bush ever saying or doing anything that indicated that she was overstepping the bounds of the wife of a President.  Clinton, was not divisive and managed to work with Gingrich. 

There are so many examples in our history of Presidents conducting themselves with class and conviction and leaving the dirty politics for others. 

The left demonizes the right regarding their stance on marriage (between a man and a woman) – and changing that to indicate the right hates homosexuality.  Why would the right hate homosexuality?  They don’t, and you and I both know they don’t.  That is wrong and a lie and it’s perpetrated by….the same with abortions.  You don’t agree with abortions, you hate women, not that you love children.  Which brand do you place on a pro lifer? 

When the aberition becomes the norm and normalcy is decried, there is a dreadful price to pay.  Read some history. 

This is a classic case of denial for these two Republicans.

It’s interesting to watch liberals not being able to wrap their heads around the notion of a conservative gay.  Way too much cognitive dissonance there!  LOL

Whether these two gentlemen were born gay or not, it’s obvious they CHOSE to be conservative.   Therein lies the rub.  Even just by looking at them, they exude a disciplined thought process, they are able to articulate ideas, without pushing a radical agenda in your face.  Most of all, they refuse to allow themselves to be stereotyped.

They owned the liberal anchorwoman in this interview. 

Well done, Guys!

Didn’t the Democrats start the KKK and Jim Crow laws and fight against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Actually, what really SUCKS is being a democrat and HAVING to support Obama!  Egad!

Uh huh, and do YOU recall the Reagan presidency?  

Your name is most appropriate.  Your missive indicates you’re complete misunderstanding of truth and “talking points”. 

People hate other people.  Democrats and Republicans differ on political stances, not on human behavior.  There are just as many democrat homophobes as republican.  Let me assure you.
Your statment regarding “gays watching their own civil right erode”?  Seriously? 

The GOP does not hate gays, blacks, “others”, women.  A dishonest, inflamatory statement that indicates that you hate the GOP and allow yourself to spread falsehoods that even you know are untrue, unkind and bigotted. 

Obama has been MASTERFUL at dividing this country.  He’s quite proud of it too.

…or for you.

The only way that Bush could have conducted himself as a fiscal conservative is to veto every move made by the senate and congress. 

He worked with what he had.  Choices were not an option.

I agree.  Want to delete your comment, and then I might delete mine.  Neither of our statements were reasonable.  I indicated so, you didn’t.

Was it you or the moderator who removed your hateful comment from below?   You are filled with so much hatred you can’t help but attack those who disagree with you.  You epitomize  hate-filled liberals who have no interest in accepting others have views different from your own.   In spite of what you claim with your hate filled rhetoric most conservatives have absolutely no problem with gays.  Some do, no surprise, some have little exposure or interaction with gays and like you base their opinion on what some ignorant bigot told them to believe.  Many conservatives will speak against gays in a general sense, because they disagree with the lifestyle, but whether that is ignorance, intolerance, or just a preference is open to argument.  Painting all liberals as communists is juvenile, same goes for the hate you spew.

What a confusing sad way to have to live your life.It’s like loving the devil but pushing Jesus. Simple analogy for the Republican/tea Party folk.

“I’ll have those n*****s voting Democratic for 200 years.”

- LBJ after passing the Civil Rights Act of 1965

LOL. These 2 guy aren’t gay. They are confused.

They claim  gays care about other issues besides gay rights … so why then did they create the group GOPROUD???

The legislation was not his idea, it was what Kennedy brothers were working on before the death of the President. Keep digging, the fact is the fact, Southern Strategy worked.

 President Obama will easily have four more years as our President. All the world have/can/will see the true colors of
the Republican/Tea Party come out of the closet as
the dog and pony show rolls on.

SS,  I could understand why a gay or a black earned $250K+ would support the Republicans but the last couple of Republican adminstrations have not been fiscally responsible even with a Republican controlled Congress.

When W proposed privatizing Social Security Congressional Republicans squashed the idea because they wanted to retain their seats.

I’m sorry.  I must have missed the part where President Obama came out in favor of same-sex marriage.  Link, anyone?

Nice try, Seek but Republicans has control over the House for 6 years under Bush and the Republicans had control over the Senate for 4 years…..

and in that time…  The Iraq War, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, and don;t forget the 3 trillion Bush borrowed to subsidize the tax cuts that primarily benefitted the wealthy.

Do you even have any gay friends? Work with or associate with? How do you know they are gay? Do you discuss issues at all with homosexuals? Are you just agreeing with these two sad,confused abominations of God,words of Republican/tea Party folk.

You really need to read upon your American history.

The Democrats who voted against the Civil Rights acts later became Dixicrats and they are typically Republicans today.

Also the Republicans starting with Nixon created the “Southern Strategy” based upon white resentment of blacks gaining more rights.

LBJ stated after he signed the Civil Rights bills that the Democrats had lost the Southern vote for at least a generation. Well make that two generations and counting.

Rubbish! Your comment made no sense.

Well, considering Michelle Bachmann, who is considered a conservative leader in your party calls gay people ‘Part of Satan”, then yes, it is kind of hard to wrap my head around why they’d want to be associated with such bigotry and hatred.

Or when Republican House leader from North Carolina referred to gay people as “Things”, then yes, it is kind of hard to wrap my head around why they’d want to be associated with such bigotry and hatred.

or when conservatives at a presidential debate booed a soldier based on sexuality, then yes,  it is kind of hard to wrap my head around why they’d want to be associated with such bigotry and hatred.

Should I continue?

I thought we were talking about the two gay gentlemen featured in the above article.  What does the KKK have to do with this?  Oh, I see.  You’re changing the subject because you’re wrong.

No it makes no sense for a gay to be a member of a party which bashes gays to gain votes just like the Republican Party uses resentment against racial minorities to garner votes (Southern Strategy).As for someone who is a cashier making a little above minimum wage I have no idea why they would vote for a party who believes that trickle down economics works. And if she’s a values voter well I can’t see how a party that embraces Newt Gingrich as a viable candidate could have any moral values.

But they were Democrats when they signed it.  I noticed you ignored the fact that the Dems started the KKK and implemented Jim Crow Laws.

But what do I know, I’m just a Canadian.

Sorry, they were Democrats when the OPPOSED it.

Gays to Republicans
Blacks to Democrats = KKK

Please keep up.

 ”Southern strategy”

Google it.

Still not not following.  Why are we talking about the KKK when the topic at hand was gays and Republican Party.

 Personally I think you need to register to get the newsletter from Newsmax.
First so you know…They are 100% anti-Obama.

But here is one of the facts that you should know. When you quote 50% not paying taxes…If that number is true…75% of that figure are Americans making more that $250K a year. Yes, I said 75% of those Americans making $250K a year are paying ZERO in taxes. In fact they advertise almost weekly to help “enroll” even more wealthy non-paying Americans into that role.

So we are now left with 25% of the American poor not paying much in taxes. One thing that could account for such a figure is if those tax payers in that percentile happen to be one of the minimum wage earners that has a family of 4. And most likely must either live with his or her parents to afford to survive. Oh wait I forgot we need to reduce that 25% figure by 1/2 (from your figure) so it’s 12.5% of Americans that are working poor, that pay no taxes.

 He was the only president that deemed it not necessary to raise taxes to pay for his wars.

 Just so you know…The frontrunner is Romney with 112 delegates. Santorum 72, Gingrich 32, Paul 9
So yes, he can say that Santorum won’t win…After all he’s not the frontrunner.

Wait until March 7th, the day after Super Tuesday to say who is the frontrunner.

 Well the KKK was started by Confederate Soldiers after the Civil War. In fact you might want to look up the branch of the KKK that was in Saskatchewan in the 20′s.

As for party and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was passed with votes from both Northern Republicans and Northern Democrats. As for the KKK fighting against it..I would guess it had both Democrats and Republicans against it.

It is also sad that the Southern Democrats now Dixiecrats aka Republicans were in favor of Jim Crow laws. But the US Supreme Court found in their favor too.

  OK, since you asked for it…I’m fairly sure that you, your girlfriend/wife, mother and father were all abominations unto God also.

Your womenfolk..Did they were a Latex Bra underneath that Cotton Blouse/Dress/T-shirt? Or actually anything that made it so they were wearing two different fabrics at the same time. They were abominations unto God.

Your menfolk. Did they were Cotton briefs while wearing a Wool or Polyester/Cotton blend Suit? And are you wearing Blue Jeans while wearing Orlon socks?? You’re an abomination unto God.

Do you shave?
Do you get a haircut?  You are an abomination unto God.

Do you drink a milkshake with that hamburger? You are an abomination unto God.
Do you eat: Lobster, Shrimp, Clams, Oysters?  You are an abomination unto God.

I can go much longer on this list.

I get Newsmax…but I don’t make up figures from them, I don’t put out there that 75% of Americans making $250,000 per yr are paying zero taxes..simply because I know that is not true.  You can’t even produce “averages” for that. If indeed that were anywhere near a fact, then Obama pandered to a zero number last campaign, cause he wasn’t going to raise taxes on anyone making below $250,000.  Unless they smoke, drive, buy groceries, pay utilities, go to the dr. or just try to live.  Do you understand?  This time he will try to make those same people think they are better off.  LOL

 Well the majority gays won’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If someone is a gay person would they rather have someone who repealed DADT and won’t defend DOMA or someone who believes gays are an abomination.

Did I make any kind of reference to religion?  Are you suggesting if someone believes in god they are a neanderthal?  Do you see the difference in people as matter to antimatter (where one is the complete and total opposite of the other) so since you probably consider yourself relatively normal, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a deranged freak?   It amazes me how some people can believe that and not see the foolishness of it.

Believe it or not, and apparently you do not, a gay or black or literally any kind of person can have conservative views, can disagree with Obama’s policies without being a racist, and can have a preference for spending money they earn instead of spending the money of other people.   Preference only goes so far however, so just because someone has a preference it doesn’t mean they won’t choose against their preference as needed.   My wife has driven the same car for 14yrs and would like to now buy a new one.  To get what she wants will cost A LOT compared to buying something used.  There are risks when buying used, plus she won’t get the same technology features, plus it won’t have as high a resale value later.  What to do…   Her preference is to buy a particular model new, circumstances has her looking at other brands’ used vehicles.  By the logic of some on this story, she’s a traitor to her primary brand if she doesn’t buy new, but may be an elitist snob if she does by new.  How can both be right?  Can’t you accept both may be wrong?   You can hate conservatives all you want, it doesn’t change that they are likely as ‘normal’ as you or anyone else.

All those Dixie crates are teabaggers now just like Rick Perry. Also more whites are on welfare than blacks, which is the direct cause of Bristol Palin’s bastard birth, Liar. Have a nice day! (lol)

Go ahead trailer trash and say the whole word. You know you’re dying to. Be a man about it like me. (lol)

Surly Obama’s check must be in the mail. If ever there was a glaring reason for any sane person to vote demo, it’s these two self-loathing jack a**ses. The magnitude of their imbecility is beyond the realm of belief.

The Log Cabin Republicans weren’t invited to CPAC this year…   Wonder why?

Oh, but on a brighter note, they did invite a white supremacist group.

Fair enough.  But let’s say Ron Paul is the GOP nominee (obviously in a parallel universe), and he’s opposed to DOMA and also a fiscal conservative. What would be the problem with the GOProuders supporting him?

They don’t and they prove it every day. There is no way a known white supremacist would be allowed to speak at a demo anything. (founder of VaDare anyone?)

They are teabaggers now, chump.

Keep saying that and it will become so in your own mind. Obama owes the anchor woman and the self hating buffoons cash money. There’s no way he should get this kind of press for free.

Yes I do and no love fest would be complete without some flowers:
Arms for hostages
Iran-contra
Blown up marines in Beirut
Bull crap invasion of Resort Grenada
And last but not least SUPPORT for Apartheid in South Africa!
Savings and Loan scandal (john Mccain)
Massive Deficits.
* May he rot in hell.
(nah that’s too good for the klucker)

     You know you RePubliklans speak often about the lord, his grace and mercy and such, and not a few times I’ve heard that a righteous life is marked by a long one. I’ve also heard many a ‘bagger pee and moan about the horrible Pres. J. “jimmy” Carter recounting that he wasn’t this or that. Well I ask you then,………. Since I also believe God is a just God, what does that say about the fact that Carter:
Is still alive
Still builds homes for the poor. (not as many because of age)
Is respected around the world
Is a Noble Prize winner
Married to same woman
Opinion sought after in areas of foreign affairs
As opposed to:
Died an imbecile, wearing diapers, stinking in the grave.
When I encounter an atheist who demands proof of purchase, it is this list I am most proud to offer.
                                  The Batlcrewzer

Point taken and I’m not gay but from my perspective some things are red lines.  I don’t care if a politician is aligned with my position on taxes, foreign policy, healthcare and the economy. If they tell me I couldn’t get married, serve in the military and wanted to stop me from adopting children how could I possibly support them?  And last but not least how I could I support a party that has an event like CPAC and tells me I’m not invited?  You’ll take my votes and money but I’m not allowed to participate in the events.  Talk about the mistress treatment.  Some things are about principle.

Easy Fet, this teabagger is becoming unhinged and is quite likely to snap at a moment’s notice! Imagine all of that santorum all over the screen. EWW!!

These are the same (snake handlers) that have the unmitigated gall to proudly proclaim this with a “straight”* face:
    “Newt is a man of awesome intellectual abilities, not a perfect man, nor a humble man to be sure. But he is a man who has humbled himself before God and made his peace with his demons”.
       You see, Newt’s  voters are divided between two groups, the “who-gives-a-damn”group, and “Jesus-forgave-him-so can-I” group.The last group being so deluded and immoral that they will  tell you and swear to “Jesus” that Clinton’s impeachment was all about perjury.The first group could care less if Newt was a serial killer. Get that Kenyan! Of course the rest of normal America would just consider all of the above involved to be lying, hypocritical,blasphemers. But for real, based on this seasons RePug candidates, it’s so good to be a demo.

* you never really know with RePugs

Pablo doesn’t play dumb! Check his posts…..

No GWB divided us and the New Republican Tea Party has perpetuated it!

It was divided before he took office! NRTP has issured it stays that way!

Careful conservative posters. If you hang out in this thread to long you might catch the gayness from those conservative gays. Then conservative gayness will spread and destroy society as we know it. They have a gay conservative agenda. Watch out! 
Hey , maybe you can pasas a Constitutional amendment saying Gays can’t marry, work with children in any capacity, or be Republicans. 

Of course they can be republicans who deny being gay , until thye’re caught doing gay stuff. They they’re OUT!

Weren’t they kicked out of CPAC last year by the new head? I recall reading about it on the now defunct FrumForum.

Thank you for laying out those FACTS! Don’t forget the guy running around calling himself the “conservative option to Barack Obama” voted for almost all those! 

Obama REVELS in class warfare. You’re playing right into his hands.

Uh…H-E-L-L-O, how exactly did you respond to my statement here? Or, are you just upset that the two men interviewed don’t fit your mode or model of a what a male gay sould be like, look like? Not flamboyant for ‘ya? What was missing? The hot pink feather boa?

They weren’t defending their party.  The question was about why they DON”T SUPPORT OBAMA, instead.  The two men made it very clear that there are other issues to consider when supporting a candidate, not only, i.e., gay marriage, gays in the military, etc.

Carter left office with hostages in Iran, an inflation rate of 12%, unemployment 11%, and Prime interest of 21%.  After beating an incumbent president, 1st thing President Reagan did was have the American hostages released in Iran.
  
Then came Reaganomics, including tax cuts, tax reform, reduction in welfare, reduced all three, inflation, unemployment, and interest, which ALL dropped during his Presidency. He led America through Black Monday, the greatest single day loss and crash of the stock market. He deregulated the airline industry, including breaking the air traffic controllers union, deregulated transportation. 15 million new jobs were created during his Presidency. He rebuilt the military, and had a foreign policy of peace through strength.. He is credited with bringing down the Soviet Union, through intimidation, forcing them to overspend on their military. After 16 years of war, scandals, incompetency, and disastrous Presidencies of LBJ, Nixon, Ford, and Carter, President Reagan restored America’s faith in government, relieved fears, and made America strong and proud again. He also reclaimed America’s place as a World Leader.Probably his greatest asset was his ability to bypass the media, and speak directly and connect with the American people. 

Thus, winning his distinction of being called, “The Great Communicator.”

To:  @baticrewzer:disqus 
Carter left office with hostages in Iran, an inflation rate of 12%, unemployment 11%, and Prime interest of 21%.  After beating an incumbent president, 1st thing President Reagan did was have the American hostages released in Iran.
  
Then came Reaganomics, including tax cuts, tax reform, reduction in welfare, reduced all three, inflation, unemployment, and interest, which ALL dropped during his Presidency. He led America through Black Monday, the greatest single day loss and crash of the stock market. He deregulated the airline industry, including breaking the air traffic controllers union, deregulated transportation. 15 million new jobs were created during his Presidency. He rebuilt the military, and had a foreign policy of peace through strength.. He is credited with bringing down the Soviet Union, through intimidation, forcing them to overspend on their military. After 16 years of war, scandals, incompetency, and disastrous Presidencies of LBJ, Nixon, Ford, and Carter, President Reagan restored America’s faith in government, relieved fears, and made America strong and proud again. He also reclaimed America’s place as a World Leader.Probably his greatest asset was his ability to bypass the media, and speak directly and connect with the American people. 

Thus, winning his distinction of being called, “The Great Communicator.”

As a gay man, let me explain it to you Chuck and I promise to use small words so you’ll understand. ALL the Republican candidates (except Ron Paul) want to strip us of civil rights. ALL of the candidates have pledged to push for a constitutional amendment making gay marriage illegal. You have a spectrum of bigotry on the part of the major candidates, but it is still bigotry, and they want to enshrine it in the constitution. That’s why being a gay member of Goproud is like being a member of Jews for Hitler.

How many of that 50% live below the poverty level and earn, as individuals, less than $20k a year OR are students in school living with their parents (who also get 100% of their federal withholding back).  Also, that same 50% DO pay taxes. They pay sales taxes, payroll taxes, personal property taxes, food taxes (in states that charge sales tax on food), gasoline taxes (if they drive vehicles requiring gas).  So let’s be clear…it’s 50% of wage earners that don’t pay federal income taxes.  But then, neither do some corporations (GE comes to mind).

And, to Andy-48′s point below…I would be interested in seeing how many Americans making over $250k a year pay federal income tax, as opposed to Romney’s 15% Capital Gains tax rate, which is not federal income tax….so, using Romney as an example, he also paid 0% in federal income tax, though he did pay capital gains.