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Is This The Worst “Ground Zero Mosque” Debate Ever?

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Last night I stumbled across what might be one of the worst “Ground Zero Mosque” debates ever.

There are many reasons for this, which we’ll lay out. And it doesn’t really matter which side you’re on – this is something both sides can agree on. Watch the fourteen-minute Fox Business Network video and decide for yourself!

The debate stars Eric Bolling, “The Corruption Hunter” and host of Money Rocks on Fox Business Network. I think Eric’s a talented guy – and usually enjoy when he fills in for Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly. But this was bad. Here’s why-

• Amount of guests: There are the two sides of the debate – support and oppose. Then there are four more people. With Bolling, that makes seven guys yelling.

• Who the guests were: The panel included these experts on the Islamic Cultural Center controversy – former NYC police officer and all-around crazy pundit Bo Dietl, radio host Ron Kuby, comedian Jackie Martling and wine guy Gary Vaynerchuk.

• Interrupting: Bolling does it throughout, as do the rest of the guests (sometimes Dietl grabs Vaynerchuk to get it done). In fairness, it’s almost impossible for Bolling not to interrupt, considering the topic and amount of guests.

Imam Rauf out of context clip: The center of this debate – about an out of context Imam Rauf clip – led off the FBN segment as well. Not a good place to start.

• Tangential issues: At some point an entirely new Mosque-related issue is introduced. Apparently some “mega-Mosques” in Tennessee are causing an uproar as well. Why would there need to be mega-Mosques?! Bo Dietl uses this as an opportunity to warn against terror babies, “She-ra Law” some ‘video I saw’ and, for some reason, the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

• Where it’s happening: On Fox Business Network. Business. Why?

Bolling makes some good points, although I’d like it if he could hunt some corruption that’s causing the bureaucratic foot-dragging leaving it Ground Zero and not the Freedom Tower. But wow, this segment. Wow. Good luck!

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  • Azarkhan

    Why does Mediaite keep ginning up controversy about the GZ mosque by continually running stories about it?

  • lanquihue

    I also notice that on Mediaite’s “home” page right now, just about every writeup is something about Fox News. Sort of like that obsessive freak of a stalker, “GlennBeckReview”, these guys ought to change their name to “FoxNewsReview”!

  • Azarkhan

    lanquihue said:
    I also notice that on Mediaite’s “home” page right now, just about every writeup is something about Fox News

    That’s their game. Ostensibly Mediaite is a general media review site; in fact its job is to monitor and criticize Fox News. Call it Media Matters Lite. I’m just surprised that all those bright young Mediaite staffers don’t get bored.

  • SpineCrusher

    hmmmm…sounds like you 2 want the issue to die…wonder why that is?

  • SpineCrusher

    The news stories are starting to expose the truth behind those against it maybe? Even on FOX, that must be really frustrating for you.

  • puck30

    Thanks Steve for finally putting up some FBN clips. Now how about putting up some ‘Freedom Watch’ clips for debate.

    Azarkhan said:
    That’s their game. Ostensibly Mediaite is a general media review site; in fact its job is to monitor and criticize Fox News. Call it Media Matters Lite. I’m just surprised that all those bright young Mediaite staffers don’t get bored.

    When you are the number one cable news channel you have to expect people to talk about you.

  • lanquihue

    SpineCrusher said:
    hmmmm…sounds like you 2 want the issue to die…wonder why that is?

    Oh, no no no no….. I’d like to see this debate alive and well for at least the next couple of months. Those who oppose the mosque are in the overwhelming majority according to every poll, no matter what your bong class friends tell you as you’re hating people who aren’t like you.

  • Permatiltx

    Worst Ground Zero Mosque debate ever? Hell, no. That was hilarious. I know that if I turned to a business channel and saw that, I’d have to call my cable provider and tell them I think they mislabeled the channel on the guide. Still Corey Saylor (is that how his name spelled? Didn’t look it up.) for most of the debate really earnestly believes he’s going to be a part of a reasonable debate. But come on, Jackie Martling is on the panel. Seriously? This was hilarious. I don’t care who’s side you’re on, that’s some funny shit (to paraphrase Larry the Cable Guy)

  • puck30

    SpineCrusher said:
    The news stories are starting to expose the truth behind those against it maybe?

    Really? Here’s one story I guarantee they ain’t playing on MSNBC or CNN.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/sheldon_silver_created_turmoil_opposes_IbK7nUMUzgBVWEXRLa9E5I

    Could it be that New York State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Governor David Patterson are DEMOCRATS?

    Sheldon Silver says it’s the planners who have created ‘turmoil’.

    “I think the sponsors should take into very serious consideration the kind of turmoil that’s been created and look to compromise,” Silver said.

    To bad he’s not a Republican or Conservative or Right-Wing, then you could just slap him and Governor Patterson with the ‘Broad Bigot Brush’.

    Nah! Their Democrats so we won’t be exposing them to any truth now shall we? Well at least not on MSNBC CNN or HLN.

  • JimBob

    Agree! DO NOT let this story die!

  • Azarkhan

    SpineCrusher said:
    hmmmm…sounds like you 2 want the issue to die…wonder why that is?

    Sorry dope, you’re wrong again. I wrote my comment as a satirical take on the Mediaite staff which has repeatedly referred to “ginned up controversy”. Go back and look thru the stories if you want, particularly those from Glynnis MacNichol.

    As I’ve written before, I want the controversy to continue right up to Nov 2. It can only harm the Democrats.

  • SpineCrusher

    puck30 said:

    I don’t know what planet you’re from, but hate and intolerance spreads far and wide and is not subject to only one political party.

  • Permatiltx

    lanquihue said:
    Oh, no no no no….. I’d like to see this debate alive and well for at least the next couple of months. Those who oppose the mosque are in the overwhelming majority according to every poll, no matter what your bong class friends tell you as you’re hating people who aren’t like you.

    No, let the debate die. Let’s debate the economy. You guys still have enough belief on your sides to be able to debate that without having to delve into a topic that won’t help anybody in this room. I agree, let the story die. Let them build the mosque, and let’s start talking who’s going to help this country out of our double dip recession.

  • SpineCrusher

    look up “dixiecrat” and you’ll understand….ah, the ignorance of youth…to only be able to go back to those blissful days.

  • SpineCrusher

    Azarkhan said:
    Sorry dope, you’re wrong again. I wrote my comment as a satirical take on the Mediaite staff which has repeatedly referred to “ginned up controversy”. Go back and look thru the stories if you want, particularly those from Glynnis MacNichol. As I’ve written before, I want the controversy to continue right up to Nov 2. It can only harm the Democrats.

    Well, that’s something we can both agree on…let the story continue.

    On who it harms…You’re contrite in thinking this only effects one political party during one election cycle. The effects will be far and wide and will effect every member of our society for many, many years.

    This has become a global issue…don’t they talk about that on FAUX?

  • SpineCrusher

    lanquihue said:
    Oh, no no no no….. I’d like to see this debate alive and well for at least the next couple of months. Those who oppose the mosque are in the overwhelming majority according to every poll, no matter what your bong class friends tell you as you’re hating people who aren’t like you.

    Those who oppose racial and religious tolerance have been in the overwhelming majority every time THEY LOST!

  • SpineCrusher

    lanquihue said:
    Oh, no no no no….. I’d like to see this debate alive and well for at least the next couple of months. Those who oppose the mosque are in the overwhelming majority according to every poll, no matter what your bong class friends tell you as you’re hating people who aren’t like you.

    bong class = hate

    that’s a new one…get out much?

  • NORBIT

    Fl. Rep AAllen West – the ltest Palin-Endorsed Black GOP candidate to achieve an upset win in the primary!

    SHE’S A KING-MAKER!

    You Betha’!!!
    ——————————–

    Keep the mosque issue alive – Democrats getting Smeared all over the place on it!!

  • Azarkhan

    Permatiltx said:
    Let’s debate the economy.

    Permatiltx, Americans are focused on the economy. A verdict will be delivered on Nov 2. However, I fear it will not be to your liking.

  • SpineCrusher

    NORBIT said:
    Fl. Rep AAllen West – the ltest Palin-Endorsed Black GOP candidate to achieve an upset win in the primary! SHE’S A KING-MAKER! You Betha’!!!——————————– Keep the mosque issue alive – Democrats getting Smeared all over the place on it!!

    317 incumbents have won so far – 7 incumbents lost

    YOU BETCHA!

  • EdinNJ

    How disgusting is it that Republicans are more interested in scoring a political win in this ginned-up mosque constroversy than in protecting our country. As it looks more and more like this issue will continue to drag on until either the mosque is moved or burned to the ground by some rightwing nutcase. While at the same time handing a huge recruitment tool to the terrorists by proving how much we hate Muslims.

    The Constitution is supposed to protect us from the tyranny of the majority. Every time I read a so-called conservative or libertarian arguing against the mosque, it think how cowardly all of the right and many on the left has become. This is a slippery-slope issue that will have repercussions for years to come, but most people are too stupid or angry, or focused on scoring political points to realize it.

  • lanquihue

    SpineCrusher said:
    Those who oppose racial and religious tolerance have been in the overwhelming majority every time THEY LOST!

    Please… That just doesn’t work anymore, hasn’t for years. Just about everyone recognizes that libby’s and proggies are the most religiously intolerant people among us, except when it comes to islam. Ever wonder why Seth McFarland has so much fun slamming Christians, but is way too much of a pussy to to address islam in any manner? And racial intolerance? You’re just plain high, bud, even sending a plant into the anti-mosque rally last weekend followed by a guy with a video camera, the proggies still couldn’t come up with any racism, but around the block at the pro-mosque rally, you have a guy on a soapbox ranting against those horrible joos, and when a guy yells up to him, asking him wtf is this all about, some other douche bag assaults him and the crowd gets the cops to run him out of their protest, just because he wondered why the joo hate speech was appropriate. So take your cliche liberal crap somewhere else homes. “If you go carryin’ pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow.”

  • lanquihue

    EdinNJ said:
    this ginned-up mosque constroversy

    Hey, we get it. Some proggie said it’s “ginned up” and now you feel you all need to say it. Jesus, you guys are such tiny little puppets.

  • puck30

    SpineCrusher said:
    I don’t know what planet you’re from, but hate and intolerance spreads far and wide and is not subject to only one political party.

    It always seems that when someone from the left is confronted by Democrats being against the Mosque being built at it’s present location…….they always fall back on the old line……”It’s Everybody!”

    And then in the next post they abandon that train of thought.

    “don’t they talk about that on FAUX?”

    So what is it? Your bigot blind hatred of the right? Or do you have trouble spelling FNC?

    Say Hello to Mr. Spock the next time you head home.

  • juan

    What do “global warming,” “global governance” and “sustainable development” have to do with the proposed Ground Zero mosque

    Report of Investigation Park 51

    By Doug Hagmann Saturday, August 21, 2010

    What do “global warming,” “global governance” and “sustainable development” have to do with the proposed “Ground Zero mosque?” One would think absolutely nothing; however investigation into the money, organizations and people behind the project has uncovered some revealing and disturbing connections. An extensive analysis of these findings provides the missing insight into the larger agenda, motives and modus operandi associated with what is now known as the Park51project. It also reveals the reasons behind the persistence of the insipid and insulting project and why it remains viable in the face of such visceral opposition.

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/26762

  • Dosser

    Yeah,i agree Steve,even by Fox standards this is pretty crappy.They get dumber by the day,no doubt.Incapable of having a serious discussion about a very serious issue,just like the guys over at MSNBC.All highly biased trash,a damn shame,the state of ‘Journalism’ in this nation is at a lower level than the gutters of Bombay.Tragic…

  • da-wdc

    I wonder if the strategery plan for Fox Business is to basically be Fox News Channel 2, so that if you don’t like the (mostly right-leaning) personalities yelling at each other on Fox, you can switch over to Fox Biz and watch a different set of (mostly right-leaning) personalities yelling at each other.

  • puck30

    lanquihue said:
    Please… That just doesn’t work anymore, hasn’t for years. Just about everyone recognizes that libby’s and proggies are the most religiously intolerant people among us, except when it comes to islam. Ever wonder why Seth McFarland has so much fun slamming Christians, but is way too much of a pussy to to address islam in any manner? And racial intolerance? You’re just plain high, bud, even sending a plant into the anti-mosque rally last weekend followed by a guy with a video camera, the proggies still couldn’t come up with any racism, but around the block at the pro-mosque rally, you have a guy on a soapbox ranting against those horrible joos, and when a guy yells up to him, asking him wtf is this all about, some other douche bag assaults him and the crowd gets the cops to run him out of their protest, just because he wondered why the joo hate speech was appropriate. So take your cliche liberal crap somewhere else homes. “If you go carryin’ pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow.”

    And let’s not forget this loving, caring liberal who provided spiritual comfort at the rally Sunday.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF_tL8m9e-c

    “Obviously he didn’t learn his lesson”, what beautiful comforting words from the liberal man.

    And remember you can’t say the liberal man is hateful, no no no! He’s a liberal. It’s obvious to all the Concentration camp guards didn’t do their job back in the day.

    Unless of course you believe Bradley Smith & David Cole, then Sobibor never happened.

    Ah! the liberal life not having to stand firm on anything.

  • puck30

    da-wdc said:
    I wonder if the strategery plan for Fox Business is to basically be Fox News Channel 2, so that if you don’t like the (mostly right-leaning) personalities yelling at each other on Fox, you can switch over to Fox Biz and watch a different set of (mostly right-leaning) personalities yelling at each other.

    Ron Kuby? Right leaning? DO TELL?

  • puck30

    lanquihue said:
    Hey, we get it. Some proggie said it’s “ginned up” and now you feel you all need to say it. Jesus, you guys are such tiny little puppets.

    Ginned up……..A little Tangueray and some Braves Baseball sounds good.

  • Dosser

    da-wdc said:
    wer level than the gutters of Bombay.T

    Wait,wasn’t it you who was up in arms defending the ‘holiness’ of foxnews.com???
    Sorry kid,it’s a crappy crappy website.Even that rag Huffington Post trumps it…
    http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/news-websites

    Trash.

  • murf

    *****More hate crimes against Jews & Christians than Muslims****

    According to the latest hate crime statistics available, there were 1,606 hate crime offenses motivated by religious bias in 2008. A closer look: 65.7 percent of them were committed against Jews. Against Muslims? 7.7 percent.

    Another interesting data point: 4.7 percent of hate crimes in 2008 were motivated by anti-Catholic bias. Another 3.7 percent were anti-Protestant. So from a raw numbers perspective, there were more hate crimes against Christians in America in 2008 than there were against Muslims..

    http://bit.ly/9XaL7k

  • Dosser

    da-wdc said:
    I wonder if the strategery plan for Fox Business is to basically be Fox News Channel 2, so that if you don’t like the (mostly right-leaning) personalities yelling at each other on Fox, you can switch over to Fox Biz and watch a different set of (mostly right-leaning) personalities yelling at each other.

    Woops! Wrong quote.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Terry-Canaan/666670819 Terry Canaan

    Why was this on Fox Biz? That’s easy — their ratings suck. No one takes them seriously, so why not turn the whole thing into a gladiatorial spectacle of idiots v. morons? Seriously, what do they have to lose? Respectability?

    Please…

  • nrgetick

    @norbit…”Keep the mosque issue alive – Democrats getting Smeared all over the place on it!!”

    yea and taxi cab drivers are getting slashed in the face because of it. I forgot, you could give two shits about the consequences of the hate filled rhetoric coming out of the right wing echo chamber

  • jk76

    I like pundit roundtables. You can only handle so much of the single host shows drill the same shit daily. FBN has more roundtables than FNC. It is strange they do carry quite a bit of non-business topics, but the characters are fun and usually have opposing viewpoints on. It’s quite civil. They do have good business discussions as well as a few great reporters. It’s a different tempo than CNBC but I like CNBC roundtables too.

    CNN had decent punditry for the primaries, I watched some. Best parts were the ones not involving Rick ‘I like to say awkward shit’ Sanchez.

    I change the channel now as soon as I hear Ground Zero Mosque or Imam Rauf. I’m so numb to the whole thing after weeks of it

  • nrgetick

    @freakshow.”It always seems that when someone from the left is confronted by Democrats being against the Mosque being built at it’s present location…….they always fall back on the old line……”It’s Everybody!”

    no its because those elected democrats are pussy and dont have the strength of their “progressive convictions” ha ha sorry couldnt say that with a strait face,,..democrats having strong progressive convictions, ha ha thats a good one,.

  • TCinAZ

    lanquihue lanquihue said:
    Ever wonder why Seth McFarland has so much fun slamming Christians, but is way too much of a pussy to to address islam in any manner?

    No, Not Really. But I’ll take a Guess, and say that it’s because he knows that they’d find him, maybe “torture him”, ya’ know, teach him how to Surf and make him stand up in really funny-shaped positions for hours And hours, Or, they’d save time and chop his fucking McHead off he did. Just a guess though.

    Btw, Do any of you CAIR to buy a Used CAR From that Scumbag? And are you sure that You want to Start it Every Morning? After all, it’s not as if CAIR’s got Any direct links to, We Makey Things GO BOOM! Organizations in the Middle East. So it Would be a safe buy. Warrantied and Everything! 3 Years Or 72 Honeys In Paradise. Whichever Comes First.

  • Pablo

    EdinNJ said:
    The Constitution is supposed to protect us from the tyranny of the majority.

    Wrong. The Constitution is supposed to protect us from the tyranny of government, which can also represent the majority, but that’s beside the point. Do you see in there where it says “The People shall raise no fuss…”? How about “Congress shall make no law…”?

  • NORBIT

    WHERE’S THE ED SHULTZ STORY?

    Page Six has a lead story on how the Sarge LOST IT, for being shunned by execs in favor of Olbermann & Maddow!

    First he threw a Screaming Fit at the Studio, then NBC Brass called him into the office, and HE WHIMPERED & CRIED, like a little Sissy-Boy! – in fact, just like Olberman did when Donnie Deutch criticized him!!! LOL!!

    I mean, it’s getting pathetic over there at NBC! —– Are there no Men left?

    It seems that out of the three Axis-of-Evil Hosts at msnbc , Maddow’s got the Biggest Balls!!
    LOL!!
    ———————————————-
    11-02-10 —- Purge the Democrats!

  • MyRefrigeratorIsRunning

    And this is the drivel that replaced Dave Ramsey.

    Agreed with DA-WDC, FBN should just change their name to “Fox News 2″ and be done with it!

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