People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke.
-Will Rogers

 Seriously I demand one of you snotnosed liberals tell me, why gas is $4 dollars a gallon.

I have Comcast. I don’t get Stewie’s channel.

No biggie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvOHbxBAEN8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

why dont the chicks understand when you sell your vag to the state, the state gets to control it. pay for your own sh*t or get the guy banging you to pay for it…

 I answered this.  It is because the price of gas is now speculated on in the stock market.  It started due to the deregulation of the markets that took place from 2001-2003.  Therefor price is not set by supply and demand, but an artificial market based on derivatives.  Those are bets placed on gas prices rising or lowering.  Now bills have been introduced to stop or limit this practice, however they were all blocked from votes by Republicans.  Look it up.

Christians have a problem with birth control but not war. How messed up is that? 

Jews set a place at the table in case Elijah comes back I think it’s during Passover.

You do know that birth control pills are not only used for contraception right?

 is that how you cleared up your acne?

 The only Christians that have a problem with birth control are Catholics… err scratch that, Catholics have no problem with it, the Catholic Church does.

 Fine if none of you occutards can answer my question, then i will tell you myself.

President Obama’s Secretary of Energy is former Berkeley
physics professor Steven Chu, who said in 2008, “Somehow we have to
figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in
Europe.” We still have a way to go to achieve Secretary Chu’s goal.

The average price for a gallon of gas in Europe is over
$8. President Obama’s Secretary of Interior is Ken Salazar.
When he was a Senator in 2008, he proclaimed on the floor of the
Senate that he would oppose any offshore drilling no matter how
high the price of gasoline rose, even to $10 a gallon.

When President Obama took office in 2009, the average
price of gasoline in America was $1.83 a gallon. Today it is more
than double that at $3.87. As the above quotes indicate, the Obama
Administration’s policy is to increase it well beyond
that.

During his presidential campaign, Obama admitted he didn’t have a
problem with sky-high gasoline prices, he just “would have preferred a
gradual adjustment.”

It’s the place where you can meet millionaires, who are searching for their special someone. (@^_^@) 

 It is because the price of gas is now speculated on in the stock market.  It started due to the deregulation of the markets that took place from 2001-2003.  Therefor price is not set by supply and demand, but an artificial market based on derivatives.  

 I though you occutards said Obama was a Christian? But that basic contradiction just sailed right over you.

 will they use birth control?? and why is my post copied??? This isn’t mine. 

You asked a question then answered it yourself. Couldn’t wait to paste that huh? LMAO! It sure must suck to be you.

I agree. Now republicans are making it a social issue.

 Well if you Occutards, would quit conducting your war on religion and affordable gas and answer my questions, I would not have to do it myself.

You do realize that is where your lies start.  The Catholic Church has absolutely nothing against using hormone therapy for ovarian cysts, in fact it’s allowed.   Why do you think Jon lied to you about that?  hmmmmmm

 I answered your question and you ignored it.  See mine is the truth, while yours is a talking point. 

1.  The average price was that price for January.  The average price for 2008 was really around 3 dollars.  The first and only time that gas hit 4 dollars was that summer.  However the price plummeted (DUE TO SPECULATION) to $1.75.  The average price for 2009 was around $2.75.  Down from the year before.  Again, due to market speculation.

2.  Drilling has nothing to do with the price of Gasoline.  Again, we get the majority of our crude from this hemisphere.  Like 95%.  It comes from Canada, South America, Mexico, Texas, and Alaska.  Plus, crude is not sold to a nation.  It is sold to private companies who then use MARKET SPECULATION to set prices.

These are all facts.

Speculation and a lack of a regulatory brake on the oil markets add to that the blatant manipulation of the supply by oil and gasoline suppliers and you have what?…….high prices.

are republicans willing to tackle the problem? NO THEY ARE NOT.

And I am flagging you for violating this sites TOS for your continual use of insulting and demeaning terms toward others on this board and I suggest other do so also

 Apparently so is Newt.  Your point?

 I answered your question.  Three times actually. 

 So when i use exact quotes of Obama and his administration is that a talking point?   

 look at the AIDS rates in Africa and how the Catholic Church deals with that. 

 I doubt if anyone can explain it simple enough for you to understand.

At least partly because the economy is recovering and demand has gone up after it plunged during the GFC

Logic backed by facts,

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/25/news/economy/oil_drilling_gas_prices/index.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/06/more-us-oil-drilling-wont-help-gas-prices_n_858473.html

http://theweek.com/article/index/215086/could-offshore-drilling-lower-gas-prices

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-04-29/business/sc-cons-0428-money-consumer-watch-20110429_1_chief-oil-analyst-oil-drilling-gas-prices

as stated, supply or demand does not set prices.

 birth control pills cures aids? you must gulp them down like m&ms

All oil gets sold in contract form on the internatio­nal market.  None of the oil produced domestical­ly does anything to reduce domestic prices and we only have 3% of the world’s oil supply.

 no but condoms stop it from spreading, but that doesn’t stop the church…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/17/pope-africa-condoms-aids

Not from a liberal, but from an Independent, because NeoCon Bush decided to have a war with Iraq which cost us $4Trillion dollars and because of our inability to pay for it the FED has printed dollars there by making the dollars worth less and even though Oil is actually cheaper because of lower demand it is worth more in terms of cheaper dollar.  Hopefully it is not too complicated to understand.

 He’s been posting that all day just to paste an answer he found on a right wing blog or something hoping to prove liberals wrong.

so you want american catholics to buy rubbers for africans?

Because the  Iraqi oil paid for the “liberation” of Iraq. Slamdunk!

The problem with religious ideologues is that only scream about moral sexuality when all those damn  women are involved.
I did not see any of them  alarmed by Viagra when it became insured so they should come down of their high horses.
A lot of married couples uses birth control so they don’t get a unplanned pregnancy unless they think people have sex to have kids.

I knew it was still Bush’s fault!  Thanks for clearing it up for us. lol

Sure if it stops a disease from spreading. I mean hell, we have spent a lot more on actions that you would think that the church would be against. But the main crime here is the Catholic church taking an active stance in stopping something that could save lives.

Now say something completely stupid about the XL Pipeline…oil to be shipped elsewere..so people can rank on you for the next month.

 There you go again with your War on Facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

USA is the third largest producer of crude oil in the world 8.91%.

It reached at least $3.90 under Dubya.

I hope you flag your fellow democrats for their continual use of insulting and demeaning terms.  Would hate to think you’re a hypocrite, therefore I suggest you do so.  

You can’t drill or frack your way to energy independence..or do the Chinese have to teach you that.

 Yeah, and i have some beach front property to sell you in Kansas.

why don’t you get a job then you can buy all you want for the poor africans. if you don’t, you’re clearly a racist…

Hormone therapy??? The only “hormone therapy” covered by insurance plans to treat these issues involves some component that is also used for contraception. Since we should have control over women’s bodies, let’s talk about Rick Santorum’s dead baby instead.

 it actually was, he was the one that pushed for deregulations.  But to be fair, it started with Clinton, which was a compromise for tax rates signed off by the then speaker of the house, Newt Gingrich.

 The only way your question would relate to this topic is the petroleum based lubricants verses those that are water based, 

That why I give to the church. You know for charity.

Republicans quoting Joseph Stalin??

Now THAT’S surreal.

“Now say something completely stupid about the XL Pipeline”

Obama already did, he said “NO”.

 When is the Republican/Tea Party going to stop their war on woman? 

 You’re the expert on that.

Ok. Fact still remains. Price is controlled on the international market by speculation.

 When is the Republican/Tea Party going to stop their war on woman?

 Stay classy occutard,  Right MrsPorkChops?

When is the Republican/Tea Party going to stop their war on woman?

 yes i am! I really like to have sex with women, or a partner (whatever your orientation is) rather than get my rocks off trolling websites.  Unlike certain people I know.

When is the Republican/Tea Party going to stop their war on woman? 

Didn’t know there was a war on women.  Tell us about it.

Seek and ye shall find.

Alert Alert Alert: Liberal Gay Basing, your clearly insinuating that sex with a women is better then sex with a man.

You do understand if you believe that or say that, you can no longer be in good standing with the Democrat party.  

Hahaha…you WENT THERE! 

 Does that explain why they have the world’s fastest growing economy?

Gay basing??? Look whatever you do in your own bedroom is none of my business but it seems to me you must be doing it wrong.

Now you must excuse me as I must go to bed and I am sure you need a cigarette after the trolling you have done.

Wonder if they used their covered by insurance Viagra.

I t is not antisemitic to question, establishing a conscious conclusion
that there is such a thing as Us and Them may border on antisemitism
shall I put it down to poor phrasing? 

Seriously, I demand from you, the ignoramus, what the price of gas has to do with contraception and Jon Stewart.

you are blind

who really cares about others religious affiliations??? Oh you do. I thought this was AMERICA!!!!!!!!!

ALLOWED?????? Nice!!!!!!!! Good job shooting yourself in the foot.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

REALLY DUDE!!!????  Go get a blog!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They will stop once you stop whining and you mama comes home and put you to bed.  Maybe!

WAKE-UP!!! Like Obama can control the price of fuel!!!!! Do you think he is Jesus!!!!

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Revelling in your ignorance.

Man oh stoopid, this thread was a worse sausage fest than either of those portrayed in Congress or TDS skit. How to avoid reality, Mediaite wingers. And BTW: welcome to Four More Years. 

Question:  How is the GOP like ladies on their period?

Answer:  They are both hemorrhaging women.

I didn’t hear a single word of gallons or gas in this segment. Should we talk about Bushs war crimes too?

Interracial dating on here is easy to begin with,with hundreds and thousands of members choosing us to forge potential bonds.

Rattus norvegicus, flag away I win !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

His hide is thick.  If you just answer he’s not going to hear you.  Try shouting in his ear while jabbing a hot poker up his ass.

You want to find the genius in the GOP who thought it was a great idea to pick on women. 

I think it’s interesting, in the video above, how the ‘”GOPers” ignore the women’s issue and talk a load of shit to each other instead.  It’s a joke that makes use of exaggeration.  Funny huh?

Gas is as low as $3.09/gall here goofball. Where are you getting $4.00 gas?

http://www.californiagasprices.com/Prices_nationally.aspx

Lying miscreant.

”
When President Obama took office in 2009, the average

price of gasoline in America was $1.83 a gallon. Today it is more
than double that at $3.87. As the above quotes indicate, the Obama
Administration’s policy is to increase it well beyond
that.”
Typical liar. Obama was sworn in Jan 2009. Do you want to know what the average price of gas was in the year preceding his presidency — 2008?

http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/2008-us-gas-price-year-in-review.html 

Yes…..go figure.The Jan 2009 gas prices were atypical and were symptomatic of the global recession.  Why don’t you go back even further to 2006 and see what the gas prices were doing then?

You got owned! 

Someone preventing you from praying? Dunce. 

Because he was forced to make a decision within a certain time-frame after warning you teahadists (in advance) that he would say NO if the state department was not given ample time to finalize their study/review.

You can’t give a teabagger facts. They are useless things. 

 OOO OOO I know.  It’s Obama’s fault, cause someone on Fox was paid to say so.

 The blogs are strong with this one , yesss.

You seem to know a lot about finances…

50 billion dollars to bail out GM, record year 2011, hammered home as a success, GM paid ZERO INCOME TAX. ScmSKing union maggots pocket 7thousand dollar bonus… the partner in crime
GE, billions of shovelled dollars to post an 18 BILLION dollar profit (1 year) ZERO income tax. Thousands of jobs outsourced to CHINA. Someone should tell the jobs czar. wait he might now already since he is the CEO.
in the insult to injury department the 10thousand dollar subsidy on the volt, guess whos buying them? GE. So Tax dollars to make the car tax dollars to buy the car. wash rinse add 10thousand bux for every unit
insert lameass 1%er talking points, stir it up with fair share, add the comment about buffets secretary paying more taxes than two who the largest corporations on earth who have devoured almost 100billion dollars between them with more shoveling in every day.
Since she is a WHR for Obama she will prbably stand up and thank the mighty one for her 40dollars and free condoms.
Yup record year 2011, 2012 looks REAL GOOD TOO, I wonder how many Volts GE can buy in a year, here is the exact number ALL OF THEM.  socan anyone explain this to me? Lets make it multiple choice.
A- BushB- RacistC- CongressD- Osam bin LadenE- TsunamiF- TeabaggerG- Free Volts for OWS to sleep inG-Our country has been taken over by a ruthless marxist dictator wannabe hell bent on crashing our economy and destroying our way of life?
Cmon help it make sense anyone

DISTRACT – DISTRACT – DISTRACT

Media Matters-influenced outlet, The Daily Show, attempted to join the rest of the MM Mainstream’s and portray the Church-State issue as one on contraceptives.

This is deliberate, calculated and orchestrated (see Daily Caller series).

The issue, as clearly enunciated by a unanimity of clergy across religious lines, is the Government’s imposition of it’s principles on religion – any religion.

The ObamaCare Mandate (“compromise” lol, not withstanding) is a clear violation of religious freedom and autonomy from the State.
The canard the Democrats proffer on the danger of violating the separation of Church and State apparently, like so much of their hypocrisy, only works one way.

They are PETRIFIED that they’ve alienated the Catholic vote in key, must-win states for Obama, and are now on their predictable Distract & Smear mission.
Not to worry though, that can hardly compete with a weekly sermon for the faithful’s souls!

The only people they’ll convince with their latest White House-Media Matters-endorsed effort are people who were voting for them anyway.

 Man did this thread get derailed.

Thank you Jon for exposing the idiots. I think the GOP is arong in thinking this issue and contriving some fake war on religion is a winning strategy.

Did you ask Bush when he was president …Cold Head?

Read the polls. This is the dumbest thing the GOP picked on. As for MM, only Fox News cares, clearly. Moveon, my friend.

Poor Jon – he just doesn’t get it.  He is willing to give up freedom of speech and freedom of religion to hoist the banner high for his leader, the One, Barak.

I remember how he went after the extremist Islamics for their treatment of women…..oh wait a minute, that has never happened.

Just another limosine liberal who plays a stupid, silly game of bashing Christians.

What a bore.

Just out of curiosity, what’s the price of gold in that alternate universe you inhabit? I might want to set up an interdimensional trading firm.

In the real world, religious leaders across the board had no problem with the policy when it came out, but have given the Administration points for coming up with a compromise that shows great sensitivity to religious feeling.

Rightist cranks, out of touch with their congregations, have raised a stink. The Republican Party, desperate for something to distract from its disastrous nomination process — and with a highly developed sense of stink — has latched onto this issue like a vampire bat.

Progressives, liberals, democrats, we all absolutely love this. Watching ‘Lican credibility sizzle away like an ice cube in a frying pan … there’s nothing better.

Please carry on.

That’s just nasty.

Alert as always.

The War on Women is the means by which rightwing America is going to rip its own ass off and hand it to the Democrats.

It’s going on now in a nation near you!

Surely you have something better than that.

With the high quality of discourse from the right this election season, Democrats face a challenge: can we pull out all the stops — as hard as it may be — and rise to the levels of thoughtfulness, knowledgeability, and common sense our opponents demonstrate?

Stay classy. Every little bit helps toward a Democratic landslide in November.

Keep it up!

You error if you think that religious belief always trumps federal law. Check out this Scalia quote fromt the majority Supreme Court opinion in Employment Division v. Smith:  “To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself.”

 Wow, did you watch the same hearings I did? Did you even watch the hearings?
Did you read the Catholic Bishop’s Letter?

This Administration will LIE about anything, as has been shown throughout the past 3 years.
I guess we’ll just leave it up to the Catholic voters in those key Swing States to decide.

Remember though, however they decide, the Democrats’ WAR ON RELIGION moves onward!

 What is it you think speculators are speculating on?

Speculators are speculating on the price. What you’re saying is like saying “The market doesn’t control prices, shoppers do!”

Dumb, dumb, dumb. 

 The White House/Media Matters cabal must have censored this from the mainstreams.
I’ll go with the weekly homilies and gatherings to sway that key Catholic demographic, and not their acceptance of what a hostile media has to say.

It’s for the sake of us all you know, with a Marxist ideologue figure-head leading a clueless and “entitled” constituency, along with the rest of us, right off a cliff.

Please do not FEED Cold Dead Hands – it has polluted a bunch of threads with BS derailment.  Thanks.

Ummm let me guess …..It’s Obama’s Fault? 

Last time federal gas tax went up :1991.
Domestic oil production: up every single year of Obama’s term).
They even opened the strategic oil reserve last year briefly.

The stock market is not Willie’s Wonka Choco factory, you idiot.  American Prez cannot just snap fingers and move the prices around.  Unless he started a war with Iran, which would raise prices (like many on the Right want to do).

Try again.  Jerking the steering wheel to some idiotic talking point when wrong on issue of contraception, the economy is imporving, OBL is dead, and people are running in drovers from the morons running on your side.

 The more critical effect in this election year would be the perception of an overbearing government impinging on religious rights.
Couple that with the encroachment of government over individual freedoms in virtually every other sphere, and you have the mission of today’s Democratic Party.

Call it Socialism, Marxism, Stateism, Alinskyism…the ACTIONS of the President speak for themselves.

You live in an echo chamber and you are the only in it. First, remember there are lots of very rich countries you would consider Marxist. Second, politically it is silly to annoy women. Third, no one cares about MM. You know why? Because they are all hacks. FOX, MM, MSNBC, the lot. You need to wake up form your slumber.

 Is the peaceful religion imprisoning gays now, or are they still killing them?
Ooops, Jon-Boy may have missed that one too.

Wait, you can’t get to energy independence by producing your own energy? Interesting.

 Apparently, he does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNSZ62xiD4M

Hey From_My_Cold_Dead_Brain!!!!!!  There is no war on religion!!!!  Stop acting like you support freedom of religion when you could care less about Islam or any other religion that is not considered judeo-christian!!!

Where on earth did you get the idea that Iraq cost us $4 trillion? http://costofwar.com/en/

Viagra is not covered by Medicare or most insurance plans. Where it is covered, the number of pills is restricted.

When will Jon Leibowitz expose the War on Men?

 If you don’t give people stuff for free, it’s like carpet bombing them. Exactly the same thing.

 It’s that kind of analyses that will deliver the White House and Senate to a Conservative GOP.

How’s this:

The Romans started with Contraceptives too…
or
Contraceptives Today, Late-Term Abortions Tomorrow!
or my favorite
First They Came For Our Taxes; Now They’ve Come For Our Church!

The Democrats War On Religion is not being covered in the Media Matters Mainstream, but it’s being covered!
By the time the election rolls around, any Catholic voting Democratic will be ostracized from the rest of their Church…and there’s a heap load of Catholics in those swing states.

 Monogamy stops it from spreading too. Even better than condoms.

Tina, dear, I don’t think Mr. Stewart is bashing Christians. Rather, he is bashing old white Republican men who have just given Virginia women state-mandated rape. I should think that might be of some concern to you.

You have your facts all wrong. http://tinyurl.com/83lbkl8

How messed up is that?

Republicans didn’t mandate that Catholics provide it. Obama made it an issue, not Republicans.

Given the biological connection between male reproduction and the prostate gland, and between the prostate gland and male reproduction, one might wonder why the old white Republican men in Virginia have not mandated a clinical prostate exam each time they refill their Viagra or other ED drugs.

 And biologically ignorant.

Yes, read the polls.

CNN poll shows majority opposes HHS mandate, 50/44

I wonder why they haven’t demanded that Viagra be provided FREE—no copays or deductible. 

So you think the US Congress can control the price of oil on the global market? Is there anything the government cannot do?

Yep, leave it up to the voters. I’m OK with that. This one won’t even be close enough for the black-box vote guys to steal.

I think you are delusional on this. This may play well to the partisan base who put reason aside and eagerly glom onto any feeble reason to hate the President and his party, but moderates and independents are a bit more thoughtrful.
My Catholic ex was using contreception in the late 70s. Catholics have been ignoring this arcnae ridiculous doctrine in droves for decades. What it’s highlighting is how stupid the doctrine is and how eagerly the GOP will distort any talking point to try and win.
When they do that they demoonstrate to thinking voters that they don’t really give a crap about the day to day lives of the public. They just want the POWER back. 

Maybe it’s that Republican male – gay male “thang”.

This so called ‘war on women’ is man-made.
The Obama White House mouthpiece George Stephanopoulos got it started with his debate question about contraception.

The war on men, mostly white men, has been going on much longer.
If not feminized, men are portrayed on TV commercials and elsewhere as weak, bald, dumpy dolts, while women are shown as lovely multi-tasking wonders, swinging their enhanced chests from side to side as they go about their tasks. The kids, mostly the young girls, also get into the act by putting down dad. Even the family dog gets involved at times to put down dad.

Have a listen to how the ladies on the lib boob tube sneer when saying the word ‘men’. It is happening more often and is getting louder.

Hey ladies,

There is one man more than any other in the country that wants to divide and control men and women.

Barack Hussein Obama
Divide and Conquer

Shouldn’t you be asking Cold_Dead this? 

I don’t think it’s very relevant to the women who made this or continues to make this an issue.

Don’t you think we owe it to our women to provide contraception if said women wants it?  It’s in no way forcing it on anyone who doesn’t want it.

Of course the Republican answer is, if you don’t like it, FIND A NEW JOB!  Which is obviously a slap in the face and a huge contradiction to the whole “this economy blows” factor.

If it’s so easy to go out and get a new job if you don’t like how contraception is handled how the hell do we have any unemployment in the first place?

Republicans actions are contradiction after contradiction and I haven’t seen a single idea from them recently that isn’t completely self-serving.  No right leaning poster on here ever actually has any real ideas it’s just Obama trashing.  I’m sure their idea of solving unemployment is to go door to door and scream in everyone’s face “GET A JOB YOU BUM! WHY DON’T YOU HAVE A GOOD JOB?”

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2011-12-15/general/30778140_1_iraq-war-iraq-and-afghanistan-veterans-budgetary-assessments

You are right, but it goes deeper still!

Obama sent a signal to his allies in the mainstream of the Republican Party (did you know that George Romney was so very moderate that he nearly ran for the presedency as a Demon-Rat?). Understanding that the Clinton/ Bush/ Obama/ Romney junta was in danger of derailment by the pure and sweet tenor of Christ driven social policy, the signal was sent and the approval given. Not only did Steponchristopolis go after Richard, but so have Republican mainstreamers linked to the true administration. “True Administration” you say? Oh yes, I do. Bohemian Grove population control obsessed one worlders… The enablers off the anti-Christ.

It’s the simplist answer we have.

You like to make it Democrats vs Republicans.  In reality, both the parties have screwed the American people for a long long time.  

Do you know what the first page of the most recent RNC agenda is.  It is not America or Economy, it is about Israel and how America is tied up with her.

WHEREAS, Israel has been granted her lands under and through the oldest recorded deed as reported in the Old Testament, a tome of scripture held sacred and reverenced by Jew and Christian, alike, as the acts and words of God; and

Wow! Granting land to a kind of people based on a book?  Read on further.  Enjoy America’s slavery to Israel.

http://www.gop.com/Images/CommsLogo/2012_wintermeeting_resolutions.pdf 

They didn’t.  The democrats did.  Starting with George and his weird question.  Somehow George knew what was about to happen.  Would that be called collusion?  Remember how everyone was wondering what the hell George was talking about?

The left hijacked and lied about this “war on women”.  Made it about contraception.  Funny how nobody is talking about George getting advanced notice.  

There are none so blind than those who will not see.

So, do you think Axelrod was the genius?

With out woman Man would not exist.The war on women The Republican/Tea
Party have started is just one more nail in their coffin.Soon to be
their extinction. The Republican/Tea Party are not the deciders, they are the dividers.
 

thoughtfulness, knowledge and common sense from democrats? lol

You jest.  Take “war on religion” and turn it into “war on women” in front of your very eyes and chuckle under your breath on how you fooled NOBODY!

Why do you have such a hate for women?

Yet again, Republicans lose in the battel to take your rights away.  Women have to again fight for their freedom.

When the debt reaches $20T and the interest alone is one of the major costs, you also may find yourself a member of the T-party.

You have read the CBO projections, I hope. 

Tim Geithner just admitted in a congressional hearing that the Obama administration has no long term solution proposed for the debt crisis. I paraphrase, “We have no solution, but we don’t like yours.”  Brilliant!

Non Sequitur

 He’s asking about the domestic price of gasoline, not the global price of oil.

 That’s not a cost of war, that’s a cost of having a military. Had we ramped up the size of the military for the war, there might be an argument to be made there. But we didn’t.

actually it can and did

http://money.howstuffworks.com/oil-speculation-raise-gas-price.htm

Since when is the government in the business of making sure companies make bigger profits?

http://money.howstuffworks.com/oil-speculation-raise-gas-price.htm

Its all here.

Don’t you think we owe it to our women to provide contraception if said women wants it?

No. We don’t owe anyone the stuff they want. Do you think we owe it to everyone to provide them food if they want it? No. People can pay for it.

The Pill is $9 a month. Contraceptives are cheap and widely available. There is no reason to mandate that they be free.

Why no co-pays? What necessary life saving drugs are mandated for free?

 Pablo…

http://money.howstuffworks.com/oil-speculation-raise-gas-price.htm

Free stuff is not freedom. There is no right to free stuff.

That’s really not true. America lags behind numerous countries with respect to health care and Obama campaigned on reforming it. That was a major plank in his platform, in fact. So once elected, the republicans stated in advance their intention to block anything he tries. So what was finally passed was really not the Obama bill. Not even close. Had he been able to pass what he had in mind, we would have a single payer system, that is, socialism, similar to other countries that get far more bang for the buck with respect to health care by taking much of it out of the private sector. The private sector money making off of health care in our country is unconscienably high, higher than anywhere else. But for you, the great boogie man is socialism, but we already have a socialist national security scheme, with a socialist military, socialist road clearing services, and a host of other government owned socialist service industries. And George Washington created the First Bank which was government owned, socialist, without anyone screaming that he was a socialist for doing so. No, this all comes out of the right wing meme that government is evil, which is the main talking point for big corporation.  

You have a surcharge for being idiotic. I paid $ 3.53 this morning.

If Axelrod did it knowing the GOP were stupid enough to bite, he certainly is very smart. It is hard to understand why they would bite, though, assuming you are right.

 Being a real American I would never be a Republican/Tea Party folk. I also happen to love women.Why are the Republican/Tea Party folks so against women.

Free stuff is not freedom? Why not? You’ve never thought about this, have you? There is no right to anything, it is all made up. True, you have a right not to be assaulted and robbed. But that is because the government protects you. In the absence of man made-laws, anyone can attack and steal from you provided they have the strength to do it. The things that are actually natural, like breathing, are free. Even then, someone can stop me from breathing if there is no government to stop them and they happen to be stronger than me.

You repeat slogans but never realize that without a government, life would be ‘nasty, brutish and short’.

Sex, drugs, rock and roll.
All free!

Every hippie’s dream come true.

If you ask Obama in 2008, he blames the President of the US (unfairly,I might add).  Now, I suspect a much more nuanced and complicated response.

Honestly, Obama’s poll numbers will be simply tanking as gas prices jump, and it’s going to be very ugly.  Everyone knows it, but gas drives all prices up, and its mostly unfair to a sitting president, but always happens. 

 make sure you use birth control

 you do know that was an ad bot right?

They are pretty closely related, no?   

What a lousy answer, although your user name is honest.  Just so you know (though you won’t care).  Derivatives DERIVE their value from the asset (see how its in the name), so its not ‘smoke and mirrors’ but always based on what the asset is worth, whether gas or gold or whatever.  When the middle east gets chaotic, gas prices shot up.  When gas producing countries threaten to cut down output of increase prices, they shoot up.

Wall Street isn’t always the bad guy, and not everyone in wall street is corrupt like the former democratic gov of New Jersey… 

Republican/Tea Party folks are not only are against women, we want to throw kittens into wood chippers, starve children, throw elderly into the street, bring back slavery, destroy the air and water, etc. etc

I know this is true because the “folks” at “media matters” say so.

 Apparently you didn’t read the link, but I will repost

http://money.howstuffworks.com/oil-speculation-raise-gas-price.htm

 No dear the world has seen and heard it every time a Republican/Tea Party candidate opens their mouth.

Well, good thing Obama was elected. The country has never been more united. /sarc

Here is a really reductive and simplistic explanation of the Elijah Wood joke:  Elijah the Prophet is a significant figure in Jewish observance.  It’s too complicated to explain the whole thing here, but during the Passover Seder, you set a place for Elijah and pour a cup of wine for him and, after the meal, you open the door to let him enter and have his wine (then you send the kids to the door to look for him and drink some of the wine while they’re gone as proof that he had a drink).  He is not really a messiah; he is kind of quasi-messianic, and he represents a final stage of redemption for the Jews.  I guess the joke about Elijah Wood is that Obama doesn’t know the difference between Elijah Wood and Elijah the Prophet.  Ha ha.

First off, that segment was awesome.

Second off, lay off with the stupid off-topic gas discussion.

Third off, ironic how this comment boards on this site often seem to turn into the sort of “sausage fest” parodied in this segment.

And finally, I get the Elijah Wood joke.

 only landslide you’ll be in is a avalanche of used rubbers. oh wait, thats your typical weekend isn’t it…

I got wood from that joke.

First off, anyone who refers to a comedy segment as awesome is 12.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100138018/mitt-romney-suffers-from-the-weirdo-factor/

The bill that ended the Glass-Stegall Act of 1935, the Grahm-Leach-Bliley bill of 2000 is the ultimate cause of our high gas prices today.  Phil Grahm and two other republicans added a 211 page bill to Clinton’s final budget at the last minute.  The bill did not receive close enough scrutiny or study so we’ve seen the impact of it this last decade.
With republicans weeping and gnashing their collective teeth about Dodd-Frank which actually does very little, repealing Grahm-Leach-Bliley will surly make them apoplectic.

You’re attempt at philosophy came to a screeching halt!  We pay for our protection.  We want you to continue paying for your personal protection.  

The Government is promising you affordable health care, and then telling insurance companies that they have to provide you with free birth control pills.  Like you pointed out – nothing is free in life and the affordable health care just increased.  Basic economics – they are not free to produce and they sure are not free to provide.  

2 problems here.  The religious component of the government demanding a religious organization provide for free, something  they don’t agree with.  

2nd problem – Insurance companies are not charitable organizations.  They provide nothing for free.  

I guess your Mondays opinion is dated – this is Tuesday and there is no war on women.

There is spinning and deflecting of facts.  With women all on birth control – man would not exist.  lol

Really?  What has the world heard?  Exactly which republican/tea party candidate has said “I hate women”?

Yes dear, I’m asking for proof.  Prove that you have any clue about what you are stating with such authority.  

I’m sorry but I have not a freaking clue what you are rambling about.  I gather you hate everyone.  

You realize that Canada does not provide ANY drug for free.  How that became part of “affordable health care” is beyond most.

Just showing how easy it is to assert any conspiracy will full confidence. Looks silly.

I’m sure if there was “state-mandated rape” more than just Virginia women might be outraged – maybe even the odd man might be.

You lose an argument when you advance a lunatic fringe talking point.  

No, you want to choose what the government provides, which is fair enough. I think we should limit as much as possible what the government does. But realize that that is not a principled objection to the idea of government. It is a pragmatic position to keep as much freedom as we can. If you want a world in which you can do what you like, then why would I cooperate? Simple, because you will send the state to protect you from my refusal not rob you, etc. If you manage to do it, don’t delude yourself there is something ‘natural’ about it. Natural is when a line saffocates an antelope to death. The beauty of humans is we override nature with our cooperative systems. Right cannot be natural almost as matter of logic.

As to my attempt at philosophy coming to an end, your opinion as good as anyone else’s.

co-worker’s step-aunt earned $19426 last month. she been working on the internet and bought a $360100 home. All she did was get lucky and put into work the guide laid out on this website……http://alturl.com/7d5on

Why?

Im pretty certain thats not what he said, but good try.

It was politically expedient to include that with the medicare/social security package.

Actually, Republicans see in Josef Stalin their soulmate and role model.

Total control freak, paranoia racked up to a state policy and the classic slogan: “Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.” Their whole “anti-communist” routine is as genuine as a $7 dollar bill. Today’s Republicans are the living heirs to Stalin and the Soviet Communist Party of the 1930s.

 The “Democrats War On Religion” is not being covered in Media Matters Mainstream mostly because, unlike Fox and National Hate Radio, they do try to report on things that have more of a basis in fact than the Tooth Fairy or something equally imaginary–say, for example, “the Democrats War On Religion.”

Let me explain to Mr Low IQ.

1) Short Answer .. Due to a non partisan time table agreed by Congress and many nations worldwide.. that such nations will put increasing pressure on Iran to come back and negotiate in good faith vis a vis  a Nuclear Weapon capability. Iran’s counter strategy is pretty obvious a) Not sell oil to certain Countries b) threaten the straights of Hormuz – through which 1/3 of all oil flows thus banking on the mental midgets back in the USA blaming the black guy for $4 oil in an election year – knowing this strategy can only work till the election.

2) Long answer – the real problem goes back to 1978  when American refused to Listen to Jimmy Carter vis a vis energy independence and thus failed to implement any conservation at all – a period when it would have been easy to reduce Gas Consumption by 50%. But instead American preferred to have constant wars that not only cost trillions, but also by loving gas guzzlers effectively fund the people who you wage war against.

So yes – mass stupidity got us here. Now you have an option – use less gas or bomb Iran. Funny I already know what your “gut ” will be telling you what to do, people do not change, and stupid people remain stupid and ironically are too stupid to acknowledge their own stupidity.

Moron alert. The Chu strategy is correct – but it only works if Gas prices increase via a gas tax and such gas Tax reducing demand. If you had gas Taxes back in 1978 – gas demand would be down by 50% and you would have raised trillions of dollars to spend on Education, health care and Infrastructure. But instead you spent trillions on Wars, funded your enemies, created terrorism and gas is headed ever upward as demand exceeds supply.

And you wonder why 43% of Americans are either in poverty or one crisis away from poverty. May be because 53% of Americans believe that the world was created 5000 years ago and are thus not capable of understanding Steven Chu.So do we listen a moron or to Steven Chu. Only a moron could not figure out the answer. I presume that you are one of the 67% of Republicans who back in 2004 believed that Iraq was behind Sept 11.

Health Insurance is not free, and that’s the point. You have to pay for health insurance weekly out of your check. Idiot.

So I guess you are with the 67% of Republicans who re elected Bush thinking that Iraq caused Sept 11.

 I’m sure you all have noticed the Republican/Tea Party folks have now
proclaimed war on the Girl Scouts of America. Will the love of war the
Republican/Tea Party folks have ever end? Stay tuned for more.

No matter how much you flirt with me it wont work.I don’t care for people who have not moved on from the 1950′s. War on women and Mormons now the girl scouts of America. Will the Republican/Tea Party madness ever end.? I know, get The Sarah Palin in on the race.

War on Women

1.  http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/10/12/341070/house-gop-proposes-so-called-let-women-die-bill-that-lets-hospitals-deny-life-saving-care/

The House is scheduled to vote this week on a new bill that would allow federally-funded hospitals that oppose abortions to refuse to perform the procedure, even in cases where a woman would die without it.

2.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/06/kansas-anti-abortion-bill_n_1258185.html

It is a bill that would allow a doctor to lie to a woman regarding her health or the developing fetus health during a pregnancy if he even suspects that the woman is considering abortion, even if doing so jeopardizes her life.  

3.  http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/10/423346/gop-ups-the-ante-introduces-legislation-to-allow-any-employer-to-deny-any-preventive-health-service/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

“..Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) is pushing an amendment that would permit any employer or insurance plan to exclude any health service, no matter how essential, from coverage if they morally object to it…Under the measure, an insurer or an employer would be able to claim a moral or religious objection to covering HIV/AIDS screenings, Type 2 Diabetes treatments, cancer tests or anything else they deem inappropriate or the result of an “unhealthy” or “immoral” lifestyle. Similarly, a health plan could refuse to cover mental health care on the grounds that the plan believes that psychiatric problems should be treated with prayer”

4.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/14/fetal-personhood-virginia_n_1276824.html

The GOP-controlled Virginia House of Delegates Monday advanced a “fetal personhood” bill that would give legal rights to a human fertilized egg and a measure that would require women seeking abortions to first undergo trans-vaginal ultrasound tests. Delegates rejected an amendment that would have ensured contraception remains legal once the personhood bill goes into effect.

5.http://www.alternet.org/rights/154052/knocked_up%3A_republican_presidential_candidates%27_plan_for_american_women/?page=1

Knocked Up: Republican Presidential Candidates’ Plan for American Women

6.  http://www.alternet.org/activism/154197/4_States_Where_Right-Wingers_Are_Promoting_Shocking_Measures_to_Keep_Women_Barefoot_and_Pregnant/

4 States Where Right-Wingers Are Promoting Shocking Measures to Keep Women Barefoot and Pregnant
The birth control skirmish is not the only regressive, anti-woman, anti-science battle being waged in this country.

7.  http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/republican-plan-redefine-rape-abortion

Drugged, raped, and pregnant? Too bad. Republicans are pushing to limit rape and incest cases eligible for government abortion funding.

8.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/10/obama-birth-control_n_1267677.html

“…the Catholic Bishops don’t even want women referred to places that would provide them with contraception.”

10.  Also, altho the GOP and Bishops would have you think this is some new legislation never heard of before, they’re full of crap:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/controversial-obama-birth-control-rule-already-law?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
http://www.alternet.org/story/154059/5_Big_Lies_About_the_Phony_%27War_on_Religion%27/
http://www.healthcare.gov/news/factsheets/2010/07/preventive-services-list.html

11.  http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/18/428439/video-issa-contraception-hearing/

http://www.google.com/search?q=contraceptive+hearing+in+congress&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#q=contraceptive+hearing+in+congress&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=u&source=univ&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=N_ZDT-6QEqnl0QHp4_ilBw&ved=0CDsQqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=1c7fb7d41534e32f&biw=1024&bih=644

Contraceptive Hearing in Congress A Sham – No women allowed, only men and clergymen?

12.  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/10/1063489/-Senate-Republicans-push-to-weaken-Violence-Against-Women-Act

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/01/29/stateside-new-hampshire-the-gop-war-on-women-continues/

On the second link:  “House Bill 1581 would turn back the clock forty years to an age when a police officer could not make an arrest in a domestic violence case without first getting a warrant unless he or she actually witnessed the crime.” As the NH law now stands, the police can arrest an abuser based on probable cause.

13.  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/28/1059389/-This-week-in-the-War-on-Women:-Public-hangings,-rape-is-a-gift-from-God,-and-cream-of-fetus-soup?utm_source=pulsenews&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29

This week in the War on Women: Public hangings, rape is a gift from God, and cream of fetus soup

FYI: Republicans and Catholic Bishops Deny Facts

1.  Birth control is used for other serious medical conditions, and pregnancy is actually a serious medical condition on its own.
2.  Most preventative care is already no cost, each year more tests, treatments and prescriptions get added to that list.  Birth control is now just one of many covered.  
3.  Because half of the US are women, and 98% use or have used contraceptives, this falls under good for society as a whole.  (including Catholic women)
4.  Pregnancy puts womens lives at risk:
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/PregComplications.htm
http://www.womenshealth.gov/pregnancy/you-are-pregnant/pregnancy-complications.cfm

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/Religion-and-Contraceptive-Use.pdf
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/14/us-most-catholic-women-us-use-birth-cont-idUSTRE73D4SZ20110414
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/07/catholics-support-contraception-mandate_n_1261046.html
http://www.newser.com/story/139192/catholics-back-obamas-birth-control-mandate-poll.html

Also, they want to deny basic to women employees (discrimin­ation) what about patients? An ambulance brings me to the hospital; can they refuse to give me all my medication­s because it is against their ‘company conscience­’? Will they refuse to perform an abortion if I come to the ER with a life threatenin­g pregnancy complicati­on like preeclamps­ia?

Isnt it each individual womans choice to make, not the church or government?  All the government is saying is that each individual women should be free to make the medical choices for herself, based on her beliefs and conscience, rather then having someone else make tha choice for her.  Or in this case, take the choice away from her.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/republican-war-birth-control-contraception

Why don’t Republicans and the Catholic Bishops just say what they really mean:

Women are property and only good for being broodmares. When are you people finally going to introduce legislation that allows men to just tie a woman directly to her bed after he has sex with her, just in case she is pregnant, and once they know for sure, leave her there til she gives birth, just in case she decides this isnt what she wants.

Sure, I agree, veterans would have been injured playing video games at home!  That would have costed even more.

From Ketan’s link:

“The direct costs for the war were about $800 billion, but the indirect costs, the costs you can’t easily see, that payoff will outlast you and me,” said Lawrence Korb, a senior fellow at American Progress, a Washington, D.C. think tank, and a former assistant secretary of defense under Ronald Reagan.

Those costs include interest payments on the billions borrowed to fund the war; the cost of maintaining military bases in Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain to defend Iraq or reoccupy the country if the Baghdad government unravels; and the expense of using private security contractors to protect U.S. property in the country and to train Iraqi forces.Caring for veterans, more than 2 million of them, could alone reach $1 trillion, according to Paul Rieckhoff, executive director of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, in Congressional testimony in July.”So Pablo, you’re saying those costs would be there anyway if we didn’t invade Iraq??

According to your logic then,Republican lawmakers should have no problem with allowing changes in the way speculators do business.Yea,I figured you’d have some other reason,why Repugs won’t support this legislation.If legislation required the speculators to take their orders on oil futures,I’ve read that crude prices would drop at least 25%,and YES,that would correspond to cheaper pump prices.But we really don’t have to worry about that happening while Big Oil controls the campaign cash strings on the GOBP’ers,do we?

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 The unfortunate answer to that question is “When Hell Freeze’s Over”.

It is called the free market – something you espouse to favor.

See, the “end user rule” for commodities trading was lifted by the Bush administration and that opened up oil futures to the full market. Thus, when traders buy oil futures in a panic over whatever, the price of crude goes up. When that happens the oil companies – still part of that free market – raise gasoline prices today even though oil prices are typically 60-90 days out (thus the use of the word ‘futures’).

Interestingly, demand is at a decade low and supply is plentiful, yet prices are going up despite supply/demand. There is no crude oil shortage. Domestic sourcing won’t matter since all oil (and petroleum product) pricing is based on those futures contracts. Again – the free market at work. The free market you say you love and feel is threatened.

By the way, that “end user rule,” that was lifted. Well, that prevented speculators from buying oil futures by requiring that the buyer of futures contracts accept physical delivery of the contracted commodity. The idea of that rule was to prevent the volatility we see in the oil futures markets…and the price of gasoline and other petroleum products. Well, determined “free marketers” like yourself decided that rule was an obstacle to economic growth.

Well, that is why gas costs so much. Because of the free market.

No they cannot, but they can reinstate the end user rule, which used to prevent these wild swings in price.

Even though I like Stewart…He’s becoming the same old same old….yawn

I assume you are joking that you didn’t get the Elijah joke. If not, just ask a Jew or Google “place for Elijah”.

Magnificent. 

If we keep getting entertainment like this, I’d pay $5 a gallon for gas

Says the guy who blames Obama for everything.

Just move to Canada and see what what the best socialized medicine is like – ever the Supreme court has stated that dying while waiting for treatment is calculated into the cost of our healthcare.

In the US 15% of personal bankruptcies are caused by medical bills. In Canada is closer to 20%. Now how can that be?

Simple. Canadians go to the US to get stuff done before they die, while the bureaucrats are making decisions.

There was a lady on TV recently telling her story – after almost 8 months of dithering, she was sent home from hospital. Her husband violated Canadian law by taking her to the Mayo Clinic. In less than 24 hours she had been diagnosed and operated on.

My wife waited in extended agony for almost two years to have a half hour gall bladder operation. The reason it took so long? her skin hadn’t turned yellow. My Mom was refused a hip replacement because of her age and the doctors indifference. And you don’t get to go to the competition in Canada – there aint none!

Actually, the Canadian politicians are beginning to realize that the system will never be fixed, no matter how much money they throw at it, and private clinics are popping up all over.

Our politicians, even the former leader of the Socialist party, have gone to the states to get operations. The best medical are in Canada goes to those in prison – go figger.

Another story I just found looking for the URL for the one I quoted is at http://www.mayoclinic.org/mcitems/mc0900-mc0999/mc0911-19rev0610.pdf. Again Canadians having to travel to the US if they want to stay alive.

 Surely you jest . . .

Because brainless republican conservatives like you want to bomb the hell out of anyone who doesn’t agree with your stupid thinking

 now that’s a lie. It was NOT 1.83 dollars a gallon in 2009. I remember $3-4 a gallon happening while Bush was president. You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.

 Unlike Obama, the Catholic church does not attempt to use gestapo tactics on those that support them. The ban on contraception in the Catholic church is a moral position. In the end, everyone is permitted to make up her own mind on the issue, according to their conscience.

The issue that you and so many other followers of the great one miss is the affront to an organization that has a moral code by making them pay for something that offends that moral code.

You would certainly object to being forced to pay for a membership in the GOP. Or to the Catholic Church. But there’s little difference. The Catholic Church has as one of its tenants of faith that contraception is immoral, and this government has ignored the constitution which states that no law will be made to inhibit the free exercise of religion, and attempted to force them to ignore their moral code and pay for something reprehensible to them.

And I’m not Catholic.

Well this just proves I’m just a “goy”.

The Average is 3.50, so when you can explain why the gas was over 4.50 a gallon under Bush then come back when you learn the real reasons instead of attempting your straw man garbage.

It’s about giving nonfaith employees in nonchurch environments equal rights as anyone else to get them through their health insurance. The same right a Catholic or anyone gets from any other nonchurch employment health insurance. The Catholic Church has many issues with morality. Some severely conflicting! 

It is a Virginia law not a national law so it hasn’t brought out the full outrage just yet. It is however so ridiculous a law that it will eventually be reversed.

That was good very good!

Leading us to default isn’t the way to go is it? 

I jest. See comment I was responding to.

Thank you, thank you. That’s just exactly what I was talking about. Keep it up, you’ll be a legend.

 gestapo tactics? Hyperbolic much?

The issue that you and so many other followers of the great one miss is
the affront to an organization that has a moral code by making them pay
for something that offends that moral code.

Nobody is missing that. It’s pretty much the basic argument that gets repeated many times a day. I hope you understand that we’re not talking about the actual churches but only their affiliates {their many many afficilates} who employ and serve the general public. I hope you also understand that they are not purchasing birth control directly for anyone, and that chrurches don’t get to ignore the law because of thier moral code.

You would certainly object to being forced to pay for a membership
in the GOP. Or to the Catholic Church. But there’s little difference

I actually have to fund plenty of stuff I find morally objectionable through the taxes I pay. It’s the law. That’s how society works.

this government has ignored the constitution

No it hasn’t. Do some research.

It was $4/gallon during the Bush years. It’s even more in Canada and in Europe. 

The GOP practices the politics of Contradeception
http://wordsofwhizdumb.com/2012/02/gop-contradeception.html 

Last things first. Its you that needs to do some research and not rely on Media matters et al for your information.

The supreme court will decide whether or not the whole health care bill is constitutional. The fact that its before the supreme court means that there is serious doubt whether its constitutional or not as a whole; several judges have ruled that it is not!  The fact that the govt attorneys have had to lie to the court in stating that the bill is a tax bill and therefore within their jurisdiction tells you its on shaky ground. And I say this because the support sought during the very limited debate stated that it was NOT a tax. They were lying one time or another.

This affects much more than just the churches in your narrow definition. Hospitals, charities, schools, etc are all part of the “church” – built by, paid for and manned by the church. Your position is untenable.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act says the government cannot
impose a substantial burden on the free exercise of religion.   ” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..”

The corollary is also true  – if the government is forbidden to get involved in the free exercise of your religion, it is equally compelled NOT to require you to do something abhorrent to your beliefs.

And the silliest thing of all you said is that the “church” isn’t paying for it – I know, its free.  Give me a break, that’s a rather irrational statement. The insurance company isn’t giving anything away – its added into the bill. The church pays that bill. That concession was just semantics.

Gestapo Tactics hyperbole? Depends on your point of view. They didn’t start taking everyone to the gas chambers – they began by making jabs here and there to condition the population. They began by propaganda. Then restrictions that most people felt didn’t apply to them. Then ones that were popular with the majority. Then the ones that were popular with the ruling elite.

If you’ve ever read Bonhoffer, (and there’s lots of others as well) you will recall that the attack on the church was subtle and well disguised at first. Hitlers goal was the total decimation of Christianity – for as he said, it was incompatible with Naz ism. The long term goal for America is the emasculation of Christianity, as it is the enemy of progressivism and stateism.

And that’s the philosophical goal of this administration.

 ”remember there are lots of very rich countries you would consider Marxist. Second, politically it is silly to annoy women.”

How about some examples of these very rich countries? I hear a lot of them are going broke! True, some have vast resources they can sell, but that’s a temporary prosperity. But private enterprise prosperity and Marxism seem to me to be opposites.

And second, this legislation IS annoying women. All except the fembos, I guess. Many of those speaking out against it are women. Its not just the issue itself. A Catholic (or other) woman is free to use or not use the pill according to their conscience. But for many, knowing that the money put into the collection box is being used to pay for abortificants is an affront.

Now I know that the lefties have no conscience, but others do, including most of the independents, and its not just the actual legislation as much as the way it was introduced that makes the blood boil, even for those who are OK with the pill, male or female.

To deliberately attack one of the church’s basic tenants just because they thought the majority would follow was insulting and meanspirited. My, how slow they are to learn. . . 

There were many other issues that the HHS could have dealt with that would have helped women, and not required a direct attack on the religious beliefs of a large portion of the population. Women who work even for minimum wage can afford the pill.

 and statistically wrong!

Way to explain this John Stewart, perhaps more people should watch and learn via your humor. I thought the cave man era was over, why are we listening to the very group of people this decision effects; the women?!?!?!

Last things first. Its you that needs to do some research and not rely on Media matters et al for your information.

Glad to have a rational fact based conversation on the subject and look at additional information. Perhaps I jumped to the wrong conclusion because you started off with Gestapo tactics.

I reason I don’t see it as a violation of the constitution is because we already have clear necessary legal precedent to demonstrate that any church or religion is not free to do whatever they wish under the banner of religious freedom.

Let’s add to that , we are not talking about the churches themselves but affiliates that serve and employ the general public. This has been a problem for a couple of decades as the Catholic church continues to expand and own more hospitals , employing more non Catholics.

So, the question of where the line is drawn on religious freedom and exemptions from the law is not as clear as the GOP would like to make it. This issue has already come up on a state level and the Supreme court declined to hear a case in 2004 and again in 2007.

This affects much more than just the churches in your narrow definition.
Hospitals, charities, schools, etc are all part of the “church” – built
by, paid for and manned by the church. Your position is untenable.

They are not manned by the church. I think that’s the issue. That’s exactly the question. Does , or should religious freedom extend to anything the church owns. It’s far from an obvious yes. The problem is that a yes creates a lot of other issues. There are good reasons why it should not.  What if Christian Scientists own hospitals, Jehovah’s witness?

And the silliest thing of all you said is that the “church” isn’t paying
for it – I know, its free.  Give me a break, that’s a rather irrational
statement. The insurance company isn’t giving anything away – its added
into the bill. The church pays that bill. That concession was just
semantics.

That is not my argument. The church also pays their employees a paycheck that they know will be used to purchase all kinds of things they don’t approve of , including birth control. They rationalize that as acceptable to their religious conscience issue how exactly? By saying it’s no longer their money? The same perception can be used on insurance. It’s part of the employees wages and the church is not directly buying anything. They are buying an insurance package for the employee, and then the employee chooses what their needs are.
They have no way of knowing if an employee will or won’t use their insurance for birth control. There is no need for them to perceive this as a violation of their religious conscience any more than the employees paycheck. They simply are making it an issue, when a simple shift in perception solves the problem. 

The long term goal for America is the emasculation of Christianity, as it is the enemy of progressivism and stateism.

And that’s the philosophical goal of this administration.

Utter nonsense.

This is only true if Conservative Christianity is the only true Christianity , and as much as some like to think that’s the case, it’s simply not true.

There are liberal and progressive Christian groups who supported this initiative, as well as other liberal progressive positions. Christianity doesn’t need to fade away simply because certain conservative views are eventually left behind. The contraceptive issue is a great example. Catholic leadership talks of it’s religious conscience for this arcane outdated belief while their own membership tends to ignore it. Why don’t they address that issue?
It is right for society to challenge religious belief  and tradition in it’s need to progress and grow.