Kellerman . Nitwit of the Year .

This moron said the same thing when this Vick story first happened. He is a washed up idiot who is trying to get his name back out there. Newsflash–NO ONE cares about boxing anymore, so he will never get another job.

Does Kellerman not know that some cultures DO eat dogs? In East Asia, they are eaten all the time. Korea, VietNam, etc. all consider it a delicacy.

Oy vey.

Why not boycott eating all birds, fish, reptiles, insects, plants????

Stupid point Kellerman, from a stupid Fu(k!

Isn’t Max Kellermann a boxing dude?

If so, all of his inferences are going to be based on blood sport. He keeps on hoping he can be Howard Cosell but he has no Ali for rapport.

“People like Tucker have this kind of an emotional reaction to harming dogs specifically because dogs were engineered for companionship – mainly because they didn’t grow large enough to be a cheap source of protein, and they don’t taste very good to us…pigs, on the other hand, do grow very large, do taste good to us, and therefore are a great cheap source of protein.”

I see what he was trying to say but that still is a f*cking stupid statement.

Woohoo…strap the flesh off the side of a pig!

I still like bacon

There only cheap source of protein if you subsidize the corn.

Considering Kellerman and a pig contain the same IQ .. I’m starting to see his point.

Whenever someone prefaces something by bringing up religion like: “I’m a Christian but…”, you just KNOW they’re gonna say some fucked up shit.

Thelonious Funk said:
There only cheap source of protein if you subsidize the corn.

Well, now that we growing a large % of our corn to fuel our cars maybe we’ll be eating fewer of them.

Will that lighten that dark cloud he’s under?

Pigs are smarter than dogs, so Kellerman does have a point.

Cultural mores out weigh his logic. It is a ridiculous argument.

I am a vegetarian so I can complain. Vick is an amoral dog killing scumbag who doesn’t deserve a second chance. The only job he deserves to have is cleaning public restrooms.

To call Kellerman a pig would be an insult to pigs.

lazzzlo said:
Isn’t Max Kellermann a boxing dude?

If so, all of his inferences are going to be based on blood sport. He keeps on hoping he can be Howard Cosell but he has no Ali for rapport.

I see what he was trying to say but that still is a f*cking stupid statement.

isn’t Tucker a political dude?

Where is my loyal lovable pet dog Fluffy??
Fluffy was grabbed up by members of the Dog fighting “sport”
Fluffy became a training bait dog.
Meaning Fluffy was tossed into a ring and savagely killed by fight dogs.
Max should spread some peanut butter on his taint and enter the ring!

The last time I ate pork it didn’t come from a pig that fought another pig to the death while perople like Vick stood around cheering and betting money on which pig would survive.The pork I ate didn’t come from a pig chained to a 3 ft square cinder block box or a pig that had spent it’s life being starved and beaten to make it as mean as possible.

Fact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBpYQ7e9uQw
Tax the pig CNN lovers!

Another dumb lib uttering another dumb comment.

Let see- libs embrace dog murderers, terrorists and all who hate America.

What a bunch of losers libs are.

Jelperman said:
Pigs are smarter than dogs, so Kellerman does have a point.

They are certainly smarter than you, and if you wore a hat, we wouldn’t see your point.

That has got to be the stupidest argument I’ve seen in a while.

As though there is no difference between eating meat and in training animals to fight to the death and then electrocuting them or drowning them, when they aren’t ferocious enough.

It’s complete crap.

Chickens are considered some of the least intelligent creatures on the planet, but despite THAT there are laws that have rightly made distinctions between KFC and cock fighting!

dhg said:
The last time I ate pork it didn’t come from a pig that fought another pig to the death while perople like Vick stood around cheering and betting money on which pig would survive.The pork I ate didn’t come from a pig chained to a 3 ft square cinder block box or a pig that had spent it’s life being starved and beaten to make it as mean as possible.

You’re right – the last pig you ate didn’t die that way. This is probably how it died: http://www.hyfoma.com/en/content/food-branches-processing-manufacturing/meat-fish-shrimps/pig-slaughtering/

Basically, they are rendered unconscious, held upside down on a rail, and have their carotid artery or jugular cut causing them to bleed out. Afterwards, they are dropped into scalding fluid so their skin can be removed.

Keep in mind, this troubles me, but not enough to stop eating meat. In fact, I just enjoyed some delicious bacon with my breakfast. But it’s worth thinking about how we treat our food animals in addition to our pets. I recommend the book “Eating Animals” by Jonathan Safran Foer.

“Vick, Kellerman said, was on the “demand side” of such an industry – except, of course, that dogs are “lower life forms.” While calling pigs as a whole “higher life forms” than dogs as a whole seems an awfully broad statement”

Since Kellerman considers dogs, who have the good sense to resist being forced into a fighting ring, “lower life forms”, then he must consider humans who freely choose to get their heads pummeled in a boxing ring, turning themselves into blubbering fools like Mike Tyson or getting Parkinson’s Disease like Muhammad Ali, even “lower life forms”.

I would agree with that.

@Rescuedog, “Keep in mind, this troubles me, but not enough to stop eating meat.”

I think most people would stop eating meat if they were forced to watch their meat being “made”. I always say if you can’t watch your food being produced you have no business eating it.

As Sir Paul McCartney, a famous vegetarian, once said, “if slaughterhouses had glass walls we would all be vegetarian”.

At least the ones with consciences would.

libra blue said:
I think most people would stop eating meat if they were forced to watch their meat being “made”. I always say if you can’t watch your food being produced you have no business eating it.

As Sir Paul McCartney, a famous vegetarian, once said, “if slaughterhouses had glass walls we would all be vegetarian”..

I agree entirely.

If people saw the the process of sh!t coming out of animals then being used for fertilizer to grow the vegetables that vegetarians love to eat, they would stop eating them too. Pigs, cows and other animals we eat are here for our pleasure. If you choose to partake in eating them, then great, if not–have fun with your soy burger while you dream about an Angus beef bacon cheeseburger.

Carlson was asked to host a show because he is popular, who happened to make an outrageous statement. Kellerman is a has-been who is making outrageous statements to try to get some sort of popularity back. Meanwhile, he is begging radio shows and other tv programs to have him on. He is a 48 year old wigger who is trying desperately to gain respect among the black community by defending one of their new-found heroes.

Cecelia said:
I agree entirely.

I think this is perhaps both generational and urban vs rural.

Although I was born and raised in a big city my Grandparents had 12 acres north of the lake on a spring fed river. When I was very young Papa still had a cow and a few pigs but he always had a big barnyard. During the Depression that was more from necessity. I can remember gathering eggs (unbelievably delicious) and sometimes going out to to get a few chickens for dinner. My Mama could dispatch a chicken so smooth and fast you almost missed it..

Until the market closed when I was already married my Mama and I always got all our poultry, plus rabbits, from the live poultry market. All the men in my family, even today, were avid hunters and fisherman. In the good old days that meant we “wimmin folk” dressed the game and fish and the chickens from the yard too.

I know exactly where my food comes from and what needs to happen to put it on my table and I’m OK with it. Those who aren’t OK with it should naturally do what they are comfortable with.

My objection is to people who want to impose their squeamishness (too harsh? – maybe) on me and others.

Cecelia, I wanted to tell you I saw your comment re KO. Excellent piece!.

Michael Vick tried having two carrots fight to the death, but they wouldn’t cooperate.

Media rule #34:

In a slow news week, find some imbecile with a controversial opinion on a subject that has been beaten to death (sorry – Michael Vick pun intended) and put him or her on the air.

Smug idiot located. Vapid opinion aired. Mission accomplished.

“… he’s probably on to something in that if more meat eaters carefully considered what happens to the animals they eat…well, we might have less meat eaters.”

We would have more responsible carnivores. Diabetes, heart disease and cancer are modern epidemics that stem from diet and genetics. Many of our diseased population are gluttons. But condemning humanity for eating meat in defense of a professional athlete who tortured and killed animals is a ridiculously inane syllogism, even by Commie News Network’s standards. If our porcine FDA were doing its job, there would be higher industry standards guiding the humane and ethical treatment of farmed food. Consumers could do their job educating themselves as to where their food comes from. But none of this excuses or has any relation to Vick’s depraved torture of companion animals in his VA concentration camp.

As a vegetarian I feel good knowing that no creature had to suffer for me to have a meal and in return I am enjoying a life free of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, and other food related diseases.

Cecelia said:
That has got to be the stupidest argument I’ve seen in a while.

As though there is no difference between eating meat and in training animals to fight to the death and then electrocuting them or drowning them, when they aren’t ferocious enough.

It’s complete crap.

Cecelia said:
Chickens are considered some of the least intelligent creatures on the planet, but despite THAT there are laws that have rightly made distinctions between KFC and cock fighting!

There’s not as much difference between the way animals are treated on factory farms and dog or cockfighting or other forms of animal cruelty. It’s not like in the old days when the butcher would slit the animal’s throat, or the farmer would chop off its head or shoot it.

There’s a very good book by Matthew Scully called Dominion, about the cruelty that goes on in factory farms. http://tinyurl.com/2vsvzq7

libra blue said:
As a vegetarian I feel good knowing that no creature had to suffer for me to have a meal and in return I am enjoying a life free of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, and other food related diseases.

Bullshit. In order for an animal (any animal -including humans) to live, another living thing has to be killed or injured. That’s how nature works. By the way, I’m not including the countless animals killed and maimed in the process of growing plants for food. How exactly do you think farmers keep rabbits, birds, insects and rodents from eating their produce? A restraining order?

dhg said:
The last time I ate pork it didn’t come from a pig that fought another pig to the death while perople like Vick stood around cheering and betting money on which pig would survive.The pork I ate didn’t come from a pig chained to a 3 ft square cinder block box or a pig that had spent it’s life being starved and beaten to make it as mean as possible.

My thoughts as well.

By Kellerman’s analogy if you eat pork it’s OK to stomp a dog to death.

I know what Jelperman means. The other day I was getting ready to bake a potato and it didn’t want to go into the oven. I had to Taser it.

That should be, “there might be FEWER meat eaters.”

“People like Tucker have this kind of an emotional reaction to harming dogs specifically because dogs were engineered for companionship – mainly because they didn’t grow large enough to be a cheap source of protein, and they don’t taste very good to us…pigs, on the other hand, do grow very large, do taste good to us, and therefore are a great cheap source of protein.”

These issues are culturally related and Max Kellerman clearly points out the hypocrisy of so many people on this issue. Pigs are a higher life form than dogs. In America we eat pigs but do not eat dogs. In some country eating dogs is common. I have lived in such a country but I did not eat dog. I never judged people who did. Some Americans co-workers there ate dog. Who are we to judge. If you are a vegetarian then I respect your position. If you are not you are a hypocrite. As Melissa Harris-Perry clearly demonstrated in her article on the Nation website the Michael Vick controversy is not just about dogs.

http://www.thenation.com/print/blog/157372/michael-vick-racial-history-and-animal-rights

Right, armwood. It’s about torturing animals. No one should do that. Including Michael Vick.

@Jelperman, “Bullshit”.

You should really cut back on your meat consumption, it has made you a hostile person. Just keep stuffing your face and nature will take its course.

possumdearie said:
“… he’s probably on to something in that if more meat eaters carefully considered what happens to the animals they eat…well, we might have less meat eaters.”

We would have more responsible carnivores. Diabetes, heart disease and cancer are modern epidemics that stem from diet and genetics. Many of our diseased population are gluttons. But condemning humanity for eating meat in defense of a professional athlete who tortured and killed animals is a ridiculously inane syllogism, even by Commie News Network’s standards. If our porcine FDA were doing its job, there would be higher industry standards guiding the humane and ethical treatment of farmed food. Consumers could do their job educating themselves as to where their food comes from. But none of this excuses or has any relation to Vick’s depraved torture of companion animals in his VA concentration camp.

I have a simple question what makes dogs so much different from other animals? It is simply a cultural tradition of breeding them as pets. Cruelty to animals is wrong. Talk to someone who has worked in a slaughterhouse. It is not something that most people would want to see. All of us who eat meat are part of a system which tortures animals. The real question is why Vick is being singled out? Morally we all should be vegetarians. We should end the practice of enslaving animals for food. Patrick Stewart, in an episode of “Star Trek, The Next Generation” brags about the Federation’s culture in one episode saying “we no longer enslave animals for food” Maybe in the future people will look at us as barbaric. I wish I could live long enough to see.

writer said:
Right, armwood. It’s about torturing animals. No one should do that. Including Michael Vick.

Then do you eat meat? Do you eat pork? If the answer to either question is true you are an accomplice to the torture of animals and thus a hypocrite. The end of the story.

No, armwood. I always ask the butcher if the animals have been tortured first. As long as the torturing has been performed by a black man, I’m good with it.

writer said:
No, armwood. I always ask the butcher if the animals have been tortured first. As long as the torturing has been performed by a black man, I’m good with it.

Very intelligent response, troll!

armwood, you’re the one equating having a chicken dinner with tasering a dog when it won’t fight to the death. You are indeed very intelligent!

armwood said:
The real question is why Vick is being singled out?

Maybe because it fits his accusers’ politics?

Another real question is why are you defending him specifically?

Maybe because it fits your politics?

I agree that perhaps someday human beings will rise above eating animals (I’m a StarTrek fan, as well). I don’t agree defending Michael Vick is the way to get there.

Just what does “eating pork” have to do with torturing and killing dogs for sport and personal enjoyment?

And what about veal eaters? Young cows cramped into way too-small pens so they don’t develop muscles and are forced to sleep in their own feces? I haven’t eaten veal since I was a teenager and heard that fact.

Sue said:
Just what does “eating pork” have to do with torturing and killing dogs for sport and personal enjoyment?

I think it is safe to say that sport and personal entertainment is equally important to our American way of life as nutrients from food. I believe the point he is trying to make is “eating pork” is not really that different in that we torture and kill these animals for our culinary enjoyment when, as our vegetarian friends here have pointed out, we don’t really need to.

I don’t agree with his argument because I’m an American and I choose to buy into some of our cultural acceptance of injustices regarding eating other living creatures because I’m enjoy it. What he says is absolutely true and logical, but many of us have chosen to accept it in favor of our chosen quality of life.

He is basically pointing out that there is a double standard in our culture and bringing to light how fucking stupid this pencil neck geek Tucker Carlson and anyone who agrees with him is.

Nacho said:
the point he is trying to make is “eating pork” is not really that different in that we torture and kill these animals for our culinary enjoyment when, as our vegetarian friends here have pointed out, we don’t really need to.

Aren’t plants living beings vegetarians “torture and kill for their culinary enjoyment?” Why is it OK to discriminate against plant-life, but not animal-life. Aren’t you leftist “intellectuals” being mean-spirited concerning our leafy friends and providers of our precious clean air?

I get Kellerman’s position, but it is flawed. We don’t allow pig fighting either.

Sue said:
Just what does “eating pork” have to do with torturing and killing dogs for sport and personal enjoyment?

Because pigs are generally smarter animals than dogs.

http://www.humanecarolina.org/intelligenceofpigs.html

Pigs are routinely tortured during the process of killing them for food.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/157140/smithfield-torturing-animals

Powerslave said:
Maybe because it fits his accusers’ politics?

Another real question is why are you defending him specifically?

Maybe because it fits your politics?

I agree that perhaps someday human beings will rise above eating animals (I’m a StarTrek fan, as well). I don’t agree defending Michael Vick is the way to get there.

Where Have I defended Michael Vick? You are putting words in my mouth I never uttered. Do you not understand the distinction between pointing out the hypocrisy of most of Vick’s critiques and defending Vick? I have repeatedly said the torture of animals is wrong. I have said what Vick did was “barbaric”. Then you falsely state that I am defending. Do you have difficulties with reading comprehension? Or do you enjoy purposefully distorting peoples views because it is easier for you to create a phony straw person to attack?

writer said:
armwood, you’re the one equating having a chicken dinner with tasering a dog when it won’t fight to the death. You are indeed very intelligent!

Where have I even mentioned chickens. You do not need to put false words in my mouth to make your argument.

All of us who eat meet are specifically complicit in the torture of animals. Pigs are undisputedly more intelligent than dogs. Watch this video documenting the torture of pigs. My point is clear. Torture of animals is barbaric. Our singling out of dogs for protection is based on a cultural basis in favor of dogs. If you travel around the world you will find that in other cultures people feel differently. InHindu culture killing and eating beef is barbaric. In some parts of East Asia like the Republic of Korea eating dog is legal and commonplace. It is all culturally determined. While I was working in Korea many people asked me why were Americans acting so strangely prosecuting Michael Vick? I had to explain the place that dogs hold in American culture. It is no different than little kids who cry when hunters kill deer (Bambi) claiming to be engaged in a sport. It all depends on your cultural perspective. My problem is with the hypocrisy,

99.9999% of Americans see dogs as lovable pets…mans best friend.
This is all about the loony left defending a black man and his horrendous criminal activity. How can we blame this on white people….it is always whiteys fault.
What if this torturing and murdering of dogs was perpetrated by John Rocker instead of Michael Vick?? The Looney left would make the story all about dumb white Jesus loving rednecks and Tea Party member’s……and Obama would not be making any phone calls thanking the Braves for giving Rocker a 2nd chance.

dummy123 said:
99.9999% of Americans see dogs as lovable pets…mans best friend.
This is all about the loony left defending a black man and his horrendous criminal activity. How can we blame this on white people….it is always whiteys fault.
What if this torturing and murdering of dogs was perpetrated by John Rocker instead of Michael Vick?? The Looney left would make the story all about dumb white Jesus loving rednecks and Tea Party member’s……and Obama would not be making any phone calls thanking the Braves for giving Rocker a 2nd chance.

“This is all about the loony left defending a black man and his horrendous criminal activity” If it was John Rocker this story would have died a long time ago. you really think Jesus was white? He was not from Europe, my goodness, learn some geography. Not everyone in the world shares your cultural bias. I personally share your love for dogs. I have had them as pets and plan to get in a few years when I retire. I have experienced living in a culture where people eat dogs. It was strange for me but I understand the cultural differences.

When Michael Vick was bankrolling and an active participant is this dog torturing and murdering operation, did he consult or involve any of the dozens of accountants,lawyers,agent, or PR people he employed??? He was a 100 million dollar corporation at the time of the crime.

NO he did not. This was all funded on the down-low.
He knew this was illegal deplorable criminal activity!!!!

armwood said:
“This is all about the loony left defending a black man and his horrendous criminal activity” If it was John Rocker this story would have died a long time ago. you really think Jesus was white? He was not from Europe, my goodness, learn some geography. Not everyone in the world shares your cultural bias. I personally share your love for dogs. I have had them as pets and plan to get in a few years when I retire. I have experienced living in a culture where people eat dogs. It was strange for me but I understand the cultural differences.

you are dummy 01

dummy123 said:
you are dummy 01

Such a provocative and articulate comment from a troll!

dummy123 said:
When Michael Vick was bankrolling and an active participant is this dog torturing and murdering operation, did he consult or involve any of the dozens of accountants,lawyers,agent, or PR people he employed??? He was a 100 million dollar corporation at the time of the crime.

NO he did not. This was all funded on the down-low.
He knew this was illegal deplorable criminal activity!!!!

Obviously it was both illegal and immoral. The point that you do not seen to be able to understand however is that we all are complicit in torturing animals for food and hunters do it for sport. I don’t see you criticizing Sarah Palin for savagely slaughtering an animal on television for nothing more than show boating. Look at the hypocrisy! Look at the video of the maltreatment of pigs. Use your brain and reflect and think a little. Move outside your little, self imposed box.

armwood said:
Where Have I defended Michael Vick? You are putting words in my mouth I never uttered. Do you not understand the distinction between pointing out the hypocrisy of most of Vick’s critiques and defending Vick? I have repeatedly said the torture of animals is wrong. I have said what Vick did was “barbaric”. Then you falsely state that I am defending. Do you have difficulties with reading comprehension? Or do you enjoy purposefully distorting peoples views because it is easier for you to create a phony straw person to attack?

Calm down, old boy. Your going to give yourself an anuerism. And why do you immediately resort to personal attacks? Did I personally attack you? No, I didn’t. This is a political discussion, if you can’t compose yourself and act in a responsible matter then you should rethink participating in this discussion.

You seem like an intelligent, educated individual. However, when you go for the vile, personal attacks you lose much of your credibility.

armwood said:
If you are a vegetarian then I respect your position. If you are not you are a hypocrite.

BTW, when you make blanket statements about huge portions of the population you also lose credibility.

Powerslave said:
Calm down, old boy. Your going to give yourself an anuerism. And why do you immediately resort to personal attacks? Did I personally attack you? No, I didn’t. This is a political discussion, if you can’t compose yourself and act in a responsible matter then you should rethink participating in this discussion.

You seem like an intelligent, educated individual. However, when you go for the vile, personal attacks you lose much of your credibility.

Have you taken the time to look at the personal attacks on me? do you expect me not to respond when attacked? I am not Michael Dukakis. Do not blame me if I am better able to respond the the people who attack me.

Credibility is not even a concern on this blog. It does not exist I am ganged up on all the time and called names. Do you think these people upset me. If so why would i remain here. I am not a masochist. They ignorance is somewhat entertaining. It’s interesting to see how some people think. Especially those you disagree with. don’t you think so?

Powerslave said:
BTW, when you make blanket statements about huge portions of the population you also lose credibility.

Why don’t you criticize all of the posters here who constantly attack people like me as lefties as slur liberals. Your hypocrisy removes your wak attempt to position yourself as an impartial arbiter. Quite frankly I do not need anyone here to validate my credibility.

Yes, armwood. Even animals used for food should not be kept in conditions that amount to torture. But why not be honest. The reason your panties are in such a bunch over this is because Vick is black. And you can never just say a black person has committed a heinous act and let it go at that. You feel the need to offer reams and reams of excuses that you wouldn’t be offering if a white man had committed the same offense.

writer said:
Yes, armwood. Even animals used for food should not be kept in conditions that amount to torture. But why not be honest. The reason your panties are in such a bunch over this is because Vick is black. And you can never just say a black person has committed a heinous act and let it go at that. You feel the need to offer reams and reams of excuses that you wouldn’t be offering if a white man had committed the same offense.

That is a lie. You can read my posts and see that I have repeatedly said that. Have you know integrity. Aren’t you intelligent enough without outright lies that can be clearly seen as lies by scrolling above. You use race as a tool. You use it poorly. You are obviously intimidated by a black man who is intellectually superior to you. Get over it. That is life.

If a guy who tortures dogs is ‘intellectually superior’, then I can live with being ‘inferior’.

BTW armwood. For someone so intelligent, your posts often refer to anyone disagreeing with you as being less intellectual and intelligent than yourself. You do realize that’s arrogance, don’t you? You should ‘no’ that.

writer said:
If a guy who tortures dogs is ‘intellectually superior’, then I can live with being ‘inferior’.

What are you talking about? I was talking about me being intellectually superior, not Michael Vick.

I do not apologize for being arrogant in the fact of the ignorant bigotry exhibited on this blog. Why don’t you attack some the poster her exhibit overt racism? You have a problem with me because you disagree with my views and you do not have the ability to defend your in a cogent, articulate manner. That’s your problem. Do not project your inferiority complex on me. I am secure in whom I am. I take time to rigorously study issues before taking an opinion. A lot of people here just like bar fights. I can go there but I prefer a serious discussion about issues. Unfortunately many posters here are incapable or unwilling to do that. If you can’t handle the heat get out of the kitchen.

“What are you talking about? I was talking about me being intellectually superior, not Michael Vick.”

“You are obviously intimidated by a black man who is intellectually superior to you.”

Yes, armwood. I see what I’m dealing with here in trying to have a discussion with you.

writer said:
“What are you talking about? I was talking about me being intellectually superior, not Michael Vick.”

“You are obviously intimidated by a black man who is intellectually superior to you.”

Yes, armwood. I see what I’m dealing with here in trying to have a discussion with you.

When have you tried. I would enjoy having a discussion with you. I will try again. Max Kellerman points out the hypocrisy of pork eaters, of whom I am one, (had some home made pork and shrimp sumi, dim sum) today, who condem the torture of dogs while being complicit in the tortue of pigs who are a more intelligent animal. I agree with him. I totally oppose the torture of any animals. I actually think eating meat is wrong and the wonderful ribeye I had at Long Horn last night was morally wrong. I feel that singling out Vick, a man who has paid his debt to society is wrong, especially saying he should have been executed. This to me comes from a long tradition of American racism. What is your opinion?

As an animal lover, I do see some hypocrisy in eating meat. I’ve given up red meat but haven’t yet been able to make the leap to vegetarianism. And I don’t think Vick should have been executed. But I’m still unable to make the stretch that whenever I eat fish sticks, I’m on the same level as someone who tortures dogs for sport. It’s not singling Vick out for his race. Anyone who did what he did, I’d still see it as a reprehensible act. Saying Vick has served time and should be given a second chance, yeah maybe. Comparing him with anyone who eats meat, I don’t buy it.

writer said:
As an animal lover, I do see some hypocrisy in eating meat. I’ve given up red meat but haven’t yet been able to make the leap to vegetarianism. And I don’t think Vick should have been executed. But I’m still unable to make the stretch that whenever I eat fish sticks, I’m on the same level as someone who tortures dogs for sport. It’s not singling Vick out for his race. Anyone who did what he did, I’d still see it as a reprehensible act. Saying Vick has served time and should be given a second chance, yeah maybe. Comparing him with anyone who eats meat, I don’t buy it.

I am with you on this, I agree. My real problem is with those who think it is OK to hunt for sport, not food, that I are hypocritical continually beating up on Vick. As I say I eat meat, I have even guiltily eaten whale meat at an extremely expensive dinner I was treated to in Busan. It would have been extremely impolite to refuse to eat food when you are the guest of someone spending over $700.00 for a dinner for two with no alcohol. I felt guilty about the whale but not the rest of the wonderful raw fish.

sorry armwood, but 700.00 for dinner for two, the person you went out to eat with was a fool

cjd ohio 1 said:
sorry armwood, but 700.00 for dinner for two, the person you went out to eat with was a fool

No, he was an extremely kind, wealthy medical doctor. He and his wife, also a doctor, are two of the nicest people I have ever met. They are dedicated Christians who put their faith into practice. They are two remarkable people who had a tremendous impact on me at a time when I was living alone, and seriously ill, in a foreign country. They lovingly nursed me back to health.

He actually took me to this incredible restaurant twice.

i am glad they helped you in a time when you needed it. it was not a shot at you either. but poor , stupid people like me look at 700.00 for dinner as foolish……in my world that feeds a family for close to a month

cjd ohio 1 said:
i am glad they helped you in a time when you needed it. it was not a shot at you either. but poor , stupid people like me look at 700.00 for dinner as foolish……in my world that feeds a family for close to a month

I totally understood. Heck yeah, me too, I was literally shocked. The waitress was amazing. She spoke 5 languages and sat and talked with us for about. 15 minutes. I, like you work hard for to little money.

It was nice though to see how the other side lives. I would have however been happy with eating some hwe (Korean style raw fish) at a tent restaurant near the beach with heaters in the winter. I do not need fancy. I would never spend 1/7 of that much on a meal for my wife and I. The truth is she wouldn’t allow me to. She controls the money.

The doctors wife returned to Korea recently from working in Uganda East Africa for six months as a missionary doctor. I contact them every holiday.

well we do agree woman are in charge of the money and homes lol, glad to see you married a smart one

cjd ohio 1 said:
well we do agree woman are in charge of the money and homes lol, glad to see you married a smart one

Yes, I married an old fashioned Hakka, Chinese woman from Malaysia who does not play. I have learned over the year through trial and a lot of error that it is better to listen to her and do things her way. She is usually right.

armwood said:
Yes, I married an old fashioned Hakka, Chinese woman from Malaysia who does not play. I have learned over the year through trial and a lot of error that it is better to listen to her and do things her way. She is usually right.

years

i am glad you two are so happy, most of the time its better to follow the laws they lay down, pick you fights carefully with her. lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
i am glad you two are so happy, most of the time its better to follow the laws they lay down, pick you fights carefully with her. lol

Yep! And we still can’t win those! lol.