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Tucker Carlson: “I Think Personally [Michael Vick] Should Have Been Executed”

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Tucker Carlson again filled in for Sean Hannity on Hannity tonight, and couldn’t resist, as others already had, delving into the issue of President Obama praising Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie for giving quarterback Michael Vick a second chance following Vick’s prison sentence for dog fighting. And while Carlson said he “believe[s] fervently in second chances,” he didn’t in Vick’s case. At all.

Carlson differentiated between Vick and others because Vick “killed dogs…in a heartless and cruel way.” This is true. But what Carlson believed to be the proper punishment for Vick is sure to get some attention:

“I think, personally, he should have been executed for that.”

Whoa. The conversation eventually turned to whether it was appropriate for Obama to weigh in on this matter at all (although, as the White House said, the primary focus of Obama’s discussion with Lurie was alternative energy) – golfer Ben Crenshaw, on the panel for some reason, came off as a Vick supporter but sounded unsure of whether the president should be discussing the matter. Republican strategist Leslie Sanchez voiced similar views, whereas Fox News contributor Doug Schoen didn’t see an issue with Obama’s comments.

The most notable aspect of the discussion, though, was still Carlson’s “executed” line, for the sheer extreme nature of it. There’s no question Vick has done terrible things, but to hear a pundit openly opine that a prominent person should have received the death penalty – and being completely sincere in doing it – is not something you’ll see too often. Video of the clip, via Fox News, below.

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  • Sean68

    I think Tucker was engaging in a bit of hyperbole. I think people who hire illegal immigrants should be executed.

  • Sean68

    By the way, fingers and toes are crossed that Barry is forced to make a clarifying comment!

  • hanniballa

    Tucker used to be more measured in his words, that being said. Tucker wasn’t being serious.

  • Nacho

    Tucker wants a full time job on Fox News and he apparently knows what it takes.

  • Gasket

    Sean68 said:
    I think Tucker was engaging in a bit of hyperbole. I think people who hire illegal immigrants should be executed.

    LOL! You can not even “refudiate” his comment. Would you be calling it harmless hyperbole if a liberal had said it?

    Tucker is an asshole for that comment. He better not show up in PA or some people might be tempted to show him what a worthless little cretin he is.

  • Pablo

    Finally, Tucker Carlson has been outed! You dog lover!

  • Pablo

    That is over the top, though, and he wasn’t laughing when he said it. A little much, Tucker. Let’s save the executing for people who can’t run like that.

    Damn! Inside voice, inside voice, inside voice….

  • LeviCoult

    I think people who call for people’s execution should be executed… oh wait…

  • da-wdc

    Carlson doesn’t seem to take anything seriously & none of his comments are worth taking seriously either. Though I do wonder what kind of a Christian glibly asserts that a man should be executed, like it’s some kind of a joke.

    Meanwhile.. I thought Mike Vick would be putting on a show here against Minnesota, but unless Philly wakes up now like they did in the Giants game, I guess it’s not happening. I’m disappointed.

  • libra blue

    Doug Schoen must be on drugs. It is obvious that Vick’s “community service” is self serving. Celebrities always get second, third, and fourth chances.

    So I guess if Charlie Manson could throw a football that old guy Ben Crenshaw would give him a “second chance”.

    Tucker was absolutely right about Vick’s so-called rehabilitation, it is “like the Donner Party becoming spokesmen for vegetarianism”.

  • fanofamerica

    Gasket said:
    LOL! You can not even “refudiate” his comment. Would you be calling it harmless hyperbole if a liberal had said it?

    Tucker is an asshole for that comment. He better not show up in PA or some people might be tempted to show him what a worthless little cretin he is.

    I think strong dislike for heartless creeps who kill dogs is a bipartisan issue.

    And how ’bout them Vikings?

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    If Vick killed a animal of mine like he did those dogs, I would kill him myself.

  • Nacho

    gordonbloyershow said:
    If Vick killed a animal of mine like he did those dogs, I would kill him myself.

    As an American, do you have the right to kill one of you own animals by how you find most efficient?

  • Nacho

    In your opinion…

  • Pablo

    Great Googly Moogly!

    “If this was in China, do you think the Chinese would have called off the game?” Mr Rendell said.

    “The people would have been marching down to the stadium. They would have walked and they would have been doing calculus on the way down,”

  • libra blue

    “New Rule: Now that Michael Vick is injured, and can’t compete on Sundays, he must be put down.
    - Bill Maher in his ‘New Rules’ segment 10/8/10.”

  • Nacho

    Pablo said:
    Great Googly Moogly!

    “If this was in China, do you think the Chinese would have called off the game?” Mr Rendell said.

    “The people would have been marching down to the stadium. They would have walked and they would have been doing calculus on the way down,”

    Wrong article, amigo.

  • ganymede

    This story is basically a story of redemption. Whether you want to get it or not, Obama is trying to teach the hard-hearted ‘conservative’ Americans that redemption is not only a possibility but a necessity for us collectively as a people. We Americans, especially the rightwingers have lost our way and become a nation of greedy, selfish, self-seeking people interested only in our most immediate needs. I don’t mean it as a pun, but we’ve created a world that is truly dog eat dog. This all becomes clear when an opportunistic brute like Carlson spells it out for all to see. It’s like Bush promoting record numbers of executions as governor of Texas and desroying Iraq, etc. We certainly are no longer practicing anything remotely like genuine Christian or Jewish charity. We make war unnessarily on other people, we won’t take care of our own people in need, and we glorify and elevate the rich. Talk about collective shame and the incredible amount of denial such as you see on this website. On top of that we’ve become alienated from the rest of the world who think we are going insane and losing control of the qualities that have made us a great nation. They’re probably right and maybe it’s time we got off this negative binge before we’re beyond redemption. If Vick can do it we can do it.

  • Gasket

    fanofamerica said:
    I think strong dislike for heartless creeps who kill dogs is a bipartisan issue.

    And how ’bout them Vikings?

    I agree, the hatred towards Vick is “bipartisan” hell I would say most PETA affiliated people are lefties, but, that was not my beef with the specific guy I quoted. I was mocking his giving Tucker a pass for saying what he did. :)

  • Gasket

    gordonbloyershow said:
    If Vick killed a animal of mine like he did those dogs, I would kill him myself.

    Then we would kill you. Sounds fair.

  • OxyCon

    First off, if you buy that load of crap that Obama really called Lurie about energy conservation, you’re a pathetic, gullible moron. Lurie has been running that program for years now, and Obama suddenly took interest in it? Yeah, right!
    Obama boasted to MSNBC’s Richard Wolffe that he was so slick, even he believed his own bullsh*t…so of course he’d think his followers would buy that load.
    And lastly, during tonight’s loss to the Vikings, Vick looked like he got all the punishment he deserved for his cruelty as he got utterly destroyed. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a quarterback take such a beating before, and that goes back to the Brett Favre painkiller days. Vick looked like he was chewed up by a pack of wild dogs.

  • Jackyboy

    Carlson, that may be a wee bit over the top.

  • bigbrainbrad

    gordonbloyershow said:
    If Vick killed a animal of mine like he did those dogs, I would kill him myself.

    internet tough guy

  • WildMan

    da-wdc said:
    Carlson doesn’t seem to take anything seriously & none of his comments are worth taking seriously either. Though I do wonder what kind of a Christian glibly asserts that a man should be executed, like it’s some kind of a joke. Meanwhile.. I thought Mike Vick would be putting on a show here against Minnesota, but unless Philly wakes up now like they did in the Giants game, I guess it’s not happening. I’m disappointed.

    Right now I don’t see any team getting by the Pats unless TB gets hurt. Otherwise it’s another Super Bowl win for them!

  • Just4thefax

    Fact: Does Michael vick get as many chances to work on as many teams as Tucker Carlson has?

  • MediaWhore

    gordonbloyershow said:
    If Vick killed a animal of mine like he did those dogs, I would kill him myself.

    Would that animal of yours be the dead squirrel on your scalp or the dead mouse on your lip?

  • hennehn

    There is something very anti-Christian within people against redemption. Jesus died for the sake of redemption. Jesus surrounded himself with those whom society looked down on. In Jesus’ final moments he had a conversation with a criminal condemned to death who was hanging on a cross next to Jesus… And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” So what Christian holds themselves higher than Jesus in denying someone a path to redemption?

  • qwertz

    MediaWhore said:
    Would that animal of yours be the dead squirrel on your scalp or the dead mouse on your lip?

    Leave Basil Marceaux aloooone! :’(

  • dummy123

    Michael Vick is a despicable human being!
    There is no rehabilitating a person that tortures animals.
    Obama was a community organizer and 20 year member of a church that preached Black theology. Is anyone really surprised he felt compelled to praise the animal torturer?
    BTW when Vick takes a big hit and is then forced to be a pocket passer he will fail miserably !

  • sdfghrtht
  • skyfet

    gordonbloyershow said:
    If Vick killed a animal of mine like he did those dogs, I would kill him myself.

    You should have done so when you were drafted. You had your chance but you didn’t take it.

  • TangledThorns

    Vick is slime, still is. That being said I don’t think execution is necessary however he should be treated like a child predator IMHO as it takes the same kind of evil to torture a defenseless animal.

  • TrollJuice

    gordonbloyershow says:
    December 28, 2010 at 11:40 pm gordonbloyershow(Quote)
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    If Vick killed a animal of mine like he did those dogs, I would kill him myself
    ===============

    Execute someone for killing dogs, but commend someone for torturing a killing people! Only in Amerika!

  • Just4thefax

    dummy123 said:
    There is no rehabilitating a person that tortures animals

    Fact: I tie a sock around cats waist then set them on the floor and they flop over on their side and lay still flat on the ground like a possum and I laugh until my face hurts above my cheeks but torture them cats No never!

  • Just4thefax

    Fact: Put a sock over a cats head makes them do the devo music video move like in the are we not men vid!

  • notsofast

    Now that is an over-the-top statement.

  • http://www.armwood.com armwood

    Tucker Carlson is an idiot. Why shouldn’t Obama express his opinions. He is talking about a major problem with felons getting a second chance. Michael Vick was extremely cruel. What gets me is that hypocrites who think hunting is a sport criticizing Michael Vick! Hunters are killing animals for sport. They gain pleasure out of hurting animals. There is absolutely no difference. Are dogs the smartest animals in the world, no.

    Understand I do not, have not, and will not hunt for sport. I believe it is a barbaric, primitive pass time but the mindless hypocrisy of these people is sickening.

  • jcowan

    Yes idiots! America is not a country of second chances. Then why do blacks have to forgive whites or on a larger scale this country for the atrocities of the past – lynchings, Jim Crow, slavery ? You idiots are always the ones that protest that America has changed for the better and that was history , right? Well maybe not, if you guys are bigots! Following your logic then blacks should not forgive what happenend in the past and this country should not be allowed to redeem itself in the eyes of the world for its past acts. If your answer is yes then I would subscribe to your argument that the same should apply to Michael Vick.

  • stel

    First off Vick didn’t kill dogs…it just took place on his property and he took the fall. Second, none of these animals were pets…they were vicious attack dogs. Third, Asians routinely EAT dogs every day…should they be executed as well? BTW I guess Tucker Carrlson believes animal life is more important than human life considering he believes Vick should be executed for this.

  • da-wdc

    WildMan said:
    Right now I don’t see any team getting by the Pats unless TB gets hurt. Otherwise it’s another Super Bowl win for them!

    This is what I’m rooting for, given who’s in the playoffs. Go Pats. I like the Chiefs too, but I can’t see them making a deep run this year.

  • libra blue

    Best Friends Animal Society has been rehabilitating and caring for Michael Vick’s victims. They have posted a blog about Obama’s congratulatory call to the Eagles about scumbag Vick. It is definitely worth reading!

    http://blogs.bestfriends.org/index.php/2010/12/29/when-the-president-calls-about-the-vick-dogs/

  • Newsjunky

    Tucker Carlson. LOL. Trying to be all provocative so he can get another show somewhere – which he can than fail with as well as all the others he’s hosted. He’s a failure and trying to get someone to give him yet another chance. Hahaha. Sad.

  • Pablo

    stel said:
    First off Vick didn’t kill dogs…it just took place on his property and he took the fall. Second, none of these animals were pets…they were vicious attack dogs. Third, Asians routinely EAT dogs every day…should they be executed as well? BTW I guess Tucker Carrlson believes animal life is more important than human life considering he believes Vick should be executed for this.

    Wrong, who cares and who cares. You know, if he’d have just put bullets in their heads, that would have been one thing. But what Vick and his friends did to those animals was heinous and sadistic. You have to be a sick son of a bitch to hang or electrocute a dog to death.

  • Pablo

    jcowan said:
    Following your logic then blacks should not forgive what happenend in the past and this country should not be allowed to redeem itself in the eyes of the world for its past acts.

    People and countries are not the same thing. Find me a slaveowner and I’ll spit in his face with you. Meanwhile, the rest of what you’re trying to do is sheer bigotry.

  • andrewsjm

    Gotta love the self-righteous Christians.

    Hey Tucker, “As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. ”

    I hope being a total douche is one day an executable offense.

  • timcajun

    Carlson knows where his bread is buttered, the Fox hate shop! Had Obama not said what he did ( which was wrong), Fox would be talking against PETA and pet loving liberals and how wonderful Vick was!

  • RMcGowan

    I wonder what Tucker would have to say about the apostle Paul, who was known to murder Christians, before he became one of the great leaders of Christian faith. Of course, that lesson in redemption would also probably fall flat as well. Go back to Sunday school, Tucker.

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    Gasket said:
    Then we would kill you. Sounds fair.

    I would get the O.J. jury and go home to play golf.

  • http://thingsthatarefuckingstupid.wordpress.com/ Keane

    Phew. I was worried we’d have to keep taking Tucker Carlson seriously for a while. Thanks, Tucker.

  • TeaPartyPatriot

    Tucker Carlson: “I Think Personally [Michael Vick] Should Have Been Executed”

    …and the method of execution should be that he’s thrown into a pit of rapid pit-bulls. Now, that’s KARMA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Ar/100000903987836 Chris Ar

    Carlson was right. Vick doesn’t deserve to breathe.

  • Hawk11

    Tucker Carlson: “I Think Personally [Michael Vick] Should Have Been Executed”

    What about the 4,000+ American soldiers that died due to an administration lying about weapons of mass destruction. Shouldn’t those responsible for that be executed?

  • Nachi

    But Tucker, what would all the little FanBoys do for a life???

  • Newsjunky

    MediaWhore said:
    Would that animal of yours be the dead squirrel on your scalp or the dead mouse on your lip?

    Not to mention those mammoth tusks he’s got sticking out of his mouth where is upper teeth should be.

  • Penguin60

    ganymede said:
    We Americans, especially the rightwingers have lost our way and become a nation of greedy, selfish, self-seeking people interested only in our most immediate needs.

    Especially right wingers, what a load of crap.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

    Tucker had a screw loose on this one.

  • ixtoc

    …someday,Mr. Carlson will find himself in an elevator alone with Mr. Vick…

  • ZitePsych

    Whenever someone starts a sentence with: “I’m a Christian.­….but” you can be sure the end of that sentence won’t be. Does Tucker actually believe saying your a Christian means you don’t have to act and speak like one? If you have chosen Christ as your savior can you really betray him, his teachings, and his sacrifice with impunity just by saying: “I’m a Christian.­..but.” Isn’t this Christian treason? And if, not when DO you have to live your beliefs?

  • Pokerdude777

    Quoting Glenn Davis: ” There’s no question Vick has done terrible things, but to hear a pundit openly opine that a prominent person should have received the death penalty – and being completely sincere in doing it – is not something you’ll see too often “…..

    There’s a very reasonable explanation for this… MOST people are not that stupid.

  • Pokerdude777

    ZitePsych said:
    Whenever someone starts a sentence with: “I’m a Christian.­….but”

    The first thing I ( and you should too ) do is use both hands….use one to hold on to your wallet and the other to cover up your asshole….I’ve actually had to go to the hospital for having to much smoke blown up my ass before.

  • http://mindymayhem.wordpress.com mindymayhem

    I have to say… While I am by NO means a fan of Tucker Carlson, I agree with his sentiment, here. Michael Vick participated in a “sport” where he put animals to death; ignoring their suffering and cries for pain. And as if that were not enough, when he decided to “put down” the dogs that didn’t win him the money he really didn’t need, given his career making millions at the time (meaning, he participated in the “sport” for the delight of watching animals suffer), he didn’t just do so in a casual way – He tortured the animals to death. He hung, electrocuted, drowned, beat, and suffocated them. He buried them alive.

    Michael Vick is a sociopath. He shouldn’t be free in society, let alone making millions once again and peddling some fake “redemption” story as part of his PR campaign and court orders. He is now even saying he’d like to get a new dog as a pet. This is a man who took dogs that were family pets and watched other dogs attack and slowly kill them while laughing. He has not been redeemed. He has not “served his time” – Less than a year in jail – is that some sort of a joke? It’s pathetic that animal cruelty penalties are so lenient, and he didn’t even serve the maximum!

    My dog is a pit bull. I didn’t know anything about them, really, until I found and raised one. The prejudice against these dogs is incredible. My dog is so sweet and loving, he cries when people go out of their way to avoid him or steer their dogs to the other side of the street! I can not imagine what it would take, to sit and watch him be torn apart while people cheered, let alone take him out and hang him if he lost a fight. Vick is a truly sick individual and it’s a shame on all of us that he’s free to earn millions of dollars after the cruelty he’s inflicted on others.

    And no, I do not support hunting for sport or torturing people, either! But those are separate issues, deviating from this post.

  • writer

    Jeffrey Dahmer started out with animals, and look how he turned himself around.

  • http://twitter.com/pewestlake Paul Westlake

    timcajun said:
    Carlson knows where his bread is buttered, the Fox hate shop! Had Obama not said what he did ( which was wrong), Fox would be talking against PETA and pet loving liberals and how wonderful Vick was!

    Bingo!

  • YukYuk

    hennehn said:
    There is something very anti-Christian within people against redemption. Jesus died for the sake of redemption. Jesus surrounded himself with those whom society looked down on. In Jesus’ final moments he had a conversation with a criminal condemned to death who was hanging on a cross next to Jesus… And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” So what Christian holds themselves higher than Jesus in denying someone a path to redemption?

    It’s not about being “against redemption,” it about being sure that Michael Vick is held accountable in this lifetime for his reprehensible actions (and I don’t think 16 months in jail is enough penalty or payment for what he did; that, I think, is the crux of the matter).

    Michael Vick needs to ask God for redemption. God’s forgiveness might be a free gift, but it is up to each individual to accept it, which I doubt Vick has done.

    From the news stories I have read, Vick has never seemed fully apologetic or remorseful about torturing and killing dogs (yes, he didn’t just kill them, which would be bad enough, but he tormented many of them first or chose slow, painful killing methods), he seems sorry only that he got caught and got into legal trouble.

    Further, God does not ask us to look the other way when someone commits a crime, even if that criminal eventually seeks God’s forgiveness.

    God expects us to punish the criminal, even if the criminal later seeks reconciliation with God through Christ.

  • YukYuk

    Hawk11 said:
    Tucker Carlson: “I Think Personally [Michael Vick] Should Have Been Executed”

    What about the 4,000+ American soldiers that died due to an administration lying about weapons of mass destruction. Shouldn’t those responsible for that be executed?

    Our military is all volunteer, which I think is relevant. Vick’s dog’s did not volunteer to be abused and tossed into dog fighting rings.

    Many Democrats back during Bush’s time in office also believed in all the Intel about Iraq. I hate it when liberals try to turn each and every topic into a Bush hate fest.

  • YukYuk

    da-wdc said:
    Though I do wonder what kind of a Christian glibly asserts that a man should be executed, like it’s some kind of a joke.

    I’m not sure what your political leanings are, but since liberal Democrats are usually knee jerk Christophobes (irrational haters of Christians), I’m guessing you’re left wing.

    (Apologies if I’m incorrect on that point. Maybe you’re just a grouchy, conservative atheist).

    How many liberal entertainers, liberal talk show hosts, and ‘everyday average Joe Liberals’ on liberal sites such as “Huffington Post” glibly made rape jokes about Sarah Palin and assassination jokes about George W Bush? (A lot. It’s common.)

    Anytime a conservative of note gets sick, hospitalized, or gets cancer, there are your liberals on many liberal blogs who either crack jokes about it or who say, “Good, I hope he/she dies.”

  • YukYuk

    stel said:
    First off Vick didn’t kill dogs…it just took place on his property and he took the fall. Second, none of these animals were pets…they were vicious attack dogs. Third, Asians routinely EAT dogs every day…should they be executed as well?
    BTW I guess Tucker Carrlson believes animal life is more important than human life considering he believes Vick should be executed for this.

    I read that Vick did in fact abuse / kill some of the dogs himself. Even if Vick did not but KNEW that people on his property were doing so and he did nothing to stop the people who were engaging in the behavior, that is just as repugnant.

    As for your comments about Asians: they should definitely be educated that killing dogs is wrong (some animal charities already do that). I read a little bit about the topic, and it’s not just that some Asians kill dogs (and cats) to eat, but they treat them cruelly before they kill them, and they don’t always kill the animals as quickly and painlessly as possible.

    That Carlson said he thinks Vick should be executed for his immoral, heartless actions against dogs does not necessarily mean that Carlson places equal value on animals that he does to humans, only that he thinks that people who abuse/kill animals should receive far stiffer punishments than they do.

  • YukYuk

    RMcGowan said:
    I wonder what Tucker would have to say about the apostle Paul, who was known to murder Christians, before he became one of the great leaders of Christian faith. Of course, that lesson in redemption would also probably fall flat as well. Go back to Sunday school, Tucker.

    But Apostle Paul sought redemption of his own accord and spent his whole life making up for his atrocities.

    Has Vick in fact gone to God, repented of his sins (of which the abuse of God’s creatures would be included)? I don’t think he has.

    How has Vick tried to make up for his previous immoral actions against the dogs he abused / permitted to be killed cruelly?

    As I said to the other person in this thread making the same misplaced argument that you are, while God may be big on willing to forgive people, God still expects us to punish criminals here on earth; we don’t just let people off the hook for their crimes. We are to jail them, make them pay fines, or put them to death.

    God does not just forgive, either – you have to ASK God for forgiveness. You have to admit to God that you sinned.

    As someone at another blog mentioned, even the recent good deeds Vick has done for animals (such as given money to dog charities or spending time cleaning up at a dog kennel or whatever Vick did, I don’t recall) is not even all that laudatory because the court forced Vick to do these good deeds.

    Vick apparently did not choose of his own volition to help these dogs, he was forced by a judge to do it.

  • http://TheDividedStatesBlog.com Publius219

    After only skimming the article, I’m willing to give TC a pass. Hyperbole takes us all at one point or another.

    Vick’s crime was the type of thing that’s very easy to get people all riled up about. Everyone loves dogs. But it’s essentially a societal sentiment, there’s nothing inherent about dogs that makes them any more or less worthy of life than other animals.

    Yes, what happened to the dogs was wrong, but worse things happen to what eventually becomes our meals on a daily basis and nobody bats an eye brow. Vick just chose the wrong animal and/or the wrong country.

  • YukYuk

    ZitePsych said:
    Whenever someone starts a sentence with: “I’m a Christian.­….but” you can be sure the end of that sentence won’t be. Does Tucker actually believe saying your a Christian means you don’t have to act and speak like one?

    I’m a little more disturbed by Christians who see stories of horrible dog abuse like this one, shrug their shoulders as if they don’t care, and utter statements such as, “Eh, who cares, it was just a dog” (an attitude which I also see coming from Non Christians at times).

    Or the equally heartless sentiments from some Christians (and even from some Non Christians) such as,
    “We should be spending more time spewing out rage against crimes against humans. Where’s the out rage against abortion on demand or NFL players who kill someone while drunk driving!!”

    -(as though the two are mutually exclusive concepts. One can be infuriated against atrocities against humans AND atrocities against animals. You don’t have to pick only humans or animals, you can care about both.)

  • YukYuk

    Publius219 said:
    After only skimming the article, I’m willing to give TC a pass. Hyperbole takes us all at one point or another.
    Vick’s crime was the type of thing that’s very easy to get people all riled up about. Everyone loves dogs. But it’s essentially a societal sentiment, there’s nothing inherent about dogs that makes them any more or less worthy of life than other animals.

    Yes, what happened to the dogs was wrong, but worse things happen to what eventually becomes our meals on a daily basis and nobody bats an eye brow. Vick just chose the wrong animal and/or the wrong country.

    I think you’re confusing things, and in so doing, missing the mark.

    It’s not just that Vick killed the dogs (or knowingly allowed his associates to do so)-

    But that he chose painfully slow methods of death, and the fact that he killed the dogs not for food (because he was starving and needed to eat dog meat) *but merely because the dogs were not performing well at an illegal activity (dog fighting).*

    I am not won over by arguments that because Americans eat cows and chickens, and that because some Asians eat cats and dogs, that we Americans should somehow not care when abuse happens to animals in America that are considered companions (such as dogs and cats).

    I recognize that God permits mankind to eat just about anything (as it’s stated in the Old Testament – before all the dietary laws were established), but the Bible does lay down rules which indicate that animals should be treated humanely.

    Many of our laws today recognize this: if you’re going to kill the chicken on your farm for dinner, okay, but while that chicken is still alive, you are to care for it properly (give it adequate shelter, food, water, etc), and you can’t torture the animal.

    I get just as angry by news stories I see of people at farms who mistreat pigs, cows, and chickens meant for human consumption as I do by stories about people who abuse animals we think of as ‘friends’ (dogs, cats, horses, etc).

    I want people who are cruel and abusive to any animal (whether meant for food or companionship) to be punished.

    Therefore, just because ‘Farmer Joe’ is abusive to a pig that may wind up on my dinner table as a ham sandwich (and I don’t know the history behind that ham) doesn’t make me a hypocrite for being upset over Vick abusing dogs.

    Quote by ZitePsych:
    “there’s nothing inherent about dogs that makes them any more or less worthy of life than other animals. ”

    It does not matter if our society (or you) thinks that hamsters are “more worthy” than dogs.

    Society’s estimation of a dog’s worth (whether a dog is thought to have more value than a turtle, for example) does not change the fact that what Vick did to the dogs was wrong.

    On a scale of value of one to ten (ten being most valuable), if a dog is considered a “one” and a horse a “ten,” what Vick did to a “one” would still be inexcusable.

    Quote:”Yes, what happened to the dogs was wrong, but worse things happen to what eventually becomes our meals on a daily basis and nobody bats an eye brow. ”

    People do in fact “bat an eye brow” over the abuse of such animals. There are many organizations by people who deplore animal cruelty of any animal who routinely document and investigate cases of cruelty on farms and pet stores.

    Some of these people have web sites with their findings, with calls to action, and sometimes, their stories wind up in the main stream media.

    About a year ago, such as a story was published in the main stream press of farm workers were abusing cows, and another story involving farm hands at another farm who were abusing pigs meant for slaughter for human consumption.

  • Hawk11

    YukYuk said:
    Our military is all volunteer, which I think is relevant. Vick’s dog’s did not volunteer to be abused and tossed into dog fighting rings.

    Many Democrats back during Bush’s time in office also believed in all the Intel about Iraq. I hate it when liberals try to turn each and every topic into a Bush hate fest.

    So you condone 4,000+ American soldiers being killed in a war that an administration made up?

    I don’t condone what Michael Vick did. In fact it’s completely abhorrent. But there are so many situations in which people did the worst things and got a slap on the wrist. The worst thing I ever saw was seeing a documentary (and I do not remember the name of it) where hunters participated in something called “cage hunting.” These piece of shit, lowest form of life, fucking disgusting cowards, were killing lions in a caged setting. The lion, trying to escape it’s hunter, was cornered against a fence and could not move while this guy shot it dead. Michael Vick went to jail for what he did, this guy went out for a beer and celebrated.

    It’s sucks that any animal has to die for sport, or for food. I, like many others, live under the veil of ignorance that my meat just shows up in the market and don’t think about where it comes from.

  • Talisman

    We must hate Obama for everything he does….. Even if he is showing support for an individual who has served his punishment for a crime that in Texas would have gotten him executed.

    It’s just a matter of time before he congratuates BP for the outstanding job they did on that whole oil spill thing. and I’m not sure they broke any laws.

  • Sean68

    Gasket said:
    LOL! You can not even “refudiate” his comment. Would you be calling it harmless hyperbole if a liberal had said it? Tucker is an asshole for that comment. He better not show up in PA or some people might be tempted to show him what a worthless little cretin he is.

    I figure nonsensical use of “‘refudiate’” must be good for at least 10 or 15 positive ratings minimum. Well played, dumbfuck!

  • vp4free

    Execute Vick? How about we execute Tucker/? Michael Vick has at least done some positive things in life, like entertain us with the single greatest performance in NFL history, or did you miss that while you were watching little boys playing at the park you Pee Wee Herman wannabe. What has Tucker done? Nothing but raise hate and angst against everyone he comes in contact with. Execute Vick you should be put down for being a hypocritical false religious idiot, with nothing but tasteless drivel oozing from your rabid hole!

  • grego12381

    What a dumbass!!! I am a republican and am embarassed by what he said.

  • grego12381

    ganymede??? What are you smoking?

  • grego12381

    armwood—I am a hunter and I kill for food. I would rather eat meat of an animal not pumped full of steroids. I respect the animals I hunt and will only shoot if I can make a clean kill. I assume you are a vegetarian or you are completely oblivious to what the animals go through that you buy at the market. How about solving the problems with human to human cruelty before we go off the charts for animals. If I had a choice to save a 3 year old child or a 3 year old animal I would with out a doubt choose the child. What about you?

  • Penguin60

    armwood said:
    They gain pleasure out of hurting animals. There is absolutely no difference.

    Really? And you as a non hunter know this by what means? I guess you never heard of a hunting license? Hunters do more for conservation then you and your libby friends have ever done(how’s that for a lib generalization).

  • http://www.armwood.com armwood

    Penguin60 said:
    Really? And you as a non hunter know this by what means? I guess you never heard of a hunting license? Hunters do more for conservation then you and your libby friends have ever done(how’s that for a lib generalization).

    Armwood Said

    “Tucker Carlson is an idiot. Why shouldn’t Obama express his opinions. He is talking about a major problem with felons getting a second chance. Michael Vick was extremely cruel. What gets me is that hypocrites who think hunting is a sport criticizing Michael Vick! Hunters are killing animals for sport. They gain pleasure out of hurting animals. There is absolutely no difference. Are dogs the smartest animals in the world, no.

    Understand I do not, have not, and will not hunt for sport. I believe it is a barbaric, primitive pass time but the mindless hypocrisy of these people is sickening.”

    A hunting license does not lessen the barbarism of hunting as a sport. Hunting for food is less heinous but our descendants may view hunting and/or enslaving animals for food as barbaric. There is no moral justification for killing animals as a sport as Sarah Palin did in her reality show. What she did, and sport hunters do is just as barbaric as what Michael Vick did. You can try and rationalize it but it is the same. If you criticize Vick and fail to criticize hunters who hunt for sport, not food you are a hypocrite.

  • http://www.armwood.com armwood

    grego12381 said:
    armwood—I am a hunter and I kill for food. I would rather eat meat of an animal not pumped full of steroids. I respect the animals I hunt and will only shoot if I can make a clean kill. I assume you are a vegetarian or you are completely oblivious to what the animals go through that you buy at the market. How about solving the problems with human to human cruelty before we go off the charts for animals. If I had a choice to save a 3 year old child or a 3 year old animal I would with out a doubt choose the child. What about you?

    I never criticized hunting for food. Read my post a little more carefully.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gwen-Barnes/1130695854 Gwen Barnes

    Yuk Yuk, you were right when you said that God does not ask us to look the other way when a crime is committed. and that appropriate punishment is required. God also said in His Word that He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If Michael Vick goes to God and ask Him to forgive him for what happened, God will forgive him. He is the God of second chances. I, like so many others on this forum agree that the torture and killing of the dogs was reprehensible and cruel. Some here have said that the only reason Michael is sorry is because he got caught. Do any one of us know that for sure? None of us have talked to Michael Vick and ask him if he is truly sorry for what happened. The only one who truly knows his heart and knows if he’s sincere is God and only God can judge him. We might not like what he did but we don’t have the right to pass judgement. We may not have been involved in what he did but we all have done something in our lives that we have had to ask for forgiveness for.

    Pablo, you said that only a sick son of a bitch would electrocute a dog. Only a sick son of a bitch would chain an innocent man, who went a local 7-11, as he did every morning to buy a cup of coffee and a newspaper, chain him to the back of a pick-up truck and drive down the street causing the man’s body to be torn apart as he begged for help. That happened in Texas a few years ago. The bottom line is, as so many before me have said, be it animal or human, cruelty is cruelty.

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