MSNBC Pres. Tells Talent To Play Nice After Scarborough/Olbermann Tiff (Update)


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MSNBC President Phil Griffin sent a memo to staff reminding them “we do not publicly criticize our colleagues,” in the wake of Joe Scarborough tweeting that Keith Olbermann’s recent Scott Brown rant was “reckless” and “sad.” Huffington Post has the full memo.

The note was sent Friday, which we hear came after behind-the-scenes back-and-forth took place between all sides.

Here’s part of Griffin’s memo:

We have many strong personalities with differing, passionate opinions, but it is important to remember that we are all on the same team. I want to reiterate my long-standing policy: We do not publicly criticize our colleagues. This kind of behavior is unprofessional and will not be tolerated.

Let me be clear: I encourage you to keep doing what you do best. Give the viewers your perspective and a vigorous debate on the issues they care about. But do not turn substantive differences into personal ones.

It got personal when Scarborough tweeted his thoughts and called out Olbermann by name, which was different than past times Scarborough voiced his objections to something the Countdown host had said without using his name. But he also talked about Olbermann’s Brown comments on Morning Joe the next day (video below): “A certain person on this network, whose name will not be mentioned, went on a tirade the likes of which are sad and pathetic.”

That wasn’t by name either, but the implication was crystal clear – and “sad and pathetic” is some strong language.

We hear Scarborough apologized to Griffin for his comments. Griffin also talked to Olbermann, and Olbermann didn’t think it merited punishment. So the letter to staff (but really to Scarborough) went out instead.

We asked on Tuesday if it was “MSNBC civil war,” and it doesn’t sound like it. But with Scarborough’s private apology and Olbermann’s public acknowledgment that, yeah, maybe the Scott Brown thing was a little over the top (although because of what Stewart, not Scarborough said), it seems that both sides have dialed it back.

The real question will be what happens the next time.

> Update: Scarborough tweets to Mediaite: “There is no ‘tiff.’ I offered a brief commentary as did others.” I’ve asked some more questions – on Twitter of course.

Also, Griffin responds to TVNewser: “I spoke to Keith and he said in the spirit of teamwork and the free flow of ideas, he didn’t think it warranted punishment or suspension…That’s why I made the decision that this didn’t rise to the level of punishment.” What would have happened if Keith said he did think it warranted punishment or suspension?

Here’s Scarborough’s comment on Morning Joe Tuesday:

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38 comments

  • TfT TfT says:

    Steve:

    Apparently Joe has responded via twitter (per J$):

    @Larry_Kelly I guarantee you no one took me to the “woodshed” (unless that shed looks like the restaurant “August” in the West Village.)

    I think a better memo would have been to tell “some prominent prime timers” to dial it back. and to issue a formal apology to Senator-Elect Brown on behalf of the network.

  • TinaFromTampa TinaFromTampa says:

    Seriously, Tuna.
    Either start your own website or go for a walk.
    A long one, preferably.

  • TfT TfT says:

    Seriously NotsoAnonymous (posting here as TinafromTampa), stop stalking me and making a fool of yourself. You are nothing but a pest who spends all her time following me around. Get a life.

  • ChrisNH ChrisNH says:

    Olbermann is a bellwether of sorts; the angrier and more unglued he gets, the better I like it. It proves that his ideological viewpoint is losing, which is a good thing.

  • TinaFromTampa (the user name here):

    If you don’t make your comments about the post and not about other commenters, you’ll be banned.

  • sueNaustin sueNaustin says:

    Well, I am NotsoAnonymous nor am I TinafromTampa, but how can someone be accused of stalking and following you around when you can always be found at the same place?

  • sueNaustin sueNaustin says:

    oops, sorry Steve Krakauer. It just seems from me darting in and out of the site that the same people are here arguing the same things over and over.

  • SteveMG SteveMG says:

    Olbermann’s comments directed at Senate-elect Brown were, to me, unfair and ugly but I do think Scaroborough is talking out of school by publicly criticizing him. Griffin is right here to comment on the matter.

    It seems to me that none of us would like one of our co-workers openly criticizing our work or job. For better or worse, Olbermann is a colleague of Scarborough’s and merits respect. If he can’t give it, he needs to leave MSNBC.

    This “Look at me, I’m the good Republican” act by Scarborough is getting a bit weary. Make your case, Joe, let other’s make their’s.

  • what’s funny to me is that the NBC pres said it’s “unprofessional” for Scarborough to have called out a colleague…but Olbermann calling Brown “an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea-bagging supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees” is NOT considered unprofessional.

    might explain partially why nobody much watches MSNBC anymore.

  • apparently apparently says:

    Right. Olbermann didn’t think the remark merited punishment. I only hope Griffin ( or his intern) reads some of these blogs. It sounds like they bring out the paddle for punishment. Bend over your desk, Joe.

  • ex politicalmedia hack ex politicalmedia hack says:

    “I spoke to Keith and he said in the spirit of teamwork and the free flow of ideas, he didn’t think it warranted punishment or suspension…”

    Im a full on Clinton Dem, so I had issues with Joe back when, but since Joe left Congress Iive found him to be a stand u[ fellow – and olberman has always been a arrogant azz – even when i loved his first MS show in the 90s.

    MSNBC execs really are now KOs punks and b$tches arent they?

    My God, what a statement, it sure tells you who is in charge over there now adays.

    Thank you Jon Stewart for putting this misogynistic egomaniac in his place for all but the truly stupid to see,

  • ex politicalmedia hack ex politicalmedia hack says:

    “I spoke to Keith and he said in the spirit of teamwork and the free flow of ideas, he didn’t think it warranted punishment or suspension…”

    Im a full on Clinton Dem, so I had issues with Joe back when, but since Joe left Congress Iive found him to be a stand u[ fellow – and olberman has always been a arrogant azz – even when i loved his first MS show in the 90s.

    MSNBC execs really are KOs punks and b$tches arent they?

    My God, what a statement, it sure tells you who is in charge over there nowadays.

    Thank you Jon Stewart for putting this misogynistic egomaniac in his place for all but the truly stupid to see,

  • Magister Magister says:

    Seriously? Some network dweeb says that he’s not going to punish his morning show host because Olbermann didn’t think it warranted. I thought Joe was supposed to speak his mind, but that’s only about things that don’t deal with other network personalities. Talk about a party line hack and I’m sorry, but considering all of the laughable programming decisions* that has plagued MSNBC lately, perhaps they should also look for a new head for their cable news division, while they’re shopping for Zucker’s replacement.

    (See Rachel’s call out for Haiti: Day One)

  • TfT TfT says:

    Well, if you didn’t think Joe was a whimp before this incident, you surely know he is one now. Griffin’s concern about a public tiff between two of his personalities is more important to him than one of those personalities slandering a senator elect? It is clear why MSNBC is in the gutter — it is clearly where it belongs. How embarrassing for Joe; a once proud man has shown he will do the bidding of his master, KO.

  • MartiniShark MartiniShark says:

    “I spoke to Keith and he said in the spirit of teamwork and the free flow of ideas, he didn’t think it warranted punishment or suspension…That’s why I made the decision that this didn’t rise to the level of punishment.”

    Sure sounds like Olbermann is the one calling the shots over there. The only reason Joe was not raked over the coals is that KO thought better of it?

  • Magister Magister says:

    @SteveMG said;

    It seems to me that none of us would like one of our co-workers openly criticizing our work or job. For better or worse, Olbermann is a colleague of Scarborough’s and merits respect. If he can’t give it, he needs to leave MSNBC.

    The problem with that solution is that many of us on the left fully expect (or hope) that when Beck gets too far over the edge, the more respectable Bill O’Reilly will call him back.

    Opinion or satirical media should be an open flow of ideas with no topics offlimits. If MSNBC policy is that one thinker can’t comment on another or that certain topics should not be broached on air, then how are we to trust that their censorship is limited to just a narrow list. I mean, GE makes nuclear reactors — how do we know that it’s not against policy to speak about nuclear waste? Comcast is a huge cable operator — how are we to know that the news division will report fairly cable rates?

    (Not to mention that NBCU is a big umbrella which encompasses many channels, so exactly when do people stop being colleagues? Heck, everyone credits an analyst with CNBC as being the spark of the Tea Party movement, so does that mean that MSNBC shouldn’t say anything critical of those who subscribe to its philosophy because one of their colleagues gave it birth?)

    Jon Stewart made cracks about Mind of Mencia; Johnny Carson trashed Supertrain and whenever Shepard Smith says something which could be interpreted as being critical of FNC, the clip is all over the internet.

    Why should any hired to express their opinions be punished if they don’t hold their tongues or talk about certain subjects? Aren’t we supposed to believe, they’re telling the truth?

  • SteveMG SteveMG says:

    Why should any hired to express their opinions be punished if they don’t hold their tongues or talk about certain subjects?

    This isn’t about whistle blowing or corrupt or illegal or unethical behavior. Even then, there’s an internal system for a employee to follow. If that doesn’t work then you go public. And it’s not about “certain subjects”, it’s about the performance of your fellow employees. Again, if you think a co-worker isn’t doing their job, there’s an internal process to use.

    Second, if Scarborough wanted to respond to Olbermann, he didn’t need to do so on Twitter. He could have fairly responded to Olbermann’s comment on his own show and calmly expressed where he thought Olbermann was wrong. No need for the “sad” and “reckless” response. Have KO on to have a give-and-take. It’d be both fair and interesting to watch. No?

    Surely you don’t think Scarborough should openly state, “Boy, that piece by Andrea Mitchell was awful. What a bad piece of reporting”?

    No enterprise – media, business or otherwise – can permit their workers/people to publicly snipe at one another. If they do so, they’ll eventually have a force choosing sides and not working with one another.

    Again, if Scarborough can’t put up with Olbermann, he can leave. And believe me, I’m no fan of Olbermann’s.

  • Magister Magister says:

    @SteveMG: If it was just a random bad report, then he probably shouldn’t comment, but if Ms. Mitchell had filed something which misleadingly protected her husband’s repuptation, then that would be another ballgame.

    But that’s not what we’re talking about…

    I only know what I’ve seen here and on the mediabistro site. As I understand it, one opinion host said something derogatory about an editorial rant given by another opinion host. Both men were hired for their opinions and though Olbermann’s diatribe has been roundly ridiculed by pretty much everyone, which sort of proves Scarborough right, it really doesn’t matter because both mens job is to express an opinion and no subject should be offlimits.

    Again… what does Joe think about wind turbines? Dylan Ratigan is always going off on bankers; Is he allowed to say anything about GE Capital? Olbermann was against the Iraq war; Was he pressured to avoid topics which affected products sold by his defense contracting employer?

    I can’t find many free sources which fully encapsulates the (now paid access) essay by John Hockenberry called “You Don’t Understand Our Audience” and this marks the second time that I’ve referenced Arthur Kent’s experiences in as many weeks, but it’s not like (MS)NBC’s hands are clean. And though the fallout from Griffin’s (stupid) phrasing to TVNewser might make him rethink taking their calls, if he says that he censors his opinion hosts or implies that one high-profile, heavily promoted host is somehow better than another, then it’s him who probably should be out of a job.

  • ImNotBlue ImNotBlue says:

    Griffin also talked to Olbermann, and Olbermann didn’t think it merited punishment.

    YIKES! “Olbermann didn’t think it merited punishment”? Who is he to decide who gets punished, and who doesn’t?! This is, frankly, a stunning admission of Olbermann’s “influence” (control, etc.) over that network.

    MartiniShark says:
    January 23, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Sure does! Not a good sign for NBC/MSNBC.

  • SteveMG SteveMG says:

    Both men were hired for their opinions and though Olbermann’s diatribe has been roundly ridiculed by pretty much everyone, which sort of proves Scarborough right

    One last one from me because I’m starting to be boringly repetitive: Scarborough didn’t respond to Olbermann on his (Scarborough’s) show. Nor did he make substantive respectful criticism of KO. He made a couple of semi-nasty remarks on Twitter directed at KO and not KO’s comments.

    You seem to be motivated solely by politics on this and are missing the larger issue of preventing a company’s workforce from disrupting the business. MSNBC includes a lot more people than Keith Olbermann and Joe Scarborough. Phil Griffin has to worry about them at least as much as KO and JS.

  • Magister Magister says:

    @SteveMG: I agree that were not advancing the story and the subject may be so yesterday, but…

    I see the comments on Twitter and I see the clip from on-air, so I don’t know how much is about one thing and how much is about another..

    News outlets have been encouraging their personalities to incorporate Twitter, Facebook and other social media into their efforts and though I don’t have a link on-hand, but there have been cases of employers seeking to retain the Twitter accounts of their former employees. It seems to me that in this current environment, especially with the handle of “joenbc”, Mr. Scarborough’s twitter should qualify as an extension of his show.

    Earlier, I invoked Glenn Beck and implied that if the former Morning Zoo dude was to get too close to theedge, we’d expect Bill O’Reilly or Shepard Smith to pull him back. If Glynnis, Jon Stewart or Keith Olbermann were to do say something, it might be dismissed as partisan, but if his colleagues were to say something, there’d be no escaping the message.

    Another example might also be the whole Don Imus thing.

    Sure, the licensing of the show might have distanced him from being a full-fledged member of the MSNBC “family”, but under the censorship rules that Mr Griffin seems to have laid down, it appears that no one who worked for NBC-Universal or any of its subsidiaries would have been allowed to speak on the issue.

  • TfT TfT says:

    The concensus on Reliable Sources this morning is that Olbermann is completely irresponsible. Too bad Griffen doesn’t think so, but rather thanks the irresponsible one was Scarborough.

  • roxsteady roxsteady says:

    “What would have happened if Keith said he did think it warranted punishment or suspension? ”

    I’ll take that one! Scarborough’s ass would have been gone. While MSNBC doesn’t have the ratings that fox does, Countdown is their number one rated show. Morning Joe is dead last in cable morning news show ratings. Jethro should be very careful. I loved Jon’s take on Keith. And I love that Keith’s reaction. I expect to see him on the daily show in the near future.

  • Moderate Moderate says:

    “Olbermann is a colleague of Scarborough’s and merits respect. If he can’t give it, he needs to leave MSNBC.”

    Olbermann has fought with Co-workers every place he has worked.

  • SteveMG SteveMG says:

    Olbermann has fought with Co-workers every place he has worked.

    So I’ve read. And the result was not good for those places.

    Which is another good reason (or two) for Scarborough not to emulate him. And for Griffin to try and stop things from escalating.

  • writer writer says:

    Typical of the far left. Free speech is fine, as long as everyone agrees with what they’re saying. Olbermann is evidently calling the shots at MSNBC, and how magnanimous of him to allow Scarborough to go unpunished for speaking his mind.

  • m m says:

    >Free speech is fine, as long as everyone agrees with what they’re saying.

    Name one liberal show on Fox News. You can’t. Every single opinionated show is conservative.

  • sarainitaly sarainitaly says:

    I’m pretty sure Greta is a Democrat. She was a Bill Clinton supporter, and her husband and sister are both Dems. And she was a Hillary Clinton supporter.

  • Magister Magister says:

    @m: Admittedly, I don’t watch any more of his show than I do the others, but I don’t know that you can categorize Geraldo as full-fledged, card-carrying “conservative”.

  • Cecelia Cecelia says:

    sarainitaly,

    You are probably more than aware of this, but one of the things I have noticed about leftists is that any criticism of a fellow leftist (for anything other than a lapse in ideological purity) or any praise for a non-leftist, is tantamount to registering Republican.

    That’s why they can argue that a media who self-identifies as Democratic and as being far more liberal than the public at large, are little more than corporate shills touting the conservative line.

  • Cecelia Cecelia says:

    Poor Joe Scarborough.

    Imagine being in the position of having to trade off notoriety, elbow-rubbing with elites, gothamite living, and high earning potential, with paying obeisance to Keith Olbermann.

    That just might be the very definition of hell.

  • SteveMG SteveMG says:

    Imagine being in the position of having to trade off notoriety, elbow-rubbing with elites, gothamite living, and high earning potential, with paying obeisance to Keith Olbermann.

    They’re not holding a gun to his head to force him to endure this dilemma.

    Besides, I think he enjoys the limelight of being the “good conservative” who bashes the “bad conservatives.” He’s got a nice schtick going. E.g., his latest Newsweek piece.

    Kowtowing to Olbermann is the price he’ll have to pay for being Upper Manhattan’s favorite Republican.

  • ImNotBlue ImNotBlue says:

    roxsteady says:
    January 24, 2010 at 11:56 am

    I expect to see him on the daily show in the near future.

    According to Gawker… don’t expect to see it anytime soon.

    m says:
    January 24, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    (The obvious response…) Name someone KO has interviewed who doesn’t agree with him.

    It’s not the host’s opinion that’s the issue… rather it’s the information they present. FNC hosts talk to people from across the aisle… MSNBC, not as such.

  • Cecelia Cecelia says:

    “Kowtowing to Olbermann is the price he’ll have to pay for being Upper Manhattan’s favorite Republican.”

    As I said….the very definition of hell…

  • The Real Royal King The Real Royal King says:

    The pathologically Olbermann-Obsessed see this as conformity and compulsion as opposed to comity and courtesy. I’ve always felt Olbermann was slightly less important in the grand scheme of things than a dung beetle. However, as I have watched the Rightists attack him constantly, talking about him continuously, I have come to realize that they and they alone have given Olbermann power and prestige he scarcely warrants.

  • The Real Royal King The Real Royal King says:

    sarainitaly says:
    January 24, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    I’m pretty sure Greta is a Democrat. She was a Bill Clinton supporter, and her husband and sister are both Dems. And she was a Hillary Clinton supporter.

    Sara N. Italy: Van Susteren has admitted she voted, but not for President Obama, supposedly over his “unfairness” to Hillary. And, while Coale has worked for and supported Democrats, notably Hillary, we ought to remember that as Van Susteren began swooning over Palin, he donated time and resources to her.

  • Cecelia Cecelia says:

    “we ought to remember that as Van Susteren began swooning over Palin, he donated time and resources to her.”

    By “swooning” he means Greta was as aghast over what she saw as the same sexist treatment of Palin as by received by HRC.

    She interviewed Palin, traveled with Palin, just as she did with HRC and plethora of other personages.

  • Cecelia Cecelia says:

    “I have come to realize that they and they alone have given Olbermann power and prestige he scarcely warrants.”

    In actuality (something quite beyond you) you’ve written several times that you have appreciated that Olbermann has been the absence voice of the left within the U.S. media, oblivious to the logic that the new tenor, tone, and content of THAT voice is one facet of critical interest in Olbermann.

    You do the “he doesn’t matter” routine in order to invalidate political opponent’s interest in him, while giving him “atta boys” at an Olbermann fan site.

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