Why stop at janitors?  What about those mine shafts that are too big for adults?

Even the most rabidly anti-union conservative has to agree that we
shouldn’t exploit child labor, even if those children are someone
else’s, even if they’re the children of those fat-cat union janitors,
right?

Exploit? I first labored for money when I was about 10, and I was glad to do it. Is anyone suggesting forcing anyone’s kids to work? Do you suppose some of these struggling families might welcome the opportunity for their kids to pick up a few hours of work a week? Nah, you’d best protect them from that with your outrage, Tommy.

When I was in grade school, teachers were in charge of their classrooms, and kids helped with cleaning erasers, taking out trash, etc. There was a custodian, but he did the larger tasks. How about get rid of administrators or let them sweep the rooms?

It’s an interesting concept…. Getting a job at a young age is all a means to build work ethic and personal-responsibility. If the duties and responsibilities of a job encourages students to study harder and pay attention in school, than whats the problem?

I have a problem with Tommy describing it as ‘child labor.’ If a high school kid can come in and sweep the floors for a few hours on a weekend, how is that exploiting ‘child labor?’ Most people would call that chores 50 years ago… and if they’re getting paid for it and helping out their school, I’d say its a win-win for the student and the school district. 

Firing $80,000 per year union janitors that work 30 hours a week and get paid for 40 with kids making $10 per hour and learning responsibility is a smart move.

Gingrich…..Talk about being out of touch with the average American.

Wow, in the teabagger world a 9 to 5 job means your age.

I think I am going to sue those grocers that paid me $2 per hour 40 years ago to haul garbage, clean floors, and tidy the place up.  They were exploiting me when I thought I was learning responsibility….

He’s an idea man. His latest? A machine that lets you send documents across phone lines. It could be huge!

No wonder we never have kids knocking on our door asking to shovel our driveway anymore.  They learned they were being exploited by us old folk.

“80,000 per year union janitors”  Where they do that at?   

Kids have NO motivation to go to school today. They’d rather be sitting in front of the TV or playing videogames …. Heck, even when they are AT school they are constantly texting, listening to the iPod, or playing games on their phone…

I think Tommy is making to big of a deal about this … it’s not child labor to have a highschooler come in and clean bathrooms. It’s only ‘child labor’ to today’s generation who is SEVERELY entitled and think somebody else should do everything for you!!!
If the school pays the kids to do this, and the kids do a good job (albeit just 2 – 3 hour shifts for kids that young), then I don’t see whhat the big deal would be…

Newt you obviously are still just a RINO!!!!!

If my kids can get paid being janitors, why do I need to make them go to school at all? Isn’t this a free country?!?! Who cares about all that stupid ARTS and HISTORY crap!?!?!?! You should be proud to have a JOB!! 

Lol!! Republicons think Newt has brilliant ideas?? Come on!!

Not only is Newt a fraud, he’s also an idiot!!

Lol!! Nice one!!

TEABAGGERS:  Destroying the middle class with the third grade class!

Newt provides further evidence that he is a stone cold moron. How anyone could consider this fellow anything else an essential question to answer.

What better way to teach work ethic than to show you that after years of hard labor as a janitor, you’ll be fired to make way for a nine year old. 

The school focus no doubt the result of pipe cleaning with a teacher in his student days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxxNvfVfDB0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Lol!

oh how terrible!!   making kids actually work?

That’s a mighty persuasive argument you’ve got there, Leedog.

Works for me. I and most of my friends started working and earning money as soon as we figured out what money was. Most of us are still at it, and it hasn’t hurt us a bit. I worked as a janitor while I was in college, and was glad for the opportunity. My supervisor was an old, wounded, retired VietNam vet Army Ranger who was a better mentor and example than a vast majority of the faculty. We certainly don’t want to subject our youth to something like this, by any means, right? How far America has fallen…

Janitors ‘clean up’

Top 20 school scrubbers pull in 140G-plus
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/janitors_clean_up_zEecMaKxzR8m202QAPiVZP#ixzz1eGuW1mHg

And Callista pays the kids by eliminating health standards for food served at school

“If the school pays the kids to do this, and the kids do a good job
(albeit just 2 – 3 hour shifts for kids that young), then I don’t see
whhat the big deal would be… ”

Great.  Here’s a schedule….

7AM to 3PM – School.
3PM to 4:30PM – Sports and after school activities.
4:30 to 6PM -  Home for Dinner
6:30 to 9:30 – Mop floors and clean bathrooms.
9:30 to 10PM – Shower
10 to Midnight – Homework
Midnight to 2 – Leisure time
2AM to 6AM – Sleep
Repeat.

Are there no prisons, are there no workhouses?
-Charles Dickens

Its not that outlandish really. They already do this in Japan where you know… their grades are higher than ours. 

In the third world, there is no “childhood” as we in the West know it. As soon as children are physically and mentally capable of working, they are given jobs. Gingrich has determined that the US has a lot to learn from Mali and Gabon. Talk about “thinking outside of the box”.

Public Schools!

The janitors’ base salary maxes out at $106,329, according to their latest contract — about $6,000 more than the maximum salary for teachers

http://tinyurl.com/2eqzjas

For The Children™!

Part of the larger right wing agenda to retreat in the face of the 21st century.  

Taking jobs away from adult janitors who are using the paycheck to care for their families so that children can do the job for a lesser wage is absolutely exploiting.  There are plenty of neighborhood jobs for kids that choose to work.  

A persuasive argument?? What’s to argue?? Newt’s comment is ridiculous!!

Do you agree with Newt on this one??

How about replacing all CEO’s and all financial advisers who get all the million dollar bonuses with 7th graders. They would do a better job and be more honest and send all the bonuses to schools

While in the fleabagger world it means the number of years you should work before retiring with full benefits.

While the pillsbury doughboy tells us po folks how to cut corners, he lives a life of luxury, trades on his past experience as a corrupt politician, sprinkles diamonds on his plastic, platinum trophy wife, and pretends he is not one of the most disgusting men that ever served in Congress.  He talks big to the poor, let him and his “what ever she is” live on our income each month and see how it goes.  His campaign belongs in the sewer.

Good for you. I did odd jobs for the neighbors and such to scrounge $5 when I was a kid. When I turned 14 I got a job at a grocery store. Worked there when I could all through college. Was a manager when I left. I learned a lot about money and hard work and I’m grateful for that. 

Newt, on the other hand, thinks it would be good for broken down schools to get rid of the custodial staff and pay 9 year old kids to do the cleaning instead. 

You really don’t see the difference?

Yeah, but they still have shame in Japan. They don’t teach that everyone is a special flower who needs only their self-esteem to be fully entitled to whatever their heart desires.

I wonder how close Newt is to Nazi he has the type of personality that would go that way. My way or no way

lol…Cain’s down to 12%, you might want to rethink your avatar.

I warned you that you were making an ass of yourself but there is no talking to a teabagger.

The right’s doughboy is 50 times smarter than the left’s token N in the white house.

newt isn’t smart, he keeps getting all tangled up in his lies. . . I believe Obama’s dog could do a better job than newt.  I suppose you are a proponent of corruption, graft, adultery, child labor, and disrespecting the American public. . .well, support the doughboy. . . give him lots of money. . he needs to eat alot to stay so rotund.  Read his biography, the real one.

Gingrich is offensive on so many levels it’s hard to know where to begin.  I love his use of the term “master janitor” which immediately translates to “mastah” – who is he kidding here?  No one denies that children should be taught to work for what they want, but not at the expense of a man or woman earning what they need.  What might help is the reintroduction of a Civilian Conservation Corps or stateside Peace Corps to put the needy back to work helping the needy and earning a living.  If it takes a village to raise a child, it takes a nation to heal a village – right now our villages are hurting and children are going hungry.  There’s no excuse for the poverty in this nation and it’s very difficult to pull up your bootstraps when you have no boots.

Oh I’m sorry I missed your rascist comment about OUR PRESIDENT. . . you must really be a newt supporter, contemptible, bigoted, and a tiny tiny man, wake up carlton, the midnight death train has left the station, its just you and newt. . . . . .

Newt no doubt regards encouraging poor inner city kids to clean school toilets to be a form of career vocational training.

Most Republicans would love to turn the clock back 100+ years on workers’ rights.

If corporate CEOs and their paid lackeys in Congress had their way, all labor unions would be banned and all federal and state labor laws regulating workplace conditions – including employee safety and child labor laws — would be repealed. Workers’ comp, overtime, paid vacation, health benefits, sick days, pension funds, minimum wage, etc. … all would be distant memories.

It could be a u-tube sensation seeing a nine year old being spun around by a floor polisher and finally being flung into a wall. No WC for kids, they are too young to be eligible. What world do teanazis live in? What do we do with the janitors, make them advisors to Fannie Mae, Fannie Mac for $1.6 million? 

No words to qualify you sirrrrrrrrr but I’ll try. Ponzi, Fraud, Cheat, Womanizer, Phony and  one eyed man in the land of the blinds.

Kids who refuse to work and learn self-discipline are the same scumbags who occupied public property smokin’ dope, fornicating, defecating in public, and yelling inane stupidities learned from liberal professor’s at socialist/Marxist colleges and universities.  Working as a janitor would be very beneficial and instructive to these lay-about’s, neer-do-well’s, and pampered princes who believe they’re entitled to someone else’s money because they’re alive.

You could always make ends meet by doing a little flat-backing for fun and profit.

So you were a school janitor when you were ten? Cutting the neighbors grass or helping in the family business is a little different. I can’t wait until I see the private schools that the newt supports start this program.

You and Pablo should get jobs as janitors and try supporting your families.

I tell you what. . why not have your mom, daughter, and wife (if there is one) flat-back for me. . sounds like that seems to be the kind of man/woman you like cisco.  So, how much is newt paying you to be an a##hole. . . or how about that sweet little wife of newt’s. . . since we already know she can with the best of them.  catholics are they?  HA ahahahahahahahahahahahahah

pisco is a newt plant to stir up the sight. . .

What wrong with people making money? I thought teanazis were all for capitalism. Hooray for these guys being able to support their families and maybe, maybe having money left over for retirement. I made $100k a year before I went to work as an inspector. Took a $35k a year pay cut to get medical I could afford and too save for retirement.

They also go to school on avg 5 weeks more than American students.Maybe, that is why test scores are better.

Fire “news” reporters that make $400K a year to lie on an entertainment network and don’t replace them. 

You seem to have quite an obsession with us. Seriously. It’s creepy.

WIWI still thinks Palin is going to win.
Just say no to reality.

Of course, you pick the most expensive city in the country to live. Most janitors make $ 20,000-to $40.000 a year.

Class doesn’t start until 7:30.

Dinner doesn’t take an hour and a half.

Showers don’t take that long – what a waste of water.

If your kid is staying up until 2 AM, he/she is probably not enrolled in school activities.

You are the least disciplined, loudest, most inane scumbag crapping on this thread. If you hate mobs , dont act as if you are leading one.

OK, that first sentence is utterly illogical, bordering on incoherent. Next time, just stomp your feet and we’ll get the message.

No, I was delivering newspapers and shoveling driveways and mowing lawns and raking leaves and stuff like that. Then, when I was 13, I started a real job, washing dishes. By the time I was 15, I was running that same kitchen.

Back in your crib Rufus.

scrzbill 16 minutes ago in reply to Nexialist
You and Pablo should get jobs as janitors and try supporting your families.

You need to pick an argument and stick with it, chum.

Hint: Public Schools do not practice capitalism.

The article conflates “custodial engineer” with “janitor”.  They are not the same thing.  A building “engineer” is responsible for all of the schools physical systems and janitorial staff.  In the corporate world this is the Operations manager.  

I am all for kids going to school year round if unions get out of the way. However, will teachers want to work for a full year? That is the question.

They’re not being paid with tax dollars.

I can’t. The hat is just too awesome.

Actually, I changed it because 12voltman decided to spoof me, and I figured if that was going to be the case, I was going to make him post Herman. Oolong will be back when the mood strikes me.

But still, the hat is outstanding, ya lazy fleabagger.

God you are STUPID
https://erp.palmbeach.k12.fl.us:8009/psc/HRPRDJ/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/HRS_HRAM.HRS_CE.GBL?Page=HRS_CE_JOB_DTL&Action=A&JobOpeningId=120631&SiteId=1&PostingSeq=1&PortalContentProvider=UG_APPLICANT&PortalCRefLabel=Careers&PortalRegistryName=APPLICANT&PortalHostNode=UG_APPLICANT&NoCrumbs=yes&

http://jobs.altoonamirror.com/jobs/detail.aspx?j=202681-685054&rst=009

http://www.generalasp.com/cmcss/onlineapp/jobpostings/view.asp?all=1&AppliTrackJobId=4311&AppliTrackLayoutMode=detail&AppliTrackViewPosting=1

Who said anything about broken down schools and what would that have to do with it anyway? Who said anything about 9 year olds?

i think they should fire the teachers and replace them with the janitors
it would have to be an improvement to what we have now.  and the kids would probably
learn a hell of a lot more

Or maybe it’s because they’re ashamed to bring home crap grades. Like the South Koreans, the Japanese take education very seriously.

You know, they make pills for that.

I’m sure I’ve heard that somewhere before…

http://tinyurl.com/6uunqjq

No, it doesn’t.

“Head custodians can earn extra income in one of two ways, including
through “temporary care” assignments at schools that don’t have a
permanent custodial engineer. That work typically lasts less than two
months but doesn’t require that janitors clock in beyond normal work
hours.

Head janitors also can pad their pay by helping out at
other schools on nights or weekends — which in Fitzgerald’s case nearly
doubled his $92,100 base salary.”

This is called double-dipping.

Legal? Yes. The most fiscal policy? Heck no.

What are you saying?
Repeal child labor laws?
Hey.That might work for you guys .
The kids could do all those jobs the illegals aliens are doing.
It would be a win. win.
LOL.

Why doesn’t he teach them how to become lobbiests for Freddie Mac instead? Or would that take money away form Newt?

Perhaps recognizing there is head shaking waste and inefficiency the increasing cost of which is born by tax payers is too much for some. So they pull out all the traditional mind numbing liberal rhetoric they can churn up in their febrile imaginations: child exploitation, union busting (hope so), slavery, etc. What it is is making kids responsible for their individual environments while reducing the tax bleed for property owners paying for failing school systems. Besides, unions should consider it early training; most schools are not educating well enough for their charges to sweep the floor, anyway.

Nope. A custodial engineer is a janitor. He (or she) might do minor adjustments and repairs to systems, but he’s not responsible for them. http://www.mymajors.com/careers-and-jobs/Custodial-Engineer

The corporate world has custodians too. And the Operations Manager runs the operations of the company, not the buildings. Maintenance does that.

it’s ok for newt to make millions selling his little fake awards and lobbying, but please stop janitors’ gravy train

There you go, talking about yourself again.

the fact that you have a herman cain avatar says everything about how dumb you are
next time, just shut up

You can achieve additional time just by adding a few weeks to school year or by increasing number of hours per day. You can still have 6 weeks off for things such as summer jobs, vacations, etc

I think more time spent on educatiion wins out over shame.

 I was supreme commander of the universe once. see i can make up bullshit through the anonymity of the internet too!

What exactly was illogical about that sentence ?

He basically said that taking away jobs from adults (who might be supporting a family) in order to give them to children (who may be paid a lesser wage) is an exploitative move.

Rather than dismissing an opinion written in clear english as incomprehensible, try explaining why the opinion is wrong, if possible.

Janitors? – Lol… I use them to push drugs.

Poke a liberal with the truth and the response is name calling idiocy absent fact.  This undisciplined man spent 20 years flying military airplanes, and 21 years flying for a major carrier.  Undisciplined?  Get up off your butt and get job instead of posting from your mom’s basement on your sister’s computer.

Buffalo made some assumptions that just weren’t fair.

#Irony?

You’re right. It was wrong to suggest administrators could displace janitors. School administrators are notorious about undervaluing keeping their physical plants clean.

Pablo, please… Read what you wrote.

Really?

Let’s take a wage paying job from a man with a family, slice the pay in half, and give it to a kid.

Good thinking, Pablum.

Clever Girl.

Please, please, PRETTY please with aspartame & reconstituted animal gums on it, GOP Game Show: Pick Newt!

Somehow I expected all this from you Pablum. You parents peddled you out at ten … figures.

Nothing new here. Sixty years ago, when I was kid in public school in NYC I had classmates who were excused from class for an hour of so to help shovel snow, sweep walks, and do what might be considered janitorial duties.  It was considered a great honor to be picked for the job. They were under the direction of the school’s janitor. I haven’t kept up with each of them, but the one I still talk with was unharmed by the experience. He owns his own company and is very successful. I’m sure the other guys have had successful lives, too, because they were good students and well liked by their peers, which is how they were picked. We need to get back to teaching responsibility and values. Newt’s idea is a good one.

Oh that is SUCH a manufactured lie. Only someone who dropped out at 10 could buy that. 

Janitors are working poor. They average out below the poverty line, and mostly have to work two jobs. Cut that Pablum b.s. number about 5 times and you get to the janitor level.

you were “working” for sandusky when you were 10.

why does an elitist like you keep coming back to this site? I would think you woudnt have so much time on your hands…or maybe you just come on to brag about your little achievements?

Correct. And depending on the size of your company, you could have regional managers and so on. I know that I work for a company and I serve a multi-county range within my own specific tasks. Thank goodness for gas mileage.

Anything higher than janitor/custodian on the business side makes me think of paperwork. It’s one thing tell a staff member that the toilet paper needs replacing. Another thing if a toilet is broken.

No increase to the time kids are in school per day. I think after school activities are important whatever they may be.

Just get unions out of the way and schooling can change.

She said that taking jobs away from adults is exploiting children. That’s nonsensical. You exploit children by exploiting children, not by your actions toward adults.

Anytime you’d like to have a battle of wits, you just let me know. But give yourself time to get armed.

You aren’t serious?  There is difference between mowing a lawn that a young person can do as opposed to lifting heavy equipment that janitors have to do. What about moving things? Janitors do a lot of that.
This old geezer is so out of touch with reality.  Why in the world would he even be considered a front runner?  I am a republican, but I am ashamed to be in this party.

Only Gary Johnson, Ron Paul or Buddy Roemer are worth a damn.  And  2  of these guys are not allowed to debate.  Is there any wonder why people are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore?  I will not vote for these faux front runners. I just hope the Libertarians or Constitution Party run  a good candidate, because the GOPers do not have the sense to run one of the 3 non-neo con contenders!

The fact that you think my experience is somehow extraordinary only tells me how far America has fallen and why we are where we are.

Maybe, but you were fucking him.

Japan also has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Many of them being students with excellent test scores/grades, that means squat when it comes time to finding a job that doesn’t exist.

what kind of idiocy is this?  if this is supposed to be the smartest voice in the contest, the GOP is worse off than i thought.  oh my!

A job is a task to be performed. It is not a living owed to someone. You’re the sort of genius who thinks we should just hire everyone and double their wages, and everything will be just fine. You’re why we’re in such a mess.

I don’t. You need to create a culture of intelligence importance in order for it to surface.

That doesn’t exist as much as in Asian cultures. The US is used to technology without the understanding behind it.

 I hope you don’t have young kids. If you do, what a crap dad you must be.

Everyone here knows I am a hard right conservative. I can see the issue from both sides here though. I dont think its wrong for kids to work if they want to and their parents say its ok (as long as they are protected and not actually exploited through things like paying less than min wage, they need to cap hours that can be worked at maybe 3 per day…things like that). But I also can see how firing janitors( I HATE unions) will create a separate problem of just tossing the ability to make money from one poor family to another. So basically there would be a net gain of nothing for the community because with the janitor being out of work and giving his job to the child, you are still hurting that janitors family to help the child’s family. So, as much as I want to justify Newt here, I cant fully do it. I agree that letting children work under the conditions I described above would not be a bad thing and would do a lot toward creating a positive work ethic, but I cannot see how that would benefit the community in the end(with the janitors being out of work). 
Lefties close your ears here: 
I think it would be best to just disband the unions all together. They had their time and place but we have enough federal regulations/labor laws on the books now that they are no longer necessary. In fact, they only serve to move more and more jobs overseas. They bankrupt companies their strong arming. They dont do anything to help our debt crisis either:
How about in Springfield, Illinois where the union bosses worked as a teacher for ONE day and received a teachers pension for the rest of their life. Its waste like that that put our governments (local, state, and federal) in debt. Tragic waste. 

You are a racist jerk.

We still have them in my area, I get off my butt and shovel myself,

So how do you know its BS? Is it BS because it flies in the face of your liberal (non)logic? 

wow you’re clever

I make less than a janitor and I support my family. Its easy if you dont live outside your means. Its not a burden if you dont constantly think about everything you dont have and just be grateful for all you do have.

You got it !!!!!!!!!!!!!  The fat old Scrooge needs a visit from Jacob Marley or Jacob “Reagan”.  It seems he thinks he is 19th century England.

Pablo just owned you

Let them eat cake darling.

$40,000 per year is PLENTY of money. I make less than $25,000 per year. And a portion of that comes from my VA disability from being injured in the Army. 

Project much, P-blo?  Unless, of course, you’re asserting that it’s logical to assume that the substitute children janitors are to receive the same wage as those adults they replace. 

Yo uncle Tom, is not such a prize.

Welcome to 1893 and child labor.  This is where the Republicans want to take America back to.

I substitute teach elementary students.  Children that age would not be very effective janitors.  In fact I sometimes think they could EACH use a janitor just following them around the classroom.  After I have the students pick up, I pick up again so that the janitor will not think we had a free-for-all.

Mr. Gingrich shows his age.  Newspaper delivery is on the way out and I do not think a newspaper in the country lets children deliver papers.  If you let your child sell door to door by himself, you may get a call from child protective services.  Yes, I sold things door to door in my youth and that tells you my age.  And for every successful kid who worked, I am sure there are many more who did not go on to be titans of industry.  It was a different era.  Or maybe different eon in the case of Mr. Gingrich.

I think your first paragraph is a very fair appraisal of Gingrich’s proposal, and I commend you for thinking outside partisan lines.

However, I disagree with your second point: You say there are enough laws on the books to protect workers, but there are currently politicians who wish to change or remove these laws, such as the issue of minimum wage.

I agree that there have been excesses with regard to unions and don’t like them either. However, I don’t think disbanding unions would be representative of a free democracy. 

It comes down to this: If all companies treated their employees fairly and responsibly, there wouldn’t be a need for unions.  

You grew up kinda nasty and aggressive, and spend your time anonymously attacking people, sometimes using profanity, on the internet. I wouldn’t say that working young really did much for your character or maturity level based on the juvenile way that you’re acting.

Newt specifically mentioned the ages of 9 through 14, not high school.

Gingrich is trying to SINK his ship before it even launches. That is totally DUMB.. if he is so concerned with the deficeit, then he can GIVE UP his YEARLY income to help out, along with the other candidates that are running against him. IF he wants votes, that is no way to do it… ELIMINATE jobs, where on earth is his part of the BRAIN that shows UNDERSTANDING/COMPASSION. He is a real DOUCHEBAG. I will never vote for this one now, at first it was cain, now this BLUNDERING fool Gingrich…. BOTH are hugh DISGRACES to the republican party. WE need a PRESIDENT for the people, cuz now it is EVIDENT that most of these LUNATICS don’t know what way to ACCOMPLISH getting this country outta debt left to Obama from George Bush Jr.

Newt is talking about HIGH SCHOOLERS nitwit.

In my school we picked hall monitors and basket emptying details.  Kids like to get selected as it was an honor and showed we were responsible.  Today’s kids raised by far left idiots would use the time to trash the school.

I don’t know if “stone cold moron” does this foulest of scum full justice?

Expected what? Productivity? Yeah, me too. My parents didn’t peddle me out, though. I had to do that myself. But I was working for my father at about 12.

So your not for year round schooling, your just for getting rid of unions. You know every issue does not have to be all or nothing approach.

Nothing wrong with kids learning the value of a dollar. However, I would think that when you worked these jobs in your early teens, Pablo, you were still going to school. What Gingrich proposes is having kids supplant adults working to feed their families, at a lesser wage to boot. (When my kids worked at 13-14 at fast food joints or in retail, their salary was less than minimum wage because of their age and status.) 

Gingrich’s view is disappointing, to say the least.  

So, those people mentioned, whose compensation is a matter of public record, do not exist because…you say so?

Well, at least republicans want to get people back to work! Maybe this is a far out idea for some, but I see it as not much different from chores you do at home! And they earn money for it. It teaches some responsibility. I doubt many kids even have these responsibilities these days. It’s BENEATH them to do any work as long as the liberals are throwing free money around. BTW, Yoda, are you happy with the direction your messiah the marxist is taking us? You are a fool if you think he has us on the right track. Time for some sensible non-destructive ideas for this country. It starts with getting the destroyers out of office, BOTH dems & repubs. Clean up Washington.

Having read the article, I can’t actually say what I really think about this ‘individual’ because it would be construed, and rightly so, as incitement to, er, homicidal violence!

So your answer is get bad grades and be happy?

Don’t worry about it, Cisco. These foolish liberals on here have nothing to do but throw barbs. It’s all they have left. They see an end to the free ride. Show me a democrat in washington who actually has  been in the military and fought for his country. Show me one who isn’t some slug lawyer twisting facts to suit their agenda. Show me one who has run a successful business. They are frauds hiding behind the farce of “let me help you”. What a crock of crap.

Maybe Gingrich could send a Tweet to his 1.3 million Twitter followers and ask some them to help clean up the schools.

sounds like you just described  most of the democrats in office! hahaha

“They all started their first job between nine and 14 years of age.”

Right! Just give EVERYONE a trophy! Whether they work for it or not. After all, it’s only fair. It’s good for young people to work.

U.S does have technology, as does the rest many places in the rest of the world. Understanding the technology is the difference between what good schools accomplish, as opposed to the bad schools, not providing the tools.

I think children could do any job better than a lazy union  employee.
When I had to work as a slave of the typographical union, I wasn’t even allowed to pick up a piece of trash, even though I had dropped it,  lest I take work away from custodial workers.
That’s just plain stupid.
FIRE ALL UNION WORKERS AND HIRE FOLKS WHO WANT TO WORK.

ON THE WEEKEND! D.U.H

$40,000 is plenty of money for you, Not everyone can live in comfort on $40.000
Depending on where you reside, number of children, debts, utilities, etc, etc. etc

And I disagree with Gingrich when he says age 9. I said in my comment that it is an *’interesting concept.’* I personally think it could be beneficial to students if it is implemented correctly. For me personally, I would only have this done for high school students. 

OK, why is Disqus dropping replies to comments at the bottom of the thread?

Welcome to Mexico.  So even more people will be fighting for the few low paying jobs we have now.  If he was a Marxist he would’ve taken over businesses and everyone would’ve had jobs.  Just remember after the Teabaggers got to Washington, Congress dropped to a new 9% low and they’re still protecting the corporate interest.   

Newt is absolutely right and he is gutsy to say all this.  Tommy Christopher has finally outed himself once and for all as a Democrat, in case there was any doubt.  

I was talking about the concept / idea and that alone. AND WEEKENDS! I personally think this plan could only work for high school students and thats the only level of school I would implement it for. 

If kids can regularly help out for just 3 hours every weekend, I think it would be beneficial to have responsibilities and build up that work ethic. 
Of course they wouldn’t be cleaning the air ducts or mowing the football field, you’d have full time custodians for that…. but why not let the students come in and sweep the floors or pick up trash outside the building for 2 – 3 hours every Saturday, and get paid for it?
You and Tommy really over-analyzed Newt’s point… Child Labor? Yea right. 

So we would still need a full contingent of janitors on weekdays or would we let the mess build up for the kids? lmfao

Teabaggers ain’t too bright!

He would’ve taken over businesses? He HAS! The ones he hasn’t ruined with regulations he has run out of the country or turned into government motors businesses. Don’t be silly.  “If he was a Marxist he would’ve taken over businesses and everyone would’ve had jobs.” Are you saying if he was a marxist everyone would have jobs? Please clarify that statement.

>>>real job
>>>washing dishes

You outted yourself with that one, troll. Nice try, though.

“Canaryfeather”.  A perfect example of what your brain is filled with.

Capitalism 101: Public schools do not engage in capitalism …. If schools were run under a capitalist system the school would use a portion of their profits to pay their employees’ salaries… That’s not how it works, the TAXPAYERS pay teachers / janitors salaries. 

The taxpayers have no obligation to give a janitor $100,000. If the school / unions want to pay a janitor that much money then they should have to cut other education programs (which is of course counter-productive) instead of asking taxpayers to give more money. 
I am not being ‘mean’ or hating on a janitor’s need to support his family… just being honest,  you cannot convince me that a janitor merits a $100,000 salary that is paid for by the local community’s tax $$$$. 

ok, we are back to the liberal game of name calling again. Is that all you’ve got Jayson? lol

Gingrich makes me puke! Could he send over some of his kids to clean it up?

Pablo… the reason we have laws against child labor should be obvious to anybody with 1/2 a brain. That you would support the removal of child labor laws and bringing back child labor shows me, and everyone else here, that you don’t even have half a brain. Please go drink some more of that republican moron kool-aide. Maybe we will all get lucky and you will accidentally inhale some and drown yourself to death.

Pablo, the whole premise of Newt’s idea is to take jobs away from the “expensive union Janitors” and replace them with cheap labor kids.   An exploit is taking an unfair advantage, and because kids will make much less you are exploiting kids in order to bring down payroll.   Funny I didn’t see Newt suggesting it for rich schools.  I guess the rich kids are better than the poor kids huh Newt?

What’s also funny is that most schools only have 1 or 2 janitors, and they make about $24-$32k/yr.  So he suggested cutting back to 1.  Now you are going to pay the the kids at least minimum wage right Newt?  And how many hours were you going to make them work?  They can’t clean up while they are in class, so that means janitorial duties will have to take place after school.  So, now you’re going to have to pay overtime to the “master janitor”.  How many hours will each kid be required to work?  How many “kid hours” will it take to replace “adult hours”?  2 for 1?  Well, since you now have to pay overtime to the master janitor, and you have to pay 2 kids minimum wage for each adult janitor you laid off, you just ended up costing your school system more money. 

Instead of worrying about $24-$32k per school, Newt should be worried about negotiating the cost of school books and school supplies.  School books cost about $1100/kid/year. 

Love the Republican Job Plan.. lay off adults..  replace them with kids. 

It is amazing to me that anybody in this country would even remotely think this is a bright idea. I swear it’s Open Mouth, insert foot with the Republican party, on a daily basis. Anybody with 1/2 a brain can see that their ultimate goal is to turn back all the progress of the 19th and 20th centuries and return the world to a state of misery and oppression under the rule of the ‘elite’.

Pablo you have a severe problem in your brain where you HAVE to defend Republicans no matter what,, I’m serious in that it’s a problem, it warps your better judgement. 

Don’t bother explaining to this retard why we need labor laws… it’s not worth it, he can’t win, he’s a loser, lol. 

Newt Gingrich is the embodiment of right-wing moral decay and insider profiteering. 

Go after Janitors, but just don’t go after elected officials who leave congress to become million-dollar lobbyists, or in Newt;s case, “historian.”

It is going to be hilarious to see the tea-nuts embrace Mr DC insider Newt.

Gingrich has had his snout in more troughs than a sow at the Iowa fair.

Laws change, enforcement of existing laws change, that is 2 reasons why unions will always be needed.

What is a union?  A union is not some huge organization based in some far away city.  A union is the workers at each individual place of employment that band together to negotiate their contract with their employers.  Republicans and corporations don’t like unions because they have to live up to the rules that they negotiated. 

And as for bankrupting companies.. right now, US corporations have the highest cash reserves that they’ve ever had… over $2T. 

How much do you make?  Janitors make between $24k & $32k per year.  And your position is what?

Maybe instead of making BS remarks that all unions need to be disbanded, you should join one.

One of Marxist principles is to  take over businesses and create jobs for everyone according to their ability.  He has regulated less than Bush. He loaned money to GM and Chrysler, but thats not taking over all businesses.

Look up the wages for school janitor.  It’s no where near 80k, and they don’t work 30 hours a week.  They are there at 6-7am and leave after the kids.  The average pay for a school janitor is between $24k-$32k

I think it’s hilarious that uninformed people keep coming up with this $80,000/yr number..   the same number was thrown out when the Big 3 auto makers were testifying in Congress about their failures… Ya, there were employees making 80k a yr.. but in order to make that cash, they worked EVERY DAY, 12 hrs a day, 7 days a week.  I know, because I did it. 104 hrs a week.. for 50 weeks, and I still only made 54k

Pable
You need a brain. I’ll chip in 2 cents- give me the address of your box home.

You do realize that the Far Right candidates want to do away with the Minimum Wage all together. Bachmann is the prime example. I doubt if many Republicans are that far off in how much they will pay kids.

After serving his country in the Navy and then Army for 30 years total, my father became a school custodian. He trained to be a Sears repairman, but was rejected once he finished due to his blood pressure… 

Her rose from being a grunt to lead custodian and supported his wife and three children (including my special needs sister and diabetic brother) on his wages. 

But, according to Newt, who’s never missed a meal, he should have been fired and his job given to someone who’d work for less? 

Besides, shouldn’t poor kids be in school… as students?

Let’s keep it in the family- only fire a janitor if he has a 9 or 10 year old to put in his job- this is pure Republican insanity- and Newt is certainly insane- he became a Catholic to get rid of some of the guilt
but i think he misunderstood confession- it only absolves you if you’re really sorry. people whose every move is hypocritical still go to hell- How could he have any supporters? He didn’t have a drinking problem but he did the AA program? Was it because there are no records of that newtie? AA has the worst success rate of any program and the guy who thinks he’s a genius picks that one? Who was his sponsor?
He’d never even get by the first step- admit you’re powerless- newt would never admit that- when Clinton made him get off the plane by the back door newtie shut the government down. No passive- aggression there huh? 

I see people outraged about this idea, and I wonder why.
- Is it because it might be uncool for a child to clean the toilets? Well, that can be solved with leaving the toilets to the adult janitor. Sweeping the floor is a perfectly ‘clean’ job.
- Is it because a child will be looked down by his classmates when he is working while they are having a party? If so, this is precisely opposite of what America is all about, the problem with the sense of entitlement that you, democrats, have caused. This is what dra
- Is it that eliminating an inefficient job (service per money) would make the economy worse? If you think so, go learn something about economy.
- Is it that firing someone who was a parasite on the taxpayers would create a moral hazard? It’s actually the opposite.
So, what seems to be the problem with Gingrich’s idea?

That’s why unions were needed in the first place. You can’t trust Republicans to do the right thing. The robber barons abused their workers until unions fought their way in- in some cases unions have become as destructive as the robber barons but cutting out unions will be just as bad as deregulation turned out to be. Republicans have a greed gene that needs to be removed at birth. 

Um, I believe Newt’s plan is for the POOREST schools in the POOREST neighbourhoods, not Beverly Hills high.

Wow head dishwasher at 15. Shoveling driveways Pablo- it doesn’t snow in mexico. I had a real job at 13 too- working on a laundry truck. I’d work all day and the guy paid me 50 cents or 75 cents if he was in a good mood. Those were the good old days. Slave labor.

Trying to extrapolate the wages paid to janitors in NYC to the wages earned in all of the other School Districts is a bit idiotic. The wages in the other 99% of the nation come nowhere near the $36K mark.

How many children are you sending to college on your $25K salary?

You picked New York as having representative salaries? Do the word “fair” ring a bell? What do janitors
max out at in Alabama or Mississippi? That might be more realistic than New York City. 

Our “child labor” laws generally allow a kid to be officially employed at 12 years old. That doesn’t include working in a family business, or doing odd jobs, or even volunteering.

I think you proggies just don’t like teaching children about work. I think it does them a great benefit and I’m glad I learned those lessons young.

You don’t think that’s a real job? No, William, I think you just outed yourself.

If you worked all day for 50 cents, you’re a moron. Unless you’re like 80.

It may be for the poorest of the poor, but I’d like to see it happen in all of the rich school districts too.
If they find that it’s OK for their Rich Kids to work then I’ll give my approval to Newt’s proposal. Until then I al totally against this. *When I say that it should be used in the Rich Schools, they should use the kids of the rich, not the kids of the poorer kids.

Oh, it was Uncle Sam that taught me to be ornery. Rawr!

There are also families that would welcome the opportunity to prostitute their girls out for an extra buck. What families are willing to do isn’t always right–and child labor is not right. Buffalogal is right. If we allowed child labor, they’d get payed less than their adult counterparts AND put an adult out of a job. Which would inevitably leave at least one more mouth hungry.

Besides, why would the families be entitled to wages the children earned? It would be THEIR money. If adults were able to take it from them, they’d basically be slaves to their parents. Children should never support their parents. Ever. I’d rather the state provide support than innocent children. 

I was answering a question. That must have been you doing that extrapolation, which is a bit idiotic.

Like?

I did? Yes! I don’t know. You should look it up. Maybe!

If you’ve spent years of hard labor rising to Janitor, you’re doing it wrong.

Uh, no. Technology is not learning nor is it teaching. 

Might as well just go on welfare!

Besides bombing Iran, what would Grandpa McCain and caribou Barbie done to bring America out of the Bush depression, keep on going with more of the same policies that created the mess in the first place?

Yes instead of studying and tring to get grades to get into collage they should be put to work so they can learn about their place in society, if your family is not rich you don’t deserve to go to collage, the USSA needs ditch diggers, burger flippers and soldiers, jobs that can not be out sourced yet.

That’s the real goal. The “work at school” is just the Trojan Horse that opens the flood gates. Child labor is common in other countries. When conservatives talk about breaking up unions and deregulating industries, that’s the end result.

Can’t wait fer da work houses. Gawd bless us, everyone!

i think its awesome that we can talk about kids taking care of their own schools. how fricken cool would that be? trouble is that you would have to make sure that those kids are getting their homework done and that everyone was getting a fair stab at the money yo. the checks would have to go to the parents which wouldnt necessarily always be benefiting the family at large right? lots of things to consider, but all in all not a bad idea.

I did it in grade 6! I was payed to sweep the floors, and carry water from a pump in the neighborhood, to the school water cooler. It was a country school, and I remember being proud and enthusiastic about the money I was making. It meant I was a big kid, they didn’t let grade 5s do it! My sence of worth went up. I was needed by the school. In grade 9 at the high school, I was given the responsibility of loading the coke machine, and retrieving the money. I remember the sense of responsibility I felt, and it felt good! I have been in private business for 43 years. I have employed over 100 people in that time, and been successful. This would be a great opportunity for poor children! Honest work for honest pay! A great idea.

Or you could not be so intellectually lazy and look it up yourself before you make an outrageous blanket statement. Here, I’ll do it for you. The source for labor and wage statistics is the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Here is the data for 2011. The posting window will screw up the spreadsheet data but it is from:

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes372011.htm

Employment (1)
Employment
RSE (3)
Mean hourly
wage
Mean annual
wage (2)
Wage RSE (3)

2,058,610
0.5 %
$11.81
$24,560
0.3 %
Percentile wage estimates for this occupation:

Percentile
10%
25%
50%
(Median)
75%
90%

Hourly Wage
$7.86
$8.78
$10.68
$13.94
$17.88

Annual Wage (2)
$16,340
$18,250
$22,210
$28,990
$37,190

My wife and I also ,took into our family a girl that was in real difficulty with her family. Her family was on welfare and played the system like a game. One of our goals was to get her out of the “welfare” mindset. Welfare would pay her $200.00 per month for spending money, plus $200.00 for room and board. I decided that if she could have a savings account, she might be inspired to stay off welfare. I proposed to her that if she could save $100.00 of the $200.00 allotted to her, I would match her $100.00. If she couldn’t save the $100.00, then she owed it to me. I also created jobs around the farm for her to do, that I payed her about $4 per hour. She did not want to work. She didn’t mind living cheap, in order to save her $100, but hated work. She would do jobs poorly, and I would make her do it again. She even went to foster care, to complain, about not getting minimum wage. After 1 1/2 years with us, she moved on, angry at us, but with $4800.00 in savings! Twelve years later, she is back in our life, as our friend! She is happily married, with a son, runs her own daycare, owns her own house. She loves my wife and I dearly ,and is a productive member of society!

The rich kids don’t need the money! The money the poor kids earned would help them greatly. Besides, learning to properly clean, whether it’s toilets or floors, is a useful life skill.

Kids cleaning will also police the kids who thoughtlessly litter. Too bad the OWS vermin didn’t learn to clean!

If the kids make a lousy job of cleaning, instead of making them do it right, you rescue them! You are a terrible teacher! You are teaching students, that poor performance is acceptable. It’s not! They will learn that the first day on the job, provided they don’t work for the government, or become teachers.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Newt is not talking about high schoolers.  If you’re capable of reading more than two words, you’ll take note that Newt was talking about kids as young as 9.

Tommy Christopher has a very low opinion of janitorial work. It is honest work!

It’s hard to believe you’re of this century.

only in the mind of Newt Gingrich is a janitor considered to be holding a cushy, pampered position.

Republicans are now on record for wanting to bring back child labor (Newt) and eliminate the minimum wage (Cain, Bachmann, Raese, others), put the children of unwed teens in orphanges (Newt) and bring back debtor’s prisons (Newt.

Why do these regressive trolls want us to relive Dickensian England so much?

They hate the progressive reforms of the early 20th century and want to go back to the conditions that gave us the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory.

You’re a complete idiot. Even your buddy, Chris Matthews realizes what a loser your “organizer in chief” is. HAHAHA http://youtu.be/N98BJiytIdQ  Watch and weep.  Personally, I don’t think ANYONE presented before us is qualified to lead this great Nation. But don’t turn on me because you see your party falling apart. 

President Gingrich would work to enact a society in which toddlers slave away in sweatshops to make dresses for First Mistress Callista.

Spin it, change the meaning and do whatever to try to make a stupid comment from Newt valid!

Out of the entire country, you found a grand total of 20 guys in one measly district.
You know damn well this is a bizarre isolated case and not representative of the entire country.

BREAKING: In fight on corrupt lobbying, Freddy Mac to fire all its “historians” and replace them with children.

Kinda like chalk duty. The teachers pets were the only kids allowed to do it.

This is as close as Tommy Christopher gets to a substantive policy discussion.  And it isn’t very close.

Mediaite has turned into Maddow-world, a theme park in which policy discussions are completely ignored unless they allow a liberal to score a trivial point.  Any resemblance to news, journalism or intelligent commentary is purely coincidental.

You think alot of yourself,… a least you have that! Now work on truth and facts!

Oh for God’s sake….I grew up in the 1950s and 60s, when  lot of kids started working at 14 (including me) and even then, we had a real adult as a janitor!! Because the janitor had to keep the coal-fired boiler working to heat the building. Kids dusted blackboards, but they did not scrub floors, not even in Catholic schools. Newt is delusional!

How do you know it’s true? You don’t! This clown is know to lie and it sounds like crap anyway!

How did you spin that crap out of that?

Is this a love thing? Pablo hasn’t made sense from the start on this topic! He just can’t quit because he’s a child and knows he’s losing! Newt made a stupid statement, he’ll walk back or spin in a day or two, so why support Newt’s slip?

Just get babies to do everything. And get toddlers to train them. And pay all of them nothing. 

You don’t even buy that crap! Average, not rare senior staff! Spin, baby spin!

Well Mr, Gingrich…we all know that you got your start in high school, by boinking your high school teacher! Guess it beats mopping  floors!

I feel better now, he meant replace janitor’s with LIBERAL KIDS.

My child can do the same as I am at the moment and get a student loan. Since we’re on the subject, I am working and going to school full time so I can make a better life for my family. In the meantime, I’m not going to whine because other people make more than I do. Income inequality is the biggest joke. Of course there is income inequality. Why does it matter if someone is rich? What business of it is yours? People have the ability to make money based on the decisions they make(or dont make). I dont feel sorry for anyone that is out there demonstrating. Liberals hate me. They hate me because I make LESS than $25000 per year and I dont complain with them. I do things for myself and my family. I live within my means. I dont protest the people who have worked so hard to make something of themselves. I GET OUT AND DO SOMETHING! I get out and try to better myself. I prove that the liberal agenda is a LIE. I am living proof that its all a fraud. People dont need to be equal in income in order for everyone to be happy. People just need to count their blessings. OUR COUNTRY HAS AN OBESITY PROBLEM AMONGST THE LOWER CLASS! Noone goes without unless they refuse help. 

Im not saying you are lying or you’re wrong but I have never heard this. So obviously that doesnt mean it isnt true but I havent seen this so could you please cite your source. I would like to hear her say this herself.

I make less than that. I make $8 per hour and work 35 hours(which is the most I am able to get at my job). I also attend school full time. I also receive VA disability for injuries sustained during service. Those combined come to around $21,000 per year. My position is well stated. Please go on my profile and read my previous post. I make no secret of it. 

Perhaps after being abused by Democrats for 50 years and being culturally deprived of parental guidance caused by government destruction of black family structure, it is time to teach children how to work.  Working for a living is not standing around waiting for “the man” to tell the worker what to do next, it is about recognizing what needs to be done, and doing it.  If a father doesn’t tell his child this it is never learned.  This is a first step in the right direction, toward developing contributing members of society, rather than keeping them in the 47% who contribute nothing, as Democrats would prefer.

If weenie liberals think that pushing a broom or a mop for a few hours is abuse, I submit that dealing with the stupidity of liberals is far more abusive to the rest of us.

You obviously fell into the job market a little too early.

YES. JANITORS ON THE WEEKDAYS. YOU KEEP ANSWERING YOUR OWN QUESTIONS IDIOT

Moron

Tommy Christopher, what I’m interested in is how did you become a reporter? Oh never mind, the Internet hired you… Anyone with an opinion and a computer can now report. Carry on but whatever you do, keep twisting the words and ignoring the idea behind the policies of those with whom you disagree. If you don’t you might end up reporting with dignity and Truth. And Believe me, no one wants that crap anymore. : )

Does he even have supporters still!? His 15min are about!

Dont laugh.  I know someone who went to school in China.  Schools operate 6 days a week and at the end of the school day kids have to stick around to clean the school before they go home

Not the end of the world.  And by the way these people are eating the US’s lunch right now in the world economy.

This aint China and that’s a stupid idea coming from the self proclaimed “Change Agent”….

Ummm, Madam Callista is not First Mistress by anyone’s scorecard…

Well, if you were doing it now to support your family in a tough economy you would probably hope that Newt didn’t become Prez because you would be handing your keys over to a 12 year old.

Maybe if you had been able to work less and study more, you would have learned to spell *sense* and you would have learned that because *Coke* is a brand name, it is capitalized.

Why do we need to teach kids to work if we’re going to eliminate all the jobs?

For a supposed clever man, Gingrich talks some stupid shit.

It wasn’t the school’s fault that I don’t spell perfectly, or capitalize ” Coke”! I never became so successful at school that I earned a degree in English literature, like all the ” successful” people! However, for a guy with such poor spelling and literary skills, I have accomplished a lot in my life. I am in the 1%, as far as income, as are both of my children. I have been married to the most beautiful woman in the world for 34 years. I spend my days, surrounded by friends. I am loved! Those are the things I am proud of. So, sorry about the spelling! I’m also sorry that you are such a petty person, that you judge a man’s worth, by things of such little significance. Pomposity is really unattractive.

You proved the point yet again. You display no discipline and even less Grace.

michelle bachman, minimum wage – for thghtsmyown. just Google those words,

Maybe we could get the poor kids to make wallets in art class as well.  Their tiny hands would be great for the fine stitching required.  They could make a few cents per wallet, which would teach them to be the subservient little less-than-minimum wagers that we all know they’re going to be.  And instead of wasting their hard earned wages on food they could work in the cafeteria serving lunch to their classmates.  If that’s not character building I don’t know what is.  Thanks uncle Newt!

Janitors don’t make six figures.  Stop lying.

That’s nice, Jeff. But I didn’t make a blanket statement. Thanks for playing anyway!

OSTCARIO,

I assume, (hope) you are just being humorous?  

You know, we’ve all heard of Lemonade stands being shut down by overzealous bureaucrats as well as family businesses not being allowed to let their younger children work?

Conversely, the great labor laws that were legislated and adjudicated in the late 19th, early 20th century’s, extricated children and woman from toiling in unsafe working conditions?  Truly, a harbinger of modernity?

What Newt Gingrich represents, to me, is a philosophy that rekindles the Capitalist, industrial machine that made America strong, yet, enlightened.  A Nation wise enough to let kids be aspiring entrepreneurs, as well as keep them out the coal mines, so to speak.

What Socialist-Democrats represent to me is a philosophy of weakness and the over-encumbrance of Government regulation.  Even if your comment is one of mirth, such portends to the PC. (politically correct)  Ergo, (to coin a phrase) I find a philosophy of “economic politically correct” far more unpalatable than Mr. Gingrich’s musings.

The Purveyor of Rhetoric

I read these comments and wonder, if at birth, your ability to think was defective.  Your thought process is certainly not showing any clarity.  Mostly what I see is the pablum fed to you by socialists leaning proponents.  Apparently, you have no ability to use logic and common sense in order to relate to statements made by others.  Your minds are so clouded with pre-conceived opinions, you lose the ability to relate to the concepts coming from others.  Unless you can truly decern what is being said, you will be clueless to determine if you agree or not.  Unfortunately, you have allow the authors of the article to lead you down the road they have selected for your brain to follow.  Wake people and do your own thinking!

i had a feeling that your dumb ass would be the dipshit that agrees with newt…..then again youve managed to prove over and over in this thread…..YOURE A GAWD DAMM IDIOT!!!!!!!

I’LL ACCEPT YOUR CHALLENGE DIPWAD…….like i said earlier…..YOURE A GAWD DAMM IDIOT

I was abused as a child by an elementary school teacher who forced me to clap the chalk board erasers.  The chalk dust would enter my lungs through my nose, mouth, and esophagus.  From this, I later developed PTSD anytime someone would expect me to learn something.  I wanted to sue the government, but Herman Cain’s victim, the one who wanted a Harvard scholarship because her request to work from home was denied, said my claim was frivilous.
 

You have not commented on the article.
You have pulled together all of the accusatory buzz words that can be used to critique any comments by anybody and thrown them at whom?
The author, Tommy Christopher?
Just so you know, I got my first job at 14, and I liked and needed it. It was in a grocery store. It was limited to two hours after school. Nine is too young, and doing janitor work requires more than cleaning toilets and takes a lot more time than two hours.
Replacing hard working men (and women) with children does not reduce poverty. Paying 14 year-olds to do cleaning work at schools does make some sense in the ways that Gingrich describes, but only as part-time jobs and not when it replaces adult janitors who need the work and do it with pride.
Gingrich insults all janitors everywhere and needs to concentrate on getting more federal and state money to improve teaching programs and incentives.

I verify that, having taught at schools in China.
However, janitors do much more than clean toilets, wipe of chalk boards, and pick up litter. Janitors do real maintenance work and earn their pay.

I think we should also fire ATM machines and airport Kiosks in order to hire tellers and airplane ticketers….Remember when stupid Newt Gingrich said that too?

Let’s examine this a little bit. Let’s say a poor kid lives with his working mother and his little half-brother in the projects. He never met his father and has half-brother’s father is in jail. His mother works but it’s close to minimum wage and has no benefits. But that’s okay since her some medical care for her children is picked up due to her low wage. Sad circumstances, right? The oldest boy, say nine, is only a fair student in school but still learning. He hears that the janitor is going to be replaced by students and applies! He gets the job! How great is that!? Then, with his first pay check, he finds out that it throws his household over the limits of financial aid and his mother loses her healthcare and food stamps. The kid now has to drop out of school and find another job to help put food on the table. Thanks Newt.

You brought bAck a memory for me. I also had to clap the chalkboard erasers. I must be a victim also!

You, BWare & Mr Jason are a total waste of my time. Your wee minds can’t possibly comprehend sensibility, so no further correspondence  is necessary on your part. Im done with dumb people! lol
Have a happy Thanksgiving.

I’m stunned that my Republican friends like this idea. One replied, “Not opposed to the idea at all!!!! ‘Mom, you tell me we don’t have money and the gov’t doesn’t give us enough. I’ve got a way to make more money’. At 11, if I wanted more I babysat at $1/hr per kid. Cleaning tables would have been much less stressful and paid better too.”

I can’t believe I’m actually having to argue in defense of child labor laws!

Shhh! You an preempting Newt’s new energy policy.

You guys are all missing the point.

I remember years ago that educators said one of the factors that made Japanese schools so much better than their counterparts in the USA was that the kids were taught a work ethic in part by cleaning the school after classes, just like he or she would be expected at home to help clear the table after dinner.

Such activities by Japanese students also eliminated and possibility of vandalism or graffiti, because the kids would be the ones cleaning the damage.  Peer pressure and all that.

So while many of you are huffing about “how idiotic” Newt’s comment was, don’t be surprised if a majority of the voters in this country say, “Damn right!  It’s about time!”

operative word PAD salaries, read the entire article, there are worms in every barrel using the abnormal to justify your argument negates your premise. 
Radef and Fitzgerald were among six custodians who took home more than $150,000 last year — and among the 20 who hauled in more than $140,000, the records show.
The janitors’ base salary maxes out at $106,329, according to their latest contract — about $6,000 more than the maximum salary for teachers.
“The idea that custodians make more than teachers is outrageous,” fumed former Schools Chancellor Harold O. Levy.
Head custodians can earn extra income in one of two ways, including through “temporary care” assignments at schools that don’t have a permanent custodial engineer. That work typically lasts less than two months but doesn’t require that janitors clock in beyond normal work hours.
Head janitors also can pad their pay by helping out at other schools on nights or weekends — which in Fitzgerald’s case nearly doubled his $92,100 base salary.
Radef, a 36-year veteran assigned to Roosevelt HS in The Bronx, earned an extra $53,000 last year by helping out evenings at Truman HS.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/janitors_clean_up_zEecMaKxzR8m202QAPiVZP#ixzz1eMeL81gN

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Ode to a newt :

Newt oh newt, they say your so smart
But the things you say smell like an ol’ fart
Lying ‘n cheatin’ and chattering like a weasel
Your thoughts emanate from a place of pure evil
history shows us again from afar
Just how hollow and despitic you are

The only problem he has is janitors can vote kids cant

What job did Newt have when he was 9? Or his kids? What jobs did his kids have when they were in elementary school?

Hey Newt. “This” is your jobs bill? Really?

Minimum wage was $1.60 in 1971, so it’s safe to say that you (and I) weren’t being exploited at $2.00 per hour.  We actually did better back in the 60s & 70s because  minimum wage has failed to keep up with inflation over the past 30 years.

Does Newt work for Veridian Dynamics?

As a child I had a job for three hours on a Friday night and for six hours on Saturday. My parents had limited resources and this was augmented by vast amounts of love. My sisters also had after school jobs.We were all scholarship students post high school. We were not exploited either by the people who gave us the jobs or our parents. Those jobs helped me to behave courteously to customers, develop self reliance, taught me the beginning of how to plan and manage money and enabled me acquire to self esteem generated by my efforts. That self motivation was far more valuable than any money I ever earned. I can’t help but think other poor kids could also benefit. I read the statement made by Mr Gingrich but did not construe it as a call to send children into a fate worse than death. No child should be forced into labor at a young age but if he wishes to try a job with strict rules in regard to work hours allowed with parental consent it might yield a while lot more than money.

All the nitwits that are outraged by Newt’s idea are the FAT…LAZY…OBESE parents of their FAT…LAZY….OBESE kids whom…GOD FORBID…ask them to do some work or a chore will turn around and SUE their parents for abuse. It’s MUCH ,more important for these BABIES to make sure they have their Ipods..Iphons..Nintendo’s..Ipads..WII’s…so hey can lay around and get even more FAT!!!  I say the youth in this country NEEDS a good KICK in a REAR so PUT the little FATSO’s to work and also help clean up some of the illegal immigration problem at the same time.  Newt is SPOT ON!!!

Okay, so I’m old enough to have a dad that worked during the depression.  As an “employed family member” he shot squirrels for family food and caddied for golfers who were still plush during the depression.  He made breakfast (irrelevant to the present argument, admittedly).  In some context child labor laws are appropriate — those who were hired in textiles and were thereby deprived of opportunities to learn in school.  Others, like my father, had mixed results…little food, sleepless nights.  But those in-between benefited immensely.  Outstanding schools usually have students who take some material interest in its welfare…it could be as mundane as cleaning the “boards” or rooms on an equalitarian basis (i.e. not because of financial need) or as substantial as plannig the next day’s lesson.  So in sum, I’d like a greater appreciation of the notion of child labor laws.

That makes sense to me.  Perhaps the free school lunch program could be converted to a work for your lunch program.  Seems to me it would instill a self worth element to those who currently see this as a handout.  And, it would not be a stretch to suggest that some of them might even perform well enough to get an upgrade on their lunch!  Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

Forget about Newt, it’s the idea he presented that is worth discussing.

I am a liberal. I worry about child labor in 3rd world countries. PLEASE., PLEASE, PLEASE let out children at LEAST do chores! They should clean their own schools under the supervision of teachers and janitors. Maybe then we wouldn’t have dirty streets and parks. The little slackers think the world is their trash bin and oyster. That is plain wrong!!!!!

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I don’t think he said that they would work full-time.   Newt’s point is valid.  Myself, I started working in my parents’ print shop (sweeping floors, collating, etc.) when I was 8, and was paid for that instead of allowance.  From that point forward, I learned the value of work.  I have a better work ethic than many because of it.  I can’t believe people doubt Pablo’s story — it makes as much sense as anyone.  A lot of people have started this way, as kids.  It is not unheard of for a teenager to have a minor “leadership position” in a fast food setting, so why doubt his story?

Forget the financial end of it — I like Newt’s idea just because it would instill a work ethic.  I’m a teacher, and let me tell you, the work ethic of students I see is constantly lowering.  I can’t believe what I see when I go to the places where teenagers work, as a result.  I have sworn off White Castle altogether after one too many times of sitting in the drive-thru listening to one side of a cell phone conversation through an open window.  Learning a work ethic early would do more than anything to boost our economy long-term, though its short-term benefits are arguable.

Doesn’t anyone think that it is funny that employees can get together and set wages (that’s what unions do) and yet it is illegal for companies to get together and set prices?  

Not all Far Right candidates want that.  And honestly from an economic stand point minimum wage is very inefficient.  A simple Econ class will show the harms to society in setting minimum wage.  Like I said above… doesn’t anyone think that it is funny that employees can get together and set wages (that’s what unions do) and yet it is illegal for companies to get together and set prices? 

 What is he going to propose next, repeal slavery? That will probably fit right up your conservative right winged asses just fine, wouldn’t it! Why don’t you racist MF’s just come out and say what you really want to say. Please give me a break with your BS! 

That is exactly what they want to happen, we aren’t that damn stupid!

Yes, light cleaning is done by students in many countries, such as Germany, Japan, and the US. In my public school (I graduated HS in ’08, so this is not historical) we cleaned up at the end of the day. The last bit of 7th hour we would wipe down desks, pick up litter, etc. But being a Janitor is completely different. Are they going to call poor kids out of class to clean up if one of their fellow students threw-up? We need kids in the classroom for as long as possible, we don’t want to distract them from their studies. Also, the chemicals used to clean a school are far stronger than the ones utilized for home use. A 9 year old using an endocrine disrupting cleaner is not a good idea.

Rich kids don’t need the money, but they need to learn how to use their time in a more productive way.  Before drugs came to the inner city, my husband worked at a playground in an upscale neighborhood which was frequented by rich movie stars offspring.  Every day he told me the Police were raiding the park.  The kids had lots of money and time on their hands so they bought and smoked dope.  All kids need age appropriate work to keep them out of trouble.  They also need a good education.  We don’t know who the next Steve Jobs will be.     frizzymstarbaby2

Although Newt Gingrich is a very smart man, a brilliant author of dozens of books with significant knowledge of U. S. History — he is a cold, calculating man.  A lot can be said about a man’s character who will cheat on 2 wives to marry the women with whom he was having an affair.  Reportedly, he had a 6-year affair with Callista, his new wife, while still married to his 2nd wife.  In fact, based on news articles this week,  he divorced his second wife while she was suffering with severe cancer to marry his present wife, Callista.
 
So how then, can we be surprised that he wants to have adult janitors fired and put children as young as 9 to 14 years of age doing maintenance work.  This sounds like Communist MAO who put children to work in the fields.  Secondly, a no-brainer idea like this wold also eliminate JOBS for adults who need to work to provide for their families.  
 
Be a smart voter … watch and listen carefully to the candidates.  Read their backgrounds and KNOW more about that person instead of quickly JUMPING ON EVERY BAND-WAGON that looks good that week.  We’vehad the excitement of hearing nothing but the “9-9-9 Plan” and now that has faded away, but people are ready to jump again without knowing anything about the person other than what they see on stage.
 
While candidates rise and fall — who stands stable and solid and is a man of character, integrity, and has been a successful businessman, politician, and entrepreneur — as well as a dedicated family man married to only 1 wife for more 40 years?  MITT ROMNEY and he is the most qualified candidate to become our next President.
 
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LOL Sooooooo many holes in this plan… We need actual ideas, not ideas that are going to give bad teenagers cash… lol

If you had a job you would not have the time to loaf in front of the computer eating Cheetos and writing stupid lyrics. You would have made a great candidate for Newt’s child work ethics program. Go Newt!

Maybe he is talking over your head. Ever been poor and wanted to stay warm? You would be glad to work. If you can’t see that then it’s not Newt who is talking stupid shit it’s you.

yes but in japan everyone cleans up.. not just the poor.. Rich and poor work together to clean up so you or if you are a parent of a middle class or rich student then they should clean up too.. not just poor inner city kids

It will depend on the qualities of the kid.

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