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Obama’s Reasoning For Not Releasing Bin Laden Death Photo: ‘That’s Not Who We Are’

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We’ve been anxiously awaiting the White House’s decision on whether or not it would release any of the photos from the raid on Osama bin Laden‘s compound – especially an image of bin Laden’s corpse taken after the fact. Well, the wait is over: White House press secretary Jay Carney today announced that a decision has been made and it’s a staunch “no, we won’t be releasing any images.” And it would appear that the reasons are twofold. Not only is the President concerned about what releasing the photos may mean for national security, he is also concerned with maintaining a specific image for the U.S. in the eyes of the world.

Carney quoted President Obama’s thoughts on the matter, shared doing an interview with CBS’ 60 Minutes:

We discussed the matter internally. Keep in mind that we are absolutely certain that this is him. We’ve done DNA sampling and testing, so there is no doubt that we killed Osama bin Laden.

It is important for us to make sure that very graphic photos of someone who has been shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence or as a propaganda tool. That’s not who we are. We don’t trot out this stuff as trophies.

The fact of the matter is, this was someone who was deserving of the justice that he received. And I think Americans and people around the world are glad that he is gone. But we don’t need to spike the football, and I think that, given the graphic nature of these photos, it would create some national security risk. And I’ve discussed this with Bob Gates and Hillary Clinton and my intelligence teams and they all agree.

Have a look at Carney’s full statement:

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  • Liberal Tormentor

    Not only is the President concerned about what releasing the photos may mean for national security, he is also concerned with maintaining a specific image for the U.S. in the eyes of the world.

    NO problem with the Abu Graib photos though.

  • http://TheDividedStatesBlog.com Publius219

    What interest is served by releasing the photos? Other than satisfying the morbid curiosity of many (me included), it seems it would have more potential for harm than good.

  • BatBoy

    These guys make up a story each time they get in front of a microphone.

    This way, the public stays focused on UBL, after all they screwed up and released the Birth Certificate.

  • http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

    How many versions of this story will we get?
    I wish Gates, Hillary, and Panetta would make up their minds, decide on a story, and stick to it…

  • BlueBunny

    JAY CARNEY DOES A NICE JOB AS THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY! HE ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS AND IS PRECISE!

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Are you drunk, blue bonnett?

  • BatBoy

    CIA Chief Leon Panetta: Photo Of Bin Laden Will Be Released

    Somone quick….get over to th CIA and tell Panetta he needs to change his story!

  • Paul G

    BlueBunny said:
    JAY CARNEY DOES A NICE JOB AS THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY! HE ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS AND IS PRECISE!

    Are you his sister?

  • Liberal Tormentor

    The admin has been shooting themselves in the foot since Bin Laden was killed. They are totally fumbling the aftermath, trying to come of with the best version of the story.

  • MrTPar_taY

    One of you Demo’Crupt experts needs to look up the ramifications of the Geneva convention with this. Any of you left-wing fruitcakes got a clue? Well do ya, punks? LMFAO-heheheheheheheh

  • BlueBunny

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    Are you drunk, blue bonnett?

    NO,BUT YOU MUST BE! YOU CAN’T SEEM TO GET YOUR CHARACTERS TO SPELL MY NAME CORRECTLY!

  • seek

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    Not only is the President concerned about what releasing the photos may mean for national security, he is also concerned with maintaining a specific image for the U.S. in the eyes of the world. NO problem with the Abu Graib photos though.

    You know that’s exactly what my husband said while listening to the news conference. One rule for the d’s and another one for the r’s. Personally I don’t have any problem with not releasing the photos, hubby does. – so we disagree and that’s fine too. We are adults and we think what we think.

  • seek

    BlueBunny said:
    NO,BUT YOU MUST BE! YOU CAN’T SEEM TO GET YOUR CHARACTERS TO SPELL MY NAME CORRECTLY!

    quit yelling. Makes you seem stupid and extremely desperate.

  • BlueBunny

    Paul G said:
    Are you his sister?

    NO! I THINK IT WOULD BE A DIFFICULT JOB FOR ANYONE! HE SEEMS TO HANDLE PRESSURE WELL!

  • goldmind

    That’s fine with me. There is no excuse, to withhold the DNA results and have them independently confirmed as that of the wicked wretch of the east. Which is to say, allow members of all coalition nations, to do an independent test of the DNA.

  • Paul G

    BatBoy said:
    CIA Chief Leon Panetta: Photo Of Bin Laden Will Be Released

    Somone quick….get over to th CIA and tell Panetta he needs to change his story!

    Leon forward Panetta is just Bidening his time till O’Donnell joins KO.

  • http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

    BlueBunny said:
    JAY CARNEY DOES A NICE JOB AS THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY! HE ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS AND IS PRECISE!

    ?!

  • Paul G

    seek said:
    quit yelling. Makes you seem stupid and extremely desperate.

    seem?

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Seek, I’m personally on the fence about releasing the photos, it’s the liberal hypocrisy that gets me.

  • notsofast

    BlueBunny said:
    JAY CARNEY DOES A NICE JOB AS THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY! HE ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS AND IS PRECISE!

    Yeah, particularly yesterday when asked exactly how the unarmed UBL was “resisting” when he was shot dead, Carney reverted to the old Jackie Gleason answer of ” hummana hummana hummana.”

  • BlueBunny

    seek said:
    quit yelling

    I CAN NOT SEE MY SCREEN UNLESS I YELL! DO NOT READ IF IT BOTHERS YOU!

  • seek

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    The admin has been shooting themselves in the foot since Bin Laden was killed. They are totally fumbling the aftermath, trying to come of with the best version of the story.

    the more they say, the more questions arise. Funny how that goes. Perhaps if our Pres had stayed off the freaking golf course and had a meeting with his inner sanctum about what would be said and by whom – these problems would have not arisen.

  • seek

    BlueBunny said:
    I CAN NOT SEE MY SCREEN UNLESS I YELL! DO NOT READ IF IT BOTHERS YOU!

    well then go spend 50 cents and get some glasses at your local drugstore.

  • More Liberty5

    Yesterday it was who we are…guess that changed. Also, wasn’t “enhanced interrogation techniques” not who we are?

  • notsofast

    BatBoy said:
    Somone quick….get over to th CIA and tell Panetta he needs to change his story!

    Which one? The one about UBL shooting at the Seals, the one about a woman being used as a human shield, the one about the guards firing upon the Seals, or my favorite lib story, how the helicopter was shot down?

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    Obama is turning his victory into a mixed up mess. LOL
    There is NO excuse for not releasing the photo.
    There was a photo of Saddam Hussein.
    There was a photo of Tojo.
    There was a photo of Mussilini.
    There was a photo of Goering.
    There was a photo of the people that hanged that were involved in the Lincoln assasination.
    There was a photo of Dillinger. He was put on display for the press.
    I could go on and on, this excuse is NONSENSE.

  • seek

    besides bunnykins that’s about the stupidest argument for yelling I’ve ever heard. Have you ever heard of changing your font size if you can’t read the screen? Have no trouble reading responses now do you.

    Let’s admit it – you’re just an ignorant fool, and leave it at that.

  • More Liberty5

    Publius219 said:
    What interest is served by releasing the photos? Other than satisfying the morbid curiosity of many (me included), it seems it would have more potential for harm than good.

    An open and transparent government is always better than one that hides behind secrets, half-truths, lies and propaganda.

  • notsofast

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    Seek, I’m personally on the fence about releasing the photos, it’s the liberal hypocrisy that gets me.

    Yes, “we are so proud of what we did, we are dancing in the streets, but we don’t want anyone to see our handiwork.”

  • seek

    The truth about not releasing is they are afraid they will inflame all our peaceful Muslim brethren. Nobody has the guts to say it.

  • http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

    WH is handed the political gift of all gifts by Gates, Hillary, and Panetta and they are floundering like a wounded baby seal…
    Kiss that 10% poll bounce goodbye and say hello to President Pawlenty in 2012…

  • notsofast

    seek said:
    they are afraid they will inflame all our peaceful Muslim brethren.

    All 3 of ‘em??

  • BatBoy

    notsofast said:
    Which one? The one about UBL shooting at the Seals, the one about a woman being used as a human shield, the one about the guards firing upon the Seals, or my favorite lib story, how the helicopter was shot down?

    You are right…there are so many to choose from.

    Seriously, can you believe this? This administration has turned a positive for them into a Major NEGATIVE that has raised so many other questions.
    I think the administration is in complete breakdown…and they did it to themselves.

  • More Liberty5

    So it’s insensitive to release a dead photo of OBL, but just find and dandy to release photos of our flagged drapped coffins?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/world/americas/27iht-photos.1.20479953.html

    “In a reversal of an 18-year-old military policy that critics said was hiding the ultimate cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the news media will now be allowed to photograph the flag-draped coffins of America’s war dead as their bodies are returned to the United States, but only if the families of the dead agree.”

  • More Liberty5

    skoorbekim said:
    Kiss that 10% poll bounce goodbye and say hello to President Pawlenty in 2012

    Which would pretty much be the same as Obama.

    More War
    More Debt
    Bigger government

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    Let me see, the enemy shows videos while they chop off heads. They put bombs on chilren. They photo our dead troops and put them on the internet. Yet our dumb president thinks a photo will inflame them MORE. LOL. Obama is a joke.

  • seek

    notsofast said:
    Which one? The one about UBL shooting at the Seals, the one about a woman being used as a human shield, the one about the guards firing upon the Seals, or my favorite lib story, how the helicopter was shot down?

    The flawless exercise – the truth about the helicopter – hard landing. Guy got excited and misjudged the distance to the ground. lol

    It happened, not a big deal. Just love the libs version of the “perfect” exercise. Where humans are involved and adrenalin is rushing – nothing is perfect.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jay-Velez/881855382 Jay Velez

    @Alex Alvarez,

    Do you know anything about CBSNews.com posting the story originally quoting Obama as saying “Imagine how the American people would react if Al Qaeda killed one of our troops or military leaders, and put photos of the body on the Internet,” and then updating it by attributing the quote to Chairman Mike Rogers without correction? Not a conspiracy theorist, just think it’s interesting.

  • http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

    More Liberty5 said:
    Which would pretty much be the same as Obama. More WarMore DebtBigger government

    Pawlenty is no Marxist…

    Libertarians are not electable… I say that with all due respect…

  • Paul G

    BlueBunny said:
    I CAN NOT SEE MY SCREEN UNLESS I YELL! DO NOT READ IF IT BOTHERS YOU!

    WOW! (AND I’M ONLY YELLING SO BLUEBUNNY CAN READ THIS)…..GET A REAL JOB!!!!! IF MEDIA MATTERS CAN’T AFFORD YOU A DIFFERENT SCREEN………..DO THEY HAVE YOU WASHING YOUR OWN GUYS DIAPERS NOW?

  • http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

    More Liberty5,
    Are you for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul?
    Will you be watching tomorrow’s SC debate?

  • jerrybobphil

    No spiking the football but end zone dances and victory laps are fine.

  • Conservative Tormentor

    What an extremely complicated and complex situation.Releasing those photos will only further enrage the small minority of radical Muslims and put our troops overseas in even more danger.Hmm,I congratulate president Obama for putting the safety of our troops first.Keep up the good work!

  • rubberneck

    Wow…he makes a good decision and refuses to back it up with evidence. Enjoy your bump Obama….it lasted what? 3 days?

  • BeckFinallyDemoted

    If you teagaggers want to see photos of a fundie with facial hair and an empty brain cavity can’t you just look at Sarah Palin pictures?

    _______________________________________________________________
    CAUTION: BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THESE EX-BIRTHERS, THEY ARE ARMED AND IGNORANT…

    Dem4Ever, The Lantern of Truth, juan, Arkansas Steve, murf, Jaurez
    WCinWI, Barack Must Go, NOBAMA, Colorado_Conservative, gordonbloyershow
    TeaPartyPatriot, notsofast, Severian, Dronetek, TfT, mitchflorida, skoorbekim
    mdanielson, Harry Flashman, OxyCon and NORBIT

  • notsofast

    NOBAMA 2012 said:
    Here’s Nancy Pelosi from a press conference on September 7, 2006:

    Is that the same Pelosi who said in 2009 that the CIA lies to Congress “all the time”?

  • Jaurez

    Remember how Obama couldn’t release the 2000 or so gitmo “abuse” photos fast enough? Is that “who we are?”

  • Liberal Tormentor

    BFD, don’t you have some tornado victims to ridicule?

  • More Liberty5

    skoorbekim said:
    Pawlenty is no Marxist…

    Obama’s no marxist either, he is a corporatist. I don’t care what he says – it’s about what he does and Obama is just another big government corporatist.

    I am for Ron Paul, although I know it is a long shot I will not deter from my principles. Many people have and when you do you get trillions of dollars in debt, interventionism, larger government and less liberty.

  • tatboy

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    If you teagaggers want to see photos of a fundie with facial hair and an empty brain cavity can’t you just look at Sarah Palin pictures? _______________________________________________________________CAUTION: BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THESE EX-BIRTHERS, THEY ARE ARMED AND IGNORANT… Dem4Ever, The Lantern of Truth, juan, Arkansas Steve, murf, JaurezWCinWI, Barack Must Go, NOBAMA, Colorado_Conservative, gordonbloyershowTeaPartyPatriot, notsofast, Severian, Dronetek, TfT, mitchflorida, skoorbekimmdanielson, Harry Flashman, OxyCon and NORBIT

    Really dude… get some class.

  • notsofast

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    BeckFinallyDemoted says:
    May 4, 2011 at 3:44 pm BeckFinallyDemoted(Quote)

    Speaking of empty brain cavities, when are you going to brush your Obama stained brown teeth, son?

  • BatBoy

    rubberneck said:
    ….it lasted what? 3 days?

    Most likely it will sink further down then it was because of the “Different Story every minute” that has come out of his administration.

    Unbelieveable, They “Snatched Defeat from the Jaws of Victory!”

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Tat, you either have class or you do not. It is not something that can be acquired.

  • tatboy

    I don’t know why the White House can’t just say that the Muslim extreamists would be more likely to kill innocent people if they had this put out and inflammed the jihadists.

  • Alice67

    BlueBunny said:
    I CAN NOT SEE MY SCREEN UNLESS I YELL! DO NOT READ IF IT BOTHERS YOU!

    PERHAPS IT’S TIME FOR ME TO START TYPING ALL IN CAPS TOO TO SHOW MY SUPPORT. :) WOOT! WOOT!

  • BeckFinallyDemoted

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    BFD, don’t you have some tornado victims to ridicule?

    I don’t think tornado victims are funny, I just think it’s funny when the number one selling item at Wallmart is walls.

    Too soon?

  • notsofast

    Alice67 said:
    PERHAPS IT’S TIME FOR ME TO START TYPING ALL IN CAPS TOO TO SHOW MY SUPPORT. :) WOOT! WOOT!

    Why not do something productive like using your teeth to make keys, dear?

  • AngelPeters

    For news junkies, this is an issue.

    For the vast majority of Americans, it’s not. Most Americans maybe curious about the photos, but they aren’t feeling some sort of desperate need of proof of death. Most of the world accepts the guy is history and at the bottom of the sea.

    Most really are worried about their wallets, not a photo of bin Laden’s brain matter

  • BeckFinallyDemoted

    I write all my own jokes. :)

  • BatBoy

    Let’s get Trump on this….he will get those Photo’s Released.

  • notsofast

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    I write all my own jokes. :)

    Son, you are your own joke.

  • Newsjunky

    I just love how this decision is driving the far-right wing conspiracy theorists on here absolutely crazy mad! LMAO! It’s making me soooo horny!

  • CAINtheBULL

    People that want to see the Bin Laden dead pictures… How many of you want your little kids to see them? because they will. Once it’s on the internet parents wont be able to block their kids from seeing the pics.

  • http://www.snowspot.net Snowspot

    I don’t really care about seeing Osama’s partial brain matter… in my opinion this story is done, as done as Osama.. time to move on.

  • notsofast

    Newsjunky said:
    I just love how this decision is driving the far-right wing conspiracy theorists on here absolutely crazy mad! LMAO! It’s making me soooo horny!

    LOL

    Posted before reading the thread , eh, son.

    Thought so.

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Is saying our troops are kill squads that kill woman and children in the dark of night “who we are”? What about comparing those in intelligence and the military to pol pot. Is that “who we are”.

  • BatBoy

    CAINtheBULL said:
    People that want to see the Bin Laden dead pictures… How many of you want your little kids to see them? because they will. Once it’s on the internet parents wont be able to block their kids from seeing the pics.

    It’s always for the kids.

    Maybe they could watch the beheadings that are on the internet too…then explain to them that UBL was a mass murderer and this is how they end their life.

  • cjd ohio 1

    Snowspot said:
    I don’t really care about seeing Osama’s partial brain matter… in my opinion this story is done, as done as Osama.. time to move on.

    well thanks, you deem it over and it is. lol

  • Paul G

    skoorbekim said:
    More Liberty5,
    Are you for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul?
    Will you be watching tomorrow’s SC debate?

    Hey skoor…I live in Albuquerque…AND a libertarian. I WAS a republican, until I got banned from Newsbusters (after 5 yrs there) (same screen name) because I used the the “f” word with people on my own side that said I should go to jail and fined for smoking cigarettes…….I know it’s a slippery slope. I’m not a fan of Marijuana…but….I don’t have a problem with someone smoking it in their own house. Same with drinking. Same with gay marriage. Same with prostitution. Slippery slope.

  • BeckFinallyDemoted

    Seriously though, I don’t need to see no stinkin’ photos.
    Would I be saying the same thing if Bush had not released them. Damn straight.

    How many of you teagaggers can say that? This is all about politics and playing gotcha with you guys and frankly it’s quite unbecoming.

  • cjd ohio 1

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    Seriously though, I don’t need to see no stinkin’ photos.Would I be saying the same thing if Bush had not released them. Damn straight. How many of you teagaggers can say that? This is all about politics and playing gotcha with you guys and frankly it’s quite unbecoming.

    lol. now you are lying

  • Liberal Tormentor

    As I said earlier, BFD, I don’t really care one way or the other. It’s the liberal hypocrisy I mind. This whole situation is turning you libs into human pretzels.

  • tatboy

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    Seriously though, I don’t need to see no stinkin’ photos.Would I be saying the same thing if Bush had not released them. Damn straight. How many of you teagaggers can say that?

    Me…

  • notsofast

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    Would I be saying the same thing if Bush had not released them. Damn straight.

    You were right the first time :”I write all my own jokes”

  • Paul G

    Paul G said:
    Hey skoor…I live in Albuquerque…AND a libertarian. I WAS a republican,….

    Johnson doesn’t have a lot of support here.

  • CAINtheBULL

    BatBoy said:
    It’s always for the kids.

    Maybe they could watch the beheadings that are on the internet too…then explain to them that UBL was a mass murderer and this is how they end their life.

    Sorry but kids grow up to soon these days. You would show kids beheading videos? terrible.

  • Paul G

    Paul G said:
    Johnson doesn’t have a lot of support here.

    me included…go figure

  • Mia Kulper

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    Not only is the President concerned about what releasing the photos may mean for national security, he is also concerned with maintaining a specific image for the U.S. in the eyes of the world.

    NO problem with the Abu Graib photos though.

    No, it seems there was a problem…

    In Reversal, Obama Seeks to Block Abuse Photos
    President Obama says the detainee abuse photos he wants to block from release are “not particularly sensational” but would endanger U.S. troops if publicized.

  • http://www.snowspot.net Snowspot

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    well thanks, you deem it over and it is. lol

    It is over, he’s dead.

  • http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

    More Liberty5 said:
    Obama’s no marxist either, he is a corporatist. I don’t care what he says – it’s about what he does and Obama is just another big government corporatist. I am for Ron Paul, although I know it is a long shot I will not deter from my principles. Many people have and when you do you get trillions of dollars in debt, interventionism, larger government and less liberty.

    Obama is a Marxist…
    we shall save such a discussion for another thread…

  • http://www.snowspot.net Snowspot

    It’s like when Saddam died under the Bush administration(look I didn’t write regime because I’m not a douche), he’s dead and soon we won’t even think about Osama.

  • cjd ohio 1

    Snowspot said:
    It is over, he’s dead.

    yeah, hes dead, and glad president obama got him, but i like the details too, sorry i am not a blind sheep like you

  • http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

    Paul G said:
    Hey skoor…I live in Albuquerque…AND a libertarian. I WAS a republican, until I got banned from Newsbusters (after 5 yrs there) (same screen name) because I used the the “f” word with people on my own side that said I should go to jail and fined for smoking cigarettes…….I know it’s a slippery slope. I’m not a fan of Marijuana…but….I don’t have a problem with someone smoking it in their own house. Same with drinking. Same with gay marriage. Same with prostitution. Slippery slope.

    my main problem with Libertarians is their foreign policy…
    I am a live and let live type of guy for the most part…

  • Mia Kulper

    gordonbloyershow said:
    Let me see, the enemy shows videos while they chop off heads. They put bombs on chilren. They photo our dead troops and put them on the internet.

    You want to be like them?

  • Paul G

    Alice67 said:
    PERHAPS IT’S TIME FOR ME TO START TYPING ALL IN CAPS TOO TO SHOW MY SUPPORT. :) WOOT! WOOT!

    congrats Alice…you’ve managed to keep the same screen for a couple days…

  • Grammie

    More Liberty5 said:
    So it’s insensitive to release a dead photo of OBL, but just find and dandy to release photos of our flagged drapped coffins?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/world/americas/27iht-photos.1.20479953.html

    “In a reversal of an 18-year-old military policy that critics said was hiding the ultimate cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the news media will now be allowed to photograph the flag-draped coffins of America’s war dead as their bodies are returned to the United States, but only if the families of the dead agree.”

    Except the media seems to have lost all interest in photographing them or even mentioning them.

    I just can’t imagine why!

  • BeckFinallyDemoted

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    As I said earlier, BFD, I don’t really care one way or the other. It’s the liberal hypocrisy I mind. This whole situation is turning you libs into human pretzels.

    The Abu Ghraib photos were to expose an injustice imo.
    The Bin Laden photos are justice. No need to expose anything.

    I am proud of my country in both instances and don’t think it’s hypocritical.

    Were there some Abu Ghriab photos exposed long after the fact that was just piling on? Yes. Definitely.
    I was against it. So was Obama….

    “Last week, the president met with his legal team and told them that he did not feel comfortable with the release of the [Defense Department] photos because he believes their release would endanger our troops, and because he believes that the national security implications of such a release have not been fully presented to the court,”

  • http://www.snowspot.net Snowspot

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    yeah, hes dead, and glad president obama got him, but i like the details too, sorry i am not a blind sheep like you

    The other blind sheep take offense to your remarks, they have decided to reduce wool output by 30% as a sanction for your rude actions.

  • Paul G

    skoorbekim said:
    my main problem with Libertarians is their foreign policy…
    I am a live and let live type of guy for the most part…

    yea…. but Ron Paul?

  • http://www.snowspot.net Snowspot

    NOBAMA 2012 said:

    As long as it’s only half a testicle, you technically aren’t gay.

  • More Liberty5

    skoorbekim said:
    my main problem with Libertarians is their foreign policy…
    I am a live and let live type of guy for the most part…

    If you are a “live and let live” type guy then why do you have a problem with a non-interventionist foreign policy?

    We need to stop protecting the world. Why do we have bases in Germany? Can’t they protect themselves? Why do we have bases in Japan and South Korea? Can they not afford to protect themselves? Why are we giving billions to countries like Pakistan? Why are we giving money to African countries?

  • http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

    Paul G said:
    yea…. but Ron Paul?

    Rand excites me more than Ron…

  • Paul G

    Snowspot said:
    As long as it’s only half a testicle, you technically aren’t gay.

    Hmmmm…wetspot musta found his password here

  • Jax_n_Jill
  • http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

    More Liberty5 said:
    If you are a “live and let live” type guy then why do you have a problem with a non-interventionist foreign policy? We need to stop protecting the world. Why do we have bases in Germany? Can’t they protect themselves? Why do we have bases in Japan and South Korea? Can they not afford to protect themselves? Why are we giving billions to countries like Pakistan? Why are we giving money to African countries?

    I have a geopolitics type of mind set when it comes to protecting our nation…
    I was against the Iraq invasion but I also demad that we protect Israel…
    If we cut off the House of Saud, what is stopping China and Russia filling the vacuum?
    I think that, in the long run, foreign intervention pays for itself…

  • Paul G

    More Liberty5 said:
    If you are a “live and let live” type guy then why do you have a problem with a non-interventionist foreign policy?

    We need to stop protecting the world. Why do we have bases in Germany? Can’t they protect themselves? Why do we have bases in Japan and South Korea? Can they not afford to protect themselves? Why are we giving billions to countries like Pakistan? Why are we giving money to African countries?

    Why am I giving $$$$ to idiots like you in this Country? 52%? are living on the dole now? At least you’re getting your $1 an hour from MM. I commend you for that. HA!

  • Grammie

    tatboy said:
    Me…

    Me too!!!!!!!!!!!

    As I said on another thread:

    Grammie said:
    Did you see Judge Nap on the FOIA request? According to him BHO is the ultimate authority on the fate of the photos from which there is no appeal.

    I’m good with that on more than one level. I have a preference but National Security should come first for us all. If this is the biggest disappointment I have for the rest of my life I’ll count myself blessed.

  • More Liberty5

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    The Abu Ghraib photos were to expose an injustice imo.
    The Bin Laden photos are justice. No need to expose anything.

    I am proud of my country in both instances and don’t think it’s hypocritical.

    Were there some Abu Ghriab photos exposed long after the fact that was just piling on? Yes. Definitely.
    I was against it. So was Obama….

    You are just another supporter of a tyrant. In a free society, shouldn’t the government be open and transparent? Obama reversed a 19-year policy making it legal for the press to photograph flagged draped coffins of our KIA coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan. Does that not “inflame” the families of those individuals?

    As tasteless as it might be, and as crude as it might be, releasing photos of the actions carried out by the US government, paid for by the US Taxpayer, should be the consequences of living in a “free” society where the government is accountable to the citizens. Release all the photos/ videos and let the chips fall where they may.

  • Paul G

    skoorbekim said:
    Rand excites me more than Ron…

    Now you’re talking…

  • More Liberty5

    Paul G said:
    Why am I giving $$$$ to idiots like you in this Country? 52%? are living on the dole now? At least you’re getting your $1 an hour from MM. I commend you for that. HA!

    I actually pay federal income taxes so your little joke went no where.

  • http://www.perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/ skoorbekim

    Paul G said:
    Now you’re talking…

    I loved his low-flow toilet lecture…

  • cjd ohio 1

    Snowspot said:
    The other blind sheep take offense to your remarks, they have decided to reduce wool output by 30% as a sanction for your rude actions.

    wow, you cut it by 30%, im hurt

  • More Liberty5

    Paul G said:
    Now you’re talking…

    I like Rand Paul as well, at least more than the other Republicans.

  • Paul G

    skoorbekim said:
    I loved his low-flow toilet lecture…

    Yep…but it was only on HotAir.

  • Paul G

    More Liberty5 said:
    I like Rand Paul as well, at least more than the other Republicans.

    Hmmm….ur not coming over to the ‘dark side’ are you? lol

  • Jax_n_Jill

    http://www.reuters.com/article/slideshow/idUSTRE74370620110504#a=1

    Slide show of bin ladens compound after the SEALS redecorated

  • seek

    Jaurez said:
    Remember how Obama couldn’t release the 2000 or so gitmo “abuse” photos fast enough? Is that “who we are?”

    Damn right toots. We are who we are and the left doesn’t quite know who we are because it changes by the minute, but they’re on board and knew it was the best move all along. Never mind that they didn’t have a clue what the move was and still don’t. In fact, as of this moment, we can all just raise our hands and say “whatevah”.

    We are all in agreement that a very bad dude is done. That’s about the extent of what we know for sure.
    The rest we will know what we know when we know it and the story settles down. Doesn’t stop the libs from throwing bricks, but that’s their only constant in all this, so we let them just wind and unwind. lol

  • libra blue

    “Not only is the President concerned about what releasing the photos may mean for national security, he is also concerned with maintaining a specific image for the U.S. in the eyes of the world. ”

    So Obama believes that a photo would be more detrimental to national security than killing bin Laden? Does he think these radical idiots are going to say we don’t mind that you ambushed and killed our “leader” in the dead of night, just as long as you don’t show us the photos?

    And what “specific image” did the release of the Abu Ghraib photos serve?

    Obama is pandering to radical Muslims.

    If US Muslims are such good citizens why aren’t they voicing their approval over the death of bin Laden? Why isn’t the MSM talking about that?

  • Mia Kulper

    libra blue said:
    And what “specific image” did the release of the Abu Ghraib photos serve?

    Didn’t President Obama try to block those photos after all?

    In Reversal, Obama Seeks to Block Abuse Photos
    President Obama says the detainee abuse photos he wants to block from release are “not particularly sensational” but would endanger U.S. troops if publicized.

  • WCinWI

    Publius219 said:
    What interest is served by releasing the photos? Other than satisfying the morbid curiosity of many (me included), it seems it would have more potential for harm than good.

    1. Closure for the 9/11 families
    2. Closure for 99.99999% conspirators.
    3. A sign of strength against ALL enemies to show that THIS is what will happen to you if you EVER cross the USA.
    4. Transparency period.
    5. I heard someone say that someone used the 1st amendment as a reason for why they would issue the release of it.

    Shall I go on?

  • Mia Kulper

    How ‘buot if they release bin Ladin’s long-form death certificate, hmm?

  • BeckFinallyDemoted

    WCinWI said:
    1. Closure for the 9/11 families

    Are you speaking for them now?
    You know how they feel about this issue?

    Let’s see some data that shows the majority of them want the photos released.

    3. A sign of strength against ALL enemies to show that THIS is what will happen to you if you EVER cross the USA.

    Yes. If putting a bullet through their skull isn’t enough to terrify them then posting their picture on the internet surely will.

    2. Closure for 99.99999% conspirators.

    F*ck them. We don’t need to start catering to the crazies.

    4. Transparency period.

    Hells yeah, lets see the video of the money shot with the bullet going through his brain too!
    Is that what you want. Full transparency?

  • WCinWI

    Paul G said:
    Hey skoor…I live in Albuquerque…AND a libertarian. I WAS a republican, until I got banned from Newsbusters (after 5 yrs there) (same screen name) because I used the the “f” word with people on my own side that said I should go to jail and fined for smoking cigarettes…….I know it’s a slippery slope. I’m not a fan of Marijuana…but….I don’t have a problem with someone smoking it in their own house. Same with drinking. Same with gay marriage. Same with prostitution. Slippery slope.

    Palin has said something similar in relation to marijuana. Like I said, she’s got this libertarian vibe to her that is very appealing to people my age. I don’t know your age (nor will I ask), but the younger generation of Republicans lean Libertarian with a commonsense twist. That’s my take at least. That’s why I like Palin and Rand Paul. I’m not so much a fan of Ron Paul (too isolationist for me – I can respect his stance but not entirely agree with it).

  • WCinWI

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    Are you speaking for them now?
    You know how they feel about this issue?

    Let’s see some data that shows the majority of them want the photos released.

    3. A sign of strength against ALL enemies to show that THIS is what will happen to you if you EVER cross the USA.

    Yes. If putting a bullet through their skull isn’t enough to terrify them then posting their picture on the internet surely will.

    2. Closure for 99.99999% conspirators.

    F*ck them. We don’t need to start catering to the crazies.

    4. Transparency period.

    Hells yeah, lets see the video of the money shot with the bullet going through his brain too!
    Is that what you want. Full transparency?

    Works both ways dude.

    Show me evidence that the majority of 9/11 families don’t want it released.

    The rest of your points were silly – as are generally your posts on any number of topics. Now please stop talking to me. You’re a misogynistic dude and there is no point talking to YOUR style of craziness.

  • BeckFinallyDemoted

    WCinWI said:
    Works both ways dude.

    Show me evidence that the majority of 9/11 families don’t want it released.

    No it doesn’t, asswipe. I didn’t pretend I speak for them, you did.

    So prove it or stfu.

  • WCinWI

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    Seriously though, I don’t need to see no stinkin’ photos.
    Would I be saying the same thing if Bush had not released them. Damn straight.

    How many of you teagaggers can say that? This is all about politics and playing gotcha with you guys and frankly it’s quite unbecoming.

    Double negative in a sentence means the inverse. So you said that you needed to see the photos. See how that works? :)

  • BeckFinallyDemoted

    WCinWI said:
    Now please stop talking to me.

    lol…It cracks me up every time you say that to someone.

    i don’t think you realize how that internet works. If you want people to stop talking to you get the f*ck off a public forum.

  • WCinWI

    Snowspot said:
    It is over, he’s dead.

    Terrorism isn’t over.

  • libra blue

    @Mia Kulper, “Didn’t President Obama try to block those photos after all?”

    He flip-flopped on it after pressure was put on him arguing for the safety of the soldiers.

  • TfT

    AH YES – the standard for releasing information under Obama is a far cry different than the standard for releasing information under W. It is just what the media does – it applies one standard when a dem is in charge and another when a republican is in charge.

    The bias is amazing; the public is not as stupid as the media.

    The trip to Ground Zero tomorrow will be obscene. I’m certain MSNBC will scream bloody murder that Obama is politicizing Ground Zero! NOT! Bwahahahahahaha

    Water baording – bad
    murder – good

    showing photos of abu grhaib when W is pres – fine
    showing photos of aghanistan atrocities by US troops when O is pres – bad

    uh huh — we get it liberal media will help protect the people ONLY when a democrat is in charge.

  • TeaPartyPatriot

    “Obama’s Reasoning For Not Releasing Bin Laden Death Photo: ‘That’s Not Who We Are’”

    Here’s how disgusting and repugnant the lunatic-left d-crat socialists are: THEY ALLOW THEIR STOOGES IN THE SOCIALIST MEDIA TO PHOTOGRAPH EACH AND EVERY COFFIN OF AN AMERICAN SOLDER KILLED OVERSEAS, BUT THEY WON’T RELEASE A SINGLE PHOTO OF AMERICA’S REAL ENEMY.

  • BeckFinallyDemoted

    TeaPartyPatriot said:
    “Obama’s Reasoning For Not Releasing Bin Laden Death Photo: ‘That’s Not Who We Are’”

    Here’s how disgusting and repugnant the lunatic-left d-crat socialists are: THEY ALLOW THEIR STOOGES IN THE SOCIALIST MEDIA TO PHOTOGRAPH EACH AND EVERY COFFIN OF AN AMERICAN SOLDER KILLED OVERSEAS, BUT THEY WON’T RELEASE A SINGLE PHOTO OF AMERICA’S REAL ENEMY.

    Hows your Palin for President campaign coming.

    Making any headway with that? Still think she’s a shoo-in?

  • notsofast

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    2. Closure for 99.99999% conspirators.

    How does this end your bat-shit crazy loser libs who are Truthers, son.

    To them, UBL was an innocent man.

  • Nacho

    If I don’t see pictures of him in hell, I think he might have gone to heaven and he’s nailin’ virgins like crazy.

  • Grammie

    libra blue said:
    @Mia Kulper, “Didn’t President Obama try to block those photos after all?”

    He flip-flopped on it after pressure was put on him arguing for the safety of the soldiers.

    .
    I seem to remember that not only did he face opposition from high Admin figures such as Panetta but that the general public was also very upset with him about it.

  • TheEagle

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    Not only is the President concerned about what releasing the photos may mean for national security, he is also concerned with maintaining a specific image for the U.S. in the eyes of the world.

    NO problem with the Abu Graib photos though.

    Isn’t that the point. The abu graig photos inflammed many in the world against us. Do you really want that to happen again?

  • mlb

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    The admin has been shooting themselves in the foot since Bin Laden was killed. They are totally fumbling the aftermath, trying to come of with the best version of the story.

    Their fumbling because they are all trying to make appear like Obama had something to do with it. It’s hard to fabricate a ‘leader’ out of such a president.
    As for not releasing the photos? Even the terror organization are demanding proof- they want it confirmed their holy leader is dead. We survived the photos of Hussein I think we can survive the release of Usama with half a head.
    Unless the SEALS beat the crap out of him (which I personally have no problem with) and the Libs may be offended and cry ‘torture’.

    I completely understand the rationale that any image would be used as a rally cry to jihadist- but seriously they have a million images of 911 for that. 911 was our battle cry and their victory – a photo of Usama is our victory and we deserve to see it. Let’s not pretend we don’t live in a You Tube world where more graphic depictions of death, beatings, even rape can be found a click away.

    We were told to reign in the violence after Fort Hood and other massacres but where is CAIR and all the Muslims imploring their fellow brethren to hold back the violence? Oh that’s right, Usama wasn’t recognized by peace loving muslim- so again- what’s the problem by releasing the photos?
    Becasue Muslim are sensitive? – I guess they should have thought about that a decade ago.

  • Giant Forehead

    More Liberty5 said:
    If you are a “live and let live” type guy then why do you have a problem with a non-interventionist foreign policy? We need to stop protecting the world. Why do we have bases in Germany? Can’t they protect themselves? Why do we have bases in Japan and South Korea? Can they not afford to protect themselves? Why are we giving billions to countries like Pakistan? Why are we giving money to African countries?

    You don’t have bases in Japan & Germany to protect Japan & Germany you utter nincompoop.

  • mlb

    TheEagle said:
    Liberal Tormentor said:
    Not only is the President concerned about what releasing the photos may mean for national security, he is also concerned with maintaining a specific image for the U.S. in the eyes of the world.
    NO problem with the Abu Graib photos though.

    Isn’t that the point. The abu graig photos inflammed many in the world against us. Do you really want that to happen again?

    No, that isn’t the point- The Abu photos are an unfortunate image of what a few soldiers did WRONG- a photo of a dead Usama is one that they got RIGHT- The whole western world who has supported this war, financially, with troops and lives cost to fight this man deserve to see the evidence. It is not just America’s victory but one for all the nations who lost a loved one on 911 and any other terrorist act perpetrated before and after 911.

  • Paul G

    WCinWI said:
    Palin has said something similar in relation to marijuana. Like I said, she’s got this libertarian vibe to her that is very appealing to people my age. I don’t know your age (nor will I ask), but the younger generation of Republicans lean Libertarian with a commonsense twist. That’s my take at least. That’s why I like Palin and Rand Paul. I’m not so much a fan of Ron Paul (too isolationist for me – I can respect his stance but not entirely agree with it).

    WC..I’m 49…seriously. But I’m old enough to know I didn’t hate blacks. Gays. BUT old enough to have thought Carter was a good President. ……till 1979. So with age comes brains. God I’m glad I’m not 18 again. Seriously

  • ChrisNH

    I think I’ll go to Scotland this summer and catch the Loch Ness Monster. But I won’t take any photos and I’ll throw it back afterward.

    People will just have to elect me president, then.

  • TheEagle

    mlb said:
    No, that isn’t the point- The Abu photos are an unfortunate image of what a few soldiers did WRONG- a photo of a dead Usama is one that they got RIGHT- The whole western world who has supported this war, financially, with troops and lives cost to fight this man deserve to see the evidence. It is not just America’s victory but one for all the nations who lost a loved one on 911 and any other terrorist act perpetrated before and after 911.

    But if releasing the photo makes bin laden a martyr to some and they use it to inflame other who will commit acts of terrorism against more innocents; isn’t that just counterproductive?

  • http://www.snowspot.net Snowspot

    mlb said:
    Their fumbling because they are all trying to make appear like Obama had something to do with it. It’s hard to fabricate a ‘leader’ out of such a president.

    Do you realize how bizarre this sounds? Obama’s been in office for over 2 years, you can blame him for the economy but you say he has nothing to do with military operations? Which is it? Isn’t he the one that “ordered an illegal attack on Libya”.

    I’m sorry but it’s hard to take seriously people who continue to flip-flop like that. At least be consisnent. If you’re saying he messed up in Libya, when he goes and does something good, like the Osama mission, you commend him, not make up, yet another bullshit reason that you think Obama is unworthy of being your president. It’s getting really tiresome…

  • Barack Must Go

    This reminds me of that other degenerate democrat president, you know the one that was the ” real ” one to allowed bin Laden to live, then kill 3,000 on 911. Anyway I’m refering to his infamous ” that depends on what the meaning of the word ‘ IS ‘ is “.

    If this sleezball Carney is referring to the ‘ Royal We ‘, Obama with a statement like ‘That’s Not Who We Are’, it’s total unadulterated bullshit.

    If he is in fact referencing us ” real ” Americans and America as the greatest country on earth, than he is speaking the truth…..for once in his short White House spokesman career.

    Knowing what a loser this president is, I’m going with ‘ he’s talking about the first one ‘

  • ChrisNH

    Why did Obamo trade one Opie Taylor press secretary for a worse one?

    What a wee-todd this Carney-barker is. Takes after his limp-wristed boss.

  • http://www.snowspot.net Snowspot

    TeaPartyPatriot said:
    “Obama’s Reasoning For Not Releasing Bin Laden Death Photo: ‘That’s Not Who We Are’”

    Here’s how disgusting and repugnant the lunatic-left d-crat socialists are: THEY ALLOW THEIR STOOGES IN THE SOCIALIST MEDIA TO PHOTOGRAPH EACH AND EVERY COFFIN OF AN AMERICAN SOLDER KILLED OVERSEAS, BUT THEY WON’T RELEASE A SINGLE PHOTO OF AMERICA’S REAL ENEMY.

    wait, it’s disgusting and repugnant NOT to show gory photos of someone being killed?

    You have a really warped way of viewing life.

  • http://www.snowspot.net Snowspot

    NOBAMA 2012 said:
    “That’s not who we are. We don’t trot out this stuff as trophies.”

    Barack Obama to release up to 2,000 photographs of prisoner abuse
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5215068/Barack-Obama-to-release-up-to-2000-photographs-of-prisoner-abuse.html

    U.S. lifts photo ban on military coffins
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/world/americas/27iht-photos.1.20479953.html

    Carney, we KNOW “who you are” and WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE…
    YOU LIBERAL LEWZERS ARE 24KT HYPOCRITES!

    NOBAMA 2012

    I’d rather abuse be uncovered. We all know Osama died, I don’t really need to see a pic and I doubt a pic would ease tensions with the middle east. Use your brain for once.

  • OxyCon

    That White House Carney Barker is so full of sh*t his own family doesn’t believe a word he says, lol!
    He’s finished as a credible journalist so he better start working on his White House insider book now!

  • Alz

    But the jerk had no problems releasing thousands of photos of Abu Gharib! See, in THAT case, they WANTED to inflame people.

    But (Muslim) Barry thought that we should pay extra special attention to Bin laden’s body and “ease it into the sea” after a Muslim funeral.

    How disgusting.

  • Alz

    Snowspot said:
    I’d rather abuse be uncovered. We all know Osama died, I don’t really need to see a pic and I doubt a pic would ease tensions with the middle east. Use your brain for once.

    If Bush was President, the Left would be going nuts over the picture issue. You guys would be saying that Bin laden is now working at Haliburton or something stupid.

    Liberals have ZERO cred.

  • mlb

    Snowspot said:
    Do you realize how bizarre this sounds? Obama’s been in office for over 2 years, you can blame him for the economy but you say he has nothing to do with military operations? Which is it? Isn’t he the one that “ordered an illegal attack on Libya”.

    I’m sorry but it’s hard to take seriously people who continue to flip-flop like that. At least be consisnent. If you’re saying he messed up in Libya, when he goes and does something good, like the Osama mission, you commend him, not make up, yet another bullshit reason that you think Obama is unworthy of being your president. It’s getting really tiresome…

    I never said I blamed Obama for the economy, however now that you bring it up … and I have no idea who you are quoting when you say “illegal attack in Libya” ??? I didn’t say he messed up in Libya -we shouldn’t even be involved. I have not condemned him for the Osama mission, quite the opposite. I am just unwilling to give him the credit for more than he did. I am astounded that so many think he has the military acumen to have pulled this off, by all liberal accounts – by Himself- he had a team and made a decision based on intel and military expertise – experience that he in no way has first hand knowledge of. The operation was under the authority of the CIA (Obama’s words). By all accounts I am praising him as much as every other liberal- he gave the green light – and the military got the job done.

    If you want to talk inconsistency, then how about all the those willing to blame Bush for the past 10 years (the last two included) for our economic woes, bash him for national security measures, call our SEAL team assassins, call our CIA terrorists, disregard the amount of intel, even the fact that one tip came from a capture in Iraq and yet can’t seem to give any credit to Bush for the laying the groundwork that made this mission possible.

  • mlb

    TheEagle said:
    mlb said:
    No, that isn’t the point- The Abu photos are an unfortunate image of what a few soldiers did WRONG- a photo of a dead Usama is one that they got RIGHT- The whole western world who has supported this war, financially, with troops and lives cost to fight this man deserve to see the evidence. It is not just America’s victory but one for all the nations who lost a loved one on 911 and any other terrorist act perpetrated before and after 911.

    But if releasing the photo makes bin laden a martyr to some and they use it to inflame other who will commit acts of terrorism against more innocents; isn’t that just counterproductive?

    I understand the point, as I mentioned in an earlier comment, however I don’t see it as necessarily valid. This is violent religion who declared war on us – they literally create a martyr-a-day throughout the world. The do not need an excuse to be inflamed it’s a way of life. Many nations across the world have supported this war along side America, killing Usama wasn’t just an act of American retaliation, it was vindication for our sacrifice and theirs. Releasing a picture will not change anything in the long run with these terrorist. Not to mention put to bed the conspiracy theories floating around.

    My hope is the information found in the compound will begin to unravel terrorist cells worldwide and crumble Al-queda.

  • ChrisNH

    Jay Carney is a limp wrist. Everyone thinks he’s just awful. He makes Obamo look foolish. Carney can’t string a sentence together and the press corps think he’s impotent.

    Gibbsy boy was a limp-wrist, too, but now we’ve got clear and compelling evidence that the whole Obamo Regime is inept.

  • Mia Kulper

    …and limp-wristed too, eh?

  • CAconservative

    Translation: That’s not what this administration is about…yet. The time to release it will come when Obimbo is staring defeat in his reelection, and then all of a sudden….it will become what Obimbo’s administration is all about when they put their appropriate “spin” on it!

  • njoy-d-ride

    BeckFinallyDemoted said:
    I write all my own jokes. :)

    I’m sorry, but it shows.

  • Snidely

    What a crock. Lots of Americans would have applauded if OBL’s head had bee displayed on a pike in front of the White House.

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