No Paul! no one wants your stupid voucher. That is a fact not a distortion. I want you to tell me what health insurance would accept that from a 65yrs old? and for you to do this, someone that benefited from Social security, is a disgrace.

When is this Clown going to pull his head out and realize the vast majority of Americans aren’t down with his Ayn Rand ideology of the Virtue of Selfishness……..

In the end , the demagoguery of the left cannot stand up to Ryan .

The smarminess , the smarmiosity and smarmery of the Schumers , Wasserman-Schultzes , the Weiners and the Stephenson-BFD s of the Democrat underworld shall not stand , Sir !

It’s what they do Paul, You know that. And the corrupt, liberal media is their willing accomplice. Disgraceful.

And grafxmail, you’re ignorant and wrong. You liberals loons only make up 20% of America, thank goodness! If you were right, why have Republican’s won 7 out of the last 11 Presidential elections?

In much the same way Ryan and company distorted and demagogued the health care bill. Both have problems.

Ryan’s Medicare vouchers are no different from the insurance exchanges in Obama’s health care law.

The real problem is that both sides are lying about everything to suit themselves. All they care about is the next election. We the people don’t matter one iota to them.

I want to hear Ryan explain how a trillion dollar tax cut balances the budget.

Social Security will run a permanent yearly deficit when looking at the program’s tax revenues compared to what it must pay out in benefits, the program’s trustees said Friday in a report that found both the outlook for Social Security and Medicare, the two major federal social safety-net programs, have worsened over the last year.

Medicare’s hospital insurance trust fund is now slated to run out of money in 2024, or five years earlier than last year’s projection, while Social Security’s trust fund will be exhausted by 2036, a year earlier than the prior projection.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/13/social-security-deficits-now-permanent-feature/

The irresponsibility and outright lies by Obama and his henchmen is mind-boggling. That alone is reason enough to throw them out of office.

He wants to change Medicare into MediCoupon and while doing that double down on the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Not exactly a whole lot of distortion going on there

How dare the Dems distort Ryan’s plan by quoting verbatim from it!

The death of the GOP. Brought to you by Paul Ryan, Pfizer, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield. With special consideration from Exxon.

dude, IT IS a voucher program!

now, the republicans are trying to run from the truth.

won’t effect anyone over 55? uh…..sure, yeah?

so he admits then, that is indeed a voucher program for those under 55.

and btw, keeva, the affordable care act is not medicare.

medicare is a GUARANTEED healthcare system for seniors.

affordable care act is not that.

Azarkhan said:
The irresponsibility and outright lies by Obama and his henchmen is mind-boggling. That alone is reason enough to throw them out of office.

This applies to both sides and you know it. The Republicans have lied and lied about everything since Obama took office. He is no better, but this is both sides saying literally anything to sin the next election. Paul Ryan would bankrupt America if it assured him re-election as would Obama.

Based on the lies, not one elected official gets to stay. Not one. On either side.

a repub strategist on matthews’ show said that if we don’t go with ryan’s plan, than we won’t
save the dept of defense

“why have Republican’s won 7 out of the last 11 Presidential elections?”

Ignorant sheeple. (and of course the debatable stolen elections or 2000 and 2004 which would make it only 5 of 11)

Reagan/Bush = recession
Clinton had to clean up the mess left by the previous R administrations and built a surplus
Bush = disatrous recession close to depression in addition to dramatic loss of world wide prestige
Obama = once again the D has to clean up the mess left by the previous R adminsitration.

darladoon said:
medicare is a GUARANTEED healthcare system for seniors.

Medicare was originally intended to only be for those that could not afford their own insurance. How about we put it back to that? How many over 65 people are still employed and taking Medicare when their employers could pay for their insurance? How many “wealthy” people use Medicare when they could pay? How much would simple means testing save?

darladoon said:
affordable care act is not that.

Actually as structured now, the Affordable Health Care Act does guarantee insurance via the mandate and vouchers/credits for those that cannot afford it.

Clinton did nothing to “clean up” the previous administration. The recession was over and economy was on the rebound when he took the oath of office. As for government spending, it was not controlled until the Republicans took over in Congress and started to slow the growth of government. There was not one budget that Clinton did not increase under threat of veto. He never sent back a bill and said, “Sorry, boys. But this costs too much. Please cut down the cost!” There were times when he said the opposite.

And if Obama’s task was to clean up George Bush’s “mess” (which is indeed the promise he ran on), he has done a hell of a bad job of it. There is no economic measure after 2.5 years of Obama’s bad policy that is not much worse than when Bush was in office. Obama turned a serious recession into a disaster. Obama is why millions are still out of work. Obama is an incompetent who makes Jimmy Carter look good.

Let’s compare Ryan’s plan with the Dem Do-Nothing plan…
which one saves Medicare?

For those of you who have not already made your minds to hate all things proposed by Republicans, here is a good video where Ryan explains in quite simple terms why his plan to fix Medicare is a good idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJIC7kEq6kw

It’s very simple. Government “fee for service” is the problem.

If you are interested in the truth and not liberal lies:

http://paulryan.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=242931

Keeva said:
Medicare was originally intended to only be for those that could not afford their own insurance. How about we put it back to that? How many over 65 people are still employed and taking Medicare when their employers could pay for their insurance? How many “wealthy” people use Medicare when they could pay? How much would simple means testing save?

Actually as structured now, the Affordable Health Care Act does guarantee insurance via the mandate and vouchers/credits for those that cannot afford it.

ok, i understand the voucher system, but medicare is GUARANTEED for seniors. we must guarantee our seniors healthcare for 2 reasons:

1. it’s the moral, ethical and responsible thing to do

2. it saves money

now, as for your 1st assertion: i think we should have medicare for all.

but taxpayers have been paying into medicare their entire lives. so they deserve it.

ps, you libs are scared to death of this guy, and for good reason.

Death Panels work…. no matter which side uses them. Be proud Dems.

skoorbekim said:
Let’s compare Ryan’s plan with the Dem Do-Nothing plan…
which one saves Medicare?

actually, the democratic plan would be to raise taxes and cut defense spending.

are you opposed to either/both of those?

Keeva said:
This applies to both sides and you know it.

Really? So where is the Democrats budget proposal that deals with the debt, deficit spending and Medicare? Please don’t mention Obama’s so-called “budget”. Even Democrats thought that was ridiculous.

Liberal Tormentor said:
ps, you libs are scared to death of this guy, and for good reason.

actually, based on yesterday’s NY election, the republicans are scared.

and based on scott brown’s reversal, too.

darladoon said:
actually, the democratic plan would be to raise taxes and cut defense spending.
are you opposed to either/both of those?

show me the plan…

Azarkhan said:
Really? So where is the Democrats budget proposal that deals with the debt, deficit spending and Medicare? Please don’t mention Obama’s so-called “budget”. Even Democrats thought that was ridiculous.

the republicans have the votes, so it’s not as if any democratic budget plan is going to matter.

but since you asked, they do have a plan, and it involves tax increases.

darladoon said:
actually, based on yesterday’s NY election, the republicans are scared.
and based on scott brown’s reversal, too.

that must be why more and more GOPers want Ryan to run in 2012 for either POTUS or Senate…

Why do you hate your parents or grandparents? If you support these morons, you are sending your senior folks to poverty, this is certainly a shameful act.

darladoon said:
but since you asked, they do have a plan, and it involves tax increases.

show us the plan…

Seriously, people. You need to stop thinking of this issue in partisan terms. I am grateful to anybody who has a legitimate solution to the problems of runaway costs. We have tried the gov’t “fee for service” model and it does not work effectively or cheaply. I am ready to give market incentives a chance.

Those who mindlessly denigrate Paul Ryan simply because he is a Republican, you do not convince anyone with your mindless partisan badgering. You are not serious about fixing problems.

Keeva said:
Medicare was originally intended to only be for those that could not afford their own insurance. How about we put it back to that? How many over 65 people are still employed and taking Medicare when their employers could pay for their insurance? How many “wealthy” people use Medicare when they could pay? How much would simple means testing save?

Means testing is part of Ryan’s proposal. I take it the MSM isn’t reporting that….

skoorbekim said:
show me the plan…

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.html

skyfet said:
Why do you hate your parents or grandparents?

non sequitur liberal jibberish… you sound like a 5yr old…

skoorbekim said:
that must be why more and more GOPers want Ryan to run in 2012 for either POTUS or Senate…

by all means, bring it on

the vast majority of americans want these two things:

1, medicare and SS preserved

2. tax increases on the wealthy

ryan won’t accept either

darladoon said:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.html

that was for 2011… and it gave us a $1.6 Trillion deficit…
BTW, did the Senate vote on that budget?

Sky, why do a majority of seniors SUPPORT Ryan’s plan. Moron! You libs are not physically able to tell the truth. It’s just not in your DNA.

Gallup: Seniors Most Favorable To Ryan Budget

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/04/gallup-seniors.php

I looks like the operatives of the Obama/Democrat defense mechanism have organized to push the talking points here and jumped in ahead of the rest of the commenters. It certainly makes it look like Ryan is exactly right about the demegoguery. He should thank you for proving his point. Sheeple indeed. That’s pretty shameless.

Michael Adam said:
The death of the GOP. Brought to you by Paul Ryan, Pfizer, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield. With special consideration from Exxon.

Ignorant statements like this onlt prove how ill informed liberals are.

Pfizer lobbied for, spent money on, and supported Obamacare:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704041504575045702997683276.html

Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America alone spent $26.1 million lobbying for Obamacare in 2009, making it the single most expensive lobbying effort in history.

Big Pharma lobbied for Obamacare creating windfall profits:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704782304574541841256040358.html

darladoon said:
by all means, bring it on
the vast majority of americans want these two things:
1, medicare and SS preserved
2. tax increases on the wealthy
ryan won’t accept either

show us the Dem plan…
on that can be scored and voted on in the Senate…
Senate has not voted on a budget in 738 days…

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skyfet said:
Why do you hate your parents or grandparents? If you support these morons, you are sending your senior folks to poverty, this is certainly a shameful act.

This is nothing more than scaremongering. a) they’re not morons, b) Ryan has repeatedly stated that the plan would not change for anyone born before 1956 — so by definition it would not affect our parents or grandparents. Are you too stupid to recognize that or maybe your intent is to purposely spread misinformation.

turk281 said:
Pfizer lobbied for, spent money on, and supported Obamacare:

furthermore,
the only ones who voted to cut Medicare are the ones who voted for Obamacare’s $500B cuts in Medicare…

Liberal Tormentor said:
If you are interested in the truth and not liberal lies:

http://paulryan.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=242931

I’m sure PaulRyan.gov will give us a a non partisan, truthful look at things on the Paul Ryan proposal. This is the type of dogma that gets people believing the world was going to end on the 21st, unfortunately there’s way more stupid people falling for Paul Ryan’s BS.

RhapsodyinBlue said:
This is the type of dogma that gets people believing the world was going to end on the 21st

like Global Warmers…

Judge Mental said:
Means testing is part of Ryan’s proposal. I take it the MSM isn’t reporting that….
darladoon darladoon says:
May 25, 2011 at 12:13 pm (Quote)

Didn’t know that. Thanks for the info.

Rhapsod, Feel free to point out any lies you find there. Otherwise, shut your yap!

darladoon said:
by all means, bring it on

the vast majority of americans want these two things:

1, medicare and SS preserved

2. tax increases on the wealthy

ryan won’t accept either

1. Ryan specifically avoided SS.
2. Ryan’s plan secures Medicare by saving it from funding cuts such as those in Obamacare that cut Medicare by half a billion in order to fund Obamacare.
3. If you seized all the income of the rich — 100% — it would not eliminate the deficit. There is no solution other than to control costs. Please stop demagoguing the issues. Sadly, someone might believe your non-factual statements.

darladoon says:
actually, based on yesterday’s NY election, the republicans are scared.

You mean the election where the Dem’s ran a fake TP’er. That’s the only reason the Dem’s won. Dirty tricks are their specialty!

I’m starting to think the West/Ryan ticket is a winner! The debates alone would be EPIC!

skoorbekim said:
like Global Warmers…

I think it’s ironic the states (Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas) most likely to have dumb asses who don’t believe in global climate change right now are repeatedly being slammed over and over by unprecedented tornadoes. It sure is strange we’re having so many of these “once in a life time” weather events seemingly every year, isn’t it? It means nothing, surely a coincidence. Now let me flip on some Rush Limbaugh while he preaches about family values between popping some Vicodins and purcahses a ticket for the Dominican Republic.

Moron

Liberal Tormentor said:
darladoon says:
actually, based on yesterday’s NY election, the republicans are scared.

You mean the election where the Dem’s ran a fake TP’er. That’s the only reason the Dem’s won. Dirty tricks are their specialty!

Keep deceiving yourself, Michelle-in-Utah. To what end, I am not sure. The American people saw through Ryan’s Push-Grannie-Off-The-Cliff scheme. That’s all there was to the election. And your whining, and Ryan’s whining aren’t going to change that. All the Mary’s in Heaven, the man is a shameless pantywaist.

Liberal Tormentor said:
I’m starting to think the West/Ryan ticket is a winner! The debates alone would be EPIC!

Sure.

Last night proves that.

Not!

skoorbekim said:
non sequitur liberal jibberish… you sound like a 5yr old…

Liberal Tormentor said:
Sky, why do a majority of seniors SUPPORT Ryan’s plan. Moron! You libs are not physically able to tell the truth. It’s just not in your DNA.

Gallup: Seniors Most Favorable To Ryan Budget

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/04/gallup-seniors.php

Robert White said:
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This is nothing more than scaremongering. a) they’re not morons, b) Ryan has repeatedly stated that the plan would not change for anyone born before 1956 — so by definition it would not affect our parents or grandparents. Are you too stupid to recognize that or maybe your intent is to purposely spread misinformation.

This is demagoguery at the highest order. So you jokers would like to create an environment of resentment amongst the people. A situation where some will have a program they pay for all their life and others wouldn’t. Why should a 54 years old less deserving of the program than a 55yrs old? You ought to use you brains and think it through before you buy into the bs. You guys are so messed up that you’d vote/support something that is against your own self interest.

Azarkhan said:
Really? So where is the Democrats budget proposal that deals with the debt, deficit spending and Medicare? Please don’t mention Obama’s so-called “budget”. Even Democrats thought that was ridiculous.

No more goofy than Ryan’s plan which cuts taxes and never once balances. Both budget proposals are unworkable as presented. Thus the need for honest negotiations, which is the one thing that neither side is willing to do.

Obama’s budget panders to the left with tax hikes and massive social spending while Ryan’s panders to the right with tax cuts that are totally unpaid for. Neither budget comes close to balancing over their multi-year horizons and both are flat out false in their pretense of fiscal responsibility.

Without any form of negotiation and compromise, we are doomed to constantly repeat the same errors. And BOTH SIDES are equally guilty of being intractable, stubborn, dishonest and totally selfish. They have nothing but disdain for the people and are only interested in getting re-elected and slamming the other side.

It is this hyper-partisan food fight that dooms us and prevents any real progress.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Dirty tricks are their specialty

They seem to be ignoring the fact their dirty tricks did not work in Paul Ryan’s neighborhood. With all the months of union manpower and money, Prosser won.

RhapsodyinBlue said:
I think it’s ironic the states (Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas) most likely to have dumb asses who don’t believe in global climate change

give me one fact that supports MMGW…

Rio, interesting how the corrupt, liberal media has totally ignored the Prosser won.

skyfet said:
You guys are so messed up that you’d vote/support something that is against your own self interest.

so you think Medicare will be here, as is, 10 years from now?

darladoon said:
the republicans have the votes

In the Senate? The Democratic-led Senate hasn’t proposed a budget in over two years.

skyfet said:
No Paul! no one wants your stupid voucher. That is a fact not a distortion. I want you to tell me what health insurance would accept that from a 65yrs old? and for you to do this, someone that benefited from Social security, is a disgrace.

Fact: Swoosh completely missed the point. Medicare changes would be for the 50 year olds and below and it would involve phases. 65 year old people keep what they have. Do a little research next time not just responding to a democrat sponsored commercial.

RhapsodyinBlue said:
He wants to change Medicare into MediCoupon and while doing that double down on the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Not exactly a whole lot of distortion going on there

Fact: Taxing above 30% on anyone is not a tax cut. Why not tell a democrat to quit spending. No more handouts get a job.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Rio, interesting how the corrupt, liberal media has totally ignored the Prosser won.

actually, the reported that she WON for two days after the election… then went silent…

RhapsodyinBlue said:
I think it’s ironic the states (Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas) most likely to have dumb asses who don’t believe in global climate change

I thought it was called Global Warming. And the tornados are caused by COLDER ocean water, not WARMER ocean water. You libs change your story like you should change your underwear. Poll after poll show you are losing the global warming war BIGTIME!!!

darladoon said:
the republicans have the votes

Oh btw, last year’s Democratic-controlled House never produced a budget.

I have a tickle in my throat! I demand that someone provide me with doctor, NOW!!!

Azarkhan,
To be fair, Reid specifically says it’s not in their best interest to produce a budget. That’s how they roll! They couldn’t care less about the country.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Azarkhan,
To be fair, Reid specifically says it’s not in their best interest to produce a budget. That’s how they roll! They couldn’t care less about the country.

They learn from the best, the GOP.

Its a compliment.

skyfet said:
This is demagoguery at the highest order. So you jokers would like to create an environment of resentment amongst the people. A situation where some will have a program they pay for all their life and others wouldn’t. Why should a 54 years old less deserving of the program than a 55yrs old? You ought to use you brains and think it through before you buy into the bs. You guys are so messed up that you’d vote/support something that is against your own self interest.

I would prefer that people, over the course of their lifetime, accumulate assets to take care of their selves and their families, rather than relying on a gov’t that promises to take care of them, but lacks the assets to do it. The US gov’t is currently $14 trillion in debt. It cannot pay what it promises to pay — it lacks the revenue stream to do it.

If you wish to put your faith in those who have proven they cannot handle money, go for it. I intend to provide for myself by hard work and prudent investing. I intend to be a source of support for my friends and family, not a weight that drags them down as I whine about not getting “what I deserve”. I support self-reliance and property rights — not socialism.

darladoon said:
taxpayers have been paying into medicare their entire lives. so they deserve it.

Wrong. Medicare was only instituted in the 1960s, and withholding (from employee paychecks) for Medicare was instituted sometime thereafter. (I’m having difficulty locating the date, but I know it was sometime during the last 35 years.)

Please stop talking about Global Warming. It’s off-topic.

My, my, my. My Rightist Reactionary Republican friends are certainly shrill and defensive today. Not surprisingly. The election ended up being decidedly early and decisively. And the losers are Ryan and any Republican supporting the Ryan Plan. Decisively. What I don’t understand is why you are blaming only the LSM and the DNC. Shouldn’t you also be blaming ACORN, the NBPP, all African-Americans, all Hispanics, President Obama, Michelle Obama, the Obama Daughters, European Socialism and all your other scapegoats. It’s really not like you to be casting off your own accountability to such a small target group as the LSM and the DNC.

As for me and as for mine, we are still laughing like Santa Claus before a plate of cookies.

Liberal Tormentor said:
RhapsodyinBlue said:
I think it’s ironic the states (Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas) most likely to have dumb asses who don’t believe in global climate change

I thought it was called Global Warming. And the tornados are caused by COLDER ocean water, not WARMER ocean water. You libs change your story like you should change your underwear. Poll after poll show you are losing the global warming war BIGTIME!!!

As a Texan, I fully acknowledge that some the biggest dumb asses in America live here, led by Governor Dumb Ass.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Rhapsod, Feel free to point out any lies you find there. Otherwise, shut your yap!

He attributes the rise in medical care because of government bureaucracy for one. That’s funny, in other countries where the free market doesn’t set the costs for medical services it seems to work out pretty well for them cost wise. As in, the UK pays 1/3 of what we do and Canada pays 1/2. This has nothing to do with the actual level of care but PURELY the costs. You morons who preach free market for hospital services seriously need to be institutionalized or at the very least a 4th graders level of knowledge on what free market means.

When you’re in Manhattan and you want a can of Coke it will cost $2.50, whereas in all other places on the globe it will cost 50/75 cents, now why is that? If the first thing that came to mind was government, please put down your pencil and paper and slam your face into the desk until you forget that word temporarily. Apply your new found conclusion conclusion to the medical industry, if someone needs something and really has no options other than do it or die how exactly does that apply in the supply and demand principles of the pure free market solution? Have you been following at all? No? Eye been wandering off to a Ron Paul site to make you feel better with some bullshit for you can snack on? This is why medical costs are skyrocketing and subsequently why Medicare is going bankrupt and why reimbursements for medical doctors are becoming less and less. Offering a plan that offers a coupon instead of medical care and at the same offering 3 trillion dollars worth of tax cuts over a course of 10 years to the richest 2% of the country WHILE saying it’s all in the name of “fiscal responsibility” is simply criminal activity and heartless.

I would like to thank Paul Ryan for the upcoming slaughter the Republicans will receive in 2012 thanks to his cowardly plan and to thank America for not being dumb enough to buy into it.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Rio, interesting how the corrupt, liberal media has totally ignored the Prosser won.

Horse Hockey! It’s been in all of the newspapers and Maddow and Schultz talked about last night.

skoorbekim said:
give me one fact that supports MMGW…

oy vey

RhapsodyinBlue said:
oy vey

let me help…
ice caps melting?
ice caps are melting at the same rate on Mars also…
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

Anyone remember the 2009 GOP Summer of Hate town halls?
The hateful and racist signs, spitting on sitting members of Congress, the death threats?

I remember, won’t forget anytime soon.

Robert White said:
Please stop talking about Global Warming. It’s off-topic.

sorry,
it is how I opened my eyes to Liberalism way back when… it was a catharsis for me…

posterchild said:
spitting on sitting members of Congress,

never happened…

skoorbekim said:
so you think Medicare will be here, as is, 10 years from now?

They said similar stuff 40 years ago. I’ve seen an ad with RR in it, stating how bad it was. The truth of the matter is that the GOP have always hated Medicare, so this new assault is not new, same bs.

skyfet said:
They said similar stuff 40 years ago. I’ve seen an ad with RR in it, stating how bad it was. The truth of the matter is that the GOP have always hated Medicare, so this new assault is not new, same bs.

so your answer is yes?
if so I respect your opinion and will not badger you further…

posterchild says:
Anyone remember the 2009 GOP Summer of Hate town halls?
The hateful and racist signs, spitting on sitting members of Congress, the death threats?

Honey, that spitting has been debunked 1000 times. You need to stop using that lie.

Liberal Tormentor said:
posterchild says:
Anyone remember the 2009 GOP Summer of Hate town halls?
The hateful and racist signs, spitting on sitting members of Congress, the death threats?

Honey, that spitting has been debunked 1000 times. You need to stop using that lie.

skoorbekim said:
never happened…

Funny how you two are quick to say the spitting never happened, yet you don’t deny the death threats and the racist signs…I guess those were okay, it’s just politics, right?

Liberal Tormentor said:
posterchild says:Anyone remember the 2009 GOP Summer of Hate town halls?The hateful and racist signs, spitting on sitting members of Congress, the death threats? Honey, that spitting has been debunked 1000 times. You need to stop using that lie.

I think Madison might be a bit fresher in voter memories. That clown show kind of reminded the voters of the SEIU thugs that badgered and beat on the tea party people.

ProudCanadian said:
Funny how you two are quick to say the spitting never happened, yet you don’t deny the death threats and the racist signs…I guess those were okay, it’s just politics, right?

How many death threats did Gov Walker receive?
Are you speaking of the LaRouche signs… or are you just playing the Liberal Racer game? Opposition as “racist” is played out… unless you’re an Obamabagger that is desperate for debate counter-points…
How are those “super-hospitals” in Canada? Here in the US we call them “hospitals”…

skoorbekim said:
Let’s compare Ryan’s plan with the Dem Do-Nothing plan…which one saves Medicare?

Ok, Let’s see now. Medicare is disintegrating on it’s own and that demise will be accelerated with Obamacare.
So…Do nothing and Medicare dies quickly, leaving no benefits for anyone.
Ryan’s plan is a tough fix but no better plan has been advanced by any politicians.
I’ll go with the Ryan plan.
In other words skoorbekem, you’ve stated it in a nutshell.

Ryan, in denial about the donut hole. His plan will cost those 55 and older, he simply is incapable of telling the truth about it.

jim bronson 990cc said:
Ryan, in denial about the donut hole. His plan will cost those 55 and older, he simply is incapable of telling the truth about it.

so medicare is fine?

skoorbekim said:
How many death threats did Gov Walker receive?
Are you speaking of the LaRouche signs… or are you just playing the Liberal Racer game? Opposition as “racist” is played out… unless you’re an Obamabagger that is desperate for debate counter-points…
How are those “super-hospitals” in Canada? Here in the US we call them “hospitals”…

Hey, at least we take care of our sick here…our Medicare system isn’t perfect, for sure, but at least if my grandparents get sick, I know they’ll get medical help, paid for by the government, so they won’t go bankrupt. And Canada isn’t in danger of defaulting on our debt, since we’re financially responsible. So we can afford to help out our neighbors, instead of foreclosing on them, and tossing them into the street. Ryan’s plan will ultimately fail, because I imagine people who are under 55 now, and have been paying for their entitlements out of their paychecks, will be pretty pissed when they can’t afford cancer treatments, and their government tells them to go play in traffic.

ProudCanadian,
Funny how you two are quick to say the spitting never happened, yet you don’t deny the death threats and the racist signs…I guess those were okay, it’s just politics, right?

I’m sure there was a nut here or there, but we’ve provided proof time and time again that most hate and violent rhetoric, comes from the left. Nice try though!

The desperate, anti-democratic, despicable election tactics of the d-cRAT socialists go beyond putting up phony tea party candidates – as they did in NY-26 – to help elect themselves. In Arizona’s 8th CD, the socialists helped fund a libertarian candidate to draw votes away from Tea Party-backed Republican Jesse Kelly. Pelsoi puppet, goofy gabby giffords, who was the incumbent, also sent out a brochure calling the libertarian candidate the ONLY true conservative running and not her REAL opponent. This, along with massive voter fraud by ILLEGALS, helped goofy gabby squeak-by with a win with fewer votes than the libertarian spoiler got and less than the estimates of ILLEGALS voter fraud (which amounted to several thousand “votes”).

Never underestimate how low the d-cRAT socialists will sink to stay in power.

There was never a distortion of Ryan’s Plan. The only distortion comes from the Republicans who are greedy corporate confidence men looking out for themselves and destroying the middle class and under privileged of America. Republicans, many of who are middle class or lower, are voting against their own interests if they vote for their Party’s rhetoric, which is appalling and will lead to the total collapse of the U.S.

These wealthy corporations and individuals just want to scoop up all the money they can and move to a tax haven where they can invest in foreign markets. The Republicans are the lowest of the low. May they all rot in Hell.

posterchild said:
Anyone remember the 2009 GOP Summer of Hate town halls?
The hateful and racist signs, spitting on sitting members of Congress, the death threats?

Nope, can’t say I do. But I remember the hatred and vitriol of the Democrats and union thugs in Madison, Wisconsin. That I remember as if it happened last month.

ProudCanadian said:
Hey, at least we take care of our sick here…

we do not in the US?!
which country has better cancer survival rates?
which country has shorter wait times for surgery?

Hey Ryan,

Two words: Death Panels….

murphy0071 said:
who are greedy corporate

do you know what a corporation is…
501(c)(5)’s are for Unions…

Richard Lombardo said:
Hey Ryan,
Two words: Death Panels….

you support Medicare as is?

LOL

Ryan CAN’T STAND people telling the truth of his plan. Under 55? KISS MEDICARE GOODBYE

HAHAHAHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAA

Special election last night is a WAKE UP CALL to those idiots

The way they made Ryan out to be some kind of genius: and THEN the plan was released hahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahhajajajajaja

SO AWESOME

VOTE ON THE PLAN SENATE GOP

I DARE YA!!

Bill Huggins said:
The way they made Ryan out to be some kind of genius: and THEN the plan was released

do you support medicare as is?

skoorbekim said:
never happened…

Did too!
Pull your head out of the tea-pot!

Prove it! If you can, Andrew Breitbart has $100,000 for you. It’s a lie pushed by you libs. You’re good at that.

the paul ryan death panel against america isn’t going to work.

posterchild said:
Did too!Pull your head out of the tea-pot!

you could be one rich Obamabagger if you could prove it…

skoorbekim said:
do you support medicare as is?

I dont support UNDER 55′S NOT GETTING IT

Just playback the special election press conference last night with the crowd shouting MEDICARE! MEDICARE! MEDICARE! and you’ll see that this is a VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT

Bill Huggins said:
I dont support UNDER 55′S NOT GETTING IT Just playback the special election press conference last night with the crowd shouting MEDICARE! MEDICARE! MEDICARE! and you’ll see that this is a VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT

so it is fine the way it is?

for anyone who oppose fixing Medicare, just state that you think Medicare is stable… and if not provide the alternative plan you support…

I watched Ryan on Morning Joe. He claims that this is not a voucher program and said that Medicare would present choices for those who qualify. What exactly does that mean. Who is Medicare? Is it Bureaucrats. If he wants to put the issue to rest and stop what he refers to as Mediscare. Buy some network time. Develop a flow chart present it on screen and show exactly the steps people under 55 would need ot take to make these choices. Otherwise, both sides will continue to play politics.

skoorbekim said:
we do not in the US?!
which country has better cancer survival rates?
which country has shorter wait times for surgery?

Of course you guys take care of the sick, as long as they have the cash to cover it.

skoorbekim said:
for anyone who oppose fixing Medicare, just state that you think Medicare is stable… and if not provide the alternative plan you support…

That’s the beauty of it…..the Democrats don’t have to! Those handouts that talk radio always bemoans? Those were fun to wail and gnash your teeth about when it was things like welfare. Now that it’s Medicare on the chopping block and we have a huge number of soon to be seniors people don’t quite see it the same.

posterchild said:
Anyone remember the 2009 GOP Summer of Hate town halls?The hateful and racist signs, spitting on sitting members of Congress, the death threats? I remember, won’t forget anytime soon.

It was only the “summer of hate” as portrayed by the liberal media since it opposed Obama and the Democrats. Too many people simply trusted their anecdotal and one sided stories without open minded investigation. Trusting the MSM is one of the main reasons America is in such dire straits.
The summer of 2008 would actually be better described as the summer of righteous indignation toward a giant, out of control government bent on invasive control of our lives and money.
This, however, is a discussion for an entirely different thread and a distraction from the topic of how to save Medicare, which I assume was what you were trying to do here.

I think most Americans (seniors and those between 35-54 years of age) understand this will not affect current medicare recipients but will drastically hurt future recepients. We’re not idiots, Mr. Ryan, as you would have the press believe of American citizens. Furthermore, you may not use the term “voucher”, as that is the democratic scare terminology, but in your OWN words, you claim your plan would give future seniors a lump sum of money which they in turn can use to purchase their preferred policy. What is that if NOT a voucher plan?! When George Bush tried to push the education voucher plan (which he at least called a voucher), his exact explanation was individual families would receive a certain amount of federal money to send their children to PRIVATE schools. Your trade of money for insurance is NOT at all different from Bush’s “VOUCHER” trade of money for education…neither offer much and expect the taxpayer, who HAS paid into medicare, to cover the excess costs which WILL UNDOUBTEDLY accrue. Get real…we know it’s not about the current seniors…they know too…but they want their children and grandchildren to have the same assistance they receive. And why shouldn’t they? We of the younger generation work just as hard and get our money deducted to help pay for medicare and social security. No one is Demagoging this…what a ridiculous word. Speak honest english! As for Joe Scarborough, I’m so disappointed he didn’t bring up this “age” issue about who is REALLY affected by the Ryancare bill. You’re usally so thorough, Joe…what happened?

Demagogue and distort,…. oh, for a second there I thought that was “Palin” talking about “death panels”! Falsehoods and scare tatics,…oooh, I did it again I thought Ryan was talking about the lies the “teas” spewed out about healthcare reform! I’ve got to to learn to listen a little better to the hypocrisy and double standards! My mistake!

Andrew Breitbart has $100,000 dollars?

Ha, ha, ha, payback is a b-i-t-c-h, huh?

ROTFLMBAO!

skoorbekim said:
so medicare is fine?

Not what I was addressing! I certainly don’t see how a plan that gives trillions more in tax cuts helps.

skoorbekim said:
so it is fine the way it is?

Never said that. All i said is Ryan’s plan is NOT the way to fix it.

Ryan’s plan isn’t the ONLY ANSWER

the President and his party have decided to shamelessly distort and demagogue Medicare

They can’t do that to our voters! Only we can do that to our voters!

ProudCanadian said:
Of course you guys take care of the sick, as long as they have the cash to cover it.

please do not comment w/out knowledge of what you speak…

im_lovin_it said:
That’s the beauty of it…..the Democrats don’t have to!

this D-Nothing tactic will boomerang on the Dems…

jim bronson 990cc said:
Not what I was addressing! I certainly don’t see how a plan that gives trillions more in tax cuts helps.

?!

if you want less of something, tax it…

How DARE the lying LIBS make up flat out LIES about Ryan’s AMAZING plan when we Right-Thinking Americans were nothing but HONEST in our criticisms of OBAMACARE and how it is going to bankrupt America and lead to the SLAUGHTER of the elderly!!!!!!!11111

Bill Huggins said:
Ryan’s plan isn’t the ONLY ANSWER

do you support the Democrat sponsored plan? and if so please clue me in to what it is…

Karl Spensen said:
How DARE the lying LIBS make up flat out LIES about Ryan’s AMAZING plan when we Right-Thinking Americans were nothing but HONEST in our criticisms of OBAMACARE and how it is going to bankrupt America and lead to the SLAUGHTER of the elderly!!!!!!!11111

speaking of which…
whose plan cut Medicare spending?

Once again the god- fearing, patriotic, family loving Republicans have been done in by the nasty anti-American Democrats with their allies in the news media! Boo F*ing Hoo!! Hoo!

Excuse me but aren’t these the same ones that told us there were death panels in the health care bill and that democrats wanted to “pull the plug on grandma?” Arent they the ones that told us there were WMDs in Iraq and we had to act fast. ( without thinking) . Did Newt not criticize this very bill or are we all in a mass state of delusion?

Does this bill not end Medicare and substitute a voucher system instead thus allowing 68 year old guys with diabetes to shop around for an insurance company stupid enough to insure them! Was it not because of situations like that, that Medicare was passed back in the 60s? You know Medicare,..,the bill Reagan said would end freedom as we know it?

These are the same ones that promised a balanced budget but never even proposed one and now want to balance the budget ONLY with cuts in benefits and dont even think of tax hikes to millionaires!! Hell that is socialism, class warfare and income redistribution..according to them!

Republican party is the party of the very rich and the bigoted who cant stand seeing a black face in a white house and will do or say anything to further their nasty, feed the rich, agenda. They dont want reform…which we do need.. They want power and more money and a white face in the white house..and if you dont understand that at this point….you’re either with them or just plain blind!

NonElite said:
It was only the “summer of hate” as portrayed by the liberal media since it opposed Obama and the Democrats. Too many people simply trusted their anecdotal and one sided stories without open minded investigation. Trusting the MSM is one of the main reasons America is in such dire straits.
The summer of 2008 would actually be better described as the summer of righteous indignation toward a giant, out of control government bent on invasive control of our lives and money.
This, however, is a discussion for an entirely different thread and a distraction from the topic of how to save Medicare, which I assume was what you were trying to do here.

Oh I see, the media planted those hateful signs to make tea-baggers look bad. Righteous indignation or intimidation? The overspending began in 08 on wars and tax cuts for millionaires like you. I’m assuming you’re a millionaire otherwise why would you defend such garbage.

Vietnameravet said:
Republican party is the party of the very rich and the bigoted who cant stand seeing a black face in a white house

credibility nose dive… racer…

posterchild said:
tea-baggers look bad.

unlike the brilliant Obamabaggers who cry racism at every other argument…

posterchild said:
Oh I see, the media planted those hateful signs to make tea-baggers look bad. Righteous indignation or intimidation? The overspending began in 08 on wars and tax cuts for millionaires like you. I’m assuming you’re a millionaire otherwise why would you defend such garbage.

Thank you for proving my point about you, I couldn’t have done any better.

skoorbekim said:
unlike the brilliant Obamabaggers who cry racism at every other argument…

I saw the signs, maybe you didn’t, because you watch FOX. I know this, because you “edited” what I said, just like your favorite cable channel does on a frequent basis.
What’s a person to think after seeing such displays of racism?
Why do you choose to be misinformed?

Liberal Tormentor said:
posterchild says:
Anyone remember the 2009 GOP Summer of Hate town halls?
The hateful and racist signs, spitting on sitting members of Congress, the death threats?

Honey, that spitting has been debunked 1000 times. You need to stop using that lie.

Prove it to me!
I don’t watch FOX or listen to Limbaugh.

skoorbekim said:
do you support the Democrat sponsored plan? and if so please clue me in to what it is…

How about single payer? Gets rid of the profit motive. No more multi-million dollar CEO’s.
Take the 114% payment from the Medicare+ subsidies to private insurance cos. (That’s the $500B. that AFHA wants to cut) back to 100%. Why should private industry get paid $ .14 for every dollar they put up?

posterchild said:
I saw the signs, maybe you didn’t, because you watch FOX. I know this, because you “edited” what I said, just like your favorite cable channel does on a frequent basis.What’s a person to think after seeing such displays of racism?Why do you choose to be misinformed?

calling people racist won’t save Medicare…
funny how a thread on a major budget issue brings out the racers…
keep voting for the Do-Nothing plan and enjoy the ride to insolvency:
“I helped bankrupt Medicare and all I got is this Obamabagging T-shirt”

Glackin said:
Gets rid of the profit motive.

who would force the doctors to see the medicare patients?

Glackin,
you do know that more and more doctor practices are dropping their treatment for medicare recipients?

LMAO @ the CONS whining about demagoguery. You idiots were tooting about DEATH PANELS last year and how Obama wanted to kill seniors. Remember that….idiots?

skoorbekim said:
who would force the doctors to see the medicare patients?

skoorbekim said:
Glackin,
you do know that more and more doctor practices are dropping their treatment for medicare recipients?

If you stop paying 30% overhead to private insurance, you’ll have 27% more money to pay doctors and hospitals, who actually provide the care. (Overhead costs for Medicare are [+/-] 3%).
The average income for a primary care physician is $160K. For a specialist it is $340K.
I think they won’t starve.

skoorbekim said:
?! if you want less of something, tax it…

UMMMMM, do you have a clue as to what I was referencing? If not, you should educate yourself about the Ryan plan before trying to convince others of its worth.

Glackin said:
If you stop paying 30% overhead to private insurance, you’ll have 27% more money to pay doctors and hospitals, who actually provide the care. (Overhead costs for Medicare are [+/-] 3%).The average income for a primary care physician is $160K. For a specialist it is $340K.I think they won’t starve.

I thought you wanted to eliminate the “profit motive”…

More doctors are refusing to see Medicare patients because they do not get paid as much…

so, under your plan, who will force the doctors to see these patients?

jim bronson 990cc said:
UMMMMM, do you have a clue as to what I was referencing? If not, you should educate yourself about the Ryan plan before trying to convince others of its worth.

try me…

show me the “trillions of dollars of tax cuts”…

then show me how to pay for the current medicare short falls…

LETS SEE…REPUBLICAN/TEAPUBLICANS WANTED TO PUT SOCIAL SECURITY INTO WALL STREET! NOW THEY WANT TO GET RID OF MEDICARE! SUCH GOOD IDEAS YOU PEOPLE HAVE!

skoorbekim said:
I thought you wanted to eliminate the “profit motive”…

More doctors are refusing to see Medicare patients because they do not get paid as much…

so, under your plan, who will force the doctors to see these patients?

What I said I wanted was to remove the 30% profit.
This is the 21st Century. While they have some esoteric uses, medicine today could do with far fewer leeches.
I would have no problem paying doctors an annual salary. At present they are the only part of the medical profession that gets paid for piecework.
Where I live, ER’s and Health Clinics hire doctors on salary.
The institution pays malpractice insurance, and many offer school debt relief as part of the compensation.
Doctors straight out of training are getting $80K–$120K, with minimal expenses.

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Glackin said:
What I said I wanted was to remove the 30% profit.This is the 21st Century. While they have some esoteric uses, medicine today could do with far fewer leeches.I would have no problem paying doctors an annual salary. At present they are the only part of the medical profession that gets paid for piecework.Where I live, ER’s and Health Clinics hire doctors on salary.The institution pays malpractice insurance, and many offer school debt relief as part of the compensation.Doctors straight out of training are getting $80K–$120K, with minimal expenses.

government owned ER’s and clinics?

Glackin said:
What I said I wanted was to remove the 30% profit.
This is the 21st Century. While they have some esoteric uses, medicine today could do with far fewer leeches.
I would have no problem paying doctors an annual salary. At present they are the only part of the medical profession that gets paid for piecework.
Where I live, ER’s and Health Clinics hire doctors on salary.
The institution pays malpractice insurance, and many offer school debt relief as part of the compensation.
Doctors straight out of training are getting $80K–$120K, with minimal expenses.

no offense, but you need to some research on this topic…
ER and Health Clinics are only a sliver of the industry…

Surgeons and specialist are not tied down… they choose where and how to practice their trade…
many, like I said, are refusing to accept medicare and medicaid patients… this fact is irrefutable…

a heart specialist lives in a city… he/she probably has a private practice… he is not employed by any hospital eventhough he/she might perform operations at many different hospitals in the area… they are free to refuse certain payments structures, ie medicare…

so who will force these doctors to see medicare patients at a loss?

to assist in your research see “the doctor fix…”

Thanks Matt for covering substantive issues relating to Medicare and our nation’s precarious financial situation!

You gotta love liberals…. they proclaim that conservatives want to “kill granny”, while at the same time their messiah Obama took millions from MediCare so his socialist health care would look more viable.

Anyone with half a brain knows that Obama wants MC to go bankrupt…. just give the elderly a pill instead of that surgery they want….. out of his own mouth.

Karl Spensen said:
DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS DEATH PANELS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

Did you fail to mention death panels, or am I just missing something?

bitterclinger said:
You gotta love liberals…. they proclaim that conservatives want to “kill granny”, while at the same time their messiah Obama took millions from MediCare so his socialist health care would look more viable.

Anyone with half a brain knows that Obama wants MC to go bankrupt…. just give the elderly a pill instead of that surgery they want….. out of his own mouth.

Are you squawking about the 14% PROFIT he took from private insurance?

cjd ohio 1 said:
government owned ER’s and clinics?

Municipal Hospitals and Clinics.

Glackin said:
Are you squawking about the 14% PROFIT he took from private insurance? Municipal Hospitals and Clinics.

so yes

skoorbekim said:
no offense, but you need to some research on this topic…
ER and Health Clinics are only a sliver of the industry…

Surgeons and specialist are not tied down… they choose where and how to practice their trade…
many, like I said, are refusing to accept medicare and medicaid patients… this fact is irrefutable…

a heart specialist lives in a city… he/she probably has a private practice… he is not employed by any hospital eventhough he/she might perform operations at many different hospitals in the area… they are free to refuse certain payments structures, ie medicare…

so who will force these doctors to see medicare patients at a loss?

to assist in your research see “the doctor fix…”

What profession gets to decide its own salary?
No one would force them to see anyone.
They can accept the payment, or let someone else do the work.
Despite what they may think, none of them are irreplaceable.
Isn’t that the “American Way?”

Glackin said:
?No one would force them to see anyone.They can accept the payment, or let someone else do the work.Despite what they may think, none of them are irreplaceable.Isn’t that the “American Way?”

is that how it works at the clinic, i doubt it since the doctors are government employees

Glackin said:
What profession gets to decide its own salary?”

independent contracters , plumbers, handyman, free lance writers

cjd ohio 1 said:
so yes

That’s what we have. There are religious backed hospitals that have similar programs.

BlueBunny said:
LETS SEE…REPUBLICAN/TEAPUBLICANS WANTED TO PUT SOCIAL SECURITY INTO WALL STREET! NOW THEY WANT TO GET RID OF MEDICARE! SUCH GOOD IDEAS YOU PEOPLE HAVE!

Nobody wants to get rid of Medicare. That is an outright lie.

Glackin said:
That’s what we have. There are religious backed hospitals that have similar programs.

true

cjd ohio 1 said:
independent contracters , plumbers, handyman, free lance writers

And if they price themselves out of the market, what happens?

Glackin said:
What profession gets to decide its own salary?No one would force them to see anyone.They can accept the payment, or let someone else do the work.Despite what they may think, none of them are irreplaceable.Isn’t that the “American Way?”

so the doctors at the clinic can refuse to see someone?

Glackin said:
And if they price themselves out of the market, what happens?

that was not the question , you asked, but the better the quality of work usually gets payed more

Glackin said:
What profession gets to decide its own salary?
No one would force them to see anyone.
They can accept the payment, or let someone else do the work.
Despite what they may think, none of them are irreplaceable.
Isn’t that the “American Way?”

understanding that is important…

do you concede the real possibility of a doctor shortage?

who will see the new gov’t backed case loads?

Glackin said:
And if they price themselves out of the market, what happens?

exactly!

if the medicare cases price themselves out of the market, what will happen?

cjd ohio 1 said:
is that how it works at the clinic, i doubt it since the doctors are government employees

Quit trying to whipsaw me between you and scoobydo.
He and I are talking about private practice.
You were commenting on clinics and ER’s I described.
They are different.
In hospitals, everyone BUT the doctors is paid a salary. Why?

Glackin said:
How about single payer? Gets rid of the profit motive. No more multi-million dollar CEO’s.Take the 114% payment from the Medicare+ subsidies to private insurance cos. (That’s the $500B. that AFHA wants to cut) back to 100%. Why should private industry get paid $ .14 for every dollar they put up?

single payer will mean the government sets the prices for medical care, which set the salary for doctors……basically the doctors become goverment employees

Glackin said:
Quit trying to whipsaw me between you and scoobydo.He and I are talking about private practice.You were commenting on clinics and ER’s I described.They are different.In hospitals, everyone BUT the doctors is paid a salary. Why?

never mind, you just double talk, once your point is dicussed you get pissed, ER’s and clinic were you point…….forget it

Start explaqining what it ” IS ” for people under 55 dipshit.

You started this. You couldn’t keep your f***ing fat mouth shut to force the democrat hand and now they’re kicking the living s**t out of the entire Republican party BECAUSE OF YOU.

FIX IT or resign you self righteous POS, before it’s too late.

There I said it.

Glackin said:
Quit trying to whipsaw me between you and scoobydo.He and I are talking about private practice.You were commenting on clinics and ER’s I described.They are different.In hospitals, everyone BUT the doctors is paid a salary. Why?

lol private practice and the you bring up ER’s and clinics, which are not private practices, and then bitch lol

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/20/paul-ryan-wealthy-tax-breaks/

Barack Must Go said:
Start explaqining what it ” IS ” for people under 55 dipshit.

You started this. You couldn’t keep your f***ing fat mouth shut to force the democrat hand and now they’re kicking the living s**t out of the entire Republican party BECAUSE OF YOU.

FIX IT or resign you self righteous POS, before it’s too late.

There I said it.

It’s too late….already……

cjd ohio 1 said:
never mind, you just double talk, once your point is dicussed you get pissed, ER’s and clinic were you point…….forget it

I see you can’t have two trains of thought at once.
The ER and Clinic Drs. are employees and serve every patient.
Their pay is based on time, not numbers.
Private practice Drs. are paid by the patient. It is one of the problems with the system.
Drs. schedule patients to maximize income, not care.

Ryan’s claims have been fact checked: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/25/6716917-fact-check-ryan-on-the-ryan-plan

bitterclinger said:
You gotta love liberals…. they proclaim that conservatives want to “kill granny”, while at the same time their messiah Obama took millions from MediCare so his socialist health care would look more viable. Anyone with half a brain knows that Obama wants MC to go bankrupt…. just give the elderly a pill instead of that surgery they want….. out of his own mouth.

Actually, we gotta love people like you!

Your kind equated “end of life counseling” with “Death Panels”. Now you want to cry over the fact that your side, in fact, wants to kill Granny? Not in one fell swoop. Oh, no. They want to give vouchers that wouldn’t cover enough costs/care.

It’s no one’s fault but Ryan et al. that his message was delivered so poorly. But, truthfully, if the Republicans get their way, they will effectively be killing Grandma, Grandpa, Nana, Poppa, Meemaw, etc.

Greg said:
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/20/paul-ryan-wealthy-tax-breaks/

this is a little more entertaining.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/tax-cuts-for-the-rich-on-the-backs-of-the-middle-class-or-paul-ryan-has-balls-20110407

TheEagle said:
Ryan’s claims have been fact checked: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/25/6716917-fact-check-ryan-on-the-ryan-plan

Also, Politifact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/apr/15/Sorting-out-facts-Republican-budget-plan/

Poor BlueEyes. Not doing so good, is he? Pesky facts get in the way…

Glackin said:
I see you can’t have two trains of thought at once.The ER and Clinic Drs. are employees and serve every patient.Their pay is based on time, not numbers.Private practice Drs. are paid by the patient. It is one of the problems with the system.Drs. schedule patients to maximize income, not care.

you are a fool, and still double talk, you want all doctors to be like the one at the ER and clinics, nice insult, but double talk to someone else because i see right through you lol

TheEagle said:
Ryan’s claims have been fact checked: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/25/6716917-fact-check-ryan-on-the-ryan-plan

what a lying pos ryan…from your post.

“People who turn 65 in 2022 or later years and Disability Insurance beneficiaries who become eligible for Medicare in 2022 or later would not enroll in the current Medicare program but instead would be entitled to a premium support payment to help them purchase private health insurance.”

i’m sure those insurance agencies will be lining up to insure the elderly and disabled. nice plan you clowns are lining up to.

Glackin said:
I see you can’t have two trains of thought at once.The ER and Clinic Drs. are employees and serve every patient.Their pay is based on time, not numbers.Private practice Drs. are paid by the patient. It is one of the problems with the system.Drs. schedule patients to maximize income, not care.

you want it like the VA hospital, where you take a number like the DMV to have blood drawn

avoidswork said:
Also, Politifact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/apr/15/Sorting-out-facts-Republican-budget-plan/

Poor BlueEyes. Not doing so good, is he? Pesky facts get in the way…

avoidswork said:
Also, Politifact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/apr/15/Sorting-out-facts-Republican-budget-plan/

Poor BlueEyes. Not doing so good, is he? Pesky facts get in the way…

thx for these links

grafxmail7 said:
It’s too late….already……

Not quite, but if Ryan doesn’t stop the bullshit about it doesn’t affect anyone over 55 and explain his shitty plan in it’s entirety, plus the Republicans just go along with it then MY party deserves to lose next November.

If I want a shitty deal that hurts us ” real ” Americans I’d have voted for Obama.

Enough is enough with this Republican party and all the supposed conservatives that love their families and this country.

Boehner sucks, McConnell sucks, Issa SUCKS BIG TIME, Ryan has sabotaged the entire Republican political apparatus and he’s still whining about how it’s Obama and the dems fault……F**K him. NICE GUYS END UP LAST and I’m not willing to let that happen. Hopefully some other conservatives grow a pair and speak up before it’s too f**King late.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This was just voted down in the Senate. All those who voted yes are going to have a VERY INTERESTING election season

HAHAHAHAHAHA

SAYONARA!!!!

cjd ohio 1 said:
you want it like the VA hospital, where you take a number like the DMV to have blood drawn

I’d honestly prefer the VA hospital(s) to be better than they are since our veterans deserve better care than they’re getting these days. not that the GOPers care or anything…

ChiliPeppersFan said:
this is a little more entertaining.http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/tax-cuts-for-the-rich-on-the-backs-of-the-middle-class-or-paul-ryan-has-balls-20110407

*sigh* Taibbi. always a good call.

Barack Must Go said:
Not quite, but if Ryan doesn’t stop the bullshit about it doesn’t affect anyone over 55 and explain his shitty plan in it’s entirety, plus the Republicans just go along with it then MY party deserves to lose next November. If I want a shitty deal that hurts us ” real ” Americans I’d have voted for Obama. Enough is enough with this Republican party and all the supposed conservatives that love their families and this country. Boehner sucks, McConnell sucks, Issa SUCKS BIG TIME, Ryan has sabotaged the entire Republican political apparatus and he’s still whining about how it’s Obama and the dems fault……F**K him. NICE GUYS END UP LAST and I’m not willing to let that happen. Hopefully some other conservatives grow a pair and speak up before it’s too f**King late.

Wow. You’re like off the rails in a different capacity.

But elevating BlueEyes to the top of the sh*t list is absurd in your list of lists. Fortunately for you, the sh*tty deal was vetoed in the Senate so you don’ t even have to worry your pretty little cigarette over voting for Obama ;)

Finally, you need to realize that most of our CongressCritters have no pair. Whether we’re talking about a pair that reside above the belt or below the belt — courage just isn’t there. For the most part, they generally have nothing to fear from their constituents because we aren’t out there screaming/yelling and making our voices heard. Therefore, they just shake it off like an Etch-A-Sketch, then repeat.

cjd ohio 1 said:
you want it like the VA hospital, where you take a number like the DMV to have blood drawn

DMF in OHIO–EVERY hospital or clinic I have ever used had a waiting line for blood tests, x- rays, etc.
EVERY doctor’s office had a “waiting room.”
I’ve sat in those rooms for as much as two hours after my scheduled appointment, waiting.You haven’t?

Matt Schneider said:
Ryan is confident that the truth will get out and that an attempt at fixing programs will triumph over the tactic of scaring people. Especially since he warns, “if we demagogue entitlement reform, then the programs themselves collapse.” And while it’s hard to argue against the idea that if nothing is done, then the programs go bankrupt, some may think such a statement in and of itself is a scare tactic.

Matt, that is circular logic. There has to be a point somewhere where telling the truth comes into play- and telling the truth, no matter how scary is NOT a scare tactic.

The bigger problem is that all the idiots in the media do is report what politicians say. Why can’t anyone say definitively that someone is lying or telling the truth? Both sides can’t be right here.

You arent journalists, you are stenographers. No wonder Americans don’t trust you.

skoorbekim said:
try me… show me the “trillions of dollars of tax cuts”… then show me how to pay for the current medicare short falls…

Anything else?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2011/04/27/cbs-s-cordes-charges-ryan-s-plan-undermined-big-tax-cut-wealthy

Barack Must Go said:
Not quite, but if Ryan doesn’t stop the bullshit about it doesn’t affect anyone over 55 and explain his shitty plan in it’s entirety, plus the Republicans just go along with it then MY party deserves to lose next November. If I want a shitty deal that hurts us ” real ” Americans I’d have voted for Obama. Enough is enough with this Republican party and all the supposed conservatives that love their families and this country. Boehner sucks, McConnell sucks, Issa SUCKS BIG TIME, Ryan has sabotaged the entire Republican political apparatus and he’s still whining about how it’s Obama and the dems fault……F**K him. NICE GUYS END UP LAST and I’m not willing to let that happen. Hopefully some other conservatives grow a pair and speak up before it’s too f**King late.

It is not BS as has already been addressed. Stick your head in the sand, if you must, but admit it is ticking your head in the sand!

jim bronson 990cc said:
It is not BS as has already been addressed. Stick your head in the sand, if you must, but admit it is ticking your head in the sand!

I’m all for addressing the issues. I am not for some young Republican punk ( Ryan is a punk ) putting out a half baked plan, then outright refusing to explain himself for two, maybe three months now.

The vrest of the dipshit Republicans just going along is criminal in my book.

All Ryan keeps saying is it won’t affect anyone over 55. What about the rest of us ????

Shades of ” We’ve got to pass the bill to know what’s in the bill ” bullshit to me.

Ryan’s got to explain himself and his plan, as it affects all Americans or resign, this is that f**ked up.

Barack Must Go said:
I’m all for addressing the issues. I am not for some young Republican punk ( Ryan is a punk ) putting out a half baked plan, then outright refusing to explain himself for two, maybe three months now. The vrest of the dipshit Republicans just going along is criminal in my book. All Ryan keeps saying is it won’t affect anyone over 55. What about the rest of us ???? Shades of ” We’ve got to pass the bill to know what’s in the bill ” bullshit to me. Ryan’s got to explain himself and his plan, as it affects all Americans or resign, this is that f**ked up.

Wow! I am impressed.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
what a lying pos ryan…from your post.

Ryan’s lying and Matt Schneider is swearing to it.

Glackin said:
DMF in OHIO–EVERY hospital or clinic I have ever used had a waiting line for blood tests, x- rays, etc.EVERY doctor’s office had a “waiting room.”I’ve sat in those rooms for as much as two hours after my scheduled appointment, waiting.You haven’t?

you have no idea how the VA works dummy, lost records, wrong records (try to get that out even when it has wrong name and last 4. ) like usual you just spit shit out you have no idea about, but for you it happens regularly

Holy smoke, the typical maelstrom and I just waltzed right into it. I guess my only comment for the evening is that Congreessman Ryan should pick up his toys a go home!

Do you question the man’s motives or authenticity? Why would he subject himself to this petulence? Either he is consumed by political ambition, or, guided by altruism and benevolence. Personally, I believe the latter.

Moreover, has anyone else met America’s Economic dilemma as “head on” as Ryan? OK, then you fix it!

BARACK MUST GO: I sent you a Post about Robbie Krieger, and so on:…

“The Blond was called Freedom, the Dark one, Enterprise. We talked and they told me a story”…

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

purveyor said:
Holy smoke, the typical maelstrom and I just waltzed right into it. I guess my only comment for the evening is that Congreessman Ryan should pick up his toys a go home!

Do you question the man’s motives or authenticity? Why would he subject himself to this petulence? Either he is consumed by political ambition, or, guided by altruism and benevolence. Personally, I believe the latter.

Moreover, has anyone else met America’s Economic dilemma as “head on” as Ryan? OK, then you fix it!

BARACK MUST GO: I sent you a Post about Robbie Krieger, and so on:…

“The Blond was called Freedom, the Dark one, Enterprise. We talked and they told me a story”…

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

No matter his reasoning..this is not about him. When will these frigging politicians ( Obama, now Ryan ) figure out it’s not ever about them?

To: JIMBRONSON–990cc Huh? Is that a photo from the old series, or, you wearing an old K-Mart Helmet on some kind of hermaphroditic Brit Bike? LOL

Sure isn’t the “Billy Boy” bike Easy Rider?

Barack Must Go said:
No matter his reasoning..this is not about him. When will these frigging politicians ( Obama, now Ryan ) figure out it’s not ever about them?

Then where do we find the Philosopher Kings devoid of personal desires?

BARACK MUST GO:

“If a sculptor, creates the perfect sculpture a man, (say, Michelangelo’s David) but, in reality, no human being can meet that “perfection”. Does that make the sculpture any less compelling”?

Plato’s Republic, allegory of the sculpture

purveyor said:
Then where do we find the Philosopher Kings devoid of personal desires?

One would hope on the other side of the 2012 election…….silly me.

purveyor said:
BARACK MUST GO:

“If a sculptor, creates the perfect sculpture a man, (say, Michelangelo’s David) but, in reality, no human being can meet that “perfection”. Plato’s Republic, allegory of the sculpture

Oh wait, wait, I’ve got one…… If a bear shits in the woods ………Does that make the sculpture any less compelling”?

Only when it’s made of pure unadulterated bullshit. Which unfortunately appears to be the case here.

Some people may foolishly buy into it, but that does not make it what it is not.

When I was a little kid my grandparents own a lot of apartment buildings. My grandfather would take my brother and I with him when he painted.

While we worked he would sing to us…” A coat of paint, a coat of paint, makes things look like what they ain’t “.

I’m afraid that’s all we’ve got here with Paul Ryan’s plan, only nobody is willing to sing about it.

BARACK MUST GO:

Your sarcasm confuses me, perhaps as much a my use of Dialectic Philosophy does you? You are very much like my friend from Philly, he’s a Union Boss, curiously.

I was only trying to be polite and engage you as to your thoughts. I’ve read your Posts over the past weeks and they are a bit, oh, shall we say rough around the edges. HOWEVER, wisdom can be found in places one least expects them, don’t you agree?

I always viewed “the allegory of sculpture”, as relating to our Constitution. In 1787, during that long hot summer, those men created the PERFECT governmental treatise. Yet in application, it has fallen short on occasion, does that make the document(s) any less compelling?

I am just trying to give Ryan credit for ATTEMPTING to fashion what he sees as the perfect statue, so to speak. That is more than most?

“Dreams watching each other narrowly”

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

purveyor said:
Holy smoke, the typical maelstrom and I just waltzed right into it. I guess my only comment for the evening is that Congreessman Ryan should pick up his toys a go home! Do you question the man’s motives or authenticity? Why would he subject himself to this petulence? Either he is consumed by political ambition, or, guided by altruism and benevolence. Personally, I believe the latter. Moreover, has anyone else met America’s Economic dilemma as “head on” as Ryan? OK, then you fix it! BARACK MUST GO: I sent you a Post about Robbie Krieger, and so on:… “The Blond was called Freedom, the Dark one, Enterprise. We talked and they told me a story”… PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

He hasn’t met anything. Have you seen what this plan actually does? It is a scam!

jim bronson 990cc said:
He hasn’t met anything. Have you seen what this plan actually does? It is a scam!

So, your assertion is that Ryan has diabolical or evil intentions, that there will be winners and losers, victors and vanquished? What is the PRIZE Rep. Ryan seeks? World domination, sexual gratification, gluttony?

990cc, you say that Ryan “hasn’t met anything.” May I ask what you have “met”, in our Nations quest for fiscal responsibility, besides to complain? I’ve read your Posts and I think, we both understand the need to return to a philosophy of free enterprise and personal responsibility? However, I give credit to Ryan for being bold enough to address the problem.

Currently, the Political discourse in America seems to have passed back to the Left because of internecine squabbling on the Right. I want the nascent Socialist philosophy, stopped by the next election.

Lastly, any problems or weaknesses with the Ryan plan, the Right should be able to adjust or affect by themselves, without the input of the Left. The Left no longer matters as they have proven their philosophy to be antithetical to that of the Founding Fathers. The Left cannot balance a checkbook, furthermore, doesn’t see the need. Yet, Liberals wants to buy you car, build you a house and throw in a College Education!

After Katrina and now, after the Mid-West Tornados, etc, we find out the the true victims of a “SCAM” were the responsible homeowners and heads of families who had insurance and prepared their families for bad times. The other group, that didn’t prepare, well, Uncle Sam was there for them too. Citizens that exhibit personal responsibility have become the ‘chumps’ and ‘suckers’ of a “SCAM”.

Simply put, I believe Ryan and supporters, myself included, resent doing for others, what they won’t do for themselves. American’s are a very generous people. We also, used to be quite good at discerning right and wrong.

Now, what about the photo, what kind Bike and who is riding it? (990cc?)

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

purveyor said:
So, your assertion is that Ryan has diabolical or evil intentions, that there will be winners and losers, victors and vanquished? What is the PRIZE Rep. Ryan seeks? World domination, sexual gratification, gluttony? 990cc, you say that Ryan “hasn’t met anything.” May I ask what you have “met”, in our Nations quest for fiscal responsibility, besides to complain? I’ve read your Posts and I think, we both understand the need to return to a philosophy of free enterprise and personal responsibility? However, I give credit to Ryan for being bold enough to address the problem. Currently, the Political discourse in America seems to have passed back to the Left because of internecine squabbling on the Right. I want the nascent Socialist philosophy, stopped by the next election. Lastly, any problems or weaknesses with the Ryan plan, the Right should be able to adjust or affect by themselves, without the input of the Left. The Left no longer matters as they have proven their philosophy to be antithetical to that of the Founding Fathers. The Left cannot balance a checkbook, furthermore, doesn’t see the need. Yet, Liberals wants to buy you car, build you a house and throw in a College Education! After Katrina and now, after the Mid-West Tornados, etc, we find out the the true victims of a “SCAM” were the responsible homeowners and heads of families who had insurance and prepared their families for bad times. The other group, that didn’t prepare, well, Uncle Sam was there for them too. Citizens that exhibit personal responsibility have become the ‘chumps’ and ’suckers’ of a “SCAM”. Simply put, I believe Ryan and supporters, myself included, resent doing for others, what they won’t do for themselves. American’s are a very generous people. We also, used to be quite good at discerning right and wrong. Now, what about the photo, what kind Bike and who is riding it? (990cc?) PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

1. I have not commented on his intentions.
2. I am not a US Rep.
3. Thanks your your views on the current state of politics.
4. Interesting that you want only input for the right, as everyday I see a new RINO outed.
5. It is refreshing that you are not one of those who is behind the plan one day, then ducks the next because it is no longer popular. Kudos!
Michael Parks is riding the 1969 XLH Harley Davidson Sportster.

purveyor said:

To: JIMBRONSON–990cc Huh? Is that a photo from the old series, or, you wearing an old K-Mart Helmet on some kind of hermaphroditic Brit Bike? LOL

Sure isn’t the “Billy Boy” bike Easy Rider?

“Michael Parks”, I thought so, very cool! The pseudonyms we choose and the photos are give insight as to who we are on the other end of the Net. If it not impolite, why did you chose that photo?

Also, YES, you did comment–the word “scam” fulfills that item.

Also, You may not be a “US” Rep. However, you are a citizen and I assume you vote and participate in Political dialogue?

Also, I sincerely hope that “RINOs” are not lost causes. America needs to reacquire some self respect.

Lastly, I have an 1100 Honda and 900 Triumph in the garage.

purveyor said:
“Michael Parks”, I thought so, very cool! The pseudonyms we choose and the photos are give insight as to who we are on the other end of the Net. If it not impolite, why did you chose that photo? Also, YES, you did comment–the word “scam” fulfills that item. Also, You may not be a “US” Rep. However, you are a citizen and I assume you vote and participate in Political dialogue? Also, I sincerely hope that “RINOs” are not lost causes. America needs to reacquire some self respect. Lastly, I have an 1100 Honda and 900 Triumph in the garage.

One of the few open road shots I could find that was not in black and white.
I don’t think I am in a position to have as much impact as Ryan, but I would support a plan on debt reduction on entitlements, similar to what Kyl and Durbin have proposed. I would like to see a plan that is wider in scope.
As for why I call the plan a “scam”, the vouchers (and Ryan refuses to call them vouchers, even though some, like Herman Cain do) are not going to be accepted by the insurance companies, the plan ends the donut hole coverage, so seniors will pay more, and there are huge tax cuts tied to the legislation, which have zero to do with debt reduction.
Very cool bikes in your garage. The XLH is a 990cc, as per your inquiry.