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President Obama Called ‘Antichrist’ By Heckler At Los Angeles Fundraiser

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During an appearance at a Los Angeles fundraiser, Barack Obama was interrupted by a heckler who reportedly called the sitting president “Antichrist” before repeatedly yelling “Jesus Christ is savior!” Attendance at the event reportedly cost between $250 and $10,000 which afforded party-goers a chance to “rub elbows” with the Commander-in-Chief at the West Hollywood House of Blues. Just as Obama started speaking from the dais, however, the unnamed heckler interrupted president who seemed amused and calm throughout the disruption.

AP’s brief write-up of the incident describes it as such:

It happened at the House of Blues in Los Angeles Monday night.

The man positioned himself up in front of the stage and started shouting loudly right after Obama started talking. The heckler proclaimed that “Jesus Christ is God” and a Christian God. According to Real Clear Politics, the outburst was met with boos from the crowd at the event.

Obama stopped talking. Then after a moment the crowd started chanting “Four more years! Four more years!” and drowned out the heckler.

Its fair to say that, regardless of one’s political opinion, most patriotic Americans don’t like seeing their President being heckled; though it is demonstration of a U.S. citizen’s inalienable rights, it seems both distasteful and disrespectful for the individual holding highest office.

That said, the way that Obama reacts to the heckler is, unto itself, rather entertaining. He clearly is unfazed by the interruption, stopping his speech so that the nearby heckler can finish yelling. He even goes so far to agree with the heckler regarding his position on Jesus Christ before making sure that he doesn’t leave his jacket behind.

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  • Anonymous

    The sum-total of Barak (who’s insane) OBAMO: “You corporations are evil,
    heartless institutions who just feed on the poor and subjugate workers.
    We need to punish you more, and regulate and tax you more until you….
    wait… where are you going? Come back!”

  • TruDat

    $250 – $10,000 to attend?  And all those left-wing freaks on MSNBC were crying their eyes out when Ryan requested a $10 donation to attend his fund raiser.

  • TruDat

    . . . “write me a check! Come on guys!”

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    Bush was called the AntiChrist, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. By now-Obama supporters. Every day.

    Toughen up, O-bot buttercups.

  • Glutton

    Watch the heckler become a GOP frontrunner for the presidential nomination.

  • AAA

    I LOVE Obama

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    The funny thing is that the Republicons here will think the guy was a Democrat, because in their minds a Republicon would never do such a thing!!

  • L_Salazar

    You liberals need to toughen up for Christs sake!

    You called President Bush every thing in the book and more.

  • JimR

    AWWWWWWWW !!!
    You are SO clever………………….

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    Quit your whining. Get out there and march. Don’t forget your armbands and slogans.

  • Wid

    corporations and wall street are a bunch of crooks feeding off the tax payer money while the working folks can’t get a break

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    And Christ Christie likes Twinkies or something!

    LOL!@!!!

  • Anonymous

    Hmm didn’t Bush get re-elected? Yay! Four more years! 
    so stay in your bunker, pansy-az! 

  • Anonymous

    Not before Faux Nooz gives him a platform to ramble on further about what just happened.. you know how it goes..
    Heckled the Prez? Next up interview @ the right-wing news

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    i agree it’s tacky, but every POTUS has been heckled. I guess when you pay somewhere between $250-$10,000 you want to get your money’s worth. 

  • Pablo

    Man, wouldn’t life without corporations be awesome? But then, who would you blame?

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    Stop whining, O-bot.

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    *DRINK

    -Fox News mentioned in a thread that has nothing to do with Fox News.

  • Anonymous

    Bush mentioned in a thread that has nothing to do with the article! OH MY! 

    *GULP

  • Anonymous

    If that’s what you would call a “whining”, I’ll send you a dictionary but you’ll have to wait three more months!

  • Pablo

    Good luck with that.

  • Pablo

    I was guessing he was a priest.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Hmmm koinkidink?

    Lawrence O’Donnell Investigates: ‘Is Barack Obama The Anti-Christ?’
    VIDEO
    by Frances Martel | 9:15 pm, September 26th, 2011

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lawrence-odonnell-investigates-is-barack-obama-the-anti-christ/

  • Pablo

    Dictionary? Here: http://tinyurl.com/nv2xt

  • Anonymous

    Why, thank you! Good luck trying to elect the uh.. GOP nominee destined to lose. Hey but never give up though, there’s always 2016! :)

    CHEERS!

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    ts fair to say that, regardless of one’s political opinion, most
    patriotic Americans don’t like seeing their President being heckled;
    though it is demonstration of a U.S. citizen’s inalienable rights, it
    seems both distasteful and disrespectful for the individual holding
    highest office.

    The way Bush was treated by Obama supporters and Democrats during his Presidency was entirely relevant to the discussion and the thread topic.

    It’s called “precedent.”

    Your childish whining about “Faux Nooz,” on the other hand, was completely apropos of nothing and had nothing to do with the thread topic or post topic.

    So *DRINK, O-bot.

  • Anonymous

    come on man just because he doesn’t understand the word “whining” doesn’t make him a sucker. 

    Please be nice to the stupid. They are people too you know.

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    Behold! A society without evil corporations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea

    Let’s be more like them, eh comrades?

  • Anonymous

    Not one heckler.

    By today’s media standards :

    It was the entire audience .

  • Anonymous

    Oh man the irony* here…. 
    ” wah wah wah Bush was called this n that…. so keeping in line with the precedent…. Obama is this n that… so there… hmmpf” 

    *look it up

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Anti-Christ the theological equivalant of the widly held secular belief on the right. Wildly irrational the desire to ascribe every ill to a single personality.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M5V6VTQAVLARF7XXO47Z5OCZWM TangledThorns

    Obama isn’t the anti-Christ however he is an awful awful president.

  • Latin2

    Maybe the heckler was a Muslim? In Islam the Anti-Christ is a black man from Africa;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbasp16bwTI

  • Anonymous

    I’ve heard about the Anti-Christ, and BO doesn’t fit the profile. Am sorry to bust the bubble of the religious zealots among the GOP/TO crowd. You guys are a disgrace to the country. 

  • Latin2

    The Anti-Christ is supposed to do great things to fool the people…Obama has done stupid things and has only fooled  idiots.

  • fanofgrendel

    Yoda says, “Smooth, the Anti-Christ will be.”

  • Anonymous

    If you really believe in such things,Obama is a minion of the anti-christ,a definition of the false prophet,and is one of a number of people who will come and go ahead of the arrival of the actual anti-christ.

    He certainly is playing the part of false prophet well.

  • fanofgrendel

    Yoda says, “Many will love the Anti-Christ, until too late it is.”

  • TbagsRstupid
  • Latin2

    The Anti-Christ is supposed to do great things to fool the
    people…Obama has done stupid things and has only fooled  idiots (and
    Mediaite columnists)

  • TbagsRstupid

    so from your post
    patriotic Americans don’t like seeing their President being heckled

    we can assume you are not

    ps – bush’s people kept out the crazies
    the horrible stuff came at protests

  • Latin2

    Tommy Christopher, is that you?

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I’m just surprised you came to the US simply to heckle our President. What would happen if you became ill and didn’t have free Italian medical care? If you had to pay a dime for medical care you’d have a cardiac arrest.

  • Anonymous

    At least everyone knows he does’nt screen his audience like they thought.

  • Anonymous

    I’m suprised how one of the teabaggers got in?

  • Nano Flex

    obama probably took being called “The Antichrist” as a compliment….

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Frankly, I am surprised and surprised it wasn’t much, much worse than heckling what with the Teapublican mindset these days. Of course, I know what the response from Big Petty and his sorry ilk would be: “You better get use to it. Liberals use to shoot Bush all the time.”

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Well, that was certainly an inane and false connection. Go grate some cheese,

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    It would certainly appear so. Fried. A la mode. With a Fritos a bean dip chaser.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    gawd, you truly are an idiot. 

  • NDanielson

    Colby Hall: He clearly is unfazed by the interruption…”First of all I, I, I, I, I, I, I do agree that Jesus Christ is the Lord…” He cannot even produce a simple sentence without stuttering. So unfazed, and how “entertaining”.

  • Farnsworth

    Calling Obama the anti-Christ is about as relevant as calling him Evil Robot Florence Nightengale. It’s a completely meaningless insult that should be of no consequence to anyone except the ignorant god-botherer that said it.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    and pray tell, how is that an inane and false connection?

    go grate someone else’s nerves.

  • NDanielson

    Valerie Jarrett was screening the “followers”.

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    I’m a little surprised that security allowed John Boehner to get in the room and scream those comments in the first place!! Plus, if you saw the video, it was nice of Obama to allow Boehner to get his jacket back that he left behind!!

  • TruDat

    Stick to your day job.  Wait, you’re a lib; you don’t have a day job.

  • TruDat

    Liberals are historically the violent ones.

  • TruDat

    Couldn’t be any worse than Obama.

  • Anonymous

    “… will think the guy was a Democrat, because in their minds …”
    Liberals tend to believe that they are mind readers: no wonder so many of them are on welfare of one form of another.  Dummy-dog you need to find someone smarter than yourself (probably a republican, LOL) and ask him or her to explain the concepts of ‘staged’ and ‘political dirty tricks’, as applied to the case of this supposed heckler.  On second thought though, never mind.  The concepts are much too deep for you liberal sycophants to comprehend in your psychological state of denial: never think or reason, just close your eyes, stopper your ears, and believe with all your heart in the holy (oops! I mean ‘social’) cause of liberalism, and you will always be correct, good, and just!  Now the chorus: “How do we know?  Dr. Madcow tells us so.”  (Sung to the tune of “Madcow Loves Me”.)

  • TruDat

    Go protest somewhere.

  • NDanielson

    You have such cutesy names for everyone and everything you don’t agree with. Do you speak with a lisp? I have such a hard time reading your drivel without reading it through with an effeminate little lisp. In a cutesy way, Weal Woyal Empoah.

  • Anonymous

    Robert !

    I’v never insulted you !

    Well , not today . So far .

  • Latin2

    Licking Obama’s ——- is Liberal’s job.

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    You’re gonna love the GOP House and Senate next year. Really, you are.
     

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    @missan0nymus:disqus

    Oh man the irony*

    Um, yeah.

    Here’s what irony looks like:

    Its fair to say that, regardless of one’s political opinion, most
    patriotic Americans don’t like seeing their President being heckled;
    though it is demonstration of a U.S. citizen’s inalienable rights, it
    seems both distasteful and disrespectful for the individual holding
    highest office.

    Coming from an Democrat, that’s ironic.

    You do know what the definition of irony is, right?

  • NDanielson

    I’m surprised you can spell the name Boehner, lapdog. And given that special reaction that 0bama seems to cause you to have, I’m sure you’ll never forget how.

  • Wake up America

    Kinda like when someone harass Palin or her family, the next day it’s all over the media. This will never see the light of day except on sites like this. And then again maybe it will and they will try to pin it to the tea party. Obama is good at staging stunts like this and then pinning it on the other side. He is full of the Chicago thuggish tricks.

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    And your mama wears combat boots.

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    *DRINK

    -”Teabaggers” slur used for no reason.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Only when I go into my European Spanish mode. And, Catalan.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    You couldn’t insult me.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Go stick a piece of linguini in your crocheted cap and call it spaghetti.

  • Anonymous

    Heckler / Jester 2012 !!!

  • Anonymous

    LOL you so silly! Thanks for the laugh though.

  • Anonymous

    THIS JUST IN : America finally united under the all-inclusive force of King Obama !

    “Sheila Jackson Lee Tells Right Media & Blogs to Shut Up and Stop Playing Racial Politics Then Seconds Later Says Obama’s Buy American Should Be Buy African American”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/sheila-jackson-lee-tells-right-media-blogs-to-shut-up-and-stop-playing-racial-politics-then-seconds-later-says-buy-american-should-be-buy-african-american/

  • Anonymous

    OBAMAGASM !!!!

  • Anonymous

    Tommy Loves Him Some Obama !!!

  • Wake up America

    It was staged, Obama is desparate and he knows that there is still over half of this nation that are falling for his smoke and mirrors. He knows that over 50 % of our nation is dumb. That’s why he keeps pumping money into education. Teachers are liberals and they promote their ideology, which in turn turns out liberal thinking kids.

  • Anonymous

    Republicons x 2 !!!

    *2 drinks*

  • Anonymous

    Teapublicans !!!  Big Petty !!  Half-Baked Alaskan !!  IL Douchey !!  O’Van Susteren !! ToolBooth !!

  • Pablo

    I wasn’t talking to Good Lt.

  • Pablo

    He’s their Emperor.

  • Michelle

    Senior citizen stalker alert!!

  • Anonymous

    Just as His Majesty King Obama wears a flag pin, Robert wears a Randall Flagg pin on his muumuu.

    A man of Robert’s stature (5’4 , 345 )  demands respect , especially when singing ” Respect” dressed as Aretha Franklin .

    His partner BFD has been known to brandish his icepick when his man is laughed at . So most just snicker quietly at the portly old coot .

  • TbagsRstupid

    you are tho mean to EVERYONE

    thop it

    pweathe

  • Michelle

    Um, I don’t think most GOP/TP’ers think he’s the anti-Christ, but he certainly isn’t the Messiah you libbies think he is. 

  • Michelle

    Last week, top AFL-CIO lawyer Jonathan D. Newman attempted to file an amicus brief in federal court after local union officials in Buffalo, N.Y. were charged with several acts of violence.

    The
    Buffalo News reports that members of Operating Engineers Local 17 are
    charged with pouring sand into construction vehicles’ engines, stabbing a
    company executive in the neck, tossing hot coffee at non-union workers
    and threatening to sexually assault the wife of a company
    representative.

  • Anonymous

    Nor is Joseph Smith is what he claimed to be, yet you follow his teachings. Pity.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    still waiting….

  • Farnsworth

    Also, if you think that “anti-Christ” is suitable language for political discourse then you should probably consider shutting your face for a prolonged period of time, preferably in some sort of mental institution

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    oh he can’t actually believe what he says.  that would be very bizarre.  i think he makes these comments to jazz us up.  i don’t react anymore.

  • Michelle

    The One has a history of audience plants.  Just this week:

    Obama Asked During Town Hall, “Would You Please Raise My Taxes?” — Update: Man Who Asked Question An Ex-Google Employee, Has Given $300K To Dems Since 2000…

    Of course, Mediaite didn’t report on that one.

  • Michelle

    Yawn

  • Michelle

    ** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
    ** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
    ** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
    ** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
    ** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
    ** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
    ** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
    ** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
    ** Obama to supporters: “I’m itching for a fight.”

  • Farnsworth

    All politicians do this. Every single one of them.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    that’s what makes him all the more idiotic. he has nothing better to do than make up names for people and leave asinine irrelevant idiotic comments day in and day out. 

  • TruDat

    I read that.  These liberals are a sensitive, tolerant, all-inclusive group aren’t they?  The thug scum will get theirs in the end, and I don’t mean by Barney Frank either.

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    While Republicons kill every abortion doctor they can find!!

  • Anonymous

    I find this very disturbing that someone would shout “four more years”!

  • Michelle

    They are in a trace from the kool-aid.

  • DD

    The only ones calling corporations evil..is you people…thanks goodness I have a union..

  • VV

    Takes one to know one ….

  • TruDat

    Well, the death of one abortionist (luv how you call them doctor) saves the lives of thousands of innocent children.

  • Michelle

    Great comeback.  Too bad it’s a total lie. 

  • Farnsworth

    People who refer to kool-aid in regards to anything except kool-aid itself should be permanently banned from the internet for irredeemable lameness

  • Farnsworth

    “Yawn” says Michelle because that’s what Michelle says

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    So you support the killing of abortion doctors??

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    Lol! Sure it is!!

  • Anonymous

    Good reaction to the heckler, Pres. Obama.  Now about that terrible and wasteful jobs plan that’s more of the same failed policies….  

  • Michelle

    So every abortion doctor in America has been killed? 

  • TruDat

    There’s no such thing.  Regarding abortionists, I wouldn’t harm one but I guess it’s a risk they’re willing to take to make a buck.

  • Michelle

    I already have quite a few liberal stalkers, but I’m will to make an exception for you since it appears very important to you that I notice you.  Welcome aboard the stalker train!! Woot Woot!

  • TruDat

    If only the libs could find a way to tax aborted fetuses they could stay on the taxpayer dole while hanging out in gay bars all day long.

  • Anonymous

    Well this calls for a celebration.

    *drink*

  • Glutton

    You really gotta wonder what inspires people to be hecklers.  Do they not understand that the person they’re going up against has a microphone?  99% of the time I see a heckler, they end up getting completely owned by the person they’re heckling. 

  • Farnsworth

    Given that you appear about 25 times in every thread spouting unmitigated garbage on every subject you know nothing about I think it’s inevitable that our paths are going to occasionally cross. Calling me a stalker is just another version of “yawn”. It’s what exceptionally dim people do when they can’t argue their way out of a wet paper bag. And using the word “stalker” to describe this is wishful thinking at best and also very creepy to me because you’re quite repugnant

  • TruDat

    Not to mention they’re heckling the President of the U.S.!

  • Glutton

    True, that never turns out well.  Reagan, Clinton, and Bush all put down hecklers quite easily.  It’s even worse at comedy shows because the comedians usually have stuff ready for hecklers.

  • joe

    praise jesus—
    feed the poor-heal the sick—share the wealth—

    if asked for a mile -give 2…
    unless of course—THE CHRISTIANS ARE THE ANTICHRISTIANS????????
    DUH DUH DUH DUHHHHHHH..OMG..
    praise jesus~
    give until it hurts—unless you love satan—then kil kill kill–hate hate hate=======
    amen~

  • Anonymous

    Check out Mr. False Dichotomy over here.

  • Anonymous

    I’m just thankful that this president has only to worry about friendly heckling being directed towards him as prescribed by the US Constitution…and not live grenades like his predecessor.

  • Upton

    The heckler had to have been one of Andrew Breitbart’s thugs as this is their style.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    example?

  • joe

    i thought this is what the religous right wanted?
    jesus will not return until the antichrist is in power…what’s up?
    you just cannot satisfy some people..

    every single legislative decision obama has offered–WAS A REPUBLICAN IDEA—OBAMA IS THE MOST CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT WE HAVE EVER HAD..
    TAX CUTS FOR MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT-CONSERVATIVE IDEA-OBAMA
    MANDATE INSURANCE-CONSERVATIVE IDEA–OBAMA
    CAP AND TRADE-CONSERVATIVE IDEA-OBAMA

    HE HAS DONE NO LIBERAL IDEAS AT ALL–NO GOVERNMENT OPTION IN HEALTH CARE-NO REAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS AT ALL–NONE..
    WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT???

    you have a president that has given you everything you want—you have your anti-christ–
    what more do you want–really!!!
    geesh…
    praise the lord~

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

    Oh, c’m,on — every one knows the Anti-Christ is a right winger. 

  • Glutton

    I doubt if this heckler was planted by the Republicans.  Planting hecklers at your opponent’s speech is a HORRIBLE strategy.  If anything he was planted by the Democrats.   Most likely, he was just some nut who thought it would be a good idea to heckle the president.

  • Anonymous

    Coming from a Liberal that I would guess yells “racist” for every argument?

  • Anonymous

    What do you expect from someone who pays $250 to be in the same room with “O?” I am sure none of the $10,000 guys would be so honest.

  • Michelle

    yawn

  • Anonymous

    That’s not a stutter, he just like to say ” I ” as many times as he can.

  • Farnsworth

    “that I would guess” – ’nuff said dingbat

  • Anonymous

    Westboro Baptist Church is that you?

  • Anonymous

    I’m more interested in Barry talking about the “intercontinental railroad” that Lincoln built in the 1860s.

    Barry, does that “intercontinental railroad” go to Europe, Africa, Asia, Antarctica, South America , or Australia?

    And just how did they lay those tracks over the ocean?

  • Anonymous

    Folks, I don’t care which side you are on, you do NOT have a right to interrupt or shout down someone who was invited to speak at an event. Do your protesting outside of the event!

  • Anonymous

    seiu member i believe!

  • Anonymous

    You mean the same Lincoln that founded the Republican party? That Lincoln? No worries, as long as PBS is writing the transcript they will remove all ignorant statements that he makes. After all, he is the most intelligent president EVER!!!!! LOL

    The funnier part is his Liberal audience thought there really was an intercontinental railroad.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ECYBIXNKAG5E46BC3GCJQPA7CQ well_its_no_cannibal_holocaust

    Obviously a teabagger who believes in fantasies like the Antichrist and tax cuts stimulate job growth. They are funny little humans.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. We all know that pumping billions of dollars into massive corporations and special interests is how you do that.

  • Anonymous

    Well…gee wiz. What an amazing comeback. The depth of your replies is outstanding.

  • Anonymous

    If there’s one thing these people hate more than Obama, it’s unions. 

    Oh, and tax increases on Kim Kardasian….so that’s two things they hate more than Obama!

  • Texan

    Suck on this, patsy. ;)

    MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — President Barack Obama’s chief political adviser
    on Tuesday conceded that a dark cloud looms over the American economy
    and Obama’s political future, describing the president’s road to a
    second term in the White House as “a Titanic struggle.”

  • Anonymous

    It wasn’t a fund raiser, it was a town hall to meet constinuents.  Ryan doesn’t need fundraisers; his campaign is run on the ground up dreams of Maerica’s poor and middle class. 

  • Anonymous

    You’ve been delaring Obama=Hitler since the first Tea Party rally.  Or, did you forget?

    Remember, people getting health insurance is socialism?

  • Anonymous

    Not only that, but he’s the first to man the ramparts when someone says something about Palin or Beck or some Tea bagger.

  • Anonymous

    Nah, they lose old white voters everyday and chase away the young and Latinos.  By 2016, they will be lucky to win Texas

  • Michelle

    Would the libbie who “liked” this comment care to provide the proof, since Leedog is hiding under his desk?

  • Anonymous

    Probably the House. 

  • Anonymous

    Not until after he explains why jesus actually wanted the poor to die.  That will cause thunderous applause.

    I think we all know, the next GOP star is the NYPD officer who maced those hippies. 

  • Anonymous

    Drink

    Good LT tries to set the terms for a debate

  • Anonymous

    Why?  Was he with a little boy?

  • Anonymous

    Salazar, Bill clinton’s on the phone.  he wants to know if you still call him a murderer and commie who is secret Russian who rapes women in his spare time? 

    I mean, since you seem so fascinated with who said what first. 

  • Anonymous

    Leave pablo alone.  he had a head injury

  • Anonymous

    she says, as she stalks the Real Royal Emperor

  • http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

    If it wasn’t a “fundraiser” then why did they charge money to attend? Where did those $10,000 payments go?  Who’s pocket did it all end up in?   Who charges money to attend a “town hall” and is that legal?

    Make no mistake when you charge “ten grand” for a ticket, it’s a fundraiser.

    “TMP”   

  • Anonymous

    I guess they don’t screen as well as the Bush people did.

  • Anonymous

    There is ALWAYS a reason to call you with the name you chose.

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    What does that have to do with Obama being called the “Antichrist??”

  • caconservative

    People getting Obamacare at the “expense of others” is socialism…did you forget?

  • Anonymous

    SCORE!!!!!!!!!

    Sky, he would let you see the golden tablets, but uh, the, uh, the uh, angels ,yeah, the angles flew away with them!

    Still, the man did enrich himself beyond his wildest dreams, wrote a pretty cool book, and persevered despite the massively shabby treatment he from the Christians who surrounded him.

    I remember in the 90′s, you could still hear Christian talk shows which called Mormonism a cult.  Now, the next nominee of the Republican party is a mormon and the hero to half the people on this board and most gold traders is one.  They have come a lonnngggg way

  • Anonymous

    How could I forget something that is just not true

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    To Michelle… maybe she has an explanation for the violence:

    The majority of anti-abortion violence has been committed in the United States.
    Murders

    In the U.S., violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[8][9]
    March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Gunn’s murder and was sentenced to life in prison.July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003.December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.[10] His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Slepian’s murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
    May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas.[11]

    Attempted murder, assault, and kidnapping

    According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[12] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[8][13][14]
    August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[15]January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured, and lost an eye, in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.

    Arson, bombing, and property crime

    According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid (“stink bombs”).[12] The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993.[16] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[17] Incidents have included:
    December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians’ offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings “a gift to Jesus on his birthday.”[18][19][20]May 21, 1998: Three people were injured when acid was poured at the entrances of five abortion clinics in Miami, Florida.[21]October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[22]May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire resulted in several thousand dollars’ worth of damage. The case remains unsolved.[23][24][25] This was the second arson at the clinic.[26]September 30, 2000: John Earl, a Catholic priest, drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.[27]June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages.[22]July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[22]December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there.[28]September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan, crashed his car into the Edgerton Women’s Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions; however, Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.[29] Time Magazine listed the incident in a “Top 10 Inept Terrorist Plots” list.[30]April 25, 2007: A package left at a women’s health clinic in Austin, Texas, contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.[31]December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd’s clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.[32][33]

    Anthrax threats

    The first hoax letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting; since then, there have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the “anthrax” in these cases was real.[13][34]
    November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. On December 3, 2003, Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MPPK2CTPRQYEYSXVOFVUJRX3SQ ken

    Let’s get this straight. Obama says the largest corporations are showing record profits. Since we need money and they’re in a position to help out with no pain to them, and they get tax breaks from us, it’s time for them to pay their fair share. You translate that into corporations are evil and must be punished. And you have the nerve to diagnose someone else as insane. Oh sweet irony

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MPPK2CTPRQYEYSXVOFVUJRX3SQ ken

    Without caricatures, they might have to think. No, that won’t work. Anyone who disagrees is clearly  insane or stupid. How could it be otherwise ? I think I’ll get another dose of smug satisfaction from Rush right now. ta ta

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MPPK2CTPRQYEYSXVOFVUJRX3SQ ken

    The menu’s OK, they don’t like the waiter

  • Anonymous

    I know how much Mediaite loves “fact-checking” politicians.  So how about fact-checking Obama’s insistence that his health care would bring down health insurance rates with the reality:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/28/business/health-insurance-costs-rise-sharply-this-year-study-shows.html

    Oh, whoops, I forgot….Mediaite only runs “fact check” articles about Republicans.

  • Al Gore

    But look how many stupid people started shouting 4 more years.  

  • Al Gore

    I think it was what they call an Obama-Jam.  I saw something about it on the local Orange County PBS channel, and it was at the House of Blues in LA or Hollywood.  

  • TruDat

    Well, since you set me up . . . the Obama presidency IS a comedy show.

  • Anonymous

    I meant the Ryan thing was not a fundraiser. It was a constituent town hall and he just wanted to make sure he did not get treated like a Democrat circa 2009.

    besides, Ryan doesn’t believe in democracy, so allowing only “the producers” speak to Ayn Rand loving self made sense. If the rabble wants to talk to Paul Ryan, then then can pay a cover charge

  • Al Gore

    No, Obama’s Agenda is Socialism.  Health care insurance does not belong with the Government.  The liberal side of the Government wants it to spend.  Just like they spent all our paid in Social Security money.  After all, it’s 10% of all the money spent in our country.  Obama and Michelle can use that cash for more Vacations, diamond bracelets, ugly clothes and $500 tennis shoes.

  • Anonymous

    If it’s so much spending, then why does the CBO claim it will shrink the deficit

  • Blue123

    This is probably the person that was shouting at the Prez in L.A.  Stone crazed fool.

  • Blue123

    Snappy one liner #4

  • Michelle

    Consider yourself checked. 

  • Bobby

    Quick…throw a net over this one.  Could be dangerous if Depends are overloaded.

  • Anonymous

    He said Obama is the anti Christ, then he booed a gay soldier, then he said “let him die”  and  he applauded the death penalty.   It was all this one nutty guy…..honest.

  • Colonel Lingus

    Really, a person calling himself a christian behaves like this in public in 2011, no wonder we cannot advance as a people and a nation. default6409 {“method”:”validate”,”params”:[],”id”:1,”jsonrpc”:”2.0″}

  • http://twitter.com/DrunkReport DrunkReport.com

    consistency conshminstenshhhmmmyyyy

  • Anonymous

    OMG……I’d believe he was the anti Christ after all that except he said Jesus was Lord, and I don’t think the anti Christ could say that without his tongue bursting into flames.

  • Anonymous

             why people think it is O.K. for corporations to receive wlfare ie subsidies, but it is not o.k. for hungry peopl  to eat.  Farmers who don’t grow food should get another job not be paid to as to dnot work.  thats what everyone else has to do.  America is in a moral decline.  sex, drugs , and greed are destroying  America.  not necessarily in that order. the golden calf has become the raging bull.

  • Blue123

     Actually…he is amusing at times with all that
    drink crap.  He got old 12Voltman plastered yesterday.

  • Blue123

    Yes…it seems everyone has come a long way except the brain damaged left wingers.

  • Anonymous

    Joe, where’s the Republican’s jobs bill?  They keep saying they want to see more jobs, but they have yet to prove it by presenting a jobs bill of their own.  Sorry I woke you from your dream, you can now go back and return to that dream you were having. 

  • Bobby

    HA!  Would say “A-Men” to that, but I would be called a religious rightwing tea bagger!  I’ll just say..DAMN GOOD POST!!

  • Blue123

    He was in L.A.  California…he thought he was on Holy Ground of Libroturds.  Some body let a traveler in. 

  • Anonymous

    lol

  • Bobby

    Ummm…Not bad…we could start with Lincoln….and Prez. Kennedy.

  • Bobby

    His nickname is not Harriet Hot Breath for nothing.

  • Blue123

    Hope you have closed up your “Biz On The Side”…you might be next…who knows.  Best thing to do is join a union.  They will protect you for a “small fee.”

  • Anonymous

    I know. It just amazes me how the “low information voter” just vote against their own interests whether they like Obama or not.

  • Anonymous

    How can live without government?

  • Anonymous

    How many gaffes does this guy get a pass on? He’s probably made twice as many Bush ever did, and the Dems were always calling him stupid.

  • Anonymous

    How many gaffes does this guy get a pass on? He’s probably made twice as many Bush ever did, and the Dems were always calling him stupid.

  • Bobby

    Sheila Jackson Lee?  Isn’t that the crazed Lib Dem. that lost her job?  Voted out…as well she should have been?  Love it.

  • Blue123

    Don’t get your liberal nose caught in the door.

  • Anonymous

    Yes it could!  At the worse it could be Palin, slightly better, but still much worse, it could be anyone of the Republican current candidates who all suck up to the Tea Party.  Since the Tea Party is slowly dying, i t will be interesting to see them flip again later in the campaign. 

  • Walt

    Hey, L_Salazar why don’t you put up your reputation as a free thinker rather than an imprisoned puppet who repeats talking points given to you by your puppet masters where your mouth is… that comes anywhere close to the crap your right wing politicians, your right wing radio and TV talking heads have spewed out of their mouths in public about this president?

    No one can do hypocrisy like you right wingers.

  • http://twitter.com/gadfly666 gadfly666

    This heckler must an intellectual, a true patriot from the Conservative/Republican/Tea-Bagger circles.

    The Right has been overrun by uncivil buffoons and illiterate oafs.

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    The Democrats will get back to JOBS JOBS JOBS once they return from, um, another vacation.

    CHANGE! HOPE!

  • Anonymous

    Behold! A society without evil government:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia

    Let’s be more like them, eh plutos?

  • http://twitter.com/Good_Lt Good Lt.

    *DRINK

    -timb116 has nothing to add.

  • Anonymous

    pot meet kettle.

  • Jason

    Huh?

    First of all, dipshit, we could live without Corporations or Government, but it’s not the optimum situation, unless you’re a nutcase.

    The far right would rather let corporations freely work without hinderance from the government, and let the citizens do the regulating with their feet. It makes sense until the Corporations just decide to monopolize and force people to buy their product.. that’s where anti-trust laws come in, which the government does a piss-poor job of regulating, by the way.

    The far left, if given the opportunity, would destroy all big business and put it into the hands of the government, therefor monopolizing the entire economy and creating their idiotic utopia, where everyone is forced to work for and do all their business within a government structure, where nobody gets fired, and nothing gets accomplished because there’s no incentive to work hard, and no punishment for being a worthless sack of shit. It’s a fools paradise, unless you’re a fringe leftwing idiot with no sense of how human beings operate.

    Both ideas suck, but if I had to pick, i’d go with the first scenario.

  • Jason

    Can you explain to us how voting for Obama would be in our best interest? Seriously, I need a laugh, lay it on us, champ.

  • Jason

    Nobody cares if you fucking idiots tax that dumb slut. Stop trying to tax people who own businesses and employ people, you fucking sheep.

  • Anonymous

    Can you tell us which “dumb sluts” we can tax? in case you were unaware, the govt is short of money!

    For instance, I consider David Koch to be a rather…well…dim. I mean, sure he graduated from MIT to get his $300 Million inheritance and all (supermen, Jason, are born, not made on merit), but he’s a libertarian and most libertarians are either dumb. Is it okay, according to “the Jason standard,” if we tax him?

    How will you decide, Jason, who is a dumb slut and deserves taxation and who is an “employer of people”? Will the misogyny of your comment be the guiding principle on these decisions or was that just a “one off” with regard to Kim K?

    Will the businesses who just had another quarter of record profits start hiring when they know Jason is on the job? Lord hopes so.

    I got to say, Jason, this seems like a big job and you seem rather too angry to perform it.

  • expatpatriot

    Every time one of these christer dickweeds pops off incoherently like this, a few thousand more votes flow into Obama’s pocket.

    Keep it up, fools!

  • expatpatriot

    So how about staying on topic, just for the heck of it?

  • expatpatriot

    And?

  • expatpatriot

    Transcontinental. I think a special session of the House needs to be called immediately to fast-track impeachment.

    I mean, Obama said “inter” rather than “trans.” By any sane measure this makes him unfit for office.

  • expatpatriot

    Can you count on your fingers? Bush gaffes fill libraries and are generally of the paragraphs of gibberish vs Obama’s swap-one-prefix-for-another.

    I know you’d like things to be different, but Bush, by any measure whatsoever, was the most verbally gaffe-prone president in history.

  • expatpatriot

    It was a very, very, very different party that Lincoln was a part of.

    And incidentally, you-who-laughs-at-inter, Lincoln didn’t found the Republican Party, he joined it and then had a significant impact on its development up to his death. Which makes *you* the ignorant sot.

    “The funnier part is the wingnut audience that doesn’t even know the basic facts about its heroes.”

  • expatpatriot

    Love that part in the Constitution about “Friendly Heckling.” That’s the XXXXth Amendment, if I recall correctly.

    And dang, someone missed Bush with a grenade? I could have sworn it was a shoe.

  • expatpatriot

    Four More Years!

  • expatpatriot

    Or at least banned from drinking Kool-Aid.

  • expatpatriot

    I guess in the depths of your drab, wretched life, the notion that you have “liberal stalkers” gives you some sort of a tingle.

    Well since it both amuses me and reinforces my sense of superiority, I’m happy to add a snarky remark to the thread when I see you’ve posted some minor idiocy or the other.

    Does that promote me to the Stalker Corps?

  • David Edwards2754

    That was hillarious!

  • Anonymous

    “Ich Bin Ein Republicultist!”

  • Porphyry

    Of course the heckler was unarmed; our SS controls security at such events.

    Now if we could get the mediacs to quit using the tautological “Armed gunman…”

  • Anonymous

    It wasn’t a heckler that called Obama the antichrist. It was a progbot that was mindlessly repeating what it heard on Larry O’s show last night.

  • Michael Holland

    Nice try, but for a show of real hatred yelling doesn’t compare with shoe throwing.

  • NDanielson

    Wir rufen Sie nicht Republikaner, Republicultist, aber wir haben die Liberalen Dummies nennen. Der Präsident, Obama, so nennen wir eine sozialistische Clown!

  • NDanielson

    Every single one of them? Not every single politician has 100% plants in the audience. Just one. One of them.

  • Anonymous

    Did you graduate high school with that vast wealth of knowledge?

  • Anonymous

    Hey Champ. You like plutocracies?

  • Anonymous

    Hey numbnuts. Learn something instead of cursing at everyone:  http://www.nationofchange.org/truth-about-class-war-america-1317138798

  • Anonymous

    You’re talking to a typical angry teabagger who voted all the lobbiests in thinking it was doing him a favor. Then they have to learn the hard way but they will never admit it.

  • Blue123

    Because the CBO is as full of crap as you.

  • Bobby

     ” ..and talk off our bedroom slippers and put on your marching boots.”  Mercy…such words are bound to stir the hearts of all liberturds.

  • Blue123

    It’s sort of like them yelling, “Beat me….whip me…more, more, more!”

  • BOBBY

    KOOL AID!

    BANNED!

    LAMENESS  =  Libroterds.

    LOTS OF *DRINKS*

  • Blue123

    4  MORE YEARS?

    DROWNED IN KOOL AIDE!

    GOOD!!

    *DRINK UP*

  • Bobby

    Ummm…wasn’t that a Democrat that killed Lincoln.  Just asking?

  • Blue123

    Now if we are gonna start with “gaffes”…Obummer has made man…but his Sock Puppet Bidden invented the word.

  • Anonymous

    Riiiggghhhtt. Anything which does not comport with your narrow ideology must be wrong

  • Anonymous

    guess you don’t know as much as you think you do

  • expatpatriot

    Booth was a “Copperhead:” a pro-slavery, pro-secession resident of the North. Today wingnuts would call him an “independent” (at least those who didn’t call him a hero).

  • expatpatriot

    Type much?

  • expatpatriot

    The Michelle has a history of mouthing irrelevant nonsene. Just above.

  • expatpatriot

    Careful — I can see what the birthers are going to obsess over next: Obama Is An Evil Robot.

    And when that happens, it’ll be your fault.

  • expatpatriot

    TruDat is historically the moronic one.

  • expatpatriot

    Impressive: cogent, telling, to the point, insightful.

    Keep up the good work.

  • expatpatriot

    This is really unnecessary. We already get that you’re sleepwalking through life.

  • Anonymous

    Says the Pot calling the Kettle black.

  • Anonymous

    timb116,
    Me thinks thou doth lie to much.
    “As the economy recovers and the policies adopted to counteract the
    recession and the financial turmoil phase out, budget deficits will
    probably decline markedly in the next few years. But over the long term,
    the budget outlook is daunting. The retirement of the baby-boom
    generation portends a significant and sustained increase in the share of
    the population receiving benefits from Social Security, Medicare, and
    Medicaid. Moreover, per capita spending for health care is likely to
    continue rising faster than spending per person on other goods and
    services for many years (although the magnitude of that gap is very
    uncertain). Without significant changes in government policy, those
    factors will boost federal outlays sharply relative to GDP in coming
    decades under any plausible assumptions about future trends in the
    economy, demographics, and health care costs.”- CBO: The Long Term Budget Outlook, June 2010.
    “In fact, CBO’s projections understate the severity of the long-term
    budget problem because they do not incorporate the significant negative
    effects that accumulating substantial amounts of additional federal debt
    would have on the economy:

    Large budget deficits would reduce national saving, leading to
    higher interest rates, more borrowing from abroad, and less domestic
    investment–which in turn would lower income growth in the United
    States. Growing debt would also reduce lawmakers’ ability to respond to economic downturns and other challenges.Over time, higher debt would increase the probability of a fiscal
    crisis in which investors would lose confidence in the government’s
    ability to manage its budget, and the government would be forced to pay
    much more to borrow money.”- Same source.Care to offer counter proof, Mr. I am to Good to use Google?

  • Anonymous

    Obama Zaps Anti-Christ Heckler at Fundraiser!  Tooned!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEeUrl17gds

  • expatpatriot

    Biden’s never had his hands on the reins. In the eyes of history, who cares whether he has foot-and-mouth disease?

  • expatpatriot

    I think we’d both agree that anybody throwing grenades at anybody is a Bad Thing.

    I had forgotten the deranged Georgian. So Bush gets badges for both shoes AND grenades.

  • expatpatriot

    I think we’d both agree that anybody throwing grenades at anybody is a Bad Thing.

    I had forgotten the deranged Georgian. So Bush gets badges for both shoes AND grenades.

  • Anonymous

    Ok, champ. One example. You and your neo-con and teaparties buddies want to basically do away with the EPA.  However, up the street from your house a chemical plant has had deadly chemicals leaking into the ground water because of lack of regulation. You and your kind would be the first ones screaming that the government do something. That champ is called a hypocrit.

  • Anonymous

    But one true patriot learned a valuable lesson. Yelling at your senator/congress person doesn’t come with a complimentary Secret Service beat down.

  • Anonymous

    “Corporations are people my friend”

  • offended

    Actually, the CBO is the one place where ideologies are set aside. They’re bureaucrats, numbers guys. I’ve worked in the bureaucracy before. When the CBO says something you can bet they’ve done their homework. These are highly educated economists and forecasters who routinely get it right, much to the consternation of whoever is in power sometimes when their forecasts don’t adhere to the current administration’s agenda. Calling the CBO a bunch of liars is nonsense. I assure you, none of us who ever worked on the inside thought there was a political agenda in the CBO, especially knowing how it is they work. The bureaucrats are just numbers people, they’re career people. The political appointees are the hacks. most of us knew whomever the latest hack was who had been appointed, he would be replaced when the next administration came in. In essence, the truth would win out despite the fluctuating tides of politics, and political will.  BTW can anybody point to anything that O has done which could be described as socialism? Anybody? Dear god, he’s like Clinton, another professed lefty who came in and showed that he was actually center-right. His healthcare bill is a joke. It simply ensures that the coffers of the insurance pockets will be lined. With no public option, there isn’t a competitor. I just don’t know how the right can claim this is socialism. When I worked on the Long-Term Care issue as part of a policy proposal, the one thing we kept coming back to was that in order to drive down the costs (people don’t buy LTC until they’re old) was to get everybody to participate, widen the risk pool so that costs would necessarily come down. We contemplated several avenues, but the one thing we kept coming back to was that in order to drive down Medicare costs we needed to convince people to buy the LTC insurance when they were young and healthy, again widening the risk pool, fattening up the reserves and lowering the costs for everybody. I assure you, we weren’t socialists, or looking at this from anything other than a pragmatic angle, something I was tasked by my senator to do. Obama’s plan will lower the costs for everybody, lower government expenditures on medicare, and as an additional bonus it will make corporations much richer. I’m not for his plan, but I do see the strengths in it. If he was better at message control and soundbites, and he wasn’t surrounded by a hostile opposition, most people would have supported it. I am appalled that it lacks the one thing we all truly felt was necessary, the public option. It would have kept the market more competitive, and no, it isn’t exactly socialism. It’s actually a big fat gimme to the insurance companies, the only thing he asked in return was that they do not discriminate against people with prior health conditions. This is reasonable. It does drive government costs in relation to medicare and medicaid, again not socialism, but pragmatism. It isn’t a perfect bill. Few bills are. That is how politics works. Please don’t call the CBO liars. It really offends someone like me who spent many years, and much money getting a good education and endeavoring to do the right the thing with my life – give back, and work for a fairer, more responsive, and more democratic government. I assure you that you will be hard-pressed to find any non-hack politician who would describe the CBO as liars. It is the one place we can a

  • offended

     To summarize, getting everybody to obtain insurance will decrease the ballooning cost for social programs like Medicare and Medicaid. I say this because I’ve studied the matter, sat in on meeting with entrepreneurs seeking to make a buck by gaining a foothold into the insurance industry with their new business models. It should drive down costs, and future budget deficits by doing what most of desired – widen the risk pool. This fit in perfectly with the business models we were presented with. I can understand how people may be confused. This is a highly technical issues. One has to understand how insurance companies work – risk exposure, reserves, etc. to understand how getting healthy people to purchase insurance will drive down the government burden for picking up the tab when people don’t have insurance and end up in emergency rooms. Again, I am no ardent supporter, but I can tell you that nothing as large as his healthcare overhaul was done haphazardly or done without without the participation of the people were attempting to regulate. No major policy as this is done without what we call “stakeholder analysis”. In other words, understanding the impact on all players involved, bringing them into the debate, and hearing what their thoughts are. This is practical. In law school we are taught, not explicitly, but taught nonetheless how to understand that you can devise whatever policy you want but unless you contemplate three things: public policy, equity, and process-based arguments, you are in the dark. Rarely are there policies designed that don’t deal with the process-based argument: can this be done, what are the costs. The public policy prong addresses the desirability and long-term implications of enacting a policy. Finally, there is equity. Is this fair, does it assign economic blame adequately, etc. Is is it fair to all the players. No one, save a few nuts, want to see business damaged for damage sake alone. How and where we allocate economic responsibility is a very difficult question. Growth must be balanced against equity. A fair and better government is what we should all desire, left or right. We are not on the brink of socialism. We are in a mixed economy. How we mix it up is the true question. Lobbing insults and calling people names, especially without evidence is simply deplorable. We should seek to elevate the debate. This is the only reason I occasionally comment on these boards. I can only hope to appeal to a few. So, go ahead, throw me an insult. I’m a big boy. I can take it. I only post because I feel I have to do something to mitigate the disgusting levels our debate has devolved into. Good luck with the hate. I’m sure Jesus would approve.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JUT2TATEV3OHGQ7HZRYN472XVM Felix

    “Attendance at the event reportedly cost between $250 and $10,000 which afforded party-goers a chance to “rub elbows” with the Commander-in-Chief…”

    Hmmmm, I’m guessing this guy is out of $250 on this gig.

  • Anonymous

    timb116,
    Hey Master Grammarian, “either” requires an or.

  • Anonymous

    Timb116,
    News Flash the Founding Fathers did not believe in Democracy either, thus why they gave is a Republic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Nicholson/100001597219029 John Nicholson

    Before you put stupid shit like that in quotations make sure the individual you are trying to quote actually said that. You are only showing the stupidity you so obviously have.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Nicholson/100001597219029 John Nicholson

    Not quite the same thing, but good job with the scare tactic.

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