HEADLINE: Richard Maddcow and MSNBC, declare facts to be obsolete and that liberals are above such a silly thing as fact checking.
 

I don’t know of anything I could care less about than two hyper liberal partisan hacks agreeing with each other over an argument of semantics that they had with a liberal organization that dared disagree with them.  Isn’t there a Kieth Olbermann tweet you could be writing about?:)

This is the kind of crap msnbc lives for. And they wonder why they have no viewers. 

Yet you took the time to comment.

Politifact is clearly desperately attempting to burnish their “both sides do it” credentials by trolling for anything to criticize on the left.

After years of merely having to re-print the talking points from the Republican Fox Propaganda Machine as grist for the mill they must be taking some heavy billionaire heat (Koch Brothers cough cough) to lay off.
 

In this case Maddow is right.  Politifact is awful.  

What a bunch of hooey.  didn’t Larry just recently tell his viewers they can’t believe the lies fron Rachel?

Why does Zuckerburg always wear such low-cut shirts?

What a freak.

Obviously, you cannot read. I won’t bother to recite what Tommy already put in writing above because it apparently went way over your head. I’ll just note that for Republicans, it’s like Reagan said, “Facts are stupid things.”

“I don’t know of anything I could care less about” and yet you still clicked on a link to a story that clearly identified its subject as one being about what you perceive as “two hyper liberal partisan hacks…”. So, it seems that you really do kinda care.

Of course they aren’t doing that, have a little nuance, would it kill ya? 

MSNBC makes a case for what they are saying.

Congratulations for catching up with the rest of us Rachael. Someone has to bring up the rear, don’t they?

Politifact might as well change their motto to ‘Fair and Balanced.’ They no longer have credibility.

maddow consistently in the basement of viewership ratings, but she declare something dead,

liberal=braindead

If you are going to accuse people of being brain dead, it’s probably a good idea to not write like a lobotomy recipient.

Please, I don’t like MSNBC at all, but you sound just as annoying as the ‘FAUX News lies’ crowd. 

lol, awesome response!

 They have a name for people like you “RINO”

TYPICAL…..Distract, disparage, and deceive. What does the above from you have to do with politi-fact not knowing what the word DOLE means??????

You missed the whole point……..

Argument of semantics…………REALLY!!?? Obviously you and politifact don’t understand the meaning of the word dole. Hint…..welfare:)

Obviously you didn’t understand the gist of the video.

If I were Rachel, I’d continue to step on Politifacts testicles whenever the opportunity arises.

What did “the dole” about the British Empire have to do with what larry said?  Nothing!  Distract, disparage, deflect and turn it into something it wasn’t.  

Larry lied and Rachel went into snark mode and figured her slight of hand would fool you.  It did.   

There is absolutely no proof about what they are now “claiming” – none.  

So media matters is being questioned – suddenly you are all in distract, deflect mode.

Grow up.  

No we didn’t.  You want to deflect from media matters so Larry made up some goofus story about what some lawmaker said in 1944.  Politifact pointed out that nobody said anything about the GI bill being referred to as welfare.  Larry claims, he was there and surely heard someone say that – in some reference, but he didn’t know exactly who or what.  The American Legion had never heard of either Larry or the charge that the GI bill was referred to as welfare (or dole as the Brits call it).

A bigger pile of bull crap would be hard to find to give Rachel a wedgie and Larry a coronary.  Seriously, what the hell – 1944 and they are sure (although the records indicate otherwise) that someone once said “dole”.  WHO GIVES A SHIT!  

CATCH UP!!!!!!
Larry said that the GI was disparaged as “welfare” by some. Righties said this was not true.

A memo from Melissa Ryerson, a producer of O’Donnell’s program, says some lawmakers and critics also fretted over the GI Bill’s “broad” education provisions. The memo also suggests that objections mentioning “relief” or “the dole” were equivalent to modern-day references to welfare. “If Mr. O’Donnell had used the word ‘relief’ instead of ‘welfare’” in the advertisement, the memo says, “no one would have understood what he meant.” 

The dole is equal to welfare…….get it…………….?

That’s just not true: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/02/17/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-february-16-2012/120434/

I have to agree with Rachel Maddow. The dole does refer to public assistance or welfare. Politifact should’ve looked up the meaning of the dole before saying O’Donnell’s statement was “mostly false”. I would say that it is “mostly true” but they didn’t actually use the phrase “welfare”.

… other than the fact that she’s the top-rated show on msnbc & is never in near the basement in viewership ratings, & has the absolute top-rated show of any that does not depend on human fuppets manipulated by Roger Ailes, & is winning top awards for televised journalism that other journalists have never been able to win at anything near her young age. Other than all that.

Hey – a shout-out from LOD to Tommy Christopher – the only actual journalist on Mediaite! Gundonya, mite.

Why are there 18 anonymous guests liking this comment with only one named liker?

This one too. 10 of the 11 likes are from anonymous guests. Is some rightie campaign going on here to move up topics, like digg patriots was document as doing?

Ziiiiing….hahaha.

This is the first top-level post here for which a majority of the likes are not from anonymous guests.

I agree. Rachel has done a good job over the last month or two or exposing the total inconsistency with which politifact has been doing their job.

I remain convinced that she was in the wrong when the feud started. Rachel said that Gov. Walker had reduced taxes by the same amount as the budget shortfall and implied in the way she often does that they were the same. It is/was how Rachel reported at times, and it was clear. She lied about it later saying she had never meant that. This was about the only time I’ve seen her be dishonest (something Hannity, Beck, FOX News, etc. does almost daily, btw…). Politifact called her out on it. Since then, though, it has been politifact that has been in the wrong — repeatedly.

Prolly same reason Ikt ‘s comment has 8 guest” likes” . You don’t need a Discus  account to “like” a comment.
You haven’t joined the cadre of “Like Truthers ” , have you ?

He can read, he just chooses not to. Which is worse because it reveals his true character.

You haven’t joined the cadre of “Like Truthers ” , have you ?

You have joined the cadre of “Like Truthers” , haven’t you ?

Anyone who is a wordsmith would know that the dole and welfare mean the same.  That wasn’t the issue.  The issue was Larry lying about the GI Bill.  Perhaps Larry’s Mother heard someone refer to it as welfare – but the majority never did.  

Larry fabricated and now he had to call Rachel in to deflect.  I’m sure someone might have referred to it as such, but seriously 1944?  Records indicate that it was not referred to as welfare.  The American Legion said it wasn’t – I somehow think that they might have better records on it than Larry (or Rachel).  

I guess you’re saying “she is the best loser of the losers on msnbc.” lol

Did this profound story mean anything to you?  Do you seriously care what someone/anyone said about the G.I. Bill in 1944?  Does it change how you feel about the G.I. Bill?  Exactly how does this affect your daily life?

The more I think about it – is it any wonder that mediate has to do a story on this, otherwise only Larry and his immediate family would have heard his tirade.

Please, tell me why this merits any print?  Anybody?

I don’t even think he’s a RINO – he’s a democrat.  He had zero problem calling MSNBC it’s proper name – but couldn’t give the same respect to Fox.  

You figure all she’s good for is covering events from before she was born?  lol

Well, it certainly doesn’t carry the weight that “Sharia Law” does in an American’s every day life, but it has to do with credible news sources.  Isn’t media bias the conservative’s talking point, and the basis for most of their victimhood in our society?  It is, but not now, not when a Democrat’s pointing it out…gotit.

Dude, you don’t get it.It was called the dole (welfare) and you guys hate that stuff. It was a government program to HELP people.Just as social security and medicare are. Why do you guys cry about that??? 

Uh, right.  And Sharia law, whether contraceptives should be legal, and asking the President for his birth certificate for the 1000th time should definitely be the focus of debates.  Own it.

stupid post:)

“the dole” is welfare.  Larry’s 30-second ad said critics called it welfare.  Politifact said this was false.  1944 Congressional records have it being criticized as welfare.  Oh, and Sharia law is much older than 1944, and we’re spending time discussing that, even though NOBODY knows what the heck it is.

Who cares?  You do, you’ve posted several times on this thread.  Own it.

Dude.  The ad is all of 30 seconds.  Probably one-tenth the time you’ve spent posting on this thread, just watch it for once.  Sharia law is much older than 1944 and no one knows what the heck it is, but conservative presidential contenders are wasting everyone’s time with it…Congress is passing resolutions to affirm the U.S. motto which no one knew we had. They’re doing it for some delusional connection between Sharia law and U.S. law which only conservatives can make. Pot, meet kettle.

Hey look everybody Tina “liked” her own comment 16 times!!!

I know it feels good to you, but you do know you can go blind when you “like” your own comments too much, plus your arm must get really tired.

What a raving lunatic! Anyone that likes this fast talking,smug,pox blanket sales person, could only be a stupid lib.

Act surprised Larry.

Top rated show on MSNBC…Thats only because the dont play reruns of scooby doo

YES! DESTROY THEM! THEY DO NOT MARCH IN LOCKSTEP W STATE TV!

They even lie about  the weather on FOX. State TV can find a way to spin even the most insane of Obamas policies look wise.

Hey Maddow, rate this mostly false Im guessing?

50 billion dollars to bail out GM, record year 2011, hammered home as a success, GM paid ZERO INCOME TAX. ScmSKing union maggots pocket 7thousand dollar bonus… the partner in crime
GE, billions of shovelled dollars to post an 18 BILLION dollar profit (1 year) ZERO income tax. Thousands of jobs outsourced to CHINA. Someone should tell the jobs czar. wait he might now already since he is the CEO.
in the insult to injury department the 10thousand dollar subsidy on the volt, guess whos buying them? GE. So Tax dollars to make the car tax dollars to buy the car. wash rinse add 10thousand bux for every unit
insert lameass 1%er talking points, stir it up with fair share, add the comment about buffets secretary paying more taxes than two who the largest corporations on earth who have devoured almost 100billion dollars between them with more shoveling in every day.
Since she is a WHR for Obama she will prbably stand up and thank the mighty one for her 40dollars and free condoms.
Yup record year 2011, 2012 looks REAL GOOD TOO, I wonder how many Volts GE can buy in a year, here is the exact number ALL OF THEM.  socan anyone explain this to me? Lets make it multiple choice.
A- BushB- RacistC- CongressD- Osam bin LadenE- TsunamiF- TeabaggerG- Free Volts for OWS to sleep inG-Our country has been taken over by a ruthless marxist dictator wannabe hell bent on crashing our economy and destroying our way of life?
Cmon help it make sense anyone

 Did NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, the AP, NY Times… run these FACTS? – EVER?

The Media “professionals” in this country are a DISGRACE!

I don’t follow. Someone surely has an explanation why Politfact did that?

FOX and MSNBC both twist facts around to the point they totally mislead.  In O’Donnell’s case, it depends on how you interpret PolitiFact’s conclusion.  O’Donnell used the word “welfare,” which is not the same as unemployment benefits.  If i were a GI coming home and receiving unemployment and someone accused me of being on welfare, i would be highly offended.

As far as “most people” being conservative, Maddow herself twists around poll percentages to her liking whenever she feels like it.  If a poll shows 53 or so percent agree with something Maddow likes, she’ll say “most” Americans believe such-and-such.  Really?  53 percent is equal to “most” Americans?”  I don’t think so.

Back to O’Donnell, making an analogy from events 60 years ago invites PolitiFact to check on his stupid commercial.  These analogies are almost always dubious at best and invite all sorts of questions about their validity.

Also, a full conversation on this issue (not the commercial, which is biased and stupid) would reveal that servicemen/women are able to put money aside for college and the government matches it two-for-one in their account.  So those returning vets already have an option open to them where they can have their college tuition/books already two-thirds paid for by the government.  Isn’t that enough?  Or do we have to go on ad nauseam and give more and more and more benefits to the vets?  Then who’s next?  This giving out money and benefits seems to never end under Obama’s administration.  Who’s gonna pay for all this?

Wow..There’s that witty liberal humor..at it’s best..
But if we look at who’s behind this wit….we find ourselves a obese,revolting ,objectionalbe, human trash…better known as JohnJayJones!!!

This is like a war between the “bloods” and the “Crips”. In the conflict between intellectually sloppy ocassionally dishonest “fact checkers” and ALWAYS DISHONEST (almost) MSNBC can’t they both lose? ;)

 There WAS a bit of grumbling about the GI Bill just after WWII.

  It came mostly from a tiny cadre of elitist academics and blue blood ‘entitleds’.

  They felt that the unwashed lower class Blue Collars had no place on college campuses.

  They felt that those to ‘ The Factory Born ‘ should stay in their place.

   The Jack Kerouacs of the world, had a byatch of a time getting their work published for

   just those reasons. The Tweedy/Preppys didn’t want the august halls of cloistered academia, nor the

   hushed cathedrals of publishing, business or banking cluttered up with the uncouth.

Wow,
You’all must see the poetic irony in MSNBC “Officially” rejecting the TRUTH!
lmao!

It’s quite obvious that you’re the one having a hard time coping with the facts.  I wish you could read…

“The lazy and ‘chisely’ types of veterans would get the most benefits, whereas the resourceful, industrious and conscientious veterans would get the least benefits, if any.”An ardent white supremacist, Rankin feared the unemployment provision’s impact on the work habits of the African Americans in his state and region. African Americans would not quickly rejoin the work force, he argued, if they were being paid generous unemployment benefits. Rankin complained further that it would ‘spoil’ them.”“The bane of the British Empire has been the dole system.” He also aired a racist comment, saying: “If every white serviceman in Mississippi… could read this so-called GI Bill, I don’t believe there would be one in 20 who would approve of it…  We have 50,000 Negroes in the service from our state and in, in my opinion, if the bill should pass in its present form, a vast majority of them would remain unemployed for at least another year, and a great many white men would do the same.”

I’ll now step back and allow you to explain to the audience how calling African-Americans inherently lazy isn’t racist. 

People like you are “RINO”-ing your way into political extinction. 

Boom, roasted. 

I would say it’s “mostly true, and racist.” 

No.
Obama controls everything!

Be
afraid. Be very afraid!

Haven’t
you heard?

He is a
secret Muslim, Nazi. Communist bent to destroy America.

It’s a
huge conspiracy. It all started When Obama was born and they place a fake birth
announcement in the Honolulu Newspaper knowing this child would someday be
President of The United States.

I’d like to see Rachel to this: http://youtu.be/VQ6dvKCfDRo

Politifact is getting just what they deserve. I thank GOD that in this country, though you are free to break the laws, not play by the rules, kill and murder people, and facts: There will always be someone to step up of thei own will, maybe a police officer, a judge, a lie detector test, Rachel Maddow, someone to say – You did that, and that was wrong, now you have to pay the consequences.

If Politifact would stop lying, they would stop being called a liar.

Thank you Rachel Maddow.

you go it!

Fox is not a reputable source of news and they diliberately lie to people each and every day. That’s why its called Faux.

MSNBC doesn’t lie on their station. They represent mostly a democratic leaning point of view, but they do not lie and that’s the difference.

For instance:  A headline from FAUX today reads:
“Obama peddles modest American dream on campaign trail”

This insinuates that because the economy is doing bad, that Obama wants to convince people to lower their dreams to be content with a lower standard then the typical American Dream.

Why is this a lie?

The American dream is not something you by, it is the opportunity you have. You have the opportunity to go to college, the opportunity to get a job, the opportunity to create your own busness and the opportunity to be successful regardless of who you are or where you came from or what language you speak. And the opportunity is the greatest that will be extended to you in the world.

This is still true. So why does FAUX make it seem like it is not. Why, because you can’t buy a house you can’t afford? Because it’s not financially sound to have 150,000 in credit card debt? because we all don’t make as much money as Mitt Romney? This is a fals premise and a lie to the American people about what to expect from the American Dream.

A lie that was only delivered from FAUX to breed fear, fear of Obama because he is (falsely) destroying the American Dream, which is a lie. A blatent lie.

FOX and MSNBC both twist facts around to the point they totally mislead.

Not True. You cannot point to one occurence where MSNBC has lied.

 Read it again. He’s quoting those who mock Fox not mocking it himself. He’s saying kneejerk partisan bashing is foolish and useless  coming from either side.

You have not stated a single instance in which MSNBC has lied.  Regarding welfare: any Government assistance is called Welfare. Thus Michelle Bachman and Ron Pauls rants about corporate welfare. Any handout that you did not earn in a salary, whether it be Unemployment Compensation, Food Stamps,  or Student Aid is considered welfare.

Regarding the polls and Rachel quoting. She is quoting the Americans in the poll. Not every single American. She would say, Gallop said this or Realclearpolitics said that. She is not assuming the poll equal all 303 million Americans. That is a stupid conclusion not based in any form of reality.

Therefore since both of your conclusion were incorrect, you cannot then say the MSNBC lies.  You can say that Rachel Maddow’s show leans left, but you cannot say she misstated the facts.  That is something FAUX does and there are examples of that every single day.

This is the most racist thing I’ve seen this year.

Congratulations.

Poor Maddow and O’Donnell- Politifact keeps calling them out on their lies and they just can’t take it.

Hey guys, the fact is you lie.

 Yeah, MSNBC’s official position is “We will inform you when we lie.”

 Hahaha- another lib trying to pretend he is not a lib. Don’t worry, I understand your shame.

Politifact is not ‘dead’ to Maddow, facts are. 

I thought Maddow made a a very good presentation of the facts, you may not like the outcome,  but I think most people who are not blinded with hate would think that dole and welfare are basically the same.

Just for starters

http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=138269

Barack Hussein Obama is imploding America and Mediaite posts this “distraction” garbage.
Where are the  “not a natural born citizen” stories?
Why does the usurper, Obama continue to be coddled and protected by liberal liars.
Let’s talk about that and the economy which he has utterly decimated.

How was Larry lying if dole & welfare mean the same thing?

Not sure how it’s racist.

When your claim to fame is being factual,you had better live up to that claim or your tossed in the FIXED NOISE bin of BULLSQUAT!!!!!!

Really, Maddow clearly shows the difference between competent political analyst with academic backgrounds and those that talk off the top of their heads.  You need to stay with FOX for the foo foo discussions and go to Ms. Maddow for a genuine discussion.  This is why tea baggers hate to go up against her on Meet The Press and other Sunday shows….they are totally intimidated by her intelligence.  I once saw her make mincemeat out of a GOP hack on MTP….it was a beautiful thing to watch.

What are you saying?  What a mess of ideas!

Learn how to construct proper sentences, please, before you try to discuss anything.

Dumb.

Oh, Larry is the man of truth.  Wow, facts are facts, can’t get around it even if you are a little slow.  It takes longer for some people to understand.

People in Michigan are not voting for Mitt Romney because he is a weirdo.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100138018/mitt-romney-suffers-from-the-weirdo-factor/

lolol

Rachel in a got her jock in a wad when it was made clear that conservatives were in fact the majority in the Gallup poll. She has sinced learned she was wrong and has refused to correct herself. That is lying and misstating the facts…… something that happens on her show and MSNBC consistently thoughout the day.
Anyway, how can we trust any thing you say when you lie about the size of your breasts?

Why didn’t the person who wrote that PolitiFact piece already know that “on the dole” is synonymous with welfare?

You betcha! Just like Sarah . Dumb as a stump!

So the dole & welfare are different?

http://zero-drop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Screen-shot-2012-01-06-at-9.12.06-PM.png

Mitt Romney traveling with his dog.

From the comments on this article, I gather that conservatives dislike Maddow but can’t argue against Maddow’s claim that the dole & welfare mean the same thing; therefore, what O’Donnell said was true. Calling O’Donnell a liar on this would be like calling your preacher a liar for quoting Jesus in English instead of Hebrew.

co-worker’s step-aunt earned $19426 last month. she been working on the internet and bought a $360100 home. All she did was get lucky and put into work…..http://alturl.com/sax77

Low IQ alert

They have a name for people like you. “Moron”

I don’t know, maybe they did. I feel that classifying O’Donnell’s statement as “mostly false” is highly very questionable.

 Wrong on all counts.  Your crude remarks are offensive and your lies are annoying. 

Rachel Rocks!

The Gallup poll and politico both said that Republican Canservatives make up less then 27% of the voting public. That means that 73% are not Republican conservatives.

Rachel Maddow was correct. Or did you not look at the Politico Report?

i don’t click on links unless they are reputable or .gov

You, ASK, are a gullible moron. A “usurper”? Do you even know what that means? Obama is a democratically elected American citizen. He has not decimated the economy, it is going as well as could be expected after the crap situation he inherited from his NOT democratically elected predecessor (his first election, anyway). Stop pretending Obama is not the President. He is. Focusing on liars, such as yourself, like Rachel is doing, is a good and necessary thing. Go home and put on your tin foil hat. Idiot.

Please provide an example.

again–Please provide an example.

Please get your prescriptions checked.  Please.

One of these days you wrongwing nut jobs will understand the difference between “lying” and “saying things you don’t agree with or can’t understand”.

“Help it make sense”? Someone needs to help YOU make sense.

Yep!  that’s why she begs Cheney, Huntsman, Gingrich, Santorum etc. to come on her show.

WTF

 Clearly you don’t watch her show. She has as many opposing viewpoints as she can get. But too many of those invited won’t show up—too scared to debate with an intelligent person. 

I declare—she declares—pay attention

hate to repeat myself——-but——WTF

Or you could just…. you know read it and figure out whether its reputable yourself

 Can you write on a level above the 4th grade playground? Please?

really, she’s right.  the Gallup poll said that REPUBLICANS made up (not less than) 27% of the voting public.  about 55% of the voting public identified as CONSERVATIVE

In 2009 she said that Bush (in response to Obama refusing to give an interview with fox) NEVER gave an interview with the New york times while in office.  He gave three.

“An ardent white supremacist”    …. um yeah.  white supremacists tend to be racist.

 It merits print because some of the folks against the GIBill derided it is “the dole” (welfare), yet it became one of the most successful government programs in history, essentially creating the middle class that the right is trying so hard to destroy today. Therefore, pointing out that critics of government programs can be really, badly wrong is useful in any political discussion. Can you understand that?

Useless typing. Go away.

Ladie and Gentlemen, my impression of (CAR)…picture me with fingers stuck in both ears going Na Na NaNaNa !

Misogynist asswipe.

That post alone could be a Disney Movie….like Dumbo

Rachael Maddow, only wishes fact check would go away. In this world she lives in, only she and her cronies would be allowed to spoon feed what they consider news, and truth.

Thus further trying to brainwash another segment of society.

Republican hate Rachel because she is factually correct about 99.9% of the time. I have fact checked many things she has said that were of personnal interest to me and I have yet found her to be incorrect.  Unlike her night time compeittion Hannity who is factually incorrect about 99.9% of the time.

you meant accurate… 

 Then why are people in California voting for Pelosi, Boxer and Maxine Waters?
DOH!!!

Neanderthal Wom-ah walking the dog:
http://tinyurl.com/7v85hj5

  Not Quite, Colbert   !!!

  O’Donnell would like us to believe that Conservatives who note that Welfare ( or the Dole) is a failure that has proven to just increase laziness and feelings of entitlement, are against the GI Bill.
   That, of course, is a bald faced lie. Or, to assuage the tender sensibilities of the Libs that have no trouble calling or troops murderers, disingenuous.

   What about YOU, Colbert ?  Do YOU believe that Republicans are against the GI Bill?

What on Earth does my post, or Rachel’s comments, have to do with personal responsibility? I apologize for calling you an idiot, that doesn’t advance the conversation, but what about my post has anything to do with a Disney movie? Making stuff up isn’t getting anyone anywhere. Insults may feel good, but they’re of little use.

“REPUBLICANS made up (not less than) 27% of the voting public.  about 55% of the voting public identified as CONSERVATIVE”.
No, not true.  Gallop polls since early 90s show consistently between 40% and 43% of people identify as conservative.  In the latest Gallop, of people who are Republicans, 73% call themselves conservative.  Of people who are Democrats, 40% describe themselves as moderates, 38% as liberals and a whopping 22% as conservatives.  Interesting no?  Source – Gallop website.

Wait a minute.  You are agreeing with O’Donnell 100%.  I quote you above: “If I were a GI coming home and receiving unemployment and someone accused me of being on welfare, i would be highly offended.”  This is exactly the sentiment O’Donnell was expressing — that the critics back in ’44 had the audacity to call it welfare.  Politifact flat-out screwed up bigtime.  The modern-day US survivor of this language is “on the dole” — certainly you’ve heard of this expression.  To be on the dole is to be sapping off of everyone else, to be a bum.  As Maddow delineated, in England they still call their welfare programs the dole; for quite awhile here in the US it was called the dole, then relief, as in General Relief, and now people generally call it welfare.  As O’Donnell explained, the only people who would have understood him if he had used the old terminology “the dole” would have been those over the age of 70, because nowadays everyone uses the word welfare.  How Politifact can screw up like that is beyond belief.  They say they were encouraged to check this out by some Texas Republican who was a former office-holder, so that fellow had O’Donnell in his cross hairs.  Sorry, but O’Donnell had it right, and I agree Joe, it’s as disgusting now as it was in ’44 to call the GI Bill welfare.  GI’s then and now deserve better than derision.  They earned the GI Bill benefits; unfortunately too many of their comrades didn’t survive to enjoy those benefits.

 Breasts?  That’s stupid.  Glad to see you discredit yourself with that kind of remark there, Steve, so that we don’t have to waste our time on you.

 Personal responsibility as in the economy (which sucks…gas $4.50/gal…groceries through the roof…etc…etc).
Blaming an economy which has worsened immensely in three years of Obama on his predecessors is not taking personal responsibility for his miserable job.
Your blaming and his blaming are over.
It’s his baby.

 You’d be surprised.  MSNBC is all over Facebook.  I’ve never seen anyone post anything from Fox on Facebook.  People are sick of Fox, they know that Fox purposefully misstates the facts, they’re sick of Congress sitting on their hands, and the Republicans would be well-warned to return to an intelligent conservative discussion along the lines of  William F. Buckley rather than this inane drool that these intellectually handicapped right-wingers are spewing forth now.  People just don’t buy it anymore. 

Politifact advertises itself as “an independent, nonpartisan consumer
advocate for voters to “help them sort out the truth in the Presidential
election. In reality, Politifact are leftwing political activists spewing anti-Republican
propaganda while hiding behind a façade of impartiality.

When they went online, they wasted no time
in using every fraudulent and perfidious trick in the book to help get Obama elected,
his past protected, and his radical agenda enacted. Part of the plan was to
defame and discredit McCain and Palin but saved their most scathing screeds for
anyone questioning Obama’s Presidential qualifications, eligibility, and
birthplace.

My three-year investigation into their
actions and words belies their “nonpartisan” tag. In fact, Politifact and the
Times directly conspired with Obama for America to launch a disinformation
campaign in concert with their efforts to elect Obama. My investigation also
dug deep into the activities and publications of Factcheck.org and found that
both were fraudulent “political fact-checkers” working in tandem, and directly
collaborating with the Obama Campaign to formulate their plans of attack
against Obama’s opponents, both politician and public irrespectively.

I have collected articles that were posted
concurrently on Politifact, Factcheck, and “Fight the Smears,” Obama’s Campaign
website, that conclusively prove they were operating off the same script, bulleting
the same talking points, and relying on the same liberal “experts and scholars”
as their sources of verification.

They also frequently cross-referenced
themselves with other tit-for-tat accolades provided by the most left-leaning newspapers
in the country, including the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, the LA Times,
and the Washington Post. It was from these like-minded liberals that Politifact
achieved its subsequent popularity and reputation for “impartiality, respectability, and truthfulness,” and allowed them to
hide behind this façade while distributing their leftwing propaganda.

The St.
Petersburg times via Politifact repeatedly engaged in
deceptive consumer practices, fraudulent advertising, slanderous attacks on citizens,
and aided and abetted voter fraud and identity fraud for the benefit of Barack
Obama. A review of all of their stories about Obama and McCain could not paint
a more stark difference in how Politifact rated them and wrote about them.

Politifact effectively operated as an arm
of the Democratic Party having vigorously defended the illegal or highly questionable
activities of well-known leftwing organizations such as ACORN, SEIU,
MoveOn.org, CODE PINK, and the Center for American Progress, as well as defending
Obama’s most radical associates like Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and Van Jones.

UPDATE: The St. Petersburg Times, after 81 years of operation, changed its name to the Tampa Bay Times…..coincidentally after I filed a complaint with the Attorney General of Florida.

 Seek456 — sorry it bothers you, but O’Donnell pointed out that what others criticized as welfare turned out to be one of the most successful government programs ever, and helped build the middle class that prospered so greatly in the 50′s and 60′s.  If you want to learn from history, this success should be considered before dismissing Obama’s proposals to help get this country out of a near-depression.  Many of these proposals would be bipartisan if the GOP hadn’t been hijacked by lunatic Tea Party fanatics who do not believe in investing in American citizens during a time of need.  This is not a “goofus story” as you put it.  Do you believe that GI’s are bums on welfare?  No.  So there’s nothing to argue about.  The GI Bill showed that government programs can help the country get back on its feet.

Rachel doesn’t just lean left, she cheerleads left.  Her “fact”-based opening show lectures/rants/gimmicks are cherry-picked “facts” consisting of phrases and sentences plucked out of larger statements made by whoever her target is, and these are twisted to form what she wants you to believe is the logical conclusion, which is usually that some Republican is a complete nut-case or moral deviant.  If you believe that this systematic cherry-picking and twisting really results in the conclusions that Rachel draws for her avid listeners, then nothing I say will change your mind.

It’s not just Maddow that gets under my skin.  Chris Matthews calling VP Cheney a “troll under a bridge” and “Darth Vader” and Bill O’Reilly always referring to the “looney left” are also embarassments to today’s cable “news.”

Do you remember between the ’08 elections and ’10 elections when a Democrat won a formerly long-time Republican House seat?  Rachel had lottsa fun with that one and talked about how the Dem’s were coming back.  But when shortly thereafter the Republicans won seats during off-year elections, where was the balanced analysis from Rachel?  I didn’t see it.  You may consider this as just not reporting on those stories because there were “other stories” more important.  I consider this evading the truth. 

If Rachel target were Mother Teresa, she could make her look like a non-believer.  If her target were Anthony Weiner, she could make him look like a real freak.

By the way, I missed Rachel’s nightly week-or-two-long rant about Weiner.  Oh yeah, that’s right.  I believe she covered that story a little teenie bit one night and then let it go.  Had Weiner been a Republican, she would’ve opened her show with ten-minute diatribes of handy “facts” to shred him.  Does that seem fair to you?

By being such a fan of Rachel, you do yourself a disservice by relying on her reporting and believing everything she says.  You don’t get the whole picture of what’s going on in politics, just the little anti-Republican parts that she wants you to know and get all steamed up about.

Good luck with that! 

Republicans this year look nuttier than the Democrats.  A truly fair and balanced program does not exist on MSNBC or FOX, and the closest thing to it are a few shows on CNN, although you can still see a left tilt even though they try to be fair.

Hannity and Maddow have one thing in common:  They both leave out what they don’t want you to know.  You’ve been had!

“Welfare” isn’t a phrase.  It’s a word.  It means the same thing as dole or relief.  Two dozen means the same thing as 24.  “Four score” in the Gettysburg Address means the same thing as something, but no one remembers unless they do the math to figure it out.  OK?  So, O’Donnell’s statement is not only mostly true, it is true.  Politifact screwed up big time.  They called it mostly false.  Huh?  How could they do that?!?!?  They are either stupid or now have a political bent.  They need to do a housecleaning or quit calling themselves Politifact.

He said the opponents of the GI bill called it welfare. Never said Republicans oppose the GI Bill.

They will put their respective spins on their subject.  One liberal one conservative.  However, I have fact checked not all, but some subjects that interest me from both parties and have found Maddow to be much more factual than Hannity. So I’m not sure what you mean by being had?

the debate had nothing to do w/ “republican conservatives” nor was it a “politico report”.
The debate was about Marco Rubio’s stated opinion that the “majority” of the country was conservative and Mr Maddows insistance that POLITIFACTS was wrong to find his statement”mostly true”.
The thread made it clear to any reasonable soul that Rubio’s comments were in fact 100% accurate and Mr Maddcow was blowing smoke up everyones ass.

in reply to (CAR)

Well, without getting into a long rant. Basically you are correct. In a post I did earlier this year I ranked about 20 popular sources of news including cable newspapers and popular blogs. For the Rachel Maddow Show I ranked her Extreme Left. For Fox I rank them full of lies and Nut-job far Right. At the end of watching Rachel’s show you think all Republicans are dogs and wish they didn’t exist. However, she draws you to this conclusion with facts. They may be twisted facts, mostly mentioning or cherry picking info to suit her needs, but ultimately she is not sayin gthings that are not true. With Fox they insinuate and blatenly say things that are not true. They play on people’s fears and draw either unproven or unprovable conclusions or conclusions that are so opinionated and general that it is even hard to sue them over it – like saying all illegals are Mexican Drug Lords. Who can complain or sue, all Mexican people??

You may not like that Rachel points out all the faults of Republicans, but at least she tries not to lie about the facts she brings up.

CNN is center left because the response to anything Republicans do is always center left. For example: Republicans say not to pass the Payroll tax cut without paying for it first. Okay, makes sense, don’t spend unless you have the money. But then they propose 800 billion in tax cuts, without any way to pay for it other then to say, tax cuts pay for themselves. And this hypocrisy is what makes people go left. Because Republicans don’t deal in logic where the decisions they make also apply to themselves. They are quick to talk about something that will affect someone else negatively, but never talk about what they could do better or what they would sacrifice.

This hypocrisy is why Obama leads all Republican nominees, gets more donations, and why Republicans have been in a state of disrepair since Bush and the supposed Tea Party credit downgrade.

When John McCain was running he didn’t need to lie. Santorum also doesn’t lie, which is why people respect him over Romney. Even though he’s a crazy biggoted racist, homophobic, fake catholic in my and many other people’s opinion. I used to call him the most racist nominee in the race. It’s too bae I didn’t know about his stance on women or ending women’s civil rights or ending civil rights in general.

Ignoring the truth will not set you free. Escape the lies, stick to the facts, and then, only then will you be free of the biggoted hypocrisy that is the 97% uneducated white male group that has become the Republican Party.

Sorry, need more context and have no idea what you’re saying. Sounds interesting though.

If you check Politifact, you will see that a Reporter from the New York Times waited for an interview for 4 years and did NOT get one from 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009. The New York Times reporter had no record of any interview with then President Bush. Yet during the same period he was interviewed by Republican leaning media on a daily basis.

Rachel, during the same time posted a clarification of those facts. It is the truth that Bush leaned heavily, about 100 to 1 in doing interviews only with Republican leaning sources.

Either way. If I was him I wouldn’t be doing any interviews with balanced reporting anyway. He will forever be known as the single person responsible for wasting thousands of lives, destroying millions of familes, robbing us of trillions of dollars, and cutterly collapsing our Economy and way of life.

Jail is too good for George Bush. Now I see why in other countries they decapitate the leaders they can’t get rid of or shoot them in the face. George Bush personally ruined and forever changed the lives of countless people all over the world.

Sorry but unemployment benefits are welfare, or on the dole.  So your entire post is off premise. And you can be offended all you want, but the truth is the truth no matter of your personal convictions on the subject. Its not the terms I like to use, but in the end those programs are welfare by definition. If you dont like that, insert something about boot straps here.

 I see ya ain’t there yet, libby.

When Marco Rubio claimed that a majority of Americans are conservative, Politifact rated that “mostly true,” even though its own article admits that in polls only 40% identify as conservative, while  56% identify as moderate or liberal. In other words, Politifact got it exactly backwards. Pathetic.

“53 percent is equal to “most” Americans?” As a matter of fact, yes.

“Most” of anything is 50 percent plus 1. That’s the definition of a “majority.” Look it up. In a book. A second-grade book.

Facts and reality have a notorious liberal bias.

Isn’t “the dole” more like unemployment benefits? In this country that is not the same as welfare.

 If they did come on her show,all she would do is attack their personal lives,instead of more important issues. One sided,bias reporting.Mark Levin would eat her for lunch.

 The same cadre of fast talkers on over and over again.

“Really?  53 percent is equal to “most” Americans?”  I don’t think so. ”

Joe,
Is English your second language or are you simply mathematically challenged.  53% is more than half, hence the word most is accurate.

Nothing wrong with fact checking but don’t let the foxes count the chickens.