I am so sorry, but Politifact has utterly conceded any credibility it might have otherwise had.  

Lawrence O’Donnell gets a “mostly false” for saying that critics of the GI Bill considered it welfare, when, as the article acknowledges, one of the Bill’s most ardent critics in the House ”treated the unemployment features with outright disdain. An ardent white supremacist, Rankin feared the unemployment provision’s impact on the work habits of the African Americans in his state and region. African Americans would not quickly rejoin the work force, he argued, if they were being paid generous unemployment benefits. Rankin complained further that it would ‘spoil’ them.”  But because he never used the word “welfare,” the claim is “mostly false.”

On the other hand, you have Marco Rubio claiming that a “majority” of Americans are conservative.  Despite explicitly acknowledging that the number is clearly less than a majority (40%), Politifact rates that as “mostly true.” 

It’s quite interesting to see how the rules of interpretation change depending on the ideological worldview of the speaker.  Liberal speaker?  Must be taken literally!  Conservative speaker?  Must be given the benefit of the doubt!

Your coment, bla bla bla bla bla bla.  You cannot fathom a website that disagrees with MSNBC, go back to your Media WorthlessMatters as your source for political facts. 

O’Donnell strikes me as a really creepy guy.
Like that man hiding behind a tree at the playground.

C’mon dude…Fox and Rush tell you to hate Media Matters and you don’t even know why.  

lawerence misrepresenting something, oh say it isn’t so lol

…..they were not using the word WELFARE at the
time. Lawrence simple used today’s words to describe what they did back then.
The word WEEKEND did not exist 100 years but they still had days off. Maybe
Lawrence should have bulled the video, wait there is none…it was 50 years
ago. Maybe Lawrence should have used the words they used back then…but that
would have confused watchers and would have been less accurate.. Politifact is kind
of dumb and embarrassing.

MSNBC caught lying????

In other news………water is wet and the pope is Catholic.

Blow it our your a*s! Find you’re local Tea Party if you’re
interested in freaks like that.

Your comment is kind of boring. Why waste your time posting?

I suppose Mother Jones gives you all your facts from David “no lips” Corn.

No, I cannot fathom a website that applies utterly different standards depending on the ideology of the speaker.

Do please explain, though, on what planet 40% constitutes a majority.

 If you want to get raped, try Occupy.

I suppose that you think that name-calling is an intelligent way to engage in a legitimate debate.

^^^A super exciting, informative comment!^^^

O’Donnell’s point is correct and valid. The far right called Social Security and Medicare “Socialism” (see Ronald Reagan clips), while most people today see those programs as necessary and beneficial.  

Richard Hofstadter’s “Anti-Intellectualism in American History” is interesting to read because we heard the exact same rhetoric used by McCarthy supporters and John Birchers used by the Tea Party. 

I was not name calling.  I was pointing out a “fact”.  The man has no lips. 

Lawrence!
 Is that YOU////

Or any state with a majority GOP legislature…

“Virginia Is For Lovers…And State Licensed Rapists”
http://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/virginia-is-for-loversand-state-licensed-rapist

Um, your assertion of a “fact” just happened to take the place normally reserved by one’s middle name.

If that doesn’t constitute name-calling, I’m not sure what does.

politifact is just a republican organization that lies…we need to get the word out there..so people dont believe them

RAmen.

Politifact is doing Cable News ads now?

I wish they would do the “Fair and Balanced” slogan!

The Republicans pulled out this same line of BS after the Obamacare Lie of the year issue. Now Democrats are mad and nobody likes politifact. When does this end?

 A Majority of Americans ARE conservative in relation to liberals. 40% to 20%, so yes, among political and social philosophy a majority of Americans ARE conservative.

Larry Odonnell lied.    GASP!!!!!!!!!!

Lawrence is accurate. The GI BILL was called welfare.My 125.00 a month did help me get through school

Well those programs are indeed socialist programs, no? The only thing that sets them apart from what folks today call socialism is that the term socialism is used on a sliding scale. As a culture we have accepted some forms of socialism while still trending against others.

*stinger*

Gee, you really rebutted him point-for-point, didn’t you? No one could ever win a debate with someone as through as you.

 It depends on what the definition of “is” is, right? Nice tap dancing, but you’re defending a lying sack of elephant dung.

says the party of Mitch McConnell

through?  what’s the word, what’s the word – thorough.  

Or your local catholic church.

That’s ridiculous.  If 40% + 20% = 100%, you’d have a point.  

Alas, it does not.

We know exactly why we hate Media Matters. They have a completely different, and wrong, perspective on the things that really matter in this world. 
It’s not our problem that Liberals want to live in candyland, where everything in the world is sweet. Listen, I totally relate to Liberals’ fantasy that the world should all work together and ‘move forward’ together. I just don’t live in fantasy. I live in reality where I, as an individual, control my own fate.

You can continue to live the life where everything is provided to you. Me in the meantime, I’ll continue fighting for I know I deserve. My grandfather began a legacy. I’m continuing it. 

The things you guys don’t realize, is that if you had the same perspective on life, maybe someday you wouldn’t preach for free handouts.

Back to the article though, this character is just trying to get more viewers for his lethargic show.

FROTH CALL IT WELFARE NOW!!!!!!!!!!

That is absurd.  

Another one of Rankin’s arguments against the GI Bill was as follows:  ”The bane of the British Empire has been the dole system.”  The dole system = welfare.

The “government takeover of health care,” on the other hand, was a blatant lie. When the world abounds with examples of governments that actually own and run their own healthcare systems, it is nothing short of a lie to say that a regulatory scheme amounts to a government takeover.  It does not.  It amounts to a regulatory scheme.

Same goes for arguments that Obama’s policies are “socialist.” Socialism – like government-owned healthcare – is a real world concept with an *actual* definition. Socialism exists when the government owns and controls the means of production. It does not exist, and never has existed, simply because a government regulates it’s industries.

Sometimes there just aren’t two equally valid sides to a coin.

The GI Bill was a veteran’s benefit/reward.  In other words, you actually had to serve your country (what a concept!) in the military under honorable conditions to avail yourself of it.  Welfare “as we know it” requires no such service.  Now, if people want to attach today’s welfare to some kind of service, hey, I’m all for it.  But instead, we’d hear “That’s unfair!” from the left. 

I’m a vet and one of the reasons I joined the service WAS to get the benefits of the GI Bill. 

In a sense, yes. Many mistakenly think of “socialism” and “communism” as the same: as a form of government in which everything–from your job to your groceries to your education–is doled out by the government. The U.S. is not even remotely close to doing that. 

But if you want to use the broadest sense of “socialist programs” then even a Ron Paul fantasy-land government would be socialist, in that the states would still likely opt to maintain public roads and public schools and even the police and fire departments are socialist. In fact, basically every government function is “socialist.” 

The statistics on poverty and death rates among the elderly show you how great of a success Social Security and Medicare have been in this country. Unless the public wants to go back to the days when the thought of old ladies eating cat food to get by wasn’t a joke, I’m pretty sure those “socialist” programs are here to stay.

“Mostly False”  is pretty damn good considering most of BSNBC’s content is outright false !!

Deflectsheeeeooon !!!

Please post a picture of Jones and prove that he has lips.

But he could sure beat you in a spelling and grammar contest.  Tee hee.

Kevin Gibbons Really Loves Him Some MSNBC !!

Your response is somewhat ironic. Why waste your time commenting ?

Just shows how MSNBC hacks lie like a rug. And no doubt the Republicans didn’t eat the pie. Fat-faced little Al ate it himself.

 Bla bla bla, I”m not going to read context and just comment about how you hate anyone who disagrees with MSNBC.  blah blah blah Let me put in a slur type of remark against someone Fox and Friends told me to hate.

Welcome back!!  =)

You got that right, Politifact. Course no one ever pays any attention to that LITTLE man, Lawrence O’Donnell, The Angry Socialist. But, we all appreciate Politifact’s honest reporting about this subject.  MSnbc used to be a pretty good place. However, since they went and hired all of these Socialist talking heads along with everyone’s favorite wacky goofball with the tingle up his leg Chris Matthews, they have moved so far to the extreme left that all people do with BSnbc anymore is laugh at them. The overfed redhead, Ed, is really funny to watch. It is like a gigantic volcano exploding.

According to my Politifact to Reality, Reality to Politifact translation dictionary (2012 edition), “Mostly false” means “Absolutely True.”

When, in the blue hell, did Pulitzer Prize winning and Sarah Palin “pants on fire” liar of year award giving Politifact suddenly become a right wing organization? 

My hypothesis: I blame Rachael Maddow and her (I’m guessing) need to retain some kind of journalistic street cred that manifested itself in going after the ombudsman web site.  I like Maddow a lot, but, in a battle between a liberal (or conservative) pundit and a proven non-partisan (though accused of being liberally biased in the past) fact checking org, I’m siding with the ombudsman.   

So you were born on third base, and you think that you hit a triple.

And LOD’s show is anything but lethargic.
Which is why you wrong-wing conservaslobs hate it.

The leftist turds at MSNBC seem to be going out of their way to spread their false propaganda.  There’s plenty of arguments to be made using indisputable facts, why do they insist on making crap up?

No genius, a govt is supposed to maintain law and order thats all. everything else is unnecessary and waste. 

yeah a stalin-fan boi talking abt ” … so people dont believe them” …. FAIL

It is nice to see that you are able to speak for “most people.”

 I think you unwittingly gave the most precise description of Lawrence  when you seemingly called him “Lawrence simple .” By the way , 50 years ago was 1962 . WWII was about 70 years ago . Even then, they had things called newsreels that captured the events of the day . I am curious about those confusing “words they used back then.” Just what exactly were those words ? I have a feeling that some of Larry’s audience would be confused regardless of the words used .

 we seriously need to get politifact and foxnews taken off the web/air …

 media matters is the most factual organization there is…they ONLY report facts…unlike the lies that ALL of FOX NEWS gives…they only LIE

Yeah, the job-avoiding homeless creeps who vote Demonrat never had  real employment and come to the  voting booth to register without ID in Dem-run states and get rewarded with “walking-around money.”   Used to give it out myself when I was a Demonrat, but then I grew up.

 LIES…the majority of americans are Liberals

 He never misrepresents…..fox misrepresents/lies all the time

 MSNBC was not lying…Politifact LIES

Your history is wrong and Hofstadter has been repudiated by subsequent US history.  Sounds like you’re trying to brown your nose with your professor…!

His viewership numbers have been in the toilet for about a dozen months and are going down.   No one likes arrogant leftists telling smarter people how wrong  they are.   LOD sucks, pure and simple, and is a liar to boot.

That makes a lot of sense. I’m way past college time and if I weren’t I wouldn’t expect my prof to be scouring Mediaite for my comments. Sounds like you forgot to take your meds. Please let me know how my history is wrong and how Hofstadter has been “repudiated.” If you’re referring to George Will, I wouldn’t trust a man who wears bow ties, Dave. 

I’m not speaking for “most people.” Those opinions are found in poll after poll after poll. Social Security and Medicare are hugely popular in the country. You should read up on it. 

The U.S. government never operated that way, not even when Washington was president. It has never been the Ron Paul utopia we find in Somalia today. 

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When the facts strongly favor Maddow and go firmly against PolitiFact, I’m siding with the facts.

So says the moron who knows nothing about the Constitution or the US government.

Nope, PolitiFarce accused MSNBC of lying. Big difference.

As usual, PolitiFarce bends over backwards to rate true statements by liberals as false and false statements by conservatives as true.

Opponents of the GI Bill didn’t have to use the specific word “welfare” for O’Donnell’s statement to be correct. Claims that the GI Bill would make veterans “lazy” and encourage them not to work are classic welfare-bashing arguments. And referring to it as a “dole system” (as in, “on the government dole) is simply referring to welfare by another, less favorable name.

thanks leedog

 There WAS a bit of grumbling about the GI Bill just after WWII.

  It came mostly from a tiny cadre of elitist academics and blue blood ‘entitleds’.

  They felt that the unwashed lower class Blue Collars had no place on college campuses.

  They felt that those to ‘ The Factory Born ‘ should stay in their place.

   The Jack Kerouacs of the world, had a byatch of a time getting their work published for

   just those reasons. The Tweedy/Preppys didn’t want the august halls of cloistered academia, nor the

   hushed cathedrals of publishing, business or banking cluttered up with the uncouth.

Hey, I was a Senior in High School as many WWII Vets returned to finish. They were a mixed lot, say, “everyman” types. Most, but not all, had a mature drive to learn and graduate.  I went straight into College, again a mixed bag of vets….most that I met and knew were not “elites” and were competitive in class.  Finally, after 4 years during a later war period, I and several other vets were able to complete high school , college, and even some-graduate school.

As far as I’m concerned, Lawrence O’Donnell was CORRECT.  The WWII and Korean G.I. Bills were outstanding educational, and home buying bills that allowed a huge segment of our vets to succeed. Period.  Fact!

Please cite one example of media matters publishing a falsehood.  In all the denunciations of MM I’ve seen from the white wing, I’ve never actually seen a concrete example of where they’ve lied or been wrong about anything.

He presented it as a fact, so makes sense they’d check it out.  I wouldn’t waste my time either, though.   You’re right, he should stick to slogans in the future!

to all you pin heads that think all social programs are for lazy no good trashy low class freeloaders , you wouldn’t feel that way if it were someone you cared about ,and you or your folks couldn’t do anything to help them , like your mother ,father , your wife or babies , yeah it would be a whole lot different then you’d be glad the government or someone was there to help them , now come on let’s hear it how you’d find a way before you’d ask for a hand out …..you’d do it and fight for the bones too .

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Is it possible that you could write anything more stupid?

Because a bunch of conservaslob morons don’t like someone who never intended to appeal to them in the first place, that means that he can’t succeed?

And who are these smarter people that are smarter than this Harvard grad? You, and the other wrong-wingers? Get real.

And what lies has he told? You might have mentioned one or two in the hope of making a point. Or didn’t you know that that’s how it works?

OK, I’m hearing a lot of talk about “Liberal Leaning” news outlets telling blatant lies. This is new. We all know that Fox new is full of lies (http://goo.gl/fmKBC), (http://goo.gl/n9mkY), (http://goo.gl/BosIO), (http://www.newshounds.us/), (http://goo.gl/wWxTd), and my favorite (http://goo.gl/5mnmf). There are many more examples but I’m getting bored.

So, anyway, those of you who are now suddenly and astonishingly claiming that lies are coming from news sources that you don’t even watch/read need to provide some links to support your flimsy assertion or shut the hell up.

Evidence of which you have unsurprisingly failed to produce in any way, resorting instead to name-calling and stamping your feet.

“When, in the blue hell, did Pulitzer Prize winning and Sarah Palin “pants on fire” liar of year award giving Politifact suddenly become a right wing organization?”

circa August 2007

In other words, an entitlement, as in “you were entitled to it”, just as you stated.

“An entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits based on established rights or by legislation” …like, you know, welfare.

The word’s out.

 Their wasn’t a disagreement regarding facts between Maddow and Politifact: it was over how they were interpreted in the site’s rating system.

Really?  Seriously?  Your comment is tea party worthy in its ignorance.

It looks as though a preponderance of academics agree with O’Donnell and not with PolitiFudge. Why do I not find that the least bit surprising?

The GI Bill (the Serviceman’s Readjustment Act) was enactedin 1944 to provide access to education, housing, and transitional funding for GI’s returning from WorldWar II service. It’s purpose was to defray the return of millions of servicemen into the workforce, but itslong-term (and rather unexpected impact) was through education. It was the biggest social welfare billenacted to date by Congress. Many feel that it was the best deal ever made by Congress (Keister, 1994).http://www.gwu.edu/~esri/ESRIsample_policy_analysis_proposal.pdf 

The G.I. Bill, in general, has been hailed as creating an “American welfarestate for veterans and their families,” a “universal” program that establishes a “happy ending” for  all veterans.http://www.nchv.org/docs/file_38_1roisman.pdf 

The original GI bill of 1944 is a landmark piece of US welfare legislation. 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2024059/posts 

Veterans’ welfare, the GI Bill and American demobilization.McEnaney L.SourceNadine Austin Wood Chair in American History at Whittier College, Whittier, California, USA.http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1748-720X.2011.00547.x/abstract Line by line, the most comprehensive piece of social welfare legislation the United States has ever known, it illustrated in vivid detail the struggles World War I veterans had endured to give meaning to their social contract with the state. Final Legacy of the Doughboys: The GI Bill

http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/j_keene.htm 

“This was all fairly new territory. The legislation that supported rehabilitation had only just recently been enacted,” says Linker. “Before World War I, the only type of insurance that existed was life insurance. It wasn’t until an addendum was tacked onto a bill responsible for insuring naval ships that the corporal welfare of soldiers was officially recognized. Later the GI Bill was introduced, which offered a much more robust standard.” 

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/home/SASFrontiers/2011-07_linker.html 

 The GI Bill contributed more than any other program in history to the welfare of veterans and their families, and to the growth of the nation’s economy.

http://www.globalhomefinance.com/va.php 

A secondary data analysis of the 2001 National Survey of Veterans
(NSV) for 2075 Gulf War-era veterans was conducted to
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Act of 1944, most recent provisions of which have been entitled
the Montgomery GI Bill and the Post 9/11 GI Bill), considered as
a social welfare policy, demonstrated protective effects for veterans
with disabilities in terms of successful re-entry and sustained
enrollment in higher education.  http://www.wmich.edu/hhs/newsletters_journals/jssw/36-4.htm 

 Oh good grief.  Go to the site and decide for yourselves.  Don’t just believe what you’re told.

No, it was a disagreement regarding facts. PolitiFact rated an objectively false statement as “mostly true”. They’ve also rated objectively true statements as “half true” or “mostly false”. And PolitiFact has a page explaining how their ratings are defined. The recent “fact-checks” that Maddow has objected to all involved PolitiFact ignoring their own definitions.

Andrew Mellon, warned that the creation of an entrenched system of benefits might make veterans a special interest welfare group.

http://tinyurl.com/6u5aayu

Wow, that was hard to find. Not.

Fox: the only news organization to ever got to court to defend their right to lie.

We know why you hate Media Matters…because you were told to.  

Media Matters is about to release a book that details (based on actual internal emails) how Fox promotes lies, “shames” the other networks into covering the lies and then does not follow-up with a retraction when the lies are exposed.  

Fox’s preemptive strike against Media Matters is to tell it’s sheep to hate Media Matters.  

to be fair the percents were something like 40% 35% & 25% tho the last 2 numbers I made up as I don’t want to do the research.   I did see maddows report though.  40% was the highest amount.  Some might call it a majority as the others were all lower.  Others could call it nit-picking.  seemed like a fair interpretation to me.  Maddow’s other points were all on track though.

 does that mean you are confused by him?  I watch him and am never confused.

 50 states with more than 50 sets of different laws.  Order requires standard laws so you can cross states lines and not be arrested for spitting on the sidewalk, so that stop signs all mean the same thing, etc.  So you do need a government or else America would be 50 countries, not one country w/ 50 states.

no one votes demonrat.  I suppose you mean democrat. Should we call you a Repugnicant?

Where do they hand out money to vote?????

If you “gave it out” yourself, wouldn’t that make you a criminal attempting voter fraud??????

 ed looks a lot like Bill o’reilly. 

The difference between MSNBC and Fox “news” is that MSNBC uses facts graphs and charts and has many republican commentators to counter the democratic commentators.
(Like the recent head of the GOP.)
Faux News uses innuendo and repeating false facts to make it seem like it’s true (if you say it often enough.  and they do.)  Comedy channel caught them putting false video backgrounds on to make tiny crowds of tea partiers look like much bigger groups, as just one example)

It only takes a couple of minutes to read it for yourself.   

But if Politifact tells you that A & B are true and they score you ‘mostly false’….I mean…what the hell.  Is that too difficult for you to understand.

 Interpretations over their own system of rating?

Really?

Either we really want to get into Maddow’s pants or we are very bored and don’t pay enough attention to the news.

Meet Virginia.

I’m confused… so your grandfather’s legacy isn’t a handout? And you controlled your fate by being born into his legacy?