Even the two dems are too cowardly to comment on the cowards. How rich is that. And with the “majority of Americans supporting them”??? What a joke. Just like liberalism. Albeit a sad pathetic joke.

Watch out !! It’s a Tommy Christopher curve ball !!

Tommy –

Stop defending cowardly Democratic State Senators. You’re not being fair to this entire argument. Did the Republicans run away when health care was passed? No.

WCinWI said:
Tommy –

Stop defending cowardly Democratic State Senators. You’re not being fair to this entire argument. Did the Republicans run away when health care was passed? No.

Well, I’m not defending them, I’m asking why these governors didn’t employ a legitimate defense. Still, if you want to make an analogy here with health care reform, wasn’t it cowardly for Republicans to refuse a straight up-or-down vote on the law? Whether you think so or not, the fact that Democrats never thought to frame health care reform that way, even when the Republicans had done the same thing when the Dems tried to filibuster under Bush, proves my point: Democrats are lousy fighters.

Tommy Christopher said:
Well, I’m not defending them, I’m asking why these governors didn’t employ a legitimate defense. Still, if you want to make an analogy here with health care reform, wasn’t it cowardly for Republicans to refuse a straight up-or-down vote on the law? Whether you think so or not, the fact that Democrats never thought to frame health care reform that way, even when the Republicans had done the same thing when the Dems tried to filibuster under Bush, proves my point: Democrats are lousy fighters.

A straight up or down vote on a bill that wasn’t even written yet??? Brilliant.

Tommy, is the Dem water getting heavy yet?

Glad to see Brewer’s teeth stayed in for the panel segment! Gawd, she needs to get her a set of teeth from someplace other than Big Lots!

Tommy, why is Mediaite ignoring what an epic fail the liberal rallies were this weekend? Not only did hardly anyone show up, but there were several instances of liberal violence and hate. You were on hand at the Beck rally to post anything questionable in real time, yet you choose to ignore this. Why is that?

td7456 said:
Glad to see Brewer’s teeth stayed in for the panel segment! Gawd, she needs to get her a set of teeth from someplace other than Big Lots!

The first lib to respond, in the typical lib fashion. Classy, on topic, and so predictable.

Tommy Christopher said:
Well, I’m not defending them, I’m asking why these governors didn’t employ a legitimate defense. Still, if you want to make an analogy here with health care reform, wasn’t it cowardly for Republicans to refuse a straight up-or-down vote on the law? Whether you think so or not, the fact that Democrats never thought to frame health care reform that way, even when the Republicans had done the same thing when the Dems tried to filibuster under Bush, proves my point: Democrats are lousy fighters.

I personally don’t care what the Democrats do with their legislative time. I care about my taxpayer money being used when the legislators aren’t even being held to account.

If you’d like to have a disagreement about the use of unions, so be it. That’s not going to be handled on a Sunday morning talk show. All I know is that you can’t be serious when unions have said that they are willing to concede and then try to ram down contracts that offer pay increases and don’t offer concessions to the items they said that they would concede.

I also thought that Democratic politicians cared about the right to choose. Is that only applicable to abortion? I mean seriously.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Tommy, why is Mediaite ignoring what an epic fail the liberal rallies were this weekend? Not only did hardly anyone show up [snips]

I think you answered your own question there.

If they hadn’t have fled, the legislation would’ve passed without most people knowing about it and there wouldn’t be tremendous pressure on the Governor to compromise. The employed a legislative trick and though it may or may not eventually force the bill to be modified, it still worked.

As for the Govs, they probably wouldn’t want to give their minority parties tacit approval.

Magister said:

As for the Govs, they probably wouldn’t want to give their minority parties tacit approval.

But cowardly approval of fleebagging is priceless.

Magister said:
If they hadn’t have fled, the legislation would’ve passed without most people knowing about it and there wouldn’t be tremendous pressure on the Governor to compromise. The employed a legislative trick and though it may or may not eventually force the bill to be modified, it still worked.

As for the Govs, they probably wouldn’t want to give their minority parties tacit approval.

No – They are fleebaggers and will be voted out. Speaking as a WI resident, folks are plenty to vote out these folks. WI is deep Red now. I’d strongly welcome a Daniels-Palin ticket. :)

WCinWI said:
No – They are fleebaggers and will be voted out. Speaking as a WI resident, folks are plenty to vote out these folks. WI is deep Red now. I’d strongly welcome a Daniels-Palin ticket. :)

WCinWI said:
No – They are fleebaggers and will be voted out. Speaking as a WI resident, folks are plenty to vote out these folks. WI is deep Red now. I’d strongly welcome a Daniels-Palin ticket. :)

*plenty excited

Watch how the LeftStream Media deliberately avoids the central issue of inherent corruption in PUBLIC unions negotiating with the Democrats THEY ELECT!

Even though Jimmy Carter and a Democratic House & Senate enacted the same law federally, prohibiting collective bargaining, that Wisconsin is proposing!

Break this PUBLIC union corruption, and you break the corrupt money-laundering arm of the Democratic Party!

What liberal media bias:

AP, NYT Inflate Perception of Non-Madison Saturday Pro-Union Crowds

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2011/02/27/ap-nyt-inflate-perception-non-madison-saturday-pro-union-crowds#ixzz1FBiUjd3T

these democrats are a shame, they are acting just like that coward abraham lincoln.
http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=9803297

td7456 said:
Glad to see Brewer’s teeth stayed in for the panel segment! Gawd, she needs to get her a set of teeth from someplace other than Big Lots!

ndanielson said:
The first lib to respond, in the typical lib fashion. Classy, on topic, and so predictable.

Funny how liberals make comments like this but Karma may come around to rot out his teeth and he might wish he had her teeth instead of having none.

“The actions of the “Wisconsin 14″ can fairly be called many things, but “cowardly” is probably the easiest of these to defend (if nothing else, the contrast between their disobedience and Gov. Scott Walker’s plan to trick them back into the state would have sufficed), and the fact that none of the Democrats on the panel chose to do so speaks volumes about why Democrats so often find themselves on the wrong end of political floor-mopping. If they can’t defend their own party for what can be fairly seen as courageous obstruction of something the public overwhelmingly agrees with them on, then what chance do they ever have of shaking the “Swiffer Effect™?”

67% of the country doesn’t approve of the actions of the cowardly Senators while only 25% do approve, according to one poll.
According to another poll, 56% of respondents said the Senators should return to their state while only 36% of responders believed that the Senators should continue to hide.

You conveniently left these numbers out of your story, Tommy, in an attempt to deceive the reader into believing that a majority of people support the fleeing senators. You have no facts to support your statement about “what can be fairly seen as courageous obstruction of something the public overwhelmingly agrees with them on”. A fairly small minority of the public agrees with you…per usual.

There was nothing cowardly about their walkout. You can argue that it was inappror

Magister said:
If they hadn’t have fled, the legislation would’ve passed without most people knowing about it and there wouldn’t be tremendous pressure on the Governor to compromise. The employed a legislative trick and though it may or may not eventually force the bill to be modified, it still worked.

Yeah, cowardice implies they were afraid to stay in chamber, as if there was danger to them. They employed a tactic to buy them more time. Scott Walker has been insincere in his public statements and it is clear they tried to ram this bill through. I have no problem with them walking out, although I think it needs to come to an end soon.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Tommy, why is Mediaite ignoring what an epic fail the liberal rallies were this weekend? Not only did hardly anyone show up, but there were several instances of liberal violence and hate. You were on hand at the Beck rally to post anything questionable in real time, yet you choose to ignore this. Why is that?

i think i mentioned this before, if you heard voices of violence, hate, or stupidity my guess would be tea party impersonating union protesters.
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/02/20/tea-party-plan-to-impersonate-union-protesters-even-if-it-becomes-known-that-we-are-plants-the-quotes-pictures-will-linger-as-defacto-truth/

lonestar77 said:
“The actions of the “Wisconsin 14″ can fairly be called many things, but “cowardly” is probably the easiest of these to defend (if nothing else, the contrast between their disobedience and Gov. Scott Walker’s plan to trick them back into the state would have sufficed), and the fact that none of the Democrats on the panel chose to do so speaks volumes about why Democrats so often find themselves on the wrong end of political floor-mopping. If they can’t defend their own party for what can be fairly seen as courageous obstruction of something the public overwhelmingly agrees with them on, then what chance do they ever have of shaking the “Swiffer Effect™?”

67% of the country doesn’t approve of the actions of the cowardly Senators while only 25% do approve, according to one poll.
According to another poll, 56% of respondents said the Senators should return to their state while only 36% of responders believed that the Senators should continue to hide.

You conveniently left these numbers out of your story, Tommy, in an attempt to deceive the reader into believing that a majority of people support the fleeing senators. You have no facts to support your statement about “what can be fairly seen as courageous obstruction of something the public overwhelmingly agrees with them on”. A fairly small minority of the public agrees with you…per usual.

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same2u said:
There was nothing cowardly about their walkout. You can argue that it was inappror

Yeah, cowardice implies they were afraid to stay in chamber, as if there was danger to them. They employed a tactic to buy them more time. Scott Walker has been insincere in his public statements and it is clear they tried to ram this bill through. I have no problem with them walking out, although I think it needs to come to an end soon.

Please stop. You don’t live in WI and you’re just being silly. The Democrats passed a bill within a matter of 24 hours in the last Governorship. So you can stop your whole “this bill is being rammed” part of your talk.

They were afraid to stay in chamber. That’s clear. Fleebaggers.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i think i mentioned this before, if you heard voices of violence, hate, or stupidity my guess would be tea party impersonating union protesters.
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/02/20/tea-party-plan-to-impersonate-union-protesters-even-if-it-becomes-known-that-we-are-plants-the-quotes-pictures-will-linger-as-defacto-truth/

Too stupid to realize that if this were true, HIS media would have been all over it like stupid on liberal.

What a sickening display by these Democratic Governors. Thier inability to defend their fellow Democrats actions shows why they’re loosing this fight. The name calling bu the Republican panel members is common and well rehearsed and what they’re most adept at doing. Jake Tapper points out conclusively the fact there is NO corolation between collective bargaining and states deficit.s And as usual it makes on difference to the Republicans. Someone should have pointed out that Wisconsons’ Governor never once mentioned the budget deficits in his conversation to the man he thought was David Koch. If that were his biggest worry he’d have mentioned it. The departure of the Wisconson Democratic senators was their only recourse. The only other option is the complete dismantling of the American middle class. The battle has been joined and the first prudent move for these Democrats is a strategic retreat, not cowardly but necessary.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i think i mentioned this before, if you heard voices of violence, hate, or stupidity my guess would be tea party impersonating union protesters.
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/02/20/tea-party-plan-to-impersonate-union-protesters-even-if-it-becomes-known-that-we-are-plants-the-quotes-pictures-will-linger-as-defacto-truth/

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What silly logic.

Tedderman said:
What a sickening display by these Democratic Governors. Thier inability to defend their fellow Democrats actions shows why they’re loosing this fight. The name calling bu the Republican panel members is common and well rehearsed and what they’re most adept at doing. Jake Tapper points out conclusively the fact there is NO corolation between collective bargaining and states deficit.s And as usual it makes on difference to the Republicans. Someone should have pointed out that Wisconsons’ Governor never once mentioned the budget deficits in his conversation to the man he thought was David Koch. If that were his biggest worry he’d have mentioned it. The departure of the Wisconson Democratic senators was their only recourse. The only other option is the complete dismantling of the American middle class. The battle has been joined and the first prudent move for these Democrats is a strategic retreat, not cowardly but necessary.

I love when Democrats are hypocrites. Thanks for proving that again.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i think i mentioned this before, if you heard voices of violence, hate, or stupidity my guess would be tea party impersonating union protesters.

Of course it would, chili. Anything else doesn’t align with your worldview, and we’re not about to let reality get in the way of the story you want to tell, are we.

Look at all the Teabaggers.

Tommy, of course they’re cowards and of course you’re defending them. If they aren’t cowards, why do they keep running every time the media finds them?

Tedderman said:
What a sickening display by these Democratic Governors. Thier inability to defend their fellow Democrats actions shows why they’re loosing this fight.

They’re losing this fight because they lost the election. Those are supposed to matter every time, not just when you like the result.

same2u said:
There was nothing cowardly about their walkout. You can argue that it was inappror

Yeah, cowardice implies they were afraid to stay in chamber, as if there was danger to them. They employed a tactic to buy them more time. Scott Walker has been insincere in his public statements and it is clear they tried to ram this bill through. I have no problem with them walking out, although I think it needs to come to an end soon.

at least the tactic the dems used quorum,or denying quorum, is constitutionally right. the republican fall back of stalling, the filibuster, is no where in the constitution.

Chili, I can see how you want to believe it isn’t your side spewing hate and violence, but based on history, it usually is. Nice try though!

ChiliPeppersFan said:
these democrats are a shame, they are acting just like that coward abraham lincoln.http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=9803297

Just because Abe did something stupid doesn’t mean dems in 2011 should do something equally stupid. To use an old liberal tactic, Jefferson owned slaves, soooooo that means it’s ok in 2011?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
at least the tactic the dems used quorum,or denying quorum, is constitutionally right.

Where does the Constitution endorse runaway legislators? Ah, it’s in your “Let’s pretend that everything I think is true” Constitution, right?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
at least the tactic the dems used quorum,or denying quorum, is constitutionally right. the republican fall back of stalling, the filibuster, is no where in the constitution.

The filibuster is a written rule, used by both parties, not showing up for work?? That’s just chickenshit.

TC: “.. the Democratic legislators in Wisconsin (and later, Indiana) have a strong rationale for their actions ..”

There is no rationale. They are cowards and pussies who’re thumbing their nose at the lawful process and refusing to play because for once, they didn’t write the script, and for you to excuse them simply because you agree with their philosophy makes you one of them, a despicable, anti-American coward.

timzank said:
That’s just chickenshit.

In Wisconsin, it’s a felony.

What’s hilarious about this is, had republicans done this they’d have Eric Holder on their Motel doorstep.

As Teh Organizer, Fancy Nancy & Dingy Harry so aptly said “elections have consequences”…

ChiliPeppersFan said:
the filibuster, is no where in the constitution.

Sure it is. Right next to the word “abortion”.

timzank said:
What’s hilarious about this is, had republicans done this they’d have Eric Holder on their Motel doorstep.

As Teh Organizer, Fancy Nancy & Dingy Harry so aptly said “elections have consequences”…

And, Walker won.

Tommy Christopher, would you at least go as far as to say it demonstrates a clear lack of respect for the system we have, namely a representative democracy?

timzank said:
Tommy Christopher, would you at least go as far as to say it demonstrates a clear lack of respect for the system we have, namely a representative democracy?

After all, Tommy, it does represent liberals, their lack of ideas, and (some of) their tactics when they lose.

News is that one of the fleebaggers, Senate minority leader, Mike Miller, is winding up on a recall petition as he cowers.

Just think, 680 state legislators changed hands in November. WI is the tip of the iceberg…

Tedderman said:
What a sickening display by these Democratic Governors. Thier inability to defend their fellow Democrats actions shows why they’re loosing this fight.

Exactly. DIMS need to hang together no matter what the damage to the country is, RIGHT?

And that cowardly Obama guy simply refuses to go to Wisconsin and help the union government workers crack the skulls of those lazy citizens who say they can’t afford more taxes that go into stimulus payments that go into union paychecks that go into Democrit campaigns. Sissys. Who cares if they lose their jobs and homes………..make ‘um keep payin’ up!

Democrits Unite!!

timzank said:
Tommy Christopher, would you at least go as far as to say it demonstrates a clear lack of respect for the system we have, namely a representative democracy?

Of course not, not when those dirty Republicans have been caught ruminating about dirty, filthy ways to make the brave Fleebaggers show up at work and do their jobs. Only the nasty Republicans hate the system and people and America and The Worker™. Democrats are brave and true, and they have the strength to ignore election results they don’t like. For America!

timzank said:
Tommy Christopher, would you at least go as far as to say it demonstrates a clear lack of respect for the system we have, namely a representative democracy?

I think there are persuasive arguments in both directions. Walker’s actions can also be painted in that light. It is definitely a subversive act, but then, so is attempting to kill collective bargaining.

ndanielson said:
News is that one of the fleebaggers, Senate minority leader, Mike Miller, is winding up on a recall petition as he cowers.

From what I gather, while the left is bleating in Madison, the Tea Party is all over 3 districts collecting signatures on recall petitions.

Tommy Christopher said:
I think there are persuasive arguments in both directions. Walker’s actions can also be painted in that light. It is definitely a subversive act, but then, so is attempting to kill collective bargaining.

Of course it is, Tommy………and that’s not a bad thing. Governement workers forget that they serve the public, NOT the other way around. And the public is suffering financial difficulties we’ve not seen since Jimmy Carter’s malfeasance.

It may not be a nice thing to say, but union workers have shown nothing but selfishness and disdain for the citizens who pay for their benefits, proving themselves nothing but parasites on a tired and weakened society.

Tommy Christopher said:
I think there are persuasive arguments in both directions. Walker’s actions can also be painted in that light. It is definitely a subversive act, but then, so is attempting to kill collective bargaining.

How is a vote of the elected legislature, which is completely within the normal rules of order and the common political practice subversive?

What galls me is that we get all this Wisconsin outrage over bargaining rights while there’s nary a peep that Providence just fired every last one of their 2000 teachers, and they’re going to rehire the ones they want at the terms they dictate. What everyone is saying might happen in WI just actually did happen in RI, one of the top 3 leading public sector union states. Why isn’t anyone noticing this OUTRAGE!!!? It happened almost on the first anniversary of the last time a RI town did exactly the same thing.

Could the lack of attention/coverage have anything to do with the fact that the Mayor of Providence is a Democrat and the last mayor he “inherited the problem” from is also a Democrat and now a US Congressman?

Tommy Christopher said:
I think there are persuasive arguments in both directions. Walker’s actions can also be painted in that light. It is definitely a subversive act, but then, so is attempting to kill collective bargaining.

What a CROC!

Federal Employees don’t have “collective bargaining.”

State, County, and Municipalities should not have “collective bargaining,” either!

What we can learn from Dems & union members in Wisconsin:

If we don’t like what we perceive as an eventual outcome, we should take our ball & go home…well, to a second home, in another state.

If we want to skip a day of work or school and we don’t have a legitimate reason, we should find a Doctor willing to engage in fraud, have him/her write us a sick note, lie to our employer or teacher and fraudulently pass the note on.

Yep, those Wisconsin teachers are exactly who I’d want in charge of educating my children. Ethics, morals, truth-telling? Pssh. It’s all overrated. It’s better to act like spoiled & petulant children.

Tommy Christopher said:
I think there are persuasive arguments in both directions. Walker’s actions can also be painted in that light. It is definitely a subversive act, but then, so is attempting to kill collective bargaining.

Collective bargaining is not a right, and perpetuating fraud with fake doctors notes, references to Nazis, calling a duly elected official a NAZI, calling in sick TO PROTEST, and being able to bill the taxpayer to do union (re: democrat work) work is UN-AMERICAN. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/27/1500-teachers-paid-union-business-missing-class/

ndanielson said:
Collective bargaining is not a right, and perpetuating fraud with fake doctors notes, references to Nazis, calling a duly elected official a NAZI, calling in sick TO PROTEST, and being able to bill the taxpayer to do union (re: democrat work) work is UN-AMERICAN. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/27/1500-teachers-paid-union-business-missing-class/

In fairness, it’s only bad when a handful of people out of hundreds of thousands liken a Democrat to a nazi. When a much larger portion of union supporters do it to a conservative, it’s not so bad. I’m not even being facetious. Liberals have used nazi comparisons so often that it’s pretty much par for the course. It’s not really newsworthy. Rarely a day went by during the Bush admin without some liberal out there calling him a nazi. But, since most media folks agreed with the sentiment, there was hardly a reason to be outraged.

juan said:
Tommy Christopher said:
I think there are persuasive arguments in both directions. Walker’s actions can also be painted in that light. It is definitely a subversive act, but then, so is attempting to kill collective bargaining.

What a CROC!

Federal Employees don’t have “collective bargaining.”

State, County, and Municipalities should not have “collective bargaining,” either!

Subversive??? Subversive is unions supported by TAXPAYERS, to SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! Period. THAT is subversive, and is tantamount to sedition, as it paints the republicans as going against democracy and the will of the people, when in fact, it is the exact opposite. AND, in the case of “educating” our children it involves them in the act!

The COWARDLY thing is making cops/teachers/firefighters PAY for the tax breaks for the richest among us, yes it takes REAL profile in courage to kiss up to and keep your bosses in the $$ while cutting aid to the most fragile.elderly, JESUS screw your heads back on righties! haven’t you been toeing the Rep. line long enough? do you have a favorite nurse? cop? teacher? WTF?!

You tell ‘em Tommy! The Democrats bravely ran away from their jobs because they have principles!

Tommy Christopher said:
I think there are persuasive arguments in both directions.

Oh LOOK Tommy is “fair” and he’s “balanced” way to ride the fence, I KNOW you think you’re presenting both sides by saying that, but really, Sir -maybe you’d like to lay out the “persuasive” argument for making the ppl who bust their humps working (overtime much of the time) to raise their families TAKE A CUT and give up rights while the millionaire is threat free of feeling the slightest pinch..TAC CUTS FOR EVERYONE, and it’s on the poor….please show us the “persuasive argument” in that! Really, go ahead and persuade

corplin said:
The COWARDLY thing is making cops/teachers/firefighters PAY for the tax breaks for the richest among us, yes it takes REAL profile in courage to kiss up to and keep your bosses in the $$ while cutting aid to the most fragile.elderly, JESUS screw your heads back on righties! haven’t you been toeing the Rep. line long enough? do you have a favorite nurse? cop? teacher? WTF?!

Class envy is the new racist card. Play ‘em while you can.

lonestar77 said:
What we can learn from Dems & union members in Wisconsin:

If we don’t like what we perceive as an eventual outcome, we should take our ball & go home…well, to a second home, in another state.

If we want to skip a day of work or school and we don’t have a legitimate reason, we should find a Doctor willing to engage in fraud, have him/her write us a sick note, lie to our employer or teacher and fraudulently pass the note on.

Yep, those Wisconsin teachers are exactly who I’d want in charge of educating my children. Ethics, morals, truth-telling? Pssh. It’s all overrated. It’s better to act like spoiled & petulant children.

Democrats will never fail to come up with new ways to break the laws, avoid the Constitution, and work against the will of the people. This is just their current “clever” method of criminal behavior……………..more to follow.

Class envy is the new racist card. Play ‘em while you can.

When you repeatedly hear that you have a certain problem, you might actually think….hmm everybody can’t be wrong, all the time.

Recall petitions are circulating for Wisconsin REPUBLICANS, as well.

“How is a vote of the elected legislature, which is completely within the normal rules of order and the common political practice subversive?”

It’s subversive when the WI State Assembly debates for 60+ hours, then the Republican majority abruptly opens the vote and closes it seconds later, solely to prevent Dems from having an opportunity to vote and probably breaching floor rules.

It was equally subversive for former (thank heavens) Rep. Tom “Jailbird” DeLay to hold a U.S. House floor vote open for hours while he arm-twisted and bribed members, rather than honor the 15-minute limit – a “reverse breach” of the same type of rules.

“Could the lack of attention/coverage have anything to do with the fact that the Mayor of Providence is a Democrat and the last mayor he “inherited the problem” from is also a Democrat and now a US Congressman?”

Probably not. Lefties lack the $$$ and influence that would enable them to question and resist such actions.

The WI Dems are American citizens as well as legislators. They have the right to leave the state. They also have the freedom of speech that right-wingers claim to hold dear and are exercising it with their feet . . . so to speak.

Walker is ALSO exercising his feet – by sticking them in his mouth and exposing himself as the fraudulent, bootlicking neocon toady he really is.

I doubt that the Dems relish the thought of being separated from family and friends or living in hotels for weeks on end. They are making these sacrifices because they understand that Walker and his neocon masters (e.g., the Koch brothers – the REAL ones) are making a naked power grab – one with profound consequences that go far beyond both collective bargaining AND Wisconsin.

Corrupt, sociopathic corporations and rich individuals like the Kochs are buying politicians like Walker who will sell out our country and our democracy to the highest bidder. They are also turning us against each other (see just about any thread here) through deception and deceit – deliberately inciting us to waste our efforts fighting each other instead of the true enemy: them. Damn them all.

If we sit idly by and allow this to happen, we’ll all be damned, too.

lonestar77 said:
What we can learn from Dems & union members in Wisconsin: If we don’t like what we perceive as an eventual outcome, we should take our ball & go home…LIKE PALIN?

well, to a second home, in another state. If we want to skip a day of work or school and we don’t have a legitimate reason, we should find a Doctor willing to engage in fraud, have him/her write us a sick note, lie to our employer or teacher and fraudulently pass the note on. little georgie (cheerleader) BUSH? ah the TANG never bought it.

Yep, those Wisconsin teachers are exactly who I’d want in charge of educating my children. Ethics, morals, truth-telling? Pssh. It’s all overrated. It’s better to act like spoiled & petulant children. BUSH ….again?

corplin said:
The COWARDLY thing is making cops/teachers/firefighters PAY for the tax breaks for the richest among us, yes it takes REAL profile in courage to kiss up to and keep your bosses in the $$ while cutting aid to the most fragile.

Ah, someone else who has no idea whatsoever what a ledger looks like. YOU DO NOT PAY FOR TAX BREAKS. You learn to live with less, sometimes. When the tax incentive increases your revenue overall, you make money on it. But you never, ever pay for a tax break. It was never your money.

corplin said:When you repeatedly hear that you have a certain problem, you might actually think….hmm everybody can’t be wrong, all the time.

Yes, liberal douchebags believe that if they repeat things enough, they’ll eventually become accepted as fact. Also, a few obnoxious liberals aren’t “everybody”. Deal with it, homes.

Davo said:
Democrats will never fail to come up with new ways to break the laws, ********Iavoid the Constitution,******** and work against the will of the people. ********This is just their current “clever” method of criminal behavior……………..more to follow.***********

****ILLEGALLY TAKING OUR BEST TO WAR??

*********SPYING ON THE AMERICAN PPL?

*****ILLEGAL WAR-WIRETAPPING? TORTURE?

*******ROGER AILES SUBORNING PERJURY?

jrcmi said:
If we sit idly by and allow this to happen, we’ll all be damned, too.

I’m not idle, I’m applauding! And I make less than a Milwaukee teacher.

jrcmi said:
It was equally subversive for former (thank heavens) Rep. Tom “Jailbird” DeLay to hold a U.S. House floor vote open for hours while he arm-twisted and bribed members, rather than honor the 15-minute limit – a “reverse breach” of the same type of rules.

How subversive was it for Nancy Pelosi to ram a 1,200 page health care bill down America’s throat so that “we can finally find out what’s in it” ? Are you for real???

corplin said:
****ILLEGALLY TAKING OUR BEST TO WAR??

*********SPYING ON THE AMERICAN PPL?

*****ILLEGAL WAR-WIRETAPPING? TORTURE?

*******ROGER AILES SUBORNING PERJURY?

ELEVENTY!!11!!!11!!!!!!1!!!!

I gotta go.

Pablo said:
Ah, someone else who has no idea whatsoever what a ledger looks like. YOU DO NOT PAY FOR TAX BREAKS. You learn to live with less, sometimes. When the tax incentive increases your revenue overall, you make money on it. But you never, ever pay for a tax break. It was never your money.

You have two things -you have your spending and your revenue, AMERICA NEEDS more revenue–open your eyes and see that, it won’t hurt you, certainly not as much as it will hurt this country (and probably your own neighbors/friends/family) if the right/reps -and all their poor cheerleaders don’t see it.

corplin said:
****ILLEGALLY TAKING OUR BEST TO WAR??

*********SPYING ON THE AMERICAN PPL?

*****ILLEGAL WAR-WIRETAPPING? TORTURE?

*******ROGER AILES SUBORNING PERJURY?

Hey, CAPS LOCK, you forgot using firecrackers he’d been saving since childhood to blow up the twin towers. Oh, and riding magical unicorns around the country instructing them to poop on liberals houses…AT the TAXPAYERS expense. ILLEGALLY!?* ????!!!!*****

I’m ashamed that Nikki Haley is my governor. You shouldn’t be one making value judgments Nikki? Were you “representing the people” of South Carolina when you coveted Sarah Palin’s endorsement? Does this mean you might become a “coward” and “shameful” by resigning as governor?

Pablo said:
ELEVENTY!!11!!!11!!!!!!1!!!!
I gotta go.

DONT! I mean you aren’t going to flee are ya? Take YOUR ball and go home are ya? ;)

corplin said:
TAKING OUR BEST TO WAR??

That is why we don’t send liberals to war. But you “won” that right. Are you glad it is no longer a privilege to join the military?

corplin said:
SPYING ON THE AMERICAN PPL?

Through the Patriot act that your boy just approved, again???

corplin said:
ILLEGAL WAR-WIRETAPPING? TORTURE?

Through the Patriot Act and rendition that your boy supports, again??? Or through drone strikes on a sovereign nations that your boy railed against as campaigner 0bama, but carries out daily without a peep from liberals clowns?

corplin said:
ROGER AILES SUBORNING PERJURY?

Enlighten us all, sweetpea. Is it suborning witnesses like the impeached serial adulterer BJ Clinton, that you clowns re-elected? Or some other dreamed up liberal conspiracy?

corplin said:
You have two things -you have your spending and your revenue, AMERICA NEEDS more revenue–open your eyes and see that, it won’t hurt you, certainly not as much as it will hurt this country (and probably your own neighbors/friends/family) if the right/reps -and all their poor cheerleaders don’t see it.

America needs more wealth creators. Something liberal clowns have no concept of.

corplin said:
You have two things -you have your spending and your revenue, AMERICA NEEDS more revenue–open your eyes and see that, it won’t hurt you, certainly not as much as it will hurt this country (and probably your own neighbors/friends/family) if the right/reps -and all their poor cheerleaders don’t see it.

Yes. But if your quest to make more revenue leads you to squeeze people who have the ability to just leave your grasp, revenue actually goes down. When you free people up to take risk and invest money, your revenues go up because everyone’s revenues go up.

Government, more than it needs more money needs to stop spending so much of it. Stimulus level spending cannot be the new normal. The only thing it stimulated was a Tea Party.

WillP said:
I’m ashamed that Nikki Haley is my governor. You shouldn’t be one making value judgments Nikki? Were you “representing the people” of South Carolina when you coveted Sarah Palin’s endorsement? Does this mean you might become a “coward” and “shameful” by resigning as governor?

Move. You are worthless to her anyway. The only cowards were the ones who brought, and lost their frivolous law suits against Palin. And the ones who remain clueless to it.

WillP said:
I’m ashamed that Nikki Haley is my governor. You shouldn’t be one making value judgments Nikki? Were you “representing the people” of South Carolina when you coveted Sarah Palin’s endorsement? Does this mean you might become a “coward” and “shameful” by resigning as governor?

Ahh, I see you’re one of those people who mastered writing down words but never quite mastered putting them together coherently. I know someone like that. Sometimes I’ll send him an e-mail and ask “how are you”? He’ll respond: “I was doing well but my dog had puppies and I love all of them so next time I go to the store I’m going to buy a toothbrush so that I can go the park and play basketball because I love to make chocolate chip cookies.”

WillP said:
Were you “representing the people” of South Carolina when you coveted Sarah Palin’s endorsement?

hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate

corplin said:
Tommy Christopher said:
I think there are persuasive arguments in both directions.

Oh LOOK Tommy is “fair” and he’s “balanced” way to ride the fence, I KNOW you think you’re presenting both sides by saying that, but really, Sir -maybe you’d like to lay out the “persuasive” argument for making the ppl who bust their humps working (overtime much of the time) to raise their families TAKE A CUT and give up rights while the millionaire is threat free of feeling the slightest pinch..TAC CUTS FOR EVERYONE, and it’s on the poor….please show us the “persuasive argument” in that! Really, go ahead and persuade

I’m not riding any fence, you’re taking that out of context. The commenter asked me a question specifically about the Democrats leaving the state, “would you at least go as far as to say it demonstrates a clear lack of respect for the system we have, namely a representative democracy?”

As they should have.

WI Dems are COWARDS!

Eleanor Clift Amazingly Asks “Since When Does Scott Walker Represent ‘The People’?”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/02/27/eleanor-clift-amazingly-asks-when-does-scott-walker-represent-people#ixzz1FCI3wf67

Tommy Christopher said:
I think there are persuasive arguments in both directions. Walker’s actions can also be painted in that light. It is definitely a subversive act, but then, so is attempting to kill collective bargaining.

Tommy:

I hope you read ALL the comments about your little blurb. They’re making you look like a dullard.

Hopefully this will be your worst comment ever. It”s not too late for you to learn. The first step is in understanding you got LESS of an education than you thought, and MORE of an indoctrination than you realized.

Another peaceful union thug assaults a Tea Paty member, and another assault that the liberal news will fail to report: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fascists-go-home-tea-partier-injured-in-assault-by-teamster-at-sacramento-protest/

ChiliPeppersFan said:
at least the tactic the dems used quorum,or denying quorum, is constitutionally right. the republican fall back of stalling, the filibuster, is no where in the constitution.

Actually, it is in the Constitution. The US Constitution gives each house the right to set their own rules. The US Senate decided to include filibuster in their rules. Now, where is running off to another state covered?

timzank said:
Just because Abe did something stupid doesn’t mean dems in 2011 should do something equally stupid. To use an old liberal tactic, Jefferson owned slaves, soooooo that means it’s ok in 2011?

That’s right. Abe did marry Mary Todd. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

Tommy Christopher said:
I think there are persuasive arguments in both directions. Walker’s actions can also be painted in that light. It is definitely a subversive act, but then, so is attempting to kill collective bargaining.

I would like to know how it’s subversive when he has allowed the protests to go on for two weeks, has allowed 60 hours of assembly arguments to be heard, has allowed 17 hours of public hearings to be heard and was elected on his record. No offense, but we have a nice conservative radio station network in WI and we’re pretty politically motivated people. I would like to know how this is subversive, when he has only extended his role at the local level into one at the state level.

Priceless. One Tea Party member takes on a mob of union goons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JLLFhbrScOs#at=423

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhqGoa7X3zA&feature=player_embedded

ndanielson said:
Priceless. One Tea Party member takes on a mob of union goons:

Part two…

ndanielson said:
Priceless. One Tea Party member takes on a mob of union goons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JLLFhbrScOs#at=423

ndanielson said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhqGoa7X3zA&feature=player_embedded

Part two…

And kicks a$$.

Two Republicans and two Democrats is “ganging up”?

Tommy Christopher is a joke. This is not media criticism, this is political criticism.

He belongs on DailyKos, not Mediaite. On second thought, he belongs in the comment thread of DailyKos.

“The actions of the “Wisconsin 14″ can fairly be called many things, but “cowardly” is probably the easiest of these to defend (if nothing else, the contrast between their disobedience and Gov. Scott Walker’s plan to trick them back into the state would have sufficed), and the fact that none of the Democrats on the panel chose to do so speaks volumes about why Democrats so often find themselves on the wrong end of political floor-mopping. If they can’t defend their own party for what can be fairly seen as courageous obstruction of something the public overwhelmingly agrees with them on, then what chance do they ever have of shaking the “Swiffer Effect™?””

This is Christopher’s whole point. Notice that it contains NO criticism of the media whatsoever. Instead, it is just another liberal giving his opinion on the most partisan story of the moment.

Tommy: what does this have to do with the media? Why does your mindlessly partisan political rant belong on Mediate?

Look at Christopher’s comments. He isn’t talking about the media there either.

Is Mediate turning into a political commentary site? If so, it might want to think about changing its name to something more accurate like “GenericLiberalPartisanship.com”.

Is there a conservative version of Tommy Christopher on Mediate? You know, somebody who does nothing but defend conservatives, regardless of whether or not that defense has anything to do with the media in the slightest?

ndanielson said:
Another peaceful union thug assaults a Tea Paty member, and another assault that the liberal news will fail to report: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fascists-go-home-tea-partier-injured-in-assault-by-teamster-at-sacramento-protest/

Blaze=Beck=No Credibility.

WCinWI said:
Tommy –

Stop defending cowardly Democratic State Senators. You’re not being fair to this entire argument. Did the Republicans run away when health care was passed? No.

Cowards are the teabagin’ liars whom ran for office on JOB CREATION gave but whose first job was to give people like the Koch Brothers an extention to the Trillion Dollar Bush Tax gifts – in effect, creating shorfalls in states like Wisconsin. $137 shortfall, $117 in Corporate Tax Gifts – but hey, working class tax paying Wisconisin – you can pick up the tab for the Koch Bros, because they’re taking that tax break and trying to break your backs!!! Koch Whores and Teabagers are Republicans working for the Corporate Citizen – not Wisconsin, not America – by Scott Walkers own ADMISSION.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Tommy, why is Mediaite ignoring what an epic fail the liberal rallies were this weekend? Not only did hardly anyone show up, but there were several instances of liberal violence and hate. You were on hand at the Beck rally to post anything questionable in real time, yet you choose to ignore this. Why is that?

Largest Rally Yet – you’re in denial of course, but it’s funny, may I call you Koch Whore?

Cowards are the teabagin’ liars whom ran for office on JOB CREATION but whose first job was to give people like the Koch Brothers an extention to the Trillion Dollar Bush Tax gifts – in effect, creating shorfalls in states like Wisconsin. $137 shortfall, $117 in Corporate Tax Gifts – but hey, working class tax paying Wisconisin – you can pick up the tab for the Koch Bros, because they’re taking that tax break and trying to break your backs!!! Koch Whores and Teabagers are Republicans working for the Corporate Citizen – not Wisconsin, not America – by Scott Walkers own ADMISSION.

WCinWI said:
I personally don’t care what the Democrats do with their legislative time. I care about my taxpayer money being used when the legislators aren’t even being held to account.

If you’d like to have a disagreement about the use of unions, so be it. That’s not going to be handled on a Sunday morning talk show. All I know is that you can’t be serious when unions have said that they are willing to concede and then try to ram down contracts that offer pay increases and don’t offer concessions to the items they said that they would concede.

I also thought that Democratic politicians cared about the right to choose. Is that only applicable to abortion? I mean seriously.

You didn’t care about the $117 Million in Tax Gifts to the GOP supporters? You don’t care about Wisconsin or the people – you dumbarses think you’r winning something, when all you’re doing is lowering the standards, killing future business in a state where the Corporate Welfare Citizen gets 2/3rd free ride and the other 1/3rd Tax Gifts. It’s all on the back of the American tax payers to bail out the Koch Whores, et. al.

Shouldn’t the issue be that the allegedly unbiased Tapper parroted a GOP talking point by asking the question.

bobmoses said:
Is there a conservative version of Tommy Christopher on Mediate?

Frances Martel
Mark Joyella
Colby Hall

JazzyJim said:
You didn’t care about the $117 Million in Tax Gifts to the GOP supporters? You don’t care about Wisconsin or the people – you dumbarses think you’r winning something, when all you’re doing is lowering the standards, killing future business in a state where the Corporate Welfare Citizen gets 2/3rd free ride and the other 1/3rd Tax Gifts. It’s all on the back of the American tax payers to bail out the Koch Whores, et. al.

Ohhhhh noooooooo corporations..AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I think of it as a filibuster on foot – but, hey, if it’s cowardly then all those congressional filibusters threatened and/or carried out were just as cowardly. I think it’d be much more chickenshyt to give in to the Koch Brotherhood running the gov’t in Wisconsin

“Frances Martel
Mark Joyella
Colby Hall”

Bull. Show me one story from any of those folks that criticize Democrats without criticizing the media. Just one and I will admit that I am wrong.

Your knee-jerk reaction might make you feel good, but it has no basis in reality.

“You didn’t care about the $117 Million in Tax Gifts to the GOP supporters?”

Who received those “gifts” and what evidence do you have that they are “GOP supporters”? Be specific.

Koch whores. Love it!

The Dems didn’t flee, they merely adjourned to another state!
Avoiding a vote’s required quorum is a time tested, legitimate strategy.
It’s the game of professional politics, not an amateur sport.

Republicans were in minority in both houses the first two years of this administration. Never did they run and hide from an issue. They presented their case and if they lost, they lost with grace and moved on to the next challenge. Quite simply, democrats are invertabrate cowards.

The Democrats WI are reminiscent of Obimbo’s stint in the Senate. How many times did he vote “present”, rather than deal with a problem?

The poor schmucks of Wisconsin suffer under taxation without representation.

On a happier note, the Harvard Literary Society named “Atlas Shrugged” the most important book of the 20th century. Now movie fans have something to look forward to.

http://www.atlasshruggedpart1.com/atlas-shrugged-movie-trailer

Bad Wolf said:
The Dems didn’t flee, they merely adjourned to another state!
Avoiding a vote’s required quorum is a time tested, legitimate strategy.
It’s the game of professional politics, not an amateur sport.

Right. Avoiding the will of the people who recently elected Scott Walker to do exactly as he is now doing, takes real “professionals” like the Wisconsin Democrits.