The AMA doesn’t sound Christian to me. Maybe people need to stop definitively declaring that they know exactly what Jesus would say or do, because no one knows for certain.

Yeah, didn’t Jesus say “if your neighbors house catches on fire don’t you dare put it out unless he’s paid his 75 bucks and I don’t give a f**k if his dogs and cat are in there burning up you bastards”

So it must have been the other guy, wow, iguess that would be satan, that said “whatever you do unto the LEAST of your brethren you do unto me” and all those other things about ALWAYS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES HELPING EACH OTHER!

Oh well, Mazel Tov!

What an odd season…

(Unless otherwise noted, the opinions expressed are the author’s and do not necessarily reflect the views of the American Family Association or American Family Radio.)

feminized version of christianity? what would jesus do if he was a chick? maybe rachel maddow knows.

The word “feminized” does not NOW appear in the blog, but is referenced in the comments. Odd.

To read the blog, which is posted with black font on black background, right click in the margin and chose “select all” and the secret message is revealed.

WWJD?
“Let it burn” according to Fischer.

“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.

Tough luck if you don’t pay your $75 fee. If you rightwingers are wondering why there’s so much oppostion to your views, this is the perfect story. Rather than the moral hypocrisy that seems part of the Libertarian/Teapublican ideology, there might be a better, more sensible way of dealing with people who forget to pay small fees. Simply add $75 to the taxes for all homeowners. Ah, but that would be ‘socialistic’, and we can’t have any of that. It’s the same story about health care. A simple way to cover everyone would be to have most everyone in the pool of insured like thay do in most civilized countries and, again, that’s socialistic, or, maybe, it’s the moral Christian way to do things. Liberals use to be the ones called ideologues, but the real ideologues are on the right, and, as we evolve, fewer people will be going in that direction. Maybe, all the cowboys and cowgirls can go to Utah or parts of Texas and set up their own selfish, small-minded country. No taxes, no services, no life.

I am willing to bet the flesh and blood Jesus would have wanted to put out that fire.

But then I can’t confirm this because unlike social conservatives, I don’t have the ability to communicate with him directly in his current out-of-body form.

Considering 3 dogs and a cat died in the fire I’m pretty sure Jesus would have let it burn.

“I sayeth unto you, bring forth to me your puppies and your kittens so that I may burneth them in a holy house fire”

— John 3:17

But what would Superman do?

Pretty much everything that comes out of Bryan Fischer’s mouth or head is complete and utter BS.

If the Jesus I worship would have let it burn, it’s time for me to find another religion or no religion at all. But I have a feeling I don’t have to get rid of my Bible any time soon.

Perhaps the only thing He’ll let burn is the person who decided on this ridiculous policy.

APNewsBreak: Johnson nets savings on prison labor
By SCOTT BAUER (AP) – 42 minutes ago
MADISON, Wis. — Records obtained by The Associated Press show that Republican Senate candidate Ron Johnson is saving money by employing prison inmates at his plastics factories.
Johnson’s two companies don’t have to pay for health care for the inmates. The state covers those costs. Johnson has campaigned against government subsidies to business.
Johnson is a political newcomer challenging Democratic U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, and is running as a businessman who opposes government interference in the free market. Johnson’s campaign says the companies are trying to provide work skills for inmates, but Democrats say the subsidized jobs show Johnson is guilty of hypocrisy.

“in the eyes of Mr. Fischer, the Christian and right thing is to argue that personal choices should trump the obligations of a civil society”

Hmm, I wonder if that includes a woman’s decision about her own body or anyone’s choice of life partners…

Jesus was a liberal.

Not kidding.

oh jesus (pun intented)

the xtian loons will go to ANY length…

“And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done unto me.”[Matthew 25:40]
“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”[Mark 10:25]
“And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
He said unto him, What is written in the law? How readest thou?
And he answering said,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,
and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; Deut. 6.5
and thy neighbor as thyself. Lev. 19.18
And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. Lev. 18.5 Mt. 22.35-40 · Mk. 12.28-34
But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbor?
And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
And by chance there came down a certain priest that way; and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was; and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
and went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him: and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbor unto him that fell among the thieves?
And he said, He that showed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.” [The Gospel according to St. Luke 10]
Jesus and the real Christians say it better than anyone.

megla said:
Jesus and the real Christians say it better than anyone.

Where do they mention government intervention or forced collective charity?

shootfromthehip said:
Jesus was a liberal.

Not kidding.

Hoe do you figure? He was a total Godbotherer.

ganymede said:
Simply add $75 to the taxes for all homeowners. Ah, but that would be ’socialistic’, and we can’t have any of that.

It also wouldn’t pay for the Fire Department, as the people in question don’t pay taxes to the town with the fire department. That’s why they have the fee.

The county government could do that and pay the town and streamline the process. They should put a proposal together and put it in front of the people.

The AMA has clearly never read the Gospels.

Oh Pablo…
“They”? “They” the friggin BIBLE? And what is “forced collective charity” anyway? Thought the discussion was WWJD. What Would Jesus Do [not Who Would Jerk Dave or something else] and it seems JESUS would have sided with common decency. Put out the fire.

megla said:
And what is “forced collective charity” anyway?

It’s self-explanatory, really. Think “wealth redistribution”.

wouldn’t everyone just love to have pablo for a
neighbor since apparently
he would prefer to watch a house burn down
with 3 dogs and a cat burning in it just to make
absolutely sure wealth won’t be redistributed

AngelPeters said:
The AMA has clearly never read the Gospels.

Yes Pablo,

Let’s stop all of this redistribution from blue to red states… Top notch idea…

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/the_red_state_ripoff.html

Mr Fischer would have probably not been happy when Jesus said “I desire mercy, not sacrifice”….

I think a lot of people do not realize that in smaller communities residents have to subscribe to the local volunteer fire department to subsidize their existence. I have lived in such communities and the modicum fee is a form of insurance. Now, how many of you do not have an insurance policy on your homes and your cars?

They guy rolled the dice and his tornado magnet (mobile home) went the way of that torpedo in the song by War; “up in smoke.” Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. He lost. Life can bite you when you make bad decisions.

I’m not sure Jesus would have let the dude’s home burn, but so far as I know, Jesus did not run a fire department in Smallville.

Oh, and the guy who owned the tornado magnet may have had an insurance policy to pay off the loss. If I were the underwriter of such a policy, I would take it to court–AND EVERYONE POSTING ON THIS SITE WOULD DO THE VERY SAME THING!

Years ago, when a suspect was confronted by a police man, the police could say stop or I’ll shoot. Today, they don’t do that anymore. If you are not smart enough to know why they quit doing this, you are not smart enough to know why the fire chief should have put the fire out anyway. Hint—he didn’t have all the facts when he made his final decision.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Cl-Fd_Saint-Eutrope-vitrail1.jpg

What’s the point of this stupid Christian bashing article. Brea Tremblay? Fall temp fill in one would hope? The class of this site just dropped a notch.

Iris said:
wouldn’t everyone just love to have pablo for a
neighbor since apparently
he would prefer to watch a house burn down
with 3 dogs and a cat burning in it just to make
absolutely sure wealth won’t be redistributed

If your house was on fire and you’d wait for the Fire Department to come and get your dogs out of it instead of doing it yourself, you’re a disgusting, cowardly human being and I’d hate to be your neighbor, let alone your dog. What makes you think the animals would have magically survived in a burning house until the FD showed up?

Greg said:
Yes Pablo,

Let’s stop all of this redistribution from blue to red states… Top notch idea…

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/the_red_state_ripoff.html

First, if you’re going to respond to me, you should quote me, and not Angel Peters. Secondly, I don’t see where New York showing as a tax drain. We’ve sent over a trillion dollars there. Ezra Klein and Friends fail. What else is new?

I’m not religious, but nothing sickens me more than people falsely claiming the word of Christ on their side, especially in this kind of case. As far as I recall from Sunday School as a kid, Jesus never charged an admin fee for his miracles.

gammaray said:
I’m not religious, but nothing sickens me more than people falsely claiming the word of Christ on their side, especially in this kind of case. As far as I recall from Sunday School as a kid, Jesus never charged an admin fee for his miracles.

They should have called Jesus instead of 911.

Pablo said:
If your house was on fire and you’d wait for the Fire Department to come and get your dogs out of it instead of doing it yourself, you’re a disgusting, cowardly human being and I’d hate to be your neighbor, let alone your dog. What makes you think the animals would have magically survived in a burning house until the FD showed up?

You are wrong and too hasty to condemn. You have no proof the family didn’t try to get their animals out. Don’t spout off about what you don’t know. I’ve been in that very situation, my house on fire, my pets trapped downstairs. I tried everything to reach them but could not because of the flames. The only way I could help my beloved pets would be to burn along with them.
This news story is not, or should not be about religion, or what would Jesus do, nonesense (why on earth does that always come up?) Its about you, me, anyone, doing whats right or wrong. Its about what would YOU do if you were there?

Myself, I could not stand with the others and watch this families home burn because they did not pay a $75 bill. I’d try anything in my power to help put that fire out. Any person that was there, that didn’t try to help, should feel ashamed. If we can’t look out for each other in situations like this, unpaid bill or not, then there is something terribly wrong. Somehow along the way, our caring for each others welfare, has gone by the wayside. We’ve turned into uncaring cold people, who’s only concern is the almighty buck.

Jayson said:
You are wrong and too hasty to condemn. You have no proof the family didn’t try to get their animals out.

Yeah, I do. They’re dead.

compound said:
Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.

Isn’t a fire an “act of God,” and aren’t we all God’s children?

Jayson said:
I’ve been in that very situation, my house on fire, my pets trapped downstairs.

I would wrap myself in a wet blanket and do my damnedest to save them, trusting God had my back. I don’t have children or family, just cats, but I would die for them.

We all God’s children.

It is an odd thing.

oops

I personally would have helped the family. However, they did put themselves in a position where abiding by the merit of the law was OK.

If you don’t pay for services…why should you get them?

Pablo said:
It also wouldn’t pay for the Fire Department, as the people in question don’t pay taxes to the town with the fire department. That’s why they have the fee.

The county government could do that and pay the town and streamline the process. They should put a proposal together and put it in front of the people.

Then send them a bill fore more later, that”s what other places with the same policy do. Gov’t exists to ensure protection of liberty & property, in that respect, hasn’t it failed it’s function here?

Welcome to what a Teabagrepublican utopia would be. Sort of thing that makes Ann Coulter all tingly.

Make no mistake. The Taliban has arrived on these shores. They just shaved their beards and attend tea parties.

Clearly not all Christians are Christian. Whether they think so or not. Brea Tremblay the writer of the following article quotes Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association who claims to be able to say what Christ would have done in this situation as well as what is right and wrong biblically. Not!!
The Good news is most Christians disagree. I urge you to read the comments ‘below’ the article, in particular one by ‘Megla” and decide for yourself. But as a man I couldn’t watch someones house go up, with their animals in it, and not try and stop it. It’s the right thing to do. Also as an admirer of Christ’s message of forgiveness and love, I’d simply ‘have’ to have helped if I could’ve. Only a cruel heart could hold back.
Bryan Fischer claims that his rationale is “if the right thing is to ‘not’ stop it ( who said that was the right thing? ) then that ‘must’ be the Christian thing”.
But what if the right thing was to help? Jesus asked which of the 3 that came across the wounded man was his neighbour? The one that showed mercy was the answer. I hope Bryan Fischer and every single one of those firemen can from this moment on guarantee all their bills will be paid and that they’ll never need mercy because they shouldn’t expect to receive what wasn’t in their hearts to give. Enough said!

I noted this when the story first came out.. the firefighters should have volunteered to put the fire out and the family should have volunteered to give the firefighters much more than the $75 fee even if it was bit by bit. Then they could both come out and explain why such systems don’t work. I’m tired of those “personal responsibility” arguments – what about “ethics” – shouldn’t they be just as important?

This reminds me a lot of when I lived in the “third world” – many people wouldn’t help unless there was some money involved – even for the smallest things. I could make the “necessity” argument for them though, what’s the excuse here?

As far as Jesus goes – I don’t come from a big Jesus tradition but it seems like people read into Jesus whatever they want.. People have “turned the other cheek” in his name and others have killed thousands of innocent people in his name. What would Jesus have done if one of the kids was trapped in the house? Would he let the child die to prove some kind of American right wing or libertarian point? Is that how it works? If the firefighters put out the fire to save a person in the house would they be blasted by the same right wing forces that praise them for watching the house burn?

Things in this country are beyond ridiculous. Good luck with that,