Whenever you hear or read in the news that a helicopter “crashed,” you better think twice. The military does not want anyone to know that choppers are frequently brought down by enemy fire.

It’s just a shame we have to read about all this years after the fact.

Where are the real war reporters?

What we’ve had for the past decade are stenographers.

Just what the Pentagon wants.

And this is unacceptable!

“An airstrike in Azizabad, in western Afghanistan, killed as many as 92 people in August 2008. In May 2009, another strike killed 147 Afghan civilians.”

Get OUT of Afghanistan NOW.

Great idea. Get out of Afghanistan now. If that isn’t the most simplistic view possible, I’ve no idea what is.

You do remember what happened as the result of Afghanistan being occupied and run by a terrorist organization, right? Go to down Manhattan and take a look at the hole if you need a clue.

Hey FUCKHOLE.

The terrorists who brought down the twin towers were from Saudi Arabia.

As someone who served in Iraq , the founder of Wikileaks , should be beheaded in a soccer field Saddam & Afghanistan Taliban style !

DailyKos is celebrating ..

You want simplistic?

I’ll give it to you very simple: we cannot be all over teh word and be the world’s policeman any more. We cannot afford it. You ok with your taxes being raised so we can continute to be in Afghanistan another 10 years? Not me.

There will always be terrorists in the world in any number of countries. We cannot invade them all.

A smarter way is to have small covert CIA-led operations. Not sending in massive armies.

We need to work with Pakistan, India and other neighboring countries to fix the mess.

Military “solutions” are not working, they are hurting.

We are only creating MORE terrorist and people that hate America with every errant bomb that maims or kills an innocent.

Why isn’t the story that the folks at Wikileaks are nutjobs whose goal is to cause trouble and get people killed? The NY Times notes they won’t release any documents that might cause danger to people, but the lunatics at Wikileaks have no such compunction.

Glad to know you openly advocate for the murder of someone, Murf.

Thank you for your service, now go cool off by firing a few rounds into a non-living target.

Shootfromthehip

Who are one utterly clueless piece of shit liberal who spouts nothing but spoon- fed Dailykos talking points..

Go to hell

Sucks to loose to someone smarter than you, doesn’t it Murf?

Fuck Daily Kos and fuck you.

I get my talking points from NO ONE.

You go to Iraq and you see the joy and gratitude in the eyes of the Iraqi people , that thank us for what we did , then get back to me to on your narrow minded brain dead ideology .

Liberals love spreading peace and love but only in movies.

I don’t do talking points. I do the truth.

shootfromthehip said:
Hey FUCKHOLE.The terrorists who brought down the twin towers were from Saudi Arabia.

Ah. Okay, so the Talbian didn’t harbor bin laden, and they had nothing to do with the plot. Got ya. Silly me.

Mature by the way. I’m a fuckhole.

shootfromthehip said:
I don’t do talking points. I do the truth.

Does that include your use of the word FUCKHOLE in all caps? As in your previous post?

The joy of these dead civilians, perhaps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lt_DfYKH0Q&feature=related

Or maybe the joy a mother feels when her only son loses limbs to an errant U.S. bomb?

shootfromthehip said:
You want simplistic? I’ll give it to you very simple: we cannot be all over teh word and be the world’s policeman any more. We cannot afford it. You ok with your taxes being raised so we can continute to be in Afghanistan another 10 years? Not me.There will always be terrorists in the world in any number of countries. We cannot invade them all.A smarter way is to have small covert CIA-led operations. Not sending in massive armies.We need to work with Pakistan, India and other neighboring countries to fix the mess. Military “solutions” are not working, they are hurting.We are only creating MORE terrorist and people that hate America with every errant bomb that maims or kills an innocent.

I agree. Military solutions don’t work. I mean, historically, they’ve worked wonders, but let’s forget facts for a bit and pretend that diplomacy is the way to go. So, after the attack of 911, you would’ve just allowed al qaeda its home base in Afghanistan? Just allowed the taliban to continue offering aid in support and the infrastructure of a nation? We should have just sat back and waited for the next attack, huh?

Like I said- simplistic.

Yes it does.

I will call it as I see it.

The truth is I feel that Joshua is a fuckhole for calling my worldview simplistic.

Ok Joshua, I take back the “fuckhole” comment. You’ve got some nuance to ya.

“So, after the attack of 911, you would’ve just allowed al qaeda its home base in Afghanistan? Just allowed the taliban to continue offering aid in support and the infrastructure of a nation?”

No, I woud have gone in there with the initial strike, as we did, but then I would have ordered troops OUT.

And ordered INTERNATIONAL peacekeepers IN.

But left CIA in as well.

Liberals don’t give a damn about the troops , they are ALL blind sheep who just parrot talking points .

Just like DADT policy since when did the Left care so much about the military ?

Let’s remember folk this is the same Left who spit on and called the Vietnam Vets ” baby killers ”

Its allllllllll about ” the progressive movement ”

Let’s get real .

shootfromthehip said:
“So, after the attack of 911, you would’ve just allowed al qaeda its home base in Afghanistan? Just allowed the taliban to continue offering aid in support and the infrastructure of a nation?”No, I woud have gone in there with the initial strike, as we did, but then I would have ordered troops OUT. And ordered INTERNATIONAL peacekeepers IN.But left CIA in as well.

Well that doesn’t work too well when no one seems to have any balls these days. How do we order international troops around? You really think we could just be like, “yo, NATO, take over…we’ll be seeing ya. Good luck with it.” ??

It’s not the most wonderful of situations, but how do you just leave? You leave and everyone knows what happens- the taliban takes back over, they call up bin laden, “hey, how goes it? swing back by, they left. we’ve got some big planning to do!’ Then when the next attack happens, do we go back in or do we just say screw it and wait for the next attack?

Maybe we change the rules of engagement which are screwing our guys over? Maybe we get to the root of the problem and stop being so PC that we’re scared to death to admit the root of the problem is a backward 7th century political ideology with death at its core?

“How do we order international troops around?”

Very skilled diplomacy. Bush and his team did not have the capacity to rally the international community to help. He MIGHT have been able to, had he not messed it up by invading Iraq. But that’s all history now…..it could have been done, though.

“It’s not the most wonderful of situations, but how do you just leave?”

That is the hardest question indeed. But hard times call for hard answers.

It’s been done before and the world survived (see Vietnam etc…).

Every Democracy has been made possible because of war .

Dear “Murf.” You do not speak for all liberals.

Nice antiquated stereotypes you have.

Please let us know when you wake up in 2010, where the liberals are U.S. vets in charge of Congress and looking our FOR our troops (see John Kerry, Jim Webb, John Murtha R.I.P and on and on)

I wouldn’t want to be in a position of trying to compare vietnam with afghanistan. We didn’t risk the vietcong coming over here with suitcase nukes or flying planes into skyscrapers. I fear just leaving would mean a disaster for the US, and the govts main job is to protect the populace. I don’t think the most skilled diplomacy would gather the intl community around. They did help in afghanistan, but look how quickly so many of them lost the will to stay in the fight? Wars aren’t won overnight, unfortunately.

Democracy got Hammas elected.

True story!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006

Talk about simplistic, you cons understand very little about the world.

Guess that’s why you swallowed all of GW Bush’s dumb platitudes.

Diplomacy — Thats really working out isn’t ?

Sanctions on Nkorea and Iran are really making them think twice

The United Nations has become such a bargaining chip , Nkorea and Iran are thinking twice now before striving to attain nuclear weapons .. LOL

shootfromthehip said:
And ordered INTERNATIONAL peacekeepers IN.

Oh, you mean like an International Security Assistance Force? Damn, why didn’t anybody think of that?

“:Wars aren’t won overnight, unfortunately.”

That much is very true.

But the reality is that Al Queda are mostly dead or long ago escaped into Pakistan.

We simply cannot afford to be there any longer while our own country suffers in debt.

I’d rater build better roads and bridges here than in Kabul.

What about you?

Shootfromthehip — Ill give you credit for Jim Webb .

“Iran are thinking twice now before striving to attain nuclear weapons”

Actually diplomacy IS working in he case of Iran.

Thanks Murf.

Webb is one of the good ones.

And I’ll give you credit for your service. Sincerely.

Please let us know when you wake up in 2010, where the liberals are U.S. vets in charge of Congress and looking our FOR our troops (see John Kerry, Jim Webb, John Murtha R.I.P and on and on)

Zombie Murtha back in Congress?

*shudder*

shootfromthehip said:
Actually diplomacy IS working in he case of Iran.

How can you tell?

Because they don’t have an A-Bomb yet, do they?

We must leave Afghanistan. No one ever wins in war, and it’s a moral outrage.

Is there something about the word “yet” that shows a change in the track of the situation from wich one could reasonably conclude that diplomacy is having a positive effect in regard to Iran? This does not indicate diplomatic success: Ex-CIA chief: Strike on Iran seems more likely now

murf said:
As someone who served in Iraq , the founder of Wikileaks , should be beheaded in a soccer field Saddam & Afghanistan Taliban style !

DailyKos is celebrating ..

And you should be castrated with a rusty olive fork.

felixw said:
Does that include your use of the word FUCKHOLE in all caps? As in your previous post?

It’s the truth: the guy is a fuckhole.

murf said:
Every Democracy has been made possible because of war .

Iceland wasn’t created by a war.

shootfromthehip said:
Hey FUCKHOLE. The terrorists who brought down the twin towers were from Saudi Arabia.

Who ran where immediately for shelter fuckhole?

Pablo said:
Zombie Murtha back in Congress?*shudder*

Murtha didn’t do shit for the troops, he did it all for his constituents, they all enjoyed the gazillions that fat old pork fucking leech brought into PA. The troops he accused of cold blooded murder…

Despicable untrustworthy old dirtbag.

Jelperman — I will assume you are a proud member of the Westboro Baptist Church .

shootfromthehip said:
The terrorists who brought down the twin towers were from Saudi Arabia.

You asshole- they were members of AQ and were trained in Afghanistan.- you fking lib commie cowards always try to re-write history.

Well, rewrite this: FU!!

shootfromthehip said:
Democracy got Hammas elected.

It also got Hitler, Mao, Saddam Hussein, etc elected.

What is your point, asshole baby?

shootfromthehip said:
There will always be terrorists in the world in any number of countries. We cannot invade them all.

Who said we should?

shootfromthehip said:
A smarter way is to have small covert CIA-led operations. Not sending in massive armies.

We need to work with Pakistan, India and other neighboring countries to fix the mess.

We already did that!!! The CIA was the first in, months before the military.

And, yes, India and Pakistan have really stepped up haven’t they?

Next!

“What is your point, asshole baby?”

My point is, genius, that Bush’s (and the commenter above) seems to think imposing Democracy at the barrel of a fun is somehow a noble cause.

It is not,

And even IF Democracy flourishes in Iraq, doesn’t mean we will like the results (see Hammas winning in Palestine).

barrel of a GUN, I meant.

shootfromthehip said:
And even IF Democracy flourishes in Iraq, doesn’t mean we will like the results (see Hammas winning in Palestine).

Well we sure as hell can try to steer them on the right path.

I don’t see how the neo-cons would be anything but thrilled at Obama’s foreign policy; It’s exactly the same as Bush’s…

If people actually had to pay, directly in taxes, for these wars, they might think twice about just how much they want them. And if they still wanted them, I have little doubt that they’d argue for finding something more cost-effective.

170 South African PMC soldiers were able to do what 80,000 UN troops couldn’t. THAT’S cost-effective.

I hope the US government will have Mr. Julian Assange assassinated.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry…said in a written statement that “however illegally” the documents were released, they raise “serious questions” about U.S. policy toward the region.
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More Classic HYPOCRISY / DISHONESTY from the LEFT!!

Compare above to how the Left RAILLED against the “illegality” of how the ACORN tapes were obtained!
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EXPOSED – The lying left, & their media!!

Now the whole world will know…the actual size of Billary’s pantsuits.

There is freedom of the press and there is treason. Disclosing classified materials is treason.

On war: I wish I did not know this but I do; there is one reason to fight a war and that is to win it as quickly and decisively as possible. Why? War is a horrible thing, and it is not to be dwelt upon or gloried in.

A quick and expeditious victory minimizes the loss of life and the costs involved in fighting a war. This was the basis for Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War.” Since 11 September 2001, for one reason or another, the US has failed to prosecute the war on terror in a manner that has resulted in the victory that should have been won over a bunch of third-rate hooligans. One should have thought this lesson would have well been learned in Vietnam. Unfortunately, it apparently was not.

This has been to our own undoing in that our failure to gain a decisive victory has emboldened numerous tin-horn thugs to the point where they are now challenging and threatening the US. (North Korea, Iran, Venezuela) As a result of our government’s dithering and failure to seek victory, more of our best and brightest are sacrificed to the monster that is war.

By all accounts, bin Laden’s head should have been placed on a pike in the capitol square of Krapistan. Every terrorist should have been taking the “dirt nap,” and our troops should be home with their families and loved ones. Instead, the US allows itself to be hamstrung by our own politicians who want to make political hay, and by the UN–all of which is to the detriment of those whom are truly our “best and brightest.”

Will our government learn its lesson on the folly of politicizing war? I very seriously doubt it.