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Bill Clinton Deals President Obama A Fourteenth Amendment Wild Card

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Former President Bill Clinton made headlines Tuesday when he said that, if he was in charge, he would raise the debt ceiling himself under the 14th Amendment, and “force the courts to stop me.”

The idea of raising the debt limit using the 14th Amendment isn’t new, but President Clinton’s declaration significantly alters the political dynamic, giving President Obama either a powerful wild card to play in the negotiations, or an enormous headache. Which it turns out to be depends on whether you view Clinton’s statement as an off-the-reservation outburst, or a coordinated part of the Obama administration’s negotiating strategy.

While the ability of the President to use the 14th Amendment to raise the debt limit is debatable (the Congressional Research Service, among others, says he can’t), Clinton’s construct renders that question moot, at least in the short term, by employing the old maxim that it’s easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. It also plays to the media’s curious fetish for “decisiveness,” demonstrated ad nauseum during the Bush administration. The media, and lots of Americans, loved having a “decider,” even when those decisions were disastrous. They’re much more likely to positively view a decisive action that avoids a disaster. Given that the public is finally starting to understand the seriousness of the default threat, cries of “executive overreach” would likely be offset by the sense that the move was unavoidable.

Raising the specter of unilateral action gives President Obama some political cover to use the 14th Amendment, but it also has the potential to make it difficult for him to pass up the option, as well. If a default occurs, and constitutional Obama decides the 14th Amendment doesn’t permit him to step in unilaterally, Clinton’s words will become politically disastrous for President Obama. Again, the answer lies in former President Clinton’s motivation.

Figuring that out is no simple task. While former presidents are traditionally reticent to wade, unprompted, into policy discussions, Clinton has been a bit of a loose cannon at times. If he was going rogue here, the former President could be creating a problem for President Obama by making it nearly impossible not to go to the 14th Amendment in the eleventh hour. By placing that arrow in Obama’s quiver, Clinton also moves the chains somewhat on how drastic a compromise President Obama can sell to his own base. If people perceive that the President has this ultimate trump card, it will make it harder for him to accept a deal that includes less (or no) revenues than Democrats are seeking.

However, President Obama has demonstrated a willingness to leverage Clinton’s political popularity and skill in the past, so there’s an excellent chance that this was an intentional move, equal parts trial balloon and warning shot. As ABC News points out, the White House has been rather strong in saying that the President won’t use the 14th Amendment:

“It’s pretty categorical. We’re not exploring this. That’s not an option,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday. “There is no mechanism that allows us to get around the fact that on August 2nd, if the measures haven’t been taken, we go into default.”

However, the administration’s public statements are necessarily designed to thread a series of ever-smaller needles. First and foremost, they need to avoid panicking world markets, which jumping the 14th gun would surely do. They also don’t want to signal to Republicans that there’s an escape hatch from making the grand bargain the President seeks. In a nutshell, even if he wants to, the President really can’t say he’ll use that nuclear option until he’s actually going to.

President Clinton, of course, is another matter. By setting up the 14th Amendment dominoes, he gives President Obama a chance to gauge public and media reaction to such a move, without damaging his bargaining position or influencing markets. Making the threat by proxy actually might enhance the President’s bargaining position, if reaction to the idea is positive. Making such a decisive move, in the face of economic disaster, could be a huge political win for him, much more so than dragging Republicans a few feet into a compromise that both sides will hate.

On the flip side, if Democrats perceive that the President could do this, it will make it tough for the President to resort to the fallback McConnell/Reid plan, which contains no additional revenue. Jay Carney framed that plan as the “eject” button yesterday, but invoking the 14th Amendment renders the McConnell/Reid plan politically obsolete.

In the end, the 14th Amendment nuclear option might be the closest thing to a win-win. It was a mistake for the Republicans to tie deficit reduction to the debt limit, and many would argue that it was a mistake for President Obama to negotiate anything under threat of default. Invoking the 14th Amendment gets everyone out of this hole. It gives Republicans a way out that allows them to stick to their principles, while they lambaste President Obama to their base for overreaching. It gives Democrats a win for standing up for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. President Obama might take a hit for overreaching, but would likely get a bigger “decider bump,” and the American people would get to avoid a global economic catastrophe.

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  • http://twitter.com/moosetoga Matt Dana

    “Given that the public is finally starting to understand the seriousness of the default threat…”

    Got a source for that assertion? My sense is that most people are still pretty clueless about how bad a default would be, but I’d love to be proven wrong.

  • Resident of 0bomberVille

    Careful there, 0bomber. You never know where Slick’s hands have been.

    -0bama – Worst-

  • http://www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc/ DavidKramer

    Yes, we all know Billy the rapist Clinton’s technique. Do what ever you want, be it against the law or not, then let the courts decide.

    Since the courts have no jurisdiction on criminal acts of the president and the president currently has a Democrat held senate, he has nothing to worry about. The congress is the court where criminal acts are judged for presidents. As for Constitutional arguments, we are STILL WAITING for the SC decision on the last Constitutional over reach of the current slime ball. It takes 2 years to get a case to the SC and the slimes know that if they do this, they would have already spent EVERY DIME of the rise in the debt limit money. What then, the US Taxpayer will have to pay it back, they ALREADY HAVE TO.

    King George stole 20% of the founders labor. This government now steals 50-75% of our labor, the ones that actually pay instead of those that just suck at the teat of the government.

    Bill is the biggest slime ball we have ever had as president.

  • Anonymous

    “Clinton’s construct renders that question moot, at least in the short term, by employing the old maxim that it’s easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.”
    Wow, the jokes write themselves with that line.

    “While former presidents are traditionally reticent to wade…”
    Except of course for Jimma Carter but that dude is so batshit crazy, I don’t really count him either.  

  • Michelle

    Funny, a liberal called me a liar yesterday for this.

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    14th Amendment gets everyone out of this hole. It gives Republicans a way out that allows them to stick to their principles, while they lambaste President Obama to their base for overreaching. It gives Democrats a win for standing up for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. President Obama might take a hit for overreaching, but would likely get a bigger “decider bump,” and the American people would get to avoid a global economic catastrophe.

    And what happens to the democratic party if the courts turn it back for way overreaching by a socialist President and his followers?

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    14th Amendment gets everyone out of this hole. It gives Republicans a way out that allows them to stick to their principles, while they lambaste President Obama to their base for overreaching. It gives Democrats a win for standing up for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. President Obama might take a hit for overreaching, but would likely get a bigger “decider bump,” and the American people would get to avoid a global economic catastrophe.

    And what happens to the democratic party if the courts turn it back for way overreaching by a socialist President and his followers?

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    14th Amendment gets everyone out of this hole. It gives Republicans a way out that allows them to stick to their principles, while they lambaste President Obama to their base for overreaching. It gives Democrats a win for standing up for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. President Obama might take a hit for overreaching, but would likely get a bigger “decider bump,” and the American people would get to avoid a global economic catastrophe.

    And what happens to the democratic party if the courts turn it back for way overreaching by a socialist President and his followers?

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    14th Amendment gets everyone out of this hole. It gives Republicans a way out that allows them to stick to their principles, while they lambaste President Obama to their base for overreaching. It gives Democrats a win for standing up for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. President Obama might take a hit for overreaching, but would likely get a bigger “decider bump,” and the American people would get to avoid a global economic catastrophe.

    And what happens to the democratic party if the courts turn it back for way overreaching by a socialist President and his followers?

  • Anonymous

    That picture . Call the Bunco Squad .

  • Anonymous

    Since it’s completely unconstitutional, Obama will love it.

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  • Anonymous

    Smart move by both Democratic Presidents and if you believe that Barack and Bill aren’t cut buddies in this process then you need to get out of that dream.  Of course this was a plan.  Obama might have no choice in the matter and the closer we get to August 2nd the more people will see the critical nature of not raising the debt ceiling.

    We as small business owners and for sure larger businesses are waiting for this to get done.  We see the crisis every day. Nobody is shaking loose any cash this summer to enhance their businesses in either hiring employees or hiring consultants to do projects until this thing settles down in Washington.  That’s what these people in Washington don’t seem to understand.  Small businesses are suffering at unbelievable levels and bigger businesses are still in a holding pattern.

    Summer is generally slow but this has to end because we’re all looking for a good Q4 in every business.  Nothing will happen until this is resolved and if pulling the 14th Amendment door on this will loosen up our mindsets and loosen them soon, that will be a big relief.  If not, and if not done soon, Q4 business is going to be a mess.

  • caconservative

    The 14th Amendment does not allow Congress to borrow money. It only stipulates that Congress pay for what it spends. It can cut spending, raise taxes, or print money.
    Logic tells us that cutting spending is the obvious choice but, Washington, in it’s ever expanding need for power is doing their best to skirt what the citizens see as the obvious choice. There is no such thing as compromise in Washington. There’s only the use of smaller devious increments of taxation, or regulation, that Congress pushes on us, and then tells us they have done their job, by “compromising”! What a joke!! 

  • http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

    Excellent analysis.

    The only whatever that I might add is that President Obama may have more than sufficient political capital to accept a no-revenue compromise, but it wouldn’t do anything toward garnering more hardcore Republican votes in 2012 and it wouldn’t move the needle with true Independents. While the “nuclear option” and the possible “decider bump” could certainly help cement his appeal to the latter.

  • Keith Mitchell43

    look obamacare makes health insurance more affordable, provide tax subsidies to small business to provide health insurance  to their employess it lift the burden of healthcare of small business. make sure people r not denied of for preexistng conditions and etc if u havent notice the economy always perform better under a democratic president. more jobs have been created in 3 yrs of obama than the entire 8 yrs of bush. democrats must be doing something right.

  • HawkCW4

    As always,  there is that    WHATS LEGAL  &   WHATS RIGHT.    Libs love to demand we stick to the law, and are they great at interpretations of laws.   Makes em feel good when they feel a need to rape the country, BECAUSE WE THINK ITS LEGAL.  

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    Read your Ninth Amendment

    Without the Ninth Amendment we would be at the mercy of a federal government with virtually unfettered power over us. The federal government, using its power to regulate interstate commerce, could order us to buy General Motors products to help GM out of its economic crisis. We could be told where to live or work. These reserved rights, and others too numerous to list, would be taken from us all in the name of regulating interstate commerce. If you doubt this, consider how nearly everything we eat, drink, wear or use comes to us via interstate commerce. Add in our now mandatory Auto Insurance scam which was sold on the “belief” Insurance would than cost less and those not having it will be prosecuted..hows that working out for ya? Which insurance policy will you be buying into?

  • http://mitchdworkin.com/ Mitch Dworkin

    I really hope that Obama listens to Bill Clinton because I doubt that Clinton will agree to try and sell another Obama budget surrender treaty to the GOP like how he did last December when Obama could not sell it to Congress himself.  I think that Bill Clinton clearly has the right solution if all talks fail and/or if Obama cannot get a serious compromise deal that is truly fair!

    Mitch DworkinDallas, Texas

  • Anonymous

    Love the CAPs, mr. (or is it ms.?) hawk.  You sound like a self-taught constitutional law scholar. Cons seem to have their share of those, especially among the assorted spokes model copy readers and pundits over at Murdoch TV. 

  • Anonymous

    Your logic is impeccable. True leaders never compromise. Like when Dubya and the Republican Congress ran things and never cared about the debt.  Good times. 

  • Mark Causey

    Don’t forget the ex-President Clinton left office with a budget surplus and the Bushies pissed it away…

  • http://www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc/ DavidKramer

    The Clinton Surplus Myth

    ~While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President
    Bush, it’s curious to see Clinton’s record promoted as having generated a
    surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus
    and the
    facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion
    reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion.

    As can clearly be seen, in no year did the national debt go down, nor
    did Clinton leave President Bush with a surplus that Bush subsequently
    turned into a deficit. Yes, the deficit was almost eliminated in
    FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of “only” $17.9
    billion), but it never reached zero–let alone a positive surplus
    number. And Clinton’s last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in
    September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit. The growing
    deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the
    first year of the Bush administration.~

    Read more at the link. By the way, the Myth that Clinton had a surplus has now been proven by the VERY numbers from the Treasury Dept.

    So run along now.

  • Dik Gozinya

    Taking advice from some idiot that married Hillary Clinton and getting himself impeached seems normal for this Administration.

  • Bubblebubbles

    Anyone that refers to Bill Clinton as an idiot  IS ONE BIG IDIOT!!!! He left this Country in great shape. Then President  Bush came in for eight years and distroyed all that Clinton left. He is a brilliant man and President Obama whom I  like immensly would be wise to take the advise of a very logical intellegent man.
    Bubblebubbles 

  • Dik Gozinya

    Yo BubbaBubba!

    Toothless Hill-Apes such yourself and the other ‘Bubba (he of the ceegar legacy) should be more about exportin’ your blind-fiddle playin’ kinfolk’s culture to the Peoples Republlic of China or some such endeavor rather than gettin’ your KKKonfederate-panties in a bunch over the Honkiest White Boy ‘Prez to ever humor this nation. He was a laugh riot that’s never not humorous!

  • Dik Gozinya

    Yo BubbaBubba!

    Toothless Hill-Apes such yourself and the other ‘Bubba (he of the ceegar legacy) should be more about exportin’ your blind-fiddle playin’ kinfolk’s culture to the Peoples Republlic of China or some such endeavor rather than gettin’ your KKKonfederate-panties in a bunch over the Honkiest White Boy ‘Prez to ever humor this nation. He was a laugh riot that’s never not humorous!

  • Oldangsign

    If we don’t start buying what products this country has,it will be totally finished.  Most of the products are being made in another country now as it is.   There has got to be sealing’s on things to avoid  over paying, and we are certainly doing that right now.  Why are people not buying? Food has gone up and up until family’s can hardly get enough to eat let alone buying anything else. One has to be in a blue collar worker  family             to know just hard it is to struggle by now.

  • JRD

    YOU ARE A CRAZY LIAR! AND MOST LIKELY A DAMNED REPUBLICAN PERPETUATING LIES!

  • JRD

    You should call yourself “caca-nservative” because that’s the line of s—- you’re pushing!

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    totally agree. What is not controlled through Government by the Constitution should be left in the hands of the people. Trade barriers should be back in place to end the flooding of products we embraced during Reagan years and on. Free trade my ass. It’s pushing it back right in our face. Quit all these damn regulations on our countries business, pushing prices up. We use to be a nation that made everything. Now our Gross product is selling Debt and those regulations? we all want?? are not followed on imports. so whats the point?

    Old politicians got us tied into taxation and figured they would throw us a bone by starting social security and medicare so they could continue taxation at absurd costs, which btw we broke from another nation for the same reason… Old voters agreed and been paying all their lives to be told umm we don’t have the money.

    New politicians think well, we can pull this away now and start another heatlhcare plan and FORCE the people even the poverish to “buy” into this plan and we can go as far as prosecuting them if they do not bow to our wishes and getting their own insurance from bendors we will point out to them? Possibly even imprison if they don’t? Please note that “not one” Politician making these laws uses those services they put on you nor shows to be using Obamacare in the future. They voted for their OWN plans. Remember when becoming a doctor was to help people? being in congress was for the people? I sure can’t!

    The Ninth tells government to let the damn people alone and allow private means dictate to our Capitalistic society. We already have Auto Insurance sky rocketing which was a theory that wouldn’t happen with government making it a law to have. Now we want to do the same in the Medical field. it’s total nonsense Just fix the loop holes in Medicare and price ceilings on the Medical field.. notice all that nice new italian marble in the last update of your local hospital? simply amazing. All you want is them to fix your broken arm and not charge you the price of your last home.

    As the nonsense to use the 14th as a tool against republicans. Both sides don’t mind how it goes. You can not keep spending. we are at 14 going to 15 trillion in debt. does our credit score go lower if we default? hell, it should..how does your credit score topple when you over spend and can’t cover? we bailed out banks, who went right back to their old ways! who bails us out? The Asylum is being run by the insane. nothing makes sense anymore and both sides lie and do not hold to their political pledges. How the hell do they keep their jobs?

    Enough spending and expanding our “EMPIRE” and take care of those at home and within a budget just like you and I live. Buy products that produce jobs in America and ignore those that use the system of taking jobs overseas and bringing their product back. it’s a total wash from both party sides.. both truely want to continue ruining America, thru Government spending including bailing out banks , neither seems serious if they can pass the blame on the other party. End the FED and IRS! get back on track and quit making us a third world country. If money wants to go overseas, tax the hell out of them when they bring back the product so they start using american workers again. you watch, Republicans will fold And DC will go on ruining America. While the President will hold checks owed on the elderly while the money is in his pockets and special interests. shame..total shame..

  • paljusty

    Is there ANY way Clinton can be prez again??? Money was sure rolling in when he was in office.

  • Ghostme15

    I BELIEVE  THE REPUBLICAN  GOP HAS MADE THREATS TO THE DEMOCRATS

  • sugarnspice0844

    Where on earth do you come from?  Your information is entirely off the wall !!!

  • http://www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc/ DavidKramer

    There you go! Way to bring out those HUGE guns of facts, OH WAIT!
    The numbers are from the treasury department.

  • http://www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc/ DavidKramer

    Not my information, information directly from the treasury department.
    If you refute the facts, check them yourself. The author quotes right from the TD. So, deal with it or not.

  • Cstewart

    What does the 9th Amendment have to do with what the original poster was saying. BTW the ONLY Amendments that have had substantial limitations on the federal govt.’s power are the 14th Amendment (equal protection/fundamental rights), 5th Amendment (Due process/fundamental rights), and 10th Amendment( state limitations-Dormant Commerce Clause). The 9th Amendment is merely used as a tool of statutory interpretation for the 14th Amendment so that enumerated,fundamental rights are not later taken away by virtue of statutes. No judicial opinion has ever been founded on the basis of the 9th Amendment because the rights described their are vague and not enumerated. The fact that the federal govt. has not ordered us to strictly by products from GM in an economic crisis would negate the political framework of our democracy.

  • Cstewart

    I totally disagree! Bush is! He is the reason we are in the position that we are in now. He pissed away billions of taxpayers dollars to find Hussein (who had nothing to do with 9/11, and therefore there was no justification for entering Iraq in the first place). Cleaning up his mess, his neglect of the American people to pursue a personal vendetta was a monstrous thing to do!

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    The 9th Amendment is merely used as a tool of statutory interpretation for the 14th Amendment so that enumerated,fundamental rights are not later taken away by virtue of statutes. No judicial opinion has ever been founded on the basis of the 9th Amendment because the rights described their are vague and not enumerated.

    Nor has the 14th been used in the way Clinton mentioned. The point of the 9th? leave Americans alone and don’t dictate to what they use if not specifically included into the Constitution..Obamacare will dictate with suggestion on which insurance to buy. Personally, I think the 9th should have been used with and when Auto Insurance was mandated. As you say, the 9th is vague in jurisdiction and interpetation. we all have ours and unless tested, they are both mute here.

  • http://www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc/ DavidKramer

    Yes, that is why Obama has pulled out the troops…………oh WAIT!

  • Cstewart

    Those are two different topics, though. The way Clinton is suggesting the 14th Amendment be used has never been seriously considered. You are suggesting that the 9th Amendment is currently the constitutional embodiment that prevents the federal govt. from intruding upon our personal liberties. It is not used for that purpose and never has been used that way. What protects us is the 14th, 5th, and 10th Amendments,and the checks and balances system of the federal govt. By the federal govt. I include the Supreme Court, District Courts, the President, and Congress. Much of the battle over protecting personal liberties has been between the states and federal govt. in regards to these Amendments. The states took away much more of our liberties than what the federal govt. ever did. The federal govt. had to outlaw slavery, uphold civil rights, protect abortion rights, and protect our freedom of speech. We cannot live in an ungoverned society. Personal liberties are regulated and also protected so that they are not abused by corporations, the states, and those who are not knowledgeable about the law (those who are lawyers, businessmen etc).  It will be either the states or federal govt. that will have the most power in determining what personal liberties we shall have. Based on our history, I trust the federal govt. in upholding our personal liberties and rights, way more than the states.

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    ran out of reply buttons..so end here..

    Those are two different topics, though. The way Clinton is suggesting the 14th Amendment be used has never been seriously considered. You are suggesting that the 9th Amendment is currently the constitutional embodiment that prevents the federal govt. from intruding upon our personal liberties.

    At:Cstewart I only mentioned the 9th when someone insisted Obamacare was good for us…
    due to a government making you buy a product. Insurance “is” a product and is not enumerated in the Constitution. I would suggest adding the 9th before deciding your so dead against it as help…
    Well, unless you rather accept the must buy deal..I personally don’t like it.
    That’s why we have courts..Once again, 14th or 9th have neither been tested for either case.

  • Vasooner

    Without casting dispersions on either political party Americans cannot be
    happy about how our congressional branch of the government is treating the
    American public. We all agree that the budget needs to be cut, most agree
    something has to be done to re-structure social security and Medicare/Medicaid
    and most sane people know that we must have a more equitable (fair) tax system
    that makes the super rich pay more in taxes.

    That said, this entire Keystone Kops episode now playing in Washington to
    raise the debt ceiling reminds me of the classic scene in the famous Animal
    House movie where the fledging freshman Chip Diller (played by Kevin Bacon) is
    pledging to the Omega fraternity during rush week. As he bends down in
    submission (in his underwear) the sadistic Omega president “Neidermeyer”, with a
    Roosevelt style cigarette holder clenched in his teeth and a wild look in his
    eyes applies a severe paddling to the hapless Chip Diller while Diller is
    screaming “THANK YOU SIR…MAY I HAVE ANOTHER”!

    I like to think that “Neidermeyer” represents Congress and Chip Diller
    represents the American people. I leave it to others to make their own
    conclusions.

  • Lo_in_distress

    You are a fool Davidkramer who doesn’t even understand the basics of either government or civilization. You are too stupid to be one of the 1% of people that the GOP represents so the question of you being a follower and teat sucker is obvious. You, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and the Rupert Murdock should all figure out that my rights trump your rights per the Constitition but we give those up through our representatives. The Debt ceiling is simply acknowledging money already SPENT and not to be spent. Fool

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RAU7ABIBYQO6XJXUFVUMP3TDAA david glenn

    hmmmm this does raise a interesting question… the 14th amendment doesnt stipulate one way or the other this particular question.. although the 8th amendment does…. President Clinton did leave office and Bush/Cheney did leave office with a huge deficit which many are blaming President Obama for… remember President Reagan also raised taxes seven times leaving office while cutting taxes once…. they were only a few fraction of a percentage point lower than when he took office….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RAU7ABIBYQO6XJXUFVUMP3TDAA david glenn

    and as some are talking about why dont we do a flat tax…. get rid of the myriad federal taxes,  and let each person pay their equal share, no gradations, no loopholes, no business free of taxes,, let ppl and businesses pay their fare share of tax…. whether minimum wage earners, or billionaires, who some havent paid one penny of taxes in years,

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    - Employment: 1994- Founder / President Non-Profit Corporation exempt by IRS 501c3 status in 1994
    Orange County Taxicab works CORP. (P.S.42 CO. World Nation Join tighter)
    - 1994-1999: Provided needy people giving free transportation service.
    - 1995-1996: Members of Committee THE BOARD about Vehicle for Hire for Hire Task Force Orange County, FL USA
    - Sponsored the City of OCOEE, FL Local needy children HOME BOYS basketball Team to HOOP IT UP SEA WORLD ORLANDO, FL
    - 1995 : ORANGE COUNTY, FL Citizen’s join 1 week Huge Yard Sale with 100% of Profits going to Hospice, Heart leaf Farms, Char lee of Central, FL and Association Of the Central FL POLICE.
    Jay Lee Family built Easter Baskets for local needy children’s Homes.
     
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    -2008 :Jay Lee Family hope Foundation(Corp.)
    Founder: Jay Lee Family et al.
    Headquarters: Central, FL (Temporary Office Bluefield, WV USA
    Slogan: Hope for Promised Land lights Signal
    Email At: jayyejay@gmail.com
     
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    Jay Lee  Google-Search
     
     
     
    나는 GOV를 들어와서 OCOEE, FL 34761 미국에서 귀하의 도움말 2004 년 허리케인 가족이 필요합니다. 사기 심사 위원을 억제! 6 년 동안 노숙자들이 저한테 거기서 당신에게 당신이 내 가족이 필요해이 언젠가 도움말
    내 손자를 데리고 신탁 기금 10 달러 기부를 설정하는 제이 리주의는 지금 집에 챌린지를 반환합니다! 2004 허리케인 야경, 프랜시스, 생존자는 기부를받을 추구 설정합니다.
     
    - 유튜브, Jaylee6038 : 단어가 참조 확산 Google 검색을 보관하시기 바랍니다
    KNIGHTNEWS.COM – 미디어 / 뉴스 / 출판사 – 올랜도 – 링크
    WGN 라디오 720에 시카고 컵스 라디오, 제이 리 – 구글 +, CBS 로스 angles-Media/News/Publishing-Studio시, CA – 장성 … 마이애미 직행 페이 스북 (Facebook), 데일리 베스트 토크쇼 티나 브라운, 러쉬 Limbaugh, ESPN 에린 앤드루스, 미국 의회 , 언론 NBC, 앤더슨 쿠퍼 360, ABC 굿모닝 아메리카, ABC 월드 뉴스 미스 소이어, 20분의 20, 나이트 / ABC 뉴스 특가 상품, 록산 바가스 NBC 마이애미, 멜리사 스미스 WPBN – WTOM TV 7 & 4 뉴스, 페이스 북의 마크 주커 버그 CEO들을 만나보세요 미국 외의 소리 않습니다
     
    미국 세트 신탁 기금을 도와주십시오? 다음시 한 마을이 단어를 확산, 친구, 정보 혜택을 누릴 수 있습니다 가정의 / 동료에 단어를 확산 보관하시기 바랍니다. 우리는 페이스 북에서 공유됩니다. “모금은 $ 10주고가 미국 대법원 사건이 # 10-9061 UP 이길 수”법과 규칙 또는 미디어, 의회, 포브스, 오신 것을 환영합니다 첫번째 수상자 1 “대법원은 이전 사건 법률 방법 보너스 지원 모금 전문가 그룹이 포함주세요 전복해야” 만. 두번째 겨울 10만달러 각 (10 겨울). 3nd 수상작 만달러 각 (100 수상자) $ 10 1 티켓을 수상하기 위해 보낼 수 있습니다. 10,000 티켓 전용 기금 모금은 [는 각 숫자 1을 얻을 달러의 PSeach 10 기부] 10 만 달러를 도전 당신은 우리가 단어를 확산 도움을 주셔서 감사합니다 역사 “성조기에 대한 토지”의 일부에 대해 실제 거래를. 당신 1 모두 아름답습니다 …! “인생은 짧습니다. 우리는 더 살 수 신이여 미국을 축복 하소서 “로 보내주십시오”하나님의 영광이 우리에게 가져다 가입 “. 메일링 주소를 AT, 손자로 돌아가기 홈 도전 제이 H. 리 207 TULIP ST BLUEFIELD, WV 24701 미국
    신의 가호가 있기를. 당신은 친구에게 사랑하는 자유, 안전, 동등한 정의의 지원 토지에 대한 좋은 원인을했습니다. 2011년 11월 29일 / S / jayhlee을 Recommitted
     
    제이 리 센트럴 플로리다 프로필
     
    - 고용 : 1994년부터 1994년까지에 국세청 501c3 상태로 면제 설립자 / 회장 비영리 법인
    오렌지 카운티 택시 작품 주식 회사 (PS42 (주) 세계 국가 어깨 가입)
    - 1994년부터 1999년까지 : 무료 교통 서비스 제공이 필요한 사람을 제공했습니다.
    - 1995-1996 : 대여 작업을 강제 오렌지 카운티에 대한 대여 차량에 대한위원회의 회원들은 보드, FL 미국
    - OCOEE, 후프 IT를 최대 FL 지역 저소득층 어린이 홈 남자 농구 팀의시 SEA WORLD 올랜도, FL을 스폰서
    - 1995 : 오렌지 카운티는, FL 시민 수익의 100 %가 호스피스, 심장 잎 농장, 중앙의 숯불 리, 중앙 플로리다 경찰 FL 및 협회 갈로 일주 거대한 야드 세일에 참여.
    제이 리 가족 지역 저소득층 자녀 가정을위한 부활절 바구니를 만들었습니다.
     
    Jaylee6038 – Google 검색
     
    -2008 : 제이 리 가족 희망 재단 (주식 회사)
    창립자 : 제이 리 가족 외.
    본사 : 중앙, FL (임시 사무실 Bluefield, WV 미국
    슬로건 : 약속의 땅 조명에 대한 희망이 신호
    에서 이메일 : jayyejay@gmail.com
     
    안녕하세요 소녀 도움이 2011년 11월 17일 / S / jayhlee 필요
    RE : 기금 모금에 대한 ABC 뉴스는 아마도 에어
     
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    오후 6시 51분에 dateSun, 2011년 11월 13일
    subjectRE : 기금 모금에 대한 ABC 뉴스 아마 에어
    우편 – bybounce.linkedin.com
    서명 – bylinkedin.com
    주로 때문에 메시지에서 단어 중요합니다.
     
    자세한 내용은 오후 6시 51분를 (20 시간 전) 숨기기
     
    링크드 인
    짐 서덜랜드는 메시지를 보냈습니다.
    날짜 : 2011년 11월 13일
    제목 : RE : 기금 모금에 대한 ABC 뉴스는 아마도 에어
    제발 내게 스팸 않는다
     
    11/10/11 오전 10시에서 제이 리 썼다 :
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    내가 처음 만 티켓 – 먼저 필요한 긴급한 기부에만 $ 10 1 티켓 수상하다
    누구나
    . 목요일 10 제이 리, 오전 10:15 11 월 2011. 속도로 우편 주소, 제이 H. 리 207 TULIP ST BLUEFIELD, WV에서 24701 미국 이메일 : jayyejay@gmail.com 당신이 $ 10 당신은 수백만 달러를 이길 수 일 티켓을 수상하기 위해 보낼 수 있습니다. 당신을위한 실제 거래는 우리가 단어를 확산 도움을 주셔서 감사합니다 역사 “성조기에 대한 토지 ‘의 일부다. 당신 1 모두 아름답습니다 …! “인생은 짧습니다. 우리는 더 살 수있다. “하나님의 영광 신이여 미국을 축복 하소서 가져 우리와 함께
     
    신의 가호가 있기를. 당신은 친구에게 사랑하는 자유, 안전, 동등한 정의의 지원 토지에 대한 좋은 원인을했습니다. 추신 내가 처음 만 티켓 와서 먼저 필요한 긴급한 기부에만 1 티켓 모두받은 $ 10주고 …!!! / S / jayhlee
    2011년 12월 1일 “미국 Recommitted 주소 : “손자로 돌아가기 홈 챌린지”제이 H. 리 207 튤립 ST, Bluefield, WV 24701 미국
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     bounce.grassroots.com 통해 fromAmbassador 한 Duk – 지수의 koreausactioncenter@gmail.com
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     오전 11시 38분에서 dateThu, 2011년 11월 17일
     한미 무역을 지원하기위한 subjectThank 의회
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     친애하는 제이,
     
     
     의회가 압도적으로 미를 비준 이후 몇 주되었습니다 자유 무역 협정.상원과 하원에서 278 예 투표에서 83 예 투표를 통해, 우리 선출된 공무원은 의회 강도와 bipartisanship의 진정한 디스플레이 함께 왔어요. 당신의 전화와 문자들이 의사 결정에 얼마나 중요한 그들의 대부분에서 들었어요.
     한미 무역 지원에 모든 노력을 위해, 나는 당신이 대표로 짧은 메모를 보내 “감사”라고하는 것이 좋습니다.
     귀하의 선출된 공무원은 계약에 찬성하지 않았더라도, 당신은 여전히 ​​그들에게 편지를 보내야합니다. 당신이 한미 관계를 지원하기 위해 지속적으로 그들을 알려주 당신도 그들 바랍니다.
     다시 한번, 노력에 대해 감사 당신은 결승점을 통과하는 것을 허용 한미 했어요.한미 관계가 지속적으로 성장으로 난 당신과 연락을 유지할 수 있도록 최선을 다하겠습니다.
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     자세한 내용은 법무부, 워싱턴 DC에서 확인할 수 있습니다
     
     
    Thank Congress for supporting U.S.-Korea tradeXInboxX Reply |Ambassador Han Duk-soo via bounce.grassroots.com to me show details Nov 17 (4 days ago)  fromAmbassador Han Duk-soo koreausactioncenter@gmail.com via bounce.grassroots.com tojayyejay@gmail.com dateThu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:38 AMsubjectThank Congress for supporting U.S.-Korea trade
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    Dear Jay,
     
     
    It has been several weeks since Congress overwhelmingly ratified the Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement. With 83 yes votes in the Senate and 278 yes votes in the House, our elected officials came together in a true display of Congressional strength and bipartisanship. I’ve heard from many of them how important your calls and letters were to their decision making.
    For all their efforts in support of U.S.-Korea trade, I encourage you to say “thanks” by sending a short note to your delegation.
    Even if your elected officials did not vote in favor of the agreement, you should still send them a letter. Let them know that you will continue to support U.S.-Korea relations and you hope they will, too.
    Once again, thanks for the hard work you did that allowed KORUS to cross the finish line. I look forward to keeping in touch with you as the U.S.-Korea relationship continues to grow.
    Ambassador Han Duk-soo
     
          
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    Dear, My Homeland Brother and Sister…!!! You need Jay H. Lee, I There for My Homeland…!!! My Homeland Sister and Brother…??? I need your Help Join “Grandchild Return Home Challenge” US Mailing Address:Jay H. Lee 207 Tulip ST, Bluefield, WV 24701 USA
    Real deal for you is Part of history “Land about the star-spangled Banner”     ”Rule of Law”
    Equal care to all people regardless of their color or county and Equal Justice. WE Must
    See. Articles of Impeachment Petitioner hereby certifies that the foregoing Petition for Articles of Impeachment flagrant abuses Judges and steps of Courts Was Submitted in good faith and not for purpose of delay.
    I declare under penalty of perjury that the fore going true and correct.
     
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    Next President We send to THE WHITE HOUSE
    By Jay Lee
    Savannah Guthrie Comes Out Swinging On “Meet The Press”
    “We’re going to have a Choice, and it’s going to be based on some very simple values,”
    Yes…!!! Simple Values Equal Care all American” next President We send to THE WHITE HOUSE…!!!” We’re going to have a Support Land of Free, Safe, equal Care all American to a THE WHITE HOUSE Dear Friend…???
     
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    Thank Congress for supporting U.S.-Korea tradeXInboxX Reply |Ambassador Han Duk-soo via bounce.grassroots.com to me show details Nov 17 (4 days ago)  fromAmbassador Han Duk-soo koreausactioncenter@gmail.com via bounce.grassroots.com tojayyejay@gmail.com
     
    dateThu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM
    subjectThank Congress for supporting U.S.-Korea trade
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    Dear Jay,
     
     
    It has been several weeks since Congress overwhelmingly ratified the Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement. With 83 yes votes in the Senate and 278 yes votes in the House, our elected officials came together in a true display of Congressional strength and bipartisanship. I’ve heard from many of them how important your calls and letters were to their decision making.
    For all their efforts in support of U.S.-Korea trade, I encourage you to say “thanks” by sending a short note to your delegation.
    Even if your elected officials did not vote in favor of the agreement, you should still send them a letter. Let them know that you will continue to support U.S.-Korea relations and you hope they will, too.
    Once again, thanks for the hard work you did that allowed KORUS to cross the finish line. I look forward to keeping in touch with you as the U.S.-Korea relationship continues to grow.
    Ambassador Han Duk-soo
     
          
    Copyright © 2011 Korea-U.S. Trade Partnership | Unsubscribe
     
     
    This material is distributed by DJE, Inc. on behalf of the Embassy of the Republic of Korea.
    Additional information is available at the Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.

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