“Burn A Koran Day” Sparks Protest From Afghan Muslims And General David Petraeus

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by Colby Hall | 8:56 am, September 7th, 2010

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Terry Jones is the pastor of a Gainesville, Florida based Dove World Outreach Center who is planning “International Burn a Koran Day” for next Saturday, September 11, 2010. Not only has this bit of agitprop gained that previously unknown local pastor attention from the U.S. media, but as one can see in the AP video report below, he’s also been burned in effigy outside of a mosque in Kabul, Afghanistan. Oh, and General David Petraeus has condemned him, claiming that the demonstration would “endanger troops,” adding of the protest “It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems.”

Writing for the Washington Post, David Nakamura reports:

“It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems,” Petraeus, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, said in a statement. “Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community.”

The U.S. Embassy in Afghanistan also condemned the Florida church’s plan, saying the Obama administration opposes “acts of disrespect” against Islam.

Petraeus’s comments come a day after 500 residents protested at a Kabul mosque, burning American flags and chanting anti-U.S. slogans.

The Dove World Outreach Center, a 50-member evangelical Christian church in Gainesville, Fla., announced plans to burn the Islamic holy books on Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States. At the Kabul protest, residents burned an effigy of Dove World pastor Terry Jones.

“I am very concerned by the potential repercussions of the possible Koran burning,” Petraeus said. “Even the rumor that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul yesterday. Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult.”

And as the AP reports in the the following video report, nearly 500 Afghanistan citizens gathered outside a Kabul mosque to protest the book burning. So yes, it appears that the planned actions of the Florida minister has brought the U.S. Military and the following protesters somehow in agreement.

Burn A Koran Day, David Patraeus, Dove World Outreach Center, Gen. David Patraeus, General David Patraeus, Terry Jones

Big Eddie

Well , it might be smart to not publicize every wacko who wants to get in the news .
AngelPeters

Big Eddie said:
Well , it might be smart to not publicize every wacko who wants to get in the news .

Agreed.

You cant fix stupid and this is very stupid.
mcf1757

Disgusting, I guess this is what we get when crazies are allowed to dictate the National conversation!
Not Your Typical New Yorker

Burning a koran stupid…?

as stupid as flying jetliners into occupied buildings?

As stupid as sawing off the heads of people still alive and screaming?

As stupid as sawing off womens noses and ears while conscious and alert?….as stupid as that?

As stupid as burying people up to their shoulders in dirt and crushing their heads with thrown rocks, that stupid?

Are we to think that we can actually offend the TENDER SENSIBILITIES of swine such as these?

As long as they act like that, BURN THE KORAN WITH GUSTO!
The Real Royal King

Big Eddie said:
Well , it might be smart to not publicize every wacko who wants to get in the news .

FOX “News” would have to shut down.

WHEN’S O’BECKERHEAD’S NEXT “LIARS’ AND HERETICS’ REVIVAL”?
AND, WHERE AND WHEN BEST TO CO-OPT ANOTHER’S NAME AND ESSENCE?
I’M THINKING BETHLEHEM AROUND THE NEXT CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL,
AIM FOR THE TOP AND ASSUME NOTHING LESS THAN CHRIST’S REAL PRESENCE.
The Real Royal King

mcf1757 said:
Disgusting, I guess this is what we get when crazies are allowed to dictate the National conversation!

And, as if to prove your point, your post is followed immediately by “Not Your Typical New Yorker’s” filth.

WHEN’S O’BECKERHEAD’S NEXT “LIARS’ AND HERETICS’ REVIVAL”?
AND, WHERE AND WHEN BEST TO CO-OPT ANOTHER’S NAME AND ESSENCE?
I’M THINKING BETHLEHEM AROUND THE NEXT CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL,
AIM FOR THE TOP AND ASSUME NOTHING LESS THAN CHRIST’S REAL PRESENCE.
More Liberty

This is a very sensitive subject. But just as the Mosque in lower Manhattan has a Constitutional right to be there, so do these people have a right to protest, burn flags or Korans or whatever they want.
Not Your Typical New Yorker

“…followed immediately by “Not Your Typical New Yorker’s” filth.”

The facts seem to bother you, royal dumbell, that filth isn’t mine, those are facts that belong to the “religion of peace”

Come up for air once in a while and you’ll see.
Hugo Daun

The Real Royal King said:
And, as if to prove your point, your post is followed immediately by “Not Your Typical New Yorker’s” filth.
.

Filth it is, but he only wrote what many of these idiots REALLY believe, after all. Even though he’s clearly disturbed, at least he’s got the courage of his insanely misguided convictions, unlike those who feign outrage and secretly chuckle with glee.
More Liberty

If people have the right to burn US flags in the face of combat veterans, then these people have the right to burn korans.
aztex

Excellent idea! Got a light?
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The Real Royal King

Not Your Typical New Yorker said:
“…followed immediately by “Not Your Typical New Yorker’s” filth.” The facts seem to bother you, royal dumbell, that filth isn’t mine, those are facts that belong to the “religion of peace” Come up for air once in a while and you’ll see.

Facts? I know a couple of dozen Muslims well, and I deal with several hundred Muslims on a regular basis. I have seen that they are more devoted to their families and better parents than the Drop Out Governor and the First Dude, that they are far more devoted to education and learning than any of the 329,178,643 Tea Partiers who congregated in DC, and far more devoted to spiritually-centered life than O’Beckerhead. So, we enrage an entire faith because of the few?

Besides, I thought you radical rightists hung onto every words from the Generals’ Staff. Now, you completely ignore such a reasonable request.

Get your acts together.

WHEN’S O’BECKERHEAD’S NEXT “LIARS’ AND HERETICS’ REVIVAL”?
AND, WHERE AND WHEN BEST TO CO-OPT ANOTHER’S NAME AND ESSENCE?
I’M THINKING BETHLEHEM AROUND THE NEXT CHRISTMAS FESTIVAL,
AIM FOR THE TOP AND ASSUME NOTHING LESS THAN CHRIST’S REAL PRESENCE.
Mr.Papshmer

The kneejerk reaction is to condemn this, but when it comes right down to it, what’s the difference between this guys right to free speech, and a muslim’s right? Is it because we’re afraid that some guy’s going to offend islam? Certain muslims don’t seem to have much of a problem offending America, so why is it always a one way street? I would like to see the people advocating for the GZM, and mocking opponents of the GZM as racist, to defend this guy in Florida. Obviously, that won’t happen, because they’re hypocrites.
jk76

It would have been better if Gen Petraeus or a liason contacted the church before just stating it to a reporter. For someone so smart who doesn’t want the burning to happen, he doesn’t seem to be smart enough to talk directly.

It is ironic how vigorous people speak about similarities in different topics. US Embassy being quoted above.

I would advise against the burning just for the fact we know how fanatical and simplistic alot of Muslims are. We know it could interfere with foreign policy but above all, it could bring out the termites, even if it is a short time period, in which it would adversely affect our military mission. Armed Forces/soldiers above all else.

Islamic propaganda and psy-ops have gotten alot better with more reach. I hope a (fanatical?) Christian can have some common sense here and realize the counter-effects.
Hugo Daun

Not Your Typical New Yorker said:
Hey hugo, your avatar suits you just fine, laddie.

My avatar of Glenn ‘Joker’ Beck suits me, ya think?

Thanks???
newzmaker

This is insane. All religions in America can be mocked, except islam? Aren’t US soldiers placing their lives on the line, to protect our freedoms, including burning the koran, or any other religious book, including the Christian Bible? America needs to not go down the same road as Europeans, and allow islamic radicals to intimidate, by threats of violence. Haven’t the Dems been screaming that the building of the NY mosque, trumps ‘sensitivity?’ Now the Dems demand ‘sensitivity’ for muslims and their koran? Why not be consistent, at least? Personally, I reject special treatment for muslims, based on fear of radicals. If we give up one freedom, to muslims, they will only want to take away more and more of our freedoms, one by one. Sharia law, which goes hand in hand with the teachings of islam, is already being practiced in America, with numerous ‘honor’ killings. Honor killings, which are murder, and other Sharia requirements, are actually considered felonies, if committed by non-muslims. In the best interests of our democratic civilized society and civilized peoples, muslims need to return to their homeland. Period.
mcf1757

Mr.Papshmer

Its not that Muslims would be offended, even though that is a valid concern, I listen when a General says American soldiers lives are at risk because of this! But maybe that’s not important to you!
CosmosDan

We don’t work toward peace by fanning the fires of hatred.
Mr.Papshmer

mcf1757 said:
Mr.Papshmer

Its not that Muslims would be offended, even though that is a valid concern, I listen when a General says American soldiers lives are at risk because of this! But maybe that’s not important to you!

They’re already at risk. They’re already at war. I simply reject the notion that we, as Americans, need to bow to islam or risk violence. Let me ask you this, how would you react if, say, the Mormon Church declared itself off limits for criticism, and then the news media and many prominent politicians told the American people that in fact we should not criticize the Mormon Church because they may become violent.

Point is, if everyone rejected the notion of intimidation by religious crazies instead of curling up into a little ball, the world would be a better place. It’s gotten to the point where if someone blinks wrong, we’re stirring up muslim hatred. Big deal. Hate to tell you guys, but the muslims hated us yesterday, and they’ll hate us tomorrow. No news there.
teufelhunden75

As with the mosque building, I say it’s not about Right to, it’s about Ought to. This Florida pastor ought not to burn the Koran. What happened to turning the other cheek and loving your enemies?
CosmosDan

Maybe we can get religious literature from a lot of religions , the Bible , the Koran, the Gita, etc, and have a burn superstition party. Anybody in?
felixw

It’s a free country and you can burn what you want. But burning the Koran is a pointless protest, and does more harm than good — offending people for no tangible purpose — unless the pastor’s main goal is seeing his name in the news.
aztex

You don’t have to be American, Christian, British, French, Jewish etc. for Islam and Sharia law to call for your death. You just have to be anything other than Muslim. This Koran burning has nothing to do with whether we anger followers of Islam. They are using our own conscience against us. Get a clue!
CosmosDan

Mr.Papshmer said:
They’re already at risk. They’re already at war. I simply reject the notion that we, as Americans, need to bow to islam or risk violence. Let me ask you this, how would you react if, say, the Mormon Church declared itself off limits for criticism, and then the news media and many prominent politicians told the American people that in fact we should not criticize the Mormon Church because they may become violent.

Point is, if everyone rejected the notion of intimidation by religious crazies instead of curling up into a little ball, the world would be a better place. It’s gotten to the point where if someone blinks wrong, we’re stirring up muslim hatred. Big deal. Hate to tell you guys, but the muslims hated us yesterday, and they’ll hate us tomorrow. No news there.

It’s not bowing to Islam to show reasonable intelligent restraint. We hold people responsible for their actions rather than their choice of religion.
OTOH, on some level we need to challenge the rationality of justifying our choices and actions with an appeal to religious beliefs and some book.
CosmosDan

felixw said:
It’s a free country and you can burn what you want. But burning the Koran is a pointless protest, and does more harm than good — offending people for no tangible purpose — unless the pastor’s main goal is seeing his name in the news.

Maybe he can form a club with Fred Phelps. Religious extremists for Jesus. Just for balance.
Mr.Papshmer

aztex said:
You don’t have to be American, Christian, British, French, Jewish etc. for Islam and Sharia law to call for your death. You just have to be anything other than Muslim. This Koran burning has nothing to do with whether we anger followers of Islam. They are using our own conscience against us. Get a clue!

You’re right, aztex. What some people just aren’t getting is that it’s a slippery slope, If one group, no matter how kooky, waives their rights as Americans for the purpose of placating another kooky group, where does that road end?

Actually, I think the koran burning is kind of dumb. But for a high level government official to advocate on behalf of islam is even dumber. As in the GZM debate, it should have been kept local and between private interests.
mcf1757

Hey aztex, can you tell me where Christians believe I’m going if I dont believe what they do?
Mr.Papshmer

mcf1757 said:
Hey aztex, can you tell me where Christians believe I’m going if I dont believe what they do?

Completely irrelevant and a baseless branch of the debate.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Feldman/1158574704 Josh Feldman

I don’t care what you think of Islam, burning the Qu’ran on such a large scale is going to affect our mission in Afghanistan. The Taliban is going to use this as part of their propaganda machine to get innocent children to become killers. Personally, I care too much about the troops to let my feelings on an issues such as this get in the way.
CosmosDan

aztex said:
You don’t have to be American, Christian, British, French, Jewish etc. for Islam and Sharia law to call for your death. You just have to be anything other than Muslim. This Koran burning has nothing to do with whether we anger followers of Islam. They are using our own conscience against us. Get a clue!

So we should surrender our principles? We establish laws and try to apply them evenly, without special concessions to any religion or laws targeting them.

We defend ourselves vigorously and without apology, but with justice in mind rather than revenge. A free society comes with certain inherent risk. We have to be careful to to surrender our freedoms and principles for the sake of security.
Not Your Typical New Yorker

The royal dumbell knows a dozen muslims…well that changes everything doesn’t it?

Stick to your moronic poems dummy…
freddiejg

“More Liberty says:
This is a very sensitive subject. But just as the Mosque in lower Manhattan has a Constitutional right to be there, so do these people have a right to protest, burn flags or Korans or whatever they want.”

Yes, they have a right to build the Muslim center in NYC but everyone keeps saying..”Where’s the SENSITIVITY of these people???” They should just move it in order to be SENSITIVE to Americans. So… Yes, these people have the right to burn a Koran, but how about WHERE is the SENSITIVITY for all our TROOPS of these so-called church people who are going to burn the Koran????
Big_F-ing_Deal

One look at that motherfucker Terry Jones and you can tell he’s a hardass motherfucker without a Christian bone in his body.

You know, like most Christians.
newzmaker

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
One look at that motherfucker Terry Jones and you can tell he’s a hardass motherfucker without a Christian bone in his body.

You know, like most Christians.

Yet, your kind appeases radical muslims, by remaining silent on their acts of violence.
Pablo

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
One look at that motherfucker Terry Jones and you can tell he’s a hardass motherfucker without a Christian bone in his body.

You know, like most Christians.

Not Obama, though. You can tell he’s a candyass.
Mr.Papshmer

Doesn’t matter if he’s a Christian, a fake Christian, a Druid, or Odin himself. Doesn’t matter if he’s dumb as a rock, or a nuclear physicist. You’re simply moving off topic, because you can’t intelligently defend your position.
MiddleRoader

Not Your Typical New Yorker said:
As long as they act like that, BURN THE KORAN WITH GUSTO!

Please tell me what good exactly will come out of this?

CosmosDan said:
We don’t work toward peace by fanning the fires of hatred.

Exactly. It lowers ourselves to their level of hatred. As with the community center shows we are fighting, amongst ourselves, over a piece of land. Hmm, who else is doing that?

More Liberty said:
If people have the right to burn US flags in the face of combat veterans, then these people have the right to burn korans.

It’s not US soldiers burning the Koran. It’s some lunatic (Christian) religious idiot, that is supposed to be an example of love, understanding and most of all forgiveness.

newzmaker said:
Yet, your kind appeases radical muslims, by remaining silent on their acts of violence.

Remain silent? We went to war over this! What stronger message can be sent?

On a different note….

felixw said:
It’s a free country and you can burn what you want. But burning the Koran is a pointless protest, and does more harm than good — offending people for no tangible purpose — unless the pastor’s main goal is seeing his name in the news.

CosmosDan said:
We defend ourselves vigorously and without apology, but with justice in mind rather than revenge. A free society comes with certain inherent risk. We have to be careful to not (fixed it for you) surrender our freedoms and principles for the sake of security.

freddiejg said:
Yes, they have a right to build the Muslim center in NYC but everyone keeps saying..”Where’s the SENSITIVITY of these people???” They should just move it in order to be SENSITIVE to Americans. So… Yes, these people have the right to burn a Koran, but how about WHERE is the SENSITIVITY for all our TROOPS of these so-called church people who are going to burn the Koran????

Thank you. I couldn’t have said it better myself to all 3 of these.

Politics will not bring armageddon. Religion will. The root of all evil twisted by the radical extremists from the 3 major religions.
Haimerej

I have no problem with this.

If anything, this will expose the left for the hypocrites that they are. Are they going to defend these people’s rights of freedom of expression? Doubt it.
MiddleRoader

CosmosDan said:
Maybe we can get religious literature from a lot of religions , the Bible , the Koran, the Gita, etc, and have a burn superstition party. Anybody in?

Count me in.
MiddleRoader

Haimerej said:
I have no problem with this.

If anything, this will expose the left for the hypocrites that they are. Are they going to defend these people’s rights of freedom of expression? Doubt it.

Don’t be even more stupid. No one is arguing that they have/have not the *right* to do it. It’s whether or not it is smart to do so, for many reasons. Especially, IMO, the safety of the troops and the show of lack of intolerance towards religious freedom the US offers.
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MiddleRoader said:
Remain silent? We went to war over this! What stronger message can be sent?

Actually, I was referring to cowardly liberals, who would rather surrender to the enemy, than protect our freedoms.
notsofast

Well, it’s at least better than the Muslims’ “Burn an American Day”.
http://TheDividedStatesBlog.com Publius219

Why do Republicans want to kill our troops? Why do they hate America?
MiddleRoader

newzmaker said:
Actually, I was referring to cowardly liberals, who would rather surrender to the enemy, than protect our freedoms.

How exactly do you mean surrender to the enemy?
MiddleRoader

Publius219 said:
Why do Republicans want to kill our troops? Why do they hate America?

I don’t think it’s republicans. Just ignorant, fearful people in general. Albeit mostly the god fearing, forgiving type but mostly the fearful.
newzmaker

MiddleRoader said:
How exactly do you mean surrender to the enemy?

The very idiots whom were saying on this very blog, that the families of the victims of 9-11, needed to shut up and allow freedom of religion to take place, with the building of the mosque at GZ, are now bitching about the burning of the koran. Either be consistent about supporting our freedoms, or just shut the hell up.
newzmaker

Australia had no problem with telling followers of Sharia law, to basically get their asses out of its country. We, as Americans, must do this also. The pandering feds surely won’t.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1445181.htm
MiddleRoader

newzmaker said:
The very idiots whom were saying on this very blog, that the families of the victims of 9-11, needed to shut up and allow freedom of religion to take place, with the building of the mosque at GZ, are now bitching about the burning of the koran. Either be consistent about supporting our freedoms, or just shut the hell up.

But don’t you see it’s not about freedom of speech? It’s about tolerance. And burning of the Koran, while they have the right to, isn’t tolerance. Not only that, but it’s dangerous. It sends the same message that the radical muslims send when they burn the american flag. Hate begets hate. We as americans are supposed to be above that. That is why we are a great country.

I’m sorry but I don’t think the mosque (community center) is exactly a good example of surrendering to the enemy when their board of directors had people of all faiths. Personally, I don’t have a problem with the protest of it. But I do have a problem with the fact that it appeared that the majority of people opposing it are in fear of Islamic takeover of this country. That is fear based and if they believe this country is built on strong christian belief system, why such fear for Islamic takeover? Maybe just plain old prejudice. To which we all have a little and some have a lot of.
MiddleRoader

newzmaker said:
Australia had no problem with telling followers of Sharia law, to basically get their asses out of its country. We, as Americans, must do this also. The pandering feds surely won’t.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1445181.htm

Is it possible that the muslims that fled their country, was partly do to with getting away from Sharia law and be able to practice their faith in a peaceful way? Look, there is no way they can come to this country and legally stone someone to death etc. They would definitely be up to more resistance even by your so called pandering feds and leftists. The very leftists that fought for women and minority equality. Even the left does not want to go back to the stone age (no pun intended).
CosmosDan

newzmaker said:
The very idiots whom were saying on this very blog, that the families of the victims of 9-11, needed to shut up and allow freedom of religion to take place, with the building of the mosque at GZ, are now bitching about the burning of the koran. Either be consistent about supporting our freedoms, or just shut the hell up.

There some differences but you make a valid point. If they want to fan the fires of hatred it’s thier right.
zombietimeshare

Easy solution. Drop a Koran in a jar of pee and call it “Piss Mohammad.”

You can call it art and collect a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts.

Problem solved. Next!
Mr.Papshmer

MiddleRoader said:
But don’t you see it’s not about freedom of speech? It’s about tolerance. And burning of the Koran, while they have the right to, isn’t tolerance. Not only that, but it’s dangerous. It sends the same message that the radical muslims send when they burn the american flag. Hate begets hate. We as americans are supposed to be above that. That is why we are a great country.

I’m sorry but I don’t think the mosque (community center) is exactly a good example of surrendering to the enemy when their board of directors had people of all faiths. Personally, I don’t have a problem with the protest of it. But I do have a problem with the fact that it appeared that the majority of people opposing it are in fear of Islamic takeover of this country. That is fear based and if they believe this country is built on strong christian belief system, why such fear for Islamic takeover? Maybe just plain old prejudice. To which we all have a little and some have a lot of.

Muslims have hated Americans for well over a quarter century, long before we entered Afghanistan, and not burning korans is not going to make them hate us any less. The quicker people understand this, the faster we can deal with reality. It may be uncomfortable to acknowledge, but muslims have been at the terrorism game for a long time, and what most people call “muslim extremists” are more mainstream islam than you may think. Oh, maybe most of them don’t have the conviction to do a suicide mission, but most don’t have any problem cheering on those who do.

The wrong approach is to placate these people. Each time something happens that they can use as some off the wall, remote example of offending islam, they’ll start in with the flag burning, and yell how mad and offended they are, and that they can’t wait to kill people because of it. Does this sound normal? Does this sound like the type of people we should be bending over backward not to offend? It sounds to me like a screwball religion that needs to be mocked. Seriously, does any thinking person within the sound of my typing actually believe that suicide bombers are going to wind up in heaven with forty virgins and a mule? It’s beyond ridiculous, yet, rather than send the message that normal, thinking humans rank the koran right behind Betty & Veronica comic books, we prefer to send the message that we’re perfectly willing to be intimidated by a bunch of heat stroke victims who can’t seem to leave the seventh century, and whose goal in life is to walk around a rock in Mecca. Why? For decades, “deep thinkers” have no problem mocking Christianity, but won’t touch islam. It’s beyond hypocritical, and it doesn’t get any more cowardly.
CosmosDan

newzmaker said:
Australia had no problem with telling followers of Sharia law, to basically get their asses out of its country. We, as Americans, must do this also. The pandering feds surely won’t.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1445181.htm

I read it. That’s actually not what is says. He says if they choose to become citizens , live there, raise thier children, he expects them to learn about the county, it’s history, laws and customsm, and become a part of the community. He invites them to practice thier religion freely and in peace. He also reserves the right to discover what they are teaching in the Mosques and schools. Seems reasonable.

Freedom of religon means people get to follow thier religious traditions as long as they are not harming anyone or breakng existing laws.
CosmosDan

Mr.Papshmer said:
Muslims have hated Americans for well over a quarter century, long before we entered Afghanistan, and not burning korans is not going to make them hate us any less. The quicker people understand this, the faster we can deal with reality. It may be uncomfortable to acknowledge, but muslims have been at the terrorism game for a long time, and what most people call “muslim extremists” are more mainstream islam than you may think. Oh, maybe most of them don’t have the conviction to do a suicide mission, but most don’t have any problem cheering on those who do.

The wrong approach is to placate these people. Each time something happens that they can use as some off the wall, remote example of offending islam, they’ll start in with the flag burning, and yell how mad and offended they are, and that they can’t wait to kill people because of it. Does this sound normal? Does this sound like the type of people we should be bending over backward not to offend? It sounds to me like a screwball religion that needs to be mocked. Seriously, does any thinking person within the sound of my typing actually believe that suicide bombers are going to wind up in heaven with forty virgins and a mule? It’s beyond ridiculous, yet, rather than send the message that normal, thinking humans rank the koran right behind Betty & Veronica comic books, we prefer to send the message that we’re perfectly willing to be intimidated by a bunch of heat stroke victims who can’t seem to leave the seventh century, and whose goal in life is to walk around a rock in Mecca. Why? For decades, “deep thinkers” have no problem mocking Christianity, but won’t touch islam. It’s beyond hypocritical, and it doesn’t get any more cowardly.

You kinda gave up your right to be taken seriously when you cose that screen name.
Deep thinkers have mocked all religion , and religion in general. No book should be seen as anything other than a book. We live by our Constitution and bill of rights. Those are the principles we need to understand and try to live up to. People are held accountable for thier actions. We should not be the thought police.

One of the things Bush said that I agree with was his message to other nations that if they offer shelter and aide to terrorist groups they are guilty. I tend to simplyfy things. If my brother is a criminal and I hide him in my house then I have to accpet the consequences of that choice. If I truly care about him I will do what I can to dissuade him from criminal avctivity and offer him no solace if he makes that choice.
That said, if we expect that from Muslim nations we must also ask it of ourselves. We must work to ensure that our government is not committing crimes in other nations.
Clearbrook

This pastor is about as smart as the people who want to build a mosque right beside the twin towers’ site from 9-11. Pouring salt into the wound or gasoline on a fire is never a good idea. The bible or the koran may be a piece of paper to some, but to others, it is a symbol and they can’t get past that with their mind set. The same can be said about burning the Flag. I won’t deny a person the right to burn the Flag, or a bible, or a koran, but I certainly would advise against it as being something that is more likely to make someone mad than produce any kind of positive results. Each must make their own choice in that, but lets face it, most people, even though they would never admit it, are just plain sheep and will follow men and women like this pastor!

This is meant as an attack. He may think he is attacking Satan, but Satan is using him to attack people. Stand for the truth, sure! But the need to belittle and denigrate is *not* promoting the truth, it is only motivating people to close their ears, close their minds and close their hearts to you. You will not serve truth very well if you have no voice to reach them! So I consider this folly on his part. I find it sad and unfortunately, all too human — fleshly — for those of you with a religious bent in this arguement!

Peace,

;’{P
Haimerej

MiddleRoader said:
Don’t be even more stupid. No one is arguing that they have/have not the *right* to do it. It’s whether or not it is smart to do so, for many reasons. Especially, IMO, the safety of the troops and the show of lack of intolerance towards religious freedom the US offers.

Don’t like it when it’s turned around, huh? Of course they have the right (just like the guys in NYC).

Again though, this is FREEDOM in action. I’m sick of people having a problem with other people and their immediate response being to shut them down.

We can apparently no longer agree to disagree and live and let live. No wonder this country is heading towards totalitarianism.
Pablo

MiddleRoader said:
And burning of the Koran, while they have the right to, isn’t tolerance. Not only that, but it’s dangerous.

I think that’s what they’re getting at. It being dangerous is a problem in and of itself, dontcha think?
CosmosDan

Haimerej said:
I’m sick of people having a problem with other people and their immediate response being to shut them down.

And I’m sick of people who are sick of people who are sick of other people. So there!
Haimerej

Here’s something for the left to ponder-

I think our dealings with the Muslim world reveal a bigotry held by many on the left. For example, the ground zero debate- I was told that protesting a site would be “anti-Islamic” and used by terrorists to recruit people. I was told that it is against freedom of religion. This implies that people in the Middle East are too stupid to separate the difference between a site and their religion.

Furthermore, as this debate shows, we are constantly being told not to offend Muslims because it will apparently drive them into a rage that causes them to kill people. So, apparently Muslims are so unhinged that seeing their book burned (I’ve witnessed the burning of a Bible, as well as a myriad other insults to my religion) will send them into an apoplectic fit and they’ll want to kill us.

Personally, I’d rather “err” on the side of Muslims being rational people that can take the same kind of criticism my own faith has been given.
Haimerej

CosmosDan said:
And I’m sick of people who are sick of people who are sick of other people. So there!

Just don’t try to shut me down and we’ll be alright.
notsofast

Terry Jones is just as nuts as the leader of that other POS group that protests at the funerals of US soldiers. It takes people like Jones to remind us of what trips into dementia, madness and insanity truly look like.
libra blue

So where were these protests by the peaceful moderate Muslims against radical Islam after 9/11, or after Ft. Hood, or after any other Muslim sponsored terrorist attacks in the United States or anywhere else? Did they protest against the senseless murders of Theo van Gogh in Amsterdam or the seven Christians in Nigeria in July? They didn’t say a damned thing, but now they are outraged over the burning of a stupid book.

Are we supposed to sit back silently in fear of retribution like the creators of South Park because these nut cases might blow a fuse? No, the U.S and the rest of the world should call them out and confront them head on as Geraldo said this morning in regards to the white supremacists. Let them know that we won’t be intimidated by their barbaric threats.

Does Petraeus and all the others outraged over the Koran book burning realize that anyone in the United States or anywhere else who does not believe in Islam are already in danger? Why the hell does he think he is over there?
Nachi

Turn off your brain – and enjoy the destruction of thought & the crippling of reason that religious fundamentalism wreaks upon Murcuh’s Moron Belt.
CosmosDan

Haimerej said:
Just don’t try to shut me down and we’ll be alright.

fair enough
CosmosDan

Haimerej said:
Here’s something for the left to ponder-

I think our dealings with the Muslim world reveal a bigotry held by many on the left. For example, the ground zero debate- I was told that protesting a site would be “anti-Islamic” and used by terrorists to recruit people. I was told that it is against freedom of religion. This implies that people in the Middle East are too stupid to separate the difference between a site and their religion.

Furthermore, as this debate shows, we are constantly being told not to offend Muslims because it will apparently drive them into a rage that causes them to kill people. So, apparently Muslims are so unhinged that seeing their book burned (I’ve witnessed the burning of a Bible, as well as a myriad other insults to my religion) will send them into an apoplectic fit and they’ll want to kill us.

Personally, I’d rather “err” on the side of Muslims being rational people that can take the same kind of criticism my own faith has been given.

I think in the case of Park 51 in NYC and in this case as well the left is concerned about the same thing. An irrational fear of all things Islam. Also in both cases the left appers to support religous freedom whether or not they believe.
libra blue

@More Liberty, “If people have the right to burn US flags in the face of combat veterans, then these people have the right to burn korans.”

I agree completely! I guess all those against the Koran burning believe that those terrorists deserve more respect than our veterans or the American people in general. Unbelievable!
CosmosDan

libra blue said:
So where were these protests by the peaceful moderate Muslims against radical Islam after 9/11, or after Ft. Hood, or after any other Muslim sponsored terrorist attacks in the United States or anywhere else? Did they protest against the senseless murders of Theo van Gogh in Amsterdam or the seven Christians in Nigeria in July? They didn’t say a damned thing, but now they are outraged over the burning of a stupid book.

Are peaceful moderate Muslims outraged?

Are we supposed to sit back silently in fear of retribution like the creators of South Park because these nut cases might blow a fuse? No, the U.S and the rest of the world should call them out and confront them head on as Geraldo said this morning in regards to the white supremacists. Let them know that we won’t be intimidated by their barbaric threats.

Nobody is suggesting we sit back quietly. We’re there and fighting aren’t we? It’s a question of smart tactics and not helping their recruters with a protest that serves no purpose except to fan the fires of hatred.

THat said, I don’t think we should ever apologize for having free speech. The state department shoould said, we’re not interested in offending any religion, but we are a nation that allows free speech and protest. Not all Americans feel the same way, but each has a right to express themselves.

Does Petraeus and all the others outraged over the Koran book burning realize that anyone in the United States or anywhere else who does not believe in Islam are already in danger? Why the hell does he think he is over there?

I don’t think outrage is the rights word. This Gainsville church isn’t protesting terrorism, but all of Islam. Petraus is just noting that it doesn’t help the cause in any way, and has the potential to make things worse. They can do it if they want to, but they ought to keep that in mind.
CosmosDan

libra blue said:

I agree completely! I guess all those against the Koran burning believe that those terrorists deserve more respect than our veterans or the American people in general. Unbelievable!

Wow is that wrong! Maybe we just believe in the golden rule , and aren’t interested in throwing out because we got insulted. You don’t justify your own bad behacviour by pointing out “They did it first”

I’m not worried about the Koran burning although I think it’s useless and stupid. People do lots of useless and stupid things though so have at it. Let’s not mistake it for something patriotic or meaningful.
libra blue

CosmosDan, “I don’t think outrage is the rights word. This Gainsville church isn’t protesting terrorism, but all of Islam.”

Thanks for your thoughtful comment. I understand what you are saying, but at the same time many on the left use the first amendment to defend their demonization of all Christians for the actions of what stupid militias or white supremacists do and no one warns anyone not to do it because of any retribution from them, but now they want those that disagree with them to give up their 1st amendment rights.

The pro-Muslim supporters can exercise their freedom of speech to disagree with the burning, but they do not have the right to stop it.

They can’t have it both ways. There is either freedom of speech for all or freedom of speech for no one.
libra blue

@CosmosDan, “Wow is that wrong! Maybe we just believe in the golden rule , and aren’t interested in throwing out because we got insulted. You don’t justify your own bad behacviour by pointing out “They did it first”

I thought you had some common sense. Do you think Muslims believe in the “golden rule”? They don’t respect anyone but themselves. Since when is exercising first amendment rights considered “bad behavior”? You can’t really believe that the pro-Muslim support in this country against those who do not trust the Muslim community is not going to been seen as a victory to these terrorists do you? Of course they will wear it as a badge of victory when they see the pro-Muslim supporters here in the U.S. turning their backs on those defending the innocent victims of 9/11 and other terrorist attacks by Muslims worldwide.

As I asked on an earlier thread, name me one other group who has committed or who has attempted to commit more terrorist attacks in the name of their religion than the Muslim community in the 21st century?
teufelhunden75

libra blue, David Patraeus has been in the military for 40 years and I think he understands better than you why we’re over there. He doesn’t need you. Trust me.
CosmosDan

libra blue said:

Thanks for your thoughtful comment. I understand what you are saying, but at the same time many on the left use the first amendment to defend their demonization of all Christians for the actions of what stupid militias or white supremacists do and no one warns anyone not to do it because of any retribution from them, but now they want those that disagree with them to give up their 1st amendment rights.

I don’t see many people who deminize all of Christianity for the actions of a few. Nobody blames all Baptists for Fred Phelps and his “God hates Fags” hate speech. We realize it’s his crazy little group Same here. I’m not worried because it’s one little extremist group. They can burn all the Korans they want. I do get to say it’s stupid and serves no useful purpose though.

The pro-Muslim supporters can exercise their freedom of speech to disagree with the burning, but they do not have the right to stop it.

I completely agree. Most of them are not even pro Muslim. They’re just anti hate and ignorance. Even the hateful and ignorant have free speech. Muslim , Christian, or anything else.

They can’t have it both ways. There is either freedom of speech for all or freedom of speech for no one.

I agree. The test really comes when you have to support it for those you strongly disagree with.
libra blue

@teufelhunden75, “libra blue, David Patraeus has been in the military for 40 years and I think he understands better than you why we’re over there. He doesn’t need you. Trust me.”

Sorry you were unable to comprehend the sarcasm in my comment.
teufelhunden75

libra blue said:
@teufelhunden75, “libra blue, David Patraeus has been in the military for 40 years and I think he understands better than you why we’re over there. He doesn’t need you. Trust me.”

Sorry you were unable to comprehend the sarcasm in my comment.

sarcasm doesn’t carry over well on the internet.
libra blue

@CosmosDan, Just so you know, I don’t belong to any religion so I am not defending the Christians either. I am an Independent voter in favor of gay rights and a woman’s choice.

However, I have heard a lot of people, many in the media, who insinuate that all Christians are either white supremacists or militia members out to destroy the country. A good example is the way they have characterized the Beck rally as being racist just because it was mostly made up of white Americans or for that matter any group made up of mostly of whites. No one seems to complain much about that. People need to stop demonizing the white race. Anderson Cooper even tried to demonize innocent white children in his stupid “doll test”. That was more than reprehensible.
CosmosDan

libra blue said:

I thought you had some common sense. Do you think Muslims believe in the “golden rule”?

I don’t know what Muslims believe. I’m pretty sure that like most major religions they don’t all believe the same thing. There’s that. Also, it doesn’t matter if they believe in the golden rule or not. I live by my own principles because that’s how I choose to live. I don’t don’t change my principles based on what they believe. Treat people with basic respect and consideration, even if they don’t treat you that way. Don’t stoop to their level. The golden rule doesn’t say ” only if they do to” on the end. It’s like the free speech thng. You extend the golden rule even to people who don’t like you and say bad things about you, because those are your principles. If someone insults my mother I don’t defend her by insulting his mother. That just results in two jackasses instead of one.

They don’t respect anyone but themselves.

Sweeping generalities about a large group is a baaaad idea and almost always incorrect.

Since when is exercising first amendment rights considered “bad behavior”?

Freedom of Speech is a right, but the content of that free speech can certainly be “bad behaviour”
Free speech means I can say horrible things about someone else. It’s stil bad behaviour.

You can’t really believe that the pro-Muslim support in this country against those who do not trust the Muslim community is not going to been seen as a victory to these terrorists do you?

Defending the 1st amendment, promoting tolerence over hate and fear, isn’t distinctly pro Muslim. It’s pro decency, and pro humanity. It’s living by our Constitution when it’s hard and defending the rights I want for myself, for others. I don’t care how others may or may not see it.

Of course they will wear it as a badge of victory when they see the pro-Muslim supporters here in the U.S. turning their backs on those defending the innocent victims of 9/11 and other terrorist attacks by Muslims worldwide.

Their victory would come if we become as hate filled and narrow minded as they are and abandon the principles we claim to defend. The challange is to defend ourselves while not abandoning our principles. To defend ourselves while we work to foster peace,. Hate begets hate and violence begets violence. We have to have the courage to try and stop it.

As I asked on an earlier thread, name me one other group who has committed or who has attempted to commit more terrorist attacks in the name of their religion than the Muslim community in the 21st century?

These can be scary times and we have a serious threat to deal with. It’s still a mistake to blame all Muslims.
The cycle of hate goes like this. Terrorists kill the hated westerners. In turn we invade two countriues, kill tens of thousands of Muslims, including women and children, and blow the crap out of their country while telling them we’re liberating them {that’;s right, we’re liberating the America haters} They look around at their country , the destroyed buildings and bodies in the street and don’t really feel all that liberated. So they hate us some more, and then we hate em right back.

What a great plan.
CosmosDan

libra blue said:
@CosmosDan, Just so you know, I don’t belong to any religion so I am not defending the Christians either. I am an Independent voter in favor of gay rights and a woman’s choice.

However, I have heard a lot of people, many in the media, who insinuate that all Christians are either white supremacists or militia members out to destroy the country

You’ll have to provide some evidence for this claim. I haven’t heard that claim even once in any serious media. Some internet blog doesn’t count as serious media.

.

A good example is the way they have characterized the Beck rally as being racist just because it was mostly made up of white Americans or for that matter any group made up of mostly of whites. No one seems to complain much about that. People need to stop demonizing the white race. Anderson Cooper even tried to demonize innocent white children in his stupid “doll test”. That was more than reprehensible.

I think it was wrong for people to claim the tea party folks were all racists. Certainly that’s part of it and te media loved to show the worst signs and posters. There was racism, but we needn’t focus on the racist few.
I actually didn’t read any main stream media claiming Beck’s rally was racist. They just correctly reported it was mostly white people. I’d like to see some evidence of that too.
What seems to happen now is that someone does something outrageous and a whole group gets blamed for it. Both sides have their extremists. The media loves to highlight those extremes and then the right is saying “all the lifties do this” and the left is “all the right wingers do that” Let’s not be so easily fooled and manipulated. ONe or two sources is not all the left or all the right.
DEVONECO

Jews in Israel burned hundreds of Bibles in Or-Yehuda – a city near Tel Aviv in 2008. Nothing happened! Orthodox Jews harass and insult Jesus and Christians and Messianic Jews in Israel – check these You-tube websites :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUgARllsgOQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvnrBU4vaGY&feature=related
libra blue

@CosmosDan, ” I live by my own principles because that’s how I choose to live.”

My comment wasn’t about you, it is my opinion based on the reports that I have seen and read about the Muslim community and what their leaders have said, but more importantly, have failed to say and how they treat not only people of other faiths, but those in their own community that do not adhere to their silly primitive rules.

Maybe you are in favor of women being treated like 3rd class citizens forced to dress in those ridiculously humiliating burkas and forced to live in fear if they are seen walking with some man who isn’t a relative, or maybe it doesn’t bother you that they condemn homosexuals and hang them in the town square.

Although people claim it is not in the Koran, most Muslims seem to believe in honor killings and in stoning, even the supposedly Westernized Muslims living in this country and know it is against our laws, commit these crimes willingly. For instance, Muzzammil Hassan, a Muslim TV station owner who beheaded his wife in Buffalo, NY on Feb.12, 2009 for seeking a divorce, and Noor Faleh Almaleki, a young woman living in Glendale, AZ who was run over and killed by her Muslim father Faleh Hassan Almaleki on Oct. 22, 2009 because she was becoming too “Westernized”, her friend Amal Edan Khalaf was also injured in the attack. These killings had nothing to do with the war in Iraq, they were purely “culturally condoned” murders.

You are living in fantasyland if you believe these people are going to give up their primitive violent culture and join you in a chorus of Kumbayah. It ain’t gonna happen.
libra blue

@CosmosDan, “I think it was wrong for people to claim the tea party folks were all racists. Certainly that’s part of it and te media loved to show the worst signs and posters.”

Why do you suppose news networks like CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and others keep reminding viewers that most of the people at the Beck Rally and in the Tea Parties are white? Obviously it is to insinuate that they are all racists. I don’t remember that kind of emphasis on race during the million man march or at any of Sharpton’s or Farrakhan’s other mostly black rallies, at least not in a negative way.

You would have to be quite naive not to believe that the sugestion of racism is behind this anti-white sentiment.

Journalists on CNN and MSNBC seem to be trying to convince whites that there is something wrong with being white. I wonder how many black members are on their lily white family trees.

I will tell you one thing it has accomplished. It has united whites across this country whether they are racist or not because they believe their rights are now being threatened.

You should gain some comfort from this thread. It looks like the majority of the commentors here are pro-Muslim.
timcajun

Beck is crazy and the tea baggers are quick to hate and lie, but this Florida Pastor is the kind of guy that really should be avoided. Book burning was the first thing the Nazi Party did!
MiddleRoader

newzmaker said:
The very idiots whom were saying on this very blog, that the families of the victims of 9-11, needed to shut up and allow freedom of religion to take place, with the building of the mosque at GZ, are now bitching about the burning of the koran. Either be consistent about supporting our freedoms, or just shut the hell up.

I personally would be consistently against a bible burning, flag burning, cross burning and even a damn bra burning that was taking place in this great country of ours.
MiddleRoader

Mr.Papshmer said:
For decades, “deep thinkers” have no problem mocking Christianity, but won’t touch islam. It’s beyond hypocritical, and it doesn’t get any more cowardly.

I’m not sure what deep thinkers you read, but the books I read from deep thinkers critique all the three major religions. And basically its not the religions per se they *mock* (your words) but the radicals in all three that use their religion for their hate filled agendas.
MiddleRoader

Haimerej said:
Again though, this is FREEDOM in action. I’m sick of people having a problem with other people and their immediate response being to shut them down.

Where did I say they (or you) should be shut down? I only question the wisdom of such an action (burning the koran). Again, more so for the safety of our troops and strategic part in dealing with the war on our end of it.
MiddleRoader

notsofast said:
Terry Jones is just as nuts as the leader of that other POS group that protests at the funerals of US soldiers. It takes people like Jones to remind us of what trips into dementia, madness and insanity truly look like.

I knew there was hope for you after all.
http://none pyrope

Speaking as a conservative, it is my opinion that this is TOTALLY WRONG! Burning books is the stuff of the Third Reich.
MiddleRoader

Pablo said:
I think that’s what they’re getting at. It being dangerous is a problem in and of itself, dontcha think?

I’m not sure I understand what your point is. Islam being the danger or tolerance being the danger? Either way I think that that is just more fear mongering.
MiddleRoader

Pablo,

I realize I used the word dangerous. My intent by using that word was in relation to the troops in Iraq/Afghanistan.
CosmosDan

pyrope said:
Speaking as a conservative, it is my opinion that this is TOTALLY WRONG! Burning books is the stuff of the Third Reich.

Do you suppose Glenn Beck will point that out and hold up a swastika for effect?
CosmosDan

libra blue said:
@CosmosDan, ” I live by my own principles because that’s how I choose to live.”

My comment wasn’t about you, it is my opinion based on the reports that I have seen and read about the Muslim community and what their leaders have said, but more importantly, have failed to say and how they treat not only people of other faiths, but those in their own community that do not adhere to their silly primitive rules.

I only used myself as an example. We as Americans have to try and live by the principles of our Constitution.

Maybe you are in favor of women being treated like 3rd class citizens forced to dress in those ridiculously humiliating burkas and forced to live in fear if they are seen walking with some man who isn’t a relative, or maybe it doesn’t bother you that they condemn homosexuals and hang them in the town square.

Although people claim it is not in the Koran, most Muslims seem to believe in honor killings and in stoning, even the supposedly Westernized Muslims living in this country and know it is against our laws, commit these crimes willingly. For instance, Muzzammil Hassan, a Muslim TV station owner who beheaded his wife in Buffalo, NY on Feb.12, 2009 for seeking a divorce, and Noor Faleh Almaleki, a young woman living in Glendale, AZ who was run over and killed by her Muslim father Faleh Hassan Almaleki on Oct. 22, 2009 because she was becoming too “Westernized”, her friend Amal Edan Khalaf was also injured in the attack. These killings had nothing to do with the war in Iraq, they were purely “culturally condoned” murders.

You are living in fantasyland if you believe these people are going to give up their primitive violent culture and join you in a chorus of Kumbayah. It ain’t gonna happen.

libra, it seems you are determined to group 1.5 billion Muslims together as “these people” It won’t help for me to point out how wrong that is.
CosmosDan

libra blue said:
@CosmosDan, “I think it was wrong for people to claim the tea party folks were all racists. Certainly that’s part of it and te media loved to show the worst signs and posters.”

Why do you suppose news networks like CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and others keep reminding viewers that most of the people at the Beck Rally and in the Tea Parties are white? Obviously it is to insinuate that they are all racists. I don’t remember that kind of emphasis on race during the million man march or at any of Sharpton’s or Farrakhan’s other mostly black rallies, at least not in a negative way.

So now just reporting the facts is an insinuation of racism? I think you’re to sensitive.

You would have to be quite naive not to believe that the suggestion of racism is behind this anti-white sentiment.

Journalists on CNN and MSNBC seem to be trying to convince whites that there is something wrong with being white. I wonder how many black members are on their lily white family trees.

I will tell you one thing it has accomplished. It has united whites across this country whether they are racist or not because they believe their rights are now being threatened.

You should gain some comfort from this thread. It looks like the majority of the commentors here are pro-Muslim.

anti white sentiment? We have our first black president. and we did see some racism. Pointing it out isn’t anti-white.

united whites across the country? I prefer that we are more united as citizens of the same country no matter what the ethnicity. And once again, defending the principles of our Constitution is not pro Muslim.
http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

libra blue said:
Why do you suppose news networks like CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and others keep reminding viewers that most of the people at the Beck Rally and in the Tea Parties are white? Obviously it is to insinuate that they are all racists. I don’t remember that kind of emphasis on race during the million man march or at any of Sharpton’s or Farrakhan’s other mostly black rallies, at least not in a negative way.

What are you smoking? Fox News, Hate Radio, and the right winged blogosphere lose their effin’ minds when groups of minorities gather. Louis Farrakhan organized the “Million Man March.”

Louis Farrakhan.

Would you like me to cut and paste for you what was said in the media about Louis Farrakhan and the Million Man March?

libra blue said:
@More Liberty, “If people have the right to burn US flags in the face of combat veterans, then these people have the right to burn korans.” I agree completely! I guess all those against the Koran burning believe that those terrorists deserve more respect than our veterans or the American people in general. Unbelievable!

Should the Bible be burned because of the actions of the Ku Klux Klan, who surely terrorized and murdered innocent American citizens?

–Cobra
http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

Not Your Typical New Yorker says:
“Burning a koran stupid…?
as stupid as flying jetliners into occupied buildings?
As stupid as sawing off the heads of people still alive and screaming?
As stupid as sawing off womens noses and ears while conscious and alert?….as stupid as that?
As stupid as burying people up to their shoulders in dirt and crushing their heads with thrown rocks, that stupid?
Are we to think that we can actually offend the TENDER SENSIBILITIES of swine such as these?
As long as they act like that, BURN THE KORAN WITH GUSTO!”

You’re not a typical New Yorker; you’re way to stupid to be “typical.”

Look, moron, this will put our troops into danger, greater danger. This will put our mission in Afghanistan into even greater jeopardy.

Burning the Koran, whatever one thinks of it or Islam, will only fuel that same hatred that fueled the terrorists that attacked us on 9-11.

Let’s turn this around and pretend that we’re in the Dark Ages where this atypical NYer seems to be living. Let’s burn all atypical New Yorkers at the stake? Turn primitive logic around, and it gets a little toasty for their Neanderthal “logic” and self-righteousness.
http://sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/ GlennBeckReview

Beck has weighed in on the Koran burnings:

“I’m on vacation and trying to unplug but the news can make that hard. I just read the story about the Florida church planning to burn copies of the Koran.
What is wrong with us? It’s just like the Ground Zero mosque plan. Does this church have the right? Yes. Should they? No. And not because of the potential backlash or violence. Simply because it is wrong. The more I reflect on what happened on 8/28 the more I realize the amazing power of GOOD.
We must be the better person. We must be bigger than our problems. Bigger than the times in which we live. Burning the Koran is like burning the flag or the Bible. You can do it, but whose heart will you change by doing it? You will only harden the hearts of those who could be moved. None of those who are thinking about killing us will be affected, but our good Muslim friends and neighbors will be saddened. It makes the battle that they face inside their own communities even harder.
Let us rise above the current levels and elevate ourselves and our country. The only thing this act would prove is that you CAN burn a Koran. I didn’t know America was in doubt on that fact. Let’s prove to each other that while there are many things we can do, there are maybe many more things that we choose not to do.”

Great. If this whack job in FL. happens to think that Mormonism is a cult, as many evengelicals do, I’m sure Glenn Beck’s 2 cents will become “God’s answer to his prayers.”

Mr. Beck, as General Petraeus points out, this IS about the backlash.

Mr. Backlash himself has no clue about backlash, or he doesn’t want to point to how much he leads the backlash in the U.S. against reason based (as opposed to the reactionary, faith based) government. At any rate, Beck is WRONG (again) about this. Backlash IS the reason to not burn the Koran. As usual, Beck is also right. It’s as wrong for “Christians” to burn the Koran as it would be for Muslims to burn the Bible.

Beck is leading the American Backlash.

http://www.amazon.com/Backlash-Right-Wing-Radicals-High-Def-Hucksters/dp/0061991716
Pablo

MiddleRoader said:
I’m not sure I understand what your point is. Islam being the danger or tolerance being the danger? Either way I think that that is just more fear mongering.

Is that what Gen Petraeus is doing? Fear mongering? Or is he expressing concern about a clear and present danger?
Alex_N

Book burning sounds so familiar that someone has already made a “reminder” web site with a pretty funny collage putting the Pastor on the cover of a well-known book:
http://burnakoranday.net/