Leon Panetta said:
“U.S. officials feared that Pakistan could have undermined the operation by leaking word to its targets,”

Did Hussein know you were thinking like this? I’m SURE he was LIVID!

Davo said:
Did Hussein know you were thinking like this? I’m SURE he was LIVID!

That makes absolutely no sense.

ElCapitanAmerica said:
That makes absolutely no sense.

Well lemme s’plain. The killing of Bin Laden is completely inconsistent with everything Hussein Sortoro has ever done or stated he believed in. He is the one who court-martialed Navy Seals for hitting a captured terrorist in the mouth. He punished the Seals for using snipers to kill the 3 terrorists who hijacked the merchant ship and kidnapped it’s captain. He refuses to issue orders to kill Gadaffi.

The only reasonable conclusion a rational person could come to is that Hussein was angry at having to pretend to authorize this action , and has been continually changing his story regarding the action since it occurred. He is, predictably however, trying to make political mileage out of it nonetheless by publicly claiming credit for the whole operation.

Davo said:
He punished the Seals for using snipers to kill the 3 terrorists who hijacked the merchant ship and kidnapped it’s captain.

I don’t think that is true.

As for Gadaffi, I guess they weren’t trying to kill him when the bombed were he was and killed more members of his family.

The only reasonable conclusion a rational person could come to is that Hussein was angry at having to pretend to authorize this action , and has been continually changing his story regarding the action since it occurred.

Actually in the campaign president Obama said; “And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act, and we will take them out. We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaida. That has to be our biggest national security priority.”

Promise made, promise kept.

You can keep trying to spin but and guess what the president thinks, but he did say in a debate “we will kill bin Laden”. Not capture, kill, and bin Laden is dead.

Once again this government breaks the law to advance it’s own agenda. Everyone revels in OBL’s death but, that in no way excuses this corrupt government from overtly ignoring the sovereignty of a foreign country. If ever there was an example of why the middle-east hates us, this is one you can point your finger to. Obimbo and his administration will now bloat over their mis-deed like little children and act as though this country has the right to step on any foreign country it wants to, anytime it wants to.
I think the bigger question here is, where the hell did Obimbo get the authority to execute an attack on foreign soil without the consent of Congress? And, why is Congress not jumping on this overt corruption of power with both feet?! Apparently, Constitutional law means nothing to Obimbo and his minions.

CAconservative said:
in no way excuses this corrupt government from overtly ignoring the sovereignty of a foreign country

Wait a minute, you’re actually upset we went into Pakistan and took care of business? Seriously?

You know when Hersh came out with that info, it seemed really irresponsible and rushed. I really would love to see somebody ask him about it now.

ElCapitanAmerica said:
We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaida. That has to be our biggest national security priority.”

Explain then why Hussein has sided WITH Al Qaida in Libya. Explain why your dreams of a decisive and dynamic Hussein aren’t supported by his cowardice in making a decision on Libya until the UN took a stance. Explain why none of the scenario presented over the past 36 hours fits the profile of Hussein the Apologizer.

Nawww……………you Dims have to turn your lights all the way down to spin this inconsistency into a fable. The only thing that Hussein has been consistent about is his assault against American liberty.

Captain, don’t argue with Davo. He’s an ideological & dogmatic idiot. Just parsing his posts without even analysing them for substance (which they lack anyway) should give you an idea. It’s like arguing with a door post. Let him play in his own excrement.

Davo said:
Explain then why Hussein has sided WITH Al Qaida in Libya. Explain why your dreams of a decisive and dynamic Hussein aren’t supported by his cowardice in making a decision on Libya until the UN took a stance. Explain why none of the scenario presented over the past 36 hours fits the profile of Hussein the Apologizer.

No, why don’t you first address the campaign promise that president Obama made. He said he would go into Pakistan (he did), kill bin Laden (he did via our excellent troops) and that he will crush Al-Qaeda (this is not done, but this sure as hell helps).

I mean I’m dealing with a simple statement, made years ago when he was president. He made this publicly and clearly, yet you say this whole episode goes against what you think the president is about. That’s very strange.

Also, please note that MCain (and I’m a fan of his) thought going into Pakistan without permission was imprudent, and please remember that then president Bush had to call Pakistan to reassure them that we would not go into their territory without permission. If you can’t find the articles, let me know and I’ll link them for you.

(oh I’m not a Democrat btw, fyi).

Gasket said:
Captain, don’t argue with Davo. He’s an ideological & dogmatic idiot. Just parsing his posts without even analysing them for substance (which they lack anyway) should give you an idea. It’s like arguing with a door post. Let him play in his own excrement.

Thank you for your usual “substance-packed” contribution to the debate. Now go back to torturing little kittens.

ElCapitanAmerica said:
No, why don’t you first address the campaign promise that president Obama made. He said ………………

Hussein also said his CommieCare bill didn’t provide for death panels, then deleted them temporarily only to re-insert them in the dead of night. He also said that his CommieCare didn’t provide for tax increases. He also said he would close Gitmo as a first priority if elected.

Now, you go ahead and accept whatever squishes out of Hussein’s mouth if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. But all the circumstantial evidence disputes his rendition of the events……………………including his complete modus operandi.

Gasket said:
Captain, don’t argue with Davo. He’s an ideological & dogmatic idiot. Just parsing his posts without even analysing them for substance (which they lack anyway) should give you an idea. It’s like arguing with a door post. Let him play in his own excrement.

There are A LOT of those type posters here. On the left AND the right.

Davo
Hussein also said his CommieCare bill didn’t provide for death panels, then deleted them temporarily only to re-insert them in the dead of night. He also said that his CommieCare didn’t provide for tax increases. He also said he would close Gitmo as a first priority if elected.

None of those things have anything to do with the adult discussion at hand (and they’re horrible interpretations of reality). Why can’t you admit that president Obama said he was going to go in Pakistan and kill bin Laden? He said so, and he did. Doesn’t get any simpler than that.

Now, you go ahead and accept whatever squishes out of Hussein’s mouth if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. But all the circumstantial evidence disputes his rendition of the events……………………including his complete modus operandi.

I accept reality, candidate Obama said in the debate that he was going to go into Pakistan and kill bin Laden. He seems to have leveraged our intelligence and military assets the right way and got the job done. I can’t argue with reality.

Also as an American, I’m very proud and happy for my country, we’ve waited for this moment almost 10 years and thank God it has come. Too bad you’re too busy poorly trying to score political points, or justify your simplistic and non reality based mindset.

tatboy said:
There are A LOT of those type posters here. On the left AND the right.

Wow, but this guy seems to be in the top 3 … just read his “logical” arguments.

ElCapitanAmerica said:
I accept reality, candidate Obama said in the debate that he was going to…………..

So, “reality” is simply what Hussein said, and is somehow disconnected from his documented behavior? As I said………….if that’s all you require, then lemme sell you some Louisiana swamp land…………err……………..prime southern real estate. But for me, I’ll go with truth and logic.

Truth and logic dictate that Hussein’s behavioral patterns cannot be disregarded when he suddenly claims to go completely out of character in masterminding this operation. I’ve already given you multiple instances where his known acts contradict his claims by 180 degrees, and you respond by quoting assertions from his campaign speeches. Do you really consider that logical? No one, including Hussein, simply makes such a radical departure from the mold we cast ourselves into by our patterns of behavior.

You’re bringing up incorrect information, and sometimes made up “facts” that mostly have nothing to do with this operation. I don’t see any “truth and logic”, you still can’t face that this was a campaign promise, and that facts reveal that capturing/killing bin Laden was a very high priority of this administration. That’s just undeniable at this point.

I know I’m not going to convince you, but I’m trying to stick to simple facts to just make sure the point is made. It really is very simple, and the gymnastics you are demonstration right now are actually kind of sad.

ElCapitanAmerica:

I would have rather have seen this mass-murderer die of something prolonged like stomach-cancer without any medical attention. That’s what he earned and deserved but, that’s not the issue. The issue is the use of (1) unauthorized Congressional power to direct a hit on a person residing in a foreign country, and (2) without the approval, and consent of that foreign government. This is one more example of Obimbo’s reliance of the force of law not being brought against him for his continued defiance of our own Constitution, and that of International law.
What happens when the rule of law is pushed aside? The very laws that were put in place to protect us as individuals, and as a Republic disappear. Then what? What do you relay on to protect you, and yours. Bin Laden resided in that mansion for 6-years, taking a few days to secretly get the permission from Congress and the Pakistan government was in the realm of legality and do-ability. Although, I rejoice in UBL death, I cannot condone the illegal use of force, directed by a president that doesn’t have that power!!

We don’t trust the Pakistani government, so “secretly getting permission” from them was out of the question and would have extremely naive.

Yes, we did violate their sovereignty, but at the same time I don’t really care and I’m being perfectly honest here. When it comes to the safety and interest of our nation, that takes precedence over Pakistan’s sovereignty. No question about that at all.

Is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad next on the list?

In other words, even Panetta wasn’t stupid enough to trust the Pakistani government to keep things under wraps. Well wake up and smell the coffee Mr. Panetta!!!!

redman77 said:
Is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad next on the list?

He should be. He’s been sucking in air way too long.

CAconservative said:
I would have rather have seen this mass-murderer die of something prolonged like stomach-cancer without any medical attention.

I have to agree with you with the qualifier that he be made to do so while at Gitmo.

So that’s the Obama administration’s made up story and apparently, for the time being anyway, they’re sticking with it.