By now we all know O’Beckerhead is hostile to education and the educated. Nothing new here. Even the chutzpah of O’Beckerhead, a now notorious liar, in attacking the centers of knowledge and the repositories of our cultural heritage and strength, is not really new, is it?

THE INAUGURAL SPEECH – JUST ONE OF BECKERHEAD’S LIES,
FROM LAST SATURDAY’S DIMWIT AND HERETIC RALLY,
EXPOSED TO US ALL, THANKS TO THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES,
SOON, WE’LL NEED A SPREAD SHEET FOR AN ACCURATE TALLY.

“warns against the re-education camps we call universities…Perhaps a promo for Beck University?”

No, a promo for Brown University.

What specific evidence does Beck have to support his claim that universities are “indoctrinating” our youth?

Beck is so money savvy, I keep expecting him to turn up in Gucci Manes next video waving dollars. It’s a joke to everyone except those that still fall for his hucksterism.

Jesus what has happened to my country?

“Beck is using a pull quote from an interview where Sebelius explains the Obama administration failed to explain what was in the new health care law and is making it sound like they are setting up brainwashing camps.”

So what’s new. Beck is a master at making people sound like they’re saying something that they are not. He does this all the time. This is why Glenn Beck is a yellow propagandist and not an honest commentator, does not ask “honest questions,” and most certainly is no man of God.

Glenn Beck deceives. It’s what he does. And it works. His audience is horribly dumbed down.

Beck couldn’t even tell the truth without lies, both big and small, last Saturday.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/08/during-his-speech-to-restore-honor-beck.html

How hypocritical does one have to be in this century to lose all credibility? If Beck’s followers would REALLY wake up, Beck’s fall from fame would be precipitous, but this rodeo clown has the ignorant completely hoodwinked. Sad and pathetic.

Some_Dude said:
Jesus what has happened to my country?

It has been taken over by a bunch of leftist assholes. But don’t get shook, that will all change on Nov 2.

Az, come on Az, how have the leftists “taken over” the country. Didn’t we have elections or something? And will everything be alright after rightists “take over” the country on Nov 2? What will happen exactly, I’m curious?

Socrates69 said:
Az, come on Az, how have the leftists “taken over” the country. Didn’t we have elections or something? And will everything be alright after rightists “take over” the country on Nov 2? What will happen exactly, I’m curious?

You are wasting your time. He will only call people he disagrees with names (“leftist asshomes”) and make broad generalizations that are divorced from reality.

Democratic governor Deval Patrick wishes US wasn’t a free country?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8M6enM1bhM&feature=player_embedded#!

“Given what we can see at this moment, Republicans have a good chance to win the House by picking up as many as 47 seats, net…

In the Senate, we now believe the GOP will do a bit better than our long-time prediction of +7 seats. Republicans have an outside shot at winning full control (+10), but are more likely to end up with +8…

The inescapable conclusion is that the Senate is on the bubble, with only a slight lean at Labor Day toward Democratic retention.”

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/

I used to worry about sending my son to college, but having spent time around him, I’m confident I could send him to Berkley and he’d come out alright. Just teach them to have a strong sense of who they are and what they believe and they will be fine. If you are confident in your beliefs, it’s hard for other’s to shake you.

A great example of this is a tale of two speeches. If you’ve ever seen Rush gie a speech, he will get up there without even a note and talk forever. He knows what he believes and doesn’t have to filter what he says. Now Obama on the other hand, must right everything down and read it off the teleprompter to avoid saying what he really believes. TWEAK!

MichelleF said:
I used to worry about sending my son to college, but having spent time around him, I’m confident I could send him to Berkley and he’d come out alright. Just teach them to have a strong sense of who they are and what they believe and they will be fine. If you are confident in your beliefs, it’s hard for other’s to shake you.

Well-said Michelle. Parents can only control so much. We do our best and eventually we have to let them go.

Azarkhan said:
Democratic governor Deval Patrick wishes US wasn’t a free country?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8M6enM1bhM&feature=player_embedded#!

Is he saying he wishes the country isn’t free or is he saying he wishes the rally wasn’t held in that location?

“The NAACP partnered with Media Matters, Think Progress and New Left Media to launch teapartytracker.org, a website that will specifically publish and monitor “racism and other forms of extremism within the Tea Party movement.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/02/naacp-launches-‘coalition-watchdog’-site-to-‘monitor’-tea-party-‘racists’/#ixzz0yNZW7Ld1

Strange how the Left wants Americans to think the entire Tea Party is racist because of a few bad apples while also wanting Americans to think Islam is just hunky-dory despite a few bad apples. Or maybe not so strange.

MichelleF said:
I used to worry about sending my son to college, but having spent time around him, I’m confident I could send him to Berkley and he’d come out alright. Just teach them to have a strong sense of who they are and what they believe and they will be fine. If you are confident in your beliefs, it’s hard for other’s to shake you. A great example of this is a tale of two speeches. If you’ve ever seen Rush gie a speech, he will get up there without even a note and talk forever. He knows what he believes and doesn’t have to filter what he says. Now Obama on the other hand, must right everything down and read it off the teleprompter to avoid saying what he really believes. TWEAK!

Never underestimate the power of ideas and of knowledge, however, Michelle-in-Utah. I have seen some remarkable epiphanies.

THE INAUGURAL SPEECH – JUST ONE OF BECKERHEAD’S LIES,
FROM LAST SATURDAY’S DIMWIT AND HERETIC RALLY,
EXPOSED TO US ALL, THANKS TO THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES,
SOON, WE’LL NEED A SPREAD SHEET FOR AN ACCURATE TALLY.

Well hell the commentator even says thats what he’s trying to say, that the governor wasn’t trying to say that he wishes the US wasn’t a free country.

Doesn’t make sense.

Azarkhan said:
“The NAACP partnered with Media Matters, Think Progress and New Left Media to launch teapartytracker.org, a website that will specifically publish and monitor “racism and other forms of extremism within the Tea Party movement.” Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/02/naacp-launches-‘coalition-watchdog’-site-to-‘monitor’-tea-party-‘racists’/#ixzz0yNZW7Ld1 Strange how the Left wants Americans to think the entire Tea Party is racist because of a few bad apples while also wanting Americans to think Islam is just hunky-dory despite a few bad apples. Or maybe not so strange.

I think you are just seeking simple answers to complex matters. If you find them, you can be assured that the answers will be suspect. Try a more layered analysis.

THE INAUGURAL SPEECH – JUST ONE OF BECKERHEAD’S LIES,
FROM LAST SATURDAY’S DIMWIT AND HERETIC RALLY,
EXPOSED TO US ALL, THANKS TO THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES,
SOON, WE’LL NEED A SPREAD SHEET FOR AN ACCURATE TALLY.

Azarkhan said:
“The NAACP partnered with Media Matters, Think Progress and New Left Media to launch teapartytracker.org, a website that will specifically publish and monitor “racism and other forms of extremism within the Tea Party movement.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/02/naacp-launches-‘coalition-watchdog’-site-to-‘monitor’-tea-party-‘racists’/#ixzz0yNZW7Ld1

Strange how the Left wants Americans to think the entire Tea Party is racist because of a few bad apples while also wanting Americans to think Islam is just hunky-dory despite a few bad apples. Or maybe not so strange.

Here is what you have a hard time understanding. While those groups are liberal, they do not represent “the left” in its entirety. They are groups with a narrow agenda and a political ideology, but they do not speak for “the left.”

“Azarkhan says: Strange how the Left wants Americans to think the entire Tea Party is racist because of a few bad apples while also wanting Americans to think Islam is just hunky-dory despite a few bad apples. ”

I don’t think the “Left” wants that. Are you saying all of the Left wants that? So now you claim to have the ability to read the mind of everyone on the left?

How do you know someones on the left? Do they have special tags they wear?

“paulmdoro says: You are wasting your time. He will only call people he disagrees with names (“leftist asshomes”) and make broad generalizations that are divorced from reality.”

I know but its fun. LOL.

paulmdoro said:
Here is what you have a hard time understanding. While those groups are liberal

Here is what you have a hard time understanding. Those groups are not liberal, they are leftist, i.e., extreme Left. If you cannot comprehend that basic fact…

Careful Paul, we’re starting to look identical…we might be the “Left.” Maybe its those indoctrination Universities we might or might not have gone too.

Hey hey we gots ourselves a definition. They must be the “extreme left” that have taken over the country then?

I am black, you are white.
I am coffee, you are milk.
We will always complement each other.
_ B l a c k w h i t e C u p i d * C 0 m _
You may have a try… ;)

and the robospam post has the last word. Im outta here.

Azarkhan said:
Here is what you have a hard time understanding. Those groups are not liberal, they are leftist, i.e., extreme Left. If you cannot comprehend that basic fact…

In your mind, what is the difference between “liberals” and “the left”?

Socrates69 said:
How do you know someones on the left? Do they have special tags they wear?

Yes, yes, you finally got it! They wear tags that say: “I’m a leftist asshole and I hate America. Ask me why.”

paulmdoro said:
Here is what you have a hard time understanding. While those groups are liberal, they do not represent “the left” in its entirety. They are groups with a narrow agenda and a political ideology, but they do not speak for “the left.”

Nice try PMD…no one believe you and the left anymore…

Move over…we’ll take it from here and clean up the mess you people have made.

RRK, the only notorious liar around here is YOU.

GBR, nothing said by Beck was a lie. He expressed his opinion. You need to look up the meaning of “lie”. You do it all the time. The problem with you liars on the left is you think anytime people don’t agree with you it is a lie.

Azarkhan said:
Yes, yes, you finally got it! They wear tags that say: “I’m a leftist asshole and I hate America. Ask me why.”

I saw what must be your tag: “I’m an ignorant rightist asshole who confuses aggressive jingoism for patriotism. Ask me why.”

BatBoy said:
Nice try PMD…no one believe you and the left anymore…

Move over…we’ll take it from here and clean up the mess you people have made.

No one? You speak for over 300 million people? Wow. Impressive.

The Real Royal King said:
Try a more layered analysis.

From Blubber Head comes a call for “layered analysis.” Oh, that’s rich, Blubber Head!

Not bad Paul!

Azarkhan said:
Not bad Paul!

Hey thanks! Learned from a pro!

The Real Royal King said:
I think you are just seeking simple answers to complex matters. If you find them, you can be assured that the answers will be suspect. Try a more layered analysis.

The Intercollegiate Studies Institute is a a nonprofit educational group that has been studying educational trends for four years. In their most recent study, they found that college professors are more likely than non-professors to believe that America corrupts otherwise good people, and that educators should instill more doubt about religion among students. Predictably, the report said, a college graduate is now less likely to believe that anyone can succeed in America with hard work and perseverance. The report also showed that college fails to give graduates a grasp of essential elements of American history, government and economics. Since greater civic knowledge tends to push one toward conservative values, it’s no wonder.

My son is a second year engineering student at a University in Ohio. He is attending on a partial academic scholarship through the STEM program. One of the requirements to keep the scholarship is attendance at functions decided on by the STEM Director, who also happens to be his boss at his job on campus. Two of the required “events” in his freshman year were speaking engagements held by liberal Democratic sympathizers. But nah, there’s no indoctrination going on. None at all.

LIBERALS CAN’T SEEM TO SPIN
AS OBAMA’S SUPPORT GROWS MORE THIN
IT CAN’T BE THE DEBT
OR THE PROMISES NOT MET
NAH, IT MUST BE THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN

Andy Lamb said:
The Intercollegiate Studies Institute is a a nonprofit educational group that has been studying educational trends for four years. In their most recent study, they found that college professors are more likely than non-professors to believe that America corrupts otherwise good people, and that educators should instill more doubt about religion among students. Predictably, the report said, a college graduate is now less likely to believe that anyone can succeed in America with hard work and perseverance. The report also showed that college fails to give graduates a grasp of essential elements of American history, government and economics. Since greater civic knowledge tends to push one toward conservative values, it’s no wonder.

My son is a second year engineering student at a University in Ohio. He is attending on a partial academic scholarship through the STEM program. One of the requirements to keep the scholarship is attendance at functions decided on by the STEM Director, who also happens to be his boss at his job on campus. Two of the required “events” in his freshman year were speaking engagements held by liberal Democratic sympathizers. But nah, there’s no indoctrination going on. None at all.

Anecdotal evidence proves nothing. The most overtly political college professor I ever had is conservative and head of the journalism department at a large university.

And your non-profit has a partisan agenda, but nice try.

paulmdoro said:
Anecdotal evidence proves nothing. The most overtly political college professor I ever had is conservative and head of the journalism department at a large university. And your non-profit has a partisan agenda, but nice try.

Yes, they should be more objective……like Media Matters.

LIBERALS CAN’T SEEM TO SPIN
AS OBAMA’S SUPPORT GROWS MORE THIN
IT CAN’T BE THE DEBT
OR THE PROMISES NOT MET
NAH, IT MUST BE THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN

Andy Lamb said:
Yes, they should be more objective……like Media Matters.

I never said Media Matters is objective, so not sure what your point is, other than acknowledging that the non-profit group you mentioned has a political agenda.

[Martha] Stewart said. “Also Nancy Pelosi…in detail. She’s a phenomenal woman – look at what she’s done. And she’s absolutely beautiful.”

Another poor fool who thinks Pelosi is all that.

Azarkhan said:
[Martha] Stewart said. “Also Nancy Pelosi…in detail. She’s a phenomenal woman – look at what she’s done. And she’s absolutely beautiful.”

Another poor fool who thinks Pelosi is all that.

Who the hell cares what Martha Stewart says? Seriously.

paulmdoro said:
Who the hell cares what Martha Stewart says? Seriously.

The Left “cares” when she attacks Sarah Palin. She becomes another useful idiot.

Azarkhan said:
The Left “cares” when she attacks Sarah Palin. She becomes another useful idiot.

News to me. I don’t know anyone who cares about what Martha Stewart says. I think you have been misinformed, or you just like saying “the left” without really understanding what you’re talking about.

Another example of GlennBeckreview’s rabid obsession with Beck-
Can anyone find the underlying admission in his comment?

I said:
You carry on obsessing with Glenn Beck, I’m going to use my day off on one of my many hobbies…disc golf for today. You should try the same.

GBR said:
disc golf; that will stimulate your “mind.”

Now I say:

What kind of jackass puts down someone for playing disc golf?
Yes, as a matter of fact disc golf does stimulate the mind as well as the body. 2 for 1. My mind is very stimulated before, during, and after hiking several miles through wooded areas, trying to beat the course, and more importantly, conversing with friends (not about Beck).

GBR’s ignorant and negative comment about someone enjoying a physical and mental activity that doesn’t involve Glenn Beck just shows how mentally deranged he is. I hope someone in his family is planning an intervention to stop his Beckobsession. He is an addict and needs professional help. It must be hard to eat, sleep, and dream of Glenn Beck. Rather than dislike him, I’m starting to feel sorry for him.

btw- @GBR -you harp on Beck’s character, how do you reconcile marching with Al Sharpton after the Brawley incident, videotape of Al discussing laundering drug money, Crown Heights, his “white interloper” comment, Freddy’s Fashion Mart, paling around with Farrakhan & Shabazz, extortion boycotts, etc.
Take note that these are factual events, not just opinions like your statements about Beck.

I’m sick of the meme that the Democrats didn’t explain the HC bill well enough. They cite how they can tell people what’s in it and then the people like it.

That’s bull. They tell people the non-controversial stuff, like not denying kids or not kicking people off of their plans. They don’t talk about how they exempt unions from the Cadillac Tax. For example- If you’re not in a union and your plan is over $11,500 a year, then your plan will get taxed at 40%. If you’re in a union, then you can have a plan that goes up to $27,000 and it will still not be considered a “cadillac” plan, meaning it won’t get hit at that 40% tax rate.

They don’t tell people that this plan isn’t, as they said trying to pass it, deficit neutral. They don’t tell people that it won’t bring down the costs of healthcare and will, in all likelyhood, raise the costs. They don’t talk about the strain on the system adding 40 million people will have.

The problem isn’t that they, “failed to explain what was in the new healthcare law.” The problem is that people DO understand what’s in it, and they’ve rejected it.

Don’t take it too personally Standup, Beck is the only reason GBR has to get out of the bed in the morning. Without him, his life would be nothing. You should actually pity him.

“We have a whopping 30 [National Guard troops] this week that are showing up,” [Sheriff] Babeu told CNSNews.com. “It’s less than a half-hearted measure designed to fail.”

But the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has placed 15 signs along a 60-mile stretch of Interstate 8 that links San Diego with Phoenix and Tucson warning travelers of drug cartels and human trafficking operations…

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/72068

Nice to know that the Obama regime is ceding parts of Arizona to the drug cartels.

Not ceding parts of AZ; he’s giving it to Mexico entirely. Hadn’t you heard?

Azarkhan said:
“warns against the re-education camps we call universities…Perhaps a promo for Beck University?” No, a promo for Brown University.

Beck is beggin you to get off the train, Azark. Its a snipe hunt.

MichelleF said:
A great example of this is a tale of two speeches. If you’ve ever seen Rush gie a speech, he will get up there without even a note and talk forever. He knows what he believes and doesn’t have to filter what he says. Now Obama on the other hand, must right everything down and read it off the teleprompter to avoid saying what he really believes. TWEAK!

Michelle, this is a weak comparison. Limbaugh speaks to a partisan crowed and gives the same speech (he may change the words, the message is the same.) all the time. The President has to speak about many topics to a nation. Perhaps you are not old enough to remember Ronald Reagan, who used note cards to help him deliver a speech. And no one cared. Because the teleprompter charge is just petty.

To be fair to Beck, Eric (not the Mediaite has proven that’s a goal of theirs), but Beck is in no way saying that violencewise our educators are equal to terrorists groups, just in their rhetoric. He played clips of educators saying the best way to cure America is to collapse the system. He played clips of people from the Obama Admin at a High School saying Republicans hate Latinos. Students are continually taught the America, as it was founded, is fundementally evil. Seems to me, Beck is right is his assertion. Personally, I can’t believe you libs are still trying to convince the rest of us that this isn’t true.

Spokesman P.J. Crowley said the Arizona immigration law included in an Aug. 20 report to the U.N. high commissioner on rights came up during the preparation period, when teams went around the country gathering ideas for the report.

Crowley said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton included the dispute in the report because she thought the U.S. could serve as “a model” to other nations…

It is “downright offensive” that a state law would be included in the report, Brewer, a Republican nearly guaranteed re-election as a result of the legal dispute, wrote to Clinton.

“The idea of our own American government submitting the duly enacted laws of a state of the United States to ‘review’ by the United Nations is internationalism run amok and unconstitutional,” she said….

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/30/state-department-stands-decision-include-arizona-human-rights-report/

Only a swinish Leftist would even consider doing that.

GlennBeckReview said:
Beck couldn’t even tell the truth without lies

GBReview has some serious issues
Another Beck show, another box of tissues
He’s mentally deranged
Certifiably insane
He’s not qualified to tie Glenn Beck’s shoes

Haimerej said:
I’m sick of the meme that the Democrats didn’t explain the HC bill well enough. They cite how they can tell people what’s in it and then the people like it.

That’s bull. They tell people the non-controversial stuff, like not denying kids or not kicking people off of their plans. They don’t talk about how they exempt unions from the Cadillac Tax. For example- If you’re not in a union and your plan is over $11,500 a year, then your plan will get taxed at 40%. If you’re in a union, then you can have a plan that goes up to $27,000 and it will still not be considered a “cadillac” plan, meaning it won’t get hit at that 40% tax rate.

They don’t tell people that this plan isn’t, as they said trying to pass it, deficit neutral. They don’t tell people that it won’t bring down the costs of healthcare and will, in all likelyhood, raise the costs. They don’t talk about the strain on the system adding 40 million people will have.

The problem isn’t that they, “failed to explain what was in the new healthcare law.” The problem is that people DO understand what’s in it, and they’ve rejected it.

Well…health care enrollment for the coming year is about to happen. I wonder how people will feel about how their health care plans will change, to comply with the HC Bill’s standards, after being told that they can keep the care they always had and liked(apparently not)

Or How their out of pocket expenses will rise and portion of their payments of the plans will increase, after being told the bill will “reduce” the costs of health care.

Or how some businesses actually will need to find some ways to cut costs(fire people) because their insurance costs will increase much more than they were expecting.

All this detrimental change and still most of the actual “advantages” of the bill don’t take place until a couple years from now

Support for the bill has continued to plummet and these new revelations won’t stop that.

But like she said….”We need to pass it so everyone can find out what’s in it”

Well that time is just about here….they’re about to find out what’s in it…..what bad timing for the left.

MichelleF said:
Students are continually taught the America, as it was founded, is fundementally evil. Seems to me, Beck is right is his assertion.

You know this how? Seems to me you’re making reckless statements with little basis in reality and nothing more than anecdotal evidence to support them.

Azarkhan said:
Yes, yes, you finally got it! They wear tags that say: “I’m a leftist asshole and I hate America. Ask me why.”

Careful,, Azarkhan! You’re starting to sound like Constantly. Perhaps your points could be better taken if you had a little more substance, a little less name calling and dirty words.

Paul,
I’ve heard more stories that I can count that prove what I said. I mean I don’t blame you for not wanting to believe it, but I stand by my statement.

valkyrie101 said:
Beck is beggin you to get off the train, Azark.

“Strength is irrelevant, resistance is futile. We wish to improve ourselves. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service ours.” –The Beck Collective

GlennBeckReview said:
How hypocritical does one have to be in this century to lose all credibility? If

For starters…how about a name like….”GlennBeckReview” …that will lose all crdibility!

MichelleF said:
Paul,
I’ve heard more stories that I can count that prove what I said. I mean I don’t blame you for not wanting to believe it, but I stand by my statement.

Some stories you’ve heard prove that universities across America are indoctrinating students? Really Michelle? If I said I heard some stories that prove conservatives across America are racist, would you just accept that as fact? You can’t be serious. That is beyond ludicrous.

MichelleF said:
Paul,I’ve heard more stories that I can count that prove what I said. I mean I don’t blame you for not wanting to believe it, but I stand by my statement.

Michelle…don’t bother debating Paul! “There are those who do and there are those who only like to talk about it!” Paul likes to debate but can never get anything done except debate!

BatBoy said:
Michelle…don’t bother debating Paul! “There are those who do and there are those who only like to talk about it!” Paul likes to debate but can never get anything done except debate!

What are you blabbering about? More nonsensical rambling? I don’t think Michelle needs a kid telling her who to talk to.

alamo2 said:
Perhaps your points could be better taken

Impossible. Your…Mind…Is…Closed.

alamo2 said:
Careful,, Azarkhan! You’re starting to sound like Constantly. Perhaps your points could be better taken if you had a little more substance, a little less name calling and dirty words.

Azarkhan said:
Impossible. Your…Mind…Is…Closed.

Well, I see that you took a quote of mine and took it out of context. And then you made a comment that has no meaning. I guess I was too hopeful that you would actually use a little more substance. My mistake.

paulmdoro said:
Who the hell cares what Martha Stewart says? Seriously.

I don’t know about you, Paul, but when Martha says burgundy is a good color for the fall throughout your home…people listen.

ROSES ARE RED
VIOLETS ARE BLUE
HEY LOOK, MEDIAITE PEOPLE
I CAN RHYME TOO!

stoogedudes said:
I don’t know about you, Paul, but when Martha says burgundy is a good color for the fall throughout your home…people listen.

ROSES ARE RED
VIOLETS ARE BLUE
HEY LOOK, MEDIAITE PEOPLE
I CAN RHYME TOO!

True. I should have added “about politics” to the end of the question.

Dedicated to the Sky Goddess Valkyrie-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEem90BAbcM

I would say that the studies that show liberalism to be prevalent among university professors, coupled with a lot of anecdotal evidence of conservatives claiming bias in their own experience with professors contributes to the idea that universities are indoctrinating people.

Personally, I’ve spoken to several college graduates who said they gave some of their work a leftward bent in order to get a decent grade in their classes.

Paul,
Do some research. Most polls find the split of liberal/conservative professors is around 80/20, give or take. I would ask you to read David Horowitz’s book, “101 most dangerous Academics in America” and get back to me.

ps, Have you heard of a little known professor name WARD CHURCHILL!!?

Oh and Paul, while you are doing your research, you could visit “Students against Liberal Professors” on Facebook. I’m sure you’ll read some great stories there. Don’t bury your head in the sand, man!

MichelleF said:
Paul,
Do some research. Most polls find the split of liberal/conservative professors is around 80/20, give or take. I would ask you to read David Horowitz’s book, “101 most dangerous Academics in America” and get back to me.

ps, Have you heard of a little known professor name WARD CHURCHILL!!?

Again, the above does not prove that universities across America are indoctrinating their students Michelle. A partisan book from a partisan commentator and a single professor hardly serve to support your wildly reckless claims. I have anecdotal evidence too. Anyone attending college does. Doesn’t prove much.

MichelleF said:
Don’t bury your head in the sand, man!

Someone could benefit from taking their own advice.

It’s “weird” that the mediamatters clips cuts off where it does; and does not show the clips where Glenn explains his point. Now, why would they do that?

Two points:

1) Another Socialist amongst the White House admin. I loved the “Republican’s hate Latinos” message of the day. Cute.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/45169/

2) The San Diego Professor that worked on a tax funded project to modify cell phones with GPS for illegal border crossers. That professor that advocated the destruction of the US economic system. Hey, isn’t that a goal of Hamas and Hezbollah?

Perhaps you could include a few examples of the material from Beck University if you want to compare, Eric. Keith Olbermann can get you material from his subscription.

PS: As a bonus, check out the series on the Atlantic (I know?!) on the Dropout Factories is you’d like to ponder more on why our public Universities are failing.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/08/dropout-factories-contd-again.html

It depends on what the meaning of is is.

is = if.

so how far will a glenn beck university degree get me? what kind of work will i get with his educational endorsement? does he even have a high school diploma? its a shame that he’s now attacking Universities…i guess he thinks America needs to fall even further down the tubes.

MichelleF said:
Paul,Do some research. Most polls find the split of liberal/conservative professors is around 80/20, give or take. I would ask you to read David Horowitz’s book, “101 most dangerous Academics in America” and get back to me. ps, Have you heard of a little known professor name WARD CHURCHILL!!?

The bigger question is, why aren’t there more conservative professors teaching at universities? It’s not as though conservatives don’t have the option of obtaining that profession.

Liberals tend to care more about society as a whole (socialists maybe?) where as conservatives are more concerned about their immediate network (church, family, friends) and getting ahead economically.

Professors have to do a lot of hard work, with not much of a monetary reward. The reward is in knowing they are helping to educate tomorrow’s leaders.

When will conservatives care enough about this to actually get involved, instead of just writing books (which pays a lot better) and complaining about it?

Paul,
Admit it, you could be presented with a truckload of evidence and your opinion would not change? No need to answer, that’s rhetoriocal.

Haimerej said:
I would say that the studies that show liberalism to be prevalent among university professors, coupled with a lot of anecdotal evidence of conservatives claiming bias in their own experience with professors contributes to the idea that universities are indoctrinating people.

Personally, I’ve spoken to several college graduates who said they gave some of their work a leftward bent in order to get a decent grade in their classes.

Luckily, back in college most of my classes were math and engineering classes, that tended to be apolitical.

But my english classes were another story. Those professors were vocally political and all had hard liberal philosophies. In one class in particular, my final debate essay, which was thorough, well sourced, and honestly very well argued, was given a very bad grade. When I confronted the professor with my total dissatisfaction, his response was that I wasn’t responsive to him in class(meaning I tended to argue his blatant slanted POV) and that the essay was written from the wrong perspective and that if I had taken the “proper side” and debated from that perspective it would have graded better. This was his actual response.

In retrospect, I should’ve gone to the dean with a complaint, but being young and naive, I didn’t, because I figured he would have backed his professor….and since I was more concerned with my technical classes, I didn’t care enough to pursue it.

MichelleF said:
Paul,
Admit it, you could be presented with a truckload of evidence and your opinion would not change? No need to answer, that’s rhetoriocal.

Present me with the truckload of evidence Michelle. What rational person accepts “I’ve heard stories” as solid evidence supporting a bold statement?

“You’re not friends. You’ll never be friends. You’ll be in love till it kills you both. You’ll fight, and you’ll shag, and you’ll hate each other until it makes you quiver, but you’ll never be friends.

Love isn’t brains, children, it’s blood — blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may be love’s bitch, but at least I’m man enough to admit it”

SpineCrusher said:
The bigger question is, why aren’t there more conservative professors teaching at universities? It’s not as though conservatives don’t have the option of obtaining that profession.

Liberals tend to care more about society as a whole (socialists maybe?) where as conservatives are more concerned about their immediate network (church, family, friends) and getting ahead economically.

Professors have to do a lot of hard work, with not much of a monetary reward. The reward is in knowing they are helping to educate tomorrow’s leaders.

When will conservatives care enough about this to actually get involved, instead of just writing books (which pays a lot better) and complaining about it?

What a load of BS. There are conservative or apolitical professors in universities. But they tend to gravitate towards math, engineering, and business…..and they tend to keep their politics out of the classroom.

The problem is liberal professors tend to vocalize their politics much more as if they feel they need to mold their students to “the right way of thinking”.

gordonbloyershow said:
RRK, the only notorious liar around here is YOU. GBR, nothing said by Beck was a lie. He expressed his opinion. You need to look up the meaning of “lie”. You do it all the time. The problem with you liars on the left is you think anytime people don’t agree with you it is a lie.

Saying one held the Inaugural Speech is an opinion?

Saying that work on the Washington Monument stopped because of the Civil War is an opinion?

That’s weak, or, as you might say, week, even for you, Marceaux, I mean Blower.

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kairos said:
The problem is liberal professors tend to vocalize their politics much more as if they feel they need to mold their students to “the right way of thinking”.

… or, that is a way to encourage thinking. We know Michelle-in-Utah has an apparently bright young son, but she has profound fears he may some day think.

You know, the reason we read “Light in August” in college American Literature courses is not to learn that telephone poles along the roadway are phallic symbols and the ditches along the roadway are symbols of the female anatomy, but to learn to read and think critically.

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paulmdoro said:
Present me with the truckload of evidence Michelle. What rational person accepts “I’ve heard stories” as solid evidence supporting a bold statement?

It’s pointless, Glenn’s followers are hopelessly indoctrinated and misinformed;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg&feature=player_embedded

Paul,
The info is out there for you to find, IF you want to. To tell you the truth, I’m sick of doing the legwork for you libs. If you cared enough to find out the truth, you could.

kairos said:
What a load of BS. There are conservative or apolitical professors in universities. But they tend to gravitate towards math, engineering, and business…..and they tend to keep their politics out of the classroom.

The problem is liberal professors tend to vocalize their politics much more as if they feel they need to mold their students to “the right way of thinking”.

penn jilette nails liberals right here http://revision3.com/pennpoint/liberalmagician

its awesome

Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot says:

… or, that is a way to encourage thinking. We know Michelle-in-Utah has an apparently bright young son, but she has profound fears he may some day think.

Actually, I fully encourage him to listen for himself and make up his own mind. Whether or not you believe that, I couldn’t possibly care any less!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
It’s pointless, Glenn’s followers are hopelessly indoctrinated

Surrender to the Void

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9RxyuPO054

To encourage thinking and to encourage alleged “proper thinking” are two different things.

Encouraging analytical thought and reasoning does not require the judgmental teaching of which ideological side is right and which is wrong, since that is subjective….but yet that’s what most liberal professors I’ve had have done, to the extent where they can angry or belligerent when disagreed with. That’s not encouraging thinking…that’s direct influencing of thought….or if you want to use the term…indoctrination.

SpineCrusher said:
The bigger question is, why aren’t there more conservative professors teaching at universities? It’s not as though conservatives don’t have the option of obtaining that profession. Liberals tend to care more about society as a whole (socialists maybe?) where as conservatives are more concerned about their immediate network (church, family, friends) and getting ahead economically. Professors have to do a lot of hard work, with not much of a monetary reward. The reward is in knowing they are helping to educate tomorrow’s leaders. When will conservatives care enough about this to actually get involved, instead of just writing books (which pays a lot better) and complaining about it?

Who’s contribution benefits society more- a company that creates jobs or a history teacher? I’m not denigrating history (it’s one of my favorite subjects), but history doesn’t feed people. History doesn’t give people self worth and the dignity of providing for themselves or their family that a job does.

Average salary of a professor in the US- $76,382. I’m sure they “do a lot of hard work” during their summer vacations too.

MichelleF said:
Paul,
The info is out there for you to find, IF you want to. To tell you the truth, I’m sick of doing the legwork for you libs. If you cared enough to find out the truth, you could.

That’s what I thought. And don’t act like you’re interested in “the truth.” You lost the argument as soon as you listed your evidence as stories you’ve heard. You don’t have any concrete proof other than personal anecdotes and a partisan book by David Horowitz, so of course you say “you have to go out and find the evidence.”

MichelleF said:
Paul,The info is out there for you to find, IF you want to. To tell you the truth, I’m sick of doing the legwork for you libs. If you cared enough to find out the truth, you could.

Michelle-in-Utah, I think you should be a mensch and help Paul out here. You have thousands of disreputable and discredited sources offering volumes of erroneous and irrelevant information at your fingertips. Would it really hurt to share some of it?

Speaking of disreputable and discredited stories, did you see that the radical rightist San Diego reporteress who supplied the bogus Laredo ranch take-over story you shared with everyone has now been accused of plagairism from another radical rightist reporter? At first glance, it looks like he has a pretty good case. I thought you’d like to know this.

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Haimerej said:

Average salary of a professor in the US- $76,382. I’m sure they “do a lot of hard work” during their summer vacations too.

I never knew a professor who didn’t work summers. Teaching summer school, conducting research, writing a book or academic article, etc.

MichelleF said:
Paul,
The info is out there for you to find, IF you want to. To tell you the truth, I’m sick of doing the legwork for you libs. If you cared enough to find out the truth, you could.

You’re just like the people in the video I posted; making a broad statement with no support for it.

MichelleF said:
Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot says: … or, that is a way to encourage thinking. We know Michelle-in-Utah has an apparently bright young son, but she has profound fears he may some day think. Actually, I fully encourage him to listen for himself and make up his own mind. Whether or not you believe that, I couldn’t possibly care any less!

You’re right. I don’t believe it.

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FROM LAST SATURDAY’S DIMWIT AND HERETIC RALLY,
EXPOSED TO US ALL, THANKS TO THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES,
SOON, WE’LL NEED A SPREAD SHEET FOR AN ACCURATE TALLY.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You’re just like the people in the video I posted; making a broad statement with no support for it.

Oh she has support. She’s “heard stories.”

Paul, it’s ok, I can understand why you want to discount actual student stories. You three stooges have fun entertaining each other!!

MichelleF said:
Paul, it’s ok, I can understand why you want to discount actual student stories. You three stooges have fun entertaining each other!!

LOL. That’s the best you can do? Why am I not surprised.

Constantly said:
penn jilette nails liberals right here http://revision3.com/pennpoint/liberalmagician

its awesome

That is absolutely perfect…..Penn nailed it to a tee

This simple point is what liberals don’t understand…..government screws shit up….always

The smaller the government….the less they can screw up….it’s really that simple

It’s not so much the college as the person attending. Obama graduated Harvard? Brilliant! O’Reilly graduated Harvard? Means nothing.

paulmdoro said:
I never knew a professor who didn’t work summers. Teaching summer school, conducting research, writing a book or academic article, etc.

“Writing a book” isn’t exactly the same thing as being a bricklayer.

writer said:
It’s not so much the college as the person attending. Obama graduated Harvard? Brilliant! O’Reilly graduated Harvard? Means nothing.

Says who?

Haimerej said:
“Writing a book” isn’t exactly the same thing as being a bricklayer.

So a college professor would be more worthy in your eyes by working summers as a bricklayer as opposed to doing something related to their non-summer, full-time profession?

kairos said:

The smaller the government….the less they can screw up….it’s really that simple

Only it isn’t.

paulmdoro said:
That’s what I thought. And don’t act like you’re interested in “the truth.” You lost the argument as soon as you listed your evidence as stories you’ve heard. You don’t have any concrete proof other than personal anecdotes and a partisan book by David Horowitz, so of course you say “you have to go out and find the evidence.”

Why is a book that comes to a conclusion that’s against your notions automatically, “partisan”? You don’t know the methodology Horowitz used, you just don’t want to agree with it.

Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot says:

You’re right. I don’t believe it.

It’s so sad that you lie SO much that you just assume everyone else does too. Sad indeed!

moneymack said:
so how far will a glenn beck university degree get me? what kind of work will i get with his educational endorsement? does he even have a high school diploma? its a shame that he’s now attacking Universities…i guess he thinks America needs to fall even further down the tubes.

Excellent point! Mr. Beck condemns universities, when he doesn’t even have a degree. And Limbaugh dropped out in his first semester at Southeast Missouri State. Both of them talk about elitist liberal professors, without giving any proof of what they say. Bring on the thumbs down, good ol’ right wingers.

kairos said:
That is absolutely perfect…..Penn nailed it to a tee

This simple point is what liberals don’t understand…..government screws shit up….always

The smaller the government….the less they can screw up….it’s really that simple

true and it explains royal lol

Haimerej said:
“Writing a book” isn’t exactly the same thing as being a bricklayer.

This is a strange comment, laid out there for all to see… signifying nothing. And being a bricklayer is not the same as shooting off your mouth as a talk show host.

paulmdoro said:
So a college professor would be more worthy in your eyes by working summers as a bricklayer as opposed to doing something related to their non-summer, full-time profession?

“Worthy” has nothing to do with it.

If you’ll recall, I was responding to someone saying that college professors “cared more about society as a whole.” I think that’s bogus. Theories and teaching benefit society, sure. But buildings and manual labor benefit society much more. Pontificating about things doesn’t get things done.

The poster also said that, “Professors have to do a lot of hard work, with not much of a monetary reward.” I think that’s laughable. Of course, this depends on what you consider “hard work” to be. Research and studying may be mentally challenging, but most people would prefer that to manual labor, don’t you agree? Furthermore, I seriously doubt the average manual labor/construction job has a salary of $70k+.

paulmdoro said:
Only it isn’t.

Oh yes it is

The constitution was founded on that exact principle…..keep federal government as small as possible and give it only absolutely necessary powers so liberty is the top priority.

The founding fathers themselves believed that government is to be kept at bay. That’s what makes the constitution such an important document….because it’s sole purpose was to “restrict” the government’s power over the people.

kairos said:
Oh yes it is

The constitution was founded on that exact principle…..keep federal government as small as possible and give it only absolutely necessary powers so liberty is the top priority.

The founding fathers themselves believed that government is to be kept at bay. That’s what makes the constitution such an important document….because it’s sole purpose was to “restrict” the government’s power over the people.

But smaller isn’t always and automatically better because it depends on who is running it. If the people running it are corrupt, incompetent morons, smaller isn’t necessarily going to be better.

Haimerej said:
“Worthy” has nothing to do with it.

If you’ll recall, I was responding to someone saying that college professors “cared more about society as a whole.” I think that’s bogus. Theories and teaching benefit society, sure. But buildings and manual labor benefit society much more. Pontificating about things doesn’t get things done.

The poster also said that, “Professors have to do a lot of hard work, with not much of a monetary reward.” I think that’s laughable. Of course, this depends on what you consider “hard work” to be. Research and studying may be mentally challenging, but most people would prefer that to manual labor, don’t you agree? Furthermore, I seriously doubt the average manual labor/construction job has a salary of $70k+.

Lots of people are overpaid and underpaid.

paul, just the other day there was a thread talking about Palin’s education. She’s a college graduate, but most of our left wing posters claimed that meant nothing. It seems a college education only means you’re smart if you’re on the political left.

paulmdoro said:
But smaller isn’t always and automatically better because it depends on who is running it. If the people running it are corrupt, incompetent morons, smaller isn’t necessarily going to be better.

But the corruption will have a lesser impact.

Turn that around-

What if the “corrupt, incompetent morons” are running things on a much larger scale?

writer said:
paul, just the other day there was a thread talking about Palin’s education. She’s a college graduate, but most of our left wing posters claimed that meant nothing. It seems a college education only means you’re smart if you’re on the political left.

I guess some people believe that. What can you do?

“MichelleF says: It’s so sad that you lie SO much that you just assume everyone else does too. Sad indeed!”

Wait a minute, if your son came home from college and said he heard stories that Mormons were a cult of Christianity…you wouldn’t want him to provide some sort of proof other than “stories”?

The argument makes no sense. You go to universities to learn, and sometimes you don’t like what you learn and thats okay. Because of Free Will your allowed to choose how you think. But to label or come up with ratios like 80/20 seems somewhat spurious. I could turn this around and say all those students you’ve heard or who are on facebook, are just basically pissed off because they got a bad grade in that “english, liberal arts” class. Oh wait liberal arts, means that they obviously are liberals. Right? I mean all English professors or humanities professors must be liberals right? All of them. That just doesn’t even make logical sense.

Haimerej said:
But the corruption will have a lesser impact.

Turn that around-

What if the “corrupt, incompetent morons” are running things on a much larger scale?

That’s why size isn’t the only issue. Reagan tried to shrink government and deregulate everything he could, but the results were often disastrous. That’s just one example, of course, but it shows that there’s more to the issue than just size alone.

I can do a mean tango. But I don’t think it helps in this situation.

paulmdoro said:
Lots of people are overpaid and underpaid.

Says who? Just because a manual labor position pays less, doesn’t mean that’s some kind of “injustice.” Professors are (generally) more intelligent than other people, therefore uniquely qualified and deserving of greater compensation for their skills.

Just don’t try to say that they “work harder” than the average person. That’s ridiculous.

BBC Director General Mark Thompson has admitted the corporation was guilty of a ‘massive’ Left-wing bias in the past.

The TV chief also admitted there had been a ‘struggle’ to achieve impartiality and that staff were ‘ mystified’ by the early years of Margaret Thatcher’s government.
But he claimed there was now ‘much less overt tribalism’ among the current crop of young journalists, and said in recent times the corporation was a ‘broader church’.
He claimed there was now an ‘honourable tradition of journalists from the right’ working for the corporation.

His comments, made in the New Statesman magazine, are one of the clearest admissions of political bias from such a senior member of its staff.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1308215/Yes-BBC-biased-Mark-Thompson-admits-massive-lean-Left.html

Haimerej says: What if the “corrupt, incompetent morons” are running things on a much larger scale?”

Um, I’d guess I’d question how corruption had become so endemic to the system that no matter how big or small it is, corruption was a part of it?

Wait, maybe some is inherently wrong with the system? Just asking, not really drawing any conclusions. However, as someone who has definitely been to college once or twice…I surely shouldn’t question the system or I might be a “liberal leftist.”

Haimerej said:
Says who?

People with brains and common sense.

I agree it is ridiculous to claim that college professors work harder than “average people,” whatever that even means.

paulmdoro said:
That’s why size isn’t the only issue. Reagan tried to shrink government and deregulate everything he could, but the results were often disastrous. That’s just one example, of course, but it shows that there’s more to the issue than just size alone.

What were these “disastrous” consequences?

I find that many opponents of shrinking government often confuse deregulation with allowing for criminal activity. No one wants things like fraud to go unpunished. But you have to admit there are certain regulations that do nothing but increase the revenue for government at the expense of a free market. Consider children getting fined for having lemonade stands because they didn’t get a permit.

Socrates69 said:
Haimerej says: What if the “corrupt, incompetent morons” are running things on a much larger scale?” Um, I’d guess I’d question how corruption had become so endemic to the system that no matter how big or small it is, corruption was a part of it? Wait, maybe some is inherently wrong with the system? Just asking, not really drawing any conclusions. However, as someone who has definitely been to college once or twice…I surely shouldn’t question the system or I might be a “liberal leftist.”

What magical system are you thinking of that is corruption free?

paulmdoro said:
But smaller isn’t always and automatically better because it depends on who is running it. If the people running it are corrupt, incompetent morons, smaller isn’t necessarily going to be better.

Wait….wait…..wait

You just missed the most logical point your statement glosses over

You’re right….who is running government definitely is a factor…..corrupt people will abuse power

Now how do you miss THIS simple but oh so utterly logical point….

If corrupt people are in power….what is better?

For them to have access to a large governments power or

For them to be more restricted in the abuses they can institute by being in a smaller government with less overarching reach

Again….it is incredibly simple and your point about corruption makes the point about having a smaller government even more important

“Azarkhan says: BBC Director General Mark Thompson has admitted the corporation was guilty of a ‘massive’ Left-wing bias in the past.”

Don’t disagree that there is bias Az, just disagree that leftists are taking over the country through higher education indoctrination. Are they’re colleges that are considered Liberal…you betcha. Are their colleges considered conservative you betcha. And are there shades of gray in areas of between. You betcha.

Do you seriously believe one side has all of the answers? That there is only one solution to all of the ills in America?

paulmdoro said:
That’s why size isn’t the only issue. Reagan tried to shrink government and deregulate everything he could, but the results were often disastrous. That’s just one example, of course, but it shows that there’s more to the issue than just size alone.

You missed his point completely

Smaller government = less power to abuse

Haimerej said:
What were these “disastrous” consequences?

I find that many opponents of shrinking government often confuse deregulation with allowing for criminal activity. No one wants things like fraud to go unpunished. But you have to admit there are certain regulations that do nothing but increase the revenue for government at the expense of a free market. Consider children getting fined for having lemonade stands because they didn’t get a permit.

I agree that some regulations “do nothing but increase the revenue for government at the expense of a free market.”

The disastrous consequences were numerous scandals resulting in 138 members of the Reagan administration being convicted, indicted, or formally investigated for various criminal activities, the most in US history. Said scandals included officials in HUD and the EPA and the S&L debacle, all of which ended up costing taxpayers billions upon billions of dollars.

kairos said:
You missed his point completely

Smaller government = less power to abuse

Not true. See my above post.

Haimerej said:
Who’s contribution benefits society more- a company that creates jobs or a history teacher? I’m not denigrating history (it’s one of my favorite subjects), but history doesn’t feed people. History doesn’t give people self worth and the dignity of providing for themselves or their family that a job does. Average salary of a professor in the US- $76,382. I’m sure they “do a lot of hard work” during their summer vacations too.

I’m going to have to completely dissagree with you here.

Companies are generally founded by eductated people. Without an education they would not understand the mechanisms required to run a company successfully. Just try and get a job at any major corporation without a degree?

Sure, you don’t need a degree to be a bricklayer, and in my mind that job is just as important as an executive at a corporation. But to assume that a bricklayer would have more “self worth and dignity” without an education is ludicrous.

Socrates69 said:
Do you seriously believe one side has all of the answers?

No. I believe the Left has none of the answers.

paulmdoro said:
People with brains and common sense. I agree it is ridiculous to claim that college professors work harder than “average people,” whatever that even means.

Why did you put average people in quotes?

You also might want to refresh yourself on economics and market fundamentals before saying that people are “overpaid or underpaid.” People’s salaries are what the job is worth to the person employing them and what the employee agrees to work for.

Haimerej says: What magical system are you thinking of that is corruption free?

Actually none. Its why I like voting people in and out of office, and I support and believe in a system thats based on representative government. Which means sometimes I get guys I like in office making decisions I don’t like, and sometimes I do.

And when corruption is found, along with unstated bias and hypocrisy I’m allowed to criticize and call foul. Of course I can laugh at irony too, and not take myself too seriously.

Doesn’t mean the sky is falling, and doesn’t mean that doom is around the corner, just because someone said so.

paulmdoro said:
Not true. See my above post.

Wow

I honestly can’t see how you simply cannot comprehend such an obvious point of logic

So you’re basically saying you’d rather have a big government with non-corrupt politicians?

Ok….how do you propose to make sure those politicians are “not” corrupt?

You can’t

Since you can’t guarantee their integrity, what can you guarantee?

ONLY….that if they are corrupt that they have the least amount of power to abuse.

My way is a check on government based on actual real controls….your way is based on hope of integrity which you cannot control

I’ll take my way

Azarkhan says: No. I believe the Left has none of the answers.”

Thats actually refreshingly honest. So if your left of center you have nothing to contribute to the national debate. And to further conclusion, if anyone disagrees with you, they’re automatically wrong.

Is that correct?

paulmdoro said:
I agree that some regulations “do nothing but increase the revenue for government at the expense of a free market.” The disastrous consequences were numerous scandals resulting in 138 members of the Reagan administration being convicted, indicted, or formally investigated for various criminal activities, the most in US history. Said scandals included officials in HUD and the EPA and the S&L debacle, all of which ended up costing taxpayers billions upon billions of dollars.

How can you say people committing crimes that they get punished for is the result of shrinking government and deregulating?

If they deregulated, then they wouldn’t have committed crimes, right?

“kairos says: My way is a check on government based on actual real controls….your way is based on hope of integrity which you cannot control”

I will assume you mean free market here too, and do you then feel that believing in the market is not the same thing of hoping it will work towards the better?

That in a completely unregulated economy the market will always do the right thing?

Haimerej says: If they deregulated, then they wouldn’t have committed crimes, right?”

Hang on…your saying that because they were found guilty, that proves that regulations work?

I’m an objectivist in essence…..so I am for as free a market as possible.

Some basic form of market regulation is of course necessary….antitrust, safety regulations, fair wage considerations, etc.

But other than that I believe in the principle of separation of economy and state in essentially the same aspect as separation of church and state.

The government does not belong in the free market economy in any respect other that that delineated above.

SpineCrusher said:
I’m going to have to completely dissagree with you here. Companies are generally founded by eductated people. Without an education they would not understand the mechanisms required to run a company successfully. Just try and get a job at any major corporation without a degree? Sure, you don’t need a degree to be a bricklayer, and in my mind that job is just as important as an executive at a corporation. But to assume that a bricklayer would have more “self worth and dignity” without an education is ludicrous.

I don’t have an education beyond high school. I am starting my own business right now. The meme that a university degree is somehow “required” to be an entrepreneur denies the very history of this country. There are many successful people in the world who didn’t go to college or dropped out.

Furthermore, I didn’t say a bricklayer would have MORE self-worth and dignity without an education. I’m not denigrating education. I said that a JOB gives you more self worth than knowing history. There are too many people who get their education and have nothing but debt to show for it for me to accept the premise that being educated = self worth.

Finally, as you’d see in my post, I was responding to an individual who said that professors cared more about society as a whole than average people. I take umbrage with the notion that a teacher’s contribution to society is somehow more worthy than the contributions made by people who actually do things that benefit everyone, like construction workers for example.

paulmdoro said:
What are you blabbering about?

It is your blabbering and blabbering and blabbering,

Like the President said…Just Words…Just Words.

I would like to see a solution from you…just one time….Kid!

Socrates69 said:
Haimerej says: If they deregulated, then they wouldn’t have committed crimes, right?” Hang on…your saying that because they were found guilty, that proves that regulations work?

I’m saying that if they were found guilty, that means they broke the law.

If they broke the law, that means there was a law to break.

If their corruption was due to deregulation, then how could they have a law to break?

The simple fact is that deregulation and shrinking government has nothing to do with corruption. Corruption is breaking a law.

You’re arguing the strawman that libertarians are anarchist. Laws have their place in society. But there are many laws and regulations that are counterproductive, that have no moral value and are merely meant to increase revenue to the government.

“kairos says: But other than that I believe in the principle of separation of economy and state in essentially the same aspect as separation of church and state.”

Two things. Thats a really interesting analogy. Can’t help but see some major differences between the too. One dictates to spiritual beliefs that are basically in the realm of the person’s on individual definitions of faith.

That other seems to have alot more direct effect on our corporeal bodies.
In fact, I think a “free market” is just as much as utopia as communism. Both don’t work. One’s infinitely more preferable to the other because it dictates to self-interest.

And self-interest always seems to go to extremes in an unregulated free market economy.

Haimerej said:

Laws have their place in society. But there are many laws and regulations that are counterproductive, that have no moral value and are merely meant to increase revenue to the government.

This ^^^^

Socrates69 said:
“kairos says: But other than that I believe in the principle of separation of economy and state in essentially the same aspect as separation of church and state.”

Two things. Thats a really interesting analogy. Can’t help but see some major differences between the too. One dictates to spiritual beliefs that are basically in the realm of the person’s on individual definitions of faith.

That other seems to have alot more direct effect on our corporeal bodies.
In fact, I think a “free market” is just as much as utopia as communism. Both don’t work. One’s infinitely more preferable to the other because it dictates to self-interest.

And self-interest always seems to go to extremes in an unregulated free market economy.

You miss one incredibly salient point in your argument.

A free market economy that has sufficient antitrust control to maintain competition….self regulates. Bad policies are detrimental to the corporations that institute them, and will eventually result in their demise.

Government IS a monopoly. There is no true way to regulate government except by limiting it as much as possible, which again was the primary purpose of our constitution.

Right now our government has acted against the will of the people, even if you don’t agree. It is corrupt and all that can be done is to hope the people are in tuned enough and active enough to make changes through voting, but that does not change the power base…the structure.

I don’t trust the monopoly that is our government far more than I don’t trust economic darwinism to regulate a competitive free market.

Haimerej says: You’re arguing the strawman that libertarians are anarchist. Laws have their place in society. But there are many laws and regulations that are counterproductive, that have no moral value and are merely meant to increase revenue to the government.”

No arguing that at all. I don’t believe absence of a law means no crime has been committed, and I also don’t believe all regulations are bad. (Not saying you do by the way).

I do believe that our society and economy has become more complex. ie Toyota recalls…computers in the car regulating acceleration…etc. There are regulations on the books that say Toyota has standards it must meet. It didn’t meet those standards. In a pure market, we might bemoan my fate as I crash to my fiery doom, and say “oh well his friends and family can just switch to another car manufactuer.” In a regulated economy, Toyota has to go through the expense of testing and making its making cars do what they say they’re going to do.

I’d prefer a government thats helping me look out for those things, rather than depend on the unregulated business to do so.

One other big point about the free market is that it is not national

It is international

By over regulating OUR interests we simply destroy OUR market.

Look at what this nation has become because of over regulation….an empty non producing shell of it’s formal self.

We transformed our economy into a buyer borrower economy instead of a seller lender economy…..that is just inherently bad for this nations prosperity

We are going to pay a heavy price for it….we already are paying a price for it

Between the comments to this post and the diversion into the “Olbermann went to Ag School” meme from yesterday, I’d say the pitchforks may be firmly in hand.

kairos says: You miss one incredibly salient point in your argument.

A free market economy that has sufficient antitrust control to maintain competition….self regulates. Bad policies are detrimental to the corporations that institute them, and will eventually result in their demise.

Government IS a monopoly. There is no true way to regulate government except by limiting it as much as possible, which again was the primary purpose of our constitution.”

No I didn’t, I don’t agree with it. Our government by the Constitution is not a monopoly. It can’t be. If no voting occurred then I’d say your right. If our elected officials stayed in power for all of their adult lives, I’d view that as a monopoly.

There are spoofs, and one off’s course, just as there corporations that abuse the market, but I’d much rather trust a government to have my back than a corporation. In effect, I believe we have a pretty good system, and I don’t believe its acted against the will of the people that voted for it. And I also believe that corporations that look only at the short term, are destined to fail.

Socrates69 said:
Haimerej says:
Toyota recalls…computers in the car regulating acceleration…etc. There are regulations on the books that say Toyota has standards it must meet. It didn’t meet those standards. In a pure market, we might bemoan my fate as I crash to my fiery doom, and say “oh well his friends and family can just switch to another car manufactuer.” In a regulated economy, Toyota has to go through the expense of testing and making its making cars do what they say they’re going to do.

I’d prefer a government thats helping me look out for those things, rather than depend on the unregulated business to do so.

But our government can’t regulate Toyota….we can only regulate Toyota facilities here in the states. They can simply up and leave to a more suitable location if they feel abused. And we lose production and jobs.

You even made the point yourself above….”oh well his friends and family can switch to another manufacturer”…..EXACTLY

If Toyota is perceived as dangerous and shows no inclination to correct it….people will go to another manufacturer and Toyota will go out of business…..free market darwinism….self regulation.

Azarkhan said:
Dedicated to the Sky Goddess Valkyrie- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEem90BAbcM

Never defile the Goddess. Believe me, they can seriously take care of themselves.

“Look at what this nation has become because of over regulation….an empty non producing shell of it’s formal self.

We transformed our economy into a buyer borrower economy instead of a seller lender economy…..that is just inherently bad for this nations prosperity”

No I disagree again, and to the contrary of what the gentleman said above, I”m not seeing pitchforks here.

Our economy has changed. Period. We produce and make different things now than we did 50 years ago. Unions need to get on with it, and so do short term greed oriented corporations.

I don’t disagree that we’ve mangled our financial system, but to blame the borrowers and not the lenders for their shortsightedness doesn’t address the issue, and really solves no problems. And government is a problem in the sense that its allowed itself to be held hostage to interests lobby groups. I don’t think reform is necessary as much as the self-interested has to be re-directed to the understanding whats in my self-interest is doing the right thing by like not borrowing more than I can afford. And helping others get that too. Ditto for corporations.

Socrates69 said:
kairos says:
No I didn’t, I don’t agree with it. Our government by the Constitution is not a monopoly. It can’t be. If no voting occurred then I’d say your right. If our elected officials stayed in power for all of their adult lives, I’d view that as a monopoly.

There are spoofs, and one off’s course, just as there corporations that abuse the market, but I’d much rather trust a government to have my back than a corporation. In effect, I believe we have a pretty good system, and I don’t believe its acted against the will of the people that voted for it. And I also believe that corporations that look only at the short term, are destined to fail.

Many government officials DO stay in power their entire adult lives….look at your reps. Our voting populace has been disinterested and complacent and our government has abused it’s trust.

I agree….we need hard term limits to end this monopolization of power(it’s what it is)

It has acted against the will of the people. This very administration and congress is passing laws that the people do not approve of. This is why there are gatherings in town halls and in masses all over….these are disenfranchised people who feel betrayed. Maybe it’s a big enough movement to lay the hammer down, but damage is already being done. You may feel like the government is working fine for you, but I feel like it’s acting in a corrupt and unconstitutional manner in many ways, and others feel the same.

I will never trust the government to truly serve my best interests….I believe it’s inherently a corrupt institution and that’s why I believe the only true effective solution is to reduce it’s size as much a possible….again like the constitution intends.

You even made the point yourself above….”oh well his friends and family can switch to another manufacturer”…..EXACTLY

Uh I’d like to avoid the fiery crash part before I buy their car…I’d rather not be a market statistic. I mean ideally that would be nice.

@kairos: I’m not up on all of the auto regs and way off-topic for this post, but other than workplace rules, most auto manufacturer regulation is centered upon the standards that a car must meet to be sold, here. This used to include import quotas, something which may have fallen by the wayside, but it and shipping costs were the reasons that many “foreign” car companies opened facilities in the US.

IOW: Even if Toyota were to move offshore, their product would still have to qualify for the American market.

kairos says: I will never trust the government to truly serve my best interests…”

Why ever vote a new guy in then? And yeah I agree with term limits. Maybe the law of unintended consequences would have other positive effects on the entire system.

Question: How do you feel about companies that move their headquarters or incorporation papers to places like the Grand Caymans?

Socrates69 said:
And government is a problem in the sense that its allowed itself to be held hostage to interests lobby groups.

Yes….another instance of why separation of economy and state is a stance of mine. The less the two interact…the less government corruption there will be from corporate interests.

Government has no need to be involved in the economy….it really doesn’t. It’s just intrusive and an infringement.

Kairos, got to catch a plane would to debate more, and your perspective has given me something to think about. Thanks.

Socrates69 said:
You even made the point yourself above….”oh well his friends and family can switch to another manufacturer”…..EXACTLY

Uh I’d like to avoid the fiery crash part before I buy their car…I’d rather not be a market statistic. I mean ideally that would be nice.

Again….you can’t regulate Toyota…you can only regulate their facilities here. The regulation doesn’t mean there’s no fiery crash waiting for you.

Magister said:
@kairos: I’m not up on all of the auto regs and way off-topic for this post, but other than workplace rules, most auto manufacturer regulation is centered upon the standards that a car must meet to be sold, here. This used to include import quotas, something which may have fallen by the wayside, but it and shipping costs were the reasons that many “foreign” car companies opened facilities in the US.

IOW: Even if Toyota were to move offshore, their product would still have to qualify for the American market.

I don’t know specifics….I’ll take your word for it….but how would we ensure things like the accelerator problem doesn’t happen, regardless of standards that need to be met. Obviously we can’t since that problem occurred with those standards in place.

valkyrie101 said:
Never defile the Goddess. Believe me, they can seriously take care of themselves.

It was meant as an honor. And an abject confession.

Socrates69 said:
Kairos, got to catch a plane would to debate more, and your perspective has given me something to think about. Thanks.

No problem socrates….good conversation between a couple of greeks

catch you later

Socrates69 said:
Haimerej says: You’re arguing the strawman that libertarians are anarchist. Laws have their place in society. But there are many laws and regulations that are counterproductive, that have no moral value and are merely meant to increase revenue to the government.” No arguing that at all. I don’t believe absence of a law means no crime has been committed, and I also don’t believe all regulations are bad. (Not saying you do by the way). I do believe that our society and economy has become more complex. ie Toyota recalls…computers in the car regulating acceleration…etc. There are regulations on the books that say Toyota has standards it must meet. It didn’t meet those standards. In a pure market, we might bemoan my fate as I crash to my fiery doom, and say “oh well his friends and family can just switch to another car manufactuer.” In a regulated economy, Toyota has to go through the expense of testing and making its making cars do what they say they’re going to do. I’d prefer a government thats helping me look out for those things, rather than depend on the unregulated business to do so.

Well, no company would last long selling products that don’t “do what they say they’re going to do.” Many of the governmental regulations add a greater cost to the development of the product, making it harder for many consumers to purchase that product.

Talking about cars, the regulations that Raplh Nader got passed, for example, had no demonstrable impact on the rate of decline in authomobile deaths. Consumers wanted safer cars and the auto companies were making safer cars BEFORE Nader went on his crusade. Nader said the Corvair was “unsafe at any speed” and essentially got a cheap car that poorer people could afford taken off the market. When the government finally got around to testing it, they found it was just as safe as comparable cars that were still on the market.

I was lucky enough to go to a college where the teachers expose you to different ideas instead of trying to brainwash you into being a progressive. However, Mr. Beck is right, there are colleges where they teach you to hate America, hate Israel, hate white people, hate the rich, hate Christianity, love Islam, hate capitalism, etc, etc, etc. You only have to look at the press releases from FIRE to know the kind of indoctrination that occurs and many colleges.
http://thefire.org/newsroom/pressreleases/

Socrates69 said:
kairos says: I will never trust the government to truly serve my best interests…”

Why ever vote a new guy in then? And yeah I agree with term limits. Maybe the law of unintended consequences would have other positive effects on the entire system.

Question: How do you feel about companies that move their headquarters or incorporation papers to places like the Grand Caymans?

Because voting is all we have…..even if I say I don’t trust government, it’s not absolute…..I’m not a complete cynic.

I would prefer to keep every part of a company in the states….I want us to create a more friendly corporate environment here in the US…..not a hostile one like we have now.

see you later

Hey, the Universities gave us the SDS and the Weathermen, a Barry favorite, so this is not new.

kairos said:
Yes….another instance of why separation of economy and state is a stance of mine. The less the two interact…the less government corruption there will be from corporate interests. Government has no need to be involved in the economy….it really doesn’t. It’s just intrusive and an infringement.

If you look at it, monopolies are usually created by government. Special interest groups generally lobby to make things harder for the up and comers. It’s protectionism, plain and simple. They take advantaged of unregulated markets to become successful, then they lobby Congress to pass regulations that make it more difficult for others to do what they did. It’s a great way to keep competition out of your hair.

The same thing basically happened with financial reform. The banks that are going to truly be hit by it are the small banks. The ‘too big to fail” banks are already in a position to be able to handle any new regulations and stay afloat, even prosper.

Azarkhan said:
It was meant as an honor. And an abject confession.

How unlike you to be honoring me. No, its too late, the Goddess is hurt by your comment, and her punishment is a bitch.

I could ride you at a gallop until your legs buckled and your eyes rolled up. I’ve got muscles you’ve never even dreamed of.
I could squeeze you until you popped like warm champagne, and you’d beg me to hurt you just a little bit more.

I’m begging.

WATCH OUT THE UNIVERSITIES ARE DESTROYING AMERICA AHHHH TEACHING BOOK READING AND SCIENCE CHARLES DARWIN WAS IN LEAGUE WITH THE DEVIL EVERYONE RUN OBAMA HATES WHITE PEOPLE HE WILL KILL US ALLL AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OBAMA IS A SLEEPER CELL MUSLIM WHO HATES GOD

Tis further proof that the majority of Republiscum are grossly uneducated & have always been unable to qualify for the “better” universities. Nothing new here. Their record of hating education is legenday. And Murcuh’s undereducated rancid masses the laughing stock of the civilized world.

Obama hates half of himself?

Haimerej said:
If you look at it, monopolies are usually created by government. Special interest groups generally lobby to make things harder for the up and comers. It’s protectionism, plain and simple. They take advantaged of unregulated markets to become successful, then they lobby Congress to pass regulations that make it more difficult for others to do what they did. It’s a great way to keep competition out of your hair.

The same thing basically happened with financial reform. The banks that are going to truly be hit by it are the small banks. The ‘too big to fail” banks are already in a position to be able to handle any new regulations and stay afloat, even prosper.

exactly

People look to government regulation and interaction as a hedge to corporate abuses but disregard how government corruption and malfeasance can and does do the exact opposite far too often.

Look at the bailouts and TARP and these recent incursions into the private sector….these are government abuses that reek of corruption and backhanded dealings.

Separation of Economy and State

I simply stand by this

gotta split

Beck needs to keep people away from higher learning because anyone with even a half-way decent education will figure out that Beck doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about very often. Oh, but he’s so convincing with his lies and ignorance.

Beck is a liar, a hypocrite and a charlatan, but to his flock Beck boldly speaks truth to power. Beck doesn’t want education to get in the way of that.

“Last night, Glenn Beck had a textbook Glenn Beck-style address in which he hyperbolically dug into both progressive universities and Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius within the same 30 seconds.”

*LOL* Clearly someone hasn’t been to college. Beck’s right, and he only went for a semester! Shows how much you know, Cunningham. Universities are massive Progressive indoctrination sites, enabled by the failed tenure system. Progressives love that of course, they’re not fans of accountability and compensation based on performance… you know, actually earning a living rather than being entitled to it.

GlennBeckReview said:
Beck needs to keep people away from higher learning because anyone with even a half-way decent education will figure out that Beck doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about very often. Oh, but he’s so convincing with his lies and ignorance.

You mean a half-way decent indoctrination. Yeah, without the doctrination you won’t be able to figure out that Beck doesn’t know what’s he’s talking about. I mean basing arguments off logic and reason, what’s that all about? He must not have been a liberal arts major, that explains it!

Azarkhan said:
I could ride you at a gallop until your legs buckled and your eyes rolled up. I’ve got muscles you’ve never even dreamed of.I could squeeze you until you popped like warm champagne, and you’d beg me to hurt you just a little bit more. I’m begging.

I hope you are not making fun of her. Carry a rag.

writer said:
Obama hates half of himself?

Which half?

http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2010/09/glenn-beck-palins-opened-up-their-home.html

Tony Westover says: “Yeah, without the doctrination you won’t be able to figure out that Beck doesn’t know what’s he’s talking about. I mean basing arguments off logic and reason, what’s that all about?”

Are we talking about the same Glenn Beck? Beck doesn’t use reason. Hell, why do you think he changed Jefferson’s words from “more approv[ing] the homage of reason” to “surely rather honest questioning” in his book and in his speech Saturday. Beck does NOT pay homage to reason. Beck uses fear-mongering coupled with deceits of various sorts.

My understanding is that last night Beck pulled one of his common tactics of deceit and quoted Sebelius out of context to turn her into a radical “re-educating” Americans. Fox and Beck so mislead Americans about the Health Care Reform bill that education about what is actually in it is necessary. But hey, Beck’s deceitful ways roll on.

Honor my ass! The man has never had honor!

The bottom half, valk.

Glen Beck is 100% on point. The Liberal indoctrination propaganda used by Professors in our colleges on young an highly impressionable students is reprehensible.

Their ams two many smart peoples! Stop making moar smart peoples!

You think yor so big!

CAconservative said:
Glen Beck is 100% on point. The Liberal indoctrination propaganda used by Professors in our colleges on young an highly impressionable students is reprehensible.

It usually only works on the stupid kids who won’t amount to anything. I didn’t fall for it, and I’m making out much better than my Progressive friends from college who gobbled up their professors’ propaganda.

GlennBeckReview said:
Are we talking about the same Glenn Beck?

You mean the one that you obsess over?

Yes, we are. Your bigotry has of course made you incapable of rational thought, so nobody’s trying to convince you of anything here. You’re worthless, why would we bother? We’re just pointing and laughing at you like the village idiot that you are.

Dance, monkey!

GlennBeckReview said:
Are we talking about the same Glenn Beck?

Tony Westover says: “You mean the one that you obsess over?

Yes, we are. Your bigotry has of course made you incapable of rational thought, so nobody’s trying to convince you of anything here. You’re worthless, why would we bother? We’re just pointing and laughing at you like the village idiot that you are.

Dance, monkey!”

That’s what you learned in college? Where did you go to school, Fox News U or Beck U?

Ad hominem attacks are the first resort of those unable to defend the indefensible.

Try again, Tony. This strategy is tiring and ineffective. Got anything else in your arsenal besides childish name-calling? I hope so; you’re approach so far is not going to work here except with the like-minded wing-nuts.

GlennBeckReview said:
GlennBeckReview said:
Are we talking about the same Glenn Beck?

Tony Westover says: “You mean the one that you obsess over?

Yes, we are. Your bigotry has of course made you incapable of rational thought, so nobody’s trying to convince you of anything here. You’re worthless, why would we bother? We’re just pointing and laughing at you like the village idiot that you are.

Dance, monkey!”

That’s what you learned in college? Where did you go to school, Fox News U or Beck U?

Ad hominem attacks are the first resort of those unable to defend the indefensible.

Try again, Tony. This strategy is tiring and ineffective. Got anything else in your arsenal besides childish name-calling? I hope so; you’re approach so far is not going to work here except with the like-minded wing-nuts.

DANCE! *LOL* Maybe I’ll give you a treat if you entertain me. Or maybe I’ll just kick you in your cage.

“No, it isn’t Kim Jong-Il of anyone to say that the healthcare bill is confusing.”

But that isn’t what Sebelius said.

EVERYONE should be very afraid when an Administration official starts using terms such as “re-education”.

And it IS very Ho Chi Minh of her.

Maybe if you are so young that you don’t even know about the “re-education” camps in Vietnam (or were so stoned back then that you never realized what was happening), you MIGHT have an excuse to laugh at Beck for his concern.

But if you know that former South Vietnamese troops were forced to attend these camps after the North violated the peace treaty and overran the South, and as many as 90% didn’t come out of them (mostly the well-educated officer corps), you would take things a little more seriously.

If Rick Sanchez can fall all over himself while apologizing for using the term “cotton-picking”, then Sebelius can either apologize for carelessly using her “re-education” remark, or explain to us how the 0bama administration is going to force people into these “re-education” sessions (in VietNam, they did it at gunpoint).

One thing that distinguishes many rightwing people is their ignorance of history and lack of self-awareness, and a college education is certainly not a necessary a or crucial ingredient in making for a successful and normal life. However, it doesn’t take an Einstein to understand why most, and certainly the majority of top universities are liberal and progressive bastions. How could it be otherwise when you do have some of the best and brightest congregating in these places. The Teabaggers are really the harbingers of a the dumbing down process that people get involved with during uncertain and fearful times. There are always the Becks, Limbaughs and Palins as well as most Republican politicians and many Democrats who will manipulate and demagogue any situation. Why are there virtually no rightwing writers and leaders who have sensible and workable ideas asides from their cries for small government, low taxes, no abortion and a love of militarism. Bush II brought many totally unqualified people from tenth rate schools and put them into high governmental positions and look what happened. Why these people don’t see that Beck is a supreme nut job with no understanding of reality and no shame. Trying to co-opt Martin Luther King is a historic joke which he will forever be remembered by. Beck and possibly Palin will be off the stage within 6-12 months simply because they can’t possibly transcend their contradictions and bs, but, never fear, they will be replaced by other strange characters. I’m trying to fanthom why so many of my fellow Americans are taken in by this stuff. Don’t they understand that this is being generated by a handful of rich, powerful and cynical people like Murdoch and the Koch bothers who really don’t give a damn about them. And judging from the comments on this blog, all I can say to my fellow progressives and liberals is fight on, we shall overcome – fortunately, demographics are on our side. What we’re dealing with is a rear guard action from people who are beginning to sense, hopefully, that they’re on the wrong side of history.

Nick Andrelli says: “And it IS very Ho Chi Minh of her.”

Sure it is. Fox Noise has miseducated its viewers about the bill for months, so re-educating people is exactly what needs to be done. If they round up Fox viewers and put them into re-education camps, then we’re talking Ho Chi Minh, Mao Tse Tung and Joseph Stalin.

Nick, you need to stop watching the crazy-con, Glenn Beck. I know this might be news to you, but he is an uneducated, deceitful, hypocritical, ignorant fear-monger. Believing ANYTHING he has to say is very Beckerhead of you.

This sounding vaguely familiar. “If you don’t support the war you’re helping the terrorists and not a real patriot”

“If you don’t agree with what we’re saying you’re supporting socialism, you’re a communist, a fascist, a Nazi, and you’re being brainwashed.”
Careful, if your church uses code words like Social justice then run, leave the church.
If a university or school is offering a different world view then it’s indoctrination.
Good Lord. Isn’t that transparent nonsense?
Maybe Glenn can get Joe McCarthy to rise from the dead and help him out.

Dan, Beck has been resurrecting McCarthy even since he got on Fox “News.”

Did you notice that during Beck’s speech, Lincoln’s statue got up and walked out?

“Sure it is. Fox Noise has miseducated its viewers about the bill for months, so re-educating people is exactly what needs to be done. ”

—Typical progressive, you think people are stupid just because they don’t agree with you. Guess what? I read about the bill, I’ve seen what’s it’s the bill, and I don’t like your goddamm bill. Not everyone wants government healthcare, not everyone buys into government solutions.

GlennBeckReview said:
Dan, Beck has been resurrecting McCarthy even since he got on Fox “News.”

Did you notice that during Beck’s speech, Lincoln’s statue got up and walked out?

LOL, that’s funny right there man. I don’t care who ya r.

CAconservative said:
Glen Beck is 100% on point. The Liberal indoctrination propaganda used by Professors in our colleges on young an highly impressionable students is reprehensible.

How dare they teach those kids t think for themselves.

And judging from the comments on this blog, all I can say to my fellow progressives and liberals is fight on, we shall overcome – fortunately, demographics are on our side. What we’re dealing with is a rear guard action from people who are beginning to sense, hopefully, that they’re on the wrong side of history.

From reading and studying history it seems to me that the ones who are the most “controversial” among their cotemporaries, as time passes, tend to be on the right side of history. True conservatives learn from history. Progressives (Neo-cons and/or Lib Democrats) tend to want to forget history, unless it suits their own political ends

Dsiscokid, you’re full of bull. It’s pseudo-historians like BEck and Barton who cherry pick history to suit their narrative. Both are flat out liars. I caught a lie Barton said that even Barton doesn’t believe.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/07/david-bartons-revisionist-claim-on.html

GBR, I read your link and it looks like you did your homework on Barton and Beck with this issue. Do you also check up behind those on the Left? Particularly those on CBS, ABC, MSNBC, AP, NY Post, WaPo, etc?
Or NBR, PBS, Major Universities such as Yale, Harvard, Columbia, NYU, etc.? Hollywood? Just curious…

“How dare they teach those kids t think for themselves.”

—But they don’t teach them to think for themselves, they teach them what to think! They only assign progressive books, they glorify people like Che Guevara and Fidel Castro, they lie to the students, they ridicule opposing points of view, it’s the Marxist/MSNBC way!

Dsiscokid said:
GBR, I read your link and it looks like you did your homework on Barton and Beck with this issue. Do you also check up behind those on the Left? Particularly those on CBS, ABC, MSNBC, AP, NY Post, WaPo, etc?
Or NBR, PBS, Major Universities such as Yale, Harvard, Columbia, NYU, etc.? Hollywood? Just curious…

There are only so many hours in the day. If some sincere conservative would like to fact check Olberman and Maddow I’m all for it. We need the facts.

greg454 said:
“How dare they teach those kids t think for themselves.”

—But they don’t teach them to think for themselves, they teach them what to think! They only assign progressive books, they glorify people like Che Guevara and Fidel Castro, they lie to the students, they ridicule opposing points of view, it’s the Marxist/MSNBC way!

you’ll have to provide more than an opinion to convince me. I’m sure professors can be opinionated and influential but here in America we allow different ideas to be considered. I have a little more faith in our youth to consider different points of view and decide for themselves.

CosmosDan said:
There are only so many hours in the day. If some sincere conservative would like to fact check Olberman and Maddow I’m all for it. We need the facts.

Olbermannwatch.com

StandUp said:
Olbermannwatch.com

Thanks I didn’t know about that site.

To clarify, I don’t mind a pundit giving a view that is slanted toward their political view. I do expect them to do a decent amount pf research and present facts, in I hope a reasonable somewhat fair minded fashion. IMO Olberman is a blowhard. Occasionally he makes a decent point but I can’t tolerate his overall attitude for the most part. I find his “worst person in the world” routine to be judgmental and insulting. I have similar feelings for Beck and Hannity. So far Maddow seems to be the most concerned about fact checking her material but I confess, I haven’t watched her that much either.
I do think they all ought to invite more guests to present opposing views. Give a chance to someone who is able to intelligently articulate a viewpoint rather than start a shouting match for ratings.

greg454 said:
“How dare they teach those kids t think for themselves.” —But they don’t teach them to think for themselves, they teach them what to think! They only assign progressive books, they glorify people like Che Guevara and Fidel Castro, they lie to the students, they ridicule opposing points of view, it’s the Marxist/MSNBC way!

Who is “they”??? Both of my kids graduated from college, and neither one of them was indoctrinated in that manner. Neither one of them was told glorifying things about Castro or Che Guevara. They were not lied to; they were given opposing points of view — as I was in college and graduate school. You are making a strawman argument without substance.

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Noam Chomsky

He is an Institute PROFESSOR and PROFESSOR emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Chomsky is well known in the academic and scientific community as one of the fathers of modern linguistics, and a major figure of analytic philosophy. Since the 1960′s, he has become known more widely as a political dissident and an anarchist,referring to himself as a libertarian socialist.

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Zbigniew Brzezinski

He is currently Robert E. Osgood PROFESSOR of American foreign policy at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies, a scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and a member of various boards and councils.

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