Goes to show Olbermann’s stupidity. Finding something to go after Beck on is like trying to hit the Grand Canyon with a rock…..and Olberass goes with Anti-Semite.

Liberals love their race baiting and now they are implying Anti-Semitism.

Interestingly Obama had the solid support of the Nation of Islam which is heavily racist and anti-Semitic.

Obama’s own racist church gave Louis Farrahkan a “Lifetime Acheivement Award”. Yet Louis Farrahkan is terrible Anti-Semite;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn-ipVJcq1U

…and Michelle Obama even posed with Louis Farrahkan’s wife;

http://www.culturejamforlife.com/nobama2008/images/obama_farrakhan.jpg

Here is Farrahkan blasting Jewish people and gays;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkZ2K5yxLFE

So why wasn’t Keith Olbermann OUTRAGED about that?

Obama himself was extremely chummy with PLO terrorist front man in the USA who was extremely anti-Israel.

Now this is racism.

Rev. Jesse Jackson referred to Jews as “Hymies” and to New York City as “Hymietown” in January 1984 during a conversation with a black Washington Post reporter, Milton Coleman. Jackson had assumed the references would not be printed because of his racial bond with Coleman, but several weeks later Coleman permitted the slurs to be included far down in an article by another Post reporter on Jackson’s rocky relations with American Jews.

Latin2 said:
Liberals love their race baiting and now they are implying Anti-Semitism.

Interestingly Obama had the solid support of the Nation of Islam which is heavily racist and anti-Semitic.

Obama’s own racist church gave Louis Farrahkan a “Lifetime Acheivement Award”. Yet Louis Farrahkan is terrible Anti-Semite;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn-ipVJcq1U

…and Michelle Obama even posed with Louis Farrahkan’s wife;

http://www.culturejamforlife.com/nobama2008/images/obama_farrakhan.jpg

Here is Farrahkan blasting Jewish people and gays;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkZ2K5yxLFE

So why wasn’t Keith Olbermann OUTRAGED about that?

The issue is Beck.

The Real Royal King said:
The issue is Beck.

No the issuse is Olbermann…since this is a story about Oblermann trying to imply anti-Semitism.

I am pointing out Oblermann didn’t speak out against Obama’s close ties with the racist and anti-Jewish AND ANTI-GAY Louis Farrahkan and his Nation of Islam, plus Obama’s own pastor was anti-Israel

I do not believe Beck was being anti-Semitic here. To be sure, Beck is the most deplorable of cretins, and he is always spouting off some racially-tinged, or here, ethnically-tinged to feed his menagerie. In other words, it was a Beckerhead combination of lack of caution and pandering. However, this is something about which we all need to be cautious. Outside of Compound W, the world is brimming full of us Roman Catholics. And those of us who attended Catholic schools as late as the 1970′s were still being taught, or still the subjects of references to the Christ Killers and the perfidious Jews. Beck was, as usual, highly, highly irresponsible.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Goes to show Olbermann’s stupidity. Finding something to go after Beck on is like trying to hit the Grand Canyon with a rock…..and Olberass goes with Anti-Semite.

That’s a very good point. As loathsome as Beck is, Olbermann is an able competitor for that honor.

“Calling Beck “anti-Semitic””

Gee, given Leftist obsequiousness towards Muslims and the recent incidents and media coverage related to Gaza, I thought the Left had the monopoly on anti-Semitism.

I don’t watch Beck because he comes on when I am working, but I have seen Olbermann and he is…well let’s just say…a buffoon.

On last night’s Countdown, host Keith Olbermann unloaded on Glenn Beck for a remark he made that implied that Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus.

The Jews were largely responsible for the death of Jesus. Though it was the Romans that actually crucified him, he was tried by Jews. (Caiaphas, anyone?) Thing is, pointing that out is no more anti-semetic than pointing out that Jesus was a Jew, which is to say not at all.

Plenty of anti-semites have used the Christ-killer argument against Jews. But the fact remains that according to Christianity, Jesus was sent here to become man and sacrifice His life for the salvation of man. He was supposed to die, as part of God’s plan, and if he didn’t there would be no such thing as Christianity.

Rather, I would surmise that it is a symptom of conservative contempt for what they derisively call “political correctness,” the idea that it’s too hard to keep track of all the things that offend people. When someone says, “I don’t buy into all that PC stuff,” what they’re really saying is, “I’m too lazy to learn about people, and too arrogant to apologize.”

Really, Tommy? I don’t buy into all that PC stuff, but I am aware of the actual historical facts of the situation, something yourself and Mr. Olbermann seem to be too lazy to learn.

Glenn Beck is ignorant about most subjects. That’s why Zaitchik’s book is subtitled, Glenn Beck and the Triumph of Ignorance. That, of course, doesn’t stop Beck from addressing the subject.

There’s a reason that his supporters don’t recognize the extent to which Beck lies. It’s not just that they, too, are ignorant. It has to do with how a very partisan mind works (or doesn’t work to be more precise). See Beck’s lies and the people who believe them. http://www.examiner.com/x-55810-Syracuse-Progressive-Examiner~y2010m7d15-Becks-lies-and-the-people-who-believe-them

When is the last time you changed your mind about a political matter based upon new facts?

Oh, and if you have ever heard Beck speak of Israel, you know he’s no anti-semite.

Latin2 said:
Obama himself was extremely chummy with PLO terrorist front man in the USA who was extremely anti-Israel.

Rashid Khalidi.

Pablo said:
Rashid Khalidi.

Don’t forget Dr. Khalid Al-Monsour Obama’s early benefactor was also a racist and anti-Jewish.

Olbermann is not the polar opposite of Beck. Olbermann is the polar opposite of Bill O’Reilly. Beck is far more extreme and out of the mainstream than Olbermann is. The proof for this assertions can be seen in who are the guests on their respective shows. Olbermann has politicians as guests; Beck has far right “experts.” One exception is Ron Paul who Beck has ironically attacked in the past. Paul is a far right extremist like Beck only far more likable.

The other big difference between Beck and Olbermann – besides the political gulf between them is that Olbermann is educated; Beck is not. Beck has never learned how to reason, use logic or think critically about his own views. This comes with a college education.

For a visual understanding of how Beck and Olbermann are not polar opposites, see What is the truth about Glenn Beck: http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/07/what-is-truth-about-glenn-beck.html

Pablo are you Latino?

Pablo said:
Oh, and if you have ever heard Beck speak of Israel, you know he’s no anti-semite.

That is an absurd conclusion to draw. There are many, many critics of the Israeli government who are not anti-Semitic, and there are many supporters of Israeli policy who are anti-Semitic. You might as well say, “Of course he likes seafood. He vacationed in Florida.”

The Real Royal King said:
That is an absurd conclusion to draw. There are many, many critics of the Israeli government who are not anti-Semitic, and there are many supporters of Israeli policy who are anti-Semitic. You might as well say, “Of course he likes seafood. He vacationed in Florida.”

uh…PLO is more than just a “critic” of Israel.

The Nation of Islam is more than just a mere “critic” of Israel.

Christopher wrote: “It’s about becoming a smarter, more empathetic person.” That’s not going to happen with conservative partisans. First, empathy is a characteristic that’s developed in an advanced mind, and that’s not something that conservatives lay claim to. More important is that conservatives and progressives have the tendency to not change their minds even in the face of new facts that are at odds with their beliefs. People want consistency. That’s why conservatives and reactionaries watch Fox “News” and liberals and progressives watch MSNBC. At least the latter is describes as “the place for politics.” Fox, on the other hand, is anything but “fair and balanced.”

For more on how partisans seek to avoid “cognitive dissonance” see Beck’s lies and the people who believe them:
http://www.examiner.com/x-55810-Syracuse-Progressive-Examiner~y2010m7d15-Becks-lies-and-the-people-who-believe-them

The Real Royal King said:
and there are many supporters of Israeli policy who are anti-Semitic.

Like who?

Latin2 said:
Pablo are you Latino?

Portuguese on one side, Irish on the other, mostly.

Pablo said:
Portuguese on one side, Irish on the other, mostly.

;)

Pablo said:
Like who?

Many of the former Eastern Block countries. The Rev. Jerry Fartswell, of fond memory. Others.

The World!!!

Try again, King. Your fail is showing.

“When someone says, “I don’t buy into all that PC stuff,” what they’re really saying is, “I’m too lazy to learn about people, and too arrogant to apologize.”

Of course, one can reach the opposite conclusion. For example, the more I learn about Leftists, the more I despise them.

GlennBeckReview says:
July 16, 2010 at 9:43 am

Glenn Beck Review says, “LOOK AT MY SITE! LOOK AT MY SITE!”

Everything else is just filler.

GlennBeckReview says:
July 16, 2010 at 9:52 am

Olbermann is the polar opposite of Bill O’Reilly.

Hmmm, not a terrible point:

O’Reilly is known for vigorous debate. Olbermann doesn’t talk to people who disagree with him.
O’Reilly can criticize both sides of the aisle. Olbermann only attacks Republicans and non-left-wingers.
O’Reilly has a very popular show. Most people haven’t heard of Olbermann.

And so on.

Not a terrible point.

This comes with a college education.

Yes… and for KO, so does farming.

Pablo says: :Oh, and if you have ever heard Beck speak of Israel, you know he’s no anti-semite.”

Pablo, I think you’re right. Maybe you should start a blog: The Countdown Review to fact check Olbermann’s claims.
Having critically examined Beck’s claims and language, I suspect that Beck was being sloppy in his articulation as is often the case. He does not have a disciplined mind and has said, “I am a recovering dirt bag.” He has a long way to go. Beck would do will to practice critical self examination, and to that end would benefit from reading The Glenn Beck Review.

When someone says, “I don’t buy into all that PC stuff,” what they’re really saying is, “I’m too lazy to learn about people, and too arrogant to apologize.”

Yup… and when I need to apologize for not being PC enough… I always grab a Hallmark card.

Yes sir… the PC police always do a good job, and haven’t gone overboard at all.

/sarcasm

Percy Sutton describes how Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour asked him to write a letter for Barack Obama to get into Harvard;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcC0QAd0Ug&feature=related

Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour spouting Anti-Jewish conspiracy theories to Muslim people;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIrWrxuR_GM&feature=related

(that is why Farrahkan calls American Jewish people as “those FALSE Jews”)

Here is again spouting anti-Jewish conspiracies, not just anti-Israel rhetoric;

Remember this man is the person the who went and requested powerfully connected black leaders to help Obama get into Harvard.

Mental illness runs in Glenn Beck’s family. For his sake and his family, I hope he gets checked out. Something is not right with him. He is either a fraud, or he believes what he says.

GlennBeckReview said:
Pablo, I think you’re right. Maybe you should start a blog: The Countdown Review to fact check Olbermann’s claims.

I would, but I’d rather not be the second biggest loser on the internet.

Is Olbermann trying to outdo the racist naacp Playing the Race-Card? – with the Anti-Semite Card??

It’s a good thing the Democratic base is so uninformed!! LOL!

Christopher writes that Beck “wants to be granted extraordinary leeway, while he makes his career by granting none.”
This is both true and an indication of Beck’s hypocrisy. Beck takes stands against his supposedly principles positions on free speech, accepting “loser,” unearned, awards, his use of comparisons to Nazi Germany, to attacking the President’s family, which he still does, to telling the truth and being honest and on and on. Beck has no real principles. He has a strategy for making tons of money off gullible people, and it’s working.

Beck is to political discourse as arsenic is to mammals: poison. Olbermann is more like pure grain alcohol. It’ll get your drunk, but it’s not very good for you.

Two perspectives that warrant time spent: Maddow on the left and G. Will on the right. Watching/reading one and not the other only reinforces what you believe. An open mind seeks the truth wherever it comes from.

The new testament says what it says. The Jewish scribes and pharisees wanted Jesus dead because he was a threat to them. However, Roman law did not allow the Jews to mete out capital punishment, so they brought him before Pilate, the Roman governor of Judea with the charge that Jesus was claiming to be the king of the Jews. It was obvious Pilate did not believe Jesus to be a threat, but the scribes and pharisees kept pushing it. In the end, Pilate tried to use a provision in the Roman law to pardon Jesus by asking a large crowd of Jews if they would like to pardon either Jesus or Barabbas. Barabbas was a Jew who had killed a Roman soldier. The crowd chanted “Barabbas” over and over. And so Jesus’ fate was sealed. The new testament says that the crowd was stirred up by the scribes and the pharisees and that the chants for Barabbas were started by them.

So it was really the Jewish religious leadership, the scribes and the pharisees who orchestrated the killing of Jesus. To say that it was the “Jews” who killed Jesus is an absurd broad brush of what the bible says.

GBR, you should love Beck. He seems to be the whole of your existance.

Michelle, remember, GBR claims to be unbiased when he checks Beck. LOL!

Judging from his comments here, that couldn’t be further from the truth. What a douche.

GBR needs a theme song.

MichelleF says:
July 16, 2010 at 10:29 am

GBR, you should love Beck. He seems to be the whole of your existence.

Have you ever been to Syracuse? If you have, you know that “existence” is all they’ve got going for them. If it weren’t for the university, the mall, and the Dinosaur BBQ (all overrated in my opinion), GBR might be doing the most exciting thing there is to do there!

Typical Olbermann – if he can’t attack Beck, he doesn’t have a show.

Sometimes the same with mediaite — without Beck and FNC, there would be fewer and fewer articles on this board.

Olbermann is the loon.

MSNBC=meltdown

The Real Royal King said:
He wants to be granted extraordinary leeway, while he makes his career by granting none.

I also do not think Beck was being anti-semitic. Just the opposite, in fact. Here is what he said:

“This is kind of complex, because Jesus did identify with the victims. But Jesus was not a victim. He was a conqueror…Jesus conquered death. He wasn’t victimized. He chose to give his life….If he was a victim, and this theology was true, then Jesus would’ve come back from the dead and made the Jews pay for what they did. That’s an abomination.”

Glenn is clearly saying that the justification for the historical hostility against the Jews, that because they killed Jesus they deserve to be persecuted, was rejected by Jesus and is therefore an abomination. That’s the way I read it. The notion that Jesus was killed by Jews, or because of Jews, and that Jesus was himself a Jew, is just part of New Testament history. Though, whether that is historically accurate or not, indeed, whether Christ was an actual historical figure, has not been proven. But believing that the Jews killed one of their own, per the Bible, is much different than the historical argument that “because Jews killed Jesus then they deserve to be punished.” Glenn rejected that as an abomination.

Sorry King, I pasted the wrong quote. :-)

valkyrie101 says:
July 16, 2010 at 10:54 am

Wow… can’t believe I’m going to say this, but… nice job Val.

Interesting recap.

If Glenn attracts anti-semites, he ripped their heart out with this one.

…that is what rodeo clowns do.

“GBR needs a theme song. ” Pablo

Your face appears again, I see the beauty there
But I see danger, stranger beware
A circumstance in your naked dreams
Your affection is not what it seems

You are an obsession, you’re my obsession
Who do you want me to be to make you sleep with me

My fantasy has turned to madness
All my goodness has turned to badness
My need to possess you has consumed my soul
My life is trembling, I have no control

Love that song!

Sometimes the same with mediaite — without Beck and FNC, there would be fewer and fewer articles on this board.

So true TfT. Glenn’s already mocked this story and the one regarding his contract on his show today. He has alot of fun with their lack of journalistic integrity.

Have to do it justice-all the lyrics:

You are an obsession, I cannot sleep
I am a possession unopened at your feet
There is no balance, no equality
Be still I will not accept defeat

I will have you, yes I will have you
I will find a way and I will have you
Like a butterfly, a wild butterfly
I will collect you and capture you

You are an obsession, you’re my obsession
Who do you want me to be to make you sleep with me
(x2)

I feed you, I drink you by day and by night
I need you, I need you by sun or candlelight
You protest, you want to leave
You say there’s no alternative

Your face appears again, I see the beauty there
But I see danger, stranger beware
A circumstance in your naked dreams
Your affection is not what it seems

You are an obsession, you’re my obsession
Who do you want me to be to make you sleep with me
(x2)

My fantasy has turned to madness
All my goodness has turned to badness
My need to possess you has consumed my soul
My life is trembling, I have no control

I will have you, yes I will have you
I will find a way and I will have you
Like a butterfly, a wild butterfly
I will collect you and capture you

You are an obsession, you’re my obsession
Who do you want me to be to make you sleep with me
(x2 an fade)

MichelleF said:
Sometimes the same with mediaite — without Beck and FNC, there would be fewer and fewer articles on this board. So true TfT. Glenn’s already mocked this story and the one regarding his contract on his show today. He has alot of fun with their lack of journalistic integrity.

Right, Glenn and journalistic integrity. LOL.

Talk
it’s only talk
Arguments
agreements
advice
answers

Articulate announcements
It’s only talk

Talk
it’s only talk
Babble
burble
banter
bicker bicker bicker
Brouhaha
boulderdash
ballyhoo
It’s only talk
Back talk

Talk talk talk
it’s only talk
Comments
cliches
commentary
controversy
Chatter
chit-chat
chit-chat
chit-chat

Conversation
contradiction
criticism
It’s only talk
Cheap talk

Talk
talk
it’s only talk
Debates
discussions
These are words with a D this time
Dialogue
dualogue
diatribe

Dissention
declamation
Double talk
double talk

Talk
talk
it’s all talk
Too much talk
Small talk
Talk that trash
Expressions
editorials
expugnations
exclamations
enfadulations
It’s all talk
Elephant talk
elephant talk
elephant talk

Yes, and Mormons believe that incest is best among family members! Ah, religion. You know, there are many things you can belive in that you can’t really see like Atoms but, God? Sorry but, I’m not buying that one. Pass your collection plate to some other dupe!

I also agree that I don’t believe Beck was showing anti-semitism. I think it was a far reach for Olberman. Perhaps to show another sign of racism from the right. The other problem I have with this segment is when Olberman made the statement, someting to the effect, that Beck tells his audience what they want to hear. Clearly, that is what Olberman does as well.

GlennBeckReview said: The other big difference between Beck and Olbermann – besides the political gulf between them is that Olbermann is educated; Beck is not. Beck has never learned how to reason, use logic or think critically about his own views. This comes with a college education. http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/07/what-is-truth-about-glenn-beck.html

I do have to take issue with this statement. I think there are those of us that have not had a college education that most certainly can reason, use logic and be critical about our own views. Look at both sides of an issue and know there is little truth on both sides and decide through educating ourselves past the bias. Jesus, how I wish that the news media would just report the news without bias and allow most people that ability, to reason and logic on their own, instead of using Beck, O’Reily Olberman and Maddow etc to do this for them (the public). I suppose the political left and the right think they will lose votes from evan more uninformed people that don’t care to research and educate themselves on the issues, who stands where and ultimately won’t vote. Personally I think this is more of the reason we have people that won’t use critical thinking, reasoning and logic.
: http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/07/what-is-truth-about-glenn-beck.html

Yes, and Mormons believe that incest is best among family members!

Wow Rox, way to slander a religion that you obviously know nothing about. Classy, as always!

roxsteady said:
Yes, and Mormons believe that incest is best among family members!

That may be the dumbest thing I read all day.

If Helen Thomas had to be banished because of what she said then Glenn Beck deserves to be fired and shunned for being the miserable Jew-hater he really is.

I didn’t mean to end with the Url for GBR. Screwed up with the deleting of html. Sorry!

roxsteady said:
Yes, and Mormons believe that incest is best among family members!

That may be the dumbest thing I read all day.
Pablo

Give her time-the day isn’t over.

I think it’s hilarious how all the right-wing fucktards in this threat think tu quoque is a valid argument. It isn’t. Logic is just too much for these wankers.

@Valkyrie:

Thank you! I hope this opens the way for more rational and honest discussion on the site, and I hope that the author of this article learns from your example. The trick he tries to pull is only presenting a clip to Olbermann’s side of the argument, while saying that he’s “going to give Beck the benefit of the doubt here, as I don’t think a charge of anti-Semitism or racism should be made lightly.”, then offering supposition as to why it was said, when the entire quote already explains it satisfactorily as you have shown. At the very least, Christopher could have posted the clip in which Beck made the comment. But he’s far more interested in promoting attacks on the right than actual journolistic integrity.

“At the very least, Christopher could have posted the clip in which Beck made the comment. But he’s far more interested in promoting attacks on the right than actual journolistic integrity.”

Tommy Tommy’s not about that. Like most of the writers on Mediaite, he’s pro-left. Besides, as you can see from most of the comments, this site is about vicious, ad hominen attacks. Go with the flow, have fun!
But whatever you do, don’t expect “rational and honest discussion”.

Jelperman said:
I think it’s hilarious how all the right-wing fucktards in this threat think tu quoque is a valid argument. It isn’t. Logic is just too much for these wankers.

What tu quoque? Olbermann is aggressively ignorant and quite wrong. End of story.

Pablo says: “I would, but I’d rather not be the second biggest loser on the internet.”

I didn’t think you’d want to do this much actual work. You, more than most, need to read “How facts backfire:” http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/?page=full

On second thought, it’s clear that your mind is clamped shut already. You engage in sleazy, right wing tactic like attacking the messenger when you don’t like (actually have a closed mind toward) the facts about the man you idolize. It’s not surprising that fans of Glenn Beck behave like sleazy, name calling (albeit) ignorant tools: you learn well grasshopper.

Pablo, you want to keep calling me a “loser,” knock yourself out. It says a lot more about you I. Just don’t believe that non-partisan, objective readers are impressed in any positive way with this Beckian approach to dealing with his detractors..

I have a novel idea Pablo: prove that I’m wrong. Beck is a liar, a hypocrite and a fake pundit. You can start by defending Beck’s claim that the Constitution that he so “loves” and “understands” is supported by “faith, hope and charity” instead of by the SCOTUS, public consent and the structures of national security. Perhaps you agree that on these ideas, Beck is indeed an ignorant and uneducated fake. (I won’t hold my breath.)

Via the Jerusalem post:

Only 10% of Israelis think US president is pro-Israel.

I think 10% of Israelis haven’t been paying attention.

GlennBeckReview said:
Glenn Beck is ignorant about most subjects. That’s why Zaitchik’s book is subtitled, Glenn Beck and the Triumph of Ignorance. That, of course, doesn’t stop Beck from addressing the subject.

There’s a reason that his supporters don’t recognize the extent to which Beck lies. It’s not just that they, too, are ignorant. It has to do with how a very partisan mind works (or doesn’t work to be more precise). See Beck’s lies and the people who believe them. http://www.examiner.com/x-55810-Syracuse-Progressive-Examiner~y2010m7d15-Becks-lies-and-the-people-who-believe-them

You call Beck ignorant
You call Me ignorant

Glenn is not, I am not, can’t speak for the millions that listen, watch, and read Glenn

but

for sure YOU GlennBeckReview are out of touch with REALity

When is the last time you changed your mind about a political matter based upon new facts?

GlennBeckReview said:
Just don’t believe that non-partisan, objective readers are impressed in any positive way

…with the guy who’s obsessed with Glenn Beck.

“Glenn Beck is ignorant about most subjects. Zaitchik’s book is subtitled, Glenn Beck and the Triumph of Ignorance… his supporters…they, too, are ignorant”

What? “Triumph of the Will” was already taken?

MichelleF said:
Via the Jerusalem post:

Only 10% of Israelis think US president is pro-Israel.

I think 10% of Israelis haven’t been paying attention.

Indeed, Michelle in Utah, your policy of bankrupting the US to provide welfare to Israel is wise and prudent.

MichelleF said:
Yes, and Mormons believe that incest is best among family members!

Wow Rox, way to slander a religion that you obviously know nothing about. Classy, as always!

I think it completely possible to take exception to any cult and to know it very well, indeed. Cult love tends to be the exclusive province of the cultists.

So KO, the race-baiter is now playing the anti-Semite card.

LOL

GlennBeckReview said:
Pablo says: “I would, but I’d rather not be the second biggest loser on the internet.”

You are a coward of the first order.

roxsteady says:
July 16, 2010 at 11:31 am

Yes, and Mormons believe that incest is best among family members! Ah, religion.

Well of course incest is best among family members… how can you have incest WITHOUT family members? Then it would be incest… duh.

But more importantly… not they don’t, and you’re a bigot for insulting other people’s religious beliefs, especially when they don’t affect you.

Remember folks… people who want to oppose the mosque at Ground Zero are intolerant… but folks like Roxy, who openly lie about Mormons to attack Beck… well, they’re the open minded and tolerant left we keep hearing about.

You know, there are many things you can belive in that you can’t really see like Atoms but, God? Sorry but, I’m not buying that one. Pass your collection plate to some other dupe!

It’s important for EVERYONE to believe what Roxy believes. Tolerance, is for people who aren’t as awesome (and angry) as Roxy.

Jelperman says:
July 16, 2010 at 11:45 am

I think it’s hilarious how all the right-wing fucktards in this threat think tu quoque is a valid argument. It isn’t. Logic is just too much for these wankers.

I actually think it’s funnier, the people who are so desperate to attack Beck that they don’t talk about the issue, they don’t back up Olbermann’s claim, they’re too afraid to criticize KO, and they result to name calling and insults! That’s what I find funny.

But then again, you’ve always made me laugh.

GlennBeckReview says:
July 16, 2010 at 11:57 am

You engage in sleazy, right wing tactic like attacking the messenger when you don’t like (actually have a closed mind toward) the facts about the man you idolize.

Yes… don’t attack the messenger! Now, read up on GBR’s attack on Beck… who in this case, isn’t the messenger… so it’s not hypocritical for him to complain at all.

Nope… not at all. GBR… not a hypocrite for having a website to attack the massager.

Nope… not at all.

dowdaytrader says: “You call Beck ignorant You call Me ignorant Glenn is not, I am not, can’t speak for the millions that listen, watch, and read Glenn but for sure YOU GlennBeckReview are out of touch with REALity

When is the last time you changed your mind about a political matter based upon new facts?

My wife was questioning her own open mindedness this morning after reading the story about facts. I asked her this exact question. She’s still thinking about it, but my answer is nuclear power. Before that, when I was in grad school, war (just war) and nuclear deterrence. If you think I’m close minding, you’re barking up the wrong tree.

Next, I did not call you ignorant. I’ve not addressed dowdaytrader, so your accusation is as honest as many of Beck’s. (You, too, learn well Grass Hopper.) Zaitchik called Beck ignorant. He and I disagree on this. I think that Beck’s well aware that he’s a lying POS. He said recently, “I’m a recovering dirt bag.” I agree, but assert that he has a long way to go.

Now, dowdaytrader, if you want to assert that you’re not ignorant, you might want to demonstrate a basic understanding of grammar. I’m just saying….

Jelperman said:
I think it’s hilarious how all the right-wing fucktards in this threat think tu quoque is a valid argument. It isn’t. Logic is just too much for these wankers.

Yes, hypocrisy is the domain of libs.

GlennBeckReview said:
When is the last time you changed your mind about a political matter based upon new facts?

Well, I used to think Bart Stupak was principled, but then the facts changed my mind.

Garafalo calls out OLBERMANN, SHULTZ, MATTHEWS, & CARVILLE as ‘RACISTS’ for criticizing the POTUS!!

GARAFALO!!! – GARAFALO!!!! – They’re eating their own!!!

http://www.breitbart.tv/garofalo-exposes-hidden-racism-of-obamas-toughest-critics/

MichelleF said:
Via the Jerusalem post: Only 10% of Israelis think US president is pro-Israel. I think 10% of Israelis haven’t been paying attention.

Its a wonder the conservatives are so gung ho about Israel since Israel has numerous socialist institutions, not to mention all those kibbutzes all over the place.

I heard Beck live when he made that comment and I have to say that as a Jew myselt I was a little disturbed. but I’m going to give him a pass on this one because he’s clearly NOT anti-Semitic, and he clearly IS a good friend of Israel.

one thing always bothers me about this issue of “the Jews” killing Jesus. today, when we read the Gospel of John eg, we hear “the Jews” and we assume that there were THE JEWS on one side and NOT THE JEWS on the other. in point of fact, it was pretty much ONLY Jews–well, ok… Jews and Romans. so while it’s true that “the Jews” killed Jesus, it’s also true that “the Jews” were Jesus’ followers. there weren’t any Christians yet…and of course there wouldn’t be any Muslims for a long, long time.

anyone who’s interested in this subject should read Elaine Pagels’ wonderful book “The Origin of Evil.”

GlennBeckReview considers Olbermann to be more ‘mainstream’. If by mainstream, you mean extreme far left ideologue. This is the same Olbermann who said that anyone criticizing Obama is only doing so because of racism, then turned around and criticized Obama for sending more troops to Afghanistan.

Another of the uber-spinmeister rants. I don’t think there is anyone else who can spin more lies and deceit into one sentence like Olbermann.

Obama’s pastor for twenty years is anti-semitic, yet most Jewish voters went for Obama and didn’t hold it against him. Has Olbermann commented on that?

GlennBeckReview said:
Glenn Beck is ignorant about most subjects. ………….

There’s a reason that his supporters don’t recognize the extent to which Beck lies. It’s not just that they, too, are ignorant.

@ 12:49 pm GLENBECKREVIEW WRITES….

GlennBeckReview said:

Next, I did not call you ignorant. I’ve not addressed dowdaytrader,

U might try reading what you actually wrote GLENNBECKREVIEW…

“It’s not just that they, too, are ignorant. ”

GLENNBECKREVIEW= mistaken & ignorant

IM_NOT_BLUE, YOU’RE_NOT_RED either. You’re a reactionary! (Orange) and you’re like Beck in some ways: misleading, deceitful and yellow. I’d explain the color reference, but you’d point your finger and write: “I told you so.” To summarize, Beck is yellow the way yellow journalists are yellow, pushing emotional buttons rather than informing. Yellow also applies to a flag: warning, what you’re about to hear on this (Glenn Beck) program may be completely disconnected from both reality and reason. Watch at your mind’s risk.

You and other Beckerheads can’t stand that I have my foot up Beck butt. Instead of addressing my claims, you attack me personally even though you don’t know dick about me.

Want to know why I chose the URL for my blog as sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com? Because this is what Beck does. For him it’s self promotion in order to make money. For me it’s counter strategy to spread the words far and wide: Glenn Beck is a liar, a hypocrite and a charlatan. I prove these claims day in and day out, and I’ve shown that his guests are sleazy propagandists as well. Barton, the historical revisionist, is the least respected by other historians, but I proved that even Professor Schweikart of the University of Dayton made a claim that has no bearing in reality.

If you think more people need to learn more about Glenn Beck, then please share this URL:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com

The future of his income depends on it. Oh, Beck thinks global warming is a scam, so it’s possible that the future of the Earth may also depend upon millions of people finding out that moving forward (progress) is better for the planet than moving backward (regress), the way Beck and his Beckerheads want us to go.

Help cure ignorance: share this URL.

GBR, because Beck has opinions you disagree with, that doesn’t mean he’s always lying. When he said Van Jones was a communist, then played a video of Jones himself saying he was a communist, please tell us exactly how Beck was lying.

Writer, we’ve been over this, using liberals own words against them is the definition of a conservative liar.

Typical Olbermann. Name-calling and ratcheting up the insults to the highest possible degree. Demonizing of those disagree with him. And a noticeable absence of any discussion of ideas and policies.

Keith, if you want to impress us, devote your show to explaining the wisdom of imposing programs the public doesn’t want, paid for by money we don’t have, and implemented by enormous government bureaucracies that don’t work. And if you are unable to come up with convincing arguments, you should just admit it, and not shout out insults at people with more sensible ideas.

valkyrie101 says:
July 16, 2010 at 1:05 pm

Its a wonder the conservatives are so gung ho about Israel since Israel has numerous socialist institutions, not to mention all those kibbutzes all over the place.

Kibbutzim are voluntary. If they were mandatory and you were forced to live there, that would be a problem. But they’re not, and the people aren’t.

Your statement fails.

GlennBeckReview says:
July 16, 2010 at 1:30 pm

IM_NOT_BLUE, YOU’RE_NOT_RED either.

Never said I was.

You’re a reactionary! (Orange)

Reactionary in what way?

and you’re like Beck in some ways: misleading, deceitful and yellow. I’d explain the color reference, but you’d point your finger and write: “I told you so.”

Huh? And where have I been “misleading, deceitful or yellow?” Just name calling… yeah, we know.

To summarize, Beck is yellow the way yellow journalists are yellow, pushing emotional buttons rather than informing.

Really… now the left is complaining about “using emotion?” Does the left even listen when the Democrats are in Congress, or do they just think nobody else does.

“Emotion” has been the tool of the left for a long long time. Right now, they’re talking about extending unemployment benefits. The right says, “How are we going to pay for that? Is it going to hurt the country in the long run? Will that discourage people from finding a real job?” And the left says, “Think about the poor folks trying to feed their family!”

Yeah, GBR… tell me about emotion as a bad thing. HA!

Yellow also applies to a flag: warning, what you’re about to hear on this (Glenn Beck) program may be completely disconnected from both reality and reason. Watch at your mind’s risk.

I see the same flag when you post.

You and other Beckerheads can’t stand that I have my foot up Beck butt.

Ew.

Instead of addressing my claims, you attack me personally even though you don’t know dick about me.

Well, honestly I just don’t want to inflate your ego by helping you get one more visitor. You’re already very proud that you’re the number one leftwing Beck hate site in Syracuse (which is like being the biggest gumball in an empty machine)… but encouraging your obsession is not on my to-do list.

I only know what you’ve written. You’ve posted that you’ve hosted a number of leftwing hate sites, so clearly you’re ideology is formed, and your goals are obvious. You dislike conservative opinion, and will slander and smear then any way possible. From your posts, we know that much of your criticism isn’t based in reality… and we know that you’re number one goal (at this point) is just to get more traffic back to your hate site.

That’s what we know about you. And honestly, I’m not sure we need to know more.

Want to know why I chose the URL for my blog as sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com?

No.

Because this is what Beck does.

So you want to show that Beck is bad, by being just like him? Uhhhh… I think I see a flaw in that strategy. Namely, the strategy.

For him it’s self promotion in order to make money.

To quote Roxy:

roxsteady says:
July 16, 2010 at 8:59 am

So Mrs. Obama should pretend that she’s poor because you are? Don’t hate the wealthy, try emulating them!

No substitute “Beck” in for “Mrs. Obama” and there you have it.

For me it’s counter strategy to spread the words far and wide: Glenn Beck is a liar, a hypocrite and a charlatan.

Yes, we know you hate all people who disagree with you… especially the successful ones, whom you think you can make a buck off slandering. We already know this.

I prove these claims day in and day out, and I’ve shown that his guests are sleazy propagandists as well.

Everyone that disagrees with you is bad.

Barton, the historical revisionist, is the least respected by other historians, but I proved that even Professor Schweikart of the University of Dayton made a claim that has no bearing in reality.

Everyone that disagrees with you is bad.

If you think more people need to learn more about Glenn Beck, then please share this URL:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com

I will not go to your site, I will not fund your obsession.

The future of his income depends on it.

The future of YOUR income depends on it more!

Oh, Beck thinks global warming is a scam, so it’s possible that the future of the Earth may also depend upon millions of people finding out that moving forward (progress) is better for the planet than moving backward (regress), the way Beck and his Beckerheads want us to go.

And this is related to anything?

Help cure ignorance: share this URL.

The best things in life are free
But you can keep ‘em for the birds and bees.
Now gimme money (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want)
That’s what I want (that’s what I want), oh-yeh,
That’s what I want.

Hi all you haters who seem to be on here all the time bashing anyones opinion that slightly differs from your own, Very sad. First time writer here.

Anyway, here’s the point: Forget Olberman ( if you possibly can for five seconds). As a non practicing Jew who doesn’t give a rats ass about organized religion ( or Olberman) ..I can tell you that the Jewish community DOES think someone is anti-semetic if they make the statement ” The Jews killed Jesus”. That’s why the Pope made that proclamation..to end that practice. So defend him all you want…there are millions of Americans who he just offended.

That’s just the way it is. Somethings will never change ( B Hornsby).

Sadstate, I don’t expect you to speak for all Jews, but since you stated you’re Jewish I’ll ask. Polls showed that most Jews voted for Obama. Obama went to a church for twenty years where his pastor is anti-semitic, and his pastor’s best friend, Louis Farrakhan, is anti-semitic. Yet Jews never made any connection and voted for Obama. Any thoughts on why?

Oh writer, since you brought up Louis:

Oops. NAACP Forgot to Scrub Their Rally Video With Farrakhan Before They Started Pointing Fingers at Tea Party Patriots (VIDEO)

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/

dowdaytrader said:
U might try reading what you actually wrote GLENNBECKREVIEW…

“It’s not just that they, too, are ignorant. ”

GLENNBECKREVIEW= mistaken & ignorant

repeating the words Liberals write causes acute Liberal foaming of the mouth ……

Sadstateofaffairs says:
July 16, 2010 at 2:00 pm

As a Jew myself… I’m not offended. Mostly, because that’s not actually what he said as has been pointed out above. And until you can show the “millions”… I wonder how you know how many are actually offended.

“Sadstate, I don’t expect you to speak for all Jews, but since you stated you’re Jewish I’ll ask. Polls showed that most Jews voted for Obama. Obama went to a church for twenty years where his pastor is anti-semitic, and his pastor’s best friend, Louis Farrakhan, is anti-semitic. Yet Jews never made any connection and voted for Obama. Any thoughts on why?”

Hi Writer. As I said..I don’t relate to any religions and speak for no one but myself. But I was raised and do have friends and relatives..and that’s how they think. And again…all you haters on this site can do is tie everything to Obama ( ps..I don’t vote, either). The subject is Glen Beck. It wasn;t Glen Becks pastor or his pastors friend who said this..it was Glen Beck.

Sadstateofaffairs says:
July 16, 2010 at 2:21 pm

Reconcile this for us:

2:21 pm

As I said..I don’t relate to any religions and speak for no one but myself.

VERSUS

2:00 pm

So defend him all you want…there are millions of Americans who he just offended.

So apparently you don’t speak for anyone but yourself… and the millions of other people he allegedly offended.

What?

Yes, Sadstate, the topic is about Beck. Just want some insight. Do most Jews think Beck is anti-semitic? And if so, why? And I think it relates to the topic to bring up Rev. Wright. After all, if Jews consider what Beck says to be offensive, then what do they think of Wright’s blatant anti-semitism? And like it or not, Obama does have ties to Wright. He went to his church for twenty years and referred to him as a ‘mentor’. So again, if a mere offhand comment by Beck is offensive, then why didn’t Jews seemingly pay any attention to Obama’s ties to anti-semitism?

The Jewish religious leaders and teachers of  Jesus’ day were the one’s who specifically sought His death. They did not believe he was the son of God , and grew weary that more and more people were turning against them and following Jesus. To make a long story short , The Jewish leaders thru Judas’s betrayal for silver coins, handed Jesus over to Romans and their Emperor Pontious Pilot  . They carried out Jesus’s death.   In another sense, according to the Bible teaching, we are all to blame since it is sin that made Jesus’ death a necessity which he knew was going to happen from the beginning. ( Judas’s Betrayal leading to him having to die on the cross )

Technically yes the Romans physically crucified Christ , but it was the Jewish leaders of the time , that turned their people against Jesus. 

IOW : A common doctrine Beck was conveying NOT anyway being anti-semtic but the opposite . that the liberals are using to create race and ethnic wars.

Olbermann you are a deplorable and uneducated idiot . AGAIN
 

atreyue said:
@Valkyrie: Thank you! I hope this opens the way for more rational and honest discussion on the site, and I hope that the author of this article learns from your example. The trick he tries to pull is only presenting a clip to Olbermann’s side of the argument, while saying that he’s “going to give Beck the benefit of the doubt here, as I don’t think a charge of anti-Semitism or racism should be made lightly.”, then offering supposition as to why it was said, when the entire quote already explains it satisfactorily as you have shown. At the very least, Christopher could have posted the clip in which Beck made the comment. But he’s far more interested in promoting attacks on the right than actual journolistic integrity.

And KO mentioning that the Romans killed Christ was completely stupid and out of line as much as anything Beck said. Why would anyone talk about this subject as if it was a real historical event, given that there is no solid historical evidence proving any of the Christ story, much less whether the nasty Romans get credit for it. The existence of Christ is nicely inferred from the writings and subsequent verifiable history of Christianity. But that is the best any of us can do, as objective observors. IMHO

valkyrie101 said:
I also do not think Beck was being anti-semitic. Just the opposite, in fact. Here is what he said:

“This is kind of complex, because Jesus did identify with the victims. But Jesus was not a victim. He was a conqueror…Jesus conquered death. He wasn’t victimized. He chose to give his life….If he was a victim, and this theology was true, then Jesus would’ve come back from the dead and made the Jews pay for what they did. That’s an abomination.”

That was a great post, Val.

Pablo said:
The Jews were largely responsible for the death of Jesus. Though it was the Romans that actually crucified him, he was tried by Jews. (Caiaphas, anyone?) Thing is, pointing that out is no more anti-semetic than pointing out that Jesus was a Jew, which is to say not at all.

Plenty of anti-semites have used the Christ-killer argument against Jews. But the fact remains that according to Christianity, Jesus was sent here to become man and sacrifice His life for the salvation of man. He was supposed to die, as part of God’s plan, and if he didn’t there would be no such thing as Christianity.

This is how I understand the history, according to the bible. When Passions came out, I asked my husbands uncle, who is an Italian Catholic Priest, what all the controversy was about, and if the story was *true* according to the bible. He said that the movie very closely, if not exactly, followed the story according to the bible.

It’s stupid to blame *Jews for killing Jesus* just as I feel it is stupid to continue to blame white people now for the past ugliness of slavery or for invading America. History is history, but to continue to blame people for something that happened 200 or 2000 years ago is silly.

And Olbermann is full of BS.

The Real Royal King said:
I think it completely possible to take exception to any cult and to know it very well, indeed. Cult love tends to be the exclusive province of the cultists.

Since this is such a mixed up thread let me admonish the King that the word cult, though having a technical scholarly definition, serves, at this point, as just an ad honinem and pejorative attack. New Religious Movement (NRM) works.

“When someone says, “I don’t buy into all that PC stuff,” what they’re really saying is, “I’m too lazy to learn about people, and too arrogant to apologize.”

Or it could just mean, I’m educated on all sorts of topics, but I’m tired of people whining all the time. Most of this outrage is manufactured and phony. If it’s all real outrage, well some people (mostly liberals, it seems) not to get hobbies, because they can’t spend their lives taking offense to everything they see, watch, hear, read, think about, smell, taste, touch, and even imagine.

ImNotBlue said:
Its a wonder the conservatives are so gung ho about Israel since Israel has numerous socialist institutions, not to mention all those kibbutzes all over the place.
Kibbutzim are voluntary. If they were mandatory and you were forced to live there, that would be a problem. But they’re not, and the people aren’t.
Your statement fails.

How do you figure? Do you agree that Israel has a number of socialist institutions, such as a nationalized health care, a national bank, etc? So that part of my statement, before the comma, is true. Correct? After the comma, referencing those “voluntary” communal arrangements called a “kibbutz”, those are all over the place. True? I did not suggest that the kibbutz was socialism.

So in this case, your criticism fails.

I wrote earlier that I agreed that Beck is not an anti-Semite. Sometimes he’s just really sloppy in how he expresses himself. This is from a transcript of his radio show today.

GLENN: Would you get — call James Robison or James Dobson or Richard Land and get one of them on the phone so we can talk. Now, I don’t know, you know, any Christian pastors but we’ll have to check with maybe Richard Land. Maybe Dr. Dobson. (See http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/43034/)

Beck doesn’t know any pastors?!? I doubt that’s true. Maybe it is. Maybe he never goes to church. Oh God, wouldn’t that be a hoot! A man who God speaks to doesn’t go to church.

Seriously, I’ve seen this several times. He’s not…how do I write this? He’s not very articulate. He’s got the gift of gab, but his lack of higher education comes through his words in how poorly he says what he’s trying to express. On the other hand, maybe Glenn Beck really doesn’t go to church. Hard to believe a lot of what Beck claims. Don’t try; much of it is outrage with a purpose (wealth).

Ah, Mormons have priests. That explains Beck’s comment. Apparently Rev. Jerry Falwell Jr. is not a pastor. Beck has had him on his show. Ah yes, the many burnt cells of an alcoholics brain.

valkyrie101 said:
And KO mentioning that the Romans killed Christ was completely stupid and out of line as much as anything Beck said. Why would anyone talk about this subject as if it was a real historical event, given that there is no solid historical evidence proving any of the Christ story, much less whether the nasty Romans get credit for it. The existence of Christ is nicely inferred from the writings and subsequent verifiable history of Christianity. But that is the best any of us can do, as objective observors. IMHO

I don’t have a problem with them both treating the death of Christ as a historical event. Given how much Christianity has influenced/informed history for the past 2000 years, in this context the story is so pervasive that whether it’s actually verifiable as history is more of a philosophical question as to the definition of history itself (although I certainly acknowledge your point). What makes KO more stupid and out of line than Beck is his deliberate misrepresentation of the facts, since they both already accept the premise. Too many people on both sides of the aisle use such underhanded techniques and pretend that validates their “points”. This more than anything else is what I think we need to refuse to allow, because it makes it impossible to have honest discourse. Of course, that’s why they do it…

Azarkhan said:
I will collect you and capture you

You are an obsession, you’re my obsession
Who do you want me to be to make you sleep with me
(x2 an fade)

too funny….

GlenBeckReview seems to be totally immersed in his subject.. very creepy
An obsession second only to his own self…

tired of thinking – you call that creepy? What do you call it when you basically suck up to anything Beck? What do you call it when Beck leads you and other nit-wits around by the nose and feeds you bullshit while you ask for seconds and thirds? What do you call that? A Beck suck-a-thon?

Ted said:
Ted says:

Did someone pass gas?

So much time, so many idle minds. I come home from work looking for a little light-hearted entertainment on Mediaite and what do I find. More Beck, more Olbermann, more pseudo-political controversy. First of all, who in their ‘right’ mind can watch Beck for more than one commercial break. He’s absolutely berserkers and not nice about it either. Olbermann, at least, doesn’t constantly insult one’s intelligence. The best comment on Beck is Jon Stewart’s recent send up of Beck’s performaning craft – it’s hilarious. I’m surprised at the lack of sophistication of many of the commentators on these pages. The body language and spoken language of Bush and Beck is totally erratic and inauthentic. Beck reminds me of Bush trying to be a cool guy. The both serve the same masters and they’re pretty evil characters. As for the religious wars: anti-semitism is a canard. As a Jew I know that while there are certainly remnants around, it’s basically over. Thanks Adolph Hitler. Who gives a rat’s ass whether Back is an anti-semite or not. What worse, he’s pushing incredibly confused and divisive ideas out to an ignorant public who watch this garbage. Have a great weekend. Go out and freshen your minds away from your computers.

Good thing Olbermann’s on the job, going after all those anti-Semites out there! Sure wouldn’t want any *Jew Haters* to slip by, unnoticed, and go without an Olby lashing!

Louis Farrakhan sends letter asking Jews for reparations

“This is an ugly and despicable document,” Morton Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America and one of the recipients of Farrakhan’s letter, told The Daily Caller. “The most frightening aspect of the letter was the threat of ruin and destruction if we do not comply with his demands, which is why we, at the ZOA, have sent a letter to President Obama urging him to speak out against it…The President has spoken about healing divisions between Jews and the Black community, this is a great opportunity for him to do so.”

Klein continued, “I am very concerned about the possibility of violence from this,” he said. “Every week outside our office there are several of Farrakhan’s men in bow ties passing out ‘The Final Call.’ They listen to everything he says. You know, it only takes one to act on his threat and that is quite concerning.”

“Dialogue does not begin with bigoted accusations,” said Abraham H. Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League and another letter recipient, in a public statement. “Farrakhan’s call for dialogue with Jews is so outrageous and disingenuous that you can’t believe anyone would take him seriously. And yet he continues to fill convention centers with those eager to bear witness to his bigotry, and to believe that he holds the truth. One wonders why there aren’t more voices in the African-American community willing to stand up and reject his hatred, his anti-Semitism. When will good people in the community be courageous enough to stand up and say, ‘enough already?’”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/16/louis-farrakhan-sends-letter-asking-jews-for-reparations/#ixzz0ttImIIMn

Yes, but if you point out Farrakhan’s anti-semitism (and that of his buddy Rev. Wright), Keith considers that to be very politically incorrect.

valkyrie101 said:
And KO mentioning that the Romans killed Christ was completely stupid and out of line as much as anything Beck said. Why would anyone talk about this subject as if it was a real historical event, given that there is no solid historical evidence proving any of the Christ story, much less whether the nasty Romans get credit for it. The existence of Christ is nicely inferred from the writings and subsequent verifiable history of Christianity. But that is the best any of us can do, as objective observors. IMHO

Unfortunately, this statement is incorrect, val. As much as it pains me to defend him, Keith is correct insofar as the Romans killed Christ, because only the Romans could inflict capital punishments. Glenn is also correct in that the Jewish religious leaders were morally responsible, as previous posters have stated. Keith and Glenn are correct to talk about this subject as a real historical event, because there is actual evidence from non-Biblical sources. A famous early Roman historian by the name of Tactitus wrote the”Annals of Imperial Rome”, and he mentions Jesus and his execution. The Romans loved to write everything down, and this was no exception. Another Roman, Pliny the Younger, also has some references, and there is a Jewish historian Josephus, who mentions Jesus along with his brother James. So there is ample historical evidence to indicate that a person named Jesus did exist at that time,and was killed(crucified) by the Jews/Romans, even without citing the Bible at all. What else you believe about Jesus is up to you. This in no way invalidates your earlier correct statements, btw.

Helix said:
Unfortunately, this statement is incorrect, val. As much as it pains me to defend him, Keith is correct insofar as the Romans killed Christ, because only the Romans could inflict capital punishments. Glenn is also correct in that the Jewish religious leaders were morally responsible, as previous posters have stated. Keith and Glenn are correct to talk about this subject as a real historical event, because there is actual evidence from non-Biblical sources. A famous early Roman historian by the name of Tactitus wrote the”Annals of Imperial Rome”, and he mentions Jesus and his execution. The Romans loved to write everything down, and this was no exception. Another Roman, Pliny the Younger, also has some references, and there is a Jewish historian Josephus, who mentions Jesus along with his brother James. So there is ample historical evidence to indicate that a person named Jesus did exist at that time,and was killed(crucified) by the Jews/Romans, even without citing the Bible at all. What else you believe about Jesus is up to you. This in no way invalidates your earlier correct statements, btw.

Well my pleasure to see you agree with KO, but neither of you have or could have any objective historical evidence to even place Jesus on the planet earth, let alone conclude that he was killed by Romans.

writer said:
Yes, but if you point out Farrakhan’s anti-semitism (and that of his buddy Rev. Wright), Keith considers that to be very politically incorrect.

That’s not true.

atreyue said:
I don’t have a problem with them both treating the death of Christ as a historical event. Given how much Christianity has influenced/informed history for the past 2000 years, in this context the story is so pervasive that whether it’s actually verifiable as history is more of a philosophical question as to the definition of history itself (although I certainly acknowledge your point). What makes KO more stupid and out of line than Beck is his deliberate misrepresentation of the facts, since they both already accept the premise. Too many people on both sides of the aisle use such underhanded techniques and pretend that validates their “points”. This more than anything else is what I think we need to refuse to allow, because it makes it impossible to have honest discourse. Of course, that’s why they do it…

I do agree that, in his rush to nail Beck, KO missed the boat this time.

valkyrie101 said:
Well my pleasure to see you agree with KO, but neither of you have or could have any objective historical evidence to even place Jesus on the planet earth, let alone conclude that he was killed by Romans.

If historians from when christianity was still a small cult don’t suffice, then there’s absolutely no way to provide objective historical evidence of Jesus or any other thing that is known accepted to have happened during that time period.

valkyrie101 said:
Well my pleasure to see you agree with KO, but neither of you have or could have any objective historical evidence to even place Jesus on the planet earth, let alone conclude that he was killed by Romans.

The evidence is from the roman and jewish historians mentioned in my previous post. They are as well established as anything from about 2000 years ago. Do you believe the Roman empire or Julius Caesar existed? If you don’t, I can’t help you. But the evidence of their existence is about as well established as that of Jesus. Tacitus is about as credible a witness as you are going to find for that time period, and he had no reason to lie about this. Romans were not exactly friendly to Jews or Christians back then. As I said, the Romans liked to keep a lot of written records, and we are fortunate that some of them survived this long. Pliny the Younger gives corrobating evidence as well, and he was not a fan of the Christians either. Proving anyone was real 2000 years ago is quite a challenge. Think about someone else who was alive at that time who you believe was real, and ask yourself what proof you have. For Jesus, we have 3 separate references from 3 different sources, who are hostile to him, and thus are likely to not be biased. Things like executions were important to the Romans, so they wrote them down. This is not a philosophical question.

atreyue said:
If historians from when christianity was still a small cult don’t suffice, then there’s absolutely no way to provide objective historical evidence of Jesus or any other thing that is known accepted to have happened during that time period.

Perhaps you are right.

Helix said:
The evidence is from the roman and jewish historians mentioned in my previous post. They are as well established as anything from about 2000 years ago. Do you believe the Roman empire or Julius Caesar existed? If you don’t, I can’t help you. But the evidence of their existence is about as well established as that of Jesus. Tacitus is about as credible a witness as you are going to find for that time period, and he had no reason to lie about this. Romans were not exactly friendly to Jews or Christians back then. As I said, the Romans liked to keep a lot of written records, and we are fortunate that some of them survived this long. Pliny the Younger gives corrobating evidence as well, and he was not a fan of the Christians either. Proving anyone was real 2000 years ago is quite a challenge. Think about someone else who was alive at that time who you believe was real, and ask yourself what proof you have. For Jesus, we have 3 separate references from 3 different sources, who are hostile to him, and thus are likely to not be biased. Things like executions were important to the Romans, so they wrote them down. This is not a philosophical question.

Be objective. Ultimately it is healthier.

if you are looking for a modern reference, wiki is the quickest one, look up Josephus (Jewish historian), Pliny the Younger, and Tacitus (Roman historian) (correct spelling of name). Pliny’s evidence is not on wiki, but a google search will find his letter.

Tacitus is by far the most interesting read of the three.

valkyrie101 said:
Be objective. Ultimately it is healthier.

I am objective. One does not have to be a Christian to believe that Jesus was a real person alive at that time period and was killed by the Jews/Romans. I am already assuming that the Bible is considered a biased source and is 100% false for purposes of this discussion. But what exactly would meet your standard of proof? A dead body? Bit of a problem with that one. The three references I have provided are about the best non-Christian sources for that time period. If you think Tacitus is a liar, then you might as well throw out all of Roman history while you’re at it. For Josephus, you can throw out all the Jewish history too. What would you consider objective sources for 2000 years ago, since neither one of us has a time machine?

GlennBeckReview said:
Ah, Mormons have priests. That explains Beck’s comment. Apparently Rev. Jerry Falwell Jr. is not a pastor. Beck has had him on his show. Ah yes, the many burnt cells of an alcoholics brain.

Actually, Mormons have bishops, which are similar to priests, like catholic priests. Well, Mormons do have priests, but they are at least 16 years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_(Latter_Day_Saints) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_(Mormonism)

I’m sure you never, ever, ever forget things. You especially never forget to watch Glenn Beck’s show or listen to him on the radio (or read Media Matters, ThinkProgress, etc., or whatever )

tiredofbs says: GlenBeckReview seems to be totally immersed in his subject.. very creepy
An obsession second only to his own self…”

By your “logic” every Phd student in the world who is “totally immersed in their subject is “very creepy and obsessed.”

If you’re so supposedly tired of b.s., why do you make such frankly stupid accusations about someone who is focused. Oh, right, because I have my foot up your hero’s rectum; so you have to attack the messenger and ignore my message. This of course is typical, sleazy right wing tactics.

To your other baseless point; when ever have you seem me address me? I was asked on Mediaite when I’ve changed my mind about something in response to my pointing out the article “How facts backfire” (Google it) yesterday, but unless answering a direct question my comments are about the political world, not about me. So, tired of the B.S, are you tired of your own bulldung?

ARE YOU TIRED OF YOUR OWN BULL DUNG?

Calvin says: “Actually, Mormons have bishops, which are similar to priests, like catholic priests. Well, Mormons do have priests, but they are at least 16 years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_(Latter_Day_Saints) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_(Mormonism)

I’m sure you never, ever, ever forget things. You especially never forget to watch Glenn Beck’s show or listen to him on the radio”

You used wikipedia as a reference, I went to the LDS website for info. Hmmmmm, which one might be more representative of the LDS world?

Beck may have “forgotten” that he’s had Rev. Falwell on his show or that Rev. Falwell had him speak this spring at the commencement of Liberty University or that Rev. Falwell offered Beck a honorary doctorate in the humanities. If he did, then really, shouldn’t Rev. Falwell take that unearned degree back?

I don’t listen to talk radio, ever. Beck dishes out enough nonsense, lies and dumb ideas during his Fox show to keep me plenty busy.

It all depends on who defines what is “correct” in whose interest. So far, it has been the (global) elite in their own interest.

GlennBeckReview said:
Beck doesn’t know any pastors?!? I doubt that’s true. Maybe it is. Maybe he never goes to church. Oh God, wouldn’t that be a hoot! A man who God speaks to doesn’t go to church.

You’d think a guy with an obsession like yours would have some grasp of the basic facts regarding said obsession. But sadly, no.

GBR, you’ve never answered how Beck was lying when he showed a video of Van Jones speaking his own words. When Beck said that Jones was a communist and that Jones stated that whites were purposely polluting black communities, then showed a video of Jones himself saying those very things, then how do arrive at your conclusion that Beck is always lying? You’ve yet to explain that.

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writer says: “GBR, you’ve never answered how Beck was lying when he showed a video of Van Jones speaking his own words.”

What a coincidence: I just posted a summary of Beck’s false claims this week on The Glenn Beck Review. One of them addresses this exact matter. See point 9 in “The week in summary…” http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com

Beck was lying because people change their views. Beck doesn’t care about reality; Beck paints a narrative that is in its core rotten, like Beck’s soul.

Here is Obama’s “uncle” talking about the JEWS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfDeRY7IgcQ

This is Wright, Obama’s pastor for 20 years, talking about the Jewish people.

Hey Tommy, your man Obama went to a church that HATES JEWS for TWENTY YEARS. The man that Obama named his book “Audacity of Hope” after one of his sermons. Liberals are hypocrites and support racists and anti-Semities

GlennBeckReview said:
Beck was lying because people change their views.

When has Jones ever renounced communism? What evidence do you have that he has changed his views? This doesn’t contain any.

Jones himself: “I’m willing to forego the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends.”

That doesn’t mean he’s changed his philosophy, it means he’s matured in his tactics.

So GBR, all Van Jones has to do is claim he’s changed and you automatically believe it. But you automatically disbelieve anything Beck says. Why the automatic trust for anyone on the left? It’s almost as if you have a left wing agenda.

Latin2 said:
Here is Obama’s “uncle” talking about the JEWS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfDeRY7IgcQ

This is Wright, Obama’s pastor for 20 years, talking about the Jewish people.

Hey Tommy, your man Obama went to a church that HATES JEWS for TWENTY YEARS. The man that Obama named his book “Audacity of Hope” after one of his sermons. Liberals are hypocrites and support racists and anti-Semities

Hey retard, that quote was from LAST YEAR! After Obama left the church and became President.

It all depends on whether one chooses to believe the writings of the New Testament.

They found the Ark of the Covenant where Moses placed the 10 Commandments, in a cave under Golgotha.

http://arkofthecovenant2.blogspot.com/