What Romney meant to say was, “We don’t know what is causing my own drool to keep shorting out the microphone…”  Idiot.

No such thing as global warming, revolution is a myth, homosexuality is an abomination. Republicans! Making Americans stupid for decades now.

and this is why conservatives hate MItt-he didn’t come out screaming like Rush Limbaugh about what a tool AL Gore is.

 Romney believes there is such a thing as Global Warming-he just wants to address it in a different way.

So sorry Ditto heads!

Enjoy your POTUS nominee!

LOL

James says:

While 97% of climate scientists agree that human activity is causing climate change

But actually:

Over 30,000 scientists signed a petition urging the United States to reject the Kyoto agreement, stating:

There
is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon
dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will, in the
foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere
and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial
scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce
many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments
of the Earth.

http://www.petitionproject.org/

Romney employs the royal “we”.

‘We don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet … because I’m more interested in currying favor with a wing nut base than I am actually listening to the thousands of climate experts around the world who’ve spent careers studying this and concluded that it’s man made.”

Thanks, Mitt, for letting us know how you would make decisions in a Romney administration.

Fact: Climate change on Earth is running as identical to climate change on Mars It has to be human caused event! Behead the cows!!!!

But we do know. The primary source of toxic methane emissions is hot air from Al Gore and the tree-hugging goofy greenies.

The war machine?

 See how michelle shows how Romney just lost the wingnut vote?

PRICELESS

What is it about MA politicians that always has them spewing this “I was for it before I was against it.” nonsense?

Thoughtful, pertinent, relevant, informative post as usual, Michelle. You are #1 on this board.

mitt, we actually do know

DRINK DITTO HEADS!

Predictable move for Willard as others in the field called dibs on
birther, anti gay and creationism. The good thing is Mitt will change his mind
on the issue if he makes it to the next round.

Fact: Libs urinate on cop cars. Libs can’t get a job and support themselves. Libs is another term for kleptomaniac. Showing the world that time out was a epic failure and we should have been busting some butt for a decades now!!!!

From that site:

“The current list of
petition signers includes
9,029 PhD;
7,157 MS;
2,586 MD and DVM; and
12,715 BS or equivalent academic degrees.
Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in
basic science.”

Having a BS or even a Ph.D in the sciences does not make someone a scientist. If you have your bachelor’s in Mathematics or Engineering or Computer Science, you have a BS. If you have a Ph. D in Medicine, you can sign that petition. This does not make you a scientist. Having a BS in Biology does not mean that your opinion about climate change is in any way relevant.

Saying that human activities may contribute or that we should reduce pollution/greenhouse gas emissions and saying there is no definitive answer to the cause of global warming it is not a contradiction.  And your link to “what the climatologists say” is misleading – its 97% of climatologists that study global warming and about 88% of climatologists in general who agree that human activities are “a significant contributing factor” – not the CAUSE.

there have been 18 temperature rises over the last 1,000,000 of 6 degrees or more.  Resulting from solar cycles, volcanic activity etc.  Was man there?  While it cant be disputed there are significant changes currently blaming man’s carbon is narrow minded considering 1 great volcanic event would deposit multiples of man’s TOTAL industrial ouput since the 1800s of carbon.  To say for certain it is man is……political at this point.   Sun’s solar activity and ouput has been “odd” for about 15 years and is cause for great concern.   Now have at it…. loser libs, H.S. punks and the low IQ.

Fact: Romney did it all without the help of a teleprompter!!!

Climate scientists only say this because otherwise they wouldn’t get published. It’s a sad era for science, that’s all I can say.

What qualifies Gore as an expert?

97%    WRONG.   The sciences are not only loaded with lib researchers and professors they get their grants from the US gov and money is only allocated again and again “wheres theres a problem”.  Point you get money when you scream “FIRE”.

The story is about Romney not the acting president

1,000,000 years…was on phone..  I actually WORK will doing this.. My own Biz.  C O N T R I B U T E yto society (you libs)

Michelle is BUSTED!!!

Even more so, thinking that governments can change the climate is the height of idiotic hubris.

Fact: Good post!!!!

I never said he was, and I don’t think he is.

Do you really think that all the shit humans put into the atmosphere,oceans,etc. that it will have zero effect? Dumping chemicals, burning oil,etc. Arent you suspect that the major people funding climate change opposition are the oil companies?
You are correct that there have been rises and falls over the past millions of years. However, the rise has been dramatic and continued this past century-coinciding with the burning of fossil fuels.
I think we would be far smarter to use our intellect and move forward in alternate fuel sources.
Whats the downside- new technology that is more efficient and pollutes less?

Um, not hardly, but nice try.  You libs don’t get to decide which liberal hack we have to listen too.  Of course they are saying it’s real, they WANT MONEY FOR GRANTS!!  IT’S ALL ABOUT MONEY!  If they stop telling the lie, the money stops coming in.  You libs are just mad that fewer and fewer people are buying into it.  You’re losing that war too.

WOW..So he thought of flip flopping all on his own…
FACT: You are still an idiot

39 “claim” to be climatologists!

FACT: I will compare W-2 with you all day and I am a moderate..Does that count?
FACT: You are still a moron

Candidates only say this because otherwise their party wouldn’t vote for them. It’s a sad day for politics (and America), that’s all I can say.

Go ahead Republicans!! Nominate Romney. If you think Americans will vote an unlikable, unprincipled vulture capitalist over Obama then that’s a fight any Democrat will be happy to make.

I gotta say, I really really  hated all the “Flip-flopper” stuff when Kerry was running against Bush back in 2004. I thought it was a ridiculous label. But, Romney is the real deal!  Man, is there ANYTHING this guy won’t say in a desperate plea to get the people in the room to like him (even a little)?  I seriously think Romney has some deep deep self-esteem issues. He now say what he thinks people want to hear so often, that I wonder if he has a actual position on anything ever.  Impressive and sad.

It’s called Kerryitis disease.

I think I’ll wait 24 hours to hear Romney’s next position on this. lol

“Revolution is a myth?”    Now that’s funny.

Climate change won’t even show up in the top 10 reasons to vote for or against a candidate.

“I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that. I don’t know how much our contribution is to that, because I know that there have been periods of greater heat and warmth in the past but I believe we contribute to that. And so I think it’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you’re seeing,” - Mitt Romney, June 3, 2011.

I really hope they nominate him. The man that has become a flopping wind sock to consistency.

It looks likely, because all the other candidates are reducing themselves to rubble. Every time they speak ineffectually on any issue or position. 

…Keep it up.

Do you know how much money could be made by DISPROVING climate change? There’s more money in changing scientific attitudes than in reaffirming them. If someone really wanted to make money, and if climate change is just a complete lie, then they could cash in by telling the truth. There are tons of people (including the Koch brothers, who already tried to) who would pay huge amounts of money for evidence against climate change. This “it’s about the money” canard is bizarre and displays the ignorance of those who profess it.

Dear delusional members of the Cult of GloBULL Warming—-Your  Hoax has been exposed and the TRUTH is now available to all….

Nature Journal of Science, ranked as the world’s most cited scientific periodical, has published (Sep. 2011) the definitive study on Global Warming that proves the dominant controller of temperatures in the Earth’s atmosphere is due to galactic cosmic rays and the sun, rather than by man. The research was conducted by CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research. One of the report’s authors, Professor Jyrki Kauppinen, summed up his conclusions regarding the potential for man-made Global Warming: “I think it is such a blatant falsification.”

But don’t despair – you still have the OccupyAnimalHouse (bowel) movement to waste your time on. “Eat the Rich!”

Explain why.

Hey GOPers. Romney thinks you are a bunch of idiots who will buy any ridiculous pandering and position shifting he can think of.

Little wonder that Mitt would flip-flop on this, too. He saw that Perry was making traction with the birther vote, Cain was cleaning up with the smokers, Bachmann the “pray the gay away” crowd and he needed to grab his share of the lunatic pie. 

What’s causing global warming:  The Sun.  

Are there other factors…yep.  I don’t think anyone argues that we all could be a bit better on our “carbon footprint” but gravity works.  We spin around the sun.  Eventually, the planet will burn up and die.

What’s next?  Romney the Birther?   Jeez….this man really will say anything to get elected.   Here you have a perfectly educated man pandering to the flat-earth wing of the GOP.

meanwhile, general assemblies tonight in SF and Oakland

plus, halloween critical mass and party tonight!!!!!! (the best critical mass of the year) and a GENERAL STRIKE next wednesday!tomorrow night, 8pm march against the police state in oakland…..wear black, people

What an obvious pander to the low-information anti-knowledge tea party crowd.

Good post.

I’m a “lib” and MY business contributes to society as well. One thing that is really pathetic about the rightists is the way your main arguments are accusatory and stereotypical, for example, that anybody who disagrees with you is automatically a “libtard”, a communist, a socialist, all hell-bent on stealing your precious tax money to force you out of your automobile and onto the BUS my God the BUS oh no not the BUS where you will have to sit next to… you know… people who look kind of like Barack Obama.

“ A majority of Americans think President Obama’s economic policies would have positive results if they were implemented, according to a new Fox News poll released Thursday. 52 percent of respondents said Obama’s “ideas are good, but he hasn’t been able to get them implemented,””

“Despite conservatives’ claims that the rhetoric used by President Obama and the 99 Percent Movement is hurting the economy, the stock market is on track to have one of its best months in history. The Dow had added about 1,200 points this month by the closing bell yesterday, which would be the biggest point gain in the index’s history. The S&P 500 also had its biggest point gain in history this month. Measured by percentage, both indices are on track for their best month since 1987.”

EVIDENCE????? You got none, right? Who paid you?

So 97% of climate scientists are “liberal hacks”? Thanks for clearing that up. Glad to know that you polled them all, knew their political leanings and dismissed them as “hacks.” 

Where’s your science degree, genius? 

I also do believe that we can’t continue to use our planet as a dumping ground but we are going to.  I hate to say it but it just will get worse.  

I’ve climbed/backpacked for over 30 years.  What America is like now on regulations for the normal consumer has changed drastically.  I’ve seen stuff that younger people will never know existed…because it has been dammed up and flooded.  You can’t put a quick fix on it.

The planet will have a limited life span…should be a few millennium still.  Everyone should be aware but we should also take a deep breath and be practical.

What amazes me is how shameless Romney is about the flip-flopping. The guy has no soul.

hmm. in a sense you are right. But, eventually YOU will die too, yet I bet that if you’re in the middle of the road, and you see a truck screaming towards you, you don’t stand there and say “well gee I’m gonna die anyway, might as well be now”. Right? Your selfish genes tell you to get the hell out of there. My selfish genes are more long-term than yours. I’m willing to sacrifice some precious wealth now to ensure the survival of future generations even if eventually the entire Universe is doomed. It’s the sacrifice of past generations that gave you all the stuff YOU use, like the highway system, the rail system, the air system, courts, schools, scientific research, your computer….

I’m sure that the experts at the National science academy will be fascinated to know that you and your idiot buddies down at the Brew Pub have another opinion.

Don’t forget your, “All my heroes are cop killers sign”, so you fit in. 

Oh and ps,
Alleged Flyer at Occupy Phoenix Ponders: ‘When Should You Shoot A Cop?’

What say you, Darla?

Because each country has their own needs and will promote those needs.

So not you like Wall Street? 

FLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPP

FFFFLLLLOOOOOOPPPPPPPP

I’m a lib and I have a job (actually, my own small business). I don’t urinate on cop cars. My liberal friends don’t either. I support myself. Since I live in California, and to engage in stereotypes I’m guessing you live in a small red state, I’m in fact supporting YOU as well, since California sends more money to Feds than we get back, and small “welfare-hating” red states get more from Fed than they send in. And I bet you just love your taxpayer-built roads, taxpayer-built airports, taxpayer-built the rest of social infrastructure (except for the freight railway system, which is the only one privately built). So who is the welfare recipient NOW? Me thinks you’re the pot calling the kettle black. So take your stupid foxnews stereotypes and go home.

That is actually the most telling poll I’ve seen in a long time. It shows that he’s still connecting with voters and gives me even more assurance that he’ll dispatch whichever moron the GOP chooses to nominate. 

Question for you baggers.. Ole Mittens has flip flopped seemingly every week correct?  Now ask yourself why haven’t the establishment GOP a la Rove, foxnews and their ilk come out and crush him like they do Cain, Bachmann, and Perry?  He’s reversed policy on so many issues.. Hell he just majorly flip flopped on Gov. Kasich’s proposal in Ohio and now this in back to back days alone and yet the establishment GOP is silent..  Are these not gaffes as well??   HA!!!!… You baggers have been hoodwinked again and it’s hilarious to watch.. 

So polls matter today?

(misses point)

republicans have been arguing that obama is destroying the economy
or “sowing the seeds of unrest”…..

and yet wall street is kicking ass like never before

this is also very interesting:

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/27/the_victory_ows_has_already_won/

More proof that Americans can be short-sighted jerks.

ha ha, you’re soooo funny michelle

never forget:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFNDK8PQGNw

What about the one that just came out that shows support for Obamacare is down to 32%, with only 52% of DEMS approving?  Thoughts, since polls matter today?

How does Romney want to address global warming? Pray it away? He basically says we shouldn’t do anything unless the rest of the world does something, but he doesn’t know what that something should be. He says science “doesn’t know”. What does he, or you, know of science? Can you name one single line of Maxwell’s Equations? Can he? Do either of you have ANY qualifications on ANY scientific topic? If not, why do you think you are qualified to yammer about a subject neither of you know anything about? If you actually have some IDEAS about it, as opposed to simply denying it because it suits your selfish economic interests to do so, I’m all ears. I’m guessing my ears will be treated to either a dead silence, or a whole lot of namecalling, the typical resort of the rightists.

You are right, it is selfish but it is a long ranging thought process.  I’m still thinking centuries ahead; which I’m thrilled that we are aware of the effect of our actions on future generations.

But it is a finite world and we do have finite resources.

And that’s too bad, since it’s one of the defining issues of our generation, as compared to totally unimportant things, like tax cuts for the rich, gay marriage opposition (disclosure: I’m gay), keeping marijuana out of patients’ hands, and the other similar symbolic issues with which Republicans are obsessed. And for good reason, since their complaints and programs to address said whines are so hollow and unimportant (and for the most part, I would apply that to Democrats too)

Fact: EU forced Greece to make major spending cuts and market responds. Just think how high the market will go if we take away Obama’s credit card and have major spending cuts on entitlements!!!!

you mean the health care plan that liberals hate because it doesn’t include
a public option and affordable drugs? that one?

Fact: So it’s not Bushes economy?

What about  Obama leading every GOP candidate in every poll for President next year..  What about the fact that Ohio Gov Kasich and  Florida Gov scott , both Republicans, have the lowest approval ratings in the country…  I shouldn’t have to tell you how important those two states are… My moneys on the Champ next November Michelle..

Mars has a climate?

Fact: Huh?

There is about a million times as much money in working for the oil/auto/air industry and denying global warming than there is working for a university for squat pay and claiming that it’s real. You obviously have no idea about the conditions scientists actually work in. yes they have to get grants. If you want a really BIG grant, you don’t go claiming that Earth is warming up and go to the EPA or a liberal (i.e., poorly funded) think tank for grants. Instead, you deny it, you go to Exxon or General Motors or General Electric or General Dynamics or anyone else in the automobile sprawl industry. They’ll give you MUCH more money, and then you can go sign that petition. And by the way, this happened all before. The tobacco companies had phony scientists and research programs to “prove” that cigarettes were actually GOOD for you. All global warming is is the entire planet smoking cigarettes.

Dude, technically, I’m a scientist according to your definition.  But my field of study has no bearing on anything whatsoever with atmospheric conditions, geodesic conditions or how to extrapolate data from singular studies that follow isolated paths along those lines.

I do know how to read data however.

That’s always the students argument…I specialized in hard “sciences” you did theory.

Professionally, can you put your work into practice…that’s the true sign of effective skill.

speaking of climate change:

“Bangkok at risk of sinking into the sea
Parts of Thailand’s capital could be underwater by 2030 unless the government takes steps to prevent disaster, say expertsAmong the pressing challenges facing the new government of Thailand, brought to power by the July elections, is the fact that Bangkok is steadily sinking. The gloomiest forecasts suggest parts of the Thai capital may be underwater by 2030, but experts are also critical of the lack of any clear policy to prevent impending disaster.Several factors – climate change, rising sea levels, coastal erosion, shifting clay soil – are threatening the great city on the Chao Phraya delta, founded in 1782 by the first monarch belonging to the Chakri dynasty, which is still ruling today.The population has greatly increased, with about 10 million people now living in the city and its suburbs. Even the weight of the skyscrapers, constantly on the rise in a conurbation in the throes of perpetual change, is contributing to Bangkok’s gradual immersion. Much of the metropolis is now below sea level and the ground is subsiding by 1.5 to 5cm a year.In the medium to long term more than 1m buildings, 90% of which are residential, are under threat from the rising sea level. In due course the ground floors of buildings could be awash with 10cm of water for part of the year, according to the Asian Institute of Technology.In the port of Samunt Prakan, about 15 km downstream from the capital, the residents of detached houses along the river already spend several months a year up to their ankles in water.”

Yes, one dope (on the issue of the existence of the Higgs boson) claimed that the scientists made up the whole thing to get grants. My answer: and what did they do with those grants? They built a machine to disprove their theories? Get real! (I agree with you Michael). It’s basically a Hollywood type plot, which unfortunately, lacking any real national myth structure, is how most Americans approach reality. It’s like the widely-believed idea 40 years ago that “we didn’t really land on the Moon”, that hundreds of thousands of scientists and engineers just fabricated the whole thing. And yeah there was an absurd (but fun) movie about that too (“Capricorn One” I think it was called). EVERYBODY in the space program was in on it EXCEPT the astronauts! And this is how many Americans think. It’s all conspiracies no matter how ludicrous on the face of it. Like the idea that Barack Obama could somehow hide his birthplace from the CIA (notorious liberals, eh?). How laughable, if not so sad.

Well, they did elect Obama.

yeah just think of how awesome america will be with millions more seniors clogging
emergency rooms in their twilight years…….at the expense of taxpayers, falling deeper
into poverty.  yeah, that’ll help the economy!

I don’t put much stock in election polls taken a year before the event. But this poll is about attitudes right now which could affect the course of the debate on budget matters for the year ahead.

OK, then I suggest you stop using the things made from hated liberal scientists. Give up your computer, modern medicine and dentistry (no anesthesia for you!), modern food, modern transportation. IN particular your computer, so we don’t have to listen to any more ridiculous rants from you.

By the way, from 1 (very) small business owner to another, congratulations and good luck.  Good to hear you don’t pee on cop cars!  ;)

instead of the old white guy and his bimbo VP

this person has to be using sarcasm

Unfortunately, Chris, in science there are no “definitive answers”. If we wait for 100% proof we will NEVER have it. There will always be somebody whose ox is going to get gored by any program to do ANYTHING about ANYTHING. And they will always cast doubt. That is exactly what those who profit from doing nothing about it want. it’s just like the evolution deniers: as long as there is one “missing link”, they can doubt it, so until you have every single organism that ever lived on the planet in a genealogical tree, they can point and say “see! missing link! Must be God in there somewhere!” Same deal, except here the stakes are far higher than some bozos who doubt good science. Here the doubters are no bozos… they know exactly what they are doing, which is protecting their economic interests.

Mitt Romney, in 2012, plays…. the Unfrozen Caveman Presideantial Candidate

“Climate warming? Who knows what causes that?  As a recently thawed out Caveman however, I am frightened over the thought of someone spending my tax money on something we have no idea on how it even got started.”

Remember that during the primary process every Republican must show himself to be to the right of all the other candidates or risk being labeled as “too liberal”. In other words, they’re appealing to their base, of which the most radical is always the most energized and most hard to please. Once any one candidate wins the nomination, suddenly many of the radical positions taken by that candidate will be non-starters in the general election in which the candidate must appeal to the center. The candidate will then deny many of his own primary-season positions, claim he NEVER said that, oh no, and a few staffers’ heads will roll to prove it.

And last week Romney AND Cain were beating him.   It changes every week. 

My moneys on the Champ next November Michelle..

So you’ve finally wised up and are voting Republican?  Good for you!!!

them damn police union thugs

yeah the one the democrats passed

I think you might be misreading his post. He actually is taunting the Republican dittoheads with the fact that they’re stuck with a candidate who not-so-secretly believes that climate change is man-made, despite today’s rhetorical backflip. 

Loaded question… im sure that “we” contribute, but to what extent?  We might only contribute .0000000031 % but that still is contribution. So do you impose trillions in regulations on such a tiny amount of contribution.  THis is like saying if you poor a cup of battery acid in the  ocean are you contributing to a dirty ocean…. yes you are but to what extent.

You are wrong. You are talking about the tragedy of the commons. But there is a way out, which every society has taken. We give up some freedom to do what we want, in exchange for some freedom from other people’s doing things that harm us. For example, I can’t just go shooting anybody, and in return, I’m (relatively) free from the reciprocal fear. That is the basis of governments. But it is also the basis of international agreements, of which there have been many. And there will be many more, in which nations sacrifice their immediate best interest in return for advantages to come. The treaty on ozone was an example, or treaties limiting fishing so there remain fish for all. Is this system perfect? No of course not. It’s human after all! I suspect in times to come even China will be pulled into agreements over pollution and such. Other nations simply won’t tolerate each nation just polluting up to its economic best advantage.

WHY ISN’T FOX REPORTING ON THE KOCH-BOUGHT CLIMATOLOGIST WHO WAS BIRED TO DISPROVE GLOBAL WARMING BUT IN FACT FOUND IT TO BE TRUE?!?!

You’d think they’d be quick to correct a story they so heavily hyped for months.

Romney’s got the science of it just right, that’s exactly the right answer for the 2012 election.

Now, scientists should stop being activists and continue being scientists.  Given the history in the last two hundred years of a cycle of rising and lowering temperatures, anyone who believes that global warming is indeed proven to be man-made would also say that Iraq has WMD. Just because a lot of experts believe something doesn’t make it true.

As to the science, all the global warming  believers had better be vegetarians as well.  The flatulence from cows and other animals bred to feed our growing human population is a large contibutor to green house gases.      

BINGO

TOTALLY HILARIOUS

Joe is that you locked up in there?

his views are consistent with voters, so I suspect he’ll be fine… 

Libs: “omg teh smoking is evil”

thirty-fifty years laterLibs: “omg how cumz every1 is living to 90, how did that happenz!?!?!?”

i’ve changed my mind.

i see your point .

thanks.

Also I like how in 2009/10 the death panel thing was called “lie of the year” by mEdia Matters or some such indistinguishably similar organisation, and yet here we are in 2011 with a liberal openly calling for Obama to have a genocide of old people in sports stadiums with a half time show featuring Lady Gaga and hot dogs served.

Michelle. Please. Stop. You’re embarrassing yourself with this incessant repetition of election polls of an event that won’t take place for TWELVE LONG MONTHS. These are not only worthless, but if I was you, I wouldn’t take a lot of encouragement from them. Right now Obama’s popularity is at a low point and the economy is still struggling. And yet none of the GOP candidates seems able to blow him out of the water when he’s at his weakest — and hasn’t really unleashed the hounds. You say that Cain and Romney were beating him, but that’s only one or two polls out of many — and not even by enough points to exceed the margin of error, which makes it a statistical tie. 

Really, your desperation is starting to show through.

After 8 years of Bush they needed a break from being jerks. 

Low IQ Conservatives/Republicans/Tea Baggers do not believe in science.

Rick Perry would rather pray than deal with the massive fires that ravaged Texas. He prayed with morons like this preacher, Mike Bickle,  who says “Hitler was sent by God to drive the Jews to Israel” http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EpRV0spflIE#!

Yup. It’s quite different from our own, but is a climate. There are even seasons on Mars. However, there’s not enough evidence to support the claim that climate change between Earth and Mars are identical. Even if in recent years the two climates have both gotten warmer at similar rates, correlation does not imply causation. One of the most common logical fallacies.

Fact: Govpuppets know so much that isn;t so!!!!

Your facts just as useful as a football bat.

nice to care you’re deeply concerned about handcuffed, headlocked citizens getting
shot in the back…

This is for “Fedup in Florida”.  

Florida is gorgeous; I’m just starting to learn it.  I always thought I would end up in a mountain state but I have grown to love this f*cked up weird nature preserve that is uniquely American.

Been down here for 9 years now; it is different.

not all of them, cjd

Fact: Fox reports both sides of the facts but anyone
that see’s them know only idiots believe in global warming is man made so buy
liberal products that they want you to buy to fix it. Modern day demarodent elixir!!!

and no proof of man-made climate change

Fact: So most in California live on top of moving
tectonic plates!!! That’s man made climate change too!!!

Fact: How did we as humans get to this point without all those entitlements!!! Intelligent design?

Fact: Yes!!! Public education defect?

There’s nothing like a delicious flip-flop on a Friday.  It’s a great way to start any weekend.  Mitt-Flop Romney in 2012!

I just googled “Nature Journal of Science.” It doesn’t exist. The science journal “Nature” exists, but there is no “Nature Journal of Science.” What does “Nature”, and real, not imaginary, and actually well-respected journal say about global warming? It’s real: http://www.nature.com/news/2011/111020/full/news.2011.607.html

You’ve been deceived. Unless your “world’s most cited scientific periodical” doesn’t have a website so it can’t be found.

That’s an interesting question.  

What determines a climate?  If the sun shines on barren terrain or doesn’t aren’t we just talking about the rotation of the planet?

ExGOP,  I wasn’t the one who brought up the polls, so your apology is accepted. 

Fact: Nobel Prize winners Obama for peace and Gore for Science make up the educated side of Liberal tribe!!!

Agreed.  Mitt-Flop Romney in 2012??…Please no.  

Null hypothesis theory only works in an academic setting with data.

At some point the data is accepted and then is put into a practical application…otherwise it is just theory.

hey i am just trying to protect union jobs

I can always tell you what won’t work….we should look at what can and does work. (engineer)

with republicans, and conservative thinkers of all stripes, it’s just a blatantly transparent race
to the bottom.  they are pandering to the most vicious and anti-intellectual segments of society,
while benefitting handsomely from the very polluters who are killing us.  we already know that
lower taxes and more corporate giveaways don’t help the middle class, and yet they constantly
bemoan the big bad government for attempting to reign in their greed.  we already know
that humans are causing the climate to change, and yet these f*cking idiots *still* prance 
around saying that “we’re not sure.”  

in short, and i’d never thought i’d say this:  the republicans are fascists.

“…would also say that Iraq has WMD. Just because a lot of experts believe something doesn’t make it true.”

Depends on whether you’re cherry-picking the data to drag the nation into a war.

smiles.

The overwhelming majority of climate experts believe that the contribution is significant enough to act on. So obviously it’s not .00000031%. But nice try.

Darladoon, did you survive that night?

The denigration of the science community by the right, is a slippery slope towards fascism and loss of America innovation. Image what restriction a company would have on itself in a free market, none. Look at what companies did in the past: cigarettes for example. Corporations are paying the right to say inflammatory things against university science; so they can privatize research, to eventually do work without any restrictions. China is a good example; most people in China live in dire situations. I do not see why people don’t think China=Free Market=Fascism.

Michelle, darling, as I’ve already pointed out to you, you’re quoting from election polls that won’t be relevant for 12 months from now. Darla was quoting from polls about attitudes regarding the budget debate, which is an issue that’s relevant RIGHT NOW.

Multiple Choice Mitt just four months ago:
“‘The World Is Getting Warmer… Humans Have Contributed’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/03/mitt-romney-climate-change_n_871205.html

Actually I’m pretty sure that long term smoking leads to emphysema and other structural breathing dis-orders that lead to pre-mature DEATH..

Link please…that’s an e-mail to my buddies!

Well no.  That’s just not correct.

Possibly, some of us are individuals.

WRONG, I was never in the GOP.  My first comment was about current approval for Obamacare.  I only brought out the election polling as a response to Ceeza, who said:

What about  Obama leading every GOP candidate in every poll for President next year..

Apology accepted.

Do you even know what a fascist is?  Let me help you:

a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.That describes the Obama regime WAY more than Republicans, but nice try!!

This is for Roderick Llewllyn:

 We give up some freedom to do what we want, in exchange for some freedom from other people’s doing things that harm us.

That will never work.  It’s a nice thought but it never works.  It’s been called appeasement in foreign policy.  I appreciate where you are coming from but life isn’t that easy…history teaches us that nations will always join together for their own interests first before they enter into any treaty.

You always negotiate from strength.

You can be an annoying dude but that was funny.

Fact: Statements like this from darla are directly due to union in control of public schools! Libs this is one of your wacko’s!!!!

Fact: post that’s < good!!!!!

Here we go again with the rightwing BS. Nobody in the rest of the world gives a sh*t abou what right wing nutjobs believe. They are laughing their as**es of about the ignorance and stupidity of them and acting upon the insights of the scientific community.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-26-2011/weathering-fights

It is astounding how much you don’t know! All you know is what you read on left wing web sights. What terminal illness are you dying from that is caused by the vast amounts of pollution? I feel fine and live in the same world as you.

Damn Michelle you are annoying.. You tried to refute a poll by giving another poll… I in return crushed your poll with another by saying it didn’t matter… Because up against your goofy nominees, “Obamacare” support means nothing because he’s still leading them all..  In the end we can agree that polls this early are silly.. Still you have to admit that Gov. Kasich and Gov. Scotts approval ratings being in the 30s(lowest in the country) is pause worthy for the Gop,  yes?
ps Michelle I’ve seen you lead threads with polls in the past.. Let’s see if you do in the future..

I think almost any cut in any policy will affect people my age 50 years old.  I truly doubt anyone will pull the plug without any warning on our seniors.

I’m helping take care of 2 mid 80 seniors and there are a wide variety of costs, both economical and personal, that certainly weigh in to a “cost of care” long term treatment.

So I have thought about that a lot when it becomes my time to die.

And I prefer, as a middle aged man, to plan ahead just in case something go wrong.  

I don’t think that SS will be there for me; I get my statements and I’ve almost maxed it out anyway.

I will try to be healthy not sick…hold my breath and choose my health care and invest it in an IRA.

That’s what happens anyway.

Also Michelle… You still haven’t addressed Willards flip flopping. Which IS what this story is about after all… Thoughts?  

Who funds the science community?  Where do these grants come from?

You do research for someone.

once again you have lib ears ,  didn’t so NO contribution.

“The World Health Organization estimates that 4.6 million people die each year from causes directly attributable to air pollution”

oh, heck.  it’s just nearly 5 million.  so what, right?

Lijke a good lib you avoid the topic when you are left with Zero to argue.

Most of my old college friends did engineering research with Purdue.  Their research was funded.  Almost all of those funds were provided by Dow Chemical and were polymer based.

It’s the minor leagues…those guys did intern work and got jobs and Purdue was a “shop”.

I think sometimes the mirror needs to be turned on academia rather than the funders.

All of which is to say they have the requisition amount of training to know bad, agenda driven science when they see it.

Lets leave manbearpig in the bad section of imaginationland where he belongs.  Anthropomorphic global warming is a fraud, perpetrated by proven fraudsters.

What are the insights of the scientific community?  

These folks would have a hard time working in a real world environment.

Can they apply their thoughts to a real problem and produce results?

That is what an engineer does.

The “lines of Maxwell’s Equations” have names?  Do tell, what might they be?

Predictable, meaningless response alert ^^^

The race card?!?! REALLY? I take the bus at times. I like spending less than the gas costs, I don’t mind having a reduced fuel consumption and while CO2 is about the only thing aside from H2O coming out the tail pipe that I actually consider a good thing, I don’t mind that the endless list of legitimate pollutions is reduced a bit. What I do mind, and why I avoid the bus particularly during summer, is getting to work smelling like a fine mix of beer, cigarets, pot, piss, and scat thanks to the hygiene habits of the free riders (of varied races). Not even in third world countries do the buses wreak the way they do here in the US. But to a libtard (not just because you disagree, but because you clearly are), I clearly only care about the skin color of a few of the a-holes that can’t be bothered to bathe more than once a month, or at least not bathe in their own piss.

That of course only applies IF you can even find a bus route. In all but the largest cities, bus routes pretty much go between the mall, the court house and the DMV. Unless that happens to coincide with your travel path, you as a commuter are out of luck.

Then comes the coup de gra for your nonsense: taking a bus still uses fossil fuel countless times faster than it is replenished. It is horse crap for a “solution” and you are a fool for thinking that taxing people out of their cars is a solution or anything other than a gimmick to expand government.

How many in the U S? That’s the only part you idiots are trying to regulate out of existance.

No, of course not. Only engineers can cause they have nothing to do with science.

Government grants – the lifeblood of scientific douches who have nothing better to do than push their misanthrope derived theories – aren’t given out to institutions to disprove anthropomorphic climate change, therefore we’ll never know how much money there is to be made.  But a clue is that those who have the knowledge base don’t go into the field because there’s little upside.  There’s no carbon credits in it for them.  Instead, they go into other fields like meteorology, complain the the government scientists are all nuts and sign petitions giving lie to your precious theory all of which you completely ignore.

You have a funny definition of bizarre

Oh.  And Koch brothers.  Drink!

Might work for a Republican primary…but not so much in a general election.  Especially since this is another example of a flip flop by him.   He’s said completely contradictory things in the past.

Regardless of what degree you may or may not have you are a scientist if you engage in research that uses the scientific method.  I hope that helps.  Nor does the number of signatures on a petition, either for or against, prove or disprove a scientific theory.  To prove or disprove a scientific theory you apply the scientific method.  Now, where has the scientific method been used to prove that man is the cause of global warming?

The computer was a thing made “from hated liberal scientists.”  Really, I’ve worked on quite a few types of computers from electromechanical to electronic and none of them were made from body parts.  What computers are you talking about?

“To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem” — Lamont Cole, Ecologist & Population “Expert”

Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs” –John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that
pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and
the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human
intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that
they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself” –Al
Gore, Club of Rome executive member

“Mankind is a cancer; we’re the biggest blight on the face of the
Earth.” –Ingrid Newkirk, President of PETA and environmental activist
 
“If
you haven’t given voluntary human extinction much thought before, the
idea of a world with no people in it may seem strange. But, if you give
it a chance, I think you might agree that the extinction of H0mo
Sapiens would mean survival for millions, if not billions, of
Earth-dwelling species…. Phasing out the human race will solve every
problem on earth, social and environmental” (Ibid)

“Among environmentalists sharing two or three beers, the notion is quite
common that if only some calamity could wipe out the entire human
race, other species might once again have a chance.” –Richard Conniff,
in the pages of Audubon magazine (September, 1990)

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized
civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that
about?” –Maurice Strong, Earth Summit 91

“regulate out of existence”  =  ”allow to continue unfettered”

More idiotic than an old man with a long white beard in outer space that you pray to for the winning lotto numbers?

Jesus fights the natives in Arizona?

More idiotic than actually becoming a god when you die?

A man rose from the dead, but there is no evidence of AGW?

Too much, Pablo! ha ha!

Damn, you are so stupid.

There he goes again! Romney’s removing all doubt that he’s just like the other cookie-cut­ter-types running for the TEA party nomination­. But, Romney acknowledg­ed “climate change”! He may lose the nomination only to lose again! Pay attention to the better educated scientists who have investigat­ed, discussed and reviewed all the data world-wide­. Just because those running are regurgitat­ing their concept of “climate change”, does not make it so! The top three contenders for the TEA primary have made huge mistakes as they jockey for votes and attention. By taking this position on the “climate change” issue, Romney has lowered the standards of this grouping of nominees to an all-time low! To those who didn’t vote in 2010, here’s a great reason to jump start your reason to vote in 2012! If you are not happy with the way Washington is working, change the mix! If you are not happy with the way Washington is working, voice your opinion. If you are not happy with the way Washington is working, get involved, join the 99%, make your voices heard! If you are not happy with the direction Washington is going with the radical extreme fringe calling the shots, make your votes count! Vote!

I agree, Mitt knows he has to run in the general election, so he has to tip-toe around these issues.

Scientists help engineers in many ways, specifically in creating more durable materials to play with (as one example)

I do.  Nancy Pelosi washing her face each night and Harry Reid exhaling from both ends at the same time.

Philanthropy is a great business opportunity.

I am willing to bet that you would be more reluctant to sit next to Herman Cain, on a bus, than I would be sitting next to 0bama.

As long as the so-called “developing nations” can pollute to their hearts content, it is economical suicide for the developed nations to accommodate them.

And why are they “developing”? They are hundreds of years older than America. Why are they not at least AS “developed”?

Piles of libtard shit on Wall Street is causing destruction of the ozone layer.
Put your paid off global warming “scientists” on that “shit”

Yup.  Slip outta that underwear & stretch a bit.

mittymouse needs to get his large foot out of his mouth and then shut up. . .he just gets more ludicrous with every passing speech. . . cain the unable for gop candidate or bachmann, or perry. . pleez. . .

lib losers? I’d say anyone who refuses to acknowledge science is the real loser.  #obama2012

Oh, you WORK while being a jerk.  Bully for you — you have your own biz. Call when you go out of business and you need a job.  Your behavior is so not American. We take care of each other in this country — always have. So, you have, and everyone else can go without. Boy, you must love  Boner and Kock.

@PrezOworst – YOU are the one avoiding the topic – the science is incontrovertible. CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL!!! And it’s manmade.  So, show me the SCIENCE that says all those scientists from around the world are wrong. Typical GOP – ignore facts and make up your own crap.

What the f is that supposed to mean?  If you think Herman Cain cares about the little people — keep dreaming.  He’s been responsible for putting thousands of people out of work himself. 

What’s idiotic, is thinking that all the pollution and gas emissions would NOT change the climate.  Read a book, big boy.

Yes, that’s exactly what this idiots believe. They believe what they want to believe — and never let a few good facts stand in the way of their stories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis is my reply is anyone who relies on “Scientific Consensus”. The only proof in science is by experiment. Not computer models or theories or anything else. When Climate scientists can produce a model that accurately predicts global-climate over a 10 year span, I might believe them on their sky is falling hysteria over a naturally occuring trace gas.

Romney makes adjustments to his opinions based on the current available evidence.  The scientific evidence is constantly changing.  We have scientists who change their minds about man made global warming.  I have basically the same opinion as Romney’s.  While we may be adding to warming (obviously a 98.6degree F human is warmer than his surroundings so we have to be adding to warming to some extent, plus hot vehicles, factories, etc), we cannot make wholesale changes to our economy based on a theory.  We also cannot make these changes while the 2 biggest polluters, China and India, get away scot free.  I know everyone hates thinking through these issues but we have to do it.  The liberals consider it a religion so they don’t have to think about it anymore.  The rest of us are constantly updating our opinions on this matter.

That’s their problem.

Yeah, but don’t we know that “FOX LIES”?

Liberal credo: No more starving children. Let’s abort as many as we can!

Liberal credo: FDR and Clinton and 0bama are slimy, slippery slugs.

Liberal credo: Since we are such useless abomination, let’s all die to save the world.

Liberal credo: We, liberals will show that we mean by what we say by perfectly organized mass suicides.

Liberal credo: We will kill ourselves, because we love slugs and weeds better than our own unaborted children, who have no right to live.

Liberal credo: The end of industrialized civilizations will mean the success of slugs and weeds. That’s why we promote it. And that’s why we will survive.

Glad you caught that. Hey, I’m all for conservation, clean air, etc., but the greens (and libs in general) go so far overboard that it is simply misanthropic. Every thing they propose is that which causes the most human suffering and death.

any body i am a young debater from trinidadand tobago my topic is if climate change is a natural phenomenon or if man has allot to do with it. the judges put me on the side man has allot to do with it can i get help from the smarter people in this group what does man do specificly. please before thursday thank you