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Occupy San Diego Protester Asks For Moment Of Silence For White House Shooter

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The media’s embrace of the Occupy Wall Street movement has been cause for bitter frustration on the right, where the feeling is that the Occupiers are getting a fairer shake than the Tea Party did. Today, the conservative blogosphere is abuzz about a video of an Occupy San Diego protester asking for a moment of silence for the White House…and the guy who put a bullet into a White House window. It’s a strange moment, for sure, but hardly worth the comparisons some are making.

At the tail end of a rally at San Diego Police headquarters, a protester stepped up to the microphone (an actual microphone, not a human one) to ask for a moment of “silence and solidarity” for the White House, which was the victim of a shooting over the weekend, and the troubled alleged shooterOscar Ramiro Ortega.

It’s an odd moment, and one which reinforces liberal stereotypes about compassion and inclusion (what conservatives call “bleeding heart”), but conservatives are asking questions along the lines of Ace Of Spadesrhetorical overreach: “If anyone in the Tea Party expressed solidarity with Jared Loughner (and if a group of Tea Partiers than bowed their head in respectful silence for him), do you imagine the media would have been interested?”

If there was a way to go back and make it so that Loughner (the shooter in the tragic Tucson massacre earlier this year) only managed to ding a pane of bulletproof glass, I bet we would all take that deal. It’s a hideous comparison, variations of which are all over the conservative Twittersphere.

It’s silly, too, because their point, that this exact moment would have played very poorly against the Tea Party, is completely valid. Why undercut it by comparing Ortega to monsters like Loughner and Timothy McVeigh?

Tea Party or not, I would still feel bound to point out the best part of this clip, which is the bewildered look on the face of the woman who hands over the microphone. Her reaction is a bit of slow-burn comedy worthy of Jack Benny.

Here’s the clip, from Occupy San Diego:


Update: The protester in question, 27-year-old Tyler Kai LoRusso, says that he was “misunderstood”:

“Whoever shot at the White House is basically a terrorist,” LoRusso tells CityBeat, “and I was holding a moment of silence for the White House and President Obama and everyone in the White House. I wasn’t holding a moment of silence for the terrorist in any way. We’re a peaceful movement, and we don’t support people shooting at the White House.”

…we asked him what he was thinking last night as he asked for his chance to speak and he said:

“I was just thinking how terrible it is that our nation has someone who tried to shoot at our White House, our country’s main deal, and that’s what makes our country beautiful is that we have a White House that carries all the establishment that makes our country awesome.”

While there are some who have clearly misunderstood Tyler, accusing him of “celebrating political violence,” his explanation doesn’t gibe with what he actually said. Perhaps he has since thought better of urging empathy for the troubled alleged shooter (he even referenced the rumor that the shooter was an OWS protester himself), but in his original remarks, that’s what he did.

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  • Anonymous

    In San Diego they cheer for an idiot.  In Boston they cheer for a terrorist http://www.theblaze.com/stories/occupy-boston-holds-rally-for-accused-terrorist-charged-with-planning-violent-jihad-against-u-s/  It’s a wonder, who will the group the President stands in solidarity with cheer on next?  They certainly have the corner on bestiality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My_cNzQGS8E

    Onward, heathen freaks!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think any of the thoughtful people here are shocked by this display….

  • Kid Dynamite

    Tommy,

    You should compare this event to the comments at Mediaite which (to cite a recent example in a Gabby Giffords post) wish that Jared Loughner had gone to the White House and killed President Obama. Tell us, what is Mediaite’s obligation when such wingnuts step up to the Mediaite microphone and announce their Obama assassination fantasies? When do we see your post, “Mediaite Commenter Mourns The Fact That President Obama Was Not Murdered”?

    And before you pretend such statements don’t exist, see “I’m just sad that Jared Laughner got lost on his way to the White House.”

  • Sean68

    Just imagine the media reaction, Tommy, if there had been rapes at the tea party rallies.

  • Nick O’Teen

    It seems the young man did not have his facts straight in any way when he made his comment.  He might look into a class on public speaking since he clearly did not have his thoughts organized when he took the microphone.  The look on the other woman’s face is priceless and seems to express  confusion and bewilderment at the same time.  That had to be a very awkward moment of silence with many thinking…..uh, what did he say?

  • Anonymous

    was the moment of silence for the shooter?  or what?

  • Anonymous

    Wrong is wrong.  Just because the shooter was incompetent and the white house windows are bullet-proof does not lessen his attempt.  His goals were evil, and shouldn’t be minimized.  By Anyone.

  • Anonymous

    Tommy you and othesr ignore the fact that Jared Loughner was much more in line with the occupy wall street crowd…. He claimed he was a Anarchist which many of the OWS people say they are too. He would be side by side with the OWS crapping on the cop cars , raping 14 year old girls and selling drugs at these wonderful protests the leading democrats are behind!

    The liberials try so hard and try so much to compare the OWS to the tea party. You cant ! They pick the smallest detail and try to run with it and it fails everytime! I think liberials should get tattoes on their forhead that says “Fail” that says it all!

  • Sixtus66

    Tommy, the media IS giving the OWS movement a much fairer shake than the Tea Party. What you call a “strange moment” would have caused most in the media to question the validity of every member of the tea Party. A SMALL minority of Tea Party people show vie, bigoted signs and that’s all you see in the media; that becomes the representation of the the movement. Compared to OWS where the Washington Post glosses over the half dozen rapes, drug overdoses and other crimes occurring in the OWS encampments. They’re the “fringe” of the movement and not representative of it. 

    Huhh…Where was that “open mindedness” during the Tea party rallies? Oh, wait, I understand. women being raped, drug overdoses and other felonies on top of hundreds of arrests aren’t that important and could never hold a candle to a couple of lunatics holding vile signs. 

  • Anonymous

    Seeing as I’ve personally, from someone on this site, had a death threat issued against me, don’t hold your breath.

    Also, coming from someone that uses the R-word, don’t try begging for any sort of decency. Just saying.

  • Meadows

    I bet that guy was a conservative plant.  (Hey, the Tea Party always claimed those with racist signs at their rallies were liberal plants, so why not?)

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Glad to see this covered.  Yet another example of how the right manufactures outrageous narratives by ignoring and changing significant details.  The right wing bogs depend entirely on this academic gap.

  • Monks Mcgee

    What the heck is going on here?  Does this guy know what solidarity means? 

    Tommy:  I don’t know about totally dismissing the comparisons to other shootings.  Within reasonable parameters, I think it’s certainly food for thought.  Though no one was hurt, the potential for harm was present.  The McVeigh thing is a stretch, but he, like the OWS movement, was frustrated with the system.  I think the protester above (I don’t know if he was alone in his “solidarity” but it appears other joined in without hesitation) makes the inappropriate comparison that Ortega’s motives are aligned with the Occupy movement by asking for a moment of silence and solidarity in the first place.  But ultimately, this whole clip is so confusing, and I’ve because more baffled with the movement’s actions myself, that I am not a good judge.

  • Anonymous

    Tommy, what I get from reading your article is that you seem to think that Oscar Ortega is less of a monster than Jared Laughner just because he didn’t kill anyone since the bullet only hit a bulletproof window. Ortega’s friends say that he was hell-bent on assassinating the President because he believed that Obama was the Anti-Christ. His intentions were malice, and just because no one died doesn’t make his intent any less horrible.

     Having a moment of solidarity for an ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION does NOT showcase liberal ‘compassion and inclusiveness’ What it DOES showcase is a severe entitlement issue that many OWS protesters have.
    They blame the ‘system’ for Ortega’s derangement. They blame Wall Street for their own misfortunes. They don’t take ANY responsibility for the actions of their movement. And now you deflect and defend – you are quite the spin doctor, Tommy. 

  • Kid Dynamite

    I’m not begging for anything. If someone threatened you, you should notify the police.

  • Norbit

    “…ask for a moment of “silence and solidarity” for the White House, which was the victim of a shooting over the weekend, and the troubled alleged shooter, Oscar Ramiro Ortega.”

    You can all bet your worthless Obama Mortgages that he would have never said this if it was the Bush White House!

    These aren’t reasoned protestors, they’re political ideologues and anarchists, working in tacit collusion with the community organizer’s Administration.

    TODAY’S DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
    (Jackboots not included.)

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Bold speculative declarative cream on top… courtesy of Spambit.  

  • Anonymous

    The right manufactures outrageous narratives by ignoring and changing significant details? You must be joking. You do realize that the media blamed Sarah Palin for the Tuscon shooting instead of putting the blame on the actual assailant, right? 

  • Moderate

    The protesters baffled and really do not know what they want. They are a bunch of lost sheep looking for a leader and not finding it in Obama.

  • Anonymous

    I heard there were multiple rapes at the Tea Party rallies but they were covered up. When half of the Tea Party women are on motorized scooters and they only carry a 25 minute charge, many women reported their batteries being stolen. Stranded, unable to escape, they were at the mercy of the racuous, piss-covered, Tea Party crowd, who screamed anti-semetic slurs at various disabled people as they threw feces at their leader. Meanwhile, Herman Cain touched a retarded woman’s breast as he eat a piece of sausage and pepperoni pizza… which I might add is a status symbol as pizza has many ingrediants that must be procured from many different places.

  • Anonymous

    Are liberals going to call Oscar Ortega a racist for attempting to assassinate Obama? I mean, conservatives are called racist for simply opposing Obama’s policies … What does that make someone who attempts to KILL Obama? And Ortega was an Occupy DC protester, does this mean ALL occupy protesters are racist / assassins? The Tea Party got lumped into one big collective group based on the actions of a few … so, what say you, liberals? 

    I’m being sarcastic (for anyone who can’t read between the lines, I’ve had people unable to decipher sarcasm in my earlier posts). Simply pointing out the idiotic hypocrisy of the left. 

  • Anonymous

    No wonder these folks are confused…. Obama has managed to convince them he is on their side… has there ever been a so-called protest movement where the person overall in charge of what is being protested not only escapes blame but is seen as an ally?  

  • Anonymous

    There is no reason to compare a real-life event to stupid comments made on a message board. People will say anything when hidden behind a computer screen, but only the real crazies go out and act on their hate in real life. 

  • Anonymous

    Making a joke about a fake Tea Party event doesn’t offer condolence to the actual rape victim from Occupy Cleveland. How shallow of you. 

  • http://gawker.com/5482474/the-mysterious-case-of-toure-praising-raped-slaves-for-seducing-massa Touré’s insane mf cousin Phd
  • Anonymous

    Joking aside there was physical, mental, and some rumored sexual abuse at some of the rallies, also reports of taking shits outside on the ground when the bathrooms were full. 

    It’s clear the mental abuse of the Tea Party endures to this day as most members still seem to have lasting brain damage.

  • Jason_in_Vegas

    Maybe they’re sad that Loughner didn’t get to visit with the President. Don’t you think everyone should get to spend a minute or two with the greatest human being ever to live?

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Some on the left did speculate and were wrong, which in no way disproves my point about the right.

  • TSK

    “I created much of the intellectual foundation for what they do,”
    -Lez Warren

  • Jason_in_Vegas

    1) As a rule, Conservatives don’t poop in public. They have shame, unlike yourself.

    2)Shouldn’t a bunch of braindead Al Gore worshippers, who think the sun’s going to catch earth on fire at any moment, know better than to defecate in the face of Mother Earth?

    3)Your attempts to spin have failed miserably. Change out of your pajamas, turn off MSDNC and head outside. The fresh air might do you some good.

  • Moderate

    He has definitely lost the rich Jew support.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Maybe you should research Lyndon LaRouche’s connections with those signs, a radical socialist democrat, who despises Obama.  Here’s an clip of them getting busted at a Tea Party rally, but if you do the research you will find that they have done this repeatedly across the nation. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED11xr2yArM

  • Jason_in_Vegas

    The moment of silence should have been for their own stupid movement. It effectively died when one of their fellow moonbats was caught squeezing one out on the side of a cop car.

  • Anonymous

    Link please…..

  • Anonymous

    good God……really?

    As usual, the left refuses to shine that bright light of scrutiny on themselves while salivating that there is a .00000000000000000000000000001% chance that this suspect is a Tea Party adherent.

    That hypocrisy is so blatant that (insert extreme, witty analogy here)

  • Anonymous

    So both are equal. The left is as vile as the right?

  • Jason_in_Vegas

    I for one am shocked to see Tommy Boy take a position in defense of his fellow marxist losers. Way to be original, Tom. Ya’ fucking schmuck.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly, there might have been rumors that sexual abuse and public pooping occurred, but were those accounts substantiated by actual evidence? Me thinks its just partisan smears and, like you said, just rumors (with no factual basis).

     OWS has actual victims saying they were raped, and there are actual photos and videos of people crapping in public. Youre not making any sense. 

  • Anonymous

    But if manufacturing of false narratives occurs on both sides of the political spectrum (which you just admitted to), then how is your point solely about the right? You’re admitting your partisan bias and don’t even realize it. 

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Very good question Tat…

    The example provided, that of Tuscon and Palin, demonstrates that both professional and amateur observers rushed to conclusions before much in the way of evidence was available.  Sloppy and wrong.

    The case before us shows that some, both professional and amateur, manufacture conclusions despite available evidence.  Intentional and wrong.  

    Are those things equal?  Vile in the same manner?

  • Nick O’Teen

    It’s very odd that’s where your thoughts go on this issue.  You’d better get out of the sun and back into the A/C in the casinos because your brain is fried.

  • Anonymous

    The sloppy shooter & the OWS bums: Peas in a pod; rotten fruit from the same tree. He is definitely one of theirs.

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Recognition of our own bias is essential.  I am well aware of mine and always work to expand the dimensions of my thinking.  The fact that liberals are imperfect in no way negates my perception of developments on the right… though it does inform a general understanding of human frailty and the limits of our current capacity to solve collective problems. 

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Stoney blooms as full blown fruit of the process.  Everything is in it’s right place.

  • Dad

    It was only a matter of time b/4 this happen  Just look at “MSNBC”  telling people everyday how great this OWS is

    Lake Zurich,IL

  • tl

    Yeah, they just play footsie in public stalls asking for sexual favors.

  • Norbit

    The (Democratic) Barbarians At The Gate!

    2012!
    Remember The DNC/OWS Riots!

    Campaign 2012!
    lmao!

  • Anonymous

    I’ve said it before and will say it again:  I can’t wait to be ruled by these people.  Good times are coming!!

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    First, the guy is an embarrassment to OWS and should be ashamed of himself!!

    Second, Tommy didn’t have to cover this story and to everyone who gives him sh*t for only cherry-picking stories that make Republicons look bad should reconsider their future criticisms!!

  • Anonymous

    While it was tragic that so many died and Giffords was shot (she is a true American hero), had this been ANY member of a tea party, you guys would have been going ape shit for weeks about the story. You want a valid comparison? How about the guy that had a gun at a tea party event and didn’t shoot anyone or anything? Matthews and MSNBC went ballistic on that story for weeks! You’re right, the comparison is insane. This is far worse and not much about the OWS/assassination attempt in the news at all. Had it been a right-winger, there would be nine stories on this and the TP connection on Mediaite’s front page. And that is shameful. 

  • Anonymous

    Yep….. although the media reaction to the 2 situations are not equal.

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    I disagree.  We recently saw the case of a north Georgia militia plot to carry out assassinations of public officials and broad violent terror with nearly no mainstream notice.  If your claim is true, this case would have been published more broadly.  We don’t need a hypothetical.  

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C34g5mz1ZQ Mayor of Cornfield

    I’m afraid you’re going to be jettisoned to the Cornfield. 
    You’re a bad man! You’re a very bad man! 
    You keep thinking bad thoughts about Tommy!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2dBtrLYsOo

  • Sick of defending this stuff

    Sorry Tommy I’m a liberal and sick and tired of trying to defend the OWS crowd. Just because I’m a Democrat I’m not going to be blind to all the crime & bs thats gone on at these protests. Its a joke the cover these people have gotten. Not playing the game anymore.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=734616217 Garrett York

    Why? Christopher gets all butthurt over the idea that Ortega is compared to Jered Loughner and *snicker* Timothy McVeigh (the idiotic idea that McVeigh was some sort of proto-tea party member is worthy of the most contempt-laden ridicule) and whines about the comparison being made on Conservative blogs. The key difference Christopher fails to understand is that Loughner had no political motivation while Ortega was clearly a member of the Occupy Movement. Christopher believes there’s no comparison based solely on the merits that Ortega failed do accomplish what he intended to do. Christopher cherry-picked this story for the sole purpose of whining about conservatives (rightly) lumping Ortega in with the Occupy movement.

  • Jonathan Cantor

    Isn’t your avatar the definition of a heathen? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FSPIVAFYI672OH5NOKVRTEZA4U MadCharles

    We have many of these types here  living in San Diego.  

    BTW – The California Supreme Court just sided with Prop 8. Sucks for (no pun intended) the gay marriage crowd… They’ll make this Occupooh clown look sane once this word gets out here…  Can’t Wait !!

  • Soozer

    I’m glad the Secret Service takes this guy seriously, even if Tommy doesn’t.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/11/17/barack-obama-assassination-charge.html

  • Anonymous

    Chants of the OWS degenerates: “Eat the Rich”, “Gimme, Gimme, Gimme, Gimme”, “Behead the Wealthy”

    The (bowel) movement known as ows is clearly in solidarity with the d-cRAT socialists, al qaeda, unionists, islamic jihadist extremists, ahmadinejad, hugo chavez, and every other disgusting, despicable person on Earth.

    The monster created by Dr. Frankenstein rejected and overwhelmed him. Similarly, the anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-Semitic monster of slugs, slackers, deadbeats, liars, freeloaders, losers, taxpayer-leeches, cheats, ILLEGALS and potheads created by the lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists are rejecting and overwhelming them.  Let’s not forget the words of the monster to Dr. Frankenstein:  “You are my creator, but I am your master. Obey!” – and the lunatic-left will do just that.

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Tat…

    Make your case.  Convince me.

  • Jacobjakeu

    Why compare them?

    Because, Tommy, THEY ARE THE SAME MONSTERS.

    Once again, I read an article with a truly IDIOTIC point of view and instantly know that “Tommy Christopher” wrote it.

    Whether the Washington D. C. guy was successful or not is besides the point. He’s just as monstrous as Loughner.

    Only you can imagine that Ortega isn’t a monster. Anyone who shoots a gun where they aren’t supposed to, potentially killing people along the way, is a monster.

    And quite frankly, Tommy, you’re not just a bleeding-heart liberal but this POV crosses the line. You are a monster too.

  • Cecelia

    Well, in making the point that Loughner actually killed people, whereas Ortez did not, you seem to miss the point that YOU and most of the media blamed this heinous killer on the rhetoric coming from the Tea Party and various conservative politicians.

    So much for “hideous comparisons”, Tommy!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=734616217 Garrett York

    “It’s silly, too, because their point, that this exact moment would have
    played very poorly against the Tea Party, is completely valid. Why
    undercut it by comparing Ortega to monsters like Loughner and Timothy
    McVeigh?”

    The problem, Mr. Christopher, is that you deliberately ignore – and in some cases make up – facts in order to come to such an idiot conclusion. The Jered Loughner shooting did not play poorly against the Tea Party because it had nothing to do with the Tea Party. Leftists such as yourself twisted themselves out of shape in order to try and pin Sarah Palin’s placement of a target graphic on a map as the cause of a mentally ill person’s shooting rampage. Said mentally ill person (not you, Christopher, though it is sometimes difficult to make the distinction) had no political affiliation and no motive beyond the prima facia evidence that he was a nut job, pure and simple. But the media and Lefty politicians spent MONTHS lecturing the country on civility and calm discourse only to abandon it when it was convenient for them. This despite the fact – again – that there is no way even the best Lawyer alive or dead could have tied any Tea Party rhetoric to Laughner’s actions.

    Meanwhile, on the other side of the coin, Christopher gets himself bent out of shape because Ortega is rightly and correctly identified as a member of the Occupy Movement. What I fail to understand is why, when there have been multiple deaths, rapes, assaults, and thefts at the various Occupy camps, Christopher chooses this moment to try and distance himself and the movement from one of its members. Is it simply because Ortega’s target was the president? I mean, it can’t possibly because this somehow makes the movement look bad. All the raping and deaths have already done that. Is it because this is the death blow to any public support of the occupy movement? Support that was already running int he 30% range? And Christopher is somehow trying his hardest to keep that movement alive?

    The idea that Christopher would reflexively lump the Tea Party in with Timothy McVeigh says more about Christopher than it does about any Tea Party member or the party itself. It says Christopher instinctively fears what he does not understand, McVeigh had as much to do with Tea Party ideals as Ted Kennedy. McVeigh was angry over Waco and thus, anti-government. The Tea Party is anti-tax, and in favor of very limited government. Christopher’s inclusion of McVeigh – a monster who committed a heinous act fifteen years before the birth of the Tea Party movement – reveals his willing ignorance of those who oppose his ideological mindset, and it doesn’t make his side of the spectrum look very flattering.

  • Cecelia

    “It’s silly, too, because their point, that this exact moment would have
    played very poorly against the Tea Party, is completely valid.”

    You said a mouthful.  Had the action happened during the Tea Party protests you’d be churning out recriminations against them six months later…

  • Joe W.

    So Tommy, according to you, if this moon bat OWS protester had found his mark, we could THEN compare him to Loughner??  Your liberal logic never fails to amaze and humor me.  Moron.

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    I haven’t heard on the news that Ortega was a protester with OWS!! Was just watching Shepard Smith and he didn’t mention that!!

  • Anonymous

    That’s sorta besides the point.

  • http://www.scoamf.com/2011/08/hitler-realizes-obama-is-stuttering.html Unicon

    Ace of Spades sets Tommy straight:  http://minx.cc/?post=323836

  • Jonathan Cantor

    No.. your supporting a heathen. So not all issues are black and white. Look I don’t support people taking a moment of silence for an attempted assassin but calling them a heathen is unproductive. 

  • Anonymous

    I agree the Loughner comparison is askew. But ask yourself this, what would have happened if they had said a prayer for this white house shooting guy at a tea party? The typeset accross the top of the New York Times would be Pearl Harboresque. Bill Maher would be forced to invent new curse words to appropriately convey the derision with which he veiws the tea party. And Olbermann!?! think of poor keith. he would be on a 24 hour Worst Person in the World rant that ends with his head exploding on camera(which Al Gore subsequently blames on George Bush and global warming.) So be thankful the the “right” side is at play on this one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1134865289 Sharon Hunt

    LOL, well said

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1134865289 Sharon Hunt

    no, that IS the point!

  • Cecelia

    Personally, I love the bit where Tommy manages to both admit the guy’s action was damn stupid AND appeal to notions of liberal “compassion and inclusion” by referencing the fact that the guy played to mean conservative stereotypes of these ‘liberal’ traits.

    Trust me, no matter the story, whenever T.C. has a peashooter pointed at the left, it’s just a matter of moments before he’s firing the buckshot towards conservatives.

  • Anonymous

    “It’s an odd moment, and one which reinforces liberal stereotypes about compassion and inclusion”

    Ok, so you’re compassionate, inclusive, and will honor people who do horrible things because it’s the right thing to do at these protests… what other “moments of silence” have you had? 

    The arrested rapists?  It’s a horrible violent crime, did they get a moment of silence?  Why not?  the elderly lady you pushed down the stairs… did you show compassion and inclusion and have a monet of silence for her?  No?

    Why is it that only a violent criminal lunatic trying to kill the President of the United States get a “moment of silence” from the movement to show compassion and inclusion… and lets be honest SOLIDARITY with his actions?

    If it’s not people doing things you support that caused this as the conservatives (and independents, and many liberals, and pretty much everyone but you) think; show the other “moments of silence” that clarify that you’re just having them from compassion and inclusion and not support and solidarity.

    Heck, just find one.

  • http://twitter.com/politicallogic Joel Palmer

    @tommyxtopher methinks ur correct that ppl didnt actually read your article. But a comparison IS fair b/c Loughner is troubled as well & this guy is charged w/ attempting something equally monstrous but he failed

  • Cecelia

    What? You’re thinking Tommy’s strawman apples and oranges accusation misses the blogger’s point?

    And that even though we’d all take this scenario in a nanosecond, you’d still deny that anything said about Tim McVeigh would be less  true or relevant if that bomb he planted had not gone off?

    Boy, you THINK too much…

  • Tony the Fist

    Exactly. And Tommy, “Why undercut it by comparing Ortega to monsters like Loughner and Timothy McVeigh?” What if the bullet had hit the President? That would put him on par with Booth, Oswald, etc. Aren’t they monsters?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GSZIPMBCCZAQ7M2VAWMOL2B3YA deadrody

    Only in the moral relativism of liberals in this country is the idea that victims of crimes and the perpetrators of those crimes are equally deserving of a moment of silence for support and solidarity – a GOOD thing.  No, that is NOT a good thing.  Being unable or unwilling (which is worse ?) to tell the difference between right and wrong is not an enviable, admirable, or even principled position.  

    Taking even a completely feckless shot at the white house is a crime.  It is WRONG.  And someone committing said crime is not deserving of any “moment of silence” for solidarity or support. And anyone who believes such a thing is, quite frankly, a moron at best.  

  • Anonymous

    Uh, yeah, it is.  This is a cartoon(anime).  It has no impact on real life, it’s just a cartoon.  It’s not like what I see in it will have any real impact on my life.  You’re trying to draw a connection that isn’t there.

    Also, I’ll call them heathen freaks because, well, the definition for the noun of the word seems to pretty well nail them all down perfectly.  And at least you aren’t debating the the freak part.  To deny what I stated is to deny what they are.

    These people are the personification of what Winston Churchill once said: Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.

  • Anonymous

    That dude is a total, ignorant douche.

  • Joe W.

    And how in the hell do you know what I thnk about Timothy McVeigh, young lady? Boy, you think too little…..

  • Jonathan Cantor

    No I’m trying to understand the definition of a heathen. I’ve read the Bible multiple times at this point and a lot of things classify. I mean Mr. Churchill most certainly would. But I would never call him one. Your exercising your first amendment right. But please tone it down theres no reason to call anyone a bad name. Also I’m not sure I am calling them freaks either. They seem like frustrated individuals but not sure how they are freaks. Enjoy your anime!

  • Sean68

    That was amusing but my point was more about the dishonesty of the media and less about either OWS or the TP.

  • Anonymous

    All that silence was people thinking WHAT THE HELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT????

    And, they were all leaving anyway. It is NOT like they were in a mass frenzy, stopped for that moment of silence, and started changing and banging drums again.

  • Cecelia

    Actually, you think just right…  Sorry, I didn’t make the sarcasm more pointed.

  • ArmyStrong619

    Do you people ever read back on all these comments you guys put. If you read it everyone is arguing about the same crap but about a different political party. Don’t you think its time to do away with this 2 party dictatorship, Democrats and Republicans have ruined this country and all they do is bicker back and forth about this party is racist this party doesnt care about the american people this party is this and that. When are people going to get tired of this crap. Democrats and Republicans say the exact same things about eachother and the American people are fooled into choosing a side and arguing the same way these politicians do. We need a fresh start when electing our political figures because they are ALL the same, they all get corrupted by money greed power, they just want to get re-elected and build their political party to stay in power. WAKE up America stop playing into these political games. Just read these comments its all pretty much the same but about a different political party. And even when people try to do something good others have to put left right political crap about it.

  • Joe W.

    My bad, and I apologize for my snarkiness. These OWS ass holes are getting too me, I suppose…..

  • lazzzlo

    Twitter war!
    Tommy defending this post.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if the police advised this shooter of his right to a moment of silence…LOL

  • Anonymous

    Tommy’s got his hands full trying to defend his misguided and somewhat disingenuous opinion piece.

  • Cecelia

     I just watched the video and the guy asked for a moment of silence and “solidarity” with both the White House AND with the shooter!

    The guy wistfully wondered what it could be that would make someone associated with Occupy DC act in this manner! 

    In my opinion, that statement from the speaker and the remark about solidarity seem to imply that such an action could be understandable based upon economic duress.

    I’ve finally learned that it’s you don’t always get the entire story from T.C…

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    Tommy ain’t no “B”.

  • Anonymous

    As Tommy has stated above the OWS movement has received a mostly warm reception by the MSM. Many have even crossed over to become part of said movement. Now… this shooting has, so far, not been connected to the OWS movement despite a few reasons that it could. Now you have this moment of silence for the WH and the shooter himself. That in itself would normally be salacious enough to get press attention. But, except for a few internet articles, it isn’t being reported. If any of the big 3 or any other news outlet has reported this let me know… but as far as I can see this isn’t getting press attention.

    Now lets look at what happened after Gabby Giffords and many others were shot and killed by Loughner. The press couldn’t connect that shooting to Palin and the Tea Party as a whole fast enough. And it continues to this day.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/15/abcs_sawyer_says_palin_targeted_gabby_giffords.html

    So in one case you have the press manufacturing a connection to a shooter and a political movement and in the other you have silence.

    I’m not saying the answer is MORE bad reporting. I’m just pointing out the inconsistency in their actions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=734616217 Garrett York

    “I haven’t heard it so it’s not true.” Good one. Yeah, let’s ignore the facts that he came out to D.C. to live with the Occupiers, stayed with them, ate their food, slept near them and – of course – was honored by them with a moment of silence vigil.

  • Jacobjakeu

    Mediaite, can you please fire Tommy Christopher? Please? It’s not like he’s that endearingly baffling extremist, like Bob Beckel on The Five.

    It’s that he is actually a vile, contemptuous, arrogant extremist, and he never has any interesting point to make. You see his name… you can fill in the blanks.

    Is that what this site is supposed to be about?

    His articles are not about insights or news or illuminations about facts…. it’s simply about him… and his extremist POV.  He’s more extreme than some MSNBC nutcases!

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    I just said I haven’t heard that, never said it wasn’t true!!

  • Anonymous

    Liberals need to learn.  Doesn’t matter if you agree with someone, you simply condemn indecent behavior  from anyone who engages in it.  You don’t support assassination attempts or acts of violence.  Doesn’t matter what the message is, you simply don’t.

    As O’Reilly rightly points out, both sides have ‘loons’. My problem is that too often the professional left ignores or justifies their ‘loons’.  Conservatives, to their credit, call out their ‘loons.   I quote O’Reilly simply because I love the word ‘loons’.  Fits perfectly.  

  • Nick O’Teen

    I for one am sick and tired of everyone trying to connect these losers to the occupy movement and the folks too lazy to get the facts before the shark with their comments. 

  • Bob

    OK, so the update shows the headline is totally inaccurate. and mediaite leaves it up as is?
    weird

  • http://twitter.com/thejimmyzshow Jimmy Z

    HERE’S THE BOTTOM LINE: He said what he said. He can spin it now, but his spin is the exact opposite of what he said. He either meant it, or he’s a moron: Take your pick. Worse yet, NO ONE (that I heard) said, “Oh no! Don’t say that! Don’t offer solidarity with the shooter!”  So clearly, everyone offered up their silence IN SOLIDARITY with the shooter, as that moron said they should. No nays.

  • MsInformed

    He should have added “OOPS”.

  • Pablo

    I heard that you are functionally retarded, but equipped with an overactive imagination.

  • Pablo

    Links, please.

  • Pablo

    And actual police reports.

  • Anonymous

    I notified the site. Thankfully, the person hasn’t commented as much.

  • AliveStillKickin

    While they are having their moment of silence….I am cursing the man who installed bullet proof glass.

  • GDC

    Bird of a feather.

  • Zoomiemsgt

    Tommy should thank Ace for the web traffic.  Not a whole lot of investigation will show how biased Tommy is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_36BD4PJPSMELQCCUYBXPJKJ5OY Mega

    Blech, for once (and hopefully ONLY once) I think I have to agree with the tea baggers. The protestor in question was clearly referring to have a moment of silence for the shooter. If we are to believe his updated excuse, it begs the question, if you were referring to Obama or his family or whatever in the white house, why would you have a moment of silence for them when none of them were (thankfully) injured? It sounds like really lame damage control.

    Having said that, if he truly wanted to show compassion for the shooter because of his mental illness, well okay sure I guess do what yo’ud like. If he WAS in fact trying to show support for the his attempt to kill Obama, well then I’m confused at what the righties are hoping to gain from this? That OWS, a group that supposedly backs up Obama and his socialist/marxist/communist ideals….actually turns out to….HATE Obama?

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