Olbermann and horsecrap . That fits .

The Nation ? The lovely and charming Katrina vanden Heuvel ? Outpatient Olbermann ? Horsecrap ? What more could a liberal ask for ?… Mudflaps , maybe .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2MBN-RYN4c

No……..no.

The article leaves out the fact that Dobbs contracts a Vermont stable to care for his daughter’s show horses which sounds like the famous illegal maid of Meg Whitman who was hired through an agency. The Nation’s Isabell McDonald’s article implies the Vermont stable used by Dobbs hired the grooms and that Dobbs did not personally hire the grooms. The Dobbs Group contracted the Vermont stable. The Vermont stable relied on undocumented workers not Dobbs. ICE should investigate the Vermont stable.

The Nation and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute is just as bad as Gloria Allred.They let their agenda get in the way of the facts and Keith Olbermann and Mediaite are complicit.

If you are Lou Dobbs though, and illegal immigration is the issue you are most passionate about, wouldn’t you check on the legal status of people working for you? Or at least have someone else check for you? It’s hard to practice what you preach.

The gajillionth examle of right wing hypocrisy
Now we prepare for all the excuses of why he didn’t know
and how it wasn’t his fault blah blah blah
Apparently VRWCCM started it here already…ITS VERMONTS FAULT!!!!

c’mon you guys it really isn’t his fault
Really it was Mexican dug dealers who got tired of dealing drugs and
wanted to live their dream to shovel horse shit
SO they put a gun to Dobbs head and told him to keep his mouth shut
and he better just sit there in his mansion and keep drinking
Now you libs just shut up about Lou, now that you know the truth, so there

Maybe Lou was afraid that if he asked to see any papers, the government would come down on him like they did with Arizona.

writer said:
Maybe Lou was afraid that if he asked to see any papers, the government would come down on him like they did with Arizona.

Or maybe he’s just a raging hypocrite.

Just to be safe, I think they should boycott him.

What’s Lou doing now? Does he have a radio program?

Yes. Tune in to Air America.

writer said:
Yes. Tune in to Air America.

Air America? I tried listening to them a few years ago. Couldn’t stomach it.

Well, there ya go.

I used to think that Lou Dobbs was for native born Americans and wanted to see the Illegal Immigrants returned safely back to their homelands but now realize that he exploits them like the big corporations do:

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blogs/another-amnesty-for-twenty

It is tricky. You shouldn’t hire illegals, but if you ask to see any papers, you’re a racist.

writer said:
It is tricky. You shouldn’t hire illegals, but if you ask to see any papers, you’re a racist.

Considering his rhetoric on the issue, it’s hard for me to imagine Lou Dobbs shying away from asking someone for their papers.

Then he’s a Nazi!

writer said:
Then he’s a Nazi!

If you say so. I sure didn’t say that.

But that was why Arizona got in trouble. Asking for proof is Nazi-like. “Your papers, please.”

So Paul, by your reasoning every time Lou gets a sandwich and takes his family out to eat he better get everyone’s papers. It’s impossible to keep track of all the people you do business with that are illegal.

Does he personally employ the people he is buying a sandwich from? Your analogy doesn’t work. Try again genius.

paulmdoro said:
Or maybe he’s just a raging hypocrite.

I believe you are correct, Paul, and that Righter is the Wronger of the two.

Is this really shocking? Conservatives always bathe in their own filth. Hypocrisy is definitely not abnormal behavior from miscreants like Lou.

King, I said maybe that’s what Lou was thinking. You’re supposed to check documentation, but if you do you’re a racist. The left told us so, and that’s why Arizona got in trouble.

writer said:
King, I said maybe that’s what Lou was thinking. You’re supposed to check documentation, but if you do you’re a racist. The left told us so, and that’s why Arizona got in trouble.

what a parasite.

I’m assuming your just playing the ignorant freeper role, but just to cash in on your comment.

Arizona got in trouble for asking for police checking documentation on anyone, for any reason. Completely different subject.

These are people who worked for him, on his property. Therefore, as the employer, he is responsible to make sure his employees are all legal.

This is the main reason we have rampant immigration issues. Employers are the problem, not the immigrants.

If the employers didn’t hire undocumented immigrants, then there would be no jobs for them to come here for.

Dobbs is a hypocrite, what else is new.

Blow it out your ass, SpineCrusher. You guys are the ones always crying about ‘checking papers’.

writer said:
Blow it out your ass, SpineCrusher. You guys are the ones always crying about ‘checking papers’.

Nailed you to the wall with reason and you can’t handle it.

If by ‘reason’, you mean calling any attempts at checking documenation ‘racism’, then you’re being reasonable.

Writer, my excuse for Dobbs makes soooo much more sense than yours
Just keep telling people it was Mexican drug dealers whose life dream
was to shovel horse shit and they were holding Dobbs hostage to live out their dream
See it makes so much more sense than he was soooo scared to check their status

writer said:
If by ‘reason’, you mean calling any attempts at checking documenation ‘racism’, then you’re being reasonable.

writer said:
King, I said maybe that’s what Lou was thinking. You’re supposed to check documentation, but if you do you’re a racist. The left told us so, and that’s why Arizona got in trouble.

That was you. Nobody else associated the two.

Nice attempt at deflecting the facts, for the LOSE!

writer said:
It is tricky. You shouldn’t hire illegals, but if you ask to see any papers, you’re a racist.

writer said:
Then he’s a Nazi!

writer said:
But that was why Arizona got in trouble. Asking for proof is Nazi-like. “Your papers, please.”

Sorry, missed a couple of your eloquant associations…nice work.

So SC, you don’t recall any of the several threads about immigration, and all those left wing posts comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany, and complaints over questioning people who ‘look Mexican’, and we’ll become a police state, etc. You missed all of that? Ooookay.

See! I just knew Dobbs wasn’t the hater everyone made him out to be. He even tried to help by offering some work. I’ll bet they can’t make $4.25 an hour in Mexico.

writer said:
King, I said maybe that’s what Lou was thinking. You’re supposed to check documentation, but if you do you’re a racist. The left told us so, and that’s why Arizona got in trouble.

damn you’re a piece of work. Completely ignoring the context of my response because it made you look like an ignorant fool.

your overgeneralizations are really ridiculous. I am responding to YOU and YOU only…don’t try and lump me in with other people that aren’t making comments on my behalf.

You got owned…just deal with it and move on. Your senseless ramblings got called out and now you want to cry about it and change the context to make your widdle ego fewl bedda…fat chance I’m gonna let a parasite like you get off that easy.

VRWC Destruction Machine said:
The article leaves out the fact that Dobbs contracts a Vermont stable to care for his daughter’s show horses which sounds like the famous illegal maid of Meg Whitman who was hired through an agency. The Nation’s Isabell McDonald’s article implies the Vermont stable used by Dobbs hired the grooms and that Dobbs did not personally hire the grooms. The Dobbs Group contracted the Vermont stable. The Vermont stable relied on undocumented workers not Dobbs. ICE should investigate the Vermont stable.

The Nation and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute is just as bad as Gloria Allred.They let their agenda get in the way of the facts and Keith Olbermann and Mediaite are complicit.

100% correct.

Mediate leaves out this fact but The Nation article talks about it on page 3 paragraphs 8-10. Please update this if you have any integrity.

Here is the whole article:

http://www.thenation.com/article/155209/lou-dobbs-american-hypocrite?page=0,0

Z_man723 said:
100% correct.

Mediate leaves out this fact but The Nation article talks about it on page 3 paragraphs 8-10. Please update this if you have any integrity.

Here is the whole article:

http://www.thenation.com/article/155209/lou-dobbs-american-hypocrite?page=0,0

So he has absolutely no responsibility to check on the legal status of people working directly for him?

Well since Colby didn’t bother to put it in his article, Dobb’s response was:

Dobbs said in an interview Thursday the article is “a political assault” based on what he called “the lie” that he has hired illegal immigrants. He says: “I have never, do not now, and never will.”

gar said:
So Paul, by your reasoning every time Lou gets a sandwich and takes his family out to eat he better get everyone’s papers. It’s impossible to keep track of all the people you do business with that are illegal.

But isn’t that, in effect, what Dobbs was demanding in his countless assaults on illegitimate aliens? So, how can you defend him? My God, when liberals are found to be hypocritical, I call them out. Cannot you call out a conservative when he/she is found to be that way?

writer said:
King, I said maybe that’s what Lou was thinking. You’re supposed to check documentation, but if you do you’re a racist. The left told us so, and that’s why Arizona got in trouble.

Checking documentation when you stop someone is one thing. Checking documentation of someone you hire is another. In almost every job application I have filled out, there is something about being an American citizen in it.

SpineCrusher said:
This is the main reason we have rampant immigration issues. Employers are the problem, not the immigrants.

Exactly!!!! And Lou Dobbs was the employer.

writer said:
So SC, you don’t recall any of the several threads about immigration, and all those left wing posts comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany, and complaints over questioning people who ‘look Mexican’, and we’ll become a police state, etc. You missed all of that? Ooookay.

What does this — any of this — have to do with the Lou Dobbs controversy. If you will recall, he was the voice of the anti-illegals for lo’ these many years. That is what makes this story. You are obfuscating the issue.

exiledtruther said:
exiledtruther

Just curious, what does your name on this blog mean?

alamo2 said:
Just curious, what does your name on this blog mean?

I think it means he’s been banned from the site in the past.

I have a suggestion: Why not look into each and every member of Congress and all other departments in the Federal Gov’t and see just how many have been OR ARE doing the same thing. Wow, now that would be a list for us to see! However, it will never happen, they ALL think they are above OUR laws and can do what ever whenever they want. Why not check on Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Waters and OBAMA? We can wish can’t we?

Dandee said:
I have a suggestion: Why not look into each and every member of Congress and all other departments in the Federal Gov’t and see just how many have been OR ARE doing the same thing. Wow, now that would be a list for us to see! However, it will never happen, they ALL think they are above OUR laws and can do what ever whenever they want. Why not check on Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Waters and OBAMA? We can wish can’t we?

Oh, geez! Thought you had something there, ace. And then you go and ruin it by saying check only on Democrats. Oh well, just when I thought there was an honest, non-hypocritical right winger on this site, you done gone and ruint it! Schucks -a-mighty!!

Looks like the Dems beat us to it Dandee:

Republicans Accuse Dems of Using IRS Audits to Bully Conservative Groups

Congressional Republicans are accusing Democrats and administration officials of leaking privileged IRS information and using invasive audits to bully conservative groups, the New York Times says, and they are not happy about it.

The first charge by Republicans Senators centers around a senior Obama administration official who may have improperly accessed the tax records of Koch Industries, an oil company whose owners are major conservative donors, while the second charge lambastes Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) for scoping the funding activities of historically conservative tax-exempt groups.

According to the Times, the Treasury Department has opened up an investigation regarding allegations by Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA)* and six other Republican senators who claim a senior administration official disclosed confidential taxpayer information regarding Koch Industries — whose owners are major conservative donors — during a conference call with journalists.

During that call, the official pointed to Koch Industries as an example of “multibillion-dollar businesses that are structured as partnerships in ways that allow them to avoid paying sizable corporate taxes.”

Grassley believes that statement implied “direct knowledge of Koch’s legal and tax status,” in possible violation of taxpayers’ privacy laws, and may have been “politically motivated,” the Times says.

The White House is calling the ordeal a misunderstanding, saying in a statement that “The official’s statement was not based on any review of tax filings and we will not use this example in the future.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/republicans-accuse-dems-of-using-irs-audits-to-bully-conservative-groups/

Once the lunatic-left d-crat socialists and their stooges in the lamestream socialist fake-news media come up with a slime attack (as hey did against Meg Whitman in CA), their eco-nut nature kicks in and they recycle the slime again and again and again against everybody that opposes their extremism.

Spine, ding, ding, ding, ding! exile was banned as MichelleF everybody who has been aound here for a while knew her by that . Since she has been banned she has quite a few identities that she uses here. She also uses them to do thumbs down on all the liberal comments, everybody knows the thumbs thing now is so bogus but she does it anyway . One of the ways to tell if someone is Michelle is she uses he identities to criticize mediate and the witers, especially Colby, apparently he’s the one that banned her

Iris: Are you saying that Colby is thin-skinned like Obama? I don’t believe that. If Michelle was banned for criticizing the columnists on this board, then those columnists should be gone. Why offer up comments if the writers can’t take constructive criticism.

For example, commenters here have pointed out how Colby left out critical parts of this article when posting it here. That is unfair of Colby, and he should update his article to reflect the truth, not the spin of the anti-Dobb crowd.

Asking for fairness, even from a liberal site as this one, should never be reason to be banned.

Colby deserves the criticism if he left out the critical part from the Nation Magazine. Not to mention, that Colby should be criticized for even using The Nation as a source — it is a known liberal rag that doesn’t have much credibility as it is.

TeaPartyPatriot said:
Once the lunatic-left d-crat socialists and their stooges in the lamestream socialist fake-news media come up with a slime attack (as hey did against Meg Whitman in CA), their eco-nut nature kicks in and they recycle the slime again and again and again against everybody that opposes their extremism.

That sure is a fancy looking tin-foil hat you’re wearing there. I see you ordered it off theblaze.com, very nice indeed!

They’ve got a couple other books that are right up your alley.

- Mormonism IS Christianity, damnit!
- When will the Rich, White Men get a Chance at Running this Country into the Ground? (best-seller list)
- How to Recite Republican Talking Points for Dummies
- Walking a Mile in a Democrat’s Shoes and Finding Out They Were Made by Communists (made in China-almost out of print)
- Personal Responsibility: Why It Doesn’t Pertain to Republicans (self-help)
- Meg Whitman: How I Almost Won an Election Without Any Prior Experience in Politics
- The Tea-Party Manifesto: How Rationality Gets in the Way of Your Emotions (self-help)

Hope that helps!

TfT said:
Iris: Are you saying that Colby is thin-skinned like Obama? I don’t believe that. If Michelle was banned for criticizing the columnists on this board, then those columnists should be gone. Why offer up comments if the writers can’t take constructive criticism. For example, commenters here have pointed out how Colby left out critical parts of this article when posting it here. That is unfair of Colby, and he should update his article to reflect the truth, not the spin of the anti-Dobb crowd. Asking for fairness, even from a liberal site as this one, should never be reason to be banned. Colby deserves the criticism if he left out the critical part from the Nation Magazine. Not to mention, that Colby should be criticized for even using The Nation as a source — it is a known liberal rag that doesn’t have much credibility as it is.

That’s not what she’s talking about. Abusive threats towards the staff of Mediate should not be tolerated. That’s the only reason they ban people, other than that we’ve pretty much got free reign.

Dandee said:
I have a suggestion: Why not look into each and every member of Congress and all other departments in the Federal Gov’t and see just how many have been OR ARE doing the same thing. Wow, now that would be a list for us to see! However, it will never happen, they ALL think they are above OUR laws and can do what ever whenever they want. Why not check on Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Waters and OBAMA? We can wish can’t we?

“OUR laws”…how old are you? Do you think some guy sitting in his underwear collecting unemployment wrote the Constitution? Do you think some illiterate yokel wrote the Bill of Rights?

I’m with you on pointing out the hypocrisy of ALL of congress, but when you blatantly only call out Democrats you’ve defeated yourself.

FOR THE LOSE!

alamo2 said:
What does this — any of this — have to do with the Lou Dobbs controversy. If you will recall, he was the voice of the anti-illegals for lo’ these many years. That is what makes this story. You are obfuscating the issue.

Oops! Three thumbs down. Guess they didn’t under stand the word, “obfuscate.”

See Spine, chances are tft is Michelle, thats how she still lashes out at mediate witers.

exiledtruther said:
exiledtruther

Again, just curious, no harm intended: what does your name (exiled truther) connote? I am truly curious.

alamo, your 3 thumbs down is just michelleF going thought the theads making sure all the liberal sounding comments have alot of thumbs down and notice how the wingers have thumbs up , its just the game she plays with all her numerous identities here , everybody pretty much knows the thumbs up thumbs down thing is bogus because of her so nobody else really bothers with it

Spinecrusher says:

Abusive threats towards the staff of Mediate should not be tolerated. That’s the only reason they ban people, other than that we’ve pretty much got free reign.

You couldn’t be more wrong. Though I’m sure it’s easier for you libs to believe that.

exiledtruther said:
Spinecrusher says: Abusive threats towards the staff of Mediate should not be tolerated. That’s the only reason they ban people, other than that we’ve pretty much got free reign. You couldn’t be more wrong. Though I’m sure it’s easier for you libs to believe that.

Guess you’re not going to tell me why you call yourself “exiledtruther,” huh?

Iris said:
alamo, your 3 thumbs down is just michelleF going thought the theads making sure all the liberal sounding comments have alot of thumbs down and notice how the wingers have thumbs up , its just the game she plays with all her numerous identities here , everybody pretty much knows the thumbs up thumbs down thing is bogus because of her so nobody else really bothers with it

Thanks, Iris. I thought it was because I was using words that were too big!

Alamo, I would never attempt to have a conversation who would listen to anything Iris says. The girl is flat out delusional!

There you alamo I said michellef and here comes exiledtruther to respond, thats one of her identities
(as you might notice shes not too bright either)

No Iris, I’m TfT, have been for a long time.

I still don’t know why MichelleF was banned – her commentary was critical of the content of articles, but insofar as what you pose, I never saw that.

I’ve seen the F bomb dropped here a gazzilion times, the C word as well….now that should be cause for banning, imho, but I’m not a moderator here.

As I said, I don’t believe that Colby, Glynnis or even Tommy are as thin-skinned as hehimself is, so I stand by my comment and even my question: Why was MichelleF banned?

paulmdoro said:
So he has absolutely no responsibility to check on the legal status of people working directly for him?

The criminal aliens were not working directly for Lou Dobbs. If you read The Nation article you’d know they were hired by the Vermont stable contracted to care for Dobb’s daughter’s horses. Besides, Isabel McDonald wrote the article for The Nation based her article on info obtained by The Nation and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute. Does it sound like a source that barely scratches surface of the situation unless they give themselves a fancy name to give a false sense of credibility. For all I know, The Nation and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute may be a bunch of college interns working the mail room at The Nation.

Z_man723 said:
100% correct.

Mediate leaves out this fact but The Nation article talks about it on page 3 paragraphs 8-10. Please update this if you have any integrity.

Here is the whole article:

http://www.thenation.com/article/155209/lou-dobbs-american-hypocrite?page=0,0

I bet your the only other person here that read the article in The Nation.

A local auto repair garage where I take my car was recently raided for hiring illegal aliens to clean up the cars and the garage. Is it my responsibility to check out all the employees of the company? Get real!

A local health clinic hired a cleaning firm to clean the building after hours. Turns out some illegals were hired by the cleaning company. Is the health clinic manager responsible for checking out the status of the employees of the legal cleaning company? Get real!

SpineCrusher, you dumb ass, ever heard of a phony ID? So how’s an employer supposed to know? The police have ways of verifying papers that employers don’t have. And despite your left wing whining, the Arizona law never said that cops could stop people for no reason. So while you keep whining that ‘it’s the employers’, you fight every attempt to stop the flow of illegals. If someone shows a phony ID in a liquor store, does the proprietor always call the cops to make sure, or does he pretty much take their word for it if they look anywhere near legal age? Saying ‘it’s the employers’, then wanting to tie the hands of everyone else doesn’t help.

paulmdoro said:
If you are Lou Dobbs though, and illegal immigration is the issue you are most passionate about, wouldn’t you check on the legal status of people working for you? Or at least have someone else check for you? It’s hard to practice what you preach.

You are making the same moronic argument left wingnuts are making with the Meg Whitman issue. You are saying Dobbs should investigate the employee records of the stable. It is up to ICE the investigate the business. Government gets enough of our tax dollars. They should do their job.

Iris said:
The gajillionth examle of right wing hypocrisy
Now we prepare for all the excuses of why he didn’t know
and how it wasn’t his fault blah blah blah
Apparently VRWCCM started it here already…ITS VERMONTS FAULT!!!!

The hypocrisy argument is ludicrous. The INS routinely puts pressure on Southern California racetracks. They do not bother the horse owners. Most horse owners have contact with the jockey and trainer. They do concern themselves that shovel the crap. They shouldn’t be. What makes Vermont stables immune to INS raids?

paulmdoro said:
So he has absolutely no responsibility to check on the legal status of people working directly for him?

No he does not because they are not working directly for him. They are working for the contractor who was hired by Dobbs. With your logic I should investigate cleaning crews of businesses I buy from because they might employ illegal immigrants?

It is not my job to check the legal statuses of a businesses workers, it is the employers job. I am not in law enforcement nor am I an employer so I do not have permission to.

Also if Dobbs went around and asked for papers La Raza, NAACP, and every other lib group would go nuts.

Z_man723 said:
They are working for the contractor who was hired by Dobbs. With your logic I should investigate cleaning crews of businesses I buy from because they might employ illegal immigrants?

It is not my job to check the legal statuses of a businesses workers, it is the employers job.

except

Dobbs had previously called employers “ridiculous” for saying that they should not be held accountable for the people their contractors hired

paulmdoro said:
Or maybe he’s just a raging hypocrite.

Or maybe he is not. Is there any proof–ANY–that Mr. Dobbs knowingly hired criminal aliens to work for him? If there is, or if such proof is revealed, Mr. Dobbs has a serious–SERIOUS–credibility problem. As it stands now, all we have are accusations from Keith Overbite, and a host of liberal minions.

If it is later revealed that Mr. Dobbs is proven innocent of these charges, who will lead the campaign to apologize to him? Would that be Mr. Olbermann? Would that be YOU? And if an apology is offered, just what do you think that apology would look like? Would it be a 3 word sentence uttered in passing as the credits are rolling and the theme music is being potted up?

I cannot speak for or against Mr. Dobbs on this matter, but if he is guilty of hiring criminal aliens, I hope he is prosecuted in accordance with the law. As for Mr. -0bama–AND his predecessor!–I believe they, too, must be made to answer for their failure to secure the borders and for failing to deport known criminal aliens from this country.

Where is Mediaite’s follow up to this story? There’s no dispute that Mediaite sometimes has an article relating to recent broadcast on Fox News. I’ve seen articles written by Mediaite’s staff commenting something that happened on Bill O’Reilly’s show within one hour after it was first broadcast. Today Mediaite made an exception to their regular modus operandi. It so happens the O’Reilly Factor had Lou Dobbs on his show today discussing The Nation article that accused Dobbs of hiring illegal aliens. O’Reilly and Dobbs discussed the situation and it showed I was right on in my analysis of the situation. And the piece de resistance Lou Dobbs played a clip from his radio show of him confronting The Nation’s Isabel McDonald on the article she wrote. Dobbs asked her flat out does she think that he (Dobbs) or anyone from his Dobbs group purposely and knowingly hire an illegal allien to work with his horses. McDonald was tongue tied. She could not give a straight answer. That shot the credibility of her article to shreds. She wrote her article not in the interest of good journalism, but to push an agenda by skewing the facts. Where’s the honesty in the Leftwing media and its Kool Aid Drinkers?

right-is-wrong said:
except

Dobbs had previously called employers “ridiculous” for saying that they should not be held accountable for the people their contractors hired

There’s no except. The employer was the sub-contractor not Dobbs.

VRWC Destruction Machine said:
Where is Mediaite’s follow up to this story? There’s no dispute that Mediaite sometimes has an article relating to recent broadcast on Fox News. I’ve seen articles written by Mediaite’s staff commenting something that happened on Bill O’Reilly’s show within one hour after it was first broadcast. Today Mediaite made an exception to their regular modus operandi. It so happens the O’Reilly Factor had Lou Dobbs on his show today discussing The Nation article that accused Dobbs of hiring illegal aliens. O’Reilly and Dobbs discussed the situation and it showed I was right on in my analysis of the situation. And the piece de resistance Lou Dobbs played a clip from his radio show of him confronting The Nation’s Isabel McDonald on the article she wrote. Dobbs asked her flat out does she think that he (Dobbs) or anyone from his Dobbs group purposely and knowingly hire an illegal allien to work with his horses. McDonald was tongue tied. She could not give a straight answer. That shot the credibility of her article to shreds. She wrote her article not in the interest of good journalism, but to push an agenda by skewing the facts. Where’s the honesty in the Leftwing media and its Kool Aid Drinkers?

Bottom line: if you’re a talking head saying the essence of the immigration issue is employers who hire illegals, the best way to get illegals to do you dirty work is to go through a middle-man you can demonize, just like Meg Whitman did. Great political strategy. But dishonest, lazy and hypocritical as FUCK.

Z_man723 said:
With your logic I should investigate cleaning crews of businesses I buy from because they might employ illegal immigrants?

YES. If you’re so passionate about illegal immigration, instead of screaming at politicians to do something about it, you should put your money where your big mouth is and do you own research. Sheesh! Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Have we become a nation of lazy whiners? (Apparently so!) If you’re passionate about something, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT or keep your big mouth shut.