The code can only be deciphered by the pure of heart , so most lefties will never get it . If Big Eddie was not the prince he is , he might say Milbank is a garbage barge of a nasty carbuncle of a ” man” . But Big Ed don’t indulge in that lefty jive .

Beck talks about the basic fundamentals of Christianity, that most Christians recognize, nothing more.

It seems the Left is bigoted towards mormons big time.

MSNBC hosts, Bill Press, Milbank, Stephanie Miller , several posters on this site to name a few.

I expect TIME to release the next cover –” Does America have Mormonphobia ?”

Communist, socialist, communists, communists; socialists, socialists, socialists; communists, communists, communists; communists; communists, socialists, communists. See the pattern.

No, this is all wrong. Glenn Beck is not speaking in some secret Mormon code, no, he’s obviously speaking in an obscure moron dialect that can be traced back to bullshit. Now, tea-baggers, it is said can and do appreciate bullshit which is good for Glenn because he just makes it up as he goes and they are just thrilled to nod and smile.

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Glynnis, the only thing I’m sure is that you haven’t a clue what language Glenn Beck is speaking.
Don’t know where you attended college, but I’m sure you got at least an A- in techniques of “political indoctrination”.

murf said:
Beck talks about the basic fundamentals of Christianity, that most Christians recognize, nothing more. It seems the Left is bigoted towards mormons big time. MSNBC hosts, Bill Press, Milbank, Stephanie Miller , several posters on this site to name a few. I expect TIME to release the next cover –” Does America have Mormonphobia ?”

Learn more about Mormonism and their “code words”. Then let’s have this conversation, murf. Heck, watch “8: The Mormon Proposition” to learn about how “code words” were used to mobilize LDS people for the California proposition 8.

LEFTIES bigoted against Mo people? Um, try evangelical Christians who do not consider Mormons to be true Christians.

Or rational people who know enough Joseph Smith, the Book of Abraham, etc.

Arkansas Steve said:
Glynnis, the only thing I’m sure is that you haven’t a clue what language Glenn Beck is speaking.
Don’t know where you attended college, but I’m sure you got at least an A- in techniques of “political indoctrination”.

Arkansas – attacking the messenger is a sure sign of a loser. Then again, you ARE a tea-bagger. Never mind.

How can 1.4% of the total population overthrow the country when 0.6% of the population has already instated Sharia Law?

Glynnis MacNicol said:
The evidence is hanging by a thread, as it were.

And all this time I thought Beck was just speaking in plain old apocalyptic language! Who knew. Also, why does it matter? Is anyone actually worried that the Mormon population (1.4% of the entire population) is going to rise up and overthrow the country? Probably not. Then again, as Milbank points out, many Christians “malign [Mormomism] as a cult” so perhaps this revelation is supposed to make all his non-Mormon Christian viewers — who presumably were not previously aware of the secret code — nervous, or resentful, or both.

Well Glynnis.

They yell daily for more stories they like, and you bring them over the weekend with no thanks.

They yell daily for less “left” bias, and you bring them this critique win no thanks.

Its a thankless job, but keep up the good work.

Ted- said:
No, this is all wrong. Glenn Beck is not speaking in some secret Mormon code, no, he’s obviously speaking in an obscure moron dialect that can be traced back to bullshit. Now, tea-baggers, it is said can and do appreciate bullshit which is good for Glenn because he just makes it up as he goes and they are just thrilled to nod and smile.

Inside Extreme for a limited time only – $9.95 plus a “We’re going to Die Tomorrow and This Time I Mean it!!” T-shirt – while supplies last

Thanks for the idea; I got to start printing up those t-shirts and sell them at the Keep Fear Alive Rally.

For all you goldline customers and extreme insiders I’m really not sure SUCKER! is a code word

I acftually posted the following link in a comment to this site several months ago and I posted it earlier in response to another blog’s pointer toward the Milbank excerpt, but in case anyone is interested in the subject and can’t wait for the new book, I’m going to violate my own rule and repeat a link to an informative, multi-screen Boston Phoenix piece from last year.

Glynnis I luv ya!

But you either wrote this ‘tongue in cheek’ OR you really have to get out of Manhattan more often.

For a recent convert to the Church of Latter Day Saints, Mr. Beck sure must have learned their ‘secret code’ quickly.

Murf is speaking truth when he mentions the bias against Mormons held by a lot of leftists and progressives. Just read comments to any Salon article about Beck (Joan Walsh is the go-to source for these) and you usually can’t make it to the end before some fool makes the claim that Beck is a Mormon, that Mormons aren’t ‘true Christians’, that Mormons don’t treat their women fairly, etc. etc. It’s really disgusting that the same people who preach acceptance and equivocal treatment of people who practice Islam will, in the next breath, offer bigoted comments about Mormons. Quite often, the idiots can’t even spell ‘Mormon’ correctly.

This ridiculous conclusion extrapolated from a single line of text, indicates to me that it’s Millbank’s journalistic credibility that is hanging by the proverbial thread.

Thelonious Funk said:
How can 1.4% of the total population overthrow the country when 0.6% of the population has already instated Sharia Law?

LMFAO!!

Oh, great. Another language. And I was just figuring out those English/Spanish buttons on the ATM.

Big Eddie said:
The code can only be deciphered by the pure of heart , so most lefties will never get it . If Big Eddie was not the prince he is , he might say Milbank is a garbage barge of a nasty carbuncle of a ” man” . But Big Ed don’t indulge in that lefty jive .

Awh, c’mon, Big Eddie. Little Ceasar would be hanging you by your thumbs if he were still alive.

Yoda002 said:
Thanks for the idea; I got to start printing up those t-shirts and sell them at the Keep Fear Alive Rally.

You could actually quote any of the tea-baggers on this thread and put it on a tea-shirt; no one would believe it. Having said that, go for it and good luck.

murf said:
Beck talks about the basic fundamentals of Christianity, that most Christians recognize, nothing more. It seems the Left is bigoted towards mormons big time. MSNBC hosts, Bill Press, Milbank, Stephanie Miller , several posters on this site to name a few. I expect TIME to release the next cover –” Does America have Mormonphobia ?”

Let’s see, one writer makes these comments, and you castigate all the Left. In fact, it was a large number of right wingers who did not vote for Mitt Romney, simply because he was Mormon.

Another example of attacking the messenger by people afraid to debate the message.

Arkansas Steve said:
Glynnis, the only thing I’m sure is that you haven’t a clue what language Glenn Beck is speaking.Don’t know where you attended college, but I’m sure you got at least an A- in techniques of “political indoctrination”.

Arkansas Stevie, I didn’t know where you got the idea that you knew what Mr. Beck was speaking. I don’t know what college you attended (or if you graduated), but I’m sure you got at least an A- in techniques of mind-reading.

murf said:
Beck talks about the basic fundamentals of Christianity, that most Christians recognize, nothing more.

It seems the Left is bigoted towards mormons big time.

Gosh, no! I mean maybe I’m wrong, I’m just asking a question.

I mean , it seems like he’s talking about Christian principles but maybe it’s just a cover for what he really means which is the secret Mormon code written in those other scriptures , which, are not the Bible and a grave grave perversion of the gospel. Some have even called it a cult or demonic. Like these Bible Believers But, if I’m wrong , well. just do the research and check for yourself.

felixw said:
Another example of attacking the messenger by people afraid to debate the message.

Another example of gibberish.

Milbank’s still miffed about not being inducted into the JournoList cabal and its attendant free talking points from lurkers who would prefer to stay anonymous.

baby gerald said:
Mormons aren’t ‘true Christians’, that Mormons don’t treat their women fairly, etc. etc.

You really hit the nail on the head. The Evangelical Christians who preach that Mormons aren’t true Christians will really hate you!!!

Arkansas Steve said:
Glynnis, the only thing I’m sure is that you haven’t a clue what language Glenn Beck is speaking.
Don’t know where you attended college, but I’m sure you got at least an A- in techniques of “political indoctrination”.

It’s right there in the Mormon scriptures man. Well what they call scriptures. I mean it’s not the Bible but they’ve got their own scriptures that are also God’s word. In fact Joseph Smith even wrote his own version of the Bible called the Inspired Version , because evidently the Bible everyone else uses had a bunch of stuff missing and God told him to fix it.

Personally, I don’t disparage another’s religion because I frankly only know mine. I suspect those smearing the Mormon religion haven’t actually done their own research, but are relying on the testimony of mormon haters. That’s too bad.

Mormonism is an interesting religion, and I am sure that Mr. Beck sees the USA through its eyes. Nothing outrages here. I have heard him make a number of assertions that most of main stream Christianity don’t subscribe to. Perhaps he is the John the Baptist to Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign.

avoidswork said:
Learn more about Mormonism and their “code words”. Then let’s have this conversation, murf. Heck, watch “8: The Mormon Proposition” to learn about how “code words” were used to mobilize LDS people for the California proposition 8.

Hey avoideswork, BOO! :)

I think that people here are forgetting that n fact, it was a large number of right wingers who did not vote for Mitt Romney during the last Republican primary, simply because he was Mormon.

yeah exile just spent the day defending letting dogs and cats burn in a house fire because the guy didn’t pay 75 bucks and why we shouldn’t be compassionate to suffering. Thats some religion you ex ile has

alamo2 said:
I think that people here are forgetting that n fact, it was a large number of right wingers who did not vote for Mitt Romney during the last Republican primary, simply because he was Mormon.

Oops, two thumbs down! Guess there are a couple of people who forgot!

As an ex-Mormon, born to a Mormon family, schooled in a quite suburbia, educated in a university, and former Mormon priesthood holder, sunday school teacher, youth leader, and all the rest, there is definitely a lot to be said for Mormon prophecy and other scripture being the force of what Beck must account for himself as the primary force of his words. If you go back several years to when Orin Hatch last made his more serious attempt at a run for the Presidency, you will find him using the exact same “hanging by a thread” phrase along with the other language that surrounds the Mormon concept of themselves as the eventual saviors of the Constitution of the U.S.

I think it is more to the point to keep in mind that Beck is not well educated and reads book like those of his level do. He flips and flops and sees connections that don’t really exist and misses the most obvious, most relevant, most cogent ones that there are to see.

Obviously the headline grabbing phrase “secret Mormon code” takes things a bit to far. Or maybe I forget how entirely wacky normative Mormon beliefs really are when a certain light is shined on them. That is certainly possible. However, I think what we have is really a simple case in which a man with a newfound addiction to dogmatic religion as a platform on which to run his mouth is merely doing it. Beck is a clown.

And while I am certain that on occasion he actually does see himself as blowing a dog whistle when he uses this or that Mormon phrase or Mormon-centered innuendo or inflection, I believe that all we are really seeing is a boy playing with matches, trying to figure out how dangerous a magnifying glass and a summer sun really can be, and whether it is true that if you stare at the sun too long (or masturbate, or whatever) that you will go blind. I think it would be a mistake to impugn much intention to anything he does beyond putting on a show and exploring the superstitious recesses of the human mind.

Iris, you appear to be an angry, bitter woman. If you had read what I actually wrote on the previously thread, you would know that I think it’s actually the job of the individual, including their church to help their neighbor. And my does. We don’t rely on the gov’t for assistance. I don’t expect your pea-sized brain to be able to comprehend that though after reading your posts today. I issue you a challenge to write one post that doesn’t include the words, cat or dog. Good luck!

baby gerald said:
For a recent convert to the Church of Latter Day Saints, Mr. Beck sure must have learned their ’secret code’ quickly.

Murf is speaking truth when he mentions the bias against Mormons held by a lot of leftists and progressives. Just read comments to any Salon article about Beck (Joan Walsh is the go-to source for these) and you usually can’t make it to the end before some fool makes the claim that Beck is a Mormon, that Mormons aren’t ‘true Christians’, that Mormons don’t treat their women fairly, etc. etc. It’s really disgusting that the same people who preach acceptance and equivocal treatment of people who practice Islam will, in the next breath, offer bigoted comments about Mormons. Quite often, the idiots can’t even spell ‘Mormon’ correctly.

This ridiculous conclusion extrapolated from a single line of text, indicates to me that it’s Millbank’s journalistic credibility that is hanging by the proverbial thread.

You ought to check out how many Conservative Christians think that Mormonism is a cult and not Christianity,

http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Mormons.html

http://mormoncult.org/

http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html

Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/mormon.htm

and the list goes on.

Do you have any examples of the left picking on Mormonism in particular? My guess is most people on the left support anyone’s right to worship aw they choose. Beck didn’t seem to hesitate to call black liberation theology a grave perversion while he was speaking in Mormon code.

Ted- said:
Another example of gibberish.

You should know. You haven’t made a single intelligent comment on this site since the beginning of time.

felixw said:
You should know. You haven’t made a single intelligent comment on this site since the beginning of time.

You’re an idiot.

CosmosDan said:
You ought to check out how many Conservative Christians think that Mormonism is a cult and not Christianity,

Are you a Christian, by chance?

This site and this Blogger have BDS and if you disagree, well , someone will probably blow up school children.

CosmosDan said:
You ought to check out how many Conservative Christians think that Mormonism is a cult and not Christianity, http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Mormons.html http://mormoncult.org/ http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation. http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/mormon.htm and the list goes on. Do you have any examples of the left picking on Mormonism in particular? My guess is most people on the left support anyone’s right to worship aw they choose. Beck didn’t seem to hesitate to call black liberation theology a grave perversion while he was speaking in Mormon code.

Thanks Dan, you proved my point earlier, about the right wingers who doomed Mitt Romney’s campaign by not voting for him because he was Mormon.

Cancon2 said:
This site and this Blogger have BDS and if you disagree, well , someone will probably blow up school children.

You are really a very sick, demented person, to put such disgusting trash here. People are blogging about religion, and you talk about violence to children. Wow……

exiledtruther said:
Personally, I don’t disparage another’s religion because I frankly only know mine. I suspect those smearing the Mormon religion haven’t actually done their own research, but are relying on the testimony of mormon haters. That’s too bad.

Are they disparaging Mormonism by asking questions about itand pointing out uniquely Mormon scripture?

How do you feel about Beck disparaging other people’s religion?

Mormon-speak for sure. His rhetoric is very Birch-er. Now deceased Mormon Pres. (prophet) Ezra T Benson was big into Birch Society.

Ted- said:
You’re an idiot.

That is a typical statement from you. Do you think that insults are profound policy statements? This is why no one takes you seriously. You have no ideas. You have no facts. You just spew out garbage like a backed up sewer. And it started to stink a long time ago.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Are you a Christian, by chance?

And why does this matter to you? By the way, I am a Christian, and very active in my church.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Are you a Christian, by chance?

Why would that matter?

felixw said:
That is a typical statement from you. Do you think that insults are profound policy statements? This is why no one takes you seriously. You have no ideas. You have no facts. You just spew out garbage like a backed up sewer. And it started to stink a long time ago.

You/re still an idiot.

CosmosDan said:
Do you have any examples of the left picking on Mormonism in particular? My guess is most people on the left support anyone’s right to worship aw they choose. Beck didn’t seem to hesitate to call black liberation theology a grave perversion while he was speaking in Mormon code.

I give you one how about a newly hired MSNBC host ?

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2007/12/confessions_of.html

I see exile didn’t deny defending the the burning of the cat and dogs in the house fire that could have been avoided with a little compassion. Maybe her religion has something to do with sacrificing of animals
(I can’t help but say “her” cause she sounds and comments just like MichelleF)

Mr.Papshmer said:
Hey avoideswork, BOO! :)

BOO! back. Notice the shocking lack of refutation, btw, especially at something not directed at you.

What’s your deal? Vote Yes on Prop 8? An LDS? FLDS? Mad that your last name reads like “pap smear”?

I haven’t said anything untrue regarding Mormon use of code words. And, as others have posted, some Christians do not consider the Church of LDS a Christian church. Not an invention of “lefties”.

I don’t believe in any Supernatural, but the LDS history (and it’s disgusting branching out into FLDS territory) makes it hard to believe in its doctorine. Especially when researching its history. Or, it’s anti-African stance until the 70s. Or polygamous background (pick a time). Or their secretive nature. Or…

I love all of your progressives. You talk incessantly about how Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity have no credibility and that no one watches or listens to them, but Palin has been a front page story EVERY day on the Huffington Post for 2 years. This site is like a Glenn Beck recap show, and the others are regularly featured.

I guess maybe they do have some impact. You will find out in a few weeks, when you have to go back underground for the next 50 years.

“Report: Glenn Beck Is Speaking In Secret Mormon Code”

Another name for it is “English”.

musiccityvic said:
I love all of your progressives. You talk incessantly about how Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity have no credibility and that no one watches or listens to them, but Palin has been a front page story EVERY day on the Huffington Post for 2 years. This site is like a Glenn Beck recap show, and the others are regularly featured. I guess maybe they do have some impact. You will find out in a few weeks, when you have to go back underground for the next 50 years.

Ahh, Vic, the gift that keeps on giving! I love your rants, your generalities, and your wild exxagerations! Fantastic, Vic. Keep ‘em coming!

alamo2 said:
Thanks Dan, you proved my point earlier, about the right wingers who doomed Mitt Romney’s campaign by not voting for him because he was Mormon.

right. People are willing to ignore it as long as Beck’s political message is to their liking. Now that’s he has resorted to more God speak he’s got to own it, or not.

alamo2 said:
And why does this matter to you? By the way, I am a Christian, and very active in my church.

Wow, I mention that I’m a Christian, and I get a thumbs down! Those righties are at it again!

Azarkhan said:
“Report: Glenn Beck Is Speaking In Secret Mormon Code”

Another name for it is “English”.

That doesn’t make any sense, Most of you tea-baggers don’t speak English.

alamo2 says:
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Cancon2 said:
This site and this Blogger have BDS and if you disagree, well , someone will probably blow up school children.

You are really a very sick, demented person, to put such disgusting trash here. People are blogging about religion, and you talk about violence to children. Wow

Oh really, this is a religious site? Mediaite, is a religious blogging site, well shit, sorry Alamo, I guess that whole Beck derangement thing that is going on here is too much to grasp as you would rather blather on about whether Christians don’t vote for Romney? And if you had any grasp of the news you dolt, you would know that this was a reference to the 10:10 film recently released. Now, continue with your Bullshit crusade.

CosmosDan said:
Why would that matter?

Because if you’re a non-Mormon Christian, than it would be logical for you to dump on Mormonism, as they believe things completely out of mainstream Christianity. If you’re not a Christian, then it would follow that you don’t believe in Christ, which would lead a reasonable person to conclude that you think that Christians are misguided fools for believing what they do. Therefore, why should it matter, and why should anyone care, what non-Mormon Christians think about Mormons?

I’ve been trying to figure out what this guy Beck is about for many months now, if only to understand what this madness is that’s gripping the nation. How can anyone in their right mind take him seriously. It’s very difficult to watch him on TV-I can only handle his program for one commercial break before I turn it off in total revulsion. It’s probably good that a responsible journalist like Dana Milbank has delved into what this phenomenon is about. My feeling is that he represents a nascent fascism that’s been creeping into our culture over the years. Fascism didn’t die with Hitler, it just got pushed out of Europe at the end of World War II and transported across the Atlantic. Under the cloak of ‘protecting’ the Constitution and a bigtime revival of nativism/patriotism, Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, the Teabaggers backed by the most backward of the kleptomaniacs (Koch Brothers, Richard Mello Scaife, et.al) and under the baton of Rupert Murdoch, have taken the current economic crisis and are attempting some type of coup. I can’t believe I’m writing this, but it is definitely in the realm of possibility. Classical fascism is when corporations and governments collude to take power and overrule the will of the majority solely for the gain of the corporations. Hitler was much too clever to be used by the rightwing German industrialists whjo financed his movement, and quickly co-opted them, and the rest is bloody history. Of course, fascists are not socialists or liberals. Obama is not a fascist, but he may be a middle of the road social democrat in the mold of those awful European social democrats. The first groups to be eliminated by Hitler were the communists and the social democrats, and then they went to work on the Jews and everyone who opposed them. We’re not in Germany and this isn’t 1933, although we are in a time of economic distress. Beck is not Hitler, he’s just as he says, a rodeo clown, maybe more like a pied piper ‘hypnotizing’ ordinary people who have lost faith in themselves and our country and are willing to follow a fool. People who have, for the most part, never been involved in politics but who are suddenly very angry and upset because of the bad economy, and the fact that we have a black president who is really trying to help most of us, and is making slow progress despite a wall of oppostion. The Mormons are decent people, just as the Muslims are, but they are extremely conservative and have some strange ideas about religion that has been shaped by their history and living in a sparsely populated, isolated part of the world. I would imagine that Mormons are beginning to wonder if Beck is good for their image. The rightwing has no program at all to help the majority of people in this country and they certainly have not helped the middle class which is most of us. The irrationality that I see on this website coming mostly from the right is an indication of the mess we’re in. However, as the rightwing continues to overplay its hand, I think there’s a good chance that the Democrats are not facing a bloodbath in November. We may have Glenn Beck and many of the outrageous Teabag Party candidates to thank for finally bringing an end to this craziness.

avoidswork said:
What’s your deal? Vote Yes on Prop 8? An LDS? FLDS?

Boo!

exiledtruther said:
Personally, I don’t disparage another’s religion because I frankly only know mine. I suspect those smearing the Mormon religion haven’t actually done their own research, but are relying on the testimony of mormon haters. That’s too bad.

Oh, really? Because one may not be pro-Mormon either makes them a hater or not knowledgeable about the history of the LDS and its doctorines?

What would you like to discuss first?

Adam-God?
Book of Abraham?
Lamanites descended from Native Americans? (and the mitochondrial DNA to debunk that)
Joseph Smith prophecies?
Pearl of Great Price?
African Americans and curse of Ham? (Canaanites)

Personally, my decoder ring has been deciphering Mediate headlines for the last year and it tells me that Mediate is actually the notice board for a group of Muslim Scientologists who are plotting the takeover of FOX in order to turn Conservatives into supporters of Sharia Law in the US in order to protect the US from the Progressives.

Cancon2 said:
And if you had any grasp of the news you dolt, you would know that this was a reference to the 10:10 film recently released. Now, continue with your Bullshit crusade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfnddMpzPsM

murf said:
Beck talks about the basic fundamentals of Christianity, that most Christians recognize, nothing more.

It seems the Left is bigoted towards mormons big time.

MSNBC hosts, Bill Press, Milbank, Stephanie Miller , several posters on this site to name a few.

I expect TIME to release the next cover –” Does America have Mormonphobia ?”

Mormons aren’t really Christians because they believe in additional doctrines.

Tears of a Clown: Glenn Beck and the Tea Bagging of America [Hardcover]
Dana Milbank (Author) Publisher: Doubleday (October 5, 2010)

List Price: $24.95
Amazon Price: $16.47

Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #736 in Books

Off to a roaring start eh?

Cancon2 said:
alamo2 says:October 5, 2010 at 7:56 pm alamo2(Quote)0 1Cancon2 said:This site and this Blogger have BDS and if you disagree, well , someone will probably blow up school children. You are really a very sick, demented person, to put such disgusting trash here. People are blogging about religion, and you talk about violence to children. Wow Oh really, this is a religious site? Mediaite, is a religious blogging site, well shit, sorry Alamo, I guess that whole Beck derangement thing that is going on here is too much to grasp as you would rather blather on about whether Christians don’t vote for Romney? And if you had any grasp of the news you dolt, you would know that this was a reference to the 10:10 film recently released. Now, continue with your Bullshit crusade.

Wow, nice language, ace. And I did not say that this was a religious site. I said we were discussing religion (that is why most people here “blather” on about Romney, who happens to be Mormon, and thus is part of the discussion), and you brought up violence to children in a not too humorous fashion. Good thing you capitalized Bulls$$t. or your friends would not have found it. I am very impressed with your use of insults.

avoidswork said:
Oh, really? Because one may not be pro-Mormon either makes them a hater or not knowledgeable about the history of the LDS and its doctorines?

What would you like to discuss first?

Adam-God?
Book of Abraham?
Lamanites descended from Native Americans? (and the mitochondrial DNA to debunk that)
Joseph Smith prophecies?
Pearl of Great Price?
African Americans and curse of Ham? (Canaanites)

Their entire doctrine is racist and unbelievable. “God is angry so I can’t translate from the old book, but I CAN translate from a similar one”

murf said:
I give you one how about a newly hired MSNBC host ? http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2007/12/confessions_of.html

Except that what O’Donnell said is true:

(1) Joseph Smith WAS a crook/criminal (he had to flee);
(2) JS coerced women into having sex (hence, rapist).

Your turn to refudiate, Murf.

alamo2 said:
Wow, I mention that I’m a Christian, and I get a thumbs down! Those righties are at it again!

You’re a liberal, their hate doesn’t allow them to look at substance, they recognize your name and go into frenzy.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Mormons aren’t really Christians because they believe in additional doctrines.

That’s great, but it doesn’t change the fact that Beck TALKS about basic Christian values.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Because if you’re a non-Mormon Christian, than it would be logical for you to dump on Mormonism, as they believe things completely out of mainstream Christianity. If you’re not a Christian, then it would follow that you don’t believe in Christ, which would lead a reasonable person to conclude that you think that Christians are misguided fools for believing what they do. Therefore, why should it matter, and why should anyone care, what non-Mormon Christians think about Mormons?

I am a Christian, but I am not a Mormon. And I do not dump on Mormonish, so your comment is not logical. My boss at my last job was a Mormon, and we had many intelligent discussions about religion.

murf said:
That’s great, but it doesn’t change the fact that Beck TALKS about basic Christian values.

No, if you listen beck speaks from an pro-colonial mormon psychological standpoint that he got from his father.

Parody aside, that’s like a an atheist talking about islam. You would just as soon dismiss him for that reason.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Mormons aren’t really Christians because they believe in additional doctrines.

Are you referring to the revelations passage?

The Book of Revelations, Chapter 22, verse 19 says:
“And if any man shall take away from the words of THIS BOOK, God shall take away his part of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”P>

Question:

Do you liberals think that a very hardcore like Christian Sarah Palin , and all the evangelical pastors on his show, would be endorsing Glenn is they thought he was secretly passing Mormon code ?

puck30 said:
Tears of a Clown: Glenn Beck and the Tea Bagging of America [Hardcover]Dana Milbank (Author) Publisher: Doubleday (October 5, 2010) List Price: $24.95Amazon Price: $16.47 Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #736 in Books Off to a roaring start eh?

Herman Mehlville’s “Moby Dick” was a monumental failure during his lifetime. Scott Fitzgerald’s “The Great Gatsby” failed to make any best seller list. What’s your point?

alamo2 said:
I am a Christian, but I am not a Mormon. And I do not dump on Mormonish, so your comment is not logical. My boss at my last job was a Mormon, and we had many intelligent discussions about religion.

I do!!!! I dump on a religion that claims to be christian but isn’t, was based on the words of a fool and believes that i am cursed due to my skin color. For gods sake, the bible rails against slavery in many places but they say I can only get into heaven AS A SLAVE?! I’ll dump on them till the sun comes up.

murf said:
Question:

Do you liberals think that a very hardcore like Christian Sarah Palin , and all the evangelical pastors on his show, would be endorsing Glenn is they thought he was secretly passing Mormon code ?

They don’t know anything about mormonism. Even if they did, they’d just make up some excuse.

Now Glynnis will take any announcement or contention of Beck and get energized as she does what she can to refute his claims. Yet here Dana Milbank is sounding like she is wearing a tin hat the size of which of which you see on the ladies of Churchill Downs during Derby Day, and manages a journalistic shrug. I mean honestly, if Beck said someone was speaking in a secret code she would be mainlining Red Bull as we were subjected to dozens of reports of his rantings and Rachael Maddow’s “brilliant” summations of his errors.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I do!!!! I dump on a religion that claims to be christian but isn’t, was based on the words of a fool and believes that i am cursed due to my skin color.

http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2002_Dispelling_the_Black_Myth.html

murf said:
Question: Do you liberals think that a very hardcore like Christian Sarah Palin , and all the evangelical pastors on his show, would be endorsing Glenn is they thought he was secretly passing Mormon code ?

Personally, I think the stuff about Beck and secret codes is kinda silly, down with the birther and truther stuff. I think many Evangelical pastors hold their nose (because of his religion) and cheer on Glenn Beck (because of his message). Honestly, I am not sure about Sarah Palin. And I sincerely mean that.

avoidswork said:
Except that what O’Donnell said is true:

(1) Joseph Smith WAS a crook/criminal (he had to flee);
(2) JS coerced women into having sex (hence, rapist).

Your turn to refudiate, Murf.

Seriously, though, why would anyone even give a crap? If Beck is busy sending code to a bunch of Mormons or not, who cares? For Christ’s sake, I can’t even imagine being so paranoid.

Ted- said:
You/re still an idiot.

You think by repeating an insult it becomes intelligent? Doesn’t work that way. Although you have tried it here. You deluge these articles with one empty-headed comment after another, perhaps on the assumption that a lot of idiocies add up to something smart. My apologies, but the more you say, the more obvious it is how intellectually challenged you are. Give us all a break and go back to your comic books and video games.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I do!!!! I dump on a religion that claims to be christian but isn’t, was based on the words of a fool and believes that i am cursed due to my skin color. For gods sake, the bible rails against slavery in many places but they say I can only get into heaven AS A SLAVE?! I’ll dump on them till the sun comes up.

We are on the same side, politically, but I do not believe that what Joseph Smith (and Brigham Young) came up with in terms of African Americans or women is what Mormons today believe. Yes, they are very conservative, but they do great works with their missions. So jumping on them till the sun comes up is a tad extreme.

Calvin said:
http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2002_Dispelling_the_Black_Myth.html

That person should read their doctrine more:
The mark of blackness was placed upon the Lamanites so the Nephites “might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions which would prove their destruction” Alma 3:7-9
Key there being “mark of blackness”

felixw said:
You think by repeating an insult it becomes intelligent? Doesn’t work that way. Although you have tried it here. You deluge these articles with one empty-headed comment after another, perhaps on the assumption that a lot of idiocies add up to something smart. My apologies, but the more you say, the more obvious it is how intellectually challenged you are. Give us all a break and go back to your comic books and video games.

Sorry Felix – but you are still an idiot, and an exemplary one at that. It would be difficult to top your stupid, but I’m sure you’ll keep trying.

alamo2 said:
We are on the same side, politically, but I do not believe that what Joseph Smith (and Brigham Young) came up with in terms of African Americans or women is what Mormons today believe. Yes, they are very conservative, but they do great works with their missions. So jumping on them till the sun comes up is a tad extreme.

I can understand that, but I will use the same logic that they use against President Obama: They do not distance themselves from it.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
They don’t know anything about mormonism. Even if they did, they’d just make up some excuse.

That is ridiculous , most Christian pastors , know ALOT about the other denominations .

felixw said:
You think by repeating an insult it becomes intelligent? Doesn’t work that way. Although you have tried it here. You deluge these articles with one empty-headed comment after another, perhaps on the assumption that a lot of idiocies add up to something smart. My apologies, but the more you say, the more obvious it is how intellectually challenged you are. Give us all a break and go back to your comic books and video games.

Pot calling the kettle black.

Calvin says:
October 5, 2010 at 8:22 pm Calvin(Quote)
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The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Mormons aren’t really Christians because they believe in additional doctrines.

Are you referring to the revelations passage?

The Book of Revelations, Chapter 22, verse 19 says:
“And if any man shall take away from the words of THIS BOOK, God shall take away his part of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”P>

The Bible as we know it, did not exist yet. John was refferring to the book that he had just written, the Book of Revelations.

@alamo2—-”Right wingers who doomed Mitt Romney’s campaign by not voting for him because he was Mormon”

Remember it was the right whingers ho helped vote him governor of Massachusetts in 2003. Maybe he lost the primary because of this.OnApril 12,2006 governor Mitt Romney signed the Massachusetts health care incurance reform law.

murf said:
That is ridiculous , most Christian pastors , know ALOT about the other denominations .

I guarantee if you quizzed any of the prominent Christian conservatives on mormonism they would know nothing of it. I guarantee that afterward they would make up excuses about the “gotcha” questions and the “lamestream media” as is their history.

alamo2 said:
I am a Christian, but I am not a Mormon. And I do not dump on Mormonish, so your comment is not logical. My boss at my last job was a Mormon, and we had many intelligent discussions about religion.

Okay, so since you think that Mormon’s are correct in their beliefs, even though you’re not one, then I apologize.

On a more serious note, however, I think you missed the point. No one says that Christians can’t have Mormon friends, or have cordial theological discussions with same. However, any good Christian, by definition, believes that Mormons are misguided and an offense to Christ. You may not overtly “dump” on Mormonism, but you know the story.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Pot calling the kettle black.

Ted- said:
Sorry Felix – but you are still an idiot, and an exemplary one at that. It would be difficult to top your stupid, but I’m sure you’ll keep trying.

You and Ted can continue with your babyish insults. It’s a waste of sensible person’s time to deal with you. I might as well engage in conversation with a fax machine. I would have a better chance of getting an intelligent response. Adios, my infants!

felixw said:
You and Ted can continue with your babyish insults. It’s a waste of sensible person’s time to deal with you. I might as well engage in conversation with a fax machine. I would have a better chance of getting an intelligent response. Adios, my infants!

Deflection

Calvin says:
October 5, 2010 at 8:26 pm Calvin(Quote)
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The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I do!!!! I dump on a religion that claims to be christian but isn’t, was based on the words of a fool and believes that i am cursed due to my skin color.

http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2002_Dispelling_the_Black_Myth.html

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
October 5, 2010 at 8:31 pm The_Reasonable_Lib(Quote)

Wow, you read this in 5 minutes?

ganymede said:
I’ve been trying to figure out what this guy Beck is about for many months now, if only to understand what this madness is that’s gripping the nation.

You’re on the right path here. I tried to figure the right wing out for a while now. I forget who did a study but they found that the liberals use a different part of their brain compared to the conservatives when shown a group of pictures. I think it goes back to when we were hunters and gathers. You had the greedy type that say I have to worry about feeding me and my family and sorry I can’t help you. The liberal type thought if we work together we can get more food.

The Righties see things in black and white. The Left sees things in grey scale. Even their shopping patterns are different. The right usually need a leader to follow. They tend to kiss ass to the person above them in the economic ladder and walk on the people underneath them. The right tend to have a teacher pet mentality, and tend to tattle on co-workers because they got to have that feeling of being rewarded and the need to get that feeling of approval.

A lot on the left see Beck and see fake, fake, fake. The right can’t see that.

To me one’s eschatology is an important thing to consider when deciding to follow or not. If you have 2 candidates, one believes that it is his job to enable Armageddon and hasting the coming of Christ, or the other Candidate who does not believe in a literal interpretation of the prophecies found in the Book of Revelation. Which one would you be inclined to vote for?

President Reagan once asked a little boy what he wanted to be, The little boy thought and replied, “I would like the earth to last long enough for me to be your age. ” President Reagan seemed to enjoy telling this cute story.

And to think I was ridiculed for calling Beckerhead’s konklave the Heresy Rally! Guess who was right? Again!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
That person should read their doctrine more:The mark of blackness was placed upon the Lamanites so the Nephites “might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions which would prove their destruction” Alma 3:7-9Key there being “mark of blackness”

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/review/?vol=15&num=2&id=508

Calvin said:
Calvin says:
October 5, 2010 at 8:26 pm Calvin(Quote)
1 1
The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I do!!!! I dump on a religion that claims to be christian but isn’t, was based on the words of a fool and believes that i am cursed due to my skin color.

http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2002_Dispelling_the_Black_Myth.html

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
October 5, 2010 at 8:31 pm The_Reasonable_Lib(Quote)

Wow, you read this in 5 minutes?

I read the area about the curse of cain, but that is not the only curse mentioned. That person neglects the lamanites and the “curse of blackness” which I just posted about.
If that wasn’t enough, it says that those who repent lose their black skin:
“their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites… and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites” 3 Nephi 2:15-16
The author neglected that.

felixw said:
You and Ted can continue with your babyish insults. It’s a waste of sensible person’s time to deal with you. I might as well engage in conversation with a fax machine. I would have a better chance of getting an intelligent response. Adios, my infants!

Very well then. You’re still an idiot and unfortunately, it looks like it’s permanent.

Calvin said:
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/review/?vol=15&num=2&id=508

I believe that my latter post gives a bit on info not included there as well.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I guarantee if you quizzed any of the prominent Christian conservatives on mormonism they would know nothing of it. I guarantee that afterward they would make up excuses about the “gotcha” questions and the “lamestream media” as is their history.

A ” Christian conservative ” might not know the ends and out of Mormonism, I’ll concede you that.

I’m referring to the Christian scholars , ministers , and historians that have been on Beck’s show. I’ll be willingly to bet most them are well versed in the mormon faith. I mentioned Palin who seems deeply religious , would know a fair amount too.

Ps. Beck was raised Catholic , married his wife and converted , 10 years ago. So he’s fairly new himself.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I read the area about the curse of cain, but that is not the only curse mentioned. That person neglects the lamanites and the “curse of blackness” which I just posted about.
If that wasn’t enough, it says that those who repent lose their black skin:
“their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites… and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites” 3 Nephi 2:15-16
The author neglected that.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Lamanites/Curse

murf said:
Ps. Beck was raised Catholic , married his wife and converted , 10 years ago. So he’s fairly new himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USpeolBTKIo

murf said:
I give you one how about a newly hired MSNBC host ?

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2007/12/confessions_of.html

That’s quite a rant alright. I found the video on You tube. He’s a little more argumentative but it reminds me somewhat of Beck going after Obama’s religion. I think was part of the point when someone remarked about a Mormon telling everybody what’s a perversion of Christianity and what isn’t. Personally, I don’t care. The odd doctrines of a particular denominations don’t really define a person’s character. However, if you feel free to denounce someone’s religion then yours is open to examination.

What is so amusing here is that the author of the article is using the same brand of logic that Beck uses in drawing conclusions from random facts.

musiccityvic said:
I love all of your progressives. You talk incessantly about how Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity have no credibility and that no one watches or listens to them, but Palin has been a front page story EVERY day on the Huffington Post for 2 years. This site is like a Glenn Beck recap show, and the others are regularly featured.

I guess maybe they do have some impact. You will find out in a few weeks, when you have to go back underground for the next 50 years.

Is that a prophecy?

alamo2 said:
Herman Mehlville’s “Moby Dick” was a monumental failure during his lifetime. Scott Fitzgerald’s “The Great Gatsby” failed to make any best seller list. What’s your point?

Herman Mehville? Scott Fitzgerald? Dana Milbank?

I really don’t think that 149 or so years from now people will be talking about the ‘great works’ of Dana Milbank.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Because if you’re a non-Mormon Christian, than it would be logical for you to dump on Mormonism, as they believe things completely out of mainstream Christianity. If you’re not a Christian, then it would follow that you don’t believe in Christ, which would lead a reasonable person to conclude that you think that Christians are misguided fools for believing what they do. Therefore, why should it matter, and why should anyone care, what non-Mormon Christians think about Mormons?

I’m afraid your reasoning is faulty. There are a huge number of possibilities other than the ones you mention.

The point of the HuffPo article IMO is to use Becks own illogical brand of logic on him, and take facts that don’t necessarily have any connection , and create a connection out of thin air and make it sound reasonable.

Calvin said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USpeolBTKIo

Thanks!
CosmosDan—The authors opinion is irrevelant. It was still a bigoted remarks on Lawrence’s part.

Later yall

murf said:
Question:

Do you liberals think that a very hardcore like Christian Sarah Palin , and all the evangelical pastors on his show, would be endorsing Glenn is they thought he was secretly passing Mormon code ?

No, He sure has fooled them hasn’t he?

My imaginary friend is bigger than your imaginary friend!

Oh, yeah?

Yeah!

No, MY imaginary friend is bigger than yours!

Oh, yeah?

Yeah!

No, MY… [rrrrriiiip!]

So tired of that old broken record. ;-)

puck30 said:
Herman Mehville? Scott Fitzgerald? Dana Milbank? I really don’t think that 149 or so years from now people will be talking about the ‘great works’ of Dana Milbank.

That’s the point. You don’t know. Nor does anyone else.

alamo2 said:
Personally, I think the stuff about Beck and secret codes is kinda silly, down with the birther and truther stuff. I think many Evangelical pastors hold their nose (because of his religion) and cheer on Glenn Beck (because of his message). Honestly, I am not sure about Sarah Palin. And I sincerely mean that.

I think the larger point here is the way that “logic” is used {abused}. It’s pretty much spot on to the way Beck hobbles facts together filled with all kinds of guess work to reach some conclusion that may superficially appear
reasonable and supported by facts, but is really just an affront to actual logic.

CosmosDan said:
No, He sure has fooled them hasn’t he?

Are you implying Beck is a genius ?

:^ )

felixw said:
You could actually quote any of the tea-baggers on this thread and put it on a tea-shirt; no one would believe it. Having said that, go for it and good luck.

says the drive by commentor.

right-is-wrong said:
says the drive by commentor.

No Touchy-Touchy ?

right-is-wrong said:
felixw said:
You could actually quote any of the tea-baggers on this thread and put it on a tea-shirt; no one would believe it. Having said that, go for it and good luck.

says the drive by commentor.

Felix didn’t say that Dumbass Ted did. Pay attention!

murf said:
right-is-wrong said:
says the drive by commentor.

No Touchy-Touchy ?

I think you are right, Murf.

Glynnis said:
Is anyone actually worried that the Mormon population (1.4% of the entire population) is going to rise up and overthrow the country?

Funny how you leave out Beck constantly shitting himself to tears on a weekly basis about how Athiests are ruining the country when our numbers are as low as the Mormons.

Shelly and nutso hurting your feelings to the point where you’ve jumped on the Snake Oil Salesman’s bandwagon?

“Glenn Beck Is Speaking In Secret Mormon Code”

Screw that,. I want to see him speak in tongues and roll around the floor……

Burnnotice said:
“Glenn Beck Is Speaking In Secret Mormon Code” Screw that,. I want to see him speak in tongues and roll around the floor……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FICNuQENI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVloHYiekl0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-D3ve6rpYc (skip to 2 minute mark)

Couldn’t find anything of him rolling around the floor, but this dude hit the floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQwGFDnIVeU

The voters are deciding — take a look:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-901.html

And check out the latest Gallup Poll, which indicates that the Republicans may win their largest victory since 1894. That’s right 1894.

And how does the Left respond? With babyish insults, ridicule and smears. God bless ‘em, but they honestly think that this election will turn on the witchcraft issue. They would have lost seats under any scenario, but by the pathetic manner in which they have run away from key issues, they will be on the receiving end of a whupping of historic proportions.

If you lived in Salt Lake awhile, Like I did for 5 yrs, you wouldn’t be laughing. America really is ignorant on what is going on with Mormons and they’d deny the crap to their dying breath. Polygamy is practiced openly. Basically the guy is married legally to one woman and the rest are legitimately considered “single parents” so they collect gov welfare, food stamps etc. They don’t celebrate July 4th like the rest of the country, they celebrate their own holiday, July 24th. Google the topic of how they have vaults hidden in mountains of names of dead people all over the world and how they secretly baptize dead people in their church. Sound weird and unbelievable? damn straight but it’s true. They may claim they don’t baptize dead people into christianity anymore, but they still do it. It is highly secret and they are sworn to secrecy about the topic but they all partake in it. They take the name of the dead person then they are dipped into a giant urn of holy water. You like doing research on your family tree? you like how you can do it for free? you know where that’s all coming from? the mormons.. they are the ones who keep track of people all over the world. They’re nuts, batshit crazy, and Beck is one of them.

The giant urns they dunk mormons into in the name of dead people all over the world, who did not give persmission for these baptisms.. changing jews to christian and so forth.. it’s disgusting.

http://www.templestudy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/baptistery2.jpg
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/temples/baptism.html
http://www.officialstreetpreachers.com/Mormonism/temple1.jpg

Beck is a lunatic and sane people should be concerned with his cult of simpletons

By the way Glynnis, as usual you’re a complete loon. As for the population of mormons, they still strictly believe in large families.. if you have 5 kids you’re looked down on for having such a small family. In 50 yrs you’d be singing a different tune. In SLC going to the mall on a tuesday at noon, you see 14 yr old girls, not in school, walking around pushing strollers with 2 kids in them and another one tagging along behind. As usual, you don’t know shit from bricks about what you’re talking about.

No, there is no secret conspiracy. You are starting to sound like Glenn Beck.

Glenn Beck’s theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

Those who would denigrate Glenn Beck’s religion, usually have an ulterior motive.

Mormons have a better understanding of Christianity than any other denomination, according to a 2010 Pew Forum poll:

http://www.pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-and-Practices/U-S-Religious-Knowledge-Survey.aspx

11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.

Calvin said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FICNuQENI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVloHYiekl0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-D3ve6rpYc (skip to 2 minute mark)

Couldn’t find anything of him rolling around the floor, but this dude hit the floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQwGFDnIVeU

LOL that is just to funny! Thanks…..

Burnnotice said:
LOL that is just to funny! Thanks…..

I can’t stop laughing now…LOL I have this picture of Beck barking like a dog playing over and over in my head….HA HA HA …..

ConLoonPatrol said:
If you lived in Salt Lake awhile, Like I did for 5 yrs, you wouldn’t be laughing. America really is ignorant on what is going on with Mormons and they’d deny the crap to their dying breath. Polygamy is practiced openly. Basically the guy is married legally to one woman and the rest are legitimately considered “single parents” so they collect gov welfare, food stamps etc. They don’t celebrate July 4th like the rest of the country, they celebrate their own holiday, July 24th. Google the topic of how they have vaults hidden in mountains of names of dead people all over the world and how they secretly baptize dead people in their church. Sound weird and unbelievable? damn straight but it’s true. They may claim they don’t baptize dead people into christianity anymore, but they still do it. It is highly secret and they are sworn to secrecy about the topic but they all partake in it. They take the name of the dead person then they are dipped into a giant urn of holy water. You like doing research on your family tree? you like how you can do it for free? you know where that’s all coming from? the mormons.. they are the ones who keep track of people all over the world. They’re nuts, batshit crazy, and Beck is one of them. The giant urns they dunk mormons into in the name of dead people all over the world, who did not give persmission for these baptisms.. changing jews to christian and so forth.. it’s disgusting. http://www.templestudy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/baptistery2.jpghttp://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/temples/baptism.htmlhttp://www.officialstreetpreachers.com/Mormonism/temple1.jpg Beck is a lunatic and sane people should be concerned with his cult of simpletons

Wow. You are sadly misinformed. First off, the “Mormons” you say are practicing polygamy are not the same Mormons that Glenn Beck goes to church with. The ones you’re thinking of are members of the FLDS church. http://www.utahstories.com/lds_flds_confusion.htm

I know you were talking about the FLDS church(even if you din’t know it), but mormons like Glenn Beck generally eschew any assistance from the government. Most mormons are fairly conservative.

Your claim to them not celebrating 4th of July is total BS. They celebrate it along with their own holiday, pioneer day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Day_(Utah)

Baptism for the dead by proxy is not a secret. They base it off the verse from Corinthians:

Corinthians chapter 15, verse 29 says:
Else what shall they do which are abaptized bfor the dead, if the dead crise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

…and this is mentioned in their scriptures as well. Hardly secret.

When they baptise the dead by proxy, it is their belief that it is up to the dead to accept this or not. So if people don’t like that their dead relative became a mormon, they’ll have to blame their dead relative for the choice they make.

You know, people might accept your BS easier if you omitted the foul language and the ad hominem attacks. …actually, probably not.

In this week’s commercial for Grey’s Anatomy on ABC, one of the characters says something to the effect of ‘Cristina’s career is hanging on by a thread.’ These secret Mormon messages are everywhere!

ConLoonPatrol said:
They don’t celebrate July 4th like the rest of the country, they celebrate their own holiday, July 24th.

Look I don’t like Mormonism much. I resigned my membership a few years ago. In point of fact, there are fundamentalist believers that hold strongly to the 19th century ideals of the church very strongly. And there are certainly pockets of “open” polygamy. But, you ridiculously overstate the case.

The fact is that Salt Lake City is fast becoming a “normal” city with a growing and energetic non-LDS population. And for the most part, everyone gets along. Some places are worse than others, but that is true all over the world. Salt Lake also has a very large GLBT community and has been called on more than one occasion the gayest city in east of San Francisco (see here, and elsewhere: http://www.chacha.com/question/what-are-the-top-five-gayest-cities-in-the-united-states).

Provo, Utah in fact hosts one of the largest Fourth of July festivals in the country (The Freedom Festival) and headlines major entertainment acts at one of the most spectacular fireworks shows in the country (Stadium of Fire) at the Brigham Young University’s football stadium. The 25th of July celebration held in the capital city is simply the equivalent of any Founders Day holiday in other parts of the country. They call it “Pioneer Day.”

Burnnotice said:
LOL that is just to funny! Thanks…..

Burnnotice said:
I can’t stop laughing now…LOL I have this picture of Beck barking like a dog playing over and over in my head….HA HA HA …..

Ha ha… no problem.

Don’t know if you’ll find these funny, but they’re from when he was way less serious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=036X6eRuXQU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRcCgN7UEe4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rispj0WvyA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZef6wiLeUs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCLmHai7Ymw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul9YGlapNiA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIZraMAVYA

Wow, I am way nostalgic about those days too post that many links. Too bad we’re going to hell in a handbasket. We’re stuck with Glenny Downer.

right-is-wrong said:
says the drive by commentor.

When you have to make up stuff I haven’t said, I can tell I am getting inside your head. I’ve taken a look and can attest that there is nothing inside. Nothing at all…..

murf said:
No Touchy-Touchy ?

Ding Ding Ding …. We have a winner !

Glynnis, great piece. I LOL’d.

The Real Royal King said:
That’s the point. You don’t know. Nor does anyone else.

Oh that silly man!

Tears of a Clown: Glenn Beck and the Tea Bagging of America
by Dana Milbank

Pub. Date: October 5, 2010

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My, my, Glenn Beck has such POWER over the poor Libocrats, Obamabots, and all the assorted nuts from the Loony Left. Go Glenn!! You have them running in circles, biting their tails. lol

Limbaugh, Palin, and Beck live in the libturd brain which is empty of any substance and has to ping off of conservative principles. Since libturds have no principles, pinging and ricocheting is all these demented and witless loons are able to do. They have no selves, but are simply part of their own imaginary collective, which is paid for by tax dollars and union dues, and which sucks the life out of people who work for a living. I’ll bet moron-Ted has a sitdown job like a paralegal or some other parasitic employment, if this schlub even works for a living.

murf said:
Are you implying Beck is a genius ?

:^ )

Not really. There’s another, more likely, scenario.

murf said:
Beck talks about the basic fundamentals of Christianity, that most Christians recognize, nothing more.

“What is a cult? The greatest authority on the cults, the late Dr. Walter Martin, described a cult as “A group of people gathered around a specific person’s misinterpretation of the Bible.”2 Cults are groups that claim to be in harmony with Christianity but deny foundational Christian doctrines such as the Trinity or the unique deity of Jesus Christ.

In Matthew 7:15-17, Jesus gives us a warning about the coming of the cults. He states, “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.” What Jesus was warning was that cultists will look, act, and sound like Christians. However, that is only in external appearance. One can parade as a true believer for a time, but eventually one’s words, actions, and especially one’s beliefs–their “fruit”–will give one away as a counterfeit.”

http://bible.org/article/character-cults

Interesting.

–Cobra

Cobra said:
“What is a cult? The greatest authority on the cults, the late Dr. Walter Martin, described a cult as “A group of people gathered around a specific person’s misinterpretation of the Bible.”2 Cults are groups that claim to be in harmony with Christianity but deny foundational Christian doctrines such as the Trinity or the unique deity of Jesus Christ.

That may be the dumbest definition of a cult I’ve ever seen. Not all cults have anything to do with the Bible or Christianity.

murf said:
Beck talks about the basic fundamentals of Christianity, that most Christians recognize, nothing more.

It seems the Left is bigoted towards mormons big time.

My wife grew up in a baptist household and therefore and as a result there are many friends of the family who are baptists as well so there are gatherings we go to where I’m around many of these people. Having said that, according to a majority of those folks whom Ive met and in general, according to many whom have clearly been in church for a long time, Mormanism is a cult. Any fundamental christian ( Pentecostal, Assembly of God, etc) will tell you the same.

But…they’ll also say that if you join a college fraternity or sorority, you’re joining a cult….if you’re a Shriner or a Fremason, you’re in a cult.

Cult is as loosely used a term as Nazi or fascist and a guaranteed argument winner on most threads on the web. As sure as I’m writing this, any argument will result in someone using any one of these terms as a last ditch effort.

Now that’s that’s out of the way, having listened to Beck several years ago..I didn’t have issue with him then because he talked current events and wasn’t politically focused…he’s become a more mainstream media friendly version of Alex Jones. He’s just gotten way out there. The fact that fans of Beck ( or his network whom never watch Beck at all) or any part of the right wing media machine might get bent out of shape tat there’s a negative book out there is no surprise to me. It happens on the left all the time..there are plenty of books attacking the left wing media. It was only a matter of time before we started seeing books like this going after the right wing media elite.

I live in a red state so I’ll have to look for the book a little more carefully for obvious reasons.

writer said:
Oh, great. Another language. And I was just figuring out those English/Spanish buttons on the ATM.</blockq

good one

Report: Glenn Beck Is Speaking In Secret Mormon Code

Just when you think you’ve heard every vile, idiotic, untrue, and nefarious statement or action that verifies the utter stupidity and depravity of the liberal, someone takes it a bit further.

Dear God, it must really SUCK to be a liberal.

murf said:
“Are you implying Beck is a genius ?”

CosmosDan says:
“Not really. There’s another, more likely, scenario.”

In The Backlash, Will Bunch wrote, “The genius of Glenn Beck — and make no mistake, there is genius amid the mayhem — lies in a remarkable ability to synthesize disconnected yet iconic American sound bites, both from real pop-culture heroes and from fictional ones, from the gripping narratives of Welles to the cathartic madness of the out-of-control Howard Beale in Hollywood’s Network.”

Genius? I would use a better word. Clever. Gifted (from years of practice BEFORE he ever went on the radio) and clever.

Now, to this point of Beck speaking in Mormon code. Pyrope can’t stand it when the left has any insight into anything, especially his hero, Glenn Beck. In this case, Glynnis has it pretty much on the money. 8-28 was synthetic of 12 steps (Kathleen Parker’s interpretation as well), Bible thumping revivalism and something that no one seems to have picked up on yet: Beck’s nemo. I haven’t posted on this yet. (Damn, he keeps me busy!) The nemo is an aspect of our personalities expounded upon by the late, great John Fowles in his The Aristos. “…I believe each human psyche has a fourth element, which, using a word indicated by the Freudian terminology, I call the nemo. By this I mean not only `nobody’, but also the state of being nobody — `nobodiness’. In short, just as physicists now postulate an anti-matter, so must we consider the possibility that there exists in the human psyche an anti-ego. This is the nemo.”

What’s this got to do with 8-28? People rebel against the nemo by doing things to write their name on the wall of history. Beck sees himself as an important historical figure, one man making a difference. He’s starting a movement back toward God, back toward minimal government, back toward the 19th Century. Nobody, especially not Glenn Beck, wants to be nobody, forgotten, lost to history. Fowles elaborated: “All our acts are partly devised to fill or to mask the emptiness we feel at the core.”

The 12 steps have elevated Beck (in his mind) to a height where he can see what we mere mortals cannot. Thus, he, by the power of his gift — and yes genius — will turn this country around. This is, if we — those of us who want the gov’t to protect us against the excesses of corporate power — let him.

To every independent voter you know, please share this URL:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com

I should have pointed out that not all Mormons are enthralled with Mr. Beck:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/08/mormon-perspective-on-glenn-beck-rough.html

No it’s not Mormon code, it’s called truism, a language the Liberals find hard to understand, if at all. I’m not Mormon, and I fully understand him.

I think I’ve broken the code.

Let’s do Nephi
Nephi Nephi bo bephi
Banana fanna fo fofhi
Me mi mo mephi
Nephi

Let’s do Jared.

Be not surprised. Another Mormon imbecile. For those of you who are ignorant – and that’s most of you – take a few moments & look up “Mormon Garments.” Then you can oder on-line. Yup. Know something of what you’re babbling about. Be REAL Murcuhns!!

CAconservative says: “No it’s not Mormon code, it’s called truism, a language the Liberals find hard to understand, if at all. I’m not Mormon, and I fully understand him.”

I literally JUST posted about this bifurcated world of totally different, biased assimilations that are taking place on the right (Beck’s audience) compared with those of us who understand that, for example, our Constitution does not hang in the balance because of reforms or Obama or progressives.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/paul-waldman-what-beck-says-is.html

I think you are conjuring conspiracy theories, not Glenn Beck.

Glenn Beck’s theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

Those who would denigrate Glenn Beck’s religion, usually have an ulterior motive.

Mormons have a better understanding of Christianity than any other denomination, according to a 2010 Pew Forum poll:

http://www.pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-and-Practices/U-S-Religious-Knowledge-Survey.aspx

11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.

For anybody interested in Mormon apologetics:

http://www.fairlds.org/

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/

http://www.shields-research.org/

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/

I’m not a member of the LDS faith, but having lived for a time in Utah, I know this:

1. I have never been cheated by a Mormon.

2. Mormons have gone out of their way to help me, even knowing that I was not a Mormon.

3. Mormons are good and dependable workers.

4. Mormons value education and, as a group, tend to be quite bright.

I cannot find any reason to disparage people who have these qualities.

If only for a moment, one assumes Jos Smith was a true American prophet, then that makes Mohammed no longer the last prophet and you conquer Islam instantly.

pyrope says: “I’m not a member of the LDS faith, but having lived for a time in Utah, I know this:
1. I have never been cheated by a Mormon.
2. Mormons have gone out of their way to help me, even knowing that I was not a Mormon.
3. Mormons are good and dependable workers.
4. Mormons value education and, as a group, tend to be quite bright.

I cannot find any reason to disparage people who have these qualities.”

This isn’t about a group; it’s about one man who blends fiction with fact into a narrative that he calls “faction,” a make-believe world that’s about to end. Hey, millions of gullible people buy his nonsense proving that someone with enough talent can fool some of the people all of the time.

Dana Milbank has nothing to spout except holy horseshit. That code for holy horseshit.

RIChris says: “Dana Milbank has nothing to spout except holy horseshit. ”

Have you read Tears of a Clown? No? Obviously.

I have read part of it, and he’s got Mr. Beck pretty well pegged. What you’re saying here RIChris, is that you’re as deranged as Mr. Beck is. for more, see:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/paul-waldman-what-beck-says-is.html

GlennBeckReview said:
pyrope says: “I’m not a member of the LDS faith, but having lived for a time in Utah, I know this:1. I have never been cheated by a Mormon.2. Mormons have gone out of their way to help me, even knowing that I was not a Mormon.3. Mormons are good and dependable workers.4. Mormons value education and, as a group, tend to be quite bright. I cannot find any reason to disparage people who have these qualities.” This isn’t about a group; it’s about one man who blends fiction with fact into a narrative that he calls “faction,” a make-believe world that’s about to end. Hey, millions of gullible people buy his nonsense proving that someone with enough talent can fool some of the people all of the time.

Then why is it an issue amongst liberals that Mr. Beck is a Mormon, and speaking in “Mormon Code?” For that matter, why was it an issue that Mr. Romney is a Mormon? Both have suffered much vitriol and their faith is always an issue in same! Read the above posts and even you might get a clue.

On another matter–YOU–you should take a look at the number of people on this site who express disagreement with your inane false accusations about Mr. Beck, and then count the numbers of those who gleefully rejoice in the lies you spread. An old Arabic proverb goes: “If a man calls you a jackass, be offended. If a hundred men call you a jackass, place a saddle on your back.” I can recommend several purveyors of saddles that could find one just your size.

pyrope said:
An old Arabic proverb goes: “If a man calls you a jackass, be offended. If a hundred men call you a jackass, place a saddle on your back.” I can recommend several purveyors of saddles that could find one just your size.

That is one of the best lines ever. There is a saddle shop just a few blocks from my house.

pyrope said:
Then why is it an issue amongst liberals that Mr. Beck is a Mormon, and speaking in “Mormon Code?” For that matter, why was it an issue that Mr. Romney is a Mormon? Both have suffered much vitriol and their faith is always an issue in same! Read the above posts and even you might get a clue.

For some reason, the fact that Harry Reid is a Mormon is never discussed. I wonder why?

pyrope says: “On another matter–YOU–you should take a look at the number of people on this site who express disagreement with your inane false accusations about Mr. Beck….”

I don’t care how much Beck’s gullible minions attack me. Are you kidding? I know that there are a lot of reactionaries here who think Beck is honest because of their biased assimilation. I can’t get through their thick heads that Beck lies. We can prove this, over and over. If you think you can disprove my research results of his lies, come on The Glenn Beck Review and do so. If you think I’m wrong about how got the origin of slavery wrong, tell me. I’ll correct MY mistakes; Glenn Beck never does. That’s why I have credibility and he doesn’t (except for the gullible fools who live in his parallel universe).
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/becks-history-of-slavery-is-flawed-and.html

Pyrope, disprove anything I claim about Beck’s lies and hypocrisy. You can’t. Some lawyer dill weed is trying to show that Beck didn’t lie during his 8-28, but he’s floundering. C’mon, Pyrope: I’m calling you out. Show where I have ANYTHING about Mr. Beck wrong. There’s a reason that people say that Beck’s ideas are “completely insane.” They ARE!
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/paul-waldman-what-beck-says-is.html

Calvin said:
For some reason, the fact that Harry Reid is a Mormon is never discussed. I wonder why?

It was Conservative Christian’s that were more concerned about Romney’s religion, and Beck’s only mattered when he decided he could criticize others beliefs.

CosmosDan said:
It was Conservative Christian’s that were more concerned about Romney’s religion, and Beck’s only mattered when he decided he could criticize others beliefs.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/12/08/larry-odonnells-anti-mormon-rant-demented-racist-pro-slavery-crazy

Care for more examples?

Incidentally, I’m sure all the people here are disparaging Mr. Beck’s religion because he disparaged social justice and BLT. Otherwise they wouldn’t disparage it. Right?

Calvin said:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/12/08/larry-odonnells-anti-mormon-rant-demented-racist-pro-slavery-crazy

Care for more examples?

Incidentally, I’m sure all the people here are disparaging Mr. Beck’s religion because he disparaged social justice and BLT. Otherwise they wouldn’t disparage it. Right?

Hey! I found someone criticizing Harry Reid’s religion for ya.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/07/sharron-angles-pastor-she_n_754330.html
It’s Sharon Angle’s Pastor He says
“His religion’s a cult,” Pastor Reed said. “The Christian community–all the Christians, theologians and scholars, all recognize that, that Mormonism is a cult. I have books in my library on cults, and it lists Mormonism right there with all these bizarre cults.
funny huh?

I’ve seen ODonnell’s strange rant before. Weird attitude but I think his facts are pretty much straight. I didn’t say no liberal’s criticized Romney. I’m saying the conservative Christians of the right were more of a problem for him. In fact here’s an article that mentioned the other candidates criticizing his religion in 2007 with Gulliani’s staff mentioning the very same Mormon prophecy
The campaign of former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani was forced to make a similar apology this month after The New York Sun reported that Katie Harbath, Giuliani’s deputy e-campaign director, had forwarded to a blogger a story in The Salt Lake Tribune linking Romney to an unofficial Mormon prophecy that a leader of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would one day save the Constitution

I sure can’t speak for everybody but I don’t care what religion someone belongs to or if they don’t belong to one at all. I’ve figured out that those labels don’t really reveal anything about the person’s character.
So you tell me, were people criticizing Beck’s Mormonism before he decided other denominations were fair game? It’s a little late for anyone to claim it’s unfair isn’t it?
The beautiful thing about this Mormon Prophecy thing is that it employs the same brand of “not really logic” that Glenn uses all the time. If that sort of think is okay for Beck to do I guess it’s okay for others right?

Here’s a couple videos you should take a look at, CD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzqVRO3cGkA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgil063Lr8c&feature=related

CosmosDan said:
Hey! I found someone criticizing Harry Reid’s religion for ya.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/07/sharron-angles-pastor-she_n_754330.html
It’s Sharon Angle’s Pastor He says
“His religion’s a cult,” Pastor Reed said. “The Christian community–all the Christians, theologians and scholars, all recognize that, that Mormonism is a cult. I have books in my library on cults, and it lists Mormonism right there with all these bizarre cults.
funny huh?

I’m talking about liberals. Liberals criticizing Harry Reid for his religion. Nobody’s arguing that people on the right wouldn’t criticize Reid for his religion. Just show me a liberal knocking him for his choice of religion. (Besides Bill Maher)

I’ll get back to you on the rest of your comment later.

Calvin said:
I’m talking about liberals. Liberals criticizing Harry Reid for his religion. Nobody’s arguing that people on the right wouldn’t criticize Reid for his religion. Just show me a liberal knocking him for his choice of religion. (Besides Bill Maher)

I’ll get back to you on the rest of your comment later.

Calvin I honestly don’t care one way or the other about whether people consider Mormon’s Christians or not on the right, the left, or in the middle. It’s a non issue for me. I personally don’t think Mormonism is any better or worse than a lot of denominations in Christianity.

CosmosDan said:
I didn’t say no liberal’s criticized Romney. I’m saying the conservative Christians of the right were more of a problem for him.

Those on the right had an impact on the election, but I remember hearing pot shots taken at Romney’s Mormonism on the liberal airwaves and seeing them in the newsapers all the time. Apparently it’s popular with both sides to bash conservatives for being Mormons, but the left doesn’t bash liberals for being Mormons. The religous right bash mormonism on both sides (I’m not too fond of the religous right sometimes.)

CosmosDan said:
I’ve seen ODonnell’s strange rant before. Weird attitude but I think his facts are pretty much straight.

http://mydryfly.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/correcting-lawrence-odonnells-mormon-bash/

Calvin said:
For anybody interested in Mormon apologetics: http://www.fairlds.org/ http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/ http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/ http://www.shields-research.org/ http://www.mormonapologetics.org/

CosmosDan said:
Weird attitude but I think his facts are pretty much straight.

If you read the article, you would have read this at least:

I’ll leave it to others to fully deconstruct O’Donnell’s rant. But in response to O’Donnell’s repeated claims that Mormonism and Joseph Smith were “pro-slavery,” I’d point readers to Jake Tapper’s article at ABC News discussing Smith’s presidential candidacy of 1844 [emphasis added]:

•It’s interesting to note that Smith’s campaign in 1844 sought to end slavery.
•Smith’s solution was gradualist — to purchase the freedom of slaves with funds amassed by the reduction in the size of Congress, pay for members of Congress and the sale of public lands.
•”He felt slavery was not right and saw the need to abolish slavery to preserve the nation. But he also realized the need to save the economy of the South.” He “refused to take the extreme abolitionist point.”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/12/08/larry-odonnells-anti-mormon-rant-demented-racist-pro-slavery-crazy

Of course I gave you the one link that went through every claim of O’Donnell’s, as well as the Mormon apologetics websites. So unless you meant he had his facts straight except for the slavery claim, there you go.

Calvin said:
Of course I gave you the one link that went through every claim of O’Donnell’s, as well as the Mormon apologetics websites. So unless you meant he had his facts straight except for the slavery claim, there you go

If you look at different sources you’ll get different answers.
this site claims to have an article written by Smith that supports slavery.
http://www.waltermartin.com/slavery.html
You might also want to check out the entries about Mormons here which mentions the same article written by Smith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_slavery
and B Young’s comments about the Mark of Cain.
here’s one indicating that B Young may have sought and won slavery rights in Utah after Smith was killed.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3639603

http://www.mormonzeitgeist.com/node/102 and one more about Smith.

Establishing historic fact takes more effort than one or two cites , so I’ll correct my too general statement.
I was thinking of the factual history of allowing blacks in the priesthood in the late 70s. long after the civil rights movement. As for the rest, I don’t know and don’t think it’s relevant enough to spend much time on.
A politicians religious beliefs are only relevant in the way they affect their votes and the legislation they propose. Someone holding up the Bible to deny equal rights to our gay population doesn’t get my respect. Someone trying to minimize the science of evolution and trying to affect our educational system accordingly will find me opposed.
In this case, the story is about a pundit who took it upon himself to criticize the religion of others which certainly makes his own religion fair game.

a few more statements from Smith and Young

http://somemormonstuff.blogspot.com/2007/12/was-mormonism-ever-pro-slavery.html

Calvin says:
“Incidentally, I’m sure all the people here are disparaging Mr. Beck’s religion….”

I’ve not done that once. I have a guest post by a Mormon.
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/08/mormon-perspective-on-glenn-beck-rough.html

It’s an excellent, Mormon perspective on Mr. Beck.

GlennBeckReview said:
Calvin says:
“Incidentally, I’m sure all the people here are disparaging Mr. Beck’s religion….”

I’ve not done that once. I have a guest post by a Mormon.
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/08/mormon-perspective-on-glenn-beck-rough.html

It’s an excellent, Mormon perspective on Mr. Beck.

GlennBeckReview said:
Calvin says:
“Incidentally, I’m sure all the people here are disparaging Mr. Beck’s religion….”

I’ve not done that once. I have a guest post by a Mormon.
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/08/mormon-perspective-on-glenn-beck-rough.html

It’s an excellent, Mormon perspective on Mr. Beck.

Interesting. I’ll have to read the rest of it later. Seems like an intelligent fair assessment so far.

GlennBeckReview said:
Calvin says:“Incidentally, I’m sure all the people here are disparaging Mr. Beck’s religion….” I’ve not done that once. I have a guest post by a Mormon.http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/08/mormon-perspective-on-glenn-beck-rough.html It’s an excellent, Mormon perspective on Mr. Beck.

Sorry, I should of said “most of the people here disparaging Mr. Beck’s religion.”

Just because the guy’s a Mormon doesn’t mean every Mormon loves him. Just like Romney.

I briefly glanced at your article and I’ve got three things to say.

First, it is a mischaracterization to label the tea party as anti-government. They’re anti-big government and pro-limited government, but not straight out anti-government. They believe as Thomas Paine did that government is a necessary evil.

Second, you couldn’t pick a conservative radio host who is more jealous of Glenn Beck than Mark Levin. Except for maybe Michael Savage. Scratch that. Levin is more jealous than Savage. I think Mark Levin might actually hate Glenn Beck.

Third, Glenn Beck cries on cue? That was a photoshoot for GQ. You might have seen the photo of Glenn from this photoshoot on the cover of Time Magazine, which it shouldn’t have been on. Here is Glenn Beck’s take on the time magazine cover. “That shot was taken by a photographer that tried to destroy me for a photo shoot with GQ. I think we filed against GQ for releasing that photo. I didn’t agree to any photo shoot at all. I had no idea that cover ‑‑ that’s the picture that Time selected from a photo shoot from GQ that they weren’t supposed to have.” http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/30880/

You can believe whatever you want, but Mark Leibovich thinks that Glenn Beck believes in what he’s doing.http://www.mediaite.com/online/readers-ask-nyt-about-glenn-beck-nyt-answers/ Glenn Beck is kind of showman, but he would not fake tears. Take a look at this and tell me if you think this is genuine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z58eHBnEHhk

If Glenn Beck had to cry on cue at CNN, I think we would have heard from them. Having listened to the guy over the years, I can say that he’s genuinely emotional and believes in what he’s doing. He’s said numerous times that he’s not doing the things he’s doing because he wants to, but because has to. Like I said, you’re free to believe whatever you want.

Dan, I stand by my original point that liberals take shots at Romney for being Mormon, but not at Reid for being Mormon. Not that I’ve heard anyway.

Having listened to Glenn Beck and followed him for a long time, I can honestly say that people from both sides of the aisle have taken shots at his Mormonism for a while.

If you want to have a long discussion on Mormonism and it’s history, I would refer you to this website:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/

Or you could just see what they have to say there and see if they’re right.

Don’t forget these websites.

http://www.fairlds.org/

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/

http://www.shields-research.org/

Or you could seek out a member of that church and have a face to face discussion. There’s about six million of them in the United States, with a total worldwide membership of 13,498,676 members.

http://www.rickety.us/lds/world/

Calvin says: “First, it is a mischaracterization to label the tea party as anti-government. They’re anti-big government and pro-limited government, but not straight out anti-government. They believe as Thomas Paine did that government is a necessary evil.”

They don’t believe what Paine believed at all. Paine, as I understand his writing, supported income redistribution and a minimum income hundreds of years before Clower and Piven.

There’s more than a little evidence also that racism permeates the Tea Party. See:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_tea_party_its_worse_than_you_think_20101007/
That’s why Beck’s supporters are not turned off — if they even notice — by his frequent race-baiting.

Finally, the article to which you refer is a guest viewpoint, not mine (I’m not Mormon). The Tea Party, in my view, is anti-effective government and pro-corporate profits at any cost. Progressives argue for people before profits, and the Tea Party argue for profits; f#$k the people. That’s my viewpoint.

GlennBeckReview said:
They don’t believe what Paine believed at all. Paine, as I understand his writing, supported income redistribution and a minimum income hundreds of years before Clower and Piven.

I don’t know much about Paine, but I was referring to this specific quote of his:

“Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.”

Nowhere did I say that they believed everything Paine believed, just that they shared the belief that government is a necessary evil.

Calvin says: “Nowhere did I say that they believed everything Paine believed, just that they shared the belief that government is a necessary evil.”

Yes, well the Tea Party has many anachronistic ideas. What entity is the only entity that reliably provides essential services?
Government.

What entity is the only entity that can protect the public interest against the private, corporate interest?
Government.

What entity is more likely to curb free speech, government or corporations?
Corporations (when on the job).

Government is necessary; we won’t argue about that. Too much AND too little government can become evil. A 1786 government is too little for the 21st Century. A 19th Century government that Beck wants to lead us back to is too little for the 21st Century. Beck and the Tea Party are reactionaries that are dangerous in their naivete about government.

With corporate spending on this election aiming to turn the U.S. into a complete plutocracy, “big-government” should be the least of people’s concerns. Effective government is what we need, and that means dumping the Republican/Tea Party of no. The Tea Party especially is dangerous on many levels.

On race: http://www.regressiveantidote.net/Articles/How_Do_You_Take_Your_Tea.html
and especially:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_tea_party_its_worse_than_you_think_20101007/

On science:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/07/AR2010100705484.html?wpisrc=nl_opinions

And, yes, even on our founders:
http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/11816

Calvin said:
Having listened to Glenn Beck and followed him for a long time, I can honestly say that people from both sides of the aisle have taken shots at his Mormonism for a while.

If you want to have a long discussion on Mormonism and it’s history, I would refer you to this website:

I already know a bit about Mormonism. Joseph Smith was a charlatan IMO, who made up a story about golden plates being delivered by an angel. That said, My guess is the Mormon church is like most large religions made up of humans. Some great people and some not so great. I don’t care what religion Beck or anyone else is until they start getting a little to preachy and criticizing other religions.

I read an article you linked to in another thread about Beck’s sincerity. GBR’s article does a good job of dissecting Beck’s style and how he switches from saying things that sound reasonable, to ridiculous unreasonable leaps that bear no resemblance to logic. If he’s completely sincere in doing that, I wouldn’t call that better than just doing it for money.

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