Way to kill MORE jobs, Obama!

Stand up for Nebraska.  Should the US suck off some Canadians over a project that will only provide about 5000 part-time jobs and not even lower oil prices?  Let’s build a pipeline for oil resources located here in the US – not Canada.

This Obama decision will cause the Republican’s heads to explode!!

The same Keystone bill that will produce more jobs abroad than local. Why do they like sending jobs overseas? 

Exactly! Obama’s so lame at this — we need the Republicans back in office. Bush was a REAL job killer!

Where? You mean the jobs that would be created abroad? 

Things are much worse since Obama occupied the white house. I wouldn’t expect a phony such as yourself who puts party before country to understand, though.

No worries – China approves of Obama’s move.

China smiles.

It must really suck to stop losing jobs to the tune of 700,000 a month.

I feel your pain.

Things are much better since Obama occupied the white house. I wouldn’t
expect a phony such as yourself who puts party before country to
understand, though.

You’re spinning so fast how can you even stand up?

That must be why foreclosures are way up, unemployment is way up, food stamps applications are way up, poverty numbers are way up, food is way up, etc, etc. Just wow.

Is anyone surprised when Ear Leader undermines America? Can’t wait for Gov. Palin’s response to this news.

All Americans should rise up in protest to this purely political move by the amateur
President.

There are twelve pipelines coming in now from Canada and no excuse to stop this. This hack is going down in flames.

He’s got Sullivan to soften his blow.

Our president is a spineless delta bravo.

Obama, hates jobs loves food stamps. Needs to be gone from Presidency in Nov for the good of all people  not just the environmental freaks.

Everyone knew this was coming.  The far left keep insisting this President compromises too much, but I doubt I could count past 2 for the number of times he’s compromised on anything.  This is all about getting reelected – he has no interest in fixing the economy or adding jobs, unless they are union jobs.

Obama is stuck on STUPID!

More likely it’ll cause them to donate to the RNC and their candidate of choice to ensure the worst President we’ve had in modern times is sent back to Chicago.

Even a blind man can see things are better:  Bush lost 4.4 MILLION JOBS in his last year.  The fourth quarter of 2008 the GDP contracted at a 5.4 percent annual pace,
which had not been seen since 1983 during the Reagan Depression?  I hate to hear what you think doing awesome would be like!  Hahaha.

I guess losing 4.4 million jobs in Bush’s last year and leading us into a recession starting in December of 2007 is good?  Obama getting us out of the Bush recession starting in 2009, and keeping us out of the recession ever since is bad? 

In his first year-and-a-half in the White House, GW Bush presided over a 37% decline in the stock market value…what about during Obama’s first two years?  The Dow was up 48%, the S&P 500 is up 60% and the Nasdaq up 90%.

You should be Tebowing right now for Obama….lol.  Or
you can act like you still have Bush as president and shoot yourself in the face.

Where are the stories about the impact of the rising price of gas and the effect on middle to low income families?   Did you notice the price of a gallon of gas is rising?

The right is playing games instead of doing their job. The president just took their ball and is on his way home.  Love it.

Keystone will not address US supply.  It is a Canadian export pipeline sending the oil to Foreign Trade Zones within the US so that it can then be exported to foreign byers without tax.

The project pioneered by then-governor Sarah Palin, the Keystone XL Pipeline, which will create 20,000 construction jobs, plus another 350,000 ancillary jobs and will not only significantly reduce US imports of oil from the Middle East and Latin America, but it will also help open up huge new oil resources in the United States by providing the confidence to develop oil reserves in the Rocky Mountain region, is READY FOR FINAL APPROVAL but the eco-nut extremists (ie., the same clueless cult that brought us the GloBULL Warming HOAX) are demanding that their d-cRAT socialist puppets STOP its construction – and “job-killer” OBOZO is all to happy to follow their orders.  Instead, American must ensure its energy independence, create jobs and STOP d-cRAT socialism by building the critical Keystone XL pipeline.

Politics over actually helping people? Are you now praising the same thing you’re criticizing?

America be damned!  If you want a running economy, **** you!

That’s the message I got from Obama.  That’s what Obama’s saying, right?

Yeah, it will make the heads of any who understands how an economy works explode.  I expect no democrats to get mad, naturally.

Sep 16, 2010 – August saw more Americans lose their homes to foreclosure than any other month on record, RealtyTrac reported today.ROFL!

Feb 17, 2011 – The percentage of mortgages in foreclosure ties a record high in the fourth quarter of 2010.Ka-pow!

Oh man, this is really gonna light up the political discourse. This is gonna drive the opposition ballistic.

There they go again! Trying to saddle president Obama with killing jobs, when
it’s the 112th Congress who has shut down jobs production in America. The
extremist, confrontational attitude of this current 112th Congress has forced
the president to use their tactics against them. Any pollution of any kind will
result in future generational issues still unforseen. Big Oil has an unproven
track record on safety issues as well. This current Congress uses the mentality
of “Drill, Baby, Drill” for financial gain without regard for our children. Watch the extremist hold the payroll tax and unemployment benefits hostage again. If you are sick and tired of the constant confrontational attitude of this current Congress, get started. Be sure and register if not registered, get involved local as that’s where the most control is exerted and vote in November to clean house of the fringe tangent shutting down progress. 

I didn’t realize that China would be so pleased that we declined to pollute the Oglalla aquifer, which is the source of clean water for 8 midwestern states.

http://www.kgs.ku.edu/Publications/Bulletins/ED10/gifs/fig9.jpg

But I guess we could consider polluting our water supply just to annoy the Chinese. Sounds like a winning strategy!

What does that mean he loves food stamps?

Bush was the worst President in modern times, maybe in all of history and his record proves it!!

I don’t think liberals actually understand how an economy runs.  I think it would crush their world if they ever realized cheap energy is the life blood of the American economy.  If that goes up, the rest goes down.  That must be why they are against drilling, oil, and for the ridiculousness of “green energy.”

The panderer in chief. And his base will fall for it like clockwork

Republicans blindly support the pipeline only because they have been told to!!

Feb 17, 2011 – The percentage of mortgages in foreclosure ties a record high in the fourth quarter of 2010.Ka-pow!

“Hurting people”… who, the Texan oil barons??

The pipeline is not designed to bring energy to the US Mr. “I don’t think liberals actually understand how an economy runs”.  At least try to understand the most basic facts.

My question implies the liberal media do not run such stories during a presidential race as not to negatively impact their chosen candidate. 

This is supposed to be a media watchdog website.  All Mediaite has tuned into is a cheer leading website for President Obama and a list of negativity toward anything Republican/conservative.

You forgot to end your sentence with “Drill, baby drill!!”

Since you are just asking, why did Obama make the decision today?  I’m just asking.

Very true in this case.

LOL – why don’t you quote me some numbers from 1945…hahaha.   If you say Foreclosures are way up, the intention is that you are talking about current numbers.  Are you trying to mislead everyone here Rocket Scientist (*gets me everytime*)? 

Foreclosures are currently at their lowest levels since Bush imploded the economy. 

So, you’re admitting you were told to oppose it? Think, before you post, please.

I think the saying for you liberals is “Pay, baby pay!!”

Saw a report on the high price of energy this week on MSNBC… here is an article from 20 hours ago.  The fact that you are not in the woods don’t mean that the wind ain’t flowin through the branches.  
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46030132/ns/local_news-portsmouth_va/t/record-gas-prices-estimated-summer/#.TxcY5iNWoxQ

The people who have the pipeline next to their property should be the ones who should really be voicing their opinions… even the Governor of Nebraska had his reservations about it not be safe, and he was a Republican!!

You lose, again!

More on the market, means more to buy.  Regardless, it will still provide jobs.  Of course, seeing liberals complain that it won’t be sold in America is a nonsensical thing.  I think we’re perfectly aware that liberals don’t care about oil prices.  Look at the moratorium on drilling in the gulf, the restriction on drilling most anywhere really.  What’s most absurd about it all is China’s drilling in the gulf and we can’t?  What’s wrong with that?

Democrats got control of Congress in 2007 and that is when the job losses started. Blaming Bush is weak. Blocking the pipeline demonstrates Democrats don’t really care about jobs.

Liberals don’t set the price of oil, it’s a world commodity!! If you really want the price to go down, lower the State taxes and reduce the speculation on Wall Street!!

If you’re complaining about how things are NOW, you can’t quote numbers from a year or more ago…that’s just common sense Rocket Scientist (LOL).  You can’t even argue that – look at the CURRENT NUMBERS (from right now genius): “Foreclosures plunge to lowest level since 2007″
http://realestate.msn.com/fore...

All the way back to when your boy declared “Mission Accomplished” on destroying the economy.  Nice try brainiac.

Of course it’s a world commodity, but you liberals want us to pay more.
A few things:Liberals have restricted the flow of oil ever turn, whether it’s drilling in the gulf, the arctic, drilling leases cancelled in Utah, and on and on.

I agree, lower taxes across the board, something, I must admit, you as a liberal seem to be different on.  But I go further: remove taxes on all corporations.  If not that, then at least on all manufacturing.

And as for speculation?  Speculation doesn’t cause prices to go up.  It’s just gambling, if it goes up in price, they make money, if it doesn’t they lose.  If you’re interested in how speculation may actually help, look at onions.  They were uniquely banned from being speculated on(Off the top of my head, this was because of worries during the great depression, I think) and thus their prices are far more volatile than anything else.  Reducing speculation would just cause prices to be more volatile.

He loves having people depend on the govt for their means.

“More on the market, means more to buy.”
—Again, the pipeline is designed to export fuel abroad.  It will not add supply to service American demand.  If anything, it will cut into existing supply from Canada
“Keystone XL would divert large volumes of Canadian oil currently going to the Midwest to the Gulf Coast, where it will be refined and sold on the world market.The pipeline would be Canada’s first major step in diversifying its tar sands oil market away from the United States for the benefit of the major oil companies.”
http://priceofoil.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/KXL_-Undermine_energy-security_Full_Web.pdf
“ Of course, seeing liberals complain that it won’t be sold in America is a nonsensical thing.”
—Because so many believe the inverse to be true when it is not?  We should ignore the misunderstanding?  Is that a way to understand “how the economy works”?  Fantastical!
“I think we’re perfectly aware that liberals don’t care about oil prices.”
— Really?  Is that because liberals also fail to understand how our cars work?  Do you think I push the thing around?
“Look at the moratorium on drilling in the gulf, the restriction on drilling most anywhere really.”
—After at least 5 billion in damages to thousands of small/ local business from one international and still the administration allows for expansion at close to pr-incident pace… 
http://www.bsee.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Permits/Status-of-Gulf-of-Mexico-Well-Permits.aspx
with a massive lease sale in 2011.
http://www.doi.gov/news/pressreleases/Salazar-Bromwich-Announce-Proposed-Gulf-of-Mexico-Oil-and-Gas-Lease-Sale.cfm

Done and done.

He means this: http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/04/pf/food_stamps_record_high/index.htm

You’re trying to do battle with a complete jackass. When someone has their head so far up their ass as to write that “Obama hates jobs,” you know that there’s nothing you can possibly say to convince them otherwise. Don’t waste your time. You’d have better luck communicating with the niggerhead rock.

I would disagree on the speculation, since the big banks and not the airlines are doing the most of it… for mere profits!!

Also, I would think removing taxes on corporations would just boost their profits and have no good effect on the country and job market!!

I think there was a report on the top companies paying no taxes at all… or something like that… would have to look it up to be more precise!!

If a Republican had killed this many jobs your opinion would be different.

If we wanted jobs just for the sake of jobs we could restore a few bridges and roads in our national system. The environmental impact of the proposed pipeline, stretching across the US so that a private company, or a few private companies can make more money, and whose oil is sold on the world market, anyway, so that the supposed benefit to the US which buys its oil on the world market would be just pennies on the dollar at best, is too much.

That happen for 8 years??? Really??? Link please…..

What …Wait  What world are you living in? Things are worse…Are drinking the koolaid. Obama has been in office three years and the first two he had congress and the senate on his side ..

His only experience in economics was of a community organizer and a so called professor. This guy knows more about crating jobs as much as a 5 year old!

1. Oil is going to be sold either way.  Either we get jobs in the process or China does.  Is there something missing here?  Just because America won’t refine it now, doesn’t mean China won’t.

2. Economy works this way: if you act like it’s a privilege to work with you, people are going to go else where.  This is a global economy after all.

3. No, but liberals seem to be pushing around mobile fire coffins, otherwise known as Volts on anyone and everyone.

4. And how often do spills happen?  I can’t remember off the top of my head, but I believe it was vastly under 1% of the time.  Nothing’s perfect, but y’all expect perfection.

5. Leases don’t mean you can drill.  I figured I’d clear that up for you. And, that was done how long after the moratorium on drilling?  Which was highly illegal as considered by the Supreme Court.

Mitt has only won one primary so far, and a silly caucus, I wouldn’t be calling him chief just yet. He does have the pandering down, however, I will give you that.

Dont you know OSTL…..facts scare liberals! they only believe what Hollywood stars tell them and other liberals that say everyone is racist and stupid if they are not like them.

You are wrong on that. At current prices, it makes much more sense to use foreign oil and keep our oil in reserve. If foreign oil goes way high, then we, that is the federal government, should develope our own oil off the world market.

I wonder how Obama will spin this one as “jobs created”
I can’t believe there are still morons who are still stupid enough to cast their vote for this anti-American slob.

Airlines probably don’t have analysts scouring data day in and day out like bankers trying to find when is the best time to buy.  So, that keeps prices more stable.

As for the removing taxes, just look at it this way: why would companies NOT come to America and create jobs if they get to keep their profits in their entirety?  Even then, a rich person making money and holding onto it is not a bad thing at all.  Say a rich person buys a mansion, they’ll have to hire workers who will intern use that money to buy food, clothing, etc., which will go to the other store which will hire workers and the process plays out that way on large scale.  Even then, if the rich person doesn’t buy a house, that’s money in the bank to be loaned to a responsible person who will buy a house and on and on and on.  Even the tiniest of details as far as economics goes is still a large player in the grand scheme of things. And having rich people always helps.

Yeah, GE was one of those companies not paying taxes.  Also, the more companies have to invest, the more they will.  Take Intel.  The CEO of Intel once said to build a factory in America, it costs $1 billion more than anywhere else.  That is absolutely astounding.  Why would you choose here?  We don’t produce enough engineers, our government/union run schools are terrible, and it generally costs more to operate here than anywhere else in the world.  Why choose here?

Those construction jobs are temporary, and not 20K all at the same time, either. The real benefit flows to the private companies who are essentially importing oil from Canada to be refined and sold on the world market at a big profit. Why should our nation pay for that?

1: Is that a concession that the pipeline will not address US supply? As far as the jobs are concerned…
” During construction, the project is expected to create over seven million hours of labor and over 13,000 new jobs for American workers.”
http://www.transcanada.com/5493.html
2: It’s cost v. benefit. 13,000 jobs… most of which are temporary versus the cost of environmental damage and cleanup.
3: And carbon has no faults? Causes no harm? The end of innovation?
4: “TransCanada has experienced major problems with its first Keystone pipeline which has already leaked 14 times in its first year of operation just in the U.S.
sections”
“According to the University of Nebraska, it is expected there will be 91 major spills over the 50-year lifetime of the pipeline”
http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/keystonejobs-4pgr.pdf
5: Link?

we will just shake our heads and know what a screwed up country we are now! with a totally unqualified president who reads teleprompters very well.!

If Obama wins next election I figure this country is over as being a
superpower!

We will largely increase our entitlement welfare crowd . There will
be so many Americans that depend on government handouts that the new democrat party
will have the majority of votes in every election.

The Americans who work hard and pay the majority of the taxes will decrease and any canadate that
is pro self reliant with values will fail and be called names and degraded in the media as being out of touch.

Welcome to the new America under Obama next time around!

I don’t really know. Why DID he make the decision today?

And how do you arrive at that conclusion given the information above?

Well, one… aren’t those folks you would want to hurt?

But two… no, the people who would be receiving work (temporary or otherwise) from this project. There is a reason why the labor unions were behind it, and that’s because of jobs.

Additionally, more oil on the world stage means lower prices everywhere.

I will vote for him with joy. This was the right choice for many reasons.

Is that how you believe industry should work? If your business impacts someone living around you, they should be able to veto your company?

I’m pretty sure that would cut WAY down on employment in this country, no?

Of course any “conservative” scum bag would cheer wildly for polluting our water supply just to stick it to Obama! So, in essence, WC gets his jollies every time something like this goes down.

It has to be directly related to the fact that it can’t even spell candidate. So, it’s probably a heavy dose of Drudge, Drugster, Kurvy Kouch Klan or Beck. But, I could be wrong.

Because Rep. Lee Terry (R-TransCan) attached a rider to the payroll tax bill forcing a decision before completion of the review process, a review process complicated by the objection of Nebraskans to an initial route that endangered local land. Again, a senator trying to ignore the federal review process to impose a international export pipeline despite the protests of his own constituents… Obama said no today. He refused to be forced into a bad decision (only 13k part time and temporarary jobs, less supply to America and cleanup costs) by the petty politics of the right. It was the correct thing to do.

Replied above.

I know you prefer Republican policies, because when they don’t work, you will just find some reason to blame the Democrats!!

Remember how bad the Clinton years were with 22 million jobs created and a balanced budget??

I searched CBS, NBC and ABC for stories relating to gas prices.  Some blurbs about prices being affected because of the tensions with Iran.  But none of the stories about people and hardships caused by high gas prices.  I hear gas prices are headed for $5.00.  Will the liberal media take note then?  We will see.

This says it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XjieCcaKydg

Bankers buying oil is kind of weird, since they have no use for it other than to resell it at a higher profit!!

Millionaires buying mansions is nice, but since their aren’t that many of them, the true jobs would be created if the middle-class had the opportunity to buy them!!

NewsCorp. was another company who received a refund due to the system tilted in their favor… among many others!!

Intel could build their factory anywhere they want, but should then pay a tax to resell their products in America, if they don’t then possibly a company in this country could do it and we could tell Intel you’re not needed… don’t come back!!

We have the best Universities in the world and more of our citizens need a chance to get the education they offer… shouldn’t be only a possibility for the privileged!!

Obama Supports High Gas Prices If They’re Gradually Hiked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Tmi_fpUHs&feature=player_embedded#!

Hi Greg,

How can you NOT arrive at that conclusion given the information above?  That is rhetorical question as I know the answer:  You are passively complicitous to the conspiracy.  Ergo, you and others like you, are “useful idiots.”  I sincerely hope that term is beginning to make sense to you now?

Now what are we going to do?  Obama claimed he could fix the mess, no matter who made it or caused it, unfortunately, MY Nation is now in worse shape than when Obama took over.

At first it was reasonable to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, that he over reached, “a bridge too far” so to speak.  But now, with the rejection of the Keystone project, I can very easily make the case, this once child of Socialist parents, protege of Socialist Radicals, etc., is at the very least desirous of the diminution of my homeland.  

At worst, the man is part of a conspiracy?

Purveyor of Rhetoric

I don’t understand the Keystone Pipeline, and I doubt very many people do. Why doesn’t the Canadian Company go west to the Pacific? If Canadian regulations are more strict than USA’s standards, is Canada taking advantage of USA?

What about individual property owners who don’t want the pipeline on their property? Many people will want more compensation for their land rights than what the company is willing to pay. How does a conservative handle these property rights issues?

If the pipeline comes here, oil would be refined here. That would pollute USA. Then the oil gets shipped overseas and sold at world market prices.

New jobs would be great, but at what cost? How long would the jobs last? How many jobs? How many good jobs?

Something does not smell right. Canadian oil comes into USA. It gets refined here and pollutes our air. Property owners are forced to have pipeline on their land. The oil gets shipped overseas. Most of the money goes to the owners in Canada.

If the pipeline comes here, how many years and how many law suits will it take before oil is flowing?

A really good idea!  The Baaken holds more light sweet crude than the filthy tar sands holds in that asphalt oil.
Build a pipeline from the North Dakota Canada border and then make the Canadians beg for access.

Anyone who thinks Canada is going to build a pipeline from the tar sands to Vancouver got an “F” in Geography!

So Obama, who has previously circumvented the “review process” (see Cordray, etc.) decided today that the “review process” was needed. Interesting.

He also decided that the 13k part-time and temporary jobs weren’t good enough, despite having pushed infrastructure reform and jobs, which (as we all know) are also part-time or temporary. Oh, and the labor unions (which support Obama) were for this project.

So, in addition to reverse two previous Obama actions, he also decided that more oil on the oil market wouldn’t be a good thing for everyone, thus eventually increasing China’s wealth, continuing our reliance on oil from unfriendly foreign nations, costing Americans more and more for their fuel costs, and keeping 13k people who would be happy to have a job (even for a little while) out of work.

No, this was a decision he was forced into… but the reasoning was a political calculation, not principle. He knows that while the unions may be upset with him, they won’t switch sides or support someone else. However, upsetting the environmentalists could be more damaging, as they could call for a Ralph Nader-esque candidate in response. That person would draw votes from the environ folks, and (if they played their cards correctly) from the Occupy people (who are none too in love with Obama as it is).

It was politics over America… again. Not to say he is unique in doing that. Only that he is no better than anyone else.

Oh – I get it.  Since the population is the highest ever (of course) and unemployment is the highest since the Reagan Depression, we have the highest amount of SNAP participants…that’s math.  What’s your point again?  Seems kind of dumb you didn’t already know how math works. 

yeah, what’s another hundred thousand jobs. He fired eighty-five thousand military, stole 733 car dealerships, destroyed fourteen-million jobs and faked 2 million jobs made or saved. What a goof. He’s better off just hosting another Occupy Wall Street White House Dinner.

I’m sure you believe your own opinions…you should demand more proof from yourself.

That’s not what I said, is it?

My point was that we were much better off than where we started, which was LOSING 700,000 jobs per month. That’s a fact.

Despite OSTL’s spin, the Bush record on job creation is appalling, especially as he started off with a relatively healthy economy and a budget surplus. According to the Wall Street Journal, he had virtually the WORST record in modern memory. And despite all those tax cuts for the “job creators,” the employment picture DETERIORATED throughout his second term and by the last year we were suffering a catastrophic loss of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of jobs every month.

I’m assuming you’re not conveniently forgetting that time, right?

By the fall of 2008, Bush’s last few months in office, the numbers were in the 500,000 to 800,000 range for losses. AND GETTING WORSE EACH MONTH.

Any policy that takes us backwards towards that should be fought vigorously. And any presidential candidate who denies the improvement we’ve made since then is an outright liar.

Dearest Purveyor-
Here is my quick form argument in favor of Obama’s leadership on the economy.  Please feel free to disassemble.

Employment fell off a cliff as Obama took office.  Look at the jobs numbers starting in January of 08.http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/12/weekly-initial-unemployment-claims_29.htmlSince the inherited drop, jobs have seen a steady return that almost exactly mirrors the angle of return established  after the 2001 recession… http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2012/01/employment-summary-part-time-workers.htmlThe stimulus was not “spending” strictly speaking.  The plurality of stimulus cost associated with tax cuts, the next largest category being grants to state governments.http://www.creditloan.com/infographics/obamas-economic-stimulus-plan-mapped-out/The combined tax cuts and moderate spending resulted in a return to pre-crisis GDP that our financial doppelganger  (England) did not achieve under a policy of fiscal austerity.  http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/Permalink/MSUN-8MXFSY?OpenDocumentIf you have the time… a report on the structural factors contributing to “jobless recovery” from the New York Fed. http://www.ny.frb.org/research/current_issues/ci9-8/ci9-8.html

My argument on the Keystone is made below (bout’ half way down)… Quick summary:
- Todays decision was forced… a political game looking to ignore the normal review process.
-  Job gains are temporary and lower than most claim.
-  Spills are certain/ cost of cleanup is just that… an important cost to consider.
-  Pipeline will result in less supply, not more.

The pipeline will send the fuel to China after we bear the environmental costs of processing and transport to benefit TransCan… with a few jobs to be used as leverage against Obama in an election year.  The whole affair is terribly anti-American and our President rightly did not stand for it.  Have fun with all that.

Cheers!

What rock?

The man unequivocally said he could/would fix the problem,  The problem is now much worse!

I rest my case

They were already at 4.50+ and the librul media never made a peep nor will they. Obama owns them.

Purely politically motivated. He needs the votes.

are you serious?  You bought the bull shit – a shame really.

that is the dumbest damn argument ever.  You have not a clue what you are talking about.  

the pres just made about the stupidest move possible.  

Putting jobs in a wood box?  What are you saying ya loon – try to make some sense.  Sounds like you’ve had Koolaid mixed with something else…lol.  Take a nap.

“So Obama, who has previously circumvented the “review process” (see Cordray, etc.) decided today that the “review process” was needed. Interesting.”—Cordray was not in the middle of a “review process”. Republican leaders refused to confirm him because the leadership did not want a person in position to enforce the law they wrote.

“He also decided that the 13k part-time and temporary jobs weren’t good enough, despite having pushed infrastructure reform and jobs, which (as we all know) are also part-time or temporary. Oh, and the labor unions (which support Obama) were for this project.”
— Republicans attached a rider to circumvent existing law/ practice.  He did this so that the review might continue.  Costs must be compared to benefits.  Really basic stuff here.

“So, in addition to reverse two previous Obama actions, he also decided that more oil on the oil market wouldn’t be a good thing for everyone, thus eventually increasing China’s wealth, continuing our reliance on oil from unfriendly foreign nations, costing Americans more and more for their fuel costs, and keeping 13k people who would be happy to have a job (even for a little while) out of work.”
— The pipeline is an export pipeline.  The oil will end up in China if the pipeline is built.  In fact, oil now flowing into the Midwest will likely be diverted to foreign markets like China.  The opposite of what you think.

“No, this was a decision he was forced into… but the reasoning was a political calculation, not principle. He knows that while the unions may be upset with him, they won’t switch sides or support someone else. However, upsetting the environmentalists could be more damaging, as they could call for a Ralph Nader-esque candidate in response. That person would draw votes from the environ folks, and (if they played their cards correctly) from the Occupy people (who are none too in love with Obama as it is).”
– The decision is bad for America.  The simple answer is better than your odd conspiracy.

“It was politics over America… again. Not to say he is unique in doing that. Only that he is no better than anyone else.”—You have it backwards… as I have documented.

Actually, the Canadians are going west to the Pacific.  The Canadian PM has basically said that if America prefers to buy oil from the Saudi’s, than we will sell to the Chinese.

Canada is currently preparing that pipeline, and is in hearings right now.

Which problem dearest Purveyor?

Does “XL” mean Extra Large or 40?

You mean like the 4.4 million jobs Bush killed in the last year of his Presidency?  LOL.  Obama never lost 750,000 jobs a month like Bush…yippeee!

No, like every American who buys oil.

You do have a point, any time a commodity trades, someone makes a profit.  But an increase in supply of a needed material, transported more cheaply and more safely than with tankers, this can only be a good thing.

At least until unicorn dust fuel becomes viable.

Try 5000 part time jobs…that’s what their application with the state department says.  Or you can just continue to make up numbers…LOL.  I know which one you’ll choose – it’s typical.

How is it worse?  During the Bush Recession we were lost 4.4 million jobs in ONE YEAR ALONE.  In just one month, Bush lost 750,000 jobs. 

Obama has never done that.  Do you want to go back to hemorrhaging jobs?  How is job growth for nearly 2 years straight worse than losing 4.4 millions jobs in a year?  Did you eat paint chips when you were a kid?

Go on…

It’s going to happen sooner or later, I just wish it were sooner.  Although the environmental movement came about by necessity it has morphed into something of a monster that does far more harm to its own credibility than good for the plants and wildlife it aims to protect.

I had a $60 mil 500kV transmission line shut down for 4 months while the environmental gestapo came in, pounding these little microphones into the dirt in an attempt to listen for a species of salamander that hadn’t been seen in decades (true story.)  To this day, no one knows the exact reason for why they came, but they were awfully adamant that their Ranger Rick uniforms gave them the authority to act like pricks because all contractors are evil who purposely try to destroy the environment (tongue in cheek, obviously.)  Since they were acting as an agent to the customer (a utility who will remain nameless) we didn’t give any push back, just made sure our mob/de-mob costs were covered. 

It’s sad because this self-important, high-nosed attitude is pervasive among the environmentalists that I’ve had to deal with, and thanks to the laws of unintended consequences, I know for a fact that an endangered animal that gets runover/injured is far more likely to be buried on the spot than to be reported to the “proper” authorities, because in a rough economy, it’s either the animal or a paycheck for most guys. 

A pipeline would be a much safer alternative to tankers from the middle east (as well as less polluting than those big ship engines), as a way to get oil to the US.

You would think that environmentalists would actually care about the environment.

The pipeline will not increase supply.  It will cut supply.  It is an export pipeline.  

Private Sector job growth has increase for two years…and that’s worse than during the Bush Recession when he lost 4.4 million jobs in one year and 750,000 jobs in one month alone?

Say that slowly…Bushy lost 4.4 MILLION JOBS in one year, and 750,000 in one month alone.

And Obama has 2 years of job growth, and that’s worse than 4.4 MILLION JOBS LOST in one year?

Frankly I don’t even know how you function with so few brain cells.

Hey Sissy, surely you can see that the recession only hit after the democrats took congress and control of the nations economy.  How big were the deficits, and how much unemployment was there before then.  And if you say the deficits were still too big under Bush even then, then that means you are against deficits and ought to be against Obama/Pelosi.  And don’t forget a little incident that happened in the first year-and-a-half of Bush’s presidency, when the financial centre of the nation was destroyed.

And you need to face facts: things are not getting better in the US.

You should not be fooled by Obama. Your either fooled or are one.

Well Rocket Scientist, are you going to post some more recent numbers from the 1800s?  LOL.

You mean the year that the democrats controlled the nation’s economy?  While not perfect, it was chugging along alright until the democrats won congress.

The point is that in almost 3 years of 0bama’s presidency, a record number of people depend on food stamps.  It’s very simple. 1 in 7 people use them.  Therefore, he is the “Food Stamp President.” 

Here’s some math…at the current rates, in 2015 we’ll have only $24 trillion of debt.  You should be proud of being an enabler of such a reckless spender.  Congratulations. 

BTW, I thought that the stimulus was supposed to reverse the unemployment trend and offer prosperity? At least there wasn’t a “mission accomplished” poster…huh?

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-09/news/30259697_1_unemployment-rate-president-obama-stimulus-plan

Good luck in 2012.  You are going to need it.

I don’t know if Obama is American or Kenyan, but he is definitely Chinese.

If the goal is to avoid tankers, then why is it that the proposed pipeline just so happens to end at the Gulf of Mexico?

Keep on shaking your money maker for multinational oil companies.

Wow, you found one positive statistic in an ocean of bad economic news.

And BTW, Bush never said ‘Mission Accomplished’, that ship’s captain put up the sign for his crew.  Read his speech from that day.

And when he supposedly said it, the economy was in far better shape by all indicators, including foreclosures.

You must be one of those proverbial suckers who are born every minute.
The new term for you is “liberals”

Stop being coy.

“Asking questions is easy, answering them is what’s difficult”

You failed to address my response to your original, pithy comment. Rather, you used an argumentation technique that changes, or clutters the subject so that your opponent (me) would waste time on ancillary issues. (I ignored the ruse)

Ergo, you know perfectly well what “the problem” is: Obama’s failed Presidency, and now, quite possibly, the intentionally, deliberately “failed presidency!” I made all this quite clear in my post, BUT, you equate intelligence with being equivocal, hence you attempted a diversion.

Allow me to reiterate: Obama “unequivocally said he could/would fix the problem” The PROBLEM is now much worse, that is failure by any definition!

You may choose to be coy or feign ignorance, either way its up to you?

Responding to Greg:

“Cordray”
That’s incorrect. They didn’t want him, because they didn’t want anyone. The group he’ll be heading is poorly defined, and there were questions about its authority and power. Cordray, himself, wasn’t the problem. But that’s only one example… who can forget “We have to pass it, to find out what’s in it?”

“Costs must be compared to benefits.”
Certainly. But how does that compare to the 13k jobs talking point? It doesn’t. So we can drop that argument that “13k” isn’t that much, or they’re “only temporary,” right?

“The pipeline is an export pipeline.”
Again, even if true (which I find suspect), it doesn’t matter. More oil on the market is a good thing, and lowers costs globally.

“The simple answer is better than your odd conspiracy.”
Not a conspiracy, just political theory. Which group is more likely to leave Obama… unions or environmentalists?

“This Obama decision will cause the Republican’s heads to explode!!”

This decision should cause the explosion of any head that buys gas, or food transported by vehicles that use oil products, or who rely on any transport other than a horse…

Obviously you’ve never heard of Carter.

And I have a feeling that when the damage of the Obama administration is tallied, Bush is going to look like a frikken genius.

I remember a guy named Newt having something to do with that.

In their application with the State Department TransCanada says the pipeline will only provide 5000 temporary jobs in the US…don’t believe the hype, believe TransCanada – TransCanada’s Presidential Permit application for Keystone XL to the
State Department indicated “a peak workforce of approximately 3,500 to
4,200 construction personnel” to build the pipeline.

Sissy, I guess you prefer having your lips around the Saudi’s rigs?  Yeah, Canada is so much worse than those guys!

Of course Canada would prefer to sell her oil to the US.  The strange thing is that the US seems to prefer to pay her enemies and then ship it around the world.

No matter who’s numbers you use…

Obama has been a disaster.

Keep pushing that boulder uphill…

I reject your assertion based on the veracity, or lack thereof, of your facts.

Furthermore, Mussolini made the trains run on time, therefore, Mussolini was a great leader is a fallacious argument! All Presidencies must be judged on the whole, not the sum of its parts. (Gestalt)

Purveyor

While there’s nothing wrong with fixing bridges, the best solution is to reduce the costs of running a business.  That means lower taxes, reduced regulation, and cheaper fuel.

Why didn’t you say “What’s another 100 million jobs” LOL.

XL as in “extra light” on jobs and benefits to the US…

And the skies will open up, giving way to a huge hand that will scoup up the United States and hurl it in the ocean, killing all except for Pat Roberts.  Hahaha.

The unions are screaming it’ll cost them 20,000 jobs alone. Obama said no today because Obama doesn’t want to loose his wacko base. Of course if Obama wins the election the plan will go full steam ahead.
Today’s decision is Obama simply playing on his bases ignorance once again. Remember, Any statement Obama has always has an expiration date attached…

Hahaha NorCal – you’re right!  Facts from the stone age scare us, becasue we can’t figure out why the Rocket Scientist is posting them!!!! Hahahaha…thanks NorCal (that’s a type of drug, right?)

Well, I am glad there are people out there checking on such stuff. But build the darn pipeline, even if they have to put some extra safeguards in. We still need oil

Awww, Rocket Scientist don’t get mad.  It’s just facts – no need to be afraid.  You want a nap or something snookums? Hahaha.

I look at many things before I consider the (R) or (D) after a president’s name.

I look mostly at the trend lines. Are things getting better or worse?

Did the president’s actions aid in that trend or inhibit it?

How much better or worse could things be if we’d gone in the opposite direction?

When I answer these questions, it’s not even a close calculation.

We went from a frightening free fall in 2008 to an undeniably improving economic picture. Not perfect and not fast enough. But definitely and unquestionably on an upward swing.

Wow, sounds like your crummy heavy metal really shook up some grey matter. He stole auto dealerships? Sort of hard to steal buildings and land. If the auto companies went out of business, all their dealerships would have folded alongside.

Clinton handed bush a surplus… bush handed obama a recession….

So if I am to summarize… “I don’t understand charts”. Is that what you are saying?

Just the type of argument I would expect from you A.S.K.

Wait, are you now going to try and pin this on Congress?  So it’s not the President’s fault?  Please, get your story straight…4.4M in job loses certainly wasn’t due to Obama’s policies that didn’t go into effect until well into 2009.

Purveyor, Obama has no intention of furthering interests pertaining to growth in US. He continues to advocate for green energy.  Even though there be wind turbines enough to occupy New Jersey,  and provide little contribution to our energy needs.

Every action, reaction has been to undermine this Nation, reducing US to a third world status.
He has no mindset with American growth , for he fundamentally at his core is not of  America, having been influenced all his life by Marxist theology.

As proof:  his utter disdain for our Constitution / Bill of Rights,  marginalizing Congress,  legislative process,  and settled law. 

A tyrant, or Dictator-in Chief?

I contend, he is well on his way in achieving his ultimate goal,  in his own words: “…fundamentally  changing America to his image”….not Ours.

If we give Obama the time he’ll reach that mark on his own.

Good morning JonasP. Are you awake now ? Good boy now get out of your pj’s and eat something.
Actually he closed 733 republican owned and 1 democrat owned car dealerships. He stole the stock holders money and gave it to the car unions to loose. They’re doing just what we expected with the money.

You seem to be under the impression that the Canadians give us oil for free out of the goodness of their hearts sweet Johnny.  You know we pay market price whether its the Canadians or Saudis, right?  This pipeline doesn’t give us some sort of deal on oil, like an employee discount lol.

Have you been living under a rock?  Obama stopped the Bush Recession in 2009, and we’ve experienced 24 months of job growth, not to mention the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P are all higher than when Obama took office.  That’s all good stuff, right?

Or you want to go back to losing 750,000 jobs a month like Bush’s last month?  Or 4.4 million jobs Bush incinerated in his last year?  Does that sound good Johnny?

Derp.

Did Obama change Food Stamp policies at all during his tenure to achieve such a goal? (a logical person would ask).  NO.  He didn’t change the program at all. 

So then are you saying the amount of people on Food Stamps is not directly related to unemployment and the size of the population?  I can’t figure out what you’re saying.

Your argument is akin to saying Obama is a terrorist killing machine because of all of the terrorists that have been killed under his Presidency.  That’s right, right?

Are you feeling OK purveyor, there’s a little smoke come out of your ears…lol.

Sure.  Bush loses 4.4million jobs in his last year…Obama gains jobs for 24 straight months and you think Obama will reach that mark?  LOL.

Why don’t you bring back your boy Bush and we’ll see how quick that dummy can put us all out of a job with cheap money and no regulations.

Wait – I thought it was Obama’s fault the economy collapsed..hahah.  Rubes.  Now you’re going to pin it on Congress?  Get a hold of yourself Johnny.  You’re like a drunk driver all over the road.

How about this Johnny – the economy was chugging along fine with surpluses and everything until Bush got into office.  Then BAMB.  The world sucks.

I don’t want any Bush or clone of Bush . He was a poor leader. Twelve times he tried to put a stop to the Freddy and Fanny mess and democrats always defeated the call. He knew the freeloaders & miss informed would kill the economy. See Rangel, Chris Cox, Barney Franks, Schumer,Kennedy. Bush couldn’t close the door with twelve tries. Why attack the music ? Ripping guitars are all through radio and highlights now.
divebomber.org is good music.

…and started passing all the banking laws and decided everyone, even illegals, should be able to buy a home. Remember BofA..no SS# required.  That’s what took our country down….Bush had little control but a democrat will never understand,

 Damned right.  No wonder Clinton went around with a hard on.

and a Republican Congress

you have that overseas jobs thing wrong….who is going to build the pipeline from Canada to Texas? 

what about the bread basket in California ]where the Democrats cut off the water over a 3″ fish…. that was a huge portion of the food for 50 states, or is it 57 as obama said?

ever hear of refineries??? 

This is how it will work.. In late 2013, almost one year into the new Republican administration  when unemployment rates goes from around 9% to around 5% the Dems still will not see the light. They will give credit to the Obama administration’s policies. 7 years later when the economy is still growing at 5% plus clip they will still be crediting Obama. 

Or if Obama happens to win reelection, God forbid, and 4 years later when unemployment is up to 15% and gas prices are up to $6 or $7 a gallon Dems will be pushing for the law to change so Obama can have a 3rd term explaining his Socialist/Green/Marxist agenda just haven’t had time to really sink in and work yet. While still blaming Bush for all our problems while still indoctrinating our kids into being good obedient Marxist.

At least as a Conservative we know when our guys messes out and does it wrong…(usually when compromising with the left).   I rarely see any leftist disagree with anything Obama does except when he isn’t socialist enough. It’s like he is some god like figure who can do no wrong or they are afraid of being labeled a racist for criticizing and black man and not sticking together for socialist cause.

No – this is how it will work.  In two years when a conservative is in office and rich people are kicking babies and shooting illegal immigrants they’ll all still be blaming Obama for not giving people making over $250k a tax break…

The fact of the matter is that it is not our oil and never will be – I see no reason to tear up our natural resources for something that is not ours

http://wordsofwhizdumb.com/2011/08/drool-baby-drool.html 

How can he compromise with crackpots who consider him an American hating antichrist out to destroy the country?

Lol!! =)

The whole thing is a private operation to benefit private individuals, am I correct on that? Why should we as a nation pay for that, to wit: with a two thousand mile environmental hazard running though our country. Are you crazy?

TransCan claims the work will add 13K jobs, not 100K.

“The agreement will provide TransCanada with a capable, well-trained and ready workforce in the U.S. to construct Keystone XL. During construction, the project is expected to create over seven million hours of labor and over 13,000 new jobs for American workers.”
http://www.transcanada.com/5493.html

Satire?

That is certainly only half of the solution, or a part of the solution. The other part is raising income. And raising income means higher taxes. We had much higher tax rates all during the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, until we significantly lowered the tax rates to their current level where the super wealthy and large corporations pay effectively 15% instead of, for example, 90% under Ike, or even 50% under Reagan. So of course we have big budget deficits, our income has been slashed.

I gather you have your own oil well or gas well and don’t need to purchase any.   You truly don’t understand much and clearly showed it.  

How many pipelines do you think are running through America at the moment?  Obviously not enough to make our energy independence 
feasible and so we have to deal with Countries that adore us!  

Good God.  How many people do you think this pipeline would directly and indirectly aid?  While building, and after it’s finished the jobs (permanent) that it produces.  The towns that are direct beneficiaries, etc.  

Don’t flatter yourself

NO COMMENT

LOL!

That is a grotesque oversimplification, bordering on deliberate deceit.

Purveyor

Thanks for creating all these jobs in the last three years, Barry!  Oops, got that wrong, didn’t I?  This son of a whore could care less about creating any jobs, can’t the Left see that?  Apparently not!  This is what happens when you vote someone into office who’s only accomplishment in life is being able to read a Dummy Board well!  Wake Up America!  If you hate your country and what it stands for, then vote for Obama in November.  If you love your country and want it to become great again, vote for any of the candidates except Obama!

NOTE:

Regarding my exchange with “GREG”:

GREG did not even have the social graces to address my response purposefully. 

Rather, and apparently, GREG has a prepared, generic text for defending Obama. (assume he has others, depending on subject matter)  

In the first paragraph, GREG calls it his “quick form argument,” which accounts for the fact as to why he did not actually confront my assertions directly.

Call this dismissive, rude, or even clever, its up to the reader?  However, I do not do such, rather, I try to account as best I can for each post sent my way.  

I suggest discourse would become tedious if one and all had “canned” responses, for all occasions?

Purveyor

Absolutely not, I firmly believe every word.

Disclosure dictates that I inform you of a comment I made in response to one of my own posts.  The comment is about your participation in this discussion.  

The comment is contained in the above scroll and if you wish to read it, that is your prerogative.

Purveyor

Increasing US oil production would (by marginally increasing world supply), at best, lower our oil prices by a few cents. You understand that, right? We are much better off continuing to buy foreign oil and keeping our oil reserves for a latter time.

I will bite. Your “proof”… Please be specific. Give examples of “disdain” for the Constitution, BoR, LegP, and Law.

 So, China approves of a move that denies them more oil . . .

(hint: the Keystone Oil would have gone into the world market, mostly to China!)

 A 3″ fish, which is eaten by bigger fish, which are eaten by even bigger fish.

One of those bigger fish is the Pacific Salmon, part of California’s multi-billion dollar fishing industry.  Do the math.

Oh, and that’s 50, 7; unless there’s evidence otherwise.

Don’t forget: most of that oil would have gone to China as well!

Never thought about that…thanks for the info

Look to Dodd and Frank for the mortgage crisis…the democrats decided everyone should own a house…they forgot not everyone can pay for one. Don’t you remember all the bank & mortgage companies, started by BofA advertising NO SS# REQUIRED

the keystone pipeline continues to be one of America’s
biggest issues. While we have environmental concerns for which we care so
adamantly we still haven’t taken care of our other problem, jobs.  The 20,000 jobs that the pipeline would
provide is not something we should necessarily just brush off (http://bit.ly/ytP77z).
There should be more consideration at the very least in putting people back to
work just as much as the environment is. This indecision really delivers a huge
blow to a lot of people who are looking to escape the trenches of unemployment,
so let’s be a little more decisive rather than just kicking the can down the
road on an issue that could have many benefits int eh future.