The Hits Keep Coming: Smoking Gun Reports Donald Trump Was A Draft Dodger

by Alex Alvarez | 10:41 am, April 29th, 2011

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So far Donald Trump has been creating buzz about whether or not he’ll run for president in 2012 by having made looking into Barack Obama‘s past – specifically, his birth certificate and college transcripts – his major focal points. But perhaps people in glass luxury hotels shouldn’t throw stones. Trump’s financial records and tax returns have already been a topic of discussion among those in the media, and Rand Paul recently demanded that Trump show his “original long-form certificate of Republican registration.” And, now, some digging around into Trump’s own past has revealed that the man who might maybe sort of possibly make a bid for President may have actively avoided serving his country. Keep in mind: Trump has made his own proposed plans regarding military action abundantly clear and also formerly attended the New York Military Academy.

This week, Trump discussed why he did not fight in the Vietnam War with local Fox affiliate WNYW:

I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number. I’ll never forget, that was an amazing period of time in my life.

I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to.

What Trump didn’t mention, however, was that he actively avoided serving. According to The Smoking Gun, the business mogul’s Selective Service records reveal that by the time his draft number – 356 – was drawn during the December 1, 1969 draft lottery, Trump had received four student deferments and one medical deferment. These can be seen in a document on file with the National Archives and Records Administration.

The Smoking Gun explains:

Trump obtained his first two Class 2-S student deferments in June 1964 and December 1965, when he was student at Fordham University in the Bronx. He was briefly reclassified as 1-A–or “available for military service”–in late-November 1966, but that classification was switched back to 2-S three weeks later.

Another 2-S deferment is dated January 16, 1968, just months before his graduation from UPenn (to which he transferred following his sophomore year at Fordham).

Following his UPenn graduation, Trump–no longer qualified for a 2-S deferment–was again briefly classified as available for service on July 9. However, three months later, on October 15, his classification was switched to 1-Y, which was given to men deemed qualified for military service “only in time of national emergency.”

The 1-Y classification came a month after Trump underwent an “Armed Forces Physical Examination,” according to Selective Service records, which note the results of the exam as “DISQ.” While the military records do not further detail why Trump was granted the 1-Y deferment, a 1992 biography of the businessman by journalist Wayne Barrett reported that Trump received a medical deferment following the September 17, 1968 exam.

Now. Who wants to participate in a The Last Word drinking game organized around what Lawrence O’Donnell might have to say about this? One shot for each look of unbridled glee, two shots for each mention of NBC, and an exploded liver every time he mentions that it’s not like Trump is going to run anyway.

h/t The Smoking Gun

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skyfet

So as W, Cheney, Limbaugh, Wolfowitz, Kristol and the rest of the warmongering phonies (almost).
skyfet

Phonies who were born with silver spoon in their mouth can find a way to avoid Military services, while the poor had no choice except if they were in higher education. Yet these phonies become Politicians, loud mouth on radio or an editor, talk tough for more wars, with other peoples children doing the fighting.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Clifford-EElisary/1434665168 Clifford E.Elisary

Another Republican “CHICKEN HAWK”, Jesus these people truly have no shame!!!!! Welcome to the World of Hardball Politics Donald, you RACIST A**HOLE!!!!
Resistance Is Futile

To be a right wing conservative is by definition is to be a lying hypocrite. They truly believe the rules apply to others and not them.

http://rss.thesmokinggun.com/file/trump-draft-deferment?page=0

Donald Trump Was A Draft Dodger (Now he is talking how militarily tough he is!) Here are the documents showing his deferments which rich kids used to avoid the horrible War In Vietnam.
http://www.loudcitizen.org CitizenK

I think a better term for Trump is “Death Dodger,” and I hand it to him for getting a great education and staying alive. Obama got a million dollar education, and what does he have to show for it? Doesn’t know shit about economics, business, or the Constitution. Double dumb-ass on Obama.
TillieGlockenspiel

Ummmm, Clinton, and Senator Blumenthal LIED about HIS “service” (and don’t tell me he “misspoke” himself). Scratch a man over the age of 55 and you’ll find that most in political life did NOT serve in Viet Nam. And, don’t bring up Gore (journalist job- protected group during Viet Nam) and Kerry (we all know about him).
TillieGlockenspiel

If we’re talking hypocrisy, can we talk about Bill Ayers and how the Left accords him deference?
TfT

What a hoot! Trump, still an undeclared candidate, has his background checked, double checked….going back years and years and years, and yet we want to see hehimself’s college records and we are deemed racists.

It is just too damn funny. and quite sickening.

Liberal media whores (word approved by NOW and the ladies of the view) are working overtime to undermine anyone who might ask their cult leader a hard question.

Unbelievable how the media will prostitute themselves for this guy.

And is mediaite still silent on the story about banning a journo because he actually reported on an Obama protest????
http://www.storminsmorningjava.blogspot.com/ stormin1961

Resistance Is Futile said:
To be a right wing conservative is by definition is to be a lying hypocrite. They truly believe the rules apply to others and not them. http://rss.thesmokinggun.com/file/trump-draft-deferment?page=0 Donald Trump Was A Draft Dodger (Now he is talking how militarily tough he is!) Here are the documents showing his deferments which rich kids used to avoid the horrible War In Vietnam.

well, i guess it takes one to know one. and since you didn’t condemn our first draft-dodging, foreign soil protesting, dooby smoking, whore chasing president Bill Clinton i don’t know where you have any room to condemn this one.
http://www.loudcitizen.org CitizenK

Is anyone alleging that Trump got deferments illegally, or by lying/fudging the truth, or using undue influence?

I’ve heard nothing to indicate that he ever did. We know that deferments for education and health happened all the time, by many people — not just the wealthy or privileged.

Who has information to the contrary? Anyone?
ElCapitanAmerica

CitizenK said:
I think a better term for Trump is “Death Dodger,” and I hand it to him for getting a great education and staying alive. Obama got a million dollar education, and what does he have to show for it? Doesn’t know shit about economics, business, or the Constitution. Double dumb-ass on Obama.

What does he have to show for it? He’s president of the United States, and unlike Trump had to work hard for it rather than just inheriting it from his dad. I think that shows a lot more merit.

As for being a “death dodger”, it is always legitimate to ask about this since the commander in chief has to send troops in harms way. However, people forget draft dodgers are not exclusive to Republicans, so let’s not be hypocrites about it.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek

Anyone else notice how the media acts as an attack dog against popular Republicans? You NEVER EVER see this sort of dirt digging done against Democrats. When the media does talk about dirt on Democrats, its only to debunk the claims.
http://www.loudcitizen.org CitizenK

Um, could you please tell me what Obama (peace be on him) ever “work hard” at, besides agitating people in Chicago and making the phoniest promises to get into office? Obama is a walking talking turd, and a truer word was never spoken. He’s also a lazy president, and Trump is calling him on it. Obama didn’t even publish anything when he was on the law review. Maybe he was too busy hanging around with all the right types of radical students.

And are you really foolish enough to think Trump didn’t work hard for what he got? He may have received an inheritance, but he has worked hard every day of his life, both in school and business. Daddy didn’t hand him his fortune. He earned it. He has built a stunning empire.

Obama has created ab-so-lute-ly NOTHING. NADA. ZIP. All he does is confiscate money via taxation, squander it, and destroy our country’s ability to create wealth.
VoiceofReason

skyfet said:
Phonies who were born with silver spoon in their mouth can find a way to avoid Military services, while the poor had no choice except if they were in higher education. Yet these phonies become Politicians, loud mouth on radio or an editor, talk tough for more wars, with other peoples children doing the fighting.

You shouldn’t be so hard on Bill Clinton.
VoiceofReason

TfT said:
And is mediaite still silent on the story about banning a journo because he actually reported on an Obama protest????

Not to be a dick but more to head off the inevitable bullshit from lickspittle toadies, it was a woman.

But to answer your question…….not a peep.

Here’s an article detailing what has been done to this lady.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/bronstein/detail?entry_id=87978
VoiceofReason

Clifford E.Elisary said:
Another Republican “CHICKEN HAWK”, Jesus these people truly have no shame!!!!! Welcome to the World of Hardball Politics Donald, you RACIST A**HOLE!!!!

Where and when did Barry serve? Yet he has zero compunction sending our children off to their deaths.

Hell at least Bush kicked ass and took names. Barry just puts them out handcuffed with asinine RoEs as targets. That is when he isn’t doing it illegally by attacking a country witout congressional approval.

Bush, the war criminal, got AUMFs for both Afghanistan and Iraq by overwhelming bi-partisan votes.

Barry, the chickenhawk crook and liar couldn’t even be bothered.

Wear that proud asshat.
http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

I realize “draft dodger” has become shorthand, but I’m not sure it applies here.

Dronetek said:
Anyone else notice how the media acts as an attack dog against popular Republicans? You NEVER EVER see this sort of dirt digging done against Democrats. When the media does talk about dirt on Democrats, its only to debunk the claims.

As @VoiceofReason and @TillieGlockenspiel have both alluded, the media went all out investigating Candidate Clinton’s draft status; Candidates Blumenthal and Kerry’s service have also been put under the microscope.
carolyn

it’s so sad how they investigate him so quickly because he is not a negro. most unchristian of the left.
VoiceofReason

Resistance Is Futile said:
To be a right wing conservative is by definition is to be a lying hypocrite. They truly believe the rules apply to others and not them. http://rss.thesmokinggun.com/file/trump-draft-deferment?page=0 Donald Trump Was A Draft Dodger (Now he is talking how militarily tough he is!) Here are the documents showing his deferments which rich kids used to avoid the horrible War In Vietnam.

And where and when did Bill Clinton serve? Or Barry?
VoiceofReason

Magister said:
I realize “draft dodger” has become shorthand, but I’m not sure it applies here. As @VoiceofReason and @TillieGlockenspiel have both alluded, the media went all out investigating Candidate Clinton’s draft status; Candidates Blumenthal and Kerry’s service have also been put under the microscope.

Blumenthal LIED and was given a pass. Hardly what I would even “kindly” label “microscopic” investigation. So did Kerry and the ONLY folks to do any sort of investigating other than accepting anecdotal testimonials from like minded toadies was the Swift boaters and they were ostracized so bad by the media I doubt many folks will ever make that mistake again.

Sorry…..but this attempt at equivalence is weak sauce.

You seem like a decent enough sort……why can’t you folks ever own anything? Why is it always somebody else’s fault? Or why when sans a scapegoat is it either they do it first or do it more?

I just don’t get it.
ElCapitanAmerica

CitizenK said:
Um, could you please tell me what Obama (peace be on him) ever “work hard” at, besides agitating people in Chicago and making the phoniest promises to get into office? Obama is a walking talking turd, and a truer word was never spoken. He’s also a lazy president, and Trump is calling him on it. Obama didn’t even publish anything when he was on the law review. Maybe he was too busy hanging around with all the right types of radical students.

Look, I get that you don’t like the president of the United States, you have every right to do so. But you are saying he never accomplished something, this is objectively a false statement. At the very least he has accomplished a list of things that a person would qualify as successful, principal among them getting elected as president.

If you don’t think getting elected as president of the United States is an achievement unto itself, please let me know and the conversation is over right there. I have great love for my country and part of it means I greatly admire the office of the presidency, no matter who holds it and what party they belong to. We have a great system, that warts and all, works and the presidency is part of that.

And are you really foolish enough to think Trump didn’t work hard for what he got? He may have received an inheritance, but he has worked hard every day of his life, both in school and business. Daddy didn’t hand him his fortune. He earned it. He has built a stunning empire.

You know, I think you are right. We shouldn’t dismiss the work Trump has done to make money. But you can’t deny he is what he is because of his dad’s fortune. There’s nothing wrong with having a rich dad, heck I wouldn’t mind swapping inheritance with him, but you can’t just dismiss the fact that he was born into great wealth while most people are not.

When comparing accomplishments, it is not hard to merit the person that didn’t come from an ultra rich background, you know, like Trump’s dad.

Obama has created ab-so-lute-ly NOTHING. NADA. ZIP. All he does is confiscate money via taxation, squander it, and destroy our country’s ability to create wealth.

You can’t separate the office of the presidency with your politics. I get that. But it still doesn’t mean that becoming president of the United States is a great accomplishment by itself.

BTW I’m puzzled by the “confiscate money via taxation”, are you against taxes??? Do you hate all US presidents because none of them have ever said we shouldn’t collect taxes.
OxyCon

As I’ve stated on numerous occasions, if you dare to criticize Obama, the media will swiftly work you over and give you the “Sarah Palin” treatment…the same media which STILL hasn’t vetted Obama will spare no effort to find damaging information on Obama’s opponents.
http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

VoiceofReason said:
You seem like a decent enough sort……why can’t you folks ever own anything? Why is it always somebody else’s fault? Or why when sans a scapegoat is it either they do it first or do it more?

I don’t see anything for me to “own”. I didn’t look up Trump’s draft status and it wasn’t done by a secret committee. Instead, a for-proft enterprise researched a question in hopes that it would generate traffic and it appears to have worked.

I mean, why do you think “Fox & Friends” gave Trump a regular spot on the morning after his reality show? I’m sure it isn’t to selflessly promote his program on NBC in which Fox has no financial interest. It was because for a few weeks, he’d be good for traffic.
Republitarian

Can someone please tell me in what year was Joe Biden drafted, and in what branch of service did he complete his service. But, it’s clear Biden served, right? If he didn’t, I’m SURE that there were stories written about his deferments too, correct?
angryviewer

Unless my math is off, the draft lottery was a year and a half after Trump graduated from Penn, so I question his recollection of the day. However, Trump played well within the rules of avoiding service, albeit when the aid of an occasional well-written doctor’s note. Also, I wonder if all you sanctimonious commenters would be rushing off to war if military service was mandatory then or now. If you want us to pull out of Afghanistan, re-institute the draft.
Alice67

Let the public shaming continue.
Pablo

Resistance Is Futile said:
To be a right wing conservative is by definition is to be a lying hypocrite.

Trump is not a right wing conservative, armwood. Check his recent political donations. Educate yourself. You need it, badly.

Also, Trump is not running. Anyone who’s actually been buying THIS quadrennial Trump Publicity Tour is a fool, or a member of the MSM. Or both.
Newsjunky

Tee hee! I will enjoy the incoming Trump implosion. What a tool.
valkyrie101

Pablo said:
Trump is not a right wing conservative, armwood. Check his recent political donations. Educate yourself. You need it, badly. Also, Trump is not running. Anyone who’s actually been buying THIS quadrennial Trump Publicity Tour is a fool, or a member of the MSM. Or both.

Oops, now that the birther scam has been outed, the conservatives who whored with Trump on that, are turning on him.
Pablo

Republitarian said:
Can someone please tell me in what year was Joe Biden drafted, and in what branch of service did he complete his service. But, it’s clear Biden served, right? If he didn’t, I’m SURE that there were stories written about his deferments too, correct?

Biden might not have been able to pass the ASVAB.

VoiceofReason said:
Not to be a dick but more to head off the inevitable bullshit from lickspittle toadies, it was a woman.

But to answer your question…….not a peep.

Here’s an article detailing what has been done to this lady.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/bronstein/detail?entry_id=87978

Most Transparent Administration Evah!
Pablo

valkyrie101 said:
Oops, now that the birther scam has been outed, the conservatives who whored with Trump on that, are turning on him.

Name them.
Pablo

Newsjunky said:
Tee hee! I will enjoy the incoming Trump implosion. What a tool.

Trump will always be Trump. And Trump will always be an effective attention whore. Count on it.
Nacho

It’s confirmed, Donald Trump is a certified Republican.
Pablo

Nacho said:
It’s confirmed, Donald Trump is a certified Republican.

Oh, no it isn’t. We need to see his documents.
Barack Must Go

The bottom line is Trump whether Republican, democrat or even if we find he, like Barack, is a secret muslim is exactly what this country needs n a president at this place and time in our history.

The left, right and everybody in between can ask whatever they like, The Donald will either produce the document, answer the question or tell the asking individual to go _____ him/her self.

The ” real ” American people, non matter who spins it to the contrary are either all in, or intrigued enough to stay along for the ride a bit longer.

Trump is not only Obama’s worse nightmare, but that of all Republican comers as well as the broad spectrum of the press.

Donald Trump is a ” true ” American contender, against Barack that’s more of a gender bender, that can only mean one thing, that’s ” BOOM ” goes the Obama’s chances dynamite.
jakester

Pablo said:
Trump is not a right wing conservative, armwood. Check his recent political donations. Educate yourself. You need it, badly.
(But he sure is going out of his way to pander to those mental midgets?)

Also, Trump is not running. Anyone who’s actually been buying THIS quadrennial Trump Publicity Tour is a fool, or a member of the MSM. Or both..

(Really, this is the first time he ever went this far, and he’s being touted by many of the feeders in the RW media as their next white knight. You know someone is a simple minded rw jerk when they have to reference the MSM constantly when the garbage they feed on is way worse)
jakester

Pablo said:
Oh, no it isn’t. We need to see his documents.

Scheisskopf, that can be handled in about a minute just by changing his voter registration card.
jakester

CitizenK said:
Um, could you please tell me what Obama (peace be on him) ever “work hard” at, besides agitating people in Chicago and making the phoniest promises to get into office? Obama is a walking talking turd, and a truer word was never spoken. He’s also a lazy president, and Trump is calling him on it. Obama didn’t even publish anything when he was on the law review. Maybe he was too busy hanging around with all the right types of radical students.

And are you really foolish enough to think Trump didn’t work hard for what he got? He may have received an inheritance, but he has worked hard every day of his life, both in school and business. Daddy didn’t hand him his fortune. He earned it. He has built a stunning empire.

Obama has created ab-so-lute-ly NOTHING. NADA. ZIP. All he does is confiscate money via taxation, squander it, and destroy our country’s ability to create wealth.

AS soon as you through your cheap Muslim reference, you revealed yourself as another stupid lying rw sack of garbage.
TangledThorns

Draft dodger? That won’t get very far, especially after America voted in a fool who didn’t even know we had a Coast Guard.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1210/is_that_what_i_heard_60e2e663-3a68-4616-a7ee-2413fe2c3461.html
Paul G

Trump is learning/learned what it is to run as a republican. The LSM that USED to love him, will turn on a dime. And that’s a good thing…I’m just surprised they are doing it so fast. He should’nt/ can’t be our nominee.
newzmaker

I don’t believe Trump is serious about running for prez,, but I do believe Trump is having a great time mocking the pretentious left-wing media, for its unabashed support for a president, based only on his skin color. Why, oh, why, do liberals always have to ‘prove’ they are not racists? White guilt? Political correctness? Both of the above?
http://www.facebook.com/people/Jay-Ray/100000280184693 Jay Ray

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEse — Don’t Quote The Smoking Gun!!! They want RON PAUL as President!!! YUUUUUK!!!!!!!
Obama NEVER served in ANY Military service – the only thing he serves is HIMSELF and serves up LIES on a Daily basis. How do yopu like that FORGERY CRIMINAL FAKE Birth Certification of Live Birth — It”s a TOTAL FORGERY AND FAKE!!!! Obama must go to PRISON — now!!!

Bill Clinton was a certified DRAFT DODGER. Clinton fled to England for “education” purposes – and dodged the draft that way…………………… Besides WHO CARES If and when Trump did not serve???????? Is this ALL they have??? PLEEEEESE tell me that they have MORE than this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha !!

TRUMP is the BEST CHOICE– NO NAMBY PAMBY, effeminate, weaklings Need apply — we need a STRONG Candidate LIKE DONALD TRUMP —– HOPEFULLY he will keep on keepin’ on……………………………………..

GO TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Real Conservatives Only

Rather have a draft dodger than a guy born in Kenya who faked his own birth certificate any day.
Snidely

Well, at least Trump was smart enough to figure out America was being scammed by charlatans like LBJ and Robert McNamara, and avoided putting his butt on the line. Me, I got scammed. More power to him.
ElCapitanAmerica

Real Conservatives Only said:
Rather have a draft dodger than a guy born in Kenya who faked his own birth certificate any day.

Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Do you think the earth is flat or round?
Does the earth move around the sun or is it the other way around?
Real Conservatives Only

ElCapitanAmerica said:
Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Do you think the earth is flat or round?
Does the earth move around the sun or is it the other way around?

Of course you Barry Soetero lovers are going to defend him no matter what. But the smart people who have been studying this know the truth. Barry isn’t very good at hiding his past you see, not releasing an Easter statement sent the signal to the Muslims around the world that Barry is one of them, then when he produced that forgery of a birth certificate he told the world.
Paul G

Jay Ray said:
PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEse — Don’t Quote The Smoking Gun!!! They want RON PAUL as President!!! YUUUUUK!!!!!!!
Obama NEVER served in ANY Military service – the only thing he serves is HIMSELF and serves up LIES on a Daily basis. How do yopu like that FORGERY CRIMINAL FAKE Birth Certification of Live Birth — It’’s a TOTAL FORGERY AND FAKE!!!! Obama must go to PRISON — now!!!

Bill Clinton was a certified DRAFT DODGER. Clinton fled to England for “education” purposes – and dodged the draft that way…………………… Besides WHO CARES If and when Trump did not serve???????? Is this ALL they have??? PLEEEEESE tell me that they have MORE than this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha !!

TRUMP is the BEST CHOICE– NO NAMBY PAMBY, effeminate, weaklings Need apply — we need a STRONG Candidate LIKE DONALD TRUMP —– HOPEFULLY he will keep on keepin’ on……………………………………..

GO TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</block

Neither Trump OR Paul should be our nominee. I'm still waiting.
Pablo

Barack Must Go said:
The bottom line is Trump whether Republican, democrat or even if we find he, like Barack, is a secret muslim is exactly what this country needs n a president at this place and time in our history.

Oh, hell no. Trump would be a disaster. We talk about Presidents wiping their ass with the Constitution. Trump would actually, literally, do it.

This is a guy who’s come out for eminent domain, single payer health care, massive taxes and a laundry list of things that should make a conservative run like hell from him. No. Frigging. Way.
ElCapitanAmerica

Real Conservatives Only said:
Of course you Barry Soetero lovers are going to defend him no matter what. But the smart people who have been studying this know the truth. Barry isn’t very good at hiding his past you see, not releasing an Easter statement sent the signal to the Muslims around the world that Barry is one of them, then when he produced that forgery of a birth certificate he told the world.

You didn’t answer any of those questions … which is a bit disturbing.

So why do you think the birth certificate is fake, please illustrate us with some facts. You say you are one of the “smart people” (to be fairly honest with you, I suspect you are not one at all but I’ll be fair) and have been “studying this”, please tell us how the BC is fake. What’s your expert analysis, we’re all ears.
Pablo

jakester said:
Scheisskopf, that can be handled in about a minute just by changing his voter registration card.

Those things are dated, dumbass.
Real Conservatives Only

ElCapitanAmerica said:
You didn’t answer any of those questions … which is a bit disturbing.

So why do you think the birth certificate is fake, please illustrate us with some facts. You say you are one of the “smart people” (to be fairly honest with you, I suspect you are not one at all but I’ll be fair) and have been “studying this”, please tell us how the BC is fake. What’s your expert analysis, we’re all ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yybrzkfSVhg
CAconservative

Alice67:

Public shaming of who? Who got played in this little Birth Certificate issue? It certainly wasn’t Trump was it? Obimbo found out he’s subject to the same requirement to hold office as everyone else, didn’t he?! One man made this little inept man of yours cower like the little inept egomeniacal clown he is! I’ll bet he’s going to have to see psychologist’s for years when his inept butt is thrown out of office! I can see 2012 Alice, can you?
valkyrie101

Pablo said:
Name them.

So you are no longer a birther? I mean we know you are not that keen on Trump.
Old Duffer

Dast speak ill of Obama, is a guarantee the liberal media hoards will investigate every aspect of one’s personal life. But when it comes to Obama’s totally unknown dubious past, the sound of crickets chirping issues.

Thanks to FOI act, we find Obama’s daddy (maybe) was a “slippery character” (so said Harvard) who was deported (thrown out) from the US. Seems HI was first, then even Harvard wanted him out. He was a bigamist with too many wives (Polygamy) and impregnating too many underage girls and abortions. Obama’s “Dreams Of My Father” was a fabricated bald faced lie by Obama. (ghost written by domestic terrorist Bill Ayers)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1419&bih=614&rlz=1R2ADFA_enUS426&q=Obama+senior%5Ca+slippery+character&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
ElCapitanAmerica

Real Conservatives Only said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yybrzkfSVhg

Perfect.

So if you go into Adobe Acrobat and use the default settings to create a PDF from a scanner (and turn off OCR), you’ll notice that Acrobat compresses the images in the documents with 3 different compression algorithms and segments the images into different XObjects (image rasters).

This technique is called “mixed raster content” compression, usually abriviated as MRC compression. You can read wikipedia for a description of XObjects and their compression algorithms or open up the PDF spec (long document) to see that it allows for this.

The morons opening this in illustrator don’t even understand that these XObjects are not even layers in the first place, that’s how Adobe chose to interpret the XObject elements from PDF in Illustrator, separating them into “layers”.

Please refute what I’m saying with technical details (I’ll give you a warning, this is my professional and Masters level academic area), or admit that you don’t know what you are talking about.

Thanks
newzmaker

Can Americans really depend on media honesty anymore? 99% of media outlets and personalities are proud political activists. When did the American media become a joke? Why don’t we have one professional journalist, who will publicly pound politically active journalists? The American media sucks and is an embarrassment.
ElCapitanAmerica

Forgot to add, you can see conservative NRO replicating what I just described above and debunking this idiocy.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding

… like shooting fish in a barrel.
valkyrie101

CAconservative said:
Alice67: Public shaming of who? Who got played in this little Birth Certificate issue? It certainly wasn’t Trump was it? Obimbo found out he’s subject to the same requirement to hold office as everyone else, didn’t he?! One man made this little inept man of yours cower like the little inept egomeniacal clown he is! I’ll bet he’s going to have to see psychologist’s for years when his inept butt is thrown out of office! I can see 2012 Alice, can you?

Nice spin, but no, Obama got at least a small slam on that hand. But Trump has pride and if the poles still show him in the lead in a couple weeks, why should he back off? If going after Trump by main stream republican politicians and pundits becomes popular (and to be sure, Trump is an easy target) and the Donald gets pissed off, he knows there could be no bigger reality show than a third party run with Sarah. In 2012, if you are a conservative republican, you may see devastation.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Morris-Wise/100001518338979 Morris Wise

Graduates choosing public service jobs over those of the private sector deserve our admiration. But their choice is usually made because of their lack of ability to manage even a small convenience store. To correct this imbalance applicants for government jobs should have at least one years experience running a small business. Letting the mentally challenged work the counter of a fast food restaurant rather than servicing public sector needs makes good business sense.
notsofast

Why this means Trump can only be VP!
ChiliPeppersFan

ElCapitanAmerica said:
Perfect.

So if you go into Adobe Acrobat and use the default settings to create a PDF from a scanner (and turn off OCR), you’ll notice that Acrobat compresses the images in the documents with 3 different compression algorithms and segments the images into different XObjects (image rasters).

This technique is called “mixed raster content” compression, usually abriviated as MRC compression. You can read wikipedia for a description of XObjects and their compression algorithms or open up the PDF spec (long document) to see that it allows for this.

The morons opening this in illustrator don’t even understand that these XObjects are not even layers in the first place, that’s how Adobe chose to interpret the XObject elements from PDF in Illustrator, separating them into “layers”.

Please refute what I’m saying with technical details (I’ll give you a warning, this is my professional and Masters level academic area), or admit that you don’t know what you are talking about.

Thanks

it makes no difference to the people. they either don’t see him as president ideologically or, which is more often the case, these people hate him so much for some reason they will go to any means to make their justification that he isn’t good enough to be our president.
Real Conservatives Only

ElCapitanAmerica said:
Perfect.

So if you go into Adobe Acrobat and use the default settings to create a PDF from a scanner (and turn off OCR), you’ll notice that Acrobat compresses the images in the documents with 3 different compression algorithms and segments the images into different XObjects (image rasters).

This technique is called “mixed raster content” compression, usually abriviated as MRC compression. You can read wikipedia for a description of XObjects and their compression algorithms or open up the PDF spec (long document) to see that it allows for this.

The morons opening this in illustrator don’t even understand that these XObjects are not even layers in the first place, that’s how Adobe chose to interpret the XObject elements from PDF in Illustrator, separating them into “layers”.

Please refute what I’m saying with technical details (I’ll give you a warning, this is my professional and Masters level academic area), or admit that you don’t know what you are talking about.

Thanks

More liberal spin from the Socialists. Van Jones wants his degree back from Bill Ayers U.
ChiliPeppersFan

newzmaker said:
Can Americans really depend on media honesty anymore? 99% of media outlets and personalities are proud political activists. When did the American media become a joke? Why don’t we have one professional journalist, who will publicly pound politically active journalists? The American media sucks and is an embarrassment.

i agree. if they did their jobs we would have never gone to iraq, we would have had a better chance of catching bin laden, and we would have billions of more dollars right now.
Pablo

H

valkyrie101 said:
So you are no longer a birther? I mean we know you are not that keen on Trump.

When was I a birther? Never.
ChiliPeppersFan

Real Conservatives Only said:
More liberal spin from the Socialists. Van Jones wants his degree back from Bill Ayers U.

did you stamp your feet or hold your breath when you were disputing his facts?
ElCapitanAmerica

Real Conservatives Only said:
More liberal spin from the Socialists. Van Jones wants his degree back from Bill Ayers U.

What’s the spin, the PDF specification is a socialist instrument? Have you read the PDF spec?

Do you know what a raster is?

Notice that you couldn’t come up with 1 technical argument to refute what I just wrote, you’re not fooling anyone. But I am curious, do you know you are so delusional? My theory is that nobody can be this stupid, however, I’m starting to think some of you really believe this stuff either out of a mental disorder or just plain intellectual incapacity.

But please, you said you studied it, let’s see your technical argument for why this document is fake, or just be an adult and admit you don’t know what you are talking about.
VoiceofReason

Magister said:
I don’t see anything for me to “own”. I didn’t look up Trump’s draft status and it wasn’t done by a secret committee. Instead, a for-proft enterprise researched a question in hopes that it would generate traffic and it appears to have worked. I mean, why do you think “Fox & Friends” gave Trump a regular spot on the morning after his reality show? I’m sure it isn’t to selflessly promote his program on NBC in which Fox has no financial interest. It was because for a few weeks, he’d be good for traffic.

Still, nothing you say above goes remotely to answering anything I asked.

WTF does it matter if somebody did the same bad thing as you? What does it matter if they did it more? Or first?

Oh and when you aren’t doing one of the above…..you trot out this stuff above……”what”?????? “It wasn’t me!!!” “some nebulous third party did it”

Whatever it is, it always boils down to the left NEVER taking responsibility for it’s fvck ups. People or actions. Edwards gets caught diddling the help while his wife rots from cancer and instead of running this hairdo with a pulse out of town and ostracizing him so that he rightly never shows his face in decent company again…..it’s all excuses. Well Well Well…..Newt ran around on his wife and she was dying…….so and so did it first………that guy over there did it more.

Even when caught dead bang at it……it’s always about something or somebody else.

Ya’ll do a butt ton of stuff but don’t own shit.

Man.
murf

Just like there sent over a dozen reporters to Wasilla to dig up dirt on Palin ,while doing little to no vetting on Barry , The Obama Palace Guardians are at it back at it again. Pathetic .
ChiliPeppersFan

Pablo said:
Most Transparent Administration Evah!

most transparent since before the cheney administration. (oh, and that’s pronounced ‘cheeny’ )

*anybody know the reference?
murf

They * not there
DaTruth

Hey Alverez, if you’re going to use the term “Draft Dodger”, you better know what the hell it means. Obviously you have NO CLUE. Take a look, and then tell me how Trump fits into this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_dodger
ChiliPeppersFan

murf said:
Just like there sent over a dozen reporters to Wasilla to dig up dirt on Palin ,while doing little to no vetting on Barry , The Obama Palace Guardians are at it back at it again. Pathetic .

they were just too busy calling him a socialist and touting all the terrorists he used to hang around with.
they didn’t feel like digging up anything embarrassing about him.
Newsjunky

valkyrie101 said:
Oops, now that the birther scam has been outed, the conservatives who whored with Trump on that, are turning on him.

Of course they are. It was predictable. What they don’t realize is how much damage they are doing to their party (which I don’t mind, of course) by backing these tools. The Republican party, thanks to the likes of Trump, Bachmann, Gingrich, Humpabee, Palin, et al…, looks like a fringe party run by crazy people. I hope they keep trotting out these trolls. They are handing the Democrats the election in 2012. There aren’t enough crazy people in the country to vote for their crazy people. Thank you! Muahhh!
VoiceofReason

Pablo said:
H When was I a birther? Never.

I’ll bet you’ve stopped beating your wife too Pablo.

they are too funny when they get in a lather huh?

fling my poo and who cares where it lands.

don’t let them bother you.
VoiceofReason

ChiliPeppersFan said:
most transparent since before the cheney administration. (oh, and that’s pronounced ‘cheeny’ ) *anybody know the reference?

AND……STOP THE PRESSES…….NEWSFLASH!!!!!!!!

The ONLY admin since Bush/Cheney

Dumbass
VoiceofReason

Newsjunky said:
Of course they are. It was predictable. What they don’t realize is how much damage they are doing to their party (which I don’t mind, of course) by backing these tools. The Republican party, thanks to the likes of Trump, Bachmann, Gingrich, Humpabee, Palin, et al…, looks like a fringe party run by crazy people. I hope they keep trotting out these trolls. They are handing the Democrats the election in 2012. There aren’t enough crazy people in the country to vote for their crazy people. Thank you! Muahhh!

Weren’t morons like you spitting the same yang just 8 months ago or so?

How’d that work out for ya dickweed?
ohwell

VoiceofReason said:
Weren’t morons like you spitting the same yang just 8 months ago or so?

How’d that work out for ya dickweed?

Looks like it ain’t working out too well for you c*cksuckers either……all of these idiotic, c*ck-licking cons are still too pussy to formally declare their presidency. Wonder why? Oh yeah – because they’re chicken S HIT…just like Mr. “Voiceofreason”
http://politicallyincorrectlibertarian.wordpress.com PoliticallyIncorrectLibertarian

So what? Obama didn’t even serve in the military.

Let’s see if we understand liberal logic.

Bill Clinton: It’s ok to dodge the draft.

George W. Bush: Coward for serving in the National Guard.

John Kerry: OMG! He’s a Vietnam vet, we have to love him.

John McCain: Careful! The vietcong drove him crazy or “he lied about being tortured.”

Obama: Military? Who cares? He went to Harvard! He’s a community organizer! He’s black! Let’s elect the bastard.

So liberals, when is it ok to like or hate the military? You people seem all over the place.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com

I don’t care if Trump didn’t serve, the military isn’t for everyone.
murf

ChiliPeppersFan said:
they were just too busy calling him a socialist and touting all the terrorists he used to hang around with.
they didn’t feel like digging up anything embarrassing about him.

Newsjunky said:
Of course they are. It was predictable. What they don’t realize is how much damage they are doing to their party (which I don’t mind, of course) by backing these tools. The Republican party, thanks to the likes of Trump, Bachmann, Gingrich, Humpabee, Palin, et al…, looks like a fringe party run by crazy people. I hope they keep trotting out these trolls. They are handing the Democrats the election in 2012. There aren’t enough crazy people in the country to vote for their crazy people. Thank you! Muahhh!

And Obama wasn’t a fringe candidate ? Most ” Liberal ” senator ?
TerryDo

This is a tough occupation for Donald Trump; he is deciding whether to run for the presidency and at the same time Vetting Barack Hussein Obama II, because the democratic and republican party did not carefully examine Obama.

And what kind of power do you instantly get that you can shut down all information about yourself like Obama did. He locked up all his personal records from his birth, medical, educational, financial records in Chicago, associations and political supporters and now finally the Federal Election Commission is auditing Obama’s funny money funds raised in 2008.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4656823/fec-to-audit-obama-2008-fundraising/
ChiliPeppersFan

murf said:
And Obama wasn’t a fringe candidate ? Most ” Liberal ” senator ?

it’s a shame it was only hannity bashing that point home…oh, wait.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-502163_162-3775451-502163.html
meena140

The Bozo keeps on giving.
murf

ChiliPeppersFan said:
it’s a shame it was only hannity bashing that point home…oh, wait.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-502163_162-3775451-502163.html

I give you credit , not a lot people defend the media’s favoritism towards Obama in 08′ … Not even honest liberals , but hey , you’re an Olbermann fan , I can’t say I’m surprised .
Darr247

DaTruth chooses to prevaricate using the ‘by ommission’ clause.

From the ‘comparison section’ of that wikipeeing article:
Just as tax avoidance is defined as reducing or eliminating one’s tax liability through legal means, draft avoidance is the elimination or mitigation of a potential conscript’s military service obligation through some lawful procedure. The term draft dodging is sometimes used more loosely (and to some inappropriately) to describe draft avoidance.

So, by DaTruth’s logic, Nixon really WAS a convicted felon (like most repugnicans), since the only way he didn’t go to jail for watergate was his pardon by Ford; likewise, Carter pardoned those who went to Canada to avoid the draft, thus making their ‘dodging’ legal, ergo “avoidance” instead.
murf

Oh and it took conservatives like Hannity pounding Ayers , Wright , for weeks before the MSM FINALLY picked up on it .
TillieGlockenspiel

The “story” of Obama’s birth, according to “Dreams”: Poor, but brilliant Kenyan goatherd comes to US college because of Kennedy, meets and marries beautiful Kansas girl who gives birth the future president of the United States. Brilliant father sadly must leave his wife and child in care of her parents while he goes to Harvard to get his Phd in Economics so that he can lead his country to wealth. Sadly, Doctor of Economics dies in car accident.

The real story of Obama’s family: English-speaking Christian schooled brilliant Kenyan CLERK gets independent scholarship during the Eisenhower presidency to go to school in Hawaii, leaving Kenyan wife and two children back in home country. Meets Marxist sympathizing girl whose mother is in management at an Hawaiian bank. Girl gets pregnant and after baby is born, moves with her TWO WEEK OLD infant to Washington State to go to college. Father of child leaves Hawaii for Harvard BEFORE wife and child return to Hawaii. Officials at Harvard never bestow Phd on father, though he later represents himself as “Doctor” Obama. Officials at Harvard worried about his wife in Kenya and “wife” in Hawaii and calling him a “slippery” character, revoke his student status and the “brilliant” man is sent back to Nairobi.

http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2011/04/29/elder_obama_denied_harvard_phd/?page=full

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_obama_lie_that_drove_the_b.html

“There was no Obama family, never was, no “abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation” save on the teleprompters at the 2004 convention”

“Knowing that Obama was capable of lying about the first two years of his life, they had no reason to believe he was telling the truth about his birth, especially given the lengths he had gone to in order to protect his birth certificate.”

“For their part, the major media — almost to a person — were doing everything in their power to protect the lie. This was unprecedented on the sunny side of the Iron Curtain. The birthers had absolutely no reason to believe the media.”
TillieGlockenspiel

TerryDo said:
This is a tough occupation for Donald Trump; he is deciding whether to run for the presidency and at the same time Vetting Barack Hussein Obama II, because the democratic and republican party did not carefully examine Obama.

And what kind of power do you instantly get that you can shut down all information about yourself like Obama did. He locked up all his personal records from his birth, medical, educational, financial records in Chicago, associations and political supporters and now finally the Federal Election Commission is auditing Obama’s funny money funds raised in 2008.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4656823/fec-to-audit-obama-2008-fundraising/

Well, FINALLY- are they going to do anything about those “undisclosed” donations from pre-paid credit cards? Probably not.
SeanW

He got student deferments….. a whole lot of people did. Then he went and got a physical and they DQ’d him… so? This is not a draft dodger, my grandfather was deemed ineligible for service in World War II because he was flat-footed and as far as I know that was still a disqualifying condition up through the 80′s. All this means is……. nothing lol.
DaTruth

Darr247 said:
DaTruth chooses to prevaricate using the ‘by ommission’ clause.

From the ‘comparison section’ of that wikipeeing article:
Just as tax avoidance is defined as reducing or eliminating one’s tax liability through legal means, draft avoidance is the elimination or mitigation of a potential conscript’s military service obligation through some lawful procedure. The term draft dodging is sometimes used more loosely (and to some inappropriately) to describe draft avoidance.

So, by DaTruth’s logic, Nixon really WAS a convicted felon (like most repugnicans), since the only way he didn’t go to jail for watergate was his pardon by Ford; likewise, Carter pardoned those who went to Canada to avoid the draft, thus making their ‘dodging’ legal, ergo “avoidance” instead.

No, douchebag…by my logic, I actually use accepted definitions of the terminology, period. A deferment (which thousands of people got during this era) was in no way illegal, nor did it constitute hiding somewhere or fleeing the country. The fact that you have to rely upon some “loose” and admittedly inappropriate use of the terminology to make your pathetic case shows how weak your argument is. Try again?
valkyrie101

Pablo said:
H When was I a birther? Never.

OK, fair enough.
ChiliPeppersFan

murf said:
Oh and it took conservatives like Hannity pounding Ayers , Wright , for weeks before the MSM FINALLY picked up on it .

there i agree and can not defend.
jrcmi

Draft dodging/evading/avoiding is a popular activity among warmongers. Just ask Dimbaugh and Cheney.
ChiliPeppersFan

TillieGlockenspiel said:
“For their part, the major media — almost to a person — were doing everything in their power to protect the lie. This was unprecedented on the sunny side of the Iron Curtain. The birthers had absolutely no reason to believe the media.”

they also have no reason to believe in the black helicopters hovering out there rooms with secret listening devices or no reason to believe tin foil hats will protect from mind control lasers but, hey…
http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

VoiceofReason said:
Oh and when you aren’t doing one of the above…..you trot out this stuff above……”what”?????? “It wasn’t me!!!” “some nebulous third party did it”

Again, I didn’t look up Trump’s draft records. I did say that it doesn’t look like he’s a “draft dodger” and in response to another commenter, I said that the press investigated candidate Bill Clinton, but I don’t know the political affiliation of an unnamed blogger, whatever they did, they did on their own and I believe they did it for the traffic.
jrcmi

NOBAMA 2012 said:
CLINTON,WHO ACTUALLY DODGED AN ACTUAL DRAFT NOTICE…

KEEP SHOUTING!!! IT WILL MAKE YOU MORE B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E!!!!!!!!

Fool.
tiredoftherunaround

You can always tell how damaging anyone is to the liberal Democratic party. The wolves come out to devour them.

Was undecided about Trumpt, but now I’m for him all the way because he drives the libs nutz.
Tedderman

The Trumpty Dumpty torpedo of truth tour is heading for it’s final fall, DOH!
jakester

TillieGlockenspiel said:
The “story” of Obama’s birth, according to “Dreams”: Poor, but brilliant Kenyan goatherd comes to US college because of Kennedy, meets and marries beautiful Kansas girl who gives birth the future president of the United States. Brilliant father sadly must leave his wife and child in care of her parents while he goes to Harvard to get his Phd in Economics so that he can lead his country to wealth. Sadly, Doctor of Economics dies in car accident.

The real story of Obama’s family: English-speaking Christian schooled brilliant Kenyan CLERK gets independent scholarship during the Eisenhower presidency to go to school in Hawaii, leaving Kenyan wife and two children back in home country. Meets Marxist sympathizing girl whose mother is in management at an Hawaiian bank. Girl gets pregnant and after baby is born, moves with her TWO WEEK OLD infant to Washington State to go to college. Father of child leaves Hawaii for Harvard BEFORE wife and child return to Hawaii. Officials at Harvard never bestow Phd on father, though he later represents himself as “Doctor” Obama. Officials at Harvard worried about his wife in Kenya and “wife” in Hawaii and calling him a “slippery” character, revoke his student status and the “brilliant” man is sent back to Nairobi.

http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2011/04/29/elder_obama_denied_harvard_phd/?page=full

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_obama_lie_that_drove_the_b.html

“There was no Obama family, never was, no “abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation” save on the teleprompters at the 2004 convention”

“Knowing that Obama was capable of lying about the first two years of his life, they had no reason to believe he was telling the truth about his birth, especially given the lengths he had gone to in order to protect his birth certificate.”

“For their part, the major media — almost to a person — were doing everything in their power to protect the lie. This was unprecedented on the sunny side of the Iron Curtain. The birthers had absolutely no reason to believe the media.”

Got any more garbage and lies to share? No one ever said his father was just a goatherder. It was always tha his came here on a scholarship where he met his mother. So save your dreck for your call to Hannity, rwm
jakester

tiredoftherunaround said:
You can always tell how damaging anyone is to the liberal Democratic party. The wolves come out to devour them.

Was undecided about Trumpt, but now I’m for him all the way because he drives the libs nutz.

You mean the same way your blow dried phony idol became a Con then jerked off all the mental midget birthers like you by floating his “investigative” trash around? Another stupid right winger with his stupid classless comment.
jakester

NOBAMA 2012 said:
I don’t think you Liberal Lewzers wanna talk about anyone being a DRAFT DODGER…

NOT AFTER ELECTING THE THREE-TIME DRAFT DODGER BILL CLINTON, POTUS…

CLINTON,WHO ACTUALLY DODGED AN ACTUAL DRAFT NOTICE…
NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE, BUT THREE FRIGGIN TIMES…

Nice try mediaite.com

BUT AS USUAL YOU LIBERAL LEWZERS CONTINUE TO STICK YOUR DICK IN THE DRAWER AND SLAM IT…ROFLMAO

You should learn how to spell, construct a proper sentences and capitalize correctly. It might make your post look less glaringly moronic!
mlb

Wait! Why aren’t liberals cheering? He avoided the draft – wasn’t that your 60′s call to arms? “Hell no-we won’t go!” You should be supporting this no matter what the method was to avoid serving- at least he run off to Canada like the poor draft dodgers.
And as Obama has proven you don’t have to serve in any war to show respect and support for the troops -right?
BR

So was VP Biden. Your point?
BR

skyfet said:
So as W, Cheney, Limbaugh, Wolfowitz, Kristol and the rest of the warmongering phonies (almost).

And Biden!!!!!!
tiredoftherunaround

jakester said:
You mean the same way your blow dried phony idol became a Con then jerked off all the mental midget birthers like you by floating his “investigative” trash around? Another stupid right winger with his stupid classless comment.

It’s so fulfilling to talk to a liberal. They speak so eloquently and succinctly. They can be spotted a mile away. Every other word a curse word or worse. :)
jakester

Wasn’t Trump the one who is saying we should move in and grab the oil fields? Let him lead the charge.
jakester

tiredoftherunaround said:
It’s so fulfilling to talk to a liberal. They speak so eloquently and succinctly. They can be spotted a mile away. Every other word a curse word or worse. :)

Maybe just as funny as listening to all the rude, stupid, petty dishonest cons and their crackpot posts? The problem with you and your ilk is that you are too smug and dense to sense your own hypocrisy. Yeah, so cons are always polite and never insult anyone? Is that the lie you are promoting now?
Jaurez

mlb said:
Wait! Why aren’t liberals cheering? He avoided the draft – wasn’t that your 60’s call to arms? “Hell no-we won’t go!” You should be supporting this no matter what the method was to avoid serving- at least he run off to Canada like the poor draft dodgers.
And as Obama has proven you don’t have to serve in any war to show respect and support for the troops -right?

Lib double standard. Live it, love it.
jakester

tiredoftherunaround said:
It’s so fulfilling to talk to a liberal. They speak so eloquently and succinctly. They can be spotted a mile away. Every other word a curse word or worse. :)

BTW Noah Webster, what curse words was I using? Also if you want to defend the birther trash and the scum who stoke their tiny minds, then the smell of garbage will get on you too.
tiredoftherunaround

Thank you for proving my point. :)
jakester

tiredoftherunaround said:
Thank you for proving my point. :)

How exactly did I do that? I’m sorry,but you sound like all the rest of the mental midgets on talk radio with you shallow hypocritical bs. You must be a birther, because after one of your lies and accusations are exposed as trash, you jump to the next one without even pausing for breath.
Newsjunky

VoiceofReason said:
Weren’t morons like you spitting the same yang just 8 months ago or so?

How’d that work out for ya dickweed?

You sound scared. Ya wanna hug? C’mon babycakes… I’ll hold ya and cuddle ya. And give you little kisses on your head.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Jones/1384303476 Chris Jones

There’s no way that story is going to have legs, outside of MSNBC at least. Do you know how many politicians are guilty of that very thing? That’s a story as old as the Vietnam war itself.
jakester

Newsjunky said:
You sound scared. Ya wanna hug? C’mon babycakes… I’ll hold ya and cuddle ya. And give you little kisses on your head.

Voice of Reason, irony in action
Obeezy

If only the media vetted Obama this much
glenn113

After reading the smoking gun documents this chickenhawk will be the laughing stock in politics for the next couple months. Any armchair patriot much less a chickenhawk has absolutely no credibility on foreign policy. He officially qualifies as “Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross” ie: Dick Cheney http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/deferments-helped-trump-dodge-vietnam
glenn113

No Obama does not qualify as a chickenhawk. Read the full extended definition under the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTAqUwYHnec
Real Conservatives Only

libereism is a disease. the only cure is christ.
Jayson

People won’t care if Trump was a draft dodger. They won’t care if he’s also a loser, or that he looks down on the average working stiff as being beneath him. As long as the Don has his long term birth certificate dangling from his shiftly little hands, they’ll think he’ll be a great president!
tiredoftherunaround

jakester said:
How exactly did I do that? I’m sorry,but you sound like all the rest of the mental midgets on talk radio with you shallow hypocritical bs. You must be a birther, because after one of your lies and accusations are exposed as trash, you jump to the next one without even pausing for breath.

LOL! You are sure creating a lot of hot air based upon nothing. Pretty good imagination you’ve got going for you. You know nothing about me, but create this whole picture of what I am, what I listen to, that I’m a “birther”, that I “jump from one accusation without pausing for breath”. LOL! That last part sounds an awful lot like you. Ever hear of projection?

Do you realize that much anger will damage your organs? HPB, heart problems, suppressed immune systems, gastrointestinal problems such as irritable bowel syndrome and strokes, etc.
timcajun

Trump is your standard “tea” hypocrite. He will wiz in the corner and blame a liberal every time! Where are his taxes, where are his grades, how many bks? He is a pompous liar and grabs headlines by shock value, not fact value, but this is what the “teas” love!
http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

Is it just me or has the media already done more digging on Trump in two weeks than they ever did on Obama? And Trump hasn’t even declared his candidacy yet!
ElCapitanAmerica

Real Conservatives Only said:
libereism is a disease. the only cure is christ.

Still waiting for your serious technical rebuttal of my debunking of your silly PDF layers conspiracy theory.

Also, libereism … it’s called liberalism in English. Also, “Christ”, specially if you are a believer should be capitalized.

Education is the cure for ignorance. Look into it.
gottosay

it is amazing listening to a man say he will be abusive and frank in business dealings and runs when it comes to service to america.

I am angry for Trump could be the reason why my relative went to Vietnam…now this fact is shamed-fully…three times and what medical problem did Trump have laziness
tiredoftherunaround

gottosay said:
it is amazing listening to a man say he will be abusive and frank in business dealings and runs when it comes to service to america.

I am angry for Trump could be the reason why my relative went to Vietnam…now this fact is shamed-fully…three times and what medical problem did Trump have laziness

??
Pablo

glenn113 said:
No Obama does not qualify as a chickenhawk. Read the full extended definition under the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTAqUwYHnec

All the best definitions are captions for You Tube videos.
Pablo

glenn113 said:
No Obama does not qualify as a chickenhawk. Read the full extended definition under the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTAqUwYHnec

Oh, and Charles Krauthammer, who has been paralyzed since he was 20, is a chickenhawk. Genius. Who needs Webster when you’ve got You Tube?
TillieGlockenspiel

Alex, I do think that your headline needs revision. While the original definition of “draft dodger” might apply to Trump, Biden, Clinton, et al (and there are LOTS of politicos who fit into that category), the common usage for “draft dodger” for those of us who were sentient during the Viet Nam war meant males who left the country when their Selective Service numbers either were called or about to be called up.
TillieGlockenspiel

Alex, I’m no Trump fan, but I do think you should apply the same standard to Dick Blumenthal, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden that you are applying to Trump.
timcajun

TillieGlockenspiel says:
Alex, I’m no Trump fan, but I do think you should apply the same standard to Dick Blumenthal, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden that you are applying to Trump.

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Same standard fair enough, but you could add all the gaffs from all three over the years (which have happened) and they would not add up to the last 2 months of Trumps hate, spin, lies and f-bombs! The “teas” should be insulted by Trump playing to their simple hate and lower IQs! Keep the hate alive!
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

If your number was not called, YOU did not dodge the draft. You libs love to throw around the term “draft dodger” but you have to really dodge the draft. Bill Clinto was a REAL draft dodger.
If you took an “Armed Forces Physical Exam” and did not pass you are NOT a draft dodger and you did not AVOID service.
Libs love lying it is their favorite passtime. There should be a special draft for people calling others draft dodgers. They should be sent to the front lines without body armour.
glenn113

gordonbloyershow said:
If your number was not called, YOU did not dodge the draft. You libs love to throw around the term “draft dodger” but you have to really dodge the draft. Bill Clinto was a REAL draft dodger.If you took an “Armed Forces Physical Exam” and did not pass you are NOT a draft dodger and you did not AVOID service.Libs love lying it is their favorite passtime. There should be a special draft for people calling others draft dodgers. They should be sent to the front lines without body armour.

You are right on the draft dodger part 100%. However he does qualify as a Chickenhawk First Class because he now supports a pre-emptive war and chose not to serve when he could have.
glenn113

As under the Chickenhawk video, click view more which will explain the difference between draft dodgers and chickenhawks and/or armchair patriots.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTAqUwYHnec
glenn113

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTAqUwYHnec
glenn113

And of course, the official definition of a chickenhawk as defined properly in the military manual: http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks/
glenn113

jrcmi said:
Draft dodging/evading/avoiding is a popular activity among warmongers. Just ask Dimbaugh and Cheney.

Both those two are the best two examples there are as being defined as “Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross.” http://www.nhgazette.com/display/?id=24 http://www.nhgazette.com/display/?id=65
glenn113

Pablo said:
All the best definitions are captions for You Tube videos.

Alas my plutocratic friend.. The definition of chickenhawk is not from you tube however is from the official Chickenhawk Hall of Fame, in which you are correct about Krauthamer as I do not see his name listed. So you are batting 1 out of 154. That is not good.http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks/
glenn113

http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks/
billwhit1357

A lot of people got student and medical deferments, so what? Obama has never served either and he is a lousy president so how is this going to make the Fool in the Oval Office look any better? The Fact is that Obama let people go to prison because of his Childish Refusal to show his BC,that shows Obama has not a thread of Honor or Integrity and he also was not raised in America, but went to muslim schools overseas, which is the reason Obama has no American Values about him, he was not raised as an American, but as a muslim, even though he says he isn’t, but he said from the beginning, if it comes down to the nitty gritty, he will stand with the muslims! That certainly doesn’t sound like he cares for America much, now, does it? Anyone who makes the Left nervous and makes them start talking crazy and grasping at straws shows that the person making them do that would be good for America! How stupid can the Left get anyway?

ALLEN WEST 2012! A Proven Leader and Patriot!
Garth

billwhit1357 said:
A lot of people got student and medical deferments, so what? Obama has never served either and he is a lousy president so how is this going to make the Fool in the Oval Office look any better? The Fact is that Obama let people go to prison because of his Childish Refusal to show his BC,that shows Obama has not a thread of Honor or Integrity and he also was not raised in America, but went to muslim schools overseas, which is the reason Obama has no American Values about him, he was not raised as an American, but as a muslim, even though he says he isn’t, but he said from the beginning, if it comes down to the nitty gritty, he will stand with the muslims! That certainly doesn’t sound like he cares for America much, now, does it? Anyone who makes the Left nervous and makes them start talking crazy and grasping at straws shows that the person making them do that would be good for America! How stupid can the Left get anyway?

ALLEN WEST 2012! A Proven Leader and Patriot!

Bill – It’s people like you that make tooth picks look like scholars.
BR

Biden is a draft dodger
Dave Richards

Why does military service only become a topic when a Republican is President?
And the “Chicken Hawk” garbage gets old after awhile.

All of you liberal cowards who keep complaining about this should either put on a uniform and stand at post or simply STFU.
Barack Must Go

Real Conservatives Only said:
libereism is a disease. the only cure is christ.

Media Matters Liberal Troll Alert !
timcajun

Dave Richards says:
All of you liberal cowards who keep complaining about this should either put on a uniform and stand at post or simply STFU.
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Do you mean put on a uniform, like Trump did? Maybe you mean the reserves, where nobody happens to recall you being posted there?
glenn113

billwhit1357 said:
A lot of people got student and medical deferments, so what? Obama has never served either and he is a lousy president so how is this going to make the Fool in the Oval Office look any better? The Fact is that Obama let people go to prison because of his Childish Refusal to show his BC,that shows Obama has not a thread of Honor or Integrity and he also was not raised in America, but went to muslim schools overseas, which is the reason Obama has no American Values about him, he was not raised as an American, but as a muslim, even though he says he isn’t, but he said from the beginning, if it comes down to the nitty gritty, he will stand with the muslims! That certainly doesn’t sound like he cares for America much, now, does it? Anyone who makes the Left nervous and makes them start talking crazy and grasping at straws shows that the person making them do that would be good for America! How stupid can the Left get anyway? ALLEN WEST 2012! A Proven Leader and Patriot!

If you got a true medical deferrmant,like Krauthammer ok. ( this does not include somebody with a cyst on their ass like Limbaugh).
Oh,and by the way if their is a military draft under the new law the only student deferrmant this will apply to is a graduate in his final year of medical school. So mention military draft to all the warmongers and neocon chickenhawks and all you’ll see is ass and elbows and not a peep. “You guys go to war and fight. I’ll hold your coats.” Sad, isn’t it?
glenn113

billwhit1357 said:
A lot of people got student and medical deferments, so what? Obama has never served either and he is a lousy president so how is this going to make the Fool in the Oval Office look any better? The Fact is that Obama let people go to prison because of his Childish Refusal to show his BC,that shows Obama has not a thread of Honor or Integrity and he also was not raised in America, but went to muslim schools overseas, which is the reason Obama has no American Values about him, he was not raised as an American, but as a muslim, even though he says he isn’t, but he said from the beginning, if it comes down to the nitty gritty, he will stand with the muslims! That certainly doesn’t sound like he cares for America much, now, does it? Anyone who makes the Left nervous and makes them start talking crazy and grasping at straws shows that the person making them do that would be good for America! How stupid can the Left get anyway? ALLEN WEST 2012! A Proven Leader and Patriot!

It doesn’t matter how much your hero Allen West hates the president, dislikes his policies or anything else, Obama is still the Commander and Chief. West, being in the military for 22 years as he makes sure to remind everyone and an Officer to boot should have enough decency, integrity and values not to publicy call the President names in public.
He stains the rest of our U.S. Army with this behavior and it’s no wonder West retired from the Army not under his conditions. And one more thing. What kind of nutjob would stand by the statement of just because he flew into military combat areas during the day justifies that Airforce One and everyone from the President to the cook on board should do the same? Just that statement alone shows you how this guy is detached from the real world. Sorry to break your bubble there billwitt but facts are facts.
glenn113

Barack Must Go said:
Media Matters Liberal Troll Alert !

Do you mean the Christ that has stated in the Gospel, “As you do onto the least of these, you also do onto me.”
tiredoftherunaround

glenn113 said:
It doesn’t matter how much your hero Allen West hates the president, dislikes his policies or anything else, Obama is still the Commander and Chief. West, being in the military for 22 years as he makes sure to remind everyone and an Officer to boot should have enough decency, integrity and values not to publicy call the President names in public.
He stains the rest of our U.S. Army with this behavior and it’s no wonder West retired from the Army not under his conditions. And one more thing. What kind of nutjob would stand by the statement of just because he flew into military combat areas during the day justifies that Airforce One and everyone from the President to the cook on board should do the same? Just that statement alone shows you how this guy is detached from the real world. Sorry to break your bubble there billwitt but facts are facts.

Sorry, don’t think West respects the man in the WH any more than the majority of Americans.

Why should West respect him when he doesn’t respect our values?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/27/AR2010052702696.html

Obama doesn’t hold his hand over his heart during the national anthem (everyone else on stage were).
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU

Not to mention the continual shredding of the Constitution. What is there for West (or anyone else) to respect?
President Obama will skip Memorial Day visit to Arlington National Cemetery
tiredoftherunaround

glenn113 said:
Do you mean the Christ that has stated in the Gospel, “As you do onto the least of these, you also do onto me.”

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He was talking of the poor, in prison, etc.
Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
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For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
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naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’
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Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
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When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
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When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’
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And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’
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17 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
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For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
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a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’
44 Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’
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He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’
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And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

How many of these have you done?
timcajun

billwhit1357 says:
The Fact is that Obama let people go to prison because of his Childish Refusal to show his BC,that shows Obama has not a thread of Honor or Integrity and he also was not raised in America, but went to muslim schools overseas, which is the reason Obama has no American Values about him, he was not raised as an American,
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Do you ever tire of lying or being stupid! 1st lie…… Obama didn’t let anybody go to jail for lack of showing his BC! 2nd lie ………………..Obama was not raised in America??? The rest of the crap is dumb ass teas opinion, which as wrong as it is, you have a right to it!
Gorgegirl

gordonbloyershow said:
If your number was not called, YOU did not dodge the draft. You libs love to throw around the term “draft dodger” but you have to really dodge the draft. Bill Clinto was a REAL draft dodger.
If you took an “Armed Forces Physical Exam” and did not pass you are NOT a draft dodger and you did not AVOID service.
Libs love lying it is their favorite passtime. There should be a special draft for people calling others draft dodgers. They should be sent to the front lines without body armour.

That is right, but if you had to take a physical, that means your number was indeed called.
Khyber Pass

VoiceofReason said:
And where and when did Bill Clinton serve? Or Barry?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but there was no draft during the years clinton&obama would have been drafted. Correct?
Or did they have deferments other well-educated men were using to their own advantage?