Anyone that obsessed about the birthplace of the president needs to get out a little more.

Although I believe that Obama was born in the US, citizens have the right to question any and everything about their leaders.

The lack of facts on the matter don’t bother a smart guy like you? Does that thing they showed on the internet look like your birth certificate? I’m not a birther, it’s just not true for Gibbs to say the original was shown on the net. The gov of Hawaii is holding the original long-form, as required by law, until barry releases it. If you think this president isn’t holding back more information about his past than any prior in modern history..then you need to get out a little more.

As Helen Thomas used to say, Oy!

Les Kinsolving is a very nice man (I met him once and talked to him a couple of time on his radio show). He is a gentleman. And he can be very witty.

But he’s just not there.

paulmdoro:
I agree with you. Anyone, including someone who calls themselves a reporter, should be able to locate anyone of the following links within a few seconds:
I do understand and know that these are all from the internet but they are all from several well known and rather respected fact check sites. The very fact that they all have so many articles on this matter seems to bear out the last link all too well:
One on John McCain: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/12/born-usa/ This could be the real issue down the road for anyone else running for office who is a military brat. And an issue only the USSC can rule on. And rule on only after the election and swearing in.
http://factcheck.org/2010/05/the-obama-birth-chronicles-chapter-ccxcviii/index.html
http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/13/obamas-birth-certificate/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/print_born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/
This story, from Slate.com, seems to fit rather well:
Born Again
Why the “birther” myth refuses to die.
The “birther” myth is the political equivalent of a horror-movie villain: Not only does it refuse to die, but every time someone tries to kill it, it only comes back stronger.
http://www.slate.com/id/2251518?wpisrc=newsletter

You sure you’re not a birther me1ranger? If you believe he was born here, what exactly is he withholding and why?

You tell me..if you voted for him I’m sure you did your homework and can tell us. If he’s so smart, why can’t we see his college transcripts, thesis, or any law review articles he edited? How/why did he travel to Pakistan when U.S. citizens were banned from doing so? You don’t have to be a birther to want to know who is the man that is currently our commander in chief..do you?

Sounds like a lot of paranoid conspiracy talk to me. Jerome Corsi on your reading list?

The birthers are chasing their tails on this one anyway. We all should wonder how it is that he’s eligible when the constitution clearly states that a candidate must be born to two American parents that were older than 19 at the time of his/her birth. That doesn’t sound like your boy, barry, does it?

I think you are trying to hide paranoid conspiracies under the guise of legitimate questions. McCain’s lawyers said they extensively looked into the rumors and found absolutely nothing. In this day and age if they had found something worth pursuing it wouldn’t have remained hidden.

Glad to see you did your homework..teach. You threw your vote away because voting for barry just felt good, thanks. Next time vote with your head, not your heart. Tell me where I’m wrong or may I suggest you expand your reading list a little.

You have no idea why I voted for the president. You know nothing about me. Quit being such a presumptuous know-it-all.

You can’t answer the questions either..you let McCain do your research for you. I wouldn’t let him tell me how to vote. The questions are legitimate..want to answer them for my paranoid ass?

The only one who started this absurd conversation was one BHO. Period. He didn’t provide his college transcripts and a birth certificate back during the election campaign. MSNBC / Liberal Blogs tried to create a false narrative of a ” birther movement ” , which really didn’t exist. Obama is a horribly incompetent leader,and ruining our nation fiscally, that’s the ONLY thing most Americans care about.

Guess I nailed it. Getting a little testy..I don’t enjoy being called paranoid and delusional, so I guess we’re even.

If I came across as testy, it’s because I don’t like someone telling me why I did something and what I should do in the future, when that person has no idea what they’re talking about. If that makes me testy, so be it. The fact is, you don’t know why I voted for the president, and whether or not those reasons were emotionally or intellectually based. I didn’t tell you why you voted for someone and how you should do it differently in the future. I imagine you wouldn’t appreciate that. Most people wouldn’t.

Paul only likes to fight if he’s sure to win..too bad. I was hoping he would provide us with the answers that his chosen one won’t..hope that wasn’t too presumptuous for him.

Fine..Paul. Sorry for that. But you must have ignored all these and more questions when you pulled the lever. It’s too late now to change the results if your many reasons were wrong, or incomplete. Once again thanks to you and all your ilk for making such a well informed choice.

If questions about the president’s birthplace are legitimate and not paranoid ramblings, why isn’t the GOP running with it? Why aren’t Micheal Steele and John Boehner and Sarah Palin and Dick Cheney bringing it up and keeping it at the forefront? Also, I am certainly not trying to “fight” with you. I just don’t think anyone likes someone they don’t know telling them why they did something. Seems rational to me.

Obviously my reasons were not incomplete or wrong in my estimation, and I didn’t “ignore” anything when making the choice, which I do not regret in the slightest.

I told you it’s WORLD NUT DAILY! Very serious “journalist” isn’t he? The crazy old man smell is wafting through the briefing room. Call Security!

A good tactic when one can’t win in a debate is to keep answering questions with questions..frustrating but not productive. Take care, Paul.

Gibbs couldn’t answer the question!

But it really is not necessary to answer it because we all know Barry was born in Kenya.

Hey look..it’s coxheady, she can see the ghetto from her house! There’s a certain smell wafting off of you as well..

Roxanne..you don’t have to put on the red light. Take a break, air yourself out for a while. The working girl life is hard.

Of course I can’t win a debate about whether or not Obama was born in America. You will refute whatever I say on the matter. Frankly there are far more interesting subjects to debate here than the birth certificate, which in my opinion is a loony topic for conspiracy theorists.

Paul..the debate could be settled if barry withdrew his order to hide the items we discussed. Ask yourself, what does he gain by hiding. He has spent 1.3 million in lawyer fees when all he had to do was show it. The place of his birth would cease to be an issue, then everyone can drop it. The duel-citizenship issue is fatal to his ‘presidency’. Nobody can make that problem go away..

So if we can’t see any of the law reviews that Obama was involved with editing as prez of Harvard Law Review, then how is it that Politico was able to have a 3 page article back in mid 2008 that includes synopsis of what was in 5 different issues of the Law Review from his tenure as president? That’s so well hidden that it astounds me! http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11257_Page3.html

If questions about the president’s birthplace are legitimate and not paranoid ramblings, why isn’t the GOP running with it? Why aren’t Micheal Steele and John Boehner and Sarah Palin and Dick Cheney bringing it up and keeping it at the forefront?

As for transcripts, I wouldn’t release mine either. Know why? What I did in college for grades doesn’t matter one iota in the real world. I know people that got straight A’s in college (my father being one) that were unable to do a damn thing with their college degrees and I know people that got B’s and C’s (and a D here or there) that are doing pretty damn well for themselves in their chosen fields.

They don’t make it a forefront issue because these kinds of nut case theories do their best work when kept on the fringe. Something as easily disproved (and repeatedly disproved in this case) as the birth certificate wouldn’t survive long if it was kept out front.

That’s all you got? People want to see his personal writings, wise guy. Not notes in a margin or things that were produced by the whole staff collectively. You got a link to his thesis in your bag of tricks for me to read? Your weak..stay out of the pool, it’s adult swim time.

The bottom line here is the Tommy Christopher is an incurious hack. Instead of weighing the evidence and making a decision, he doesn’t need any evidence to make a decision.

That doesn’t mean that BHO was born here, there, or the other place. It just means that Tommy Christopher is an establishment hack who’s job is basically just to retail what others want him to retail. If the establishment’s position was that Obama was born in Norway, Tommy Christopher would retail that instead.

And, what that means is that Tommy Christopher isn’t doing any real reporting on this issue. For instance, he isn’t telling you that HI’s governor recently lied about the basic, indisputable facts of this matter. He isn’t telling you about all the others who’ve lied about the basic, indisputable facts of this matter.

For the actual facts of this matter – what we know and what we don’t know and who’s lied – see this:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship

Don’t trust Tommy Christopher: he’s just a hack and not in any way a real reporter.

Wow, insults are all you have to work with? Any writings he did for the law review himself will be in the issues he wrote them for. It’s as easy as that. Just do your research. The Harvard Law Review is not showing only redacted issues that hide things that were there in the past. As for his own writings, here’s the ONLY ONE he did. Yeah yeah, it was unsigned but who cares? It’s a lame piece and it was 20 years ago. Other than that, as even Politico documents, he only oversaw editing and reviewing of articles…it only took me 10 seconds to find this article and the previous one. How long have you been “researching” this? Sounds like you do the Glenn Beck style of research, “this fits my narative, I’ll use it and ignore everything else.” I agree it would be nice if we had more writings to go off of and sure, maybe his thesis would be nice to see. As someone who helped read and edit many senior thesis back in the day (teachers assistant, not the teacher thank god) I can say that most thesis are really not that interesting and don’t prove anything other then the person can write a damn paper. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html

Josh..you are knitt-picking the least insightful item that I would like shown to me. Why is that? It ‘would be nice’ if you could use your vast research capabilities to show us the answers to the many other questions I’ve asked in this post. The ones that may have disqualified him from running and winning..thanks. We’re waitng..

Are you intentionally not answering me me1ranger? I’m waiting.

Paul..the liberal press likes to pull the Alinsky tactics of ridicule anyone who they can’t debate, much like you tried to do with me. Many public officials have asked these questions as well, dont tell me you haven’t heard, or seen how they were ridiculed by the media. A better way is to pass laws in the states that demand proof of ones qualifications to hold the highest office to get on the ballot. Heard of that? Barry would school us all then when he whips out the long form birth certificate that we all have to show to get a license, join the military….

Paul..why are you stuck on the birth place issue? What do you think about his duel-citizenship problem, it’s a good one? His daddy was Kenyan/British and his mother was not even 19 at the time of his birth. So I’m being generous in awarding him the ‘duel’ status..don’t want to get hung up on the small details.

I use Alinsky no more than you use Rove or Atwater. I am not trying to ridicule you at all (and can certainly handle debating you), and apologies if you think I am ridiculing you. Yes some officials have asked those questions, but again, if they are so legitimate and credible, why isn’t there a much bigger push from GOP leaders like Steele and Boehner and Palin? Does Beck ever even mention it? It’s not like he’s afraid of media ridicule. I have to believe that if they were truly credible questions, we’d hear much more about it from prominent party officials. There’d be a constant drumbeat. Remember when certain individuals swore there was something untoward going on with Bush and his National Guard service? I always thought they were nutty. It reeked of desperation. I think this does too.

Les’s question had nothing to do with birtherism; Gibbs changed the topic because he couldn’t/wouldn’t answer the quetion. The media ridiculed Palin over her college records and the media have never seen, never discussed, never shown any interest in Obama’s. Typical double standard.

oh so amusing!

heres the reality behind the obama birth certificate funshow tommy – known to everyone in hillaryland from the get go -

we all know that obama was born in the USA – the problem for obama was that he officially changed his name to Sotero – when he lived with his mom and mr sotero in indonesia.

what no one wants to bring up is the truth – which is that the reason that team obama and now the white house will only release a copy of his birth certificate and not the original – is because his name was changed to sotero and then back to obama – after his mother left and divorced sotero and the obama camp didnt want to get into a public discussion over this because it involved topics they wanted to avoid (1- his muslim stepfather 2 – his mom’s odd life choices 3 – what the F really is with Obama’s changing names )

bet you dont have the huevos to ask about that the next time les asks about the birth certificate…

like there is any chance of that! tommy wants to be liked by the white house and get invited to parties! dont rock the boat baby!

Why should someone ask him about his mother’s life choices? Did the media collectively ridicule Palin’s college records? I don’t recall that.

The certificate shown on the web was by no means a legal birth certificate and everyone knows this. I do question his status, and the fact that he’s never provided any resolution to this only fuels speculation. I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about it, though, since it’s quite obviously one of those things where no one in the position of having the power to resolve it has the political will power to do so. The Dems and the liberal media have been so successful in branding people who question his status as birther nutjobs that it would be political suicide to even mention it.

Yes Paul, the media did ridicule Palin’s college records; I’m surprised you don’t recall….but then again, given the massive ridiculing of Palin, on any/all topics and the massive cover-up for teh one and same and more, I guess it doesn’t surprise me that you can’t recall the college ridicule.

paul, I do remember many northeaster elitist columnists and opinion people scoffing at her j-school degree because it came from Idaho.

The minority can’t even get a special prosecutor to look into the Sestak/Romanoff debacle..I’m almost certain that, behind the scenes, these issues are being discussed. You can’t win this battle in the liberal dominated press, it’s a legal matter and must be handled by congress. You think they want to look into it? Maybe after November..

I don’t watch MSNBC (I mention it because of the liberal talking heads), and I really don’t recall reading about anyone making fun of Palin’s college records in the daily newspapers I read. Who was doing it?

Folks, sorry to say, but liberals are not the only ones who brand people who question his status as birther nutjobs. And as long as you mentioned the Sestak thing again, since Republicans have done the same thing and probably will do so again, it’s not in their best interest to collectively call for a special prosecutor.

Let’s not even get started on the evidence that barry is using a social security number of a dead guy from Conneticut..that was Lesters’ question until Gibbs changed the subject to garner some chuckles from his sycophant cheerleaders in the press room..

John McCain obviously couldn’t be president because he is not a natural-born citizen of the U.S.

Oh and here’s Snopes on another issue mentioned:

Claim – Barack Obama does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. because his mother was too young.

Status – False

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Barry couldn’t get a top-secret clearance from the F.B.I while a candidate, remember that? You get the clearance automatically when elected president, peoples will and all. I got one..but of course I had to show my complete long form birth certificate when I enlisted. It has a doctor, a witness, and the hospital on it. Just like everyone else.

And the birth certificate:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Seriously Paul, what weight do you suppose that carries, the links to some website?

Oh I forgot that no one here ever posts a link to a website. My mistake.

@Paul

No amount of evidence will prove anything to Ranger. He’s operating under the confirmation bias. Granted, we all are, but he’s hanging on to it like his ideology depends on it.

All right Paul, you’ve gone off the rails now. Snopes is leftist site and you should be ashamed to bring them up. You ‘certainly can debate with me’. I thought so ’til now. Unlike your hero barry, McCains’ status was investigated by the liberal congress. They correctly determined that a base in Panama was U.S. soil, therefor he’s eligible. Ask yourself, or go on snope and find the result of the congressional investigation into barry’s status. Where is it Paul? And you didn’t say anything about the duel-citizen issue. You can’t. The mothers age doesn’t carry all the weight, you want to talk about his father? What does snope or media matters or wiki say about him?

me1ranger, we’re going in circles here, and like I said, there are far more interesting issues to discuss than this one, which I consider fully loony toons. Stephen Hogan is right. You birthers will never be convinced and will continue to buy into conspiracy theories. That’s fine. Keep reading World Net Daily and Jerome Corsi.

Steve..you guys haven’t shown any evidence, that’s the whole point!

And you sheeple keep grazing in the clover that your masters lead you to.

@Ranger

The President showed evidence. He posted his birth certificate on the internet.

In formal logic, the burden of proof falls on the person making the assertion. In this case, you are making the assertion that the President may not be a natural-born citizen. Thus, the burden falls on you to prove he is not a citizen, not on the President to prove he is a citizen.

Wrong Steve..Are you serious? What hospital, what doctor,and name the witness. Not on there is it? It’s on yours isn’t it? Mine too. The certificate of live birth is not the birth certificate, why don’t you get it? The administration wont allow the Hawaiins to release the long-form, look it up. And I will prove it to you when you get barry to release it! The CLB on the internet has a stamp on it from 2007, barry’s older than that. “Formal logic” what!? I’ve got the constitution that bars duel-citizens from holding the presidency, and only the president can release the long form certificate thats in Hawaii, due to privacy laws. So it’s real pathetic of him and you to tell me to prove/disprove anything, when the evidence I need is being withheld! That was the whole fucking point..If he wants the office, he needs to prove he’s eligible, that’s how it works down at the DMV. Did you tell them to prove your not a citizen when you got your license? Formal logic…please

Actually, I don’t have my original birth certificate. I lost it in a fire. My replacement electronic copy looks pretty similar to the President’s, except that mine comes from Texas. It satisfied the necessary parties for me to get a passport. And the President already has the office because his copy satisfied the necessary parties that determined he was eligible to serve. Think about it: he wouldn’t have even been on the ballot if he was ineligible to serve. Don’t you think they check these things out? You guys are the only ones not satisfied and it is only because you never will be satisfied.

“Did you tell them to prove your not a citizen when you got your license?”

Nope, because they didn’t make the assertion that I am not a citizen. See the difference there?

And by the way, the President does not have dual-citizenship. He had Kenyan citizenship by virtue of his father being Kenyan, but he lost it. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya’s Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya. Look at the Kenyan Constitution: Section 97, Part 3 : http://kenya.rcbowen.com/constitution/chap6.html#97

You’re wrong, Stephen. Here’s an analogy for you. To be employed anywhere, you have to provide proof of a valid SSN to your employer. If you just say, “hey, I have one, don’t worry about it”, that wouldn’t be good enough. It’s not up to the employer to prover you don’t have one, it’s up to you to prove you do.

Obama has failed to provide proof of his Hawaiian birth, and the “certificate” posted online is unsigned, non-notorized, and un-official in any case.

Stephen: “Don’t you think they check these things out? ”

Who’s “they”? You’re one of those people who believe in a hyper-efficient government, maybe? “They” did try to check it out, and “they” were stonewalled at every step. All Obama had to do was to produce a valid birth certificate, and all of this conspiracy crap would just go away. It’s really, really simple. But to this day, he’s not produced one. Why do you suppose that is?

Stephen, the dual citizenship issue has nothing to do with Kenya. Obama attended a public Islamic school in Indonesia. Indonesia requires students attending public schools to be Indonesian citizens.

Stephen Hogan shouldn’t talk about “formal logic”.

BHO didn’t post a “birth certificate on the internet”. He posted a *picture* of a *certification*. Different document, and a picture of something isn’t the same as the thing itself. If you disagree, try to present a picture on a web page to a judge when he asks for a certified copy of a different document.

Unlike some others, I’m not trying to prove that BHO was born in Kenya or where ever. My claim is that he and his defenders haven’t definitively proved where he was born. That’s a very different contention, but it’s one that hacks have continually tripped over (intentionally or not).

The evidence so far presented is full of holes and wouldn’t be admitted into Kindergarten Court.

For all the details, see my coverage:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship

Chris..I hope your not referring to me. I have stated all throughout this thread that he hasn’t proven anything! And Steve..The democrats took over congress in 2006. They refused to allow the fed. election committee to be sat until after obama was nominated..fact. Pelosi changed the date on her certification of barry, she back-dated it..fact. And I don’t know how you got you license without your birth certificate, your most likely not being honest. And, born a duel citizen is the the disqualifying factor, doesn’t matter what you renounce later..fact. Got it? Go get some more Kool Aide.

Tommy and the rest of the Obama-bots can blindly worship at the alter of the Obama faith all they want, but that won’t ever make everything, or even anything Obama says, be true. Obama’s lackys have claimed he does indeed have a “long form birth certificate”, which would, like every other “long form birth certificate” indicate which hospital Obama was born in, and the name of the doctor that delivered Obama as well. So why doesn’t Mr. Obama just produce a certified copy of that long form birth certificate, instead of continuing to insist that the “certification of live birth” ( http://factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Obama%20Birth%20Certificate/BO%20Birth%20Certificate.jpg ) he has produced is an actual “birth certificate”, which it is not?! And while we’re at it, where are Obama’s college transcripts, student loan information, and all the other things he has refused to produce and release, even though other presidential candidates have had no problem with releasing those things in the past?!

There’s no point in arguing with you guys. Nothing will satisfy you all. Keep drinking that crazy juice and stay away from the water. The fluoride will contaminate your bodily fluids.

Oh my goodness, the birferism here is strong….and so sure of itself. Why you all should go to politijab.com and register and show all those OBOTS how wrong they are with their supposed rebuttals and beatdowns of all the old garbage rehashed here! Yeah, that’s an idea! You’re too big for this pond Just Tex and Me1Ranger and Chris — Go see my webiste — Kelly. Time to go to the big leagues, the big show, Show us what you’re made of. It’ll be easy, like taking candy from an OBOT! Now Obama’s done a lot of things I disagree strongly with as Prez but one of them ain’t how he was born, or how he ignores birfermania.

Oh and folks who believe there’s some constitutional prohibition against dual citizenship POTUS’s, please cite and PLEASE learn to spell “DUAL”. DUEL is what Aaron Burr did with Alexander Hamilton…which was Hamilton’s fatal mistake.

Oh and a fun tidbit on this from Huffpo:

[quote] What about the Connecticut number?

Numbers are assigned based on the return address on the request envelope, not residency. And Gilbert notes that Obama’s father, also named Barack Hussein Obama, lived in Connecticut for several years. “Dr. Conspiracy” at the site Obama Conspiracy Theories hazards the guess that — assuming the 042-xx-xxxx number really is Obama’s — the president “got his SSN as a child living in Indonesia and the application was just processed in Connecticut.”

Because we are a great and generous nation, America will nevertheless continue to care for these interplanetary peyote-monkeys of the Birther movement, making sure they are fed and have shelter and continue to use the advanced indoor plumbing technology of our society to relieve themselves of their waste.[/quote]

Regardless of the deeply held desire to make the question of a president’s nation of birth a nonissue, far greater minds than, me or 99.9% of folks I have ever met or studied, found the issue important enough to include in the Constitutional requirements for the job. Like all else in the constitution it was not put in because they felt they could irritate some citizens in the distant future. These men had lived and seen all around them, depotism, tyrants and dictators. They were trying to protect themselves, their neighbors and future generatons. To cast the requirement aside becasue one has fallen under the spell of a polished politician, is opening a door that will not call to collect the penalty until it is far to late to go and undo the mistake.

Pushing aside a law because one feels there is something greater that needs to be done, will return to destroy you at some point. When you turn around and find that all the laws have been discarded, ignored, or blatantly trampled on, what stands between you and despotism then? What is there to protect you? The original reason for minimizing the law in the first place will seem like a pitiful exchange when you really need the protection. In the particular case of President Obama, personaly I do not think nation of birth would be of such concern/interest if there were not so many other unanswered questions and contradictory anwers. Its like I always told my children,” I will believe you until you lie to me. Once you have tried to mislead or tell only a partial truth or outright fib, then you have morgaged your right to my trust. For me to believe you after that, you will need to go the extra mile and then some. You can regain my trust, but it will be a tough path to trod.”

Presidents are no less accountable. I try not to let other folks be the final say in any position I take. I really try to be fair and most of all, I want the truth, even if it is painful for me. I have been disapointed more than once in people that I admired when I went to find out for myself what was behind a certain issue/problem. When you are a child, it is ok to live in a world that you make up for yourself, suspending reality and truth if needed. It is a dangerous thing to do as an adult. I don”t like finding out I was wrong about something. It is painful and sometimes embarrising if I have been vocal in my support. But, thanks tothe instruction and example of my grandmother, I have learned that the transient pain of being proven wrong, is far less painful than to live within my own unanchored opinions, and then having reality and truth crash down on me unexpectedly. It does take some maturity and selflessness, which have never been easy for me.

My advise, though not asked for, is for each person in the USA to read, study and discuss the constitution, federalist papers and antifederalist papers. I believe then, much of the debate would be rooted in reality and truth and not what we wish were so, or think is so, or know is not so, but prefer nontruth to truth…….you know, the prefering darkness to light sort of thing……..

I also think that truly listening and hearing what a person is saying, instead of waiting impatiently to retort with some cleaver, usually crude, childish reply, allows you to gain some insight into their reasoning. People can never be “made” to change an opinion or forced, but many can be pursuaded…… that is IF they truly want the truth, if they love their own opinion more than truth, then the exercise is really pointless.

When a person cannot see or recognize a liar, a self-absorbed and dangerous leader, especially when the evidence is serial, (excuses can 0nly explain things a time or two, after that, a pattern is obvious to anyone who is willing to see), then they are blind because they want to be and no amount of proof, including a hidden camera with the person admitting everything, will change it. It is only going to make them hold tighter to the spot they have chosen to defend. What does Truth have to do with it, anyway? It is the only thing that will survive in the end to testify against everyone who chose to turn a blind eye and heart.

p.s. If everyone would truly read and study those things mentioned above and the history of great and small empires that rose and fell, they would be most alarmed at what is going on in this nation and the attitude of a frightening number of it’s citizens, does Rome, Ninivah and Tyre mean anything to you?

Les never brought the Birth Certificate issue up in this latest round… WATCH the video… He asked about the Social Security Number and then someone blurted out Birth Certificate and then Gibbs couldn’t answer the SIMPLE question and spun it back on Les by asking Les if he believed Obama was born in Hawaii,,, Which has nothing to do with Obama’s Connecticut issued SS#… Typical diversion tactic!

The truth about Obama’s Social Security NumberS, view ALL the SS#’s and addresses connected to Barack Obama AKA Barry Soetoro;

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/05/could-this-be-obamas-waterloo.html

The fact is it doesn’t matter where the Usurper was born… “Citizen” and “natural born Citizen” are NOT one in the same and the SCOTUS have mentioned this in FOUR rulings… A “natural born Citizen” is one born on soil to CITIZEN PARENTS! Even the senate confirmed this with the resolution they passed, during the 2008 campaign, where they declared McCain a “natural born Citizen” due to McCain being born to U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS! Don’t you remember McCain was forced to release his original long-form birth certificate, his medical, his school, and his military records!?

Again; “Citizen” and “natural born Citizen” are not one in the same. If they were; the Democrats would not have tried to change the definition of a “natural born Citizen,” FIVE TIMES; http://www.scribd.com/doc/31183819/FIVE-ATTEMPTS-TO-RE-DEFINE-NATURAL-BORN-CITIZEN-SINCE-2001

Just because one is born on American soil does not make them a “natural born Citizen,” “Citizen,” Yes, but not necessarily a “natural born Citizen”…

Anyone that reads Article II of the constitution will CLEARLY see it states; “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President…”

Again, from reading Article II, you can clearly see that “Citizen” and “natural born Citizen” are not one in the same. Unless Obama is 200+ years old he is NOT constitutionally eligible to be POTUS… It’s as simple as that! http://www.scribd.com/doc/32538320/Obama-Maybe-a-Citizen-of-the-United-States-but-Not-a-natural-born-Citizen-of-the-United-States

Let us hear what Senator Chuck Schumer has to say about personal records of presidential candidates; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3_hSnBvEHo

[ PS; the 14th Amendment did NOT change or amend Article II in any way! ]

Oh, and the Obama COLB that was posted on the internet is NOT a birth certificate… it is a short form certification of live birth… not a Certificate of Live birth,,, Hawaii did NOT even accept the short form COLB as proof of a Hawaiian birth, due to the policy in place, until 2009. The same COLBs were also issued to Hawaii Act-96 applicants, which allowed one to get a COLB, by just stating you were born there with no hard evidence to show… They were handed out like candy in Hawaii in the 1960s… When one would apply for a COLB or a child was born the Hawaii DoH sent a compiled list to the two newspaper outlets which in turn published the announcements…. The newspaper announcements were NOT hospital generated…. they came from the DoH…

Oh, and it has been found to be a fake by numerous different experts, including this one;

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/05/end-of-obama-aka-soetoro-birth.html

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/06/clear-concise-and-clever-its-conspiracy.html

Dr. Conspiracy would walk off a cliff if Obama asked him… GET REAL!

IF OBAMA HAS NOTHING TO HIDE THEN RELEASE THE DAMN RECORDS! IT’S AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3_hSnBvEHo

Plutodog says:
June 11, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Oh and a fun tidbit on this from Huffpo: Obama’s father, also named Barack Hussein Obama, lived in Connecticut for several years. the president “got his SSN as a child living in Indonesia and the application was just processed in Connecticut.”

Obama Sr. moved to Connecticut when Obama was 2 years old (1963) and moved back to Kenya in 1965. So, he was only in Connecticut for two years.

Obama’s SSN was issued between 1977-1979.

Obama was in Indonesia from 1967 – 71.

Obama’s mother was in Hawaii from 1972 -1977, and then returned to Indonesia.

Obama was in Hawaii from 1971 – 1979, when he graduated. He then moved to LA in 1979.

And his SSN is confirmed here.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/latest-birther-conspiracy-why-is-obama-ss-from-connecticut/#comment-55830

So, the Obama Sr. connection makes sense on the surface, but the dates don’t add up. I would think Gibbs, if the explanation were simple, would have been better served by just providing the simple answer, instead of bringing up the birth certificate. All that did was pour fuel on the conspiracy fire.

As for the COLB released as Obama’s birth certificate, is it this one?

I don’t think Obama was born in Kenya, I don’t believe his young mother would have traveled to Kenya to give birth. But I do think it is weird they just won’t release the darn thing, and be done with it.

ObamaRelease YourRecords says:
June 12, 2010 at 4:15 am

I have never seen that! Funny how it doesn’t work on the other side, eh?

Nope, that is not Obama’s COLB…

It is right here; http://www.scribd.com/doc/30452433/The-Smoking-Gun-Obama-Megyn-Bill-Unknown-Hawaiian-COLB-FightTheSmears

; )

I’m guessing you’re speaking of Schumer!? LOL I’d say!

ObamaRelease YourRecords says:
June 12, 2010 at 5:15 am
Nope, that is not Obama’s COLB…

LOL! But, yet, we’re supposed to believe the one they released!

Yes, Schumer. That was hilarious. “RELEASE THE RECORDS – THEY ARE FAIR GAME (well, only the Republican records!)!!!!”

My question is which one of these four COLBs posted online by Obama’s campaign/supporters is the legit one!? Hawaii DoH refuses to verify any of them as being issued by the Hawaii DoH… Which one is it!?

1) Daily Kos COLB; http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

2) Fight the Smears COLB; http://www.fightthesmears.com/images/28.jpg

3) Factcheck.org COLB with seal; http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

[ be sure to click the two Factcheck images to enlarge so you can clearly see one appears to have a seal and the other one CLEARLY has NO SEAL! ]

4) Factcheck.org COLB without seal; http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg

@Sarainitaly… you got that right!

All they could prove, after I fought with them all day, was I spelled “dual” wrong..so therefore my argument is blown.

@sarainitaly, How were you able to ascertain the entire SS#? The affidavit has it blacked out except for the last 4 digits. By the way, I didn’t know who Les Kinsolving was until today. I can definitely thank Mediate for bringing this all to my attention.

An as an aside, let us not forget that it was the National Enquirer that exposed the truth about John Edwards. So, let me ask Mediate a Gibbs style question, “Do you believe that the President’s SS number was issued from the state of Connecticut?” It’s not a COLB question.

Because although they blacked it out, you can still see it underneath. And when you run that number into the SSN verifiers, it is correct.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/latest-birther-conspiracy-why-is-obama-ss-from-connecticut/#comment-55830

sarainitaly says:
“you can still see it underneath.”

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I’ve got my glasses on today instead of contacts, and even with a 20″ monitor, I had to stick my nose up to the screen to see that. LOL! All of your posts on this subject have been very interesting! :) It appears Gibbs was caught a little off guard with that question. How many times did he say “I”? I wonder how often they call on Les?? I can’t stand to watch Gibbs, so the only comments I get to hear are posted on websites that I visit.

@Sarainitaly…

Hope you don’t mind, but I’m going to borrow your Obama timeline…

ORYR – go for it.

CSS – maybe your screen is too dark. I can see it super easily.

Thanks Sarainitaly!

Here is Suasn Daniels affidavit regarding Obama’s SS#(s), although it is blacked out you can still see the numbers; http://www.scribd.com/doc/31235646/Susan-Daniels-Affidavit-Regarding-Obama-s-Social-Security-Number-s

more here; http://www.scribd.com/doc/31453666/Neil-Sankey-Barack-Hussein-Obama-et-al-Addresses-Social-Security-Numbers

and here; http://www.scribd.com/doc/31392668/SSNs-addresses-belonging-to-dozens-of-Barack-Obama-s-Stanley-Ann-Dunham-and-Michelle-Obama

sarainitaly – I’m sorry to say that it’s not my monitor. You are so sweet to suggest that it was. I put my contacts on and can now see it as clearly as you say.

I’ve been doing some digging, as well. Your time line pans out very nicely, and one interesting note is that the information you presented was actually the evidence that the WH presented to disprove that the President was introduced to the Muslim religion by his father. They go on to assert that his father only visited him once after the divorce in 1971. So, how was his father able to apply for a SS# in 1977?? What were the odds that he actually did that?

Obama’s father wasn’t able to apply for SS as he was never a U.S. Citizen,,,,

Okay then! Well, I guess that I’ll see y’all over at http://politijab.com/phpBB3/index.php?sid=3ad87cc773f7a8b97c37bcd7df216473 where you’ll register yourself on up and start resurrecting all the hoary debunked theories of the birferz and kicking obot azz real soon, right?

Sorry, I meant to say “apply for his son.” I applied for both of my sons’ SS #’s right after they were born. I doubt that Obama senior did this while he was living in Connecticut, and there is no record of the President ever living there at the age of 16. I think HuffPo was trying to suggest that while his father was living in Connecticut a SS # was obtained for the President.

Pluto, how much is Obama & Gang paying you and PJFoggy to spread the lies of the Obama camp???

Why not just try and refute the above posts, right here!? Because you can’t!

IF OBAMA HAS NOTHING TO HIDE THEN RELEASE THE DAMN RECORDS! IT’S AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3_hSnBvEHo

ORYR — A lot, actually! You’d be amazed how well I’m living now.

As to responding to all the poop right here, it makes me tired just thinking of all the time I’d be wasting responding to each and every old canard, lie, and fairy tale y’all are dredging up agin here for the umpteenth time.

Why don’t you come to the mother lode of debunking and try to un-bunk all the debunk?

First, y’all buy into Orly’s multi-ssn BS, then you buy into the ban on travel to Pakistan travel BS, the demand for documentation no POTUS ever has had to produce and on and on and on. It’s all crap but the wishful thinking about reversing the last election by the black fella…keeps ya going without fail OR real hope of success. It’s hilarious.

Come on, folks, you can’t tell me you’s ‘fraid of the Obots can ya? For that matter, y’all oughta be cutting a wide swath through all the debunking going on at Doc Conspiracy’s place right there where it’s happening! You’re so smart, it’ll be easy! No need to hide out here.

Get going!

http://politijab.com/phpBB3/index.php?sid=3ad87cc773f7a8b97c37bcd7df216473

That’s what I thought! Spin Spin SPIN! That is all you Obots can do… that and use the tactic of ridicule…

The SS# is confirmed via the Selective Service website… You can ignore that fact all day long and divert attention elsewhere but that isn’t going to change it…

It’s pretty simple; if Obama has nothing to hide and is legit then he should just release the records!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3_hSnBvEHo

That’s what I thought! Yak Yak YAK! That is all you Birfers can do…. that and buy up every nutjob conspiracy theory that comes down the pike…

The SS# conspiracy theory is but one more shiny object that captures the fancy of those who can’t stand having lost an election.

It’s pretty simple; if you’ve got anything worthy of argument and can prove the POTUS isn’t the legitimate POTUS you should just come on over to Politijab and amaze us with your intellect and your arguments!

The CONNECTICUT ISSUED SS# is confirmed via the Selective Service website… You can ignore that fact all day long and divert attention elsewhere but that isn’t going to change it… ROFLMFAO

It’s pretty simple; if Obama has nothing to hide and is legit then he should just release the records!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3_hSnBvEHo

Connecticut doesn’t issue SS#’s. Just the Feds…

But be that as it may, your problem is that the SSN issue doesn’t prove a damned thing. It’s discussed endlessly and there are various possibilities and not necessarily criminal or fraudulent. We don’t really know the answer but we DO know (those of us with two wits to rub together) that it don’t mean jack in reference to eligibility for POTUS.

So y’all keep rolling on the floor laughing your arse off. It’ll give you something to pretend to be doing rather than showing us all your smarts at Politijab.

Thank yew!