Rick Perry = Obama, bell, toll. Even you disgruntled, degenerate libs can do this math. 
You libs want to know what a ” real ” American is…….NOT YOU!

“Real ” American is not You either. It is all of us.

very good go——————-w w w j o r d a n f o r w o r l d c o m
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Tea Party doing their best to lose touch with reality
with the ridiculous extremes of language. They now have an urgent desire to
try Ben Bernake for treason for doing his job.

I wonder if they spend time staring at the sun and pointing like
Neanderthals, while saying ‘It Burns!’ 

to be fair we are gonna try him. Its not as if  that “son of a b itch” will be “taken out”

you’re a “real” something….a real idiot

Er, which enemy was Bernanke aiding and comforting?  The Soviets?  The Viet Cong?  Aleutian Islanders?

Ugh. Aleutian Islanders.  Don’t get me started.

As a Ron Paul supporter I no longer support or care about the Tea Party.

It’s just redneck, Christianist, war mongering tyrants.  

Hey Tommy, since the debate’s over now, are you and Colby Hall going to slow down the steady stream of snide and snotty little comments directed toward the tea party people? Why do you feel it’s your job to mock them, does a bunch of middle age tax payers who want government to live within their means threaten you so much?

Maybe FoxNation.com would better provide the “objectivity”  that defines you as a human being.

Well shit. I agree with you on that David.

Seriously man, wtf has that got to do with anything I said? Jesus, what a mook. Look, when you think (in your own little mind) that you have a cool little tidbit to add, (which you didn’t) at least wait for the proper springboard.

The GOP/Tea Party base cheers for death more than Jihadist.
Death for those that can’t afford Health Insurance. 
Death for Bernanke because “treason”
Death for crimes. 

i guess tommy wants us to cut some slack to krugman, and a guy that will play politics with the value of the dollar

Wolfie misstated and misrepresented what Perry said, and Perry corrected him.  That of course, the facts, are not the headline here.

nope, instead TC shows us his liberal colours again.  Where is your sympathy for Perry, given he was being attacked all night?  Oh wait, Perry is a conservative, he doesn’t get your sympathy…only looney lefties do that.

I no longer care for the Tea Party either. Dr.Paul was being honest to the audience whether they like it or not.

Savages.

Why do you spell “colours” like a European-educated elitist? Why do you hate America??

That was AMAZING!!!

I couldn’t believe it when I saw it! My jaw actually dropped!

In the end it’s good though.

It really shows what the TeaBagger Cult is all about!!!

What you obviously fail to understand is that the teaturds are self-parodying. They don’t need anyone to mock them.

The Real story was that the Tea Party cheered for the death of unisured people…. and Ron Paul made the analogy that “freedom” is dying with healthcare.

It really shows what the TeaBagger Cult is all about!!!

Yep, taking responsibility for your own actions.

Get real. Rick Perry = Obama’s best case scenario. Perry’s appeal doesn’t go beyond right wing christianist teatard goons (or in Republispeak, “real Americans”). Nominate Perry and you’re probably looking at a 40 state Obama landslide.

No, he made the case that private charity and friends and family are more capable of dealing with medical financial crisis than the federal government is, but that’s not what you heard, because you’re well trained to have your puppetmaster interpret the English language for you. It doesn’t matter whether he was right or wrong, what matters is that you didn’t even hear him.

Holy crap… This whole time I thought you were for real. Linking to Neil Diamond is a tip of the hand… Must be!

Why do you feel so threatened by them that you feel obligated to speak out against them?

You don’t know how to interpret polls do you?

Gar1956 lwants to know if you like Tommy’s bags in your mouth. Both of you are one trick ponies..

dear mediate admins: please put up the video of the crowd cheering when wolf asked if someone 30 yrs old doesnt have insurance should the government let them die.? good moral code always come from the christians!

Please spread the narrative that TeaBagger Cult would let people die that don’t have insurance.

It’s perfect!!!

It’s a WINNER!!!!

More TeaBagger Cult fantasies!!! 

Civilization got along some how for thousands of years without government health care. How come in the last 30 years (out of thousands of years) this is suddenly a necessity? It isn’t. It’s nothing more than political posturing with guilt ridden creeping socialism diguised as compassion.

Newsflash asswipes, people been dyin’ forever, you can’t and won’t be able to save everybody, but you will go broke trying.

Morons.

those tea party fanatics.  it sure is a good thing that they’re less popular
than atheists and muslims, otherwise, we’d be totally f*cked!

why are you a coward? that is not attacking your tea party beliefs. that is attacking you personally for being a coward.

Unfortunately for you cute little darlings, it doesn’t matter what you’re reading over the DU or the Kos, since only college kids and whacked out extremists visit there anyway. Nice try though, you guys say the darndest things! :)

You just don’t get it do ya? You are totally fu*ked. Anybody on that stage will win the general, you Boy King is toast.

Did you see what you wrote? seemed like you were talking about somebody’s bags
Grafx wrote
That was AMAZING!!!I couldn’t believe it when I saw it! My jaw actually dropped!In the end it’s good though.

And I’m a coward because .. ? C’mon, you can think of something better than that to vent your frustration at your ideology being a complete dud, once everyone saw it for what it is. :)

I remember the good ole days, about 3 years ago, when the TEA party stood for fiscal conservatism. The neoconservatives have effectively put an end to that by poisoning the whole movement with their bible-thumping, holier-than-thou base. I say fuck them and their whining, finger-pointing and lies.

Yes.  We are screwed.  Watching this debate makes me sad.  Obama is doomed for sure… Just messing with you… Good luck getting the Paul Libertarians, Parry/ Bachmann Teavangelicals and Romney/Gingrigh Mainstream into some sort of organized opposition.  Three brands of fundamentalism bursting at their shared seams to prove their micro distinct truth.  Enjoy that!

What do you tea baggers have against free speech? Why do lie about your loyalty to the Constitution?

Wiener’s vacated seat in NY will be a good indicator as to how the general will go in 2012..  if the republican even comes close then Obama stands no chance in 12…  his party will position themselves as far away from him as they can for their own survival.

His jobs plan will be a complete failure as he is looking for a huge tax increase to pay for it without doing any tax reform…  He continues to regulate the economy to it’s detriment…  Did you say that Obama is toast?  Yeah I would think that is just about right…

There’s so much idiocy in your post that it’s almost like shooting fish in a barrel. You exemplify the selfish, backwards, trailer park mentality of the teaturds. You rail about “thousands of years of civilization,” but stupidly ignore the fact that for most of those years health care meant leeches, bloodletting and drilling holes in one’s head (which is obviously a treatment you’ve had).

Man, you’re a moron.

As I said the first time…..Keep Projecting!!

Mental midget TeaBagger Cult Fantasies!!!

What a JOKE!! HAHHHAHAHHAH!!!!!

Maybe you haven’t noticed…  Europe is imploding… All the comparisons that you guys love to make about all the civilized countries of the world will soon become examples of why we should never follow down their path…

Really man, this is what you guys have? Are you like, the same sixth grade kid logging in with several names, or what?

Look, I know you little rascals are pretty pissed that no one outside of Evergreen College actually buys into the progressive bullshit, but look at it this way, you had more of a chance than you deserved, then the country woke up. :)

Wow…..You TeaBagger Cult members really are willfully ignorant.

CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC are going to report on all the ‘Republican Extremism’ 

This really is PERFECT!!!!

It shows the TeaBagger Cult Nation as they are!

No it wont’. at la.  only reason it is close is because something stupid a democratic candidate said

why are you lying fedup in florida “in the name of free speech”

you’re a poosey

no. europe is not imploding. a couple countries in europe is imploding. europe is not a country you fscktard so stop speaking like it is.

it is a continent.

can I shave your poosey?

 He made his case. But that aint what the crowd cheered about watch the tape.

You tea bagging conservatives are nuts. And losers. Your like has one the way of the dodo. Dildos.

 wieners seat means nothing. And if you think it does then why wouldn’t the republican who lost in western new york  in a district that has never elected a democrat mean something?

Two months ago, the Democrat, Kathy Hochul, was considered an all-but-certain loser in the race against the Republican, Jane Corwin. But Ms. Hochul seized on the Republican’s embrace of the proposal from Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, to overhaul Medicare, and she never let up.On Tuesday, she captured 47 percent of the vote to Ms. Corwin’s 43 percent, according to unofficial results. A Tea Party candidate, Jack Davis, had 9 percent.Voters, who turned out in strikingly large numbers for a special election, said they trusted Ms. Hochul, the county clerk of Erie County, to protect Medicare.“I have almost always voted the party line,” said Gloria Bolender, a Republican from Clarence who is caring for her 80-year-old mother. “This is the second time in my life I’ve voted against my party.”Pat Gillick, a Republican from East Amherst, who also cast a ballot for Ms. Hochul, said, “The privatization of Medicare scares me.”

Actually. that is also the canadian way to spell it.

Wow!

That’s the absolute most ignorant thing you’ve ever posted.

Thank you for espousing the TeaBagger Cult Agenda ever more!!!

Congrats!

Looks like some folks have no sense of humour.

Bernake is a totally useless tool, and regardless of who gets elected, no one is going to charge him with treason.  But just the thought was hilarious.

Jesus, get a grip.

Why don’t you answer my question? You guys always conveniently forget the Constitution when it comes to calling for the head of someone with whom you disagree, but you’re the first to say we need to go back and follow it to the letter. Why the hypocrisy? It’s a fair question.

kochsuckers like you deserve all the scorn you recieve….you  baggers are idiots….tommy gave you winnuts a break by not mentioning that you dipshits also cheered for uninsured americans to die if they fall into a coma…..Obama is gonna kick the shitkickers off whichever candidate you hobbits roll out there to challenge him im starting to feel a little sorry for you pieces of shit

That garbled mess was almost English. Better luck next time, lad.

Gotta love when a bunch of secessionists like Perry and his cult try to decide who is a ‘real’ american and lecture us on patriotism.

of course Palin thought Africa was a country, so you might be going over tea party heads here.

LOL
because presidential elections are always decided by isolated special elections for the House.
The Dems picked up a seat in a red district in NY recently. I have a hard time believing the electorate is winging that much in just a few months

cut the corporate tax rate to 0%?!

ok. 

that won’t blow a huge revenue hole or anything…..lol

Santorum is dripping down his chin :D

Man. Loudly cheering a state where you can see the damn line move to the death chamber, then cheering putting someone on trial for treason…

These goobers scare the hell out of me. It’s all bumper stickers and pro wrestling and “kill the bastards!” It’s mouth breathing and flag waving and chest thumping. It’s “Red Dawn” and Miller Lite and handgun collections.

Christ. 

They also cheered the death of a 30 year old uninsured man. But Mediaite wouldn’t touch that with a 10 foot poll. More FoxNation.com jr. behavior from Mediaite.

But thank you tea party Republicans for showing the country your true colors. Liberals and Barack Obama love you for it.

These people cheered when wolf blitzer asked ron paul if an uninsured 30 yr old man should just die. I am not a fan of Barack Obama let me make this clear to the teabaggers, With that out of the way is this not further proof that the teabagerrs are nuts. That crowd was filled with mental patients. The inmates are running the assylum in the GOP, Was it me or was everyone there asking questions in the audience and the other people outside the studio who asked questions, they were all white old people, serioulsy is there no diversity in among the teabaggers. Congratulations to Barack Obama even with a 9.1 unemployment rate., you will  be reelected President.

i couldn’t agree more

If CNN had half a brain or even one ball between them they would have fruedian slipped Obama in place of Bernanke. 
 
That would have brought the house down…literally.

Depend on friends and family, that’s your solution.. wow. Ron Paul is an idiot… ya know.. no offense. His idea of America is not American. He hasn’t thought through his ideas and it’s starting to really show. DId you see his pained expression during this exchange? It’s him slowly realizing he’s lost his ethics.

The libertarians are the ones that cheered, not the conservatives.. people need to realize, libertarians in the tea party want an “ever man for himself” country… well sorry but we’re in the 21′st century, the times of the old west are over, we don’t need to let people die anymore. Grow the **** up.

Yes, and you’re going to support Obama just like you did in 2008, which means nobody is fighting for your vote. Stop pretending you’re anything other than a moonbat.

Now the Tea Party are no longer pointing at the sun pointing and hissing ‘It Burns!’ No instead their doing it to Ben Bernanke.

It’s progress of a kind I suppose…

My jaw dropped, too when I heard the screams in response to the question what should happen to a guy who doesn´t pay health insurance and gets sick.

The right wing loons are radical and extremists and dangerous.

What weird bunch of crowd, booing Ron Paul and cheering this insanity. 

 Please dont feed the trolls

Overall I give the debate high grades; much better than the questions asked by bowing Brian and his liberal Politico buddy last week.  Wolf should issue an apology to Perry for misquoting him and trying to slander him by misstating his quote.  Wolf knows better and his “slip” was clearly intentional.

Let him Stop printing money and see their reaction – stupid.  Rational reform and rollback of the Fed. now that would be smart.

If what they mean is our elected officials have not been working for us but rather the global finance market for decades – well that is a fact.  Glad they are awake.  Now either give the middle class zero taxes (like Exxon, GE, Verison, Yahoo, Federal Express to name a few) or start taxing everyone (sure throw in the poor family of four earning 19000 bucks why not)…

Sure there is diversity, but it was CNN’s producers who selected who would ask the questions.

Sure there is diversity, but it was CNN’s producers who selected who would ask the questions.

If Governor Rick Perry really believes that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke is “almost” guilty of violating statutes of Title 18, Chapter 115 of U.S. Code, he should name and describe those statutes, and explain to America why the Federal Reserve Chairman has come close to violating them.

TITLE 18, CHAPTER 115—TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_115.html

There is, indeed, a high ranking, national political “voice”, in America, that is violating (not almost) several subsection statutes of Title 18, Chapter 115, but he was not on that stage last night. He sells his coded, subliminal, seditious, Presidential assassination rhetoric, from behind his “golden EIB microphone”. They call him… the “Maha Rushie”.

Link:Why America Should Have Seen Rush Limbaugh’s Treasonous Activities Coming

The Left is freaking out. This is a good thing. It’s fun to watch. Left nuts begin attacks in…3…2…1…

“what weird bunch of crowd, . . . ”

What the hell does that even mean?  Bunch of crowd?  Huh?

Have you had a good look at the left-wing freaks out there lately?

For being so totally unpopular, your lefty heros Obama, Pelosi, and Reid sure credit them with having an awful lot of power.

And Obama thinks there are 57 states.

Good question, from a student. Now let me break it down for ya, listen.

Bunch: a connected group; cluster: a bunch of grapes.
2.a group of things: a bunch of papers.
3.Informal . a group of people: They’re a fine bunch of students.
4.a knob; lump; protuberance.
verb (used with object)
5.to group together; make a bunch of.

Crowd:
noun
1. a large number of persons gathered closely together; throng: a crowd of angry people.
2.any large number of persons.
3.any group or set of persons with something in common: The restaurant attracts a theater crowd.
4.audience; attendance: Opening night drew a good crowd.
5.the common people; the masses: He feels superior to the crowd.

True one can use either of the two in a sentence, however its a large group a section of the crowd’s behavior is odd. So to separate the noisy/annoying ones from the group, I made it clear that it’s a bunch from the crowd. Hench bunch of crowd. Let me know if that is sufficient.

What you mean is that you liked the fact that it was a total tea party panderosa. No tough questions, no positions challenged, no thought beyond what will make the bloodthirsty crowds cheer.

Gee, I can’t imagine why they say that conservatives live in a bubble.

“Left nuts begin attacks in…3…2…1..”
Aren’t comments such as these more timely when made soon after the article is posted, which in this case was yesterday evening?

It’s been fun reading all of the hateful vitriol in the comments here. The Tea Party may not have intended to drive the left wing fringe the rest of way over the edge, but the comments here show that’s what they’re doing. In that regard, they seem to be winning. Little by little the Tea Party is convincing me I should be more sympathetic toward them. They look a lot more mainstream after reading these comments.

Yeah! “Let him Die”. 

I am sure it gave you goosebumps.

You mean, “shooting their bullets through the roof,” don’t you? Because that’s just the type of rootin’ tootin’ redneck audience this was. 

With republicans like these, the number of democratic votes will increase to twice the number last election. 

Yes – please show that video!!!

Jesus! Can’t you idiots stay on topic at all?!?!

Why do you attribute different spelling with elitism? Are people who look different from you also “exotic?” Have you ever left your tiny, tiny, little world?

First, I can’t “listen” to the written word.
Second, your answer shows your lack of simple grammar.

You simply have a tough time with comprehension, don’t you? Read what I wrote, and then tell me why the above comment has any relevancy whatsoever.

Hey, aren’t you guys always patting yourself on the back for being really, really smart? Where are you on this one? :)

Calm down, sperm eater!

Shave your own first.

I can picture GrafX with Barney Franks sack over is face.

Look junior, you’re going to have to go back and take “Leftist Puppet 1.01″ again. If you’re going to come out with a “why are you a racist, anti-American jerkoff” question, you need to at least pick _something_, man, you can’t just pull that out of your ass and expect people to take you seriously.

Oh, and by the way, were you mad when you found out your dad was a male prostitute?

I kinda see this election as being more akin to Scott Brown’s election in MA than it is with Hochul’s election, the president was able to successfully lie about SS and Medicare right before that election, but as even he has put the reform of those two programs onto the table now he will not be able to repeat his lie.  

During Hochul’s election the republicans had done a poor job of laying the ground work to frame the debate about SS/Medicare, it is different now, this time it is more about democratic policies.  We will see what happens today and in the coming months but if the Dem loses IMO you will see members of the Democratic party distance themselves from the president because as with most politicians they concern themselves more with their own political careers than they do with principles.

Social Security and Medicare both are in trouble, this is not to say that they cannot be saved but real adjustments must be made to those programs to insure their viability into the future…  just look at cbo reports on the two programs the information is easy to find…  That was the lie the dems used to beat Corwin in that election, they will not beable to use this lie for much longer and if they push it to far it will backfire because as the public learn more about the two programs they see that the republicans were correct in opening the debate as to how to save them.  

In all seriousness, I am concerned for you, get yourself some help.

You are standing off the base now !

Just stay away from our American foxes , skyfet .

Stop with the “Real American” crap already. What makes you one? I bet you were never even in the military or did something good for this country..
The Tea Party contingent last night were a disgrace. They cheered treason, death to an uninsured citizen..Just disgraceful–yet to an individual, I am all sure they would say they are great Christians.
They wouldnt know the meaning of Jesus Christ’s teachings if it him them in the face..
The Tea Party should look themselves in the mirror after last night-and they shouldnt like what they see in their reflection..

Freaking out? Surely you jest. The more exteme the right want’s to go with their rhetoric, the better, because most people find that repulsive. So bring on the that un-constitutional ponzi scheme that is social security, and isn’t it about time for the federal reserve to be dispanded, and for gold to become our new standard?

The tea party are largely for common sense and the obvious (don’t spend money you don’t have).  The extreme left has a hard time with the first, but the latter really drives them crazy.  I doubt the tea party will become a mainstream party, I think it more likely the Republicans (possible Dems but I really really doubt it) will begin to take on tea party positions on issues as their own.  As long as they stay true to those positions I think a lot of the tea party supporters will put their support (and whatever cash donations) to that party instead of the tea party.  That said, I also don’t see the tea party caucus being something that goes away for a long time to come, I just don’t think it’ll be a third major party. My hope is the tea party will dominate the next two elections, but I’d bet by 2016 one or the other of the traditional parties will have their act together – one can always hope (for change, ha ha).

Outstanding Sharpo!  I love it when I can learn from intellectuals such as yourself… And here I thought that Europe was a country, please excuse my ignorance…

BTW maybe you would like to let Bob “shave your poosie”.  

listen (ˈlɪs ə n)

— vb
1.to concentrate on hearing something
2.to take heed; pay attention: I told you many times but you wouldn’t listen

I was telling you to pay attention, common sense would have allowed you to take notice of what was meant.

Isn’t ironic that an individual trying to find fault with someone else’s grammar states this in his rebuttal ‘hows your lack of simple grammar’.

Why didn’t you use caps on you Fox.

I just love how Death Panels are the worst thing ever, but letting someone die in a hospital because he has no insurance or a fed chairman being lead to the chair, elicits cheers from these backward, mouth breathing hicks.  Inbred dolts-all of ‘em!

If the tea partiers want to be respected, they should stop cheering for the death of someone who’s in a comma and should be allowed to just die. That’s not going to fly with most conservatives let alone indepdents. That “Yeah” outburst from some tea partiers in the crowd is not how conservatives want to be portrayed.  

I think I touched a crowd of nerve           Ahhhhhhh 

Wow, really? Who’d have thunk? But they do fall under the flag of the EU, and as such, they did impose a common currency, no? Who’s the fucktard now, dummy?

I’m not sure that a trial is appropriate for Bernanke, but there’s certainly no harm in appointing a special prosecutor to investigate him.

BTW Sharpo, what can you tell us about the EU…  Can you speculate what would  happen if Germany were to turn it’s back on Greece?  Can you tell me if the EU is strong enough to carry it’s banking system out of the current default crisis, what if those predicting the same crisis in both Spain and Italy are correct?  Will Belgium soon follow?  What does all this mean for the Euro and the interwoven economy of the EU?  Are Germany and the EBC strong enough to pull other member nations back from the brink…  What does all this mean for our own economy and our stock market, what can I do with my 401k to protect myself from an impending disaster?, come on “poosie shaver” you understand that Europe is a continent and not a country, so certainly you have the answers and can help a dumbass teabagger like me understand these things…    

On the contrary, calling someone out on their BS is good.  Obviously treason is way over the top but its meant rhetorically.  The point is his performance has been so wrong and injurious to this country that there should be no question of removing him – it should be a no brainer – and yet Washington doesn’t seem to operate with a brain – which was one of the reasons for the tea party to come into existence in the first place.

Aggressive Top seeking fem sub bottom for afternoon pounding – I can host UWS  90′s -D/D Free – thick like a tennis ball can.

You are crazy. Seek advice from a professional.

Oh no, sperm eating is a sin!!! So much more disgusting than wishing people death.

do u belive a 30 yr old man should be left to die in a hospiatal?

I said…

If Governor Rick Perry really believes that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke is “almost” guilty of violating statutes of Title 18, Chapter 115 of U.S. Code, he should name and describe those statutes, and explain to America why the Federal Reserve Chairman has come close to violating them.

TITLE 18, CHAPTER 115—TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIEShttp://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sup_01_18_10_I_20_115.html

There is, indeed, a high ranking, national political “voice”, in America, that is violating (not almost) several subsection statutes of Title 18, Chapter 115, but he was not on that stage last night. He sells his coded, subliminal, seditious, Presidential assassination rhetoric, from behind his “golden EIB microphone”. They call him… the “Maha Rushie”.

Link: Why America Should Have Seen Rush Limbaugh’s Treasonous Activities Coming

NonElite fires back with a brilliant rebuttal…

In all seriousness, I am concerned for you, get yourself some help.

Wow, what an incredibly powerful, point by point refutation of the evidence presented. With a single one line, ad hominem, red herring zinger, MonElite has completely, and successfully rebutted the entire Title 18, Chapter 115 case against Rush Limbaugh. Then again, maybe not?

Just as much as you believe an unborn child should be vacuumed out of his mother’s belly and left to die.

well well well…what have we here? It sure didn’t take long for the attacks to start, now did it?

I took your silly “seriousness” top-side…

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnntea-party-debate-crowd-cheers-trying-ben-bernanke-for-treason/#comment-308628103

I agree on the latter of your comment, but I don’t understand your first sentence. My point is that it’s way over the top for some in the tea party audience to be saying “Yeah”, when asked if someone in a coma should just be allowed to die. Do you agree with that?.

The Tea Party is made up of individuals of all political persuasions and backgrounds, in spite of being labeled by the left, as Republicans/Conservatives only. What has really hampered the Obama presidency, imo, from the get-go, is the left, led by Pelosi, hijacking the Obama presidency, with its radical extremist agenda.  Neither the left or right decides elections; moderates in the middle decide elections, always. The leftist agenda by Pelosi is THE reason Obama lost the majority of moderates and unless he breaks free from Pelosi’s grip, his numbers will continue to drop. Personally, I am one of those individuals who doesn’t care for either major party and never will. The fringe left pundits, also,  especially on MSNBC, have done Obama’s presidency more harm, than any of Obama’s opposition ever have, or ever will, with all the mocking, screaming, ridiculing, and threatening of its opposition. True, the fringes on the left can scream, kick, and threaten, louder than all the other political groups combined, however, that fringe group makes up fewer than 20% of the voting population. If Obama doesn’t kick Pelosi and the fringe left under the bus, the 2012 election likely will go further downhill, for Obama. The fringe left needs to crawl back under its rock. JMO.

do u belive a 30 yr old man should be left to die in a hospiatal?     

Okay, but then you guys need to stop calling yourself pro-life. You are anti-abortion. That is all.

uh…  although I enjoyed our conversation about the religious beliefs of our founders you really are a little bit out there…  Perry is speaking metaphorically as in “Printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history is almost treasonous in my opinion.”.

Perry is addressing the devaluation of the dollar and America’s savings as well as their asset accounts, be it their homes during this crisis, or their stocks and bonds..  During recent years it can be argued that the dollar has lost up 20% of it’s value because of deficit spending coupled with the Fed’s QE programs…  This is a hidden tax on all Americans and is especially hard on seniors who have fixed incomes and mostly fixed assets and investment accounts that are monetary based, as in treasuries and bonds.  

Worst part is that if the devaluation figure is correct that means that the government has taken 20% of America’s savings, and reduced short-term employment related incomes by 20% as salaries are not yet able to rise, to facilitate the low interest borrowing of the federal government, all of which is still newly acquired debt that will still have to be repaid by future generations…  

Again, Perry is speaking metaphorically, but yes, there are those among us that feel these practices by both the Fed and the federal government is wrong, and damaging to the American people, and if it is being done to promote a political agenda then yes…  that would be  akin to treason as it is very damaging to many Americans as it is destroying their fiscal security.  

Um, where is the story about how the audience actually cheered the notion of letting the uninsured DIE from perfectly treatable conditions?  

Second time in less than a week that a GOP crowd has burst out into cheers about letting innocent people die.  How very Christian of them.

Good thing that as a lefty you don’t care about Christians anyway.  Maybe this will help you deal with it: pretend the innocent people dying are the unborn, then you can cheer their deaths on and feel real good.

I actually wrote “shows your lack of simple grammar” but then again, you can’t expect anything approaching the truth coming from a commie lib.

I would never cheer the thought of ANYONE dying.  

This is why I have spent my entire life arguing for increased access to the one thing we know prevents abortions from ever even being contemplated – affordable contraception.  

As I have said many times on this site, I continue to thank goodness every single day that Planned Parenthood was there to empower my girlfriends and myself growing up; because of PP – and PP alone – I never had to face an unplanned pregnancy, nor did any of my close friends.

You libs love death, especially in the form of abortion.

I must have touched a nerve. Keep digging. If I’m a commie? What does it makes ya?

You can’t afford a simple condom?  You may want to seek employment.

A couple of idiots = crowd?

Oh sorry, I hadn’t picked up on the coma patient question (only watched a little of the debate since wife hates politics), I thought you were using an analogy about Bernanke.  For a hypothetical coma patient my leaning would be towards protecting their interests and safety the same as any other person unable for whatever reason to protect themselves.  I think it depends on the circumstances though, if a person expresses to a family member they are ok with being ‘put down’ if in a coma then I think its ok to do that if that is the recommendation of the doctors and the family doesn’t have a significant objection.  I haven’t made the decision about myself, but without committing to it I think I’d arrive at the conclusion if I were to be a burden (medical bills) if kept alive and the doctors felt there was no chance of even partial recovery I’d want my family to end my life, but if there is a chance I’d come out of the coma I’d want them to give me and the doctors the time to work towards that.

No one believes that, I’m sure, including me.

Condoms are hardly 100% effective.  As someone who is no longer allowed to be on birth control for medical reasons, I can attest to how stressful this knowledge can be.

Beyond that, many responsible people – myself included, before I developed blood clots – choose to use both condoms and oral contraception, so as to drastically reduce the possibility that any mistakes might occur.  You know – to prevent a potential unplanned pregnancy and the gut-wrenching decisions that follow it.

Thanks for providing the evidence of being a know-nothing. I guess you’re only in the movement for the balls in your mouth aspect of it.

Sorry buddy, I voted for McCain in 08, despite the fact that he had no shot after he announced who his running mate would be. People who think for themselves and don’t vote along party lines make your head explode, don’t they? Just like Ron Paul makes the baggers’ heads explode because they agree with half of the things he says, yet they’ll boo him fervently when he “dares” to question the general consensus of why 9/11 happened in the first place.

God, you’re cute! I’m glad I wasn’t drinking milk when I read that. Seriously, tell me your age, don’t lie now, and have you ever been employed for more than three months at a time? (Taco Bell don’t count)

Bloodthirsty right wing loons wanting people to die has exactly nothing to do with abortions.

You gonna tell for example Rep. Jackie Speier she felt good about her abortion or any other woman who went though that?

You are sick as the ones who cheered  last night, or gave a warm applause to the number 1 executioner of the death penalty in the country.

Such people are also referred to by doctors as psychopaths or sociopaths.

You said it not me.

You said it not me.

Only in your twisted mind, not here in the real world.

This is the funniest thing I’ve read all day.  They could run a warm corpse against Obama and he’d lose. Enjoy it while it lasts, comrade.

Someone’s been drinking the Haterade.

I LOVE THIS!!!

As I always say, just keep exposing this TeaBagger Cult!!!

The TeaBagger Cult is going down in flames and it’s beautiful!!!

I have no doubt that you have a lot of pictures like that!!!

HAAHAHAHHHAHHAHAAH!!!!

Since Obama just opened up his lead over Perry, I’d say you’re the one who’s poll illiterate.

I believe it was parody.

That’s cute.  Tommy Christopher is trying to give off the impression that near all normal American’s wouldn’t applaud the notion of throwing Ben Bernanke behind bars.  The inconceivable thing is that those of the political left who post here (and write articles about how their “ever so shocked!  shocked I tell you! at the baseness of it all”) think criticism from the people shouldn’t naturally come the way of one of those most responsible for the rising cost of everyday goods.  Just goes to shows how divorced from reality they are to not understand most people would love to see he who coined the despised term “too big to fail” be thrown to the curb.

Funny, the Teabaggers do not think that a call for succession is not treason.

There’s always abstinence.

Yes, well considering that I am a grown adult in a healthy, committed relationship, I have zero interest in that.  

But thank you for acknowledging what this is actually about – punishing people for daring to engage in consensual sexual relationships.

Hard to tell last nigth during the debate?

Hard to tell last nigth during the debate?

Hard to tell last nigth during the debate?

…when making a funny joke about how hard he’d been working and how the travel was a blur.

But it’s ok, we know the only thing funny to Conservatwits is the death of needy fellow citizens and sexist/racist high comedy.

uh…  although I enjoyed our conversation about the religious beliefs of our founders you really are a little bit out there…

You, and Rick Perry, think that Fed Chairman Bernanke is “metaphorically” guilty of “almost treason”. I, on the other hand, think that Rush Limbaugh is actually guilty of violating statutes of Title 18, Chapter 115, of the U.S. Code. The title of that U.S. Code Chapter is TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES. ”Treasonous activities”, all.

The Bernanke vs Limbaugh Treasonous Activities Challenge.

Are you up for it, Fedup in Florida? Here’s how it would work. You would gather your evidence of Bernanke’s metaphoric violations of Title 18, Chapter 115, and present them, with your analysis. While you’re doing that, I’ll be presenting the evidence of Limbaugh’s violations of Title 18, Chapter 115, that I have gathered. Deal?

I can see that your posts will be about as popular here as they are over at Politico…  

Good Luck with that..

The reality is, many of those posts, at Politco, went gangbusters, in “User area” terms, and they only came to a stop, when your side said… “Run away!” I assume that that, is what will occur here at Mediaite, as we procede. Let’s find out.

CHAPTER 115—TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES

§2384. Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

2385. Advocating overthrow of Government

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

§2389. Recruiting for service against United States

Whoever recruits soldiers or sailors within the United States, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, to engage in armed hostility against the same; or Whoever opens within the United States, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, a recruiting station for the enlistment of such soldiers or sailors to serve in any manner in armed hostility against the United States—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

I wonder if they (these idiots)  know that Bernanke was appointed by Bush? I’m guessing these lunatics think he’s an Obama appointee.

Treason _Detector,
If you are actually advocating for the Federal Government to prosecute Rush Limbaugh, then you are advocating for them to violate his First Amendment rights. Not only that I have yet to see you offer one shred of evidence that Limbaugh has attempted to over throw the government. Trying to get people to vote conservative does not fit the charge. 

You can’t yell “Fire! in a crowded theater, so there are obvious limits to the First Amendment. Why would the United States Congress write statutes like Title 18, Chapter 115, §2384. Seditious conspiracy, §2385. Advocating overthrow of Government, and §2389. Recruiting for service against United States, if it’s okay for someone, with a national audience, to say anything that they want, subliminal or not, regarding the assassination of a President, to elicit a “regime” change?

Todd, please explain, to America, why it was necessary for Rush Limbaugh to put President Barack Obama’s campaign logo in the “dead center” of that rifle target?

Treason_Dectector,
First off you need to learn how to cite Federal Statutes. The proper form is 18 U.S.C. §2384 Seditious Conspiracy. If you want to know why Congress passed it, go read the original Public law made the original statute.
As to your exhibit A, you need to learn what Rifle Scope Sites look like. That is not a Rifle Scope site, that is a Surveyors map (Geodetic) marker. This information comes from the person that holds Oklahoma Land Surveyor’s license #930, my father. It marks a point on a map. The fact that Obama’s Campaign symbol is on the inside means nothing. 
This is an open rife sight: http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-page-main/ehow/images/a04/l3/v2/open-rifle-sights-work-800×800.jpg
Rifle Scopes do not have lines extending past the circle, geodetic marks on a map do.
Got any better evidence? Cause this exhibit fails to prove what you say it does.

Duly noted, but a bit trivial, as attorneys do this themselves, all the time. Have you not heard attorneys refer to ”Chapter 11 bankruptcy” or a “Subchapter S corporation”, a lot?

Your “Surveyors map (Geodetic) marker” excuse was the same one that surfaced after the Gabby Giffords shooting, and the brouhaha over Sara Palin’s pre-shooting campaign maps. In Palin’s case, I think it was just a ditsy, unintentional fluke. This rifle-sight-like, image conflation, by Limbaugh, on the other hand, was intentional. He knew, from the Giffords – Palin target “brouhaha” controversy, how the average American is unaware of that distinction between the two symbols.

See for yourself. This is a Google image search for “rifle target symbol”. Admittedly most of the symbol’s “crosshairs” don’t extend past their scope’s circumference, but a good number do…

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=988&q=rifle+target+sight&gbv=2&oq=rifle+target+sight&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2281l8609l0l9844l18l18l0l4l1l0l203l1859l4.8.2l14l0

Treason_Detector,
Those that do extend past are “targets” that get shot. Not “Sights” that get used to aim the shot through. Why now do you need it to be a target, rather than the sight that you started with in your exhibit A? “There was no reason to put President Obama’s “Hope and Change” campaign logo in the “dead” center of that rifle sight, other than to suggest one thing to his Dittoheads and Two If By Tea™ Tea Partiers.” You can have one or the other, not both. Yet you even refer to both in the post above in the same sentence. “This rifle-sight-like, image conflation, by Limbaugh, on the other hand, was intentional. He knew, from the Giffords – Palin target “brouhaha” controversy, how the average American is unaware of that distinction between the two symbols.” One is mounted on the weapon, the other is at the other end of the range. You mastery of the English Language for someone that works in the media, is non-existent. The Palin-Giffords brouhaha was as wrong as you Limbaugh “broughaha. So far you have presented zero admissible evidence. Then again you are attempting to have a public opinion trial rather than on in a court of law. this shows how much of a lack of understanding of modern weapons that you possess as well. Optical sights do not hae the lines passing outside the reticle.
A lawyer refers to a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy etc. for laypersons, in documents they always use the # U. S.C. # format.

It didn’t start with Palin. It’s been going on long before the leftists have made a big deal over nothing.

http://www.verumserum.com/media/2010/03/DLC-Targeting-map.gif
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/candidate-targets-congressman-with-crosshairs-in-campaign-ad/

“TMP”

Treason_Detector,
Those that do extend past are “targets” that get shot. Not “Sights” that get used to aim the shot through. Why now do you need it to be a target, rather than the sight that you started with in your exhibit A? “There was no reason to put President Obama’s “Hope and Change” campaign logo in the “dead” center of that rifle sight, other than to suggest one thing to his Dittoheads and Two If By Tea™ Tea Partiers.” You can have one or the other, not both. Yet you even refer to both in the post above in the same sentence. “This rifle-sight-like, image conflation, by Limbaugh, on the other hand, was intentional. He knew, from the Giffords – Palin target “brouhaha” controversy, how the average American is unaware of that distinction between the two symbols.” One is mounted on the weapon, the other is at the other end of the range.

Your assertions are moronic. Let me illustrate. Here’s an image, from Shutterstock, of a “sniper rifle sight” (their descriptive text).

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/103246/103246,1267014501,1/stock-photo-illustration-of-sniper-rifle-sight-or-scope-aiming-at-human-target-isolated-on-white-background-47364094.jpg

I could present dozens, maybe hundreds of similar examples.

“You mastery of the English Language for someone that works in the media is non-existent”.

Too funny. A Dittohead criticizes someone’s correct use of the English language, with butchered, commaless use of the English language. I ran a print, if you correct it, I’ll link to a graphic image of your original post.

The Palin-Giffords brouhaha was as wrong as you Limbaugh “broughaha.

More butchered grammar and spelling from the Dittohead English critic. The “brouhahas” were spot on.

So far you have presented zero admissible evidence. Then again you are attempting to have a public opinion trial rather than on in a court of law. this shows how much of a lack of understanding of modern weapons that you possess as well. Optical sights do not hae the lines passing outside the reticle.

Again, see the image link, above, to better understand the depth of ignorance it takes to make such an assertion.

A lawyer refers to a Chapter 11 Bankruptcy etc. for laypersons, in documents they always use the # U. S.C. # format.

I have not presented a formal, legal document. I have presented an informal, investigative expose that illustrates how Rush Limbaugh is violating multiple statutes in U.S. Code, Title 18, Chapter 115. And, since the Politico and Mediaite audiences are predominately “laypersons”, my using the long form referencing for U.S. Code, is perfectly appropriate.

Treason_Detector,
Actually I have not listened to Limbaugh in over 5 years. So I am not a  Dittohead. I just enjoy proving you wrong. Let us go with the assumption that what you have ins admissible. It still is not proof of a crime. Where were the mil marks on Limbaugh’s “rifle sight” The shutterstock version had it, Limbaugh’s did not. 
“I have presented an informal, investigative expose that illustrates how Rush Limbaugh is violating multiple statutes in U.S. Code, Title 18, Chapter 115. And, since the Politico and Mediaite audiences are predominately “laypersons”, my using the long form referencing for U.S. Code, is perfectly appropriate.” No genius, you have presented idiocy of what you think the statutes say, as long as you get to cherry pick the parts of the statute. Once you go to the Specific STATUTE (those are the ones with the § in them) You do not use the Chapter, ever. Lawyers use “Chapter 11 Bankruptcy” Because a) it is not criminal, b) there are multiple statues that apply.
In a criminal proceeding there maybe many statutes from several chapters of Title 18.
So far you have proved nothing that is required by the specific statutes that you have cited.
Because of that is would not be admissible if objected too.
No the brouhaha’s were not spot on. You have yet to fins one rifle sight that is even close to what Limbaugh used, and that would not leave reasonable doubt. I have presented a symbol that matches it EXACTLY and raises reasonable doubt. that is all Rush needs for a not guilty Verdict.

Actually I have not listened to Limbaugh in over 5 years. So I am not a  Dittohead. I just enjoy proving you wrong. Let us go with the assumption that what you have ins admissible. It still is not proof of a crime. Where were the mil marks on Limbaugh’s “rifle sight” The shutterstock version had it, Limbaugh’s did not.

What a lame dodge. As stated, there are dozens of examples, if not hundreds, if you drill down through the Google results of that search, of “rifle sights” and “sniper sights” that look exactly like Limbaugh’s “Manchurian Volunteer” rifle sight.
Let’s try a new one… “sniper sight”.http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&rlz=1R2PCTC_enUS374&biw=1600&bih=916&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sniper+sight&oq=sniper+sight&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=3609l8265l0l9828l12l11l0l1l1l0l235l1502l5.1.4l10l0

 It gets better…

Stephen Colbert’s analysis of Todd’s “Those weren’t rifle sights” argument. This video is “hilarious” to anyone that walks upright. It’s titled “Stephen Colbert on Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Angriness”

http://www.indecisionforever.com/2011/01/13/stephen-colbert-on-life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-angriness/

Treason_Detector,
Keep trying, still no EXACT MATCH. The only Exact Match is a Geodetic Surveyors mark. See this is how forensics works. The Finger Print/DNA/Tool mark that MATCHES is the one that goes to the suspect. All of these have mil marks. Limbaugh’s symbol did not have those did it? Mil marks are used to calculate Angular Mil, which aides in range estimation. Why do you use Comedians as proof of ANYTHING? George Carlin and Steven Colbert get paid to make fun of EVERYTHING.

Except George Carlin is dead. Same holds for Jon Stewart, tho’.

Treason_Detector,Keep trying, still no EXACT MATCH. The only Exact Match is a Geodetic Surveyors mark. See this is how forensics works. The Finger Print/DNA/Tool mark that MATCHES is the one that goes to the suspect. All of these have mil marks. Limbaugh’s symbol did not have those did it? Mil marks are used to calculate Angular Mil, which aides in range estimation. – Todd Scheller

Todd, it amazes me that you cannot see the ignorance of your postition. Here, I’ve thrown together a composite image that illustrates why you cannot pull “a Limbaugh”, and lie your way out of this.

Look at this comp image. Your position that they are not an “exact match”is completely flawed, weak, and fallacious. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-JnR7uKo1FT0/TnYqWEg1sCI/AAAAAAAAAQk/-iHJLW1BXlI/SniperSight.gif

Why do you use Comedians as proof of ANYTHING? George Carlin and Steven Colbert get paid to make fun of EVERYTHING. – ToddScheller

Humor is a powerful tool for illustrating the absurdity of the opposing argument. That’s what Colbert does to your absurd “surveryor’s symbol” excuse. He brilliantly points out the absurdity of arguing that Palin, an avid hunter, could possibly be naive enough to not understand how easily millions of Americans might conflate the meaning of her “suveyors symbols” with a rifle sight, or bullseye target.

In Limbaugh’s case, it’s even more absurd. He knew about the whole controversy surrounding Palin’s surveyor’ symbol vs sniper sight, and he chose to use it anyway, intentionally.
Consider this. How often do surveyors put other objects, symbols, or logos, in the “dead center”, or “bullseye” area of their survey symbol? Answer: Never?

A challenge… Please provide an example of a reputable map making agency, or entity, in this country, that advises how to use of the symbol that Palin is using as an excuse, and Limbaugh is using as a Manchurian suggestion.

Final consideration. What geographic location is the Maha Rushie pointing at to make his “The thing is our nation is on the brink and we need to save it, but it’s not by raising the debt ceiling?

Well, what is the answer to this, oh wise, Maha of all Dittoheads? “It’s by getting rid of Obama”, sayeth El Rushbo. See Exhibit B.  http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=2&subcatid=7&threadid=5826931

Treason_Detector,
Who is the ignorant one here. Threatening the life of the President is a Federal Felony under 18 U.S.C. § 871. Where has Limbaugh been charged with that in a Court of Law? He has not. Same title, different chapter. Again you fail. There are legal ways to “get rid of Obama”. It is by casting a vote against him on November 8, 2011.
Take Ronald Gene Barbour as a case in point.

Treason_Detector,
All your image proves is that anyone could have made a similar image. It does not prove the intent of Limbaugh’s image, regardless of what you “think” it means, you have to prove that Limbaugh intended for that to be the meaning.

I’m afraid that you’ve come up short again, Todd. Title 18, Chapter 41 statutes are very specific to threats to the President through “extortion”… by mail. No such assertion have I made.

The case that I have presented is not built upon a single piece of evidence – “Exhibit A”. As I said, above, take a look at Exhibit B. That’s called “corrobortive evidence”, because it helps substanciate the conclusions about the purposeful intent of Limbaugh’s publishing of Exhibit A.  

http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=2&subcatid=7&threadid=5826931

After you look at Exhibit B, look at Exhibits C through K, which also lend the power of corroborative evidence to the “motive” behind Limbaugh’s publishing of Exhibit A. Then come back and read this again from U.S. Code Title 18, Chapter 115, §2385…

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
Now, go back and watch. Stephen Colbert’s analysis of Todd’s “Those weren’t rifle sights” argument, titled “Stephen Colbert on Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Angriness”. Pay close attention to Colbert’s joke about the STOP sign “metaphor”. It’s brilliant, and it is why a judge should not care whether Mr. Limbaugh keeps his tongue, in cheek, while nudge nudge, wink winking his Dittohead army.

http://www.indecisionforever.com/2011/01/13/stephen-colbert-on-life-liberty-and-the-pursuit-of-angriness/