OH GREAT!
like we need this in the mix of things right now!

Ball’s in your court, McCain.

This is one step closer to stopping state sponsored discrimination, at least with DADT.

Where can you find pleasure, search the world for treasure,
learn science, technology?
Where can you begin to make your dreams all come true
on the land or on the sea?
Where can you learn to fly, play in sports or skindive,
study oceanography?
Sign up for the big band or sit in the grand stand
when your team and others meet.

In the Navy, yes, you can sail the seven seas.
In the Navy, yes, you can put your mind at ease.
In the Navy, come on now people, make a stand.
In the Navy, can’t you see we need a hand.
In the Navy, come on, protect the motherland.
In the Navy, come on and join your fellow, man.
In the Navy, come on, people, and make a stand.
In the Navy, in the Navy.

They want you! They want you! They want you as a new recruit!

It’s long over-due to stop this state-sponsored policy of bigotry.

lol@Pablo

Fact: Every great society has fallen after the ill moral elements to society have been accepted as normal!

possibly said:
It’s long over-due to stop this state-sponsored policy of bigotry.

The next state sponsored bigotry we should stop is Affirmative-Action, and “hate crime” legislation.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Every great society has fallen after the ill moral elements to society have been accepted as normal!

Not really….80% of this country is Christian and we’re not in the shitter.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Every great society has fallen after the ill moral elements to society have been accepted as normal!

You are correct. However, all things must come to an end.

Let them serve. They are Americans and they have a right to participate in the safety and security of the nation.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Every great society has fallen after the ill moral elements to society have been accepted as normal!

A statement that is difficult to prove objectively, given that morals are largely subjective.

There is no state sponsered bigotry or discrimination. We have a military that has a right to decide who best qualifies to defend the nation. This is not a social experiment. The Supreme Court has given them that right.
If they want open gays serving, I have no problem with that but they are the ones that should decide. I have doubts about the survey results because they include military families. Women that are not serving should have NO say about who their husband serves with. Female judges have no right to tell the men in the military who they should sleep and shower with.

Boys are not allowed in the girl scouts.
Girls are not allowed in the boy scouts.
Men are not allowed in womens locker rooms.
Women are allowed in mens locker rooms. Whoops how did that happen? Women sued and idiot judges allowed it to happen. Bad decision.
We need to stop all the PC games. Women want gays in the military, they don’t have to be with them.

Try something new. Let all the enlisted men vote. I will abide by that decision.

Nobodys_Stooge said:
Let them serve. They are Americans and they have a right to participate in the safety and security of the nation.

NO THEY DON’T. Lots of Americans can not serve moron.

@More Liberty, “The next state sponsored bigotry we should stop is Affirmative-Action, and “hate crime” legislation.”

I totally agree, ending DADT is the first step in the right direction, but we need to keep going.

gordonbloyershow said:
Try something new. Let all the enlisted men vote. I will abide by that decision.

That would be unconstitutional.

gordonbloyershow said:
NO THEY DON’T. Lots of Americans can not serve moron.

*sees gordon posted*

*scrolls down, downvoting all of gordon’s comments.*

gordonbloyershow said:
NO THEY DON’T. Lots of Americans can not serve moran.

*fixed

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Not really….80% of this country is Christian

Did you know about that percentage of convicted felons identify themselves as Christians before they begin serving their terms.

We can conclude as follows:

The military is not opposed to the repeal of DADT.
Most Americans are not opposed to the repeal of DADT.
Basil Marceaux, I mean Gordon Blower and Gramps McCain are standing on the platform waiting for the train.
The train just passed them by.

gordonbloyershow said:
NO THEY DON’T. Lots of Americans can not serve moron.

http://www.faqs.org/photo-dict/phrase/2805/pickle-cucumber.html

Fox News: Better that we sell Hate than Crack said:
Did you know about that percentage of convicted felons identify themselves as Christians before they begin serving their terms.

Exactly why I tagged Christianity as loose morals….

gordonbloyershow said:
There is no state sponsered bigotry or discrimination. We have a military that has a right to decide who best qualifies to defend the nation. This is not a social experiment. The Supreme Court has given them that right.If they want open gays serving, I have no problem with that but they are the ones that should decide. I have doubts about the survey results because they include military families. Women that are not serving should have NO say about who their husband serves with. Female judges have no right to tell the men in the military who they should sleep and shower with. Boys are not allowed in the girl scouts.Girls are not allowed in the boy scouts.Men are not allowed in womens locker rooms.Women are allowed in mens locker rooms. Whoops how did that happen? Women sued and idiot judges allowed it to happen. Bad decision.We need to stop all the PC games. Women want gays in the military, they don’t have to be with them. Try something new. Let all the enlisted men vote. I will abide by that decision.

The majority of Americans support the repeal. 70% of the troops surveyed say it’s no big deal to repeal DADT. Remember when you went against the mosque at Ground Zero because 70% of Americans were against it? When you saw that, it was a done deal with you, period, end of story. Now, the polls go against your beliefs and you don’t buy the poll. You are going against the American people and our troops on this one.

By the way, boys dont’ want to be in the girl scouts, and girls don’t want to be in the boy scouts. There is no movement regarding this. Apples and Oranges, my friend. By the way, we had women as assistant Troop leaders when I was in the Boy Scouts, and it turned out to be a good experience.

gordonbloyershow said:
NO THEY DON’T. Lots of Americans can not serve moron.

Nobodys Stooge (No relation, but he’s got good taste) made that statement in a non-confrontational way and you called him a moron. Calm down, sir. You are getting too defensive.

The biggest problem with gays in the military being “loud & proud” is that it won’t take long for the assless chaps crowd to demand all sorts of “special” shit and for the first batch of flamer lawsuits to pop up. I have no doubt the regular soldier (like the regular citizen) has no problem with gay people until their sexuality becomes the most important thing, and they become “militant” and “in your face”.

The whole idea (I thought) behind DADT was basically to make your sexuality a non issue, since fraternization amongst troops is basically a no no anyway, right? I mean, won’t ya get booted for hosing a female Captain just as fast as hosing a male Captain?

military people can date each other, its just officer and enlisted that cant ,

cjd ohio 1 said:
military people can date each other, its just officer and enlisted that cant ,

But they seperate the potential sexual partners (men & women) for sleeping/bathroom/showers correct?

“But they seperate the potential sexual partners (men & women) for sleeping/bathroom/showers correct?”

There are about 84,000 military-married-to-military couples in the United States armed forces.

stoogedudes said:
The majority of Americans support the repeal. 70% of the troops surveyed say it’s no big deal to repeal DADT. Remember when you went against the mosque at Ground Zero because 70% of Americans were against it? When you saw that, it was a done deal with you, period, end of story. Now, the polls go against your beliefs and you don’t buy the poll. You are going against the American people and our troops on this one.

The last time I checked the mosque was not run by the military. Aside from that your comment makes no sense.

Hey Gordon Blowhard. Everyone knows what a homophobe you are, why don’t you give it up. You were one of the idiot RWers on here that said the majority of the military wanted DADT. How does it feel to be WRONG in all your predictions? You’re another Dick Morris.

gordonbloyershow said:
The last time I checked the mosque was not run by the military. Aside from that your comment makes no sense.

I think anyone with any reading comprehension capabilities would say my comment made sense, even if they don’t agree with it.

No, the mosque is not run by the military, nor is it run by 70% of the American people but because of this statistic, you demand that the mosque shouldn’t be built. To you, this means that your side is right. With 70% of the American people saying the mosque shouldn’t be built, you argue that it’s settled, period. I know you do, I’ve read your comments on the mosque issue.

Now, 70% of the troops surveyed say they have no problem with repeal. On top of that, over 60% of Americans back the repeal of DADT. You have Gates and Mullen out against it. Face it, you are on the wrong side of history on this. Can’t you admit you were wrong on this?

I’ve never been in the military, and I’m assuming you haven’t either. Knowing how you like to boast about yourself, I’m sure I’d have read it somewhere. I’m hardly an authority on the military, and neither are you. That said, with an overwhelming number in the military OK with gays among their ranks, I’d say DADT will come to a welcome end and gays will be able to serve this great country with great honor. They don’t want to “feminize” the military, they want to defend you and me and everyone else in this country that they love just as much as you and I do.

the real john t said:
Hey Gordon Blowhard. Everyone knows what a homophobe you are, why don’t you give it up. You were one of the idiot RWers on here that said the majority of the military wanted DADT. How does it feel to be WRONG in all your predictions? You’re another Dick Morris.

First moron, that was limited survey that was paid for by people that wanted that result. They asked spouses of the military, why? What do they have to do with anything.
I would not celebrate too early if I were you.

gordonbloyershow said:
First moron, that was limited survey that was paid for by people that wanted that result.

You are a simple ass homophobic idiot.

They cooked the numbers!

From today’s paper (Source: Department of Defense) they split out results of the survey for five services, with a summary for overall (with the Marines being least in favor of DADT). They had percentages for three general catagories. RE: DADT

Very Positively/Positively Equally as positively as negatively/No effect Very negatively/Negatively
11% 44% 44%

In the graph they showed the bar for the two first catagories greater than the mid point (50%), i.e. 11 + 44 = 55%. Their interpretation being, since as many are for it as are against it in the middle group, IT’S A WASH, meaning it doesn’t make any difference. THEREFOR, if it doesn’t make a difference, you can add them to the group that favors DADT because it has NO IMPACT! Or: “an overwhelming number in the military OK with gays among their ranks” That’s their case.

The correct way to split it would be (to an approximation) to assume in the middle group, the same amount are bothered somewhat as are OK with it. Then you would add 22% to the 11% favoring it and 22% to those against, giving you 33% in favor and 66% against DADT. This reflects correctly that more people have problems with DADT than don’t.

In another breakout, they ask how they would respond to taking showers with gays. In five catagories:
29% Take No action [do nothing different]
26% Use shower at a different time than the service member thought to be gay or lesbian
11% Discuss how we expect each other to behave and conduct ourselves
19% Talk to a leader for other options/ Talk to a chaplin, mentor or other leader
15% Something else/ Don’t know

In other words 29% are OK with it (some likely gay) and 71% will have to change their behavior as a result of repealing DADT.

I honor and thank those gay members that serve this country under DADT. This has worked and does not need change. As to repealing it and having them go public, that would change the whole mission of the services. It would change social relationships within the units and detract from the mission. Priorities would change to favor social experimentation and turn the services into a Turkish bath houses.

The marines were most against repeal of DADT. From history, it can reasonably be argued that this branch of service would be mostly attuned to close quarter combat and dedication to mission.Their 8% favorable for repeal, 33% neutral and 59% negative reflects their concerns for combat effectiveness and, I think, is a more accurate judgement (they can’t cook that).

In any case, This issue, if they are to push it, is too important to get wrong and should not be passed by a lame duck Congress. It deserves a FULL debate by the newly elected congress.

One reason DADT has worked so well is that while straight people may have no problem with gays doing their own thing, that “thing” is basically repulsive to them and they don’t have to be offended by solicitations from gays seeking new partners. DADT works both ways. Gays don’t have to worry about the “system” seeking and throwing them out and straights don’t have to worry about being “hit on” for something they don’t even want to think about.

They don’t have to wonder about their comrades and don’t even have to give a damn. They only have to worry about their mission and their own tasks, litteraly as a band of “brothers.”