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Fox and Friends Falsely Reports On Hiroshima WikiLeaks Cable; Claims Apology Was White House Idea

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On Thursday morning’s Fox and Friends, the titular chums revealed a doozy about the WikiLeaks cable that’s getting a lot of attention now. The cable mentions a Japanese official calling an apology for the bombing of Hiroshima a “non-starter,” but contains nary a mention that an apology was ever offered, by President Obama or anyone else in his administration. But that didn’t keep co-hosts Steve Doocy, Brian Kilmeade, and Gretchen Carlson from saying it was a White House idea.

Over a chyron that reads, “Cable Shows Plan To Apologize For Hiroshima,” Kilmeade begins by noting how much they “despise” WikiLeaks for compromising our security, then dives right into a classified “Secret” cable. To save time, I will bold the items reported by the Fox news morning program that are actually NOT in the cable:

“The president, in 2009,” Kilmeade said, “was heading to Japan, at which time evidently the White House had a great idea. Let’s apologize for dropping that bomb on Hiroshima.”

He then asked, “Guess who stopped it?”

Co-host Gretchen Carlson took the hand-off, saying, “A Japanese official who said, look, we don’t want any apology for that because actually, we sort of need to keep the nuclear threat alive because of the people — the countries that are betwixt around us, speak of China and maybe North Korea. Those country’s that are a threat or could be to Japan. According to Wikileaks and this report, the Japanese official is the one who contacted the White House and said let’s not apologize for Hiroshima.”

Then, Steve Doocy chimed in to recount the President’s non-proliferation messages at that time, and added, “The Japanese just felt for him to go to Hiroshima, Nagasaki, to make that message, you know,to apologize for bombing them, that was a nonstarter.”

Right at the end, Doocy skeptically reads a White House statement denying there was ever a plan for the President to apologize.

Here’s the part of that report that’s true: Japanese Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka did call a Hiroshima apology a “non-starter,” and the White House did issue a statement. None of that other stuff is in the cable in question, or anywhere else. In fact, the cable from Ambassador John Roos is quite explicit as to how the subject of an apology came up. Vice Foreign Minister Yabunaka was already discussing proliferation issues (he favored “something like dismantling all plutonium-based programs at the outset in exchange for normalization of relations” with North Korea), and volunteered the following:

VFM Yabunaka pointed out that the Japanese public will have high expectations toward President Obama’s visit to Japan in November, as the President enjoys an historic level of popularity among the Japanese people. Anti-nuclear groups, in particular, will speculate whether the President would visit Hiroshima in light of his April 5 Prague speech on non-proliferation. He underscored, however, that both governments must temper the public’s expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a “non-starter.”

While a simple visit to Hiroshima without fanfare is sufficiently symbolic to convey the right message, it is premature to include such program in the November visit. Yabunaka recommended that the visit in November center mostly in Tokyo, with calls on the Emperor and Prime Minister, as well as some form of public program, such as speeches, an engagement at a university, or a town hall-like meeting with local residents.

So, if an apology was anyone’s “idea,” it was the Japanese diplomat, channeling public speculation. Nothing in there about the President having offered an apology, or about not wanting an apology, or about keeping the nuclear threat alive. All of that stuff was simply false.

I can understand being skeptical, and those who want to read more into this are certainly welcome to take the White House’s statement with a grain of salt. While other reports contained later clarification, they didn’t contain complete falsehoods. But the denial isn’t really important in this case, because there’s absolutely no evidence that what they’re denying ever happened. The White House could put out a statement that says, “President Obama did not create the Earth,” and some people would question it, but that WikiLeaks cable no more supports that assertion than it does Fox and Friends’.

Mediaite Managing Editor Colby Hall reached out to Fox News and we’ve been told that they now plan to address this tomorrow morning.

Here’s the clip, from Fox News’ Fox and Friends:


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  • wawoo

    Why it is and always will be Fauex News, making Goebbels proud.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, how dare we apologize for using the most powerful and indiscriminate weapon in human history on a largely civilian population, melting and liquefying many of the victims, including small and (gasp!) unborn children.

    American Perfectionism! Everything America does is perfect because we are America and hence perfect!

  • Anonymous

    i dont know tommy, i heard there was some unnamed sources and that is evidence

  • Sean

    Fox & Friends – the Jersey Shore of cable news.

  • Tucsonense

    WORD!!!!

  • Anonymous

    where would the japanese diplomat even come up with the idea that president obama might apologize?

  • http://www.storminsmorningjava.blogspot.com/ stormin1961

    your so right! it would have been so much more humane and compassionate to have invaded Japan and slaughtered 100′s of thousands of Japanese people (and probably just as many of our own soldiers) in order to get a handful of hard-line military leaders (who were willing to see the entire population of Japan killed rather than submit) to surrender. there’s no telling how many more months or years that would have taken.

  • Anonymous

    LOL …  Wiping my tears actually!

    When you corner them and demonstrate that all they’re saying is a pile of steamy crap, they say they’re exercising their freedom of speech ;)

    “Fox & Friends – the Jersey Shore of cable news. ”

    Brilliant!

  • Anonymous

    Tommy . Why did the Obama administration call the family of Samir Khan ( the American traitor blown up with al Awlaki ) with condolences on their loss ?

  • Chauncy Gardner

    It’s funny how giddy they get when they think they have something on the Pres. Douchy & Kilmeade might be the dumbest people on tv. Gretchen went to Stanford so she can’t be as dumb as she looks. Just wishful thinking on her part. Typical beauty queen wonders why others can’t be as great as she is.

  • Anonymous

    Ooh, nice video. Miss Gretchen look…so good.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    In all fairness, it’s FOX “News”. The truth is not part of its business plan.

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    And sounds so ignorant!!

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    Further proof that ‘Fox and Friends’ just makes stuff up without any fact-checking whatsoever!!

    It’s amazing that they’re still on the air!!

  • Anonymous

    This will be the next skit on SNL. These SNL writers just have to watch F& F for material and Lorne Micheals should be sending them a check.

  • Anonymous

    This will be the next skit on SNL. These SNL writers just have to watch F& F for material and Lorne Micheals should be sending them a check.

  • Anonymous

    This will be the next skit on SNL. These SNL writers just have to watch F& F for material and Lorne Micheals should be sending them a check.

  • Anonymous

    Robert . Where do you stay in LV ?

  • Anonymous

    “making Goebbels proud”

    Hank Jr?  Is that you? 

  • http://twitter.com/lizmckenzie55 Liz McKenzie

    Excuse me … Pearl Harbor???

  • Anonymous

    This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms
    virtually identical to the ones ultimately accepted by the Americans at
    the formal surrender ceremony on September 2 — that is, complete
    surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor.
    In April and May 1945, Japan made three attempts through neutral Sweden and Portugal to bring the war to a peaceful end

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

  • Tedderman

    Honestly though, what are they watching on their laptops, cartoons?

  • Anonymous

    ~2,000 dead. ~200,000+ Japanese dead from Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Although I suppose under the “One American = 10-20 of every other kind of person” doctrine of the far right, those are equal.

    I’d bet you consider yourself pro-life, too. lol.

    I’m not saying the ends didn’t somewhat justify the means, but there’s a reason nuclear weapons haven’t been used since. And it wouldn’t be weakening America to admit using them was horrific. If anything, it’d show strength.

  • Tedderman

    Now you’ve gone and insulted Snookie, geesh!

  • Anonymous

    Fox and Friends, America’s answer to the Iraqi Bureau of Information.

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    The claim will remain true in the minds of those chronicly aggreived by Obama’s election.

  • Tedderman

    This is all calculated by Fox news to act like a grenade.  Though the initial comments will be refuted, the damage will be collateral in nature.  Those sitting at home, the elderly and usual Fox watcher will not question this story and pass it along.  It will gain legs and appear in several blogs.  Then a chain letter will go out and the continued lies about Obama’s apologies will spread to the tea-party faithful and others chose to remain willingly ignorant.

  • Rex the Wonder God

    It was all downhill once the Nazis bombed it.

  • Redleaf

    I don’t care if it’s true.
    The important part is that an anti-Obama story is filtering into the world.
    Go, go, Fox and Friends!!

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Econolodge.

  • Rufus Danegro

    aw tiny eddie putz doesn’t like the article.

    Now what did that michelle bitch say about whiners?

     

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I’m convinced that why they do this type of thing fairly regularly. I’m convinced that’s why O’Hannity shows the “doctored” pictures.

  • Anonymous

    animal house great movie

  • Anonymous

    That’s where the Rat Pack used to perform !

    Actually I have to spend 3 weeks a year out there for work and I have found this website helpful .

    The trip reports can give useful info from the regular person’s perspective .

    http://www.a2zlasvegas.com/index.html
     

  • Anonymous

    Well,  apparently a source (commenter) on this very site says that no one pays attention anyway

  • Anonymous

    “where would the japanese diplomat even come up with the idea that president obama might apologize?”

    FOX NEWS:  Where open questions become hard facts.

  • Mencius

    If you think female trolls are hot, then yeah… hell yeah. 

    I think Gretchen falls pretty close to the bottom of the heap in terms of the attractiveness of cable news anchorwomen, maybe just a step above Nancy Grace and Greta Susteren. 

  • Anonymous

    And we were assure just this morning that no one pays attention anyway

  • Charlie Kane

    That’s why they call it “Faux News”. Everything they report is false or a lie.

  • Rex the Wonder God

    Hey – “3 people” actually LIKED that! 3 people who just LUV them some daily Fox News slanderous lies & innuendo, based completely on … UNNAMED SOURCES.

    Come on, we can all play this game, and we all KNOW FN needs its daily “Obama the Apologist” fix.

    Anyone who hits “LIKE” to this comment is officially an unnamed source – no, better; an ACTUALLY NAMED but nonetheless ANONYMOUS source – for the following:

    a. In tomorrow afternoon’s weekly late Friday document dump, we learn that an aide to a fifteenth assistant to second undersecretary to the charge d’affaires for the U.S. in Zimbabwe listened over cocktails at a reception in the U.S. embassy to a rant by a drunken contractor for the Zimbabwe water utility that it might be a good idea for the U.S. to apologize for the taking of millions of Africans into slavery during the 17th and 18th centuries (or 14th and 15th by Perry Time) – & actually did not even SAY anything – COMPLICITY.

    b. On Monday, a photocopy clerk in the Kansas City regional offices of the the Department of Homeland Security will be asked to apologize for a strip search of an 87 year old grannie and her 14 year old granddaugther at the local airport – & will actually try to PLACATE the grannie – PROOF.

    c. On Wednesday, the first DOTUS, Bo, will pee on the shoe of a member of an official trade delegation from Taiwan, whereupon FN will report that the First Lady OFFERED A CLEAR & UNCONDITIONAL APOLOGY.

    Is it any wonder that ACTUAL news so often catches Fox News viewers by surprise?

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    There is no cost for this brand of dishonesty, only benefit. The constituancy feels at odds with objective reality.

  • Anonymous

    Colby, if you ever dare to reach out to MSNBC to correct Rachel Maddow, I will never comment on Mediaite again!

  • Joseph Bernard

    Pure propaganda. The Soviets would be proud.

  • Anonymous

    Fauex News !!  Nazis !!

    *drink*

  • Anonymous

    Would it have been OK with you if they had all been conservatives like Rush ??
    For those of you just tuning in…Publius has repeatedly wished for Rush to just die already !!

  • Anonymous

    Faux News !!

    *drink*

  • Anonymous

    and here, folks, is the mind set of your average GOPer, TPer and/or FNC viewer exemplified by Redleaf.

    truth is not important.  facts are not important.

    anti-Obama is the *only* thing that is important.

    and you wonder why our country is tanking when representatives of the GOP/FNC Party (Tea Party is simply the “GOP base”) don’t care about reality. 

  • koolmoedee

    What is up with these three stooges…. Fox and Friends is an embarrassment even by Fox news low standards

  • Anonymous

    It is quite obvious that the WH inquired if the Japanese would like an apology- the Japanese would not bring the topic up on their own.

  • Marymary433

    Just google white house apology hiroshima today.

    Fox was right.

  • Anonymous

    Not to condone errors on this program but I always savor how commenters see factual errors on Fox and it becomes indicative of an overarching desire to obfusicate and deceive, or it is proof of mental failings.  Yet whenever the other networks make similar missteps it’s “Whoopsie, they misspoke, isn’t that cute?”

    If you want to be outraged by a drop in news standards that is fine, but to excuse the same behavior elsewhere is transparently ideological.

  • Cecelia

    Brian Kilmeade could have speculated that the president wanted to apologize to Japan, but he should have made clear immediately that the WH denies this..   They did read the denial from the WH but they should have done it sooner.
     
    As to the topic, it is interesting that last year, an entire year before the Wikileaks document came out, James Tibbets, the son of Gen  Paul Tibbits, (the pilot who dropped the bomb on the city)  said that the president’s decision to send a delegation to Hiroshima to mark the 65th anniversary of the bombing was  tantamount to an apology.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/hiroshima/2010/08/05/obama-accused-apologizing-hiroshima.

    Be interesting if Mr. Tibbets could make F&F tomorrow (not that this would mean the WH denial shouldn’t have been mentioned sooner).

  • Anonymous

    Complete rubbish.

    Japan clearly did not make ANY attempt to offer unconditional surrender terms prior to the bombings .  How do we know this?  Well, we dropped ONE nuclear weapon and waited for word of surrender, with NO SURRENDER offered.  It was not until AFTER we dropped our second nuclear device did we have any word from Japan through our intermediaries that they were willing to negotiate a full surrender.

    Moreover, it is likely – to the point of virtual certainty – that Japan would not have surrendered had they been aware that we didn’t have any more nuclear devices to deploy.  They surrender because they believed in the absence of that surrender, we would have destroyed their country with technology that they could not defend.

    Even after the Emperor sent word to his military advisers that surrender was imminent, he narrowly escaped an assassination attempt; there were plentiful elements of the military that – in keeping with the Bushido code – surrender was not an option.

    Leading up to the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese were training women and children as young as 10, to fight hand-to-hand with farm implements.  There is absolutely no reason to believe that without the deployment of nuclear devices, Japan would have surrendered unconditionally.

    This revisionist and fraudulent history from your cited source is so ridiculously wrong, it should only be met with laughter and derision.

  • Cecelia

    In Austin, Tx..

  • Mencius

    They’re a “news” organization but they don’t take even the most basic step to actually read the document they’re reporting on. That would get you an F in high school journalism, but somehow it’s okay for a major “news” network that seems to make similar mistakes on a nearly daily basis. Now let’s watch their correction tomorrow, when they gloss over it very quickly and move onto something else now that the damage is done. 

    So either they are a consistently incompetent staff (read: lazy and dumb) or they are happy to float a lie for a day or two to help their cronies. 

    Of course, the rabid Limbaugh ditto-heads who post on here will deflect in a minute and blame everything on Obama or Rachel Maddow rather than take a good hard look at where they get their news. 

  • Anonymous

    *~~~DWIGHT EISENHOWER*

    “During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude…”

    In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

    “…the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”

    - *Ike on Ike*, Newsweek, 11/11/63

    *~~~ADMIRAL WILLIAM D. LEAHY* (Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman)

    “It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and
    Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The
    Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the
    effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

    *~~~GENERAL DOUGLAS MacARTHUR*
    He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the
    bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States
    had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of
    the emperor.”

    need more?

  • Anonymous

    How bout this

    *~~~BRIGADIER GENERAL CARTER CLARKE* (The military intelligence officer in charge of preparing intercepted Japanese cables – the MAGIC summaries – for Truman and his advisors)

    “…when we didn’t need to do it, and we knew we didn’t need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn’t need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs.”

    Quoted in Gar Alperovitz, *The Decision To Use the Atomic Bomb*, pg. 359.

  • Anonymous

    more directed at tommy christopher, unnnamed sources are evidence in his book

  • Tim Tebow

    One of these three will be your presidential candidate in 2016.

  • Anonymous

    ~2,000 dead?  Really?  You must have forgotten about the 10M (or more) Chinese that Japan SLAUGHTERED during and just before our entry into WWII.  How about the 1M slaughtered Filipinos-  many of whom were women and children?  New Guinea, New Zealand and almost another dozen south pacific countries all suffered atrocious losses at the hands of Japanese imperialism prior to our entry into that theatre of combat.

    Pearl Harbor DID NOT mark the beginning of WWII in the pacific.  It
    marked the beginning of the US stopping the carnage perpetrated by the
    Japanese.

    I would suggest that you stop thinking so provincially, but you’re probably a product of our American school systems, so you may never have even heard about the other casualties inflicted by Imperial Japan.

  • Tim Tebow

    Facts are elitist.

    All they need is BELIEF and it’s true.

  • Anonymous

    Noooooo!  Fox falsely claiming something about Obama?  Impossible!!

  • Anonymous
  • Espinalm029

    lol. Fox saying something that’s false .. im SHOCKED !!! http://mediapolitics029.blogspot.com/

  • Anonymous

    LOL…. Why did the Teabagger cross the road?         Because Fox News told them to.

  • bhodie

    Don’t we all know by now that Fox & Friends just throw any info or lie out there, and if someone catches it, they make a half-*assed apolgy.  Of course, most of the people that watch Fox news believe it anyway, so if they say it- their followers believe it…Fox & Morons have got to be one of the stupidest morning shows, they come across as hicks…..

  • Exgoper

    Yes, all media outlets make errors. But the regularity and relentlessness of Fox’s omissions, misstatements and false representations is what has established the channel’s well-deserved reputation as a propaganda outlet. And is it just coincidence that these errors nearly always skew pro-GOP, anti-Obama?? Sorry, but serious news gathering operations just aren’t this sloppy or biased.

  • Roger_Fails

    It’s quite obvious only in the empty space inside the walls of your cranium, loser.

  • Anonymous

    Fox News is news in name only. Most people by now are on to them.

  • Anonymous

    x2

  • Tim Tebow

    Draw a line from this event and it leads to other events…like Cheney saying he’s not sure that Iraq didn’t have WMDs long after the invasion (and countless polls agreeing with him), “Birthers,” “Death Panels,” and innumerable others.

    It’s the culture of Fox News–descending from Rupert Murdoch himself.

  • Struckgold23

    Watch 5 minutes of Ed Schultz, Rachal Maddow, Lawrence Odonnell, Chris Matthews, or any of the other “to the left of Fidel Castro” low rated clowns on MSNBC and you will come away with 2 factual errors and 3 intentional distortions of the news.

  • Anonymous

    because there’s a guy across the pond who’s initials are Rupert Murdoch.

  • Anonymous

    You’re close – And agreed that there were no surrender terms before August 6th.  But every report I’ve read has the Japanese (Admiralty or Emperor I can’t recall)  trying to negotiate terms through neutral countries after the Little Boy was dropped.   The decision to drop the Fat Man on Nagasakis was described by various historians (Ambrose included?)  as motivated by the mixed sentiments to speed the acceptance of unconditional surrender rather than negotiated surrender; get an operational test of the plutonium bomb as opposed to the Uranium Little Boy; and demonstrate to Stalin that we had multiple and larger bombs in our arsenal.

    And I once interviewed a guy named Chalmers Roberts, who was with Army intelligence at the end of the war and was with one of the teams sent to work on the disarming and strategic assessment of Japan in late ’45.  He talked about walking the southern island beaches and seeing all the preparations for suicide attacks from everything from frogmen in underwater bunkers to kids who were being trained to attack with explosives. 

    (None of which make Fox and Friends any less of a disgrace, but still…) 

  • richs

    Isn’t the IHR a group that has been accused of anti-semitism and that has been linked to neo-nazi groups and holocaust deniers?  I have no proof of that, this is just what I’ve heard.  Do you have any comments on their trust worthiness?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7QVUUCGCP56U2BT5GAK5YO6CUU George

    Fox is actually correct this time, the US did plan to apologize for Hiroshima. It was released on wiki leaks. A lot of people suffered from the wiki leaks. If you don’t know how these secrets got released onto the internet, this article gives a good explanation on it.

    http://explainlikeakid.blogspot.com/2011/10/wiki-leaks.html

  • Anonymous

    Dear Tommy, Let me be clear here, Fixed  & Frauds lying about the news is no longer worth writing a story about. Lying is the norm on The Propaganda Wing of The Republican Party….How many stories about the falsehoods splewed over the airways form FOX will you have write b4 you come to the conclusion that many of your readers already have??? FOX SNOOZE has ZERO….let me repeat….ZERO credibility…..A brilliant story  Tommy would be when you could write a story about AN OUNCE OF TRUTH escaping from the TON OF LIES that the prefered news source for delusional wingnuts love to watch, secretly hoping gretchens legs slip open live on TV..

  • Anonymous

    Sure they are, but the difference is like I highlighted. When it is a non-Fox entity it gets treated as an anomaly, but with Fox it is treated as proof.  Just this week we’ve had a news anchor reference 1,000 countries, and CNN just had a graphic that said Blackberry outages affect numerous planets.  Fold that into the regular slights, errors and slanted reporting and there truly is no difference — except in the interpretations.

  • Cecelia

    So…evidently… the U.S. didn’t apologize for Hiroshima but lots of liberals think he should?

  • Cecelia

    It depends upon whether you or Mediaite are getting stories from  Newsbusters or Media Matters.

    The F & F thing was up on Media Matters all afternoon.

  • Anonymous

    Tommy’s not interested in facts.  He only writes articles to make excuses for liberals or articles that trashes conservatives.  Apparently, its in his contract to be as biased as possible so Mediaite can attract some of the Huffington Post crowd.

  • Anonymous

    I was unaware, but a simple search proves you correct.
    If you do look at my other links, it has MANY people who were there at the time who have quoted similar thoughts.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks again for bringing this to my attention, I will not use them in the future as a source.

  • lazzzlo

    It sure looks that way.  Per Wikipedia with multiple citations: The Institute for Historical Review (IHR), founded in 1978, is an American organization that describes itself as a “public-interest educational, research and publishing center dedicated to promoting greater public awareness of history.” Critics have accused it of being an antisemitic ”pseudo-scholarly body”[1] with links to neo-Nazi organizations, and assert that its primary purpose is to disseminate views denying key facts of Nazism and the genocide of Jews and others.[2][3][4][5][6] It has been described as the “world’s leading Holocaust denial organization.”[7][8] The Institute published the non-peer-reviewed Journal of Historical Review until 2002, but now disseminates its materials through its website and via email.

  • Joseph Bernard

    You are incorrect. All the evidence points to non-proliferation groups in Japan expected to push for an apology, and the Japanese government assuring the US none was expected. This is ridiculous, it’s all there in the Wikileaks cable.

  • Joseph Bernard

    You are incorrect. The Wikileaks cable addresses one man who felt compelled to assure the administration that no apology was expected. There is no evidence that we generated that assurance.

  • Exgoper

    “Sure they are…”

    Why — because you say so? Where’s the evidence? How about you go check Politifact and then come back and tell me how Fox News compares?

    Sorry, but the channel’s fear mongering, character assassination, rewriting of history, scapegoating, bullying, populism, invoking of God, guilt by association and fake outrages is rampant. If your standards are such that this is OK, be my guest. But I’m not this easily fooled.

  • Exgoper

    Media Matters posts stuff that embarrasses conservatives. Newsbusters posts stuff that embarrasses liberals. Mediaite obviously posts both, in pretty equal measure.

    What’s your point?

  • Exgoper

    Asshole nonsequitor!

    *drink*

  • Anonymous

    That never get written up here — well, seldom, if ever.  Fox on the other hand gets criticized regularly, whereas Rachel, LOD, and the rest of the liars at msnbc get a pass.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I’m here for three (3) days every October, and I detest this place.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Liar.

  • Anonymous

    If you think Obama didn’t consider apologizing for this, then you haven’t paid attention to obama.  Get off the backs of the F&F crew, or at elast share your disdain for reporting by criticizing the lies anduntruths of your buds at msnbc.

  • Cecelia

    My point is that I read both MM and NB and I don’t see anything approaching “equal”.

  • Pious Jeffy

    Again, the Trio of Clowns in the Morning “reporting” on anything as long as it hurts President Obama?

    Hardly “NEWS”

    Have those clowns demanded The Donald release his tax records as he promised? – Don’t hold your breath.

  • Cecelia

    You’ve been calling me a liar for years now, while you’ve been banned from at least two websites.

    I just don’t understand how you got the notion that with your track record anyone would be so credulous to believe you about anything.

    How can you expect that? 

  • Cecelia

    Well evidently you detest being in France with your wife because you posted here the whole time that you said you were there too.

  • Joseph Bernard

    In order for Mediaite to report more lies from MSNBC, they would have to lie more. Sorry, Fox is the king of this crap.

  • Cecelia

    Japan didn’t just assure the U.S. that an apology for Hiroshima was not expected, they told the president to alter plans of going to Hiroshima and apologizing because of the message it sent to nonproliferation groups.

    They suggested that the president make a small quiet visit that could send the right message at another time. 

  • ASAP

    How man million did Uncle Joe Stalin kill despite the fact he was our ally during WW2?  

  • Lloyd C

    a pitty the blonde o the month can’t do the show in yoga pants

  • Lloyd C

    why do you deal in heroin? and why do you sell to boys?

    whoislloydc@gmail.com

    G

  • Lloyd C

    thats what ballgags are for.

  • Lloyd C

    why are you a princess?

  • JT

    If it were up to the morons who watch this crap that would be true.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Don’t forget about Photoshop being used by the O’Hannity people to triple the size of a T-Partee crowd by repeating the same, actual “crowd” twice more. I think an intern was discharged over this.

  • Anonymous

    My, you must watch that channel daily.  And you are correct, no other channel operates with a slant and an agenda. Good catch!

    I could point out how we have been spoon-fed two years worth of information about how dangerous, inciteful, and prone to violence the Tea Party is, all while these same outlets have been singing the praises of OWS.  I could illustrate how there have been over a thousand of arrests, vandalism, calls for violence, and even overt examples of racism that the media has glossed over and ignored the past two weeks, all while telling us America loves these people.

    But you are not easily fooled.

  • http://twitter.com/gadfly666 gadfly666

    US is only country that has used nukes on a civilian population. But the low IQ Conservatives/Republicans/Tea Baggers will get their fragile egos crushed if the US ever apologized for nuking the civilians of Japan.

    The low IQ Conservatives/Republicans/Tea Baggers say that an apology will be a sign of weakness. What does that really mean? Will Japan attack the US after the apology?

  • cdnhawk

    Get off the backs of Faux and Friends? Yes, when they stop lying and making idiotic statements. MSNBC is partisan but not even close to the same extent as Faux and they don’t blatently lie.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    This is actually the best reason for having used the bomb.

  • Anonymous

    If all of them were Rush Limbaugh, I would have absolutely been okay with it and even wholeheartedly supported it, yes.

    But, alas, they weren’t.

  • Anonymous

    This just opens up all sorts of counterarguments I’m not even going to bother with.

  • Tex45

    Hey it’s Fox. They lie. This is what they do and everybody knows their game by now.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t dispute your comments, at all.  It’s clear from the historical record that Japan had sent overtures through various parties about the possibility of a truly negotiated surrender.  Of course, for Allied forces, that wasn’t an option.  It was either going to be unconditional, or it wasn’t going to be anything.

    It was the unconditional surrender that I was alluding to.

  • Anonymous

    First, just like the German Holocaust, we didn’t have a full appreciation about the genocide that occurred inside the Soviet Union for years, even decades after cessation of hostilities in WWII.  Moreover, look at the posture we assumed with the Soviets in the immediate aftermath of the fall of Berlin.

    We knew they weren’t good guys.  But, with American forces divided between two intense theaters of combat, European allied forces could not have defeated the Nazis without the help of the Soviets.  That’s pretty clear.

    The enemy of your enemy can, and frequently is your friend.  That doesn’t necessarily mean you’re happy about – but, you have to play the cards you’re dealt.

  • Anonymous

    Fox and Idiots lying again? What’s new?  I thought Ailes wanted to clean up the lying.

  • Anonymous

    As Regan would have said… “there you go again”…. re-writing history!  There is not an ounce or truth in what you are fabricating! 

  • Lloyd C

    why do you own a dildo collection?
    whoislloydc@gmail.com

  • Anonymous

    Here’s a fun game Mediate. Let’s just put those first five words of the title in some kind of template, post it every day, and let the posters here fill in the details. I’ll bet it won’t be empty or incorrect all that often.

  • Anonymous

    I think Sean got the Likes win today!!!

  • Anonymous

    And MSDNC STILL DENIES Fast and Furious. STILL DENIES Holder’s subpoena. Still denies Solyndra. Still denies Lightsquared…..

    Getting it wrong vs NOT GETTING IT…..

  • Anonymous

    It’s been proven that FoxNews viewers are the most misinformed voting block.

    Here is just more evidence why.

  • Anonymous

    Like Holder…. He seems to have a problem reading his briefs. Like Fast and Furious. Or his failure to actually read the Arizona illegal alien law BEFORE suing the state! Or…
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eric-holder-obamas-albatross/2011/10/10/gIQA5u8IaL_story.html

    I wonder where the rabid maddow-heads like you get your news. Maddow has NOT “REPORTED” on any of Eric Holder’s failures, nor has MSDNC even whispered “Fast and Furious” or “dead border patrol agent.” If Bush were president though…. Your liberal head would explode as you demanded a lynch mob!

    MSDNC hasn’t even “glossed over” the facts! They completely BURIED THEM! As deep as you bury your head i that ass-hat! How many apologies has Maddow made on air for “not getting the facts straight?” Wait a minute, Maddow and straight?  I think not!

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgtkey0811/3978892114/in/set-72157621842771709/lightbox/

  • Anonymous

    Several months before the end of the war, General Patton had recognized
    the fearful danger to the West posed by the Soviet Union, and he had
    disagreed bitterly with the orders which he had been given to hold back
    his army and wait for the Red Army to occupy vast stretches of German,
    Czech, Rumanian, Hungarian, and Yugoslav territory, which the Americans
    could have easily taken instead.

    On May 7, 1945, just before the German capitulation, Patton had a
    conference in Austria with U.S. Secretary of War Robert Patterson.
    Patton was gravely concerned over the Soviet failure to respect the
    demarcation lines separating the Soviet and American occupation zones.
    He was also alarmed by plans in Washington for the immediate partial
    demobilization of the U.S. Army.

    Patton said to Patterson: “Let’s keep our boots polished, bayonets
    sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to the Red Army.
    This is the only language they understand and respect.”

    So much for the “Great Soviet” argument. We should have taken them out then too!

  • Mencius

    Let me “learn you” something, brother. First, you’re doing exactly what I said would happen: you’re deflecting rather than manning up to the fact that Fox is not a trustworthy news source. Second, your response includes a completely gratuitous gay slur. That only makes you look like a close-minded asshole. Thirdly, your regurgitation of Big Government/Fox/Limbaugh talking points on Holder only shows what a sheep you are. 

    Check out the first link below and read that two federal investigators have admitted that the same tactics were used under Bush, and yet no one on the Right seemed to mind then. In fact, the tactics of letting a crook do something illegal, like buy drugs or launder money, only to follow them and see how the larger operation functions is an age-old tactic that pre-dates the J. Hoover era. We do it now with al Qaida and the Taliban up to a point. In this case, they screwed up. End of story. 

    Now check out the second link and read up on how Issa, the Republican demagogue pushing this investigation (hmmmm, I wonder why), has admitted to knowing about F&F in 2010, and he never opened his trap about it then. 

    I’m sure you’ll find some reason not to see the truth. You’ll say AP is a “leftist” group or something along those lines that’s so far from the truth that it’s laughable. Just know that when you do, you’ll just be showing everyone else that you handed over your ability to think for yourself to right-wing demagogues who prey on your fears and biases, mostly to make some $$$. A good day to you, madam. 

    http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/ap-sources-bush-era-1194310.html

    http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/10/13/a-sane-persons-guide-to-fast-and-furious/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog

  • Anonymous

    People who report the real news in this country should hammer Fox for the lies they report. Since they are not allowed to broadcast from Canada, this should be on the news daily until every American knew Fox is banned from Canada because they lie. They have laws to protect its citizens!!!!!!! Many people in this country do not know this. Google it…….Fox lies, Canadians want news that is the truth, and people in this country need Fox lies…People can’t think for themselves.

  • Guest

    Were you going to link us to evidence of them explicitly denying these thing happened?  Or were you just playing the part of Fox News “journalist” and making claims without evidence and sources?

  • Leent05

    That’s how u silence an idiot…I mean republican. FACTS!! BOOYAAAA!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge

    Why doesnt TC ever point this sort of stuff out in the rest of the media? He disproportionately targets Fox to give the impression they’re lying all the time. Then tools like you can pump your fist and say “right on man”. All the while ignorant of your side doing the same thing on a daily basis. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge

    They’re just not reporting on it AT ALL. 

  • Cecilia Backhaus

    How dare you use the name “Publius.”  You are not in their league.

  • kromecom

    THANK YOU. BRILLIANT! CASE CLOSED!

  • FreeMike

    No, evidently… the U.S. didn’t apologize for Hiroshima but lots of conservatives think that liberals think he should.

  • FreeMike

    You’re defending Fox News from “factual errors” and then you exaggerate the number of arrests because it makes the event seem more disrespectful to others who share your political views?  Boy, you sure made your point.

  • Anonymous

    Try getting things straight. I’m not defending Fox. And I have not exaggerated the amount of arrests, they have been taking place since day one of OWS. This has nothing to do with my views, I’m dealing in the facts.  I’m talking about the perceptions foisted on us by the collective media, where they worked at downplaying the Tea Parties and are cheering the OWS movement.

    Try to follow the rationale here and not get reactionary.  Do you not find it revealing that after years of promises that the Tea Party rhetoric was going to lead to violence – and has not - when we see actual conflict erupt at the OWS rallies the media bypasses that import? One week of OWS protests have had more arrests that YEARS of TP rallies. They have speakers actually calling out for direct violent behavior, and yet where is the the weepy hand-wringing commentary from the news leaders like we have been treated to with the TP?  They worried at length what MIGHT happen as a result of TP rallies, yet with direct calls for upheaval from OWS they are turning a blind eye. Does that strike you as curious at all?

    Then look at the racial component. The TP was branded as a racist movement based on scattered signs and interpretation. Have you seen many reports of the OWS gathering where civil rights icon John Lewis was prevented from speaking? Did you see video shown on the major news outlets of the speaker at another rally yelling about the Jews on Wall Street?  No Way. So why the disparity in coverage?

  • Anonymous

    Godwin! (drink a shot)

  • Anonymous

    Oh, it’s Mediaite’s biggest loser, Roger!

    I bitch-slapped ya so hard on GS!

  • Guest

    Sounds like how CNN, MSNBC, and ABC opperate

  • gordonbloyershow

    Here is something that is true. Obama said Hirohito signed the WWII peace treaty on the USS Missouri.
    He did say he met his wife in college before a college crowd that he was addressing even though he met her at work.
    When is Tommy going to address all the LIES that Obama tells on a daily basis?

  • Anonymous

    you mean a Regressive?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYVAWGBIPKD6KM34635KNVLVGQ Lee

    Calm down libs/socialists! Obama almost CERTAINLY was planning on giving an apology or the Japanese wouldn’t have sent a message saying it wasn’t desirable. After all he WAS apologizing to EVERYONE else on Americas behalf! If you want some real fact checking done, there is still a $100,00.00 reward for anyone who has evidence that Tea Party people called blacks racist names on the capital steps! You know that claim don’t you? The one Pelosy is still FALSELY and KNOWINGLY making along with other lying liberals? There were dozens of camera phones going right there so all you have to do is find one with the evidence and your rich! You filthy hypocrites!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYVAWGBIPKD6KM34635KNVLVGQ Lee

    Calm down libs/socialists! Obama almost CERTAINLY was planning on giving an apology or the Japanese wouldn’t have sent a message saying it wasn’t desirable. After all he WAS apologizing to EVERYONE else on Americas behalf! If you want some real fact checking done, there is still a $100,00.00 reward for anyone who has evidence that Tea Party people called blacks racist names on the capital steps! You know that claim don’t you? The one Pelosy is still FALSELY and KNOWINGLY making along with other lying liberals? There were dozens of camera phones going right there so all you have to do is find one with the evidence and your rich! You filthy hypocrites!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYVAWGBIPKD6KM34635KNVLVGQ Lee

    Calm down libs/socialists! Obama almost CERTAINLY was planning on giving an apology or the Japanese wouldn’t have sent a message saying it wasn’t desirable. After all he WAS apologizing to EVERYONE else on Americas behalf! If you want some real fact checking done, there is still a $100,00.00 reward for anyone who has evidence that Tea Party people called blacks racist names on the capital steps! You know that claim don’t you? The one Pelosy is still FALSELY and KNOWINGLY making along with other lying liberals? There were dozens of camera phones going right there so all you have to do is find one with the evidence and your rich! You filthy hypocrites!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYVAWGBIPKD6KM34635KNVLVGQ Lee

    Calm down libs/socialists! Obama almost CERTAINLY was planning on giving an apology or the Japanese wouldn’t have sent a message saying it wasn’t desirable. After all he WAS apologizing to EVERYONE else on Americas behalf! If you want some real fact checking done, there is still a $100,00.00 reward for anyone who has evidence that Tea Party people called blacks racist names on the capital steps! You know that claim don’t you? The one Pelosy is still FALSELY and KNOWINGLY making along with other lying liberals? There were dozens of camera phones going right there so all you have to do is find one with the evidence and your rich! You filthy hypocrites!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYVAWGBIPKD6KM34635KNVLVGQ Lee

    Calm down libs/socialists! Obama almost CERTAINLY was planning on giving an apology or the Japanese wouldn’t have sent a message saying it wasn’t desirable. After all he WAS apologizing to EVERYONE else on Americas behalf! If you want some real fact checking done, there is still a $100,00.00 reward for anyone who has evidence that Tea Party people called blacks racist names on the capital steps! You know that claim don’t you? The one Pelosy is still FALSELY and KNOWINGLY making along with other lying liberals? There were dozens of camera phones going right there so all you have to do is find one with the evidence and your rich! You filthy hypocrites!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYVAWGBIPKD6KM34635KNVLVGQ Lee

    And just why would anyone feel have felt compelled to ask barry not to apologize?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYVAWGBIPKD6KM34635KNVLVGQ Lee

    Calm down libs/socialists! Obama almost CERTAINLY was planning on giving an apology or the Japanese wouldn’t have sent a message saying it wasn’t desirable. After all he WAS apologizing to EVERYONE else on Americas behalf! If you want some real fact checking done, there is still a $100,00.00 reward for anyone who has evidence that Tea Party people called blacks racist names on the capital steps! You know that claim don’t you? The one Pelosy is still FALSELY and KNOWINGLY making along with other lying liberals? There were dozens of camera phones going right there so all you have to do is find one with the evidence and your rich! You filthy hypocrites!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYVAWGBIPKD6KM34635KNVLVGQ Lee

    The white house and holder are already proved liars. Ever hear about “fast and furious”? It was their little attempt at subverting the second amendment and has made them co-conspirators to the murder of U. S. agents and HUNDREDS of Mexican nationals. And don’t tell me Bush started it. Under Bush the weapons were actually tracked, the Mexican government informed and the guns recovered. Barry and friends simply didn’t bother to track them at all. They WANTED the cartels to get them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JYVAWGBIPKD6KM34635KNVLVGQ Lee

    Barry wasn’t intending to apologize? The white house and holder are already proved liars. Where is your liberal outrage at the intentional assistance to drug cartels by the white house, in the MURDER of hundreds if not thousands? Ever hear about “fast and furious”? It was their little attempt at subverting the second amendment and has made them co-conspirators to the murder of U. S. agents and HUNDREDS of Mexican nationals. And don’t tell me Bush started it. Under Bush the weapons were actually tagged, tracked, the Mexican government informed and the guns recovered. Barry and friends simply didn’t bother to track them at all. They WANTED the cartels to get them so they could attack the second amendment here. Those facts cannot be dealt with in the lib world can they?

  • Anonymous

    Spreading lies like a good FOX pawn.  At least Fox was the one to apologize for another false report.  

  • Anonymous

    Typical Fox scum de terre.

  • WardMD

    What?  Like the Left Wing Media outlets (all) didn’t run (and re-run, over, and over again) the FALSE assertion that Rush Limbaugh (on ESPN) was making racist comments about Donovan McNabb (when, in point of FACT, he was saying how the MEDIA was giving Donovan McNabb UNDESERVED praise [on the SOLE basis that Donovan McNabb is BLACK]).

    SINCE those days, MANY Sports reporters/analysists have AGREED with Limbaugh…

    At the time Limbaugh made his comment, McNabb was NOT THAT GOOD.

    But THAT didn’t stop the Main Stream Media from making the accusation that Limbaugh is a Racist, now did it?

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