Does Herman Cain have staff and women’s health experts advising him on what to say? Because if he doesn’t, he should hire some people.

OWS is incoherent?

This is at least his fortieth “Admiral Stockdale Moment.” C’mon Teabaggers let the excuses and deflections and straw man arguments begin . . .  5, 4, 3, 2, 1 aaaaaannnnnndd GO

What Herman Cain means to say, and what all Republicans mean to say, is that abortion is fine and dandy, but only for THEIR families.  Everybody else should just do what the government tells them to do.

Herman Cain: “I’m Not Pro-Choice, I’m a Clown!”

And this is the new GOP front runner.

*snicker*

Thank you Tim! I note and appreciate your thoughtfulness and reasoning on this. (and a few other posts). I only mock really bad attempts at logic — but I love to learn and thrive on disparate opinions. Now if you could only talk to Michelle.

Next!

I don’t even think he knows what he is talking about so we might as well not even try!

If he is personally against abortion but thinks “the government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do”, he is Pro-Choice.

It’s not that difficult to comprehend Mr. Cain.

He needs to stick to pizza.  He’s clearly out of his league.

Herman Cain is CONFLICTED. He knows that espousing “small government” and advocating for a draconian anti-choice viewpoints are incongruent with each other. There’s no greater “big brother” than the anti-choice cult following who want a woman to give 24 or 48hr notices before a procedure, want to force them to get ultra-sounds, want doctors to forcibly read literature to women who want an abortion etc..for a medical procedure that is federally legal. Cain is intelligent and knows that it’s antithetical to his “govt stay out of our biz” philosophy. But, he knows the socons will sink his candidacy, F-A-S-T, so he’s trying to placate them with vacuous double-speak.

LMAO

3 words constitute “thoughtfulness and reasoning” in your pathetic lib brain.

Drink!

If moRon Paul wasn’t a complete hypocrite, his position (and that of ALL so-called libertarians) on abortion would be EXACTLY THE SAME as cain’s, which is to personally oppose it, but NOT demand that the government be the enforcer of his personal opinion.

I don’t know what’s worse having a Republican presidential candidate who struggles to speak English correctly  like Rick Perry or previously George Bush or one who doesn’t know anything about the issues. Both types of candidates are deeply embarrassing for our country.

 I only mock really bad attempts at logic

I only mock really bad attempts at logic

Great post

This buffoon’s 15 minutes are all but up. Soon he will be back driving the pizza delivery van.

It’s not difficult to understand his position at all.  Only seems to be because the democrats want to twist what he said.

He said – it’s not his business if you get an abortion since he’s not paying for it.  

Boy, that was tough. 

that’s exactly what he’s not saying.  Hmm hard of hearing?

Did I just read Herman Cain saying that whether a law should be obeyed is a “family’s decision”?

That’s the worst walkback since Newt instructed the media that any accurate quotation of his previous remarks would be a “falsehood.”

All the conservatives are still on the Obama ending the war post! They’re really freaking out and have yet to notice their  front runner is alienating their base. This is why Obama is going to win again conservatives want to spend all their time saying what they think his issues are instead of making sure their own crumbling house is in order.

Meanwhile Herman Cain is spouting nonsense…

to tell him what?  To tell him that he won’t be paying (the government) for a woman’s choice.  He doesn’t care what the woman chooses – he doesn’t think it’s the government’s business.  

Oh, really? Then whom was he referring to when he said the government should stay out of it? Everybody?

Too bad social conservative want Roe V. wade overturned.

Epic fail Herman. Socons hate it when you don’t tow the line. 

 so cain is anti-abortion and pro-choice, like most of america.   let the GOP fringe go bezerk and crush Cain as a viable candiate.

I’m honestly starting to think Larry O conducted his interview, in the manner he did, knowing that in the long run Cain would dig himself a hole by continuing to run his mouth. The more exposure Cain gets the more he drops the ball. He also doesn’t know how to leave well enough alone. His previous comments on the question actually weren’t that bad if you consider it from either side of the issue. He was pretty much saying he held a personal belief but his personal beliefs don’t always translate into policy decisions. Instead of sticking to that he tried to play a little further right to his base, and comes off as a fool for being dishonest about what he said.

Alex! Alex!”whether their stance on abortion would change if their daughters are raped is silly and distracting and, again, a waste of time.”There you go again….Think about Dick Cheney and the likelihood of his being sympathetic to gay/Lesbian issues without his daughter being a Lesbian! When it’s personal, it changes.

It sounds like to me, he is taking a position that I think many in government have. They despise abortion, do not want to fund abortions, do not want fed or tax dollars going to fund abortion clinics BUT they know what will happen if abortion is overturned. 

Back alley abortions. More abused, neglected and unwanted kids. More kids on welfare, etc. 

So, they may abhor abortion and everything about it, but they know it will be a whole different kind of ugly if it is ever overturned.

Hopefully, with things like the morning after pill, abortion can become a necessity only in the case of rape or incest. Now, despite what people claim, there are some who use abortion as a form of birth control. 

he’s anti-abortion and pro-choice.  it seems pretty clear to me – whether cain has the balls to be clear on that, or he totally reverses course, will be fascinating to watch.

Bush ended the war in 2008- it was in all of the papers. Oh, that’s right- you can’t read.

Smile so i can see ya rufus!

Racist !!! 

Racist !!

Racist !!

Racist !!

Racist !!

Racist !!

It’s equally embarrassing when it is a Democratic President or VP….and trust me, we’ve got both, right now.

Racist !!

Drink!!!

Racist !!

Racist !!

Racist !!

ObamaGasm !!

And Racist !! 

Racist !!

More idiocy from insipid expats.

Gosh how have you lived so long being this stupid?

Stop stealing my schtick . . . you . . . .you . . . AMATEUR!

He’s saying that the government can pass laws criminalizing abortion, but whether individuals choose to actually obey the law is just a private decision.

I can’t wait to hear his position on paying income taxes.

Cain is beginning to sound like an utter moron. Guess his 15 minutes is about up. Next !

Beginning???

Stonepark sooooo wants on that idiot list I did. He’s far too young though and still may acquire some knowledge and originality. STOP LAUGHING Y’ALL . .I’m being serious here . all things are possible through the grace of the Lord.

I don’t care how he couches it.

If he is prepared to pass laws to use the power of the state to stop individuals from getting abortions, he IS making any given abortion his business.

You’re right – it is not difficult to understand his position.  He’s Pro-Choice.

What’s amazing is that HE doesn’t understand his position.

LOL!

Let’s face it, conservatives HATE regulation, unless it involves voting, unions and abortion clinics.

Indeed!!!!

Many, if not most, pro-choicers are anti-abortion in some fashion.

The real question is whether or not the power of the state should be used to compel other people to adhere to your personal views.  “Pro-lifers” think it should, and “pro-choicers” think it shouldn’t.

Ron Paul is not a hypocrite. His position on abortion is aligned with his views on liberty and freedom: If the government cannot protect life, the others cannot be protected, either. 

He might be able to add Wesley Snipes to that wishful 30% if his income tax position sounds anything like his latest abortion stance.

Would you care to comment on what is “stupid” in the my comment, or do you prefer to just continue being irrelevant, off topic, and in violation of the roolz for commenting, rrk?

LOL

It is all relative. Dumb is hard to stand out with the folks he is running against.

The reason I think that question is silly is because no politician (if he or she wants to be elected) would answer that question by saying “Oh, true, yes, I would act as a hypocrite if given the chance. Next question, plz.” 

I don’t doubt that, for many, beliefs are challenged or even ignored when hypothetical issues hit close to him. But why would an interviewer expect a politician to admit this, you know? What I want to know is whether Cain believes (and the other candidates believe) that abortion should be legal or illegal. His family issues aren’t relevant to me as a voter who wants to understand where the candidates stand and whether their policies are going to impact me and other Americans.

Jackass!!

This is Herman Cain.    Such as. . . 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

Your post makes sense.

What you are neglecting, however, is that there is little room for ‘sense’ in the current republican party.

The social conservatives do not appreciate the ‘sense’ of your argument.  Not one bit!

Not only do they want Roe v Wade overturned, there are several ‘personhood’ laws in the works.

These would not only outlaw abortion and the morning after pill, but could conceivably outlaw the pill since the pill can prevent a FERTILIZED egg (i.e. a “person”) from implanting.

Romeny was caught flat footed on that particular issue – apparently he doesn’t know much about lady business…

well if it is illegal–it is the governments business right?????
or is this another nuanced reality from the right?
because right now there is already a law in place that does not allow for government funds to pay for abortion—sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
what is the deal bill?

quite the one trick pony you are.

you’re like an annoying child that thinks it’s clever.

and again–conservative irony…
THIS FOOL JUST MOCKED HIMSELF WITH A DOUBLE POST…
HAHAHAHAHAHA

OMG–you are some of the most stupid people on the planet–really..
do you work for fox?
hahahahaha
geesh~

i am waiting for pizza man to come out saying “there are just too many mother freaking snakes on this mother freaking train’..
i know i am not the only one who has thought this right?
he is like a really bad Sam Jackson impersonator..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=amYzBQMT4VI

oh, and btw, not everyone is as dense as you…
we got the not so subtle not so clever point you were trying to make after the first dozen ‘racist!’s

Hey ‘Tard. Who aid this “Brevity is the Soul of Wit”?  Quick, the clock is ticking. what an idiot.

RRK living in your head!

LOL

too bad the military did not know it…
omg~

you really need to get a life–really..
loser~

“…give the platform to someone who has
actually thought this thing through, has a firm grasp on the issues at
hand, and is ready to let me know where he or she stands.”

i think that narrows the field to gingrich and paul…

 And nice Alex-my comment gets removed and yet you let people like Stonepark say racist things all day long. that’s mighty rich. Mighty rich indeed.

Haven’t social conservatives *wanted* to overturn Roe v Wade since it began? I don’t know, I would think if it was going to happen, it would have. I think there are many people passionately opposed to abortion, and it is a wedge issue every single voting year….but it’s still around. And I think that is because of the reasons I mentioned. I could be wrong, but that is my personal feeling. 

Religious beliefs drive a lot of those who oppose abortion (and even birth control), as well as those who feel it is “murdering” unborn children. They are passionate about it, just as passionate as anti-death penalty people are on the Left. 

Sure, some of those who vehemently oppose it are in the government, but my feeling is a vast majority realize the perils should it ever actually be overturned.

what herbie is saying is-HE BELIEVES ABORTION IS MURDER AND AGAINST THE LAW—BUT HE DOES NOT FEEL IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO CARE IF PEOPLE COMMIT MURDER OR BREAK THE LAW?
let me see–
herbie-it is the family decision to commit murder1
wow–CONSERVATISM–IF IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE NOW–WAIT TILL THE EXPLANATION—then it will really sound stupid~
hahaha

Bullshit. He said he wants it to be illegal! That affects..ahem…everyone!

Cain just released his 999 abortion plan

Abortion will be illegal for the first 9 months but for 99 dollars you can have one in a back alley.

Republicans have decided that the novelty of Herman Cain has worn off. He was their token Black candidate but now his time is up.

The more he talks, the more he moves further away from sensible reasoned logic.

Hey Sarah in Italy has been asking for you all day.  Quite an impression you’ve made on her.

*snicker*

…That’s mean!

He’s basically learning what a “purity test” is. Like David Frum posted not too long ago, if Ronald Reagan were alive today, he would be getting primary’d.

Typical conservative, the government should stay out of your business, except for the following:
Who you sleep with
Who you marry
How you worship (we are a Christian nation don’t you know)
Your use of contraception
What a woman does with her body
How we teach science (or belief as they want preached in school)

See a pattern here?  And these are then clowns worried about Sharia Law.

He is a HYPOCRITE ON THAT ISSUE AND JUST DOING SO TO GET TRACTION IN THE BIBLE BELT. Caps off. Whew. A true libertarian candidate (like Gov. Johnson) would be pro-choice. Govt. should stay out of personal business. ALL OF IT.

I imagine it more like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4t6zNZ-b0A

Your candidate is so moronic even Karzai was laughing at him!

It’s the same thing Dan Quayle said in 1992.  Quayle said he would support his daughter’s decision to commit murder.

Thank you. That is our position. It is about the government dictating and making it a crime. 

need a tissue?

Not always. I give you Alan Keys – an Obama rival (in Illinois) who basically disowned his daughter when she came out of the closet.

Not the evangelical right! They want it criminalized, period, damn the consequences.

Up until recently I would have agreed.

Not only was it unrealistic to think that RvW would be overturned, I don’t think most of the GOP pols even WANT it overturned – maybe for your reasons but also because it’s too useful as campaign tool.  It’s a big juicy piece of red meat to wave at the social conservatives.

These ridiculous restrictions and ‘personhood’ laws though that are popping up in certain states are very troubling.

They may force the issue to come to a head as they are challenged in court which is a strategy some of the anti-choicers have openly admitted to… 

You are dead on. I had the same thing in writing before I read your concise post. Thankfully, these people are in the minority. No “personhood amendment” has ever succeeded at the polls. 

I don’t fault him for getting it confused, since his positions make absolutely no sense to begin with, when he is asked a question he will answer how he feels, not necessarily what his position is, It sounds like he believes that as soon as a sperm goes into an egg if that doesnt turn into a baby in 9 months then it’s murder, but also that it’s not the government’s business to prosecute murder…..

you do know know federal dollars can’t be used for abortions, right?

we settled that issue a long, long time ago

I think it’s funny that the fox news gal totally baited the question for him so he knew how to answer, while pierce Morgan did not, and that’s why we get him completely contradicting himself over and over, and apparently not even realizing it.

its never settled, they are still trying to get abortions approved at military hospitals

If you are as confused as Herman and me than you have to be pro choice.

Good point. 

Cain must be the one who helps Perry prepare for debates

He cares, by wanting to criminalize it, Einstein.

Psssssst. It’s because abortion is already LEGAL in the USA!

pssst, federal funds

The king of class!

Anti-Bullying Bully Dan Savage Invites Herman Cain to Suck his D**k
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/erin-r-brown/2011/10/21/anti-bullying-bully-dan-savage-invites-herman-cain-suck-his-dk#ixzz1bRpjLB9g

as a conservative i can tell you that the republican positions on most of your aforementioned issues are an embarrassment…  but what form of contraception are conservatives against?…

as for sharia law, you’re right…  we shouldn’t worry at all about religious zealots taking the law into their own hands and meting out their brand of social justice…  it would be a welcome relief to our overburdened police forces and court systems…

Why are you talking about Berlusconi? No one cares.

That was one of the funniest clips I have ever seen.

This is right up your alley michelle. right up your alley…

I am jelous of the relationship Sarah N. Italy and BFD enjoy.

Oh don’t get all frothy Michelle!

Savage actually has a good point.  If Cain can choose to service Savage and be aroused at the same time, he could put the whole “choice” issue to bed.

Your country needs you Mr. Cain!  Serve your country (on your knees)! 

“we shouldn’t worry at
all about religious zealots taking the law into their own hands and meting out
their brand of social justice”

that is the point–the religous zealots are taking the law into their own hands–
they just happen to pretend to worship christ instead of allah—
(which ironically most do not know that allah is God and not a physical incarnation of the creator)
but i digress..

it is like the turd fighting the fart on which smells the best…
crazy world we live in for sure~

 LOL

How so?

Savage, like most liberals is a hypocrite.  He’s constantly talking about bullying, when in fact, he’s a huge bully.  An absolute scumbag.

LOL

Good points, but then again simple questions seem to have caught up a number of politicians. On the surface you would think the question lacked malevolence, or doubt that anyone would be stupid enough to be tripped up by it, but if that were the case “gotcha question” wouldn’t be a popular term along with accusations of deceitful interviewing techniques, in the aftermath of a politician saying something foolish.

uh–michelle–do you know what a hypocrite is?
i know it is a big word–but as most of you like to do–try to use liberal talking points that describe YOU and project them on others -thus obfuscating the argument to alleviate culpability..
but you just look stupid.. so let me help–Definition of HYPOCRITE
-a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion please try to use words you understand and quit copying us–for god’s sake–do a little work

so let me help–
Definition of HYPOCRITE
-a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion please try to use words you understand and quit copying us–for god’s sake–do a little work

Fortunately during my childbearing years I never required an abortion.  Personally I would prefer not to abort a child.  It is and was however, my decision as to what to do.  I watched the interview with Morgan.  Cain was not confused by Morgan.  It was a straight question.  Women in America do not need the government to tell them what they can and cannot do with their bodies.  The only difference between legal abortion and illegal is that legal is a safer method.  Women got abortions prior to Roe v. Wade.  Turn the clock back and women will still get abortions.  Does any sensible person in the U.S today think women who want abortions will stop getting them if the law were changed?  They would not.  It would, however, open up a new black market for shady doctors. 

When I was pregnant with my 3rd child it was my mother-in-law who wanted me to get an abortion.  This was before Roe v. Wade, and she knew just where I could go.  All the old timers did.  She had herself an abortion back in the 1930′s.  My choice to have the child was mine.  I was too young to realize that it was my government that would have sent me to an illegal doctor to do this had I wished it.  I didn’t contemplate our laws at the time.  No person in their 20′s by and large does.   Do our candidates really think a law would stop a woman from doing whatever she wanted to do?  It would just cost her more.  What is much too difficult for our government to do is to put a time limit onto abortions.  They cannot do this because abortion has become a political thing.  Nobody should be aborting a 7 month old fetus, not when most probably the woman could have done it earlier.  Our stagnant government is way too dumb to make up a law that makes sense.  There is nobody alive on earth who knows when a conception turns into a human being with soul.  That is because we do not know if we have a soul.  We just hope we do.  Religion doesn’t know.  It just says we do.  I find the sheer stupidity of what goes on with our candidates to be an insult to the average thinking American. Those who use abortion as a mean of birth control should not be producing a child, plain and simple.  They are not parent material. If we have a soul, that soul would do better to find a parent who wants him/her.  I am wondering when Europe became more enlightened than America.  Apparently it passed me by.  No woman in America requires the Christian Taliban to tell her what she can and cannot do.  Instead of dealing with real issues every diversionary tactic is used in America to get our infantile minds off the real issue of the economy and jobs.  This is all sheer baloney.  

Once again this 100% your domain. This is an even better topic for you than diapers.

Please continue.

Ha! Here I thought Michelle was talking about Michael Savage and I thought, wow — Michelle has finally found a conservative who’s even too nuts for her. Then, of course, I look at the next post and see that she’s talking about Dan. 

Alas, her moment of sanity slips away…

LOL!!

You just keep talking about it. I’m sure your expertise in this subject matter will reveal many brilliant insights.

Please continue.

Feel free to prove your point by posting a comment of mine that comes close to Savages.

I don’t blame Cain for his confusion nearly as much as I blame the modern Republican party which has boxed itself into a corner. He’s trying to serve two GOP mantras that are in conflict — outlaw abortion and limited government — and, of course, he can’t reconcile them logically. But no one can. 

Amen!

I don’t know what your comment was, but I really would like to know the “rules” of Mediaite. You already pointed out one person that goes beyond the line. I’ve seen some pretty nasty stuff on this site. I just thought the moderators of this site were too busy enjoying the hits they get, from the wild west format, to actually care. It did raise an eyebrow when I saw Tommy Christopher issue a direct warning (involving banishment) to a poster who used a silly derivative of his name. I like TC, and enjoy the irrational reaction the mere mention of his name invokes amongst some of the posters here, but where does he get off thinking insults to the name of The President, his family, other politicians, posters, and racist comments, all on display on an almost daily basis here, are okay, but putting a spin on his name isn’t? So what is it Mediaite? What exactly are your rules, and why frown upon some things while allowing others? 

Yeah, she kinda has a crush on me.

“And this is coming from someone, by the way, who thinks that asking
politicians whether their stance on abortion would change if their
daughters are raped is silly and distracting and, again, a waste of
time”

See, I don’t think it’s a waste of time at all. Too many people change their stances when it comes to their own lives, and that’s not fair. While he didn’t admit as much (choosing instead to sidestep the question as he’s famously been doing all over the place), his answer was going to be different. And that’s why he stopped and sidestepped. You can’t say “I believe is no abortion. Ever. Period.” And then change your views when it comes to your own family. “Oh, my family? Well, that’s a whole other issue.” No it’s not! You just said no abortion ever. Thus, his answer should have been a simple one. “No, Piers, I still would not believe in abortion in that situation.” But, alas, his true answer methinks is very different from that, which is why he didn’t answer at all.

And this, of course, is becoming a recurring theme with Cain. On three different occasions within the last two weeks, in fact, Cain has tried to use the old “You’re talking about two different situations” response when that’s simply not true. Happened on Lawrence O’Donnell, happened on the debate with the ‘apples and oranges’, and happened here again. He thinks he can weasel out of having to answer these questions by claiming the interviewer confused the situation, but it’s a grade school approach to trying to stay out of trouble. I just hope voters realize this.

Wait! Stop! Did someone say… 9?

 Don’t have to;  see honey you endorse every one of Notsofast/stonepark’s comments. We’ve seen you do it and you’re no better than him. After all you said you’d love to hang out with him. Let’s be clear you would hang out with a potty mouthed racist. You’re no better than savage and don’t start thinking you ever will be.

Next?

WOW This guy couldn’t get a pizza order straight. lol

My apologies. I had to get my 9,9,9 joke in while I still could. Stay tuned. Oh, Cain…

In other words, as usual, you can’t back up your claims that I’m a hateful, vile, racist, psycho, b*tch, c*nt.  Got it!

How was my comment on the diaper thread off topic?

actually most of your comments are crass and are way out in right field—

i just want to know what you have against oral sex…
here is another irony–
anything to do with sex is the most evil thing in the world for the cons–even though they have the most controversy with man on man and man on child–

but–when it comes to killing? yea baby–killem all—
except of course a fetus-that is precious and from god—BUT AFTER THAT SUCKER POPS OUR—
GET THE NAIL GUN AND THE EXTENSION CORD…
i think more of you cons should suck a little pee pee—and not just the men who do it in public bathrooms…
love baby–not war~

 It shows!

I’m sure the moment your name popped up she went to fetch her “back massage implement”

those are abortions for WOMEN IN WAR ZONES

why do you hate the troops, cjd?

The clock is about to strike midnight for the Pizza Cinderella.

do some research about access to Plan B in some states, then you can come back here.  or about conscientious/moral objectors at pharmacies and filling BC prescriptions.

re Sharia law.  it demonstrates you don’t understand it and the states that are putting up votes about it are states with how many Muslims?  exactly how many muslims live in Oaklahoma? 

pssst!  Rational, intelligent commentors:

Think there’s a way to lure the court jester and michelle and the other idiots over to outkube.com?

Perhaps spread a rumor that outkube is giving away free pork rinds, trucknutz, deep fried cheese whiz?….maybe inflatible Ronald Reagan sex dolls….?

Thoughts?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-decoy-website-launched-to-lure-away-all-moroni,26393/

wow, seek got utterly eviscerated in this thread

go sulk seek, take a walk down by the river, clear your mind, and logic
and reason will follow (hopefully)

He wants abortion to be illegal – but also thinks it’s none of the government’s business whether families choose to break the law.

“Life” as social conservatives would have the government define it – and not how the majority of the American people define it.

 I just did. And while those adjectives are all yours they do seem appropriate given your associations.

Stonepark is your rev wright.

How fitting.

I never said it was off topic-I said this topic is much more “you.” this is the topic you were born to drone on and on and on about. Diapers seem so yesterday when you have this at your fingertips.

Now spread your wings and fly!

Seek . . . you sometimes strike a noble chord. How about just admitting BASED ON Herman Cain and this Mediaite post, that Mr. Cain has problems articulating his positions. That’s all. Don’t deflect. Don’t blame the media. It’s Cain. He Can’t. And like Perry, Bachmann, et. al., he is his own worst enemy,

not the troops, just you……so federal funds aren’t settled huh?

Lol!! The minute you mentioned “Ronald Reagan sex toys”, they were in!!

women in war zones cant control themselves, damn sex addicts…..

If Cain wins we should be fair and elevate a mid level manager of a regional DMV to head Apple.  If a man with no knowledge of policy can be made leader in the public sector, a public sector employee with a similarly small understanding of the private deserves a four year tryout.  

Tee Hee

Lol!! “Guest” verbally bashed you so hard the comment has to be removed to save you from your embarrassment!!  Lol!!

Classic!! The more Herb Cain opens his mouth, the more he sounds like a typical, confused, idiot of a Republicon!!

If you have to ask you’re not paying attention, and your take on Sharia Law says a lot. I think Chris Christie said it best with regards to Sharia Law and the crazies who are worried about it. Look it up on YouTube.

Ya gotta’ love the President’s Economic Plan:

Smear the Republicans with contemptuous lies on the Magic Bus non-campaign tour (lol); then ask them to support your Slush-Fund, Keep-Public-Union-Workers-Employed-for-the-next-13-months bill (heh-heh); and just hope beyond hope that John McCain is doing the negotiating!

LMAO!

Norby do you ever post anything on topic? Just curious.

Oh, I thought I was on a different thread, but I do take liberties on Breaking News! – and may sometimes digress from topic.

That’s not his function in the larger scheme.  Norbit is a political spammer… not a commenter.  

This is brilliant. I suspect that that creepy just4thefax guy is there right now, copying and pasting his standard gibberish into the comments section, oblivious to whether the thread is about Sharia Law or Barbie. 

And, Greg, what per se constitutes a “political spammer”?

Or better yet, pull a dozen or so of my posts up randomly, and we’ll all see how much “spam” there is, and how much substance!

Michelle, it’s been pointed out to you ad nauseum. Then you pretend you didn’t see it and move onto the next thread, along with all your nasty, bilious comments about liberals and Obama and anyone who doesn’t see the world from your perspective. (And as Rufus points out, stonepark is one of the vilest of the lot, and yet you seem to feel quite comfortable with his/her/its comments, too. Just sayin…)

Herb is finally getting vetted and he’s not looking good.

Called it.

Keep backing Herman Cain, conserva-dolts!
In a country with tens of millions of conservatives, you’ve decided that he’s TOP OF THE HEAP! THE BEST YOU’VE GOT! THE MOST ELECTABLE CONSERVATIVE IN YOUR PARTY!

Well done, Conservatives.

Poor Herman.. he’s such a pathetic joke, or, are the people who actually support this clown the real pathetic jokes and he’s the manipulator making money off their ignorance.. kinda like how Palin has pilfered every dollar she could take from the mental midgets who fall for her cartoonish nonsense.

Um, that sounds like a Rethug plan and…wasn’t this article about Herb?

He’s about 10 minutes removed from telling us all knock-knock jokes.

again, nice dodge there, cjd

you can never admit you’re wrong

Sounds like Herb is pro-life and now that he’s getting some backlash from the small government peeps (xcept if you own a uterus) …. he’s pandering. Yep, he’s a panderer.

You must be lost.

How is this story covering the media? Huh, MEDIAITE?

This is a political story. There are sites, thousands, that already do this.

Aren’t you supposed to be covering the people who cover the stories?

I’m noticing so much more just simple stories with no reference to the “media” and yet they get slipped in under TV.

Apples and oranges again. There goes Cain as a running mate for Mitt Romney.  Romney/Gingrich perhaps.

Fact: Medialite was taken so they left out the ‘L’!!!!!

Fact: Medialite was taken so they left out the ‘L’!!!!!

Fact: Rufus. Where is the beef on any of your post?

Fact: You had to pull that one off your favorite commedy central news channel. right?

Fact: I think there should be a little more morals in how tax dollars are spent not for the people’s screw ups!

Fact: RRK is now labled a guess with comment removed!!!! Hahahahahahaha……………………

If Mitt Romney can flip flop on abortion, so can Herman Cain. 

Cain hasn’t flipped.  He’s said all along what his position is – the problem for liberals is he doesn’t believe in forcing his opinions on others – if you choose to smoke dope or otherwise ruin your life that’s yours business, but be prepared to live with the consequences.  If abortion is illegal its illegal, if its legal its legal, but still wrong in his eyes, but as a citizen of a “free” country the choice is yours to make.

Yeah, you are smoking some of that weed

No matter how bad these people screw trying to tell you what they think you want to hear, you still just hear what you want to hear.

You fools deserve this group of fools.

Nope, not what he said.

If he wants all abortions to be illegal he’s making it the government’s business, while the other day it should be a family decision, not the government.

He said something fairly reasonable and honest,then when he found out the conservative base was mad about it, he changed his mind. Reasonable and honest, not the way to go in this case.

In this case he couldn’t use his go to, “It was a joke” defense.

so if its settled as you said……..women in a war zone should not even slip in because that would be federally fund, so what is darla settled or not

The difference, you might notice, between how the Left criticizes Cain and how the Right criticizes Obama is that the Left doesn’t draw Cain as an 17th century African peasant or a monkey, accuse him of secretly being a Kenyan or constantly make hip-hop references to everything he does. Of course, some on the Right are comfortable without innuendo, like this Tea Party “founder”: 

http://www.mediaite.com/online/tea-party-leader-that-claimed-no-slurs-now-famous-for-n-word-sign/

The Lefties here are actually just criticizing Cain for being stupid and having bad policies. Do you see the difference? The Right evokes race and the Left criticizes a black man just as they would a white. If you need help trying to understand, let me know and I’ll spell it out some more. 

Every time he says something, he has to clarify it later. What a time-waster!

Which statement was he not saying? One he said he didn’t say,..after he did or one he’ll change in time,….”again” ! ( as long as that’s what a “tea” wants to hear)

I don’t recall the noble chord,… ever, from seek!

Twist,… “Cain!? You don’t have to,….. he does it for us!

Good call!

Try something new!

You know, teccec, you make an amazingly forceful case.
I now believe that Herman Cain should be president of the United States.

Watch out, though.  He might call you a child and then claim to have “won.”

Internet Tough Guys these days…

Oh, sweet, sweet instant karma, how do I love thee…

You’re leaving out the part where tax dollars would be spent in trying to criminalize it.

That’s adorable.

Oh, you.

Don’t forget marriage.

That clip never stops being funny to me.  It’s one thing to slip up when asked a question.  It’s another to do that.  Especially in reference to The Iraq.

Fact:  I stole my schtick from bad 90s political attack ads.

Or as he’d put it:

Fact:  I say fact because im witty and know how to put together sentences dont you stupid liberals know anything!!!!!

Please Tell Me More !!!

With all the BS and nonsensical flip flops he likely now is assured a spot on Fox.

Yes he will get his seperation pay from the Kochs and move on to the Fox payroll soon.

What?  If it is illegal how is it the choice of the citizen?  Do you know what illegal means?  You post reads like you made a choice to smoke dope just before you wrote it.

Sorry Mo, didn’t see your weed reference prior to my post.  That is what you call a soft target.

Herman Cain is simply saying “Ooops I’m flip flopping Quick lets talk about my 9 9 9 Plan!”

I love hearing republicans whine about alleged “bullying,” as if they have half a chance at going back on their stance, just this one time.  Your tears are delicious, Michelle.

He’s so lost, his GPS laughs at him…

uh… why are you claiming BFD and RRK are the same person? Did we uncover yet another alias of RRK’s?

So Rufus, not only are you RRK, but you confused yourself, and revealed you are BFD as well….?

of course you are. you are obsessed with me.

NO, he was just irrelevant, and added absolutely no value to the civil discussion we were having regarding Alex’s post. Just like you are doing here….

Just because Cain doesn’t give the indoctrinated answers the media and
liberals want us all to have, they report that Cain is stumbling on the
issues and make fun of him. Yes we Cain in 2012. A vote for Romney is
more of the Same!

Censure 13 hours ago in reply to Rufus DanegroI don’t know what your comment was, but I really would like to know the “rules” of Mediaite. 
http://www.mediaite.com/online/look-out-mediaite-commenters-we-are-watching-you/

Posts that are NOT okay:– Any posts that are personal insults directed to the author of the piece– Any posts that are personal insults directed at another commenter– Any post that uses profanity– Any post that contains racism, homophobia, sexism, etc.- Any post that I judge to deviate too greatly from the topic of the story– Any post with spam.

well, it is committing murder of unborn babies to some people. If you were standing on a street corner and saw someone murder a baby in a stroller wouldn’t you want them punished? 

If a mother is pregnant and stabs her stomach, or is killed when pregnant, they can be charged with killing the unborn baby. If a woman gives birth early and kills the baby, they can be charged with murder. Some people don’t make the distinction between whether it is in or out of the womb.

That’s what abortion is to some people. Murder of an innocent life. You can disagree, but that doesn’t mean they are wrong, or don’t have the right to feel that way.

damning the consequences occurs when people have unprotected sex and get knocked up when they don’t want to be. Perhaps if less people had *damn the consequences* moments, there would be less abortion….

Fact: That’s great we love the Koch Brothers private industry of job creators!!!

Nobody says “they don’t have the right to feel that way.”  What we’re saying is that they don’t have the right to criminalize the actions of others who DON’T feel that way.  “Thought police” pro-lifers try to force their views on others and make it a crime to do something perfectly legal and moral, both in this nation and many others around the world.  Pro-choice activists don’t try to force their views and choices on others; they don’t force anyone to get an abortion or support abortions in general.  They just want to allow each individual the freedom to exercise their own rights and make their own choices.

See the difference between the left and right there?

Fact: “We’ve seen a huge drop in the number of CNN.com commenters accusing one another of being fucking retard dipshits, and the once common practice among users of equating any viewpoint they do not personally share to the philosophy of the Taliban has almost entirely disappeared.” This site is for leftist dum-fuks like Jarmey barnards and Exgommer pile!!!!!

Fact: No he’s talking just to you. That’s why he has dummied
it down!!!

I wish Cain wasn´t serious, but obviously he is very convinced his lunatic views would make some sense. They don´t. He´s crazy.

Then, please, by all means, nominate Cain. And please have him pick Bachmann as his running mate. It’s a dream ticket!

To claim one is for, or, against abortion, is really a statement about a person’s attitude on whether or not abortion is a “right?”  Hence, the basis for legalized abortion extends from a series of legal decisions, each one creating or affirming the existence of a right within the text of the Constitution.  Respectfully, consider this question/statement:  ”Wait until your Ox is gored?”

Supreme Court decisions, frequently establish  principle’s that extend beyond the case at hand.  For instance, think about the blizzard of 1st amendment cases and how many of those cases have overlap: Pornography and public profanity?  Also, Muslim’s can build a Mosque with no more, no less consideration than Christians can build a Church.  However, the philosophy may sound fine, until the Muslims build the Mosque in your neighborhood, and “your Ox is gored,” so to speak.

Ergo, “pro choice,” abortion rights were established by way of the series of Supreme Court cases I mentioned above.  I ASK: Do you know or have you considered the “principles” and “overlap” involved and what the broader implication’s are, of repealing Roe v. Wade?  In other words…”your Ox could be gored,” in ways you have not considered, by the codified, elimination of abortion.

Has anyone ever explained this too you, have you ever considered this before:  If “Roe” is overturned, does that mean by way of legal machination, that “Griswold” is overturned, also, would “Eisenstadt” will be overturned?  And, how would that affect you and your “Ox?”

Purveyor 

…both of whom can spell and make coherent points.

Next.

I’ve been “pro choice” all of my adult life.  Moreover, this issue is not the most pleasant subject for a variety of reasons.  In fact, I suspect many who are intellectually “pro-choice,” would rather not?  Personally, I am always wary of Government intrusion in very private areas of my personal and family life.  I think Government has a “full plate,” so to speak, and needs to spend time elsewhere.

Originally, the Supreme Court dealt with abortion by initiating a tri-mester regulation.  I have “concluded,” that the “tri-mester” approach needs an adjustment of sorts, as medical science now tells us that fetal viability is closer to conception, than once thought.  My “conclusion” is based on reason and science, NOT, the moral or religious caprice of the overtly religious.

Hence, I guess we have to ask ourselves, how we make this decision and how we elect a candidate.  Do we want a man or woman who puts reason first, or morality first?

Purveyor

*guest

As a very wise man once said, “It is better to stay silent and let people think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

“What we’re saying is that they don’t have the right to criminalize the actions of others who DON’T feel that way.  “Thought police” pro-lifers try to force their views on others and make it a crime to do something perfectly legal and moral, both in this nation and many others around the world.”

Abortion, in the eyes of many, is murder. Murder is illegal. The morality of abortion is completely debatable. If the law decides that it is not illegal to kill babies up to a year after they are born, is that moral? If the law allows that you can abort or kill a newborn based on sex or disability, is that moral?

Pro choice activists want to force people to fund abortion, and it is funded by govt. dollars. Don’t bother denying it, we have already hashed that out in other threads. Planned Parenthood and Obamacare do and will fund abortions, whether indirectly, or directly. That is forcing others to support abortion. 

Other countries allow husbands to beat their wives, or stone them for adultery, or getting raped. Our laws “criminalize the actions of others who DON’T feel that way” don’t they?

Amigo,

I noticed you read my two Posts on the Cain/abortion issue?  I tried to cover an awful lot of ground, in very short time.  I want America’s leaders to be men and women of reason, who have the capacity to use their intellect to satisfy their, and our’s, moral inclinations.

However, the latter must result from the resolution of the former.  I believe that is what our Founder’s wanted, 200 or so years ago.  Unfortunately, we’ve managed to twist the Law in favor of our own “Ox”!  LOL  I believe we can repair problem without dismantling the Constitution.  

Reacquiring our personal honor and character would be a good place to start?  Reason, devoid of truth, is merely deception.

Purveyor     

Cain’s position depends who he is talking to at the time.  He is making it up as he goes. If Cain had solid core principles on this critical issue, he would not be confounding pro-life voters on this.  He would take a stand, articulate it well, and stick with it.  

I am sick of seeing Cain back pedal all the time and get a pass for it.  Was Cain “a consistent and unwavering champion of pro-life issues” when Cain endorsed pro-abortion Romney in 2008?  

If all pro-life voters have is pro-abortion flip-flopper Romney, another abortion flip-flopper in Cain, and Perry who endorsed pro-abortion Giuliani, who else do we have?  Santorum and Bachmann can’t even break past the margin of error in any poll.  Ron Paul is the last man standing; Paul has signed the pro-life pledge, and he is actually discussing his pro-life position in his speeches and TV ads – that is a refreshing change.

Thank you.

My first glimmer of respect for Cain came—when I heard him say ‘Abortion is not the business of the US government’.        Truer words were never spoken.     THIS is NOT what the founding fathers envisioned the government of this country sticking it’s nose into!      These are personal decisions to be made by the people—-NOT by it’s government.     This is NOT China nor Iran.  If only more people minded their own business !

cjdohio—-you think the military plans provide Viagra for any males professing they can’t get it up?      Now I hate to see my tax dollars spent on that !

I am not asking the government to fund abortions, in case the other day I gave the wrong impression.  I want to make sure that women have a right to a legal abortion.  Funding is quite another story.  A woman does not have to get pregnant and a man does not have to make a woman pregnant, not in this day and age.  So I would not fund the procedure.  I would just make it illegal.  When people know they have to pay out of pocket you would see how fast they would run to the drugstore or the doctor to prevent the pregnancy.  

This is a perfect example of how we never do things sensibly in this country.  Allow the abortion but make the people who want to use it as birth control pay.  

If I managed to have only the number of children I wanted to have, so can others.  That would take care of the funding issue.

Why is it always MALES who ignorantly perceive this as ‘murder’.       Do you even know what a zygote, an embryo, even a fetus looks like in the early stages when most abortions occur?     How many adopted disabled kids, or kids of mixed races have YOU taken in?     Whether you understand the entire question of abortion or not—-It is LEGAL for women to make a choice whether they can afford, or want another pregancy!      You know, Korey, if Pregnancy was a Man’s procedure, this would not even be an issue!    You think men would let the Government tell them what they could do with their body and an unwanted pregnancy???   Not hardly !    So Mind your own little business, keep your own zipper zipped, and everybody will be happy!

So—-in other words—-A Woman has the Right to Choose!       Got it?

So was that Before or after he said the Government should not be in the Abortion issue?    That means   Mind Your Own Business, Republican Party!!!

As a conservative with a libertarian streak, I really like Herman Cain’s stand on this issue. I’ve felt for years that abortion should not even be a political issue, and the government has no right to interfere this kind of personal decision. I may not like abortion, and I don’t as a rule, but someone else’s decision to have an abortion should not be my or anyone else’s business.

No, but Romney-Cain could be.

Our country is about to be bankrupt and abortion is a non-issue. The fact that we let the media cause so much drama over something that has no bearing on the economic recovery shows how much control they truly have over the process. Do you want to change the economy or continue to try and change the abortion culture? Choose one.

Piers Morgan and everyone else who continues to bring up this discussion is muddying the waters when it comes to finding a candidate that can fix this country’s pathetic economic situation.

Exactly where has Cain flip-flopped?

Let’s get one thing straight about Herman Cain.  The man will say whatever is necessary to get your vote.  He panders and flip flops.  He flip flopped about TARP, auditing of Federal Reserve, the assassination of an American aw-Awlaki, abortion, 9-9-9 now 9-0-9 and now abortion (I’m sure I missed one or two more, hard to keep up).  He doesn’t even have a strong command of the Constitution. There are videos of him demonstrating this.  As an INSIDER (former Federal Reserve Chairman), he’s pulled the wool over the eyes of many as a simple businessman BUT each day he sounds more and more like a politician. 

Mencius you are obviously the smartest person in this room.  Please keep spreading that meme about the Right having so little to work with that the best they can do is namecall.

He refers to himself more accurately as a constitutional conservative; certainly he is libertarian leaning but on this issue he departs a bit. To address your comment here is a paragraph from the chapter on abortion from his book Liberty Defined: “The fact is that the fetus has legal rights – inheritance, a right not to be injured or aborted by unwise medical treatment, violence, or accidents. Ignoring these rights is arbitrary and places relative rights on a small, living human being. The only issue that should be debated is the moral one: whether or not a fetus has any right to life. Scientifically, there’s no debate over whether the fetus is alive and human-if not killed, it matures into an adult human being. It is that simple. So the time line of when we consider a fetus a ‘human’ is arbitrary after conception, in my mind.” But remember, he doesn’t want the federal government to make the choice; he wants to leave it to the states which more closely reflect the moral values of the people it represents. –Hope that helps

Cain is clearly pro-idiot.

Cain is for illegal coat hanger abortions. What’s so confusing about that?

How did it make you feel when Cain later followed that up by saying ‘the US Government should make abortion illegal’?

Do you get it yet? He is just trying to tell people what he thinks they want to hear.

Let get one thing straight.. no matter how many Ron Paul supporters swarm every news site.. it won’t get him elected.

No more like Rubio has a running mate.

No Romney.

I have no idea whose posts you’re reading, but I’m pro-choice. Hell, I’m pro-abortion.

As someone who is Pro Life I have to say that most of your statement is one of the better, well thought out, and reasonable comments I have read. Of course being Pro Life I have issues with abortion at any time. Well with the exception of the mothers life being in danger.

However I would be fine if they would just pass a law aganst mid to late term abortions. I know It would still be an issue to the hard right and left on this issue. The “Life” side will say all life is life and the choice side will say “it’s a womans body and choice”

I tend to prefer to error on the side of caution and find that there is a big Moral and Reason issue behind the destruction of something that will be a a human life.

Since everyone posting here seems to be an expert on everything.. I’d like to know EXACTLY what Barack Obama’s position on abortion is. I mean something that includes his statements in the press. Preferably with video.
I want to know exactly (in writing) so I can hold him to his statements in the coming year. I want to compare what he says in New York or San Francisco compared to what he says in (say) Iowa or Georgia.

Can any of you ‘Ron Paul experts on everything’, please provide that information for me?

Cain is stating he doesn’t think it is right for the government to tell someone they can or cannot have an abortion, that is all.  I am against abortion also but I don’t want the government to tell me I can or cannot do something.  Those who get abortions will have to stand before God and answer to their crime when they die.  The government should keep infrastructure up and a strong military so that we can live in safety, otherwise, stay the hell out of my life!  No Nanny State for the Lazy either, you want something, you work for it, no handouts!  I will be Raising Cain in 2012!

HERMAN CAIN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012!

Cain has more Common Sense in his snot than Obama has in his whole being or will ever have!

He is in lock step with all the other candidates. Flip flopping on abortion, health care, the economy and the Bush era wars.

No wonder he is a republican pandering to the Tgaggers.

 Cain is not remotely serious about his campaign. He’s doing a Palin.  He’s all about trying to get paid $250,000 a speech and $8,000,000  per book after this little show rolls out of town.

At least this genius should have the simple abortion issue worked out ahead of time.

Sorry, but he has  a very tortuous ambiguous position on abortion, he seems to want to make abortion illegal, but will permit people to break the law, That is plain silly, but when his fans are mainly silly dimwits, that seems fine with them

Hello friends and fellow Citizens,

I am a bit confused on multiple fronts, so please help.
Pro-Choice – is that Family’s decision or just the WOMAN who is pregnant??? Please be sure what is the real debate, and help us understand what Family means in such decision making process that is real crucial for any life to survive.

Pro-Life: Never understood the debate on what is called LIFE, pre-birth vs. post-birth, pre-conception vs. when conceived, not be able to represent before Age 12 vs. otherwise,….hmmm! whose needs are we serving here and why?  Life is Life, whether to live or die is one’s own choice as long as its not hurting someone.  Now where is the hurt define please?  Do Parents get hurt, even emotionally?  Do Society gets hurt, really?  Lets stop this nonsense about mimicking GOD when ONE is not capable of knowing or controlling their own time to be conceived, rarely a well known reason for LIFE, and never sure of knowing when it terminates (naturally or willfully among other accidents).  Accidents may happen, hence there is scrutiny to make sure nothing that deviates from social responsibility and accountability for its values that standup and identify as ONE NATION.

Irrespective of Pro-Choice or Pro-Life or a combination in the middle, the QUESTION HERE IS VERY SIMPLE.  Whom do ONE among ALL like to be a FIRST FAMILY, for which they don’t want to live by example?  Why would there be any difference between personal family vs. general public family?  IF THERE IS, HOW CAPABLE ONE IS TO BE A PRESIDENT AND BE ABLE TO APPOINT ANY SUPREME JUSTICE?  Will there be a magic wand that changes ONE’s OWN personality after white washed in a house (WH)…Naa I don’t believe so.  So the choice is clear, and its purely based on the tounge in the middle and not the left or right hands that ONE may like to pull hairs of each other in that directions. 

GOOD LUCK TO US ALL, AS CITIZENS WE and ONE AMONG YOU CRY… for what we spend enormous amounts just to hold an election to elect WHOM?  Sounds lot like a mere waste in the name of exercising a right to vote, when it is not even clear whether the absence is due to inability to vote for whatever reason or mere abstained!!?!?!!

LOVE YOU ALL, and may ALL be blessed with right tools.

Respectfully yours.

Michael Kinsley  defined a gaffe as when a politician is caught accidentally speaking the truth.

See Cain on abortion, Gingrich on right-wing social engineering, Romney on illegals needing to get off his lawn when he’s running for office, Bachman believing that the HPV vaccine causes mental retardation, etc., etc., etc.

Say it ain’t so, Joe —

Herman Cain wouldn’t make a pimple on Samuel L. Jackson’s arse !!

Didja know that Samuel Jackson is one of Hollywood’s most prolific and wealthiest actors, having appeared in over 100 films !?? And he’s NOT a Republican, either !!