Once again, a conservative views science as an opinion that can be disagreed with.

Tomorrows headline:  Cain not able!

Actually, Cain’s views on these issues are inline with the black community in many cases who are socially conservative.

It looks like Cain’s view is Libertarian. So what’s the issue?

Finally! A social libertarian that’s not Ron Paul..

Next!

I like to see him actually explain what his plan is in the next debate.  

Right. “I am against X, but it isn’t my place to force my belief on you.”

This is what progressives cannot understand. Their ideas are so good that they have to be mandatory.

How do you think Cain will fair against Palin in the debates, Toilet?

Morgan was unimpressive: a choice to be black? C’mon…that’s the route you take on this?

Weak.

How about, ‘Did you choose to be straight? Did you wake up one day faced with the choice of boys or girls? Were those equal terms in your mind? And do you still feel that ‘choice’ today?”

Science? The animal kingdom is replete with examples.  

This is all American Idol. You won’t see a “Plan Debate” for awhile from any of the candidates.

Biology clearly shows that the newly conceived embryo is genetically complete, a unique new human being. Scientifically speaking, there is no doubt about when life begins. The big question is whether or not you recognize that new person’s right to not be killed.

Biology also shows a strong possibility that, at least in some cases, there is a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality, just as there is for alcoholism (though the evidence in the case of alcoholism is stronger.) There is some evidence that various temperaments – such as a tendency toward anxiety disorder or toward high-risk behavior – either have a genetic component or are determined during fetal development. Of course, whether we as individuals choose to act on our natural inclinations is another matter.

So he’s your front runner? hahahaha. hahaha. 

Science has never been absolute, it changes with each new bit of evidence. And are we talking about a repeatable test or a social cultural hypothesis of personal degrees?

Murdering an unborn infant, should always be illegal. The CHOICE comes before, not after. 

Still talking to me? Odd.

I think the same sorts of folks that were spellbound by Obama, are the same sort of the Folks that are spellbound by Cain…not because of color but just an overwhelming desire to absorb empty rhetoric. Much the same as the endless war right and the hard left communists are the same….Bush, Obama, Romney, Perry, Cain, Bachman, Huntsman, Santorum, Gingrich…..they’re all chumps, all plastic men, all devoid of a core philosophy to guide their decisions….All to keep the people fighting the pretend fight between left and right….I’ll stick with Ron Paul…I want America to be a force for good in the world.

Thread winner!

Not even a close comparison.  Obama could actually explain his policies when questioned….something Cain hasn’t been able to do.

As a white person who has worked in majority black communities for several years, I think you are mostly right.

If that’s true, however, why can’t the GOP seem to get black people (other than a tiny percentage) to trust them?

What makes that so hard for liberals to understand is Cain is a guy who has his beliefs but doesn’t believe in imposing his beliefs on others, as opposed to liberals who insist on imposing their beliefs on everyone.

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa Fatty! Nobody is talking to you. Ridiculing is more like it.

If by “explain his policies”, you mean “blame the failure of his policies on everyone else”, yes.

what a moronic assessment..  

you cons are all morons.. it’s amazing it’s 2011, almost 2012.. and so many of you morons exist..  sure am glad you’re all heaped into one party.

Beliefs like outlawing a woman’s right to choose? Or banning gay marriage?

I didn’t know liberals did that.

Homosexuality is a birth defect.  The choice to insert a penis into another man’s anus is a behavioral choice  and a perversion in every sense of the word.

HUH? Mandatory? No you have us confused with conservatives who want their views on religion, marriage and abortion forced on the rest of us. 

 And you wonder why we call conservatives idiots? Your comment is an example of why.

This whole statement is a joke, right?  

Quick side note to Piers Morgan:  Cain has never been an employed politician.

drink a nice tall glass of bleach, no one cares if you leave this world…

demacrats are uncle toms and jody in the worst way. Most of the blacks dont know it….

Mixing apples and oranges again? ;)

You add so much to this site.

A concept reactionary ideologues have not absorbed any better than than the ideologues on the left.

In your world view, would the repeal of the “unreasonable regulations” of Roe vs. Wade still allow women the freedom of choice to end a pregnancy under certain conditions, as decided by the individual states, or should the belief that the prohibition of abortion or contraception of any sort be enforced by federal law?

Except, of course, for this conservative, Herman Cain, who has just told us expressly that he does not want his views on religion, marriage, and abortion forced upon you. Cain should be your dream candidate, then.

Except, of course, for this conservative, Herman Cain, who has just told us expressly that he does not want his views on religion, marriage, and abortion forced upon you. Cain should be your dream candidate, then.

so here is a guy who says “if you are unemployed or not wealthy-it is your fault.”

so-he has made his money with cheap labor–and i would assume most of his employees are not wealthy–i then assume that he looks down on them since they obviously are not deserving and just lazy with no intitiative–he should have the courage to say so…
he also says race does not keep people back–then i also assume since blacks have highe unemployment and poverty—they must also me more lazy or more stupid…
i think he should have the courage to say so..

but i think it is disingenuous for a guy who got rich on cheap labor and fast food–
but hey–what do i know–i just want people to own up to their crap–
My people always made at least 2 times min wage–i would best Hebbie has few people getting more than min wage–and you cannot get rich making min wage~
another fat a$$ conservative hypocrite…

This is NOT the bone of contention at all.

If the issue is, When does life begin, the answer is -

best as we can figure out around 3.5 billion years ago, because that’s when the first most primal life forms showed up on this planet some of which we can trace to all the more complex life forms we’ve found alive or in fossil form, including us. Actually, you can make a pretty fair argument that since organic life on this planet only came about from chemistry derived from elements that came to this planet during the time it came about as condensation from nebulae, that would mean when the first nebulae appeared, so billions more years ago, and even before when the cosmic process happened 13.7 billion years back.

Informed, educated, non-ignorant, non-willfully blind people know all that. Yet those same people are overwhelmingly in favor of women’s right to choose. 

Look at this way: we know that when we eat meat we are eating at the expense of another life, the cow, the pig, the chicken, the egg. But if we extend that reasoning, we soon get to plants, living things, and their seeds, capable of giving rise to life. But if we respect all those like we expect to be respected by others, we starve, and die in agony. So, we eat, and live.

And so also, we make choices. The choice to inflict your will in this matter on another is an unreasonable imposition on them. Women are the vulnerable category here, and men should have no say: the right to do what you want with your own body, with your own life, including any potential other life in it, must be the subject of reasonable limits, so choices – and line-drawing.

You may not like where the line has been drawn. I certainly don’t. I doubt anyone really does. The single most castigated compromise majority opinion of the Supreme Court was the minimum line-drawing that does not unreasonably compromise the person saddled with the responsibility of bearing and thereafter raising that life. I hate it. I wish it had been drawn more in favor of the individual woman’s choice. 

But this is not about such canards as When life began. It began 13.7 billion years ago, or 3.5 billion years ago, and we each are merely it’s vessels.

censored of course, but in short, you’re an idiot.  I would tell you why but they’ll just block it from getting posted.

Wait until the moron Republicans figure out what he just said.

He disagrees with one of the top-three litmus-test issues of the Moron Party.

Herman Cain is rigidly pro-choice.

When you assume, you make an a$$ of yourself. As you’ve just so clearly illustrated…

When you assume, you make an a$$ of yourself. As you’ve just so clearly illustrated…

Cain believes that people should have the right to choose … just so long as they make the same choices that he would make.

REALLY disappointing response from Cain. That human life begins at conception is not mere opinion or “personal belief”. It is science. Unless you are a biological flat-earther. Grab any textbook on embryology. 

That one should have the right to kill such a human life (on the grounds of property or privacy, or anything other than immediate threat to own’s own life) is like saying, “I am personally opposed to slavery but I won’t force my personal belief on another. At most, it should be decided on the state level.” 
Utterly ridiculous, totally preposterous. 

The matter of whether or not homosexual desires are genetically hard-wired is entirely beside the point. Sociopathy or pedophilia, etc. may so likewise be hardwired. That is never and should never be the test of whether or not something ought to be accepted in society, or considered moral. It is the naturalistic fallacy. Much of what is moral runs against our natures. And each has different burdens to different degrees in this respect. 

You’re hilarious.

Actually, Rusty, you adorable simp, us conservatives favor LESS, not MORE, government. This is where your simplistic argument falls apart. We don’t want government dealing with social issues. Governments role is peace and public safety. That’s it. We don’t want our views forced on anyone. but we also don’t want views that run counter to our views forced on anyone either. Views shouldn’t be forced. Bottom line, the government needs to maintain safety, the roads, and the sewage systems. And that’s about it. We can handle the rest as a people. Apparently you need your hand held.

and how is that? so any person who makes a judgement or has an opinion is making an ass of themselves?
i think your comment is a little bloviated and nonsensical–

and of course–means nothing..
instead of being childish–feel free to prove me wrong.
it is easy to write silly crap–but it takes someone of a little substance to actually engage..regardless if it is something you do not agree with.
so i will again say—
heman cain -by saying that people who are not wealthy or working are at fault…
so i want to know what he thinks of blacks who are disproprtionately poor and unemployed and how he feels about the majory of his employees who i am sure are far from wealthy–but i bet work very hard..
i fee that is a fair question..
so–if you want to answer that instead of acting like a child–that would be great!

Nature, apparently, disagrees with you. The incidence of homosexuality in nature is incredibly wide-spread. Slime moulds come in 29 genders each with 8 variations. Many other species have more than 2 genders and many others have none, but just multiply without sex. So your position is ignorant of the facts, and if you retain it in defiance of the facts, then yours is a religious or political position, likely both. Always a bit awkward for the ‘liberty’ party, but there you are, all smug and dressed up in your ignorance.

Much desirable to you being our frontrunner. But at least you can run for “basement momma’s boy of the year”! you’ll win in a landslide

Wow. The fact that you can tie your shoes amazes me. Obama never offered anything but empty rhetoric, which ignorant college children ate up and voted for. We are living with that stupidity today. Cain actually has a record of success to look back upon. Obama had voted present on a couple of things, a couple of times. He never ran anything (as is ABUNDANTLY clear today). He’s an academic egghead moron. Book smart, but life dumb.

No, you’re unable to understand it. Don’t worry, it’s cute.

His logic is sound. It’s a FAMILY choice, not a GOVERNMENT choice. It’s a libertarian philosophy, not a Republican one, but I’m sure you knew that

That is not 2011 conservatism, that’s libertarian philosophy. Ask archetype conservatives DeMint or Santorum, you won’t find agreement with your description of conservatives there.

Actually, every species that has gone to homosexuality is extinct. It’s called reproduction.

Why are argue about nature and science? Go to wikipedia, read the entries, check out the links and references, go to a library, go to a book store, TAKE A CLASS FROM A SERIOUS SCHOOL.

This is the latest b.s. on why science can be ignored: because it is ‘never absolute’, and because we have the First Amendment, it’s all a matter of opinion. 

Look; pick up a book, hold it out in front of you, now drop it. What did you see? GRAVITY at work. Can you see that gravity thing? No. Do we understand everything about gravity? No. But we understand this much about it: each and every time you repeat that book experiment, the same thing will happen, ABSOLUTELY, and without fail. 

Science advances towards, but never reaches, absolute perfect factual knowledge. That’s materially different than saying since science never reaches that absolute perfection, science is not reliable, or science is not different from religion. 

How’s the experiment going? Here’s another: pray to Jesus for a pony. See any pony yet? It could take a while, so be patient – while your life wastes away. But you can always go back and do that book experiment, or anyone of thousands and thousands of experiments that prove science knows what it’s talking about when it says so, and knows also what it does not know, and where the line between is drawn.

There are hundreds of thousands of black who are successful in this country. Herman is just one of them. The race pimps, like Al Sharpton, have held down thousands of other blacks by telling them they dont need to do anything except blame the system. Those same race pimps attacked Bill Cosby for preaching responsibility. What Cain was saying is the truth: If you want to be successful in life, you need to go out there and get it. A handout culture is a dead culture. People need to achieve for themselves. If you expect handouts, your life is inherently flawed becuase that life is dependent on the largesse of others, which isn’t reliable. He was exactly right. You need to stop blaming others and start to focus on getting your life on track. It’s the most important thing you can do.

Uh … slavery. Discrimination. Oppression. Denigration. I’m just guessing here, but when the R party went to its “Southern Strategy” under Reagan, before he even got elected president, that cemented it.

Ask Cain: he’ll tell you, in one of his multiple-choice versions, even tho he mostly sat it out and tried to work Uncle Tom angle.

His view is anything you want it to be, which is the point of the Mediaite video clip.

actually arnie all species have forms of homosexuality, masterbation, multiple partners etc..
even humans used to have multiple marriages, underage marriages, selling of children for land in marriage..
if you look at the gop presidential candidates–these are the gayest straight people i have seen.
conservative men are more gay than gay liberals–the only manly folks with balls in the gop are the women..
so like most illinformed conservatives–you have no evidence to back up your nonsense..
ask yourself this–if marriage was so ‘Godly’–why was Jesus never married or with a woman?

oh ya–IT WAS SINFUL??
you people are so contradictory–it is not even funny~

No, wrong: progs have no difficulty understanding that, or accepting it. Univeral health care, for example, is just a smart choice, and you’re free to vote against it. But once the vote is taken and the thing is agreed to, then universal means universal. It’s not a matter of ‘belief’; it’s a matter of expression of choices through the democratic process based on the Constitution – that thing the right professes to love but always wants to change.

Actually, slavery was part of the Democratic party platform. But I’m sure you knew that and were just joking in your comment, yes?

Oh goody: wingers love fantasy arguments.

We are talking about Cain. Stay with me, captain

That’s known as projection. People who don’t follow politics call conservatives idiots because they don’t know what the flock they are talking about. It makes them feel better

Cain doesn’t want to tell people what to do, but he still holds onto his beliefs. Spoken like a true politician. These ‘wedge’ issues, especially social issues, don’t mean much, because we have bigger problems right now. The left wants so bad to turn this election into something other than a referendum on Obama’s record. Cain is right to try and duck and run here or cut it down the middle, because it’s a no-win. You either alienate some independents or you split your own base. Piers Morgan is well-trained in leftist media tactics, so it was inevitable that he would pull this out of his hat. Cain and other Republicans don’t need to fall for this ‘divide and conquer’ BS that Morgan is peddling here.

Left-Wingers promote science in their argument for Homosexuality, but then oppose science in their arguments against abortion. They obviously pick and choose what they like based on their bias, and then call everyone that disagrees with them an ‘ignorant flat-earther.’

When did he “explain” he was leaving gitmo open?
When did he “explain” he was continuing illegal wire taps?
When did he “explain” he was extending Bush tax cuts?
When did he “explain” he was going to police the world?

again–you did not answer my question..
so let me try again..
1. if race is not an issue in success and black have a higher chance of poverty and unemployment–and it is their fault as per cain–i just want to know what is wrong with black people–that is all..
2. if being unsuccessful and poor is something that is YOUR condition–then what does cain say about his empployees who work many hours for little pay? are they less deserving of a good life than he? should al of his employees leave and look for better work?

i just feel he should answer these questions..
and finally–if everyone can be wealthy–who is going to do the low paying work? how will we pay for 20.00 a gallon milk? 100.00 hamburgers?
how will that work?
are you saying all of these people working, building our country, making our food–they should be paid 100k a year?
should all of america stop working unless they get the pay they deserve?
or are wall street guys gambling with your 401k just better humans than the guys picking your fook 16 hours a day for a fraction of the salary?
please enlighten me…

 The right to kill your unborn isn’t a right, just flawed case law. Owning a gun is the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. Which one are libs for and against?

“Cain doesn’t want to tell people what to do, but he still holds onto his beliefs” You said “spoken like a true politician” I”m guessing sarcastically, but that is how our politicians SHOULD be speaking. Beliefs, on one end or the other, shouldn’t be forced. Our politicians need to focus on economics, geopolitics, and military matters. Social matters should be left to the home, or in the extreme, to the municipal level. Tat’s it.

@Arnie:
We are talking about Cain. Stay with me, captain

We are talking about your misunderstanding of Cain’s political philosophy.

Ya, except for the fact that never works. Nice slogan tho.

so you agree that these are bad policies right? or are they good?
please explain–is obama bad for doing conservative things or bad by not doing liberal?
please explain…

you cannot hate him for doing what you once praised–?!
well you guys actually can–but it just looks really stupid..
and for the record–many liberals do not support these things and we make it clear~
so again–do you support obama> because you just admitted he is making conservative policy..
you forgot cap and trade and health care are also conservative plans..

Your response to my statement of biological fact contained not one fact, citation, valid argument, or reference point. In  other words, your argument is invalid. In the words of Joe Pesci in “My Cousin Vinny”, I’m done with this guy. Who’s next?

actually Arnie you are a fucking idiot who should shove your tyrannical theocRAT bible down your fucking tyrannical theocRAT throat and choke it down with some Jesus Freak Juice until you choke to death because this world will be a better place without you. You are the reason why abortion must be legal. Too bad your mother didn’t have one when you father knocked her up. 

Shorter Herman Cain : Heads I win, tails you lose

We don’t care if you’re gay.

You clearly have no idea how many black Americans absolutely revile what Cain is doing. Or how obvious your astroturfing really is. 

I like RoPaul being there. But really: the man is an unrepentant bigot of the highest order, and he has the macroeconomic sophistication of a 12th century peasant. But I still like RoPaul being there, because he shows up the rest of them for being worse.

This clown can argue it flat or round. What a BS artist. Bigger shovel, Herman.

But don’t his views on abortion and same-sex marriage have an undeniable influence on deciding his Supreme Court nominees?

I am not saying he doesn’t have a right to appoint any qualified nominee he chooses. But it does undermine Mediate writer Alex Alvarez and his attempt to minimize Mr. Cain’s ultra social conservative positions.

For some reason I couldn’t “reply” to your comment, so I’m replying on mine.

1. Blacks are being exploited by the Democratic party, and other liberal organizations, who keep telling them that they are unable to get by on their own, and need handouts and legups to succeed. Generations of this message have a big effect. People like Cain are (admirably) encouraging this community to stand out and flex its muscles without pity-help.
2. Not everyone can be rich. This is an undeniable and unavoidable fact of life. But you can be successful without necessarily being rich. If they have a job, even a low paying one, they can build a nice life. Now, it won’t be as nice as a liberal actor’s life, but they will have shelter, food, and security.

As to the $20.00 gallon of milk: with less government regulation, and interference from the Fed, inflation would never raise to the point where milk was anywhere near 5 dollars, let alone 20. Regulation only hurts the poor.

LOL! Gawd, you’re a hypocrite. Hook, line and sinker. ;)

“actually Arnie you are a fucking idiot who should shove your tyrannical
theocRAT bible down your fucking tyrannical theocRAT throat and choke it
down with some Jesus Freak Juice until you choke to death because this
world will be a better place without you. You are the reason why
abortion must be legal. Too bad your mother didn’t have one when you
father knocked her up.”

Typical progressive…

demandequality is another poor sap who can’t make an argument based on any sort of intelligence, and instead feels the need to project abortion on others. Pity. And idiotic.

That’s a good question.
And, his views may guide his selections on supreme nominees (even though the SC is pretty young right now… so he may not even have any). This interview was important however, to me, in terms of him not trying to legislate, or pass through executive decree, like the current asshat, orders on the rest of us. Live and let live is much more desirable to me than “do this my way”.

Quick under correction to BWS – Cain has never been an ELECTED politician. He’s run lots of times, pretty much steadily for the last 20 some years. He’s even been appointed – oh wait: the older Bush appointed him to the KC Fed, so you’re actually even more wrong: he’s even been an officially appointed employed politician. I go further: it appears that Cain may very well have been employed, directly or indirectly, as a politician for longer than maybe anyone else on that stage. He’s a CAREER politician. Guys like that always get lots and lots of wingnut welfare with corporate America. Most recently he’s been a front man for the Koch bros – tho I expect when they get together, ain’t nobody callin’ no one no brother: the master-servant relationship tends to cramp that sort of familiarity. 

This, BTW, is a feature not a bug: Gingrich, Romney and Paul all had ‘real’ jobs at some point, to some extent still do. Plus I guess Huntsman, if you allow being a scion of a billionaire is a “job”.  

But each of Bachmann, Perry, Santorum and Cain have been career pols from the get-go. Bachmann keeps ranting about her “tax lawyer” status, but please: check out the reports. She was a low level functionary who never had any opinion giving or decision making authority, and stayed just as long and no longer than enough to determine she was going no where in that. Perry couldn’t even get into vet school. Santorum, zippo. Cain has wandered the corridors of glad-handing since probably the moment he had his Godrey Cambridge moment and realized he was black, yes, but there was a niche for the old-timey Uncle Tom role, since everyone figures now that was like a myth or something and anyway it’s all over and gone, yup, over and gone.

Meanwhile, each and every one of the Dem presidential hopefuls who started out in Iowa in 2008 was actually employed at some legitimate gainful employment at some point. Yes, mostly being lawyers, but that’s not unusual for elected officials, because it kind of helps to know the law and what justice looks like. Not always – Romney, for example; but mostly.

do you people even understand what you say?
you hate obama for everything he has done–that you praised before when done by conservartives..

you again never answered the question..
you just posted all of the conservative things that obama has done and that you and other conservatives supported…
so what is the problem..
i really want to know what liberal thing obama has done..
if you want to know why obamas policies have been slow?
BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO KILL CONSERVATIVE POLICIES…
you are mad at the guy for doing what YOU all claim HE SHOULD BE…
crazy man..you people are either really rotten assholes who are just trouble makers..
or you are completely insane–
really~

Cain is a lifetime politician…..

Mind telling the rest of us when the elections for the CEO of godfathers pizza are held?? 
It’s really sad you’re so mired in idiocy you lack the mental ability to grasp how truly dumb you really are.

SO where is Cindy Shehan camping right now?? Where are those glorious anti war protest burning odumo in effigy for his “war crimes” or the continued “war for oil” and let’s not for get HALIBURTON is still working in Iraq… Afganustan..

Oh wait…. I forgot THE NEW WARS ….Unganda… Lybia….

Do get back to us on how CONSISTANT liberals are while you EXPLAIN your massive idiocy !

“ liberals do not support these things and we make it clear”

As concrete…… Lead….. Iron…. Granate.. Yep….. REAL CLEAR!!

So science tells us with certainty when life begins, but every thing else is in some cases as you say.
I think you are using science to paint your own narrative.

So what does that make you tea bagger?

Says the liberal who’s side is often against vaccines, biotech foods, and medicine tested on lab animals etc. 

Gone, you just gave an example of a dumb reply. You didn’t refute anything. Typical.

you hate bush for everything obama has done… change)

More and more Cain is looking like a bigger BSer than Romney. lol

Dude! You’re such an angry verbose tranny!!!

When I read your drivel I imagine your voice sounding like the Nanny!

The  Tranny Nanny! NICE!

Keep the comedy coming!

Trying to simplify life is really nice but I’m afraid not everything is black and white.

You call it murder but not everyone else does, including me. It’s not any easy choice to make and adding the stigma of calling the mother a murder is just despicable. So screw you but I think you have the right to express your views.

What’s wrong with two guys have sex? That’s perverse? lol you sound like a bunch of old-fogeys. Plus, bi-sexuality is where it’s at.

Keep showing off that bitter hate filled inclusiveness, tollerence, and bigotry you love to keep lying about having commie!

Enjoy that putrid cesspool you live in KNOWING you live a pathetic life devoid of anything meaningful…..

Yes, Cain Cain!  Yes, Cain Can!  Herman Cain 2012.

Elect any candidate but Obomber (for the many wars), Obummer (for the failed economic policies)!

Yes, Cain Cain!  Yes, Cain Can!  Herman Cain 2012.

Elect any candidate but Obomber (for the many wars), Obummer (for the failed economic policies)!

Yes, Cain Cain!  Yes, Cain Can!  Herman Cain 2012.

Yes, Cain Cain!  Yes, Cain Can!  Herman Cain 2012.

There’s just one problem that I can see with your argument:  the people you’re addressing don’t believe in science, facts, or logic.

The problem is that science is not science. We all learned the scientific method in school. A true scientist forms a hypothesis and then endeavors to DISPROVE that hypothesis, since, we are taught, nothing can actually be proven. All we can hope for is to disprove one hypothesis after another until we narrow things down to the truth. When scientists stop using this method and seek to PROVE something for financial or political means, it ceases to be science and becomes what I like to call Science with a capital S. a.k.a. Big Science. A consensus among powerful, money-seeking “scientists” has no bearing on my life. It’s just the game they chose to play. When you read actual studies vs. the summaries put forth in their conclusions, you often find all-out fabrications, if not manipulations of the data to a political end. 

That’s why “conservatives” or what you really mean, religious people, don’t believe Science has all the answers. Not because we can’t know the truth, but because the truth has always been, throughout the ages, manipulated by those in power. But I don’t expect people who inherently trust a benevolent government to mistrust the scientific puppets it props up. You take the apple with the stem. 

Just don’t call someone ignorant for thinking for themselves, and not accepting some nebulous, paid-for “consensus” that has huge political or religious implications. Real science is not at war with religion. That’s something men made up.

You do know he’s just pandering to people gullible enough to believe he’s a social libertarian to get their vote, right?  After that it will be right back to the same old “ban everything we don’t believe in” right-wing fascist social agenda.

Except that many churches, including mine, continue to grow exponentially. Religion is not becoming less popular. Many people are coming to the idea of personal responsibility and living a good, decent life, whether that means the promise of a heaven later on or not. If more people acted as if there were a heaven, maybe the ideal society would be possible. Instead we have hyper-regulations of individuals financially and the message to “eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die” when it comes to social issues. We could very well die tomorrow, but we could also live for another couple decades, and the world sure would be a nicer place if people would live by the ten commandments rather than doing what feels good in the moment. But for my part, I keep my religion and let others do what they will. I wish anti-religion activists would do the same courtesy for me.

Love seeing Liberal Brainwashed Chanting Democrats implode! Cain 2012

CO2 is going to kill us all! It’s SCIENCE!!! High School physics!

Replicating Al Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment shows that his “high school physics” could never work as advertised

Now tell me about taxation.

Add one more to that, Arnie: The protection of liberty.

First, Roe v Wade is not a regulation. Second, in my countryview, abortion is not in the purview of the Federal government, it not being a power granted to the Federal government and thus left to the States to address, should it be addressed at all.

First you tell me that you have no difficulty understanding or accepting it, then you tell me why you don’t accept it. Interesting.

He’s the gift that keeps on giving. Like gonorrhea.

So, again you demonstrate your lack of understanding of what you just told me you understand and accept. Nice.

Where has there been solid evidence that homosexuality could possibly be a genetic trait?  There hasn’t, otherwise this would have been all over the news and there would be a rainbow parade celebrating these findings.  There’s no evidence that homosexuality could possibly be natural.

You don’t have to be religious to find it reprehensible. What do you call it when you end a human life as a matter of convenience?

You have no idea how many don’t.

Black people killed Prop 8. Explain that one.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html

Slime molds may have 29 genders each with eight variations, as you say (kind of like how the homosexual community has leathermen and Log Cabin Republicans, I guess), but slime molds have failed to become the dominant species on Earth. Is it connected to their polymorphous perversity? Some would say yes. God may be punishing the slime mold by leaving us in charge, and giving us Lysol.

I am against the slime-mold agenda and I certainly oppose anyone living with one.

Might want to check your fellow commie bigot’s posts from GrafX….

While some of you are much better at concealing your unbridled hatred of ANYONE who dares to leave your failed totalitarian plantation, those of us who are not fooled by your tripe and childish projection don’t buy your phoney claims of “speading awareness”… “tollerance”…. or “equal rights”

The Washington Post is reporting that “OBAMA IS STILL FLUSH WITH CASH FROM FINANCIAL SECTOR DESPITE FROSTY RELATIONS”.  Guess he was for OWS before he was against it?! Maybe a bit of a hypocrite, eh?!

Cain is being political. When he ran for office he changed back and forth with whatever way the political winds blew. He was Pro-choice, then he became pro-life with several exceptions, then with one exception.  Then when he went unchallenged on the stump just this last weekend, he claimed he was pro-life with no exceptions. 

In considering Nebraska run for office, decided against as he “was not ready to appease voters by taking stands on those issues.” then said “I am pro-life with exceptions, and people want you to be all or nothing”
http://politicalvine.com/news/newsview17514.html
 
Cain said he had determined that while he has very strong and distinct opinions about business-related matters, he is less clear-cut in his stances on social issues and was not ready to appease voters by taking stands on those issues.

“Too many people in the electorate are single-issue voters,” he commented, “and to try and cater to the single-issue voters and the single-issue pockets out there felt like I was compromising my beliefs. As an example, with the pro-life and pro-abortion debate, the most vocal people are on the ends. I am pro-life with exceptions, and people want you to be all or nothing.”   Nation’s Restaurant News

In his 2000 Presidential run, after dropping out Cain said he felt Bush was too conservative and not only endorsed his more Liberal opponent, but went to work for him against Bush.  He stated he was in the race to make political statements, not win the nomination.

Cain flogged his opponent in the 2004 GA Senate race for the same “exceptions” to abortion he had.  As a matter of fact, the Christian Conservative Organization endorsed the third Republican in the race over him due to his position on abortion and pro-life issues.  Even though he was losing the race, he stayed in it, causing the more Liberal to win the race over that third runner.   The final straw for voters was his anti-school vouchers, pro-affirmative action and Federal intervention in the workplace on behalf of blacks and minorities positions. He was also endorsed by Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Push Southeast Operations. He proudly displayed these on his Senate website.

In Stossel interview he flip flops from his position during 2004 senate race:
(Starting at 3:49 also look at numerous flip flops on abortion in just one answer Govt shouldn’t decide, people shouldn’t be free to abort, then it’s her choice he got booed then said he was prolife, then changed to abortion shouldn’t be legal) http://ipolitics360.com/Videos/HermanCainistheBiggestHypocriteinHistory-88NmTt1gF80.htm

Cain also, in this election refused to sign both the marriage and pro-life pledges.

Please look into your candidates. There is a lot more out there on Cain where he’s flip-flopped his positions on social issues.

I don’t know Arnie, Rex also thinks the “Southern Stragey” happened under Reagan.  I figure he is just a typical Lib and not a person who is trying to make a joke. 

That’s hot with the insertin’ and everything . . . damn you tea baggers are obsessed with sex. Do you now Michelle Bachmann’s husband?

Tell that to Galileo numbnuts.

What’s the connection to this article?

He tried but lost. Don’t tell anyone. Looks bad for the current campaign.

Please cite research that shows Libs are against vaccines? Yes many on our side are opposed to Large Corporate Agribusiness and animal testing BECAUSE of science – not because we oppose science you dunce from Duncevile.

Here’s the problem with conservative posters on THIS site: 

1. No Facts–you confuse your opinions and the opinions of your a.m. radio gurus with facts
2. A lack of critical thinking skills
3. Racial insensitivity if not out right racism
4. Homogeneity of opinion — many come from the same geographic regions and are not at all curious about the world or other people other than those in their immediate communities.
5. Who do they want to take America back from? other Americans who have defested them legitiamtely at the polls. We understand the code you racist bastards

I respect him for that, but is it what he says in the debates?

In response to Joe…..

Answer to question #1: Blacks have a higher chance of poverty and unemployment for a variety of reasons. They come from a higher percentage of single parent families, which has shown to provide less stability. It can be argued that many social policies cause this. Since they can always get a government check why have 2 parents? not saying this is the case for all blacks or minorities, but high percentage fall into this category. Also, I believe that Blacks and minorities are victimized. They are told all their their lives that the world is against them. They cannot do it on their own. If I was raised that way I would not have the motivation to make something of myself. (Now which group of people seem to always be telling minorities that they cannot succeed due to racism…..oh yeah, liberals and progressives)

Answer to Question @bacarr:disqus
2: Cain started out in low paying positions, like most of us do to gain experience. Cain just didn’t start working and become CEO. He learned the business, got promoted over time. He worked his way up. Cain is correct in saying that you CAN become wealthy. You CAN! Not everyone will. Not everyone has the motivation or the desire to take risks that may be necessary. Some people are more comfortable where they are. So yes, you CAN become wealthy, not all WILL. Cain was just making the statement that if he, as a black man, from a poor family can become CEO of a large company than anyone CAN. And they CAN. It is a matter of desire and willingness to work. To learn the business from the bottom up.

You really need understand how the world works….It is a shame that we have people in our society who feel they are entitled to something just because someone else has it. You have to work for it. Put your time in. Yes there are low paying jobs, but the point is to not stay in them, move up and give the next guy a shot a learning and gaining experience in the low level positions.

Maybe it wasn’t just blacks?
Huh? Maybe?

Sounds like Mr. Cain has his opinions but isn’t going to force them on anyone. Isn’t that this the “open minded” type you ‘progressives’ talk so much about? Or is it only those that can spout ‘liberal’ talking points that get to have that title?

Go with that. Cain 2012 all the way!

You’re so easy to ridicule. You were the kids who wouldn’t speak up in class because your views were so fucked up. You’re also the nerds that couldn;t get dates. Do we really need a GOP today? Not if we want to be globally competitive we don’t. You all are simply too stupid to aruge with.

Cain is answering as a true conservative.  Conservatives believe first and foremost that the Constitution limits the scope of the federal government.  Therefore, government, specifically federal government should have ZERO input on things like marriage, abortion, education, health insurance, etc. and therefore, a President or Congressman, or even Justice of the Supreme Court can hold whatever personal belief based on whatever religious or irreligious values and still not be capable of “mandating” that value or belief for the nation.

A true Conservative can believe homosexuality is a sin, that marriage, as laid out by the Creator God, is intended to be a life-long, exclusive, monogamous relationship between a man and a woman and the only relationship in which sex (homosexual or heterosexual) can occur without it being a sin, and yet still support the idea that what consenting adults do in privacy and with mutual consent is NOT the business of the federal government.  In fact, a Conservative can believe that since the federal government has seen fit to grant certain privileges to a male/female couple simply because they are married, that it then must provide the same privileges to any couple that enters into a similarly civilly binding contract.

Mr. Cain has provided the answers expected of a true CONSERVATIVE, not necessarily a Republican.

Religious bigotry. Very simple. 

Science may show that a conceived embryo is genetically complete but the question of whether that cell or clump of cells is a new person is not addressed by science. You are free to make that assessment for yourself.

People are free to act on their natural inclinations as long as they are not destructive to others. Nobody demonizes people for having a drink , or losing their temper. Homosexuals have been demonized and ostracized simply for being who they are because of false religious and cultural indoctrination. We can plainly see that having an addictive personality, and being an addict, can be dangerous and destructive for the individual and the people around them. The same with a violent temper. Homosexuality does not harm the individual or anyone else, including society, despite the lies spread by false religious belief. In fact we, as a society, idolize and celebrate romantic love in story and song, unless it’s the same gender and that love is physical as well as emotional.
It’s time to grow up.
I get to believe what I want when it comes to my religion, is losing ground as an acceptable justification as well it should. People who still think homosexuality is a choice , do so because they haven’t bothered to examine the evidence, not because it isn’t there.

How about LICENSING childbirth, and aborting all the unlicensed, pre-conscience babies?

These are the innocent children born to women who are either too incapable, unwilling or irresponsible to raise a child! 

How dare people have sex in any way that grosses you out. HOW DARE THEY!!!!

I’m thinking some hetro couples have sex that way as well, and do all kinds of things that would gross you out. They aren’t denied equal rights.

That has to be the starting point for any discussion with or about Teapublicans on gender and sex issues. They are, across the board, utterly obsessed with sex and sexual perversions. Sanitarium’s cyber nemesis recognized that, and although I disagree with what he has done, has struck a real chord with people. The psychology of why this subculture in America, political conservatism and sexual preoccupation even preoccupation with sexual deviance and depravity, is a fascinating study.

So evidently, in nature, only a small % is homosexual and life continues just fine.  What was your point again?

Thing is, even if everyone was gay your ignorant statement would still be false. Homosexuals still retain the desire to procreate and do.

Indeed, the historical approach by the Catholic church has been not that life begins at conception, but that life begins at the moment of quickening. That is deemed to be the time the soul inhabits that life, or more scientifically, the moment that the fetus is sustainable separate and apart from the mother. The answer has never been clear cut.

I’m afraid we have our own nuts as well. Perhaps not as shrill, strident and resolute, perhaps not as frightening, but nuts nonetheless.

Having seen the interview myself, I agree with YOUR depiction and summation of Cain’s reasoning.

In fact, there are so many obviously disingenuous narratives that the mainstream media fails to report on, such as this, that it certainly appear to be little more than a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.  

And, they never will. The definition of freedom to an ardent rightist involves not so much free thinking, but the absence of thinking, the ability not to be tied to facts when it serves one purpose.

That’s a very good point.

Thank you for this analysis.

I’m not a liberal. I’m a libertarian.

That’s no point at all.

Cain disagrees, but produces no evidence of his own. Just his opinion based on a story book.

Just don’t call someone ignorant for thinking for themselves, and not
accepting some nebulous, paid-for “consensus” that has huge political or
religious implications. Real science is not at war with religion.
That’s something men made up.

You are correct that research and results can be influenced by money, political pressure, or just ego for that matter. Scientists are people and people are flawed. The problem arises when you compare an ever increasing consensus of research and scientific opinion, to something that has zero objective evidence and is made up entirely of religious tradition.

It’s not exactly thinking for yourself to reject a pile of actual evidence {although not entirely conclusive} for what your parents or pastor taught you to believe.

I do completely agree that science ideally is not at war with religion if we see both as valuing and seeking the truth. Science should be one of the tools that religious people use to sift the truth from man made traditions, but a great many religious people have a real problem letting go of man made traditions and false teachings. They have no problem seeing that other religions have false teachings, but surely theirs are not. Ironic, isn’t it?

The Catholic Church has said emphatically that life begins at conception–not this moment of quickening thing. There are many references to this fact in the Bible, both in the Old and New Testaments.

Science may show that a conceived embryo is genetically complete but the
question of whether that cell or clump of cells is a new person is not
addressed by science. You are free to make that assessment for yourself.

Nonsense. It is undeniably a unique, nascent human being. It isn’t a puppy, nor is it a turnip.

Quickening is not the point of viability, Kook. You suck at being Catholic.

damn, youre an idiot…..nothing else need to be said

so TRUE conservatives are democrats….right????………..give me break wingnut…..you morons will say anything to insure youre on both sides of every issue

There are a limited amount of replies underneath an individual post. If you reply to an earlier comment by the same poster they should get it in their email if they are signed up to follow it that way.

I agree that personal responsibility, dedication, hard work, long term goals, etc are invaluable. I also agree that the Democratic party has used social programs to buy votes and helped create generational dependency. That said, I think there needs to be a better balance of programs intended to offer opportunity , while also insisting on some personal motivation. There also needs to be involvement by the community itself.

Concerning jobs, A lot of people would be perfectly okay with not being rich if the jobs available could actual sustain a decent life. There’s a problem not only with a lack of jobs but with the pay scale, compared to real life expenses. I used to work as a commissioned salesperson in major retail outlets. Nobody got rich doing that but you could make an acceptable living and have benefits. You could support a family modestly and contribute to society. Now almost all those jobs are gone and replaced by part time help getting paid a lower hourly wage. Middle class working Americans are being asked to make money go further and further as prices go up but wages do not and jobs disappear. Motivation is a great thing, but a lack of it is not the whole issue. 

I am a Bettleheim fan – I think culture and environment have a lot to do with things – coming from an Irish and German background, drink is inherent in the cultures and both groups use it as a way, poor way to combat stress. I think we have jumped too much on the genetic bandwagon.

the washington post is reporting??????……..nuff said…

hahahahaha and you wingnuts supporting THE BROTHA……aint gonna happen….stop faking

Actually,  “I am against X, but it isn’t my place to force my belief on you.” is contained within being pro choice. I believe Cain was deftly and perhaps sincerely, talking about abortion in extreme cases, rape, incest, health of the mother. Pro Choice extends that concept to all women rather than just the extremes.

What seems to have been avoided was more direct answers on exactly what laws he would support or not support. It may be your personal opinion, but does that mean you would support having abortions be legal and available for those families to choose? Does that mean in non extreme cases you would want abortions to be illegal?

Good point, as usual.

Human life should be protected.  Where or what stage that “life” is in is irrelevant.  Once a system becomes genetically human, it has all the information self contained to develop into an adult capable of reproduction.  However, this system takes a while to develop and early on must be sustained by the mother.  Later, after birth it must be sustained by other humans.  In both cases, the system isn’t capable of the level of self-sustainability that is required to live.  Yet we do not allow parents the right to choose after birth?  This notion seems inconsistent with the concept of choice.  Either you have the right to end another dependant life always, or you never do.

As for homosexuality, the argument that homosexuality is a reaction to genetic traits is once again irrelevant.  Many argue that they are born with certain biases towards alcoholism, incest, pedophilia, and other acts society deems reproachable.  Whether its true or not is irrelevant: you still have the choice whether or not to act upon those tendencies or biases.  That choice, so long as it doesn’t impose force upon others, should be protected.  

In both cases, we protect young people while they are developing.  We protect their right to live and we protect them from others who would forcibly or by coercion cause them to act in ways detrimental to their development or well-being.

No, it isn’t avoided. That’s the pro-choice part of the equation. That’s the “it isn’t my place to force my belief on you” thing.

No, it comes down to is, it’s not the government’s role — or anybody else’s role — to make that decision.

That’s it, right there.

Ah! Obama voters = religious bigots. I’ll have to remember that.

So the pill is abortion?

You fave a birth defect, I dont mean to insult but you just insluted a whole group of people. Who are you to judge anyone? What a putz!

I’m glad there’s finally a Republican that can say he’ll leave those issues (abortion and gay marriage) alone. The Republicans have needed this for a long time.

Ahh, the reasonable voice of Liberalism.  Thank you for participating.  It’s always so helpful to be able to give people the opportunity to see the obvious difference between a reasonable response and a Liberal one.

You, my friend, are woefully misinformed. As early as Augustine in the 5th Century, quickening or ensoulment was the applicable time. An abortion prior to this time of the gestation process was not considered murder nor was it prohibited by the Church. In the 12th Century, Innocent III confirmed this teaching. Briefly in the 16th Century, Sixtus V issued a Bull which first established conception as the applicable time. However, later in the 16th Century, Gregory XIV rescinded the Bull and issued a new Bull reverting to quickening. Quickening remained the Church’s position until 1917.

No science here people move on.  I often notice people quote “science” but can’t offer scientific proof.  If it isn’t a baby in the women’s womb than she doesn’t need an abortion.  Show me through the scientific method that people are born gay.  You can’t.  All you can do is spout that your side believes in “science”.  In years past you probable would have asserted that the sun revolves around the earth.

“It is undeniably a unique, nascent human being”

I didn’t contradict that. The key point here is it’s nascent quality. Is it a person with rights as the post I responded to suggested. That’s what science does not address.

Man is becoming extinct as a race…… LOL
BTW Which species became extinct because of homosexuality?……..LOL

No, Democrats want to be your Mommy and your Daddy. Conservatives expect you to take care of your own business.

It’s as if he’s trying to validate your proposal.

Agreed!

You, my friend, are woefully misinformed, too, or are a tremendous liar. Quickening, by canon law, was always the moment of ensoulment. The physical manifestation of ensoulment has varied over the years, from viability to simply the first movement in the womb. The latter is somewhat Scriptural (St. Luke’s account of Elizabeth telling Mary the child in her own womb leapt at Mary’s greeting. The leaping was a sign that Elizabeth had been filled with the Holy Spirit).    

How about if you don’t believe in fairy tales?

A little hate speak?

“you forgot cap and trade and health care are also conservative plans”

First of all, you have confused conservatives and Republicans….not all Republicans have been conservatives, ie Jim Demint vs Olympia Snowe.  Another thing, we all like candy bars but you will play heck trying to get me to eat a Payday.  You call them “conservative plans” but I suspect the ingredients in both plans would be starkly different than what Democrats had put forward.  Then, you would need to take into consideration that our economical circumstance would have been different during the time “conservatives” were toying with those plans. 

Continue with your simple minded talking points knowing that they are but….simple minded talking points.

Whether or not someone is “born” a homosexual is beside the point: what is irrefutable is the decision to engage in homosexual acts is definitely a choice, just as heterosexual sex is a choice. Many Christians believe homosexual sex is a sin and a perversion and a bad lifestyle, which judging from the preponderance of unhappy lesbians and gays seems to be correct. Christians don’t hate homosexuals, as Jesus and the Bible teach, Christians love homosexuals. They would be sinning themselves if they didn’t try to dissuade their fellow men to stop engaging in destructive and sinful behaviour. Christians would certainly be sinful if they supported laws which encourage homosexual behaviour like gay marriage laws or gay adoption laws. Leftists can’t understand this, because they hate their enemies and only wish the worst for them. So they ascribe their own hate to conservatives who simply deplore deviant sex and perversion and would wish their homosexual brothers and sisters a more positive lifestyle instead of the self-destructive cycle in which they live.

So much for Herman as a candidate for Pres or VP

I believe at that point he was talking only about abortion in extreme cases, rape or incest. Peirs had asked about it, and Cain commented that statistically that was a very small %, and it’s that small % that the government shouldn’t make the choice for.
Are you suggesting Cain is pro choice across the board? I’d be amazed if he felt that way, or had the courage to say so during the campaign.
Again, they talked about his personal opinions but the more relevant question is what laws he will or won’t  support.

There are far too many variables and permutations to comment here, as an essay would be more appropriate, however (you knew there had to be one) …

1.) Cain is correct: abortion is a personal issue, but should be left up to a woman and STATE law,
2.) As a professional in forensic examinations, sex offender counseling, etc., I must say that NO ONE knows from where or how homosexuality emerges and manifests itself. I prefer “emergent” behavior” i.e., nature PLUS nurture, but that’s just me. There is still NO physiological explanation.
3.) Re: “gay marriage” (since no such thing exists), Cain again defers to the State. There is no requirement that one State recognize another State’s sanctioning of such unions. The marriage of first cousins DOES cross all state lines however. Look for this to become an issue.
4.) Mr. Cain is correct in that some beliefs are held personally, but said beliefs need not trample on, nor contradict, the rights already granted to us by the Constitution.
5.) Recall the Democrat Michael Dukakis, POTUS wannabe, waffle re: the death penalty IF and when HIS wife were (God forbid) raped and murdered? The “tank commander” tanked.

Personally, I like Herman Cain, I just don’t believe that he’s intelligent enough to lead our country.
He’s not well-traveled OR well-read. He might make a decent V.P. if the the GOP POTUS needs a trustworthy  economic advisor.

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Who’s the moron here? You clearly didn’t understand a word he said.

And, that is your opinion, to which you are entitled. It is not necessarily scientific.

I happen to agree with your opinion. From conception and onward, I am opposed to abortion. I give time and money to efforts to prevent abortions. Even in cases of rape and incest. And, abortions are down. They tend to be down when we have Democratic administrations, largely because these Administrations tend to support contraception efforts and services and meaningful sex education that does not rely simply on abstinence.

Here’s the key, however. My view is informed by my faith and by the moral and ethical standards I draw from my faith. That faith calls me not only to decry abortion but to work to discourage it.

My faith does not call me to force a law prohibiting abortion nor to deny that choice to those most effected. Nor is there any efficacy in such a prohibition. Surely, the great fundamentalist Christian crusade resulting in the Prohibition of Alcohol taught us that. That worked out well, didn’t it. The Constitution always grants rights to individuals and limits the power of the government. And, let’s not make the next illogical argument that abortion is murder. The State sanctions all manner of murder, and it engages in murder, sometimes relentlessly.

In essence:

Abortion is a dreadful sin.
As a Christian, I am called not to sin, yet I do sin.
As a Christian, I am called to support other Christians in their walk with Christ not to sin. Yet, I am weak.
As a Catholic, I am called to discourage abortion. I do so.
As an American, I am called to uphold the Constitution.
The Constitution has been determined, whether you agree with it or not, to have a right of privacy emanating from the penumbra of the Bill of Rights. Again, whether you agree with it or not, that is the state of the law (much as the Supreme Court appointing W president was the state of the law, and I was bound to it).
That right of privacy is deemed to include at least a limited right to abortion.

No one at this site, no one is more opposed to abortion than I, yet no one is any more opposed to another prohibitory amendment to the Constitution.

Our author seems to believe there is some inherent conflict between being anti-abortion but pro-choice. There is not. The conflict is simply the small-minded being dictated to by ideological zealotry.

I can understand Cain’s position. It is a conservative position. An an ex Tea Partier I found out that they just want to micro manage the population just like the Left per their own view. They have religious values mixed up with conservatism, they are populists just like the Left but polar opposites. The constitution’s beauty is that it gave freedom of making your own choices even if your neighbor disagrees (as long as it is legal). I am pro-life but do not want do return to back ally abortions, I do not drink alcohol but don’t want Prohibition returned, I don’t like Gay Marriage but have no problem with some kind of legal union. Even God gave man free agency – his choice to sin or not to sin. If He had not there would be no need for Salvation or the Atonement. Conservatism has been hijacked by Populist. I am not a Cain supporter but I certaincy understand his position on these issues.

I can understand Cain’s position. It is a conservative position. An an ex Tea Partier I found out that they just want to micro manage the population just like the Left per their own view. They have religious values mixed up with conservatism, they are populists just like the Left but polar opposites. The constitution’s beauty is that it gave freedom of making your own choices even if your neighbor disagrees (as long as it is legal). I am pro-life but do not want do return to back ally abortions, I do not drink alcohol but don’t want Prohibition returned, I don’t like Gay Marriage but have no problem with some kind of legal union. Even God gave man free agency – his choice to sin or not to sin. If He had not there would be no need for Salvation or the Atonement. Conservatism has been hijacked by Populist. I am not a Cain supporter but I certaincy understand his position on these issues.

“Conservatism has been hijacked by Populist.”

Is there supposed to be a contradiction in there somewhere? We conservatives ARE the “populist”.
Remember the “Silent Majority” or the “Moral Majority”? They still vote too.
BTW …
How does one become “an ex Tea Partier”? Not enough emPHAsis on social issues?
Just Curious

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For the general election, his views are very consistent with the majority view.  While the majority of Americans are personally against abortion, the majority supports Roe v. wade.  Also, nice to see a conservative state his actual views rather than what the conservative primary voters support.   

Same with gay rights.  Most Americans support civil unions but still not gay marriage (unfortunately). 

…heya doc, I’m a liberal and I ain’t your enemy. If I am I was unaware until you said so.

Once again, I LOVE Herman Cain!  Many conservatives are personally anti-abortion, but see the reality that Roe v. Wade has to allow women to control their own body and make these decisions.  Being honest here will lose him some primary votes (except with Romney supporters), but will be supported by independents.    

I am a successful black man. There is no black leader that speaks for me or my peers. We have civil rights activists black and white . . . because of violations of civil rights that were codified into law for centuries (well into the 20th century). Bill Cossby remains one of the most respected leaders in our community. You don;t know shit about our community and you won’t learn shit about watching Fox News or listening to the garbage you get your opinions from. You are not a true American. You are an ugly American. Now run tell that . . .

I am a successful black man. There is no black leader that speaks for me or my peers. We have civil rights activists black and white . . . because of violations of civil rights that were codified into law for centuries (well into the 20th century). Bill Cossby remains one of the most respected leaders in our community. You don;t know shit about our community and you won’t learn shit about watching Fox News or listening to the garbage you get your opinions from. You are not a true American. You are an ugly American. Now run tell that . . .

1. I’m a woman.

2. I’m transcribing his responses to interview questions so that voters know where he stands, because I don’t think most Americans knew, exactly, how Cain felt about the government’s role in same-sex marriage and abortion. Since when is quoting someone directly and with context an attempt to minimize?

“what a moronic assessment..”

What a moronic retort 

Uh Oh…..The inpenetrable slime mold arguement.  Well…I guess there is no response to that one.  

If your a hot female and bi-sexual….I support you snowspot.

That fact that you think it’s a choice says a lot about you. You would actually be able to do it, but have chosen not to. Most guys would never be able to do it, not that there’s anything wrong with it.

“I am a successful black man.”

All 3 lies.

I don’t follow the logic of someone who believes that life begins at conception and yet thinks you have the right to choose whether or not you want to kill your kid. 

I don’t follow the logic of someone who believes that life begins at conception and yet thinks you have the right to choose whether or not you want to kill your kid. 

Your argument has a very serious flaw. Many of the lesbians and gays you say are so “unhappy” are that way precisely because of the bigotry and stupidity of churches. We live in a society where religion has way too much sway on public attitudes. If those archaic beliefs — which are grounded in thinking from centuries ago, before man even knew the earth revolved around the sun — changed, most gays and lesbians would feel much more comfortable about themselves and not suffer the narrow-mindedness and discrimination fostered by religious groups.

Is it natural to have sex with children then? 

What species has ‘gone to homosexuality’ to such an extent that the entire species went extinct?

I was shocked by what I heard from this GOP candidate, I could have sworn that once admitted to the GOP you were against abortion.  I applaud Cain for not letting his personal beliefs affect your freedoms.  Abortion is a choice up to a woman, there shouldn’t be anyone telling you that you cannot have one.  Besides, even if abortion was outlawed, it would still be done illegally and likely more dangerously. 

If you think it’s okay to do what I described under any circumstances, then you are truly lost.

It’s perfectly fine to insult explicitly bigoted people for being explicitly bigoted.

You guys always shout out that CO2 is harmless yet you never say anything about other pollutants in the atmosphere, like carcinogenic benzene.

LMAO–No the lit would be that you have a brain you longhorn lesbian.

While I largely agree with your analysis, you’d do best not to allow this bias your judgment.  If you’re to be truly skeptical of scientific conclusions, be skeptical because of the data or an issue with the methodology or, hell, even the underlying mechanism, don’t just write it off as being part of a ‘big money consensus’.  That’s just a convenient device used to seem ‘informed’ but really is nothing more than willful ignorance.  

He’s also confused. Big deal. So is everyone else. 
http://elovehate.com/Topics/People/GovernmentPeople/Republicans/HermanCain

It’s not that we don’t understand it, it’s just that so-called ‘libertarian’ Republicans appear to believe this in principle but not in practice.

Sounds like you are for another goverment program- Licensing Childbirth

It never ceases to amaze that the so-called small government right wingers have no trouble injecting government into one of the most personal and private decisions a woman can make. 

The professed right wing belief in small government actually translates into, “regulate everyone and everything that I don’t like, but leave me alone”.   That is not a commitment to small government.   That is nothing more than old fashioned hypocrisy. 

Conservatives’ beliefs are their own and they don’t expect the entire populace of the world to conform to those beliefs. Conformity is what drives liberals.

Actually as a president Cain would have to abide by the laws of our country which are PRO-DEATH.   The president doesn’t make the laws, does he?
I think Cain is still pro-life, but he is correct in saying that  its up to the family  BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IN OUR NATION, IT STILL IS..  Its legal..  and   CAIN cannot say to that family ((yet))  no, you cannot kill your child.

The black community is not conservative.   Totally Liberal…  If you vote democrat, that means you abide by their platform,  a platform of  PRO-DEATH…

These comments are missing the big picture. Cain said he is personally against abortion and homosexuality, however it is not his nor anyone else’s place to deny someone else their rights to either. I am also anti-abortion personally, as I would never want a child of mine to be aborted, but it’s not my place to tell others what to do.

It’s called freedom. Your freedom to choose. My freedom to choose. Anyone bashing Cain for his personal beliefs is displaying the discrimination that they are supposedly trying to stop. 

Your comments will be played back for you at your judgement.  I pray for your soul!

OOOOOOOOOOH! You get me so hot when you talk nasty!

Why would anyone choose to be gay? That is where it doesn’t pass the smell test for me. I don’t have concrete biological proof to present. But my gay friends have been gay since as long as they were curious about sex and coming out and telling people is an exceedingly difficult process. It’s like Romeo saying he loves Juliette but worse…and, yes, people do get killed for it.

So it’s natural for a man to put his penis in another man’s anus?  You and the 11+ people who with agree with you will be complicit in the downfall of America.  Congratulations!  You’ve finally accomplished something in your despicable, immoral existence.

Forgive them Lord, for the no not what they do.

Why not have sex with your dog and a 9 year old girl while you’re at it?

Without being snarky, tell me, what do you define as “perverse?”

I didn’t say they didn’t have the right to do it, I said it was perverse.  And I’ll add immoral to that as well.

You might have to Google “immoral” since I’m sure you have know clue what the definition is.

Show me exactly where, in this article or video, Cain said he wanted to interject into a woman’s right to choose. He said the exact opposite. Try listening next time instead of having a preconceived notion of what you think someone will say. It will help you make informed decisions.

You wrote that I “insluted a whole group of people.  They don’t need me, they’ve “insluted” them selves with their debauchery. 

Secondly, people judge people all the time.  They’re called judges.  Besides, I’m not judging, I’m assessing and accusing.  God is the judge.

Homosexuals can do what they want.  They have that right.  And I have the right to describe what they do and why it’s a perversion to the nth degree.  Not to mention immoral, a word you may be loosely familiar with, but I have my doubts.

The pill is one of the worst inventions ever.  It gave women an excuse to say yes instead of no, not until we’re married.

The Pill has contributed immensely to our culture’s degradation and eventual destruction.  The pill has done away with self-control.  All that’s left as a deterrent are STDs and it’s not working since 1 in 4 adults between 18 and 25 have one.  Good luck with those odds.

And yes, of course, abortion is murder. That’s irrefutable.

I also believe murder is rampant in nature and infanticide. Extreme examples, but your correlation does not disprove that the act is an immoral choice.

I think anything forced is perverse. Both a dog and a 9 year old cannot give consent, a dog because it’s not the same species, and a 9 year old because their bodies are not even prepared for sex and could not pro-create if they wanted to, so sex is not within their realm of understanding.

Perverse to me is people doing things they don’t want to, not sex toys or something. Who cares about people pleasuring each other? You should worry about people wanting to hurt each other. Sex addiction is a different thing but just because people want to explore their sexuality doesn’t put them on the same level as what you’re implying.

You seem to have a simple view of life but for some people that makes them happy, I wish you the best. 

Yes, GoneRouge, your own reply is a moronic assessment. 

Clearly Greg has his own “issues”.

No one comfortable with their own sexuality would obsess so much about the “perversions” of others.

Sad.

I hope he’s not married. 

This type of closeted, conflicted case often leaves damage in their wake. 

So you’re saying that Cain is not smart enough, or well-traveled or well read enough, to be president, but he’d be just fine as a ‘trustworthy economic advisor’? You don’t think much of economists, do you?

Personally, I agree with your assessment of Cain’s lack of abilities.  I also think that precludes him from holding any higher office than Pizzamaker-in-Chief.

You could easily prove it is a “choice” by choosing to engage in homosexual sex with another man just to prove your point.

Might I suggest Greg? 

Sorry SSDeez:  I couldn’t find the Main Comment window, so I’m just replying under yours, I hope you can forgive me…Thank you in advance.

Folks…RIGHT NOW, Tommy Thompson, Former Repub MN Gov, and Former BUSH HHS Secy, and NEW CEO of VERICHIP (yeah…makers of the “DIGITAL ANGEL,” the little rice-sized IMPLANTABLE RFID BEACON, (you can guess WHERE or WHERE(!!!))) is pushing for hospitals to IMPLANT his CHIP…into NEWBORN BABIES. 

Why? Well,…According to Tommy’s interview with CNBC-TV, back in April of 2011…he wants to “end the scourge of ‘nursery-napping’” with suggested overtures alluding to ending child kidnapping. He doesn’t want any more children’s faces on the Milk Cartons.

Well THAT Sounds great, don’t it?

Mr. Thompson is also, at least in politics, a pro-life proponent. No exceptions given, of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is threatened. Sounds pretty hard-charging righteous right, and something that Good God-Fearing Christians better support, isn’t it?

Now…couple this, with state-level efforts against Planned Parenthood, and abortion in general, with the intent of getting it thrown into SCOTUS to overturn Roe v. Wade…

And add in a Republican Majority in Congress, and perhaps the White House in 2013…

And add in the mounting pressure put on the Government to include “LABOR POTENTIAL” in any Collateral agreements with their DEBT ISSUANCES….and they don’t look like they’re gonna “pay down” anytime soon…..do they?

What kind of concocction do you think you’ll have, there, folks?

Ross Perot once talked about a “GIANT SUCKING SOUND” headed SOUTH….

You’ll have every pregnant woman a potential OUTLAW to chase, if they try to make a “run for the border” (and I don’t mean to get a 3-layer beef-and-bean burrito and a Pepsi to go!)

You think the illegal alien Mexican women dropping their “anchor babies” on THIS SIDE is a headache?  Wait until you see it go IN REVERSE!!!!

Wait, until you see Churches, hard-charging “for the life of the UNBORN” now…get shunned into Jails, when preaching about the “joys of being BARREN!” 

Oh….you’re going to be in for some REAL INTERESTING TIMES…..(heh heh heh heh heh…)

Bet now you’re wondering about the lessons “Prohibition” tried teaching you….

but….you got to go around that mountain again, don’t you?

the Lord once said, “Ye scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!  You’ll cross sea and land to make one proselyte, and when you do, you’ll make them twice as EVIL!”

There’s the very significant issue of adult consent.

Yes, Joe, that may be Cain’s view, but if Santorum, Bachman, Perry et al are correct, TRUE Conservatives believe that the Constitution DOES limit the scope of federal government, EXCEPT when it bumps up against their religious beliefs, in which case the government has the OBLIGATION to be the ‘moral’ police.  Separation of Church and State is fine, as long as it’s someone else’s Church.

The funny thing is you thinking your view of morality is valid above other peoples.

There are some basics, like not doing harm to others, that lots of people agree on but there’s also live and let live. I think irrational fear among the masses, and old false religious doctrine dominating people  is much more damaging to society than two people of the same gender loving each other and expressing it physically.

As much as I agree with the sentiment, I have to disagree on some particulars. *Some* conservatives don’t want their views represented in public life. These people tend to be libertarians or Sunday Christians. Others among us would like to see a radical rethinking of the way things have been run in the past several decades and a return to the fundamentals of the founders.

First I would like to see a revision of the first amendment reaffirming the Christian foundations of America.

I would support a federal ban on abortions in all cases except when the mother’s life is at stake. There should be a prison sentence of no less than 15 years for women who have an abortion and possible life sentence for the doctors.Likewise, I think it would be best to have states uphold a ban on immoral sexual behavior. That is we need to have adultery taken seriously and prosecuted as it used to be. This would also apply to sodomy and sexually active homosexuals which ought to be recriminalized.

Both of them are dangerous forces which stand to tear the fabric of society by eroding the foundations of the family unit as the most important force in civilization. As such I also oppose the attempt to redefine the family unit or otherwise teach tolerance of alternative lifestyles in schools.

I support the removal of compulsory teaching of evolution in schools, and support the right of parents to seek out privately funded alternative to the public school system, including education vouchers for those inclined to but who can’t always afford it.

I was fine with your “transcription” until you wrote the following:
“So, there you have it: Herman Cain is against abortion, personally, but is firmly pro-choice, as he believes the government should not intervene in social decisions. And that extends to same-sex marriage, by the way.”

I perceived that as an attempt to put lipstick on a pig (i.e., his extreme positions on abortion and gays). Herman Cain was clearly trying to nuance his way into having it both ways. What you saw as a positive position I saw as ambiguous circumlocution.

In that case, it’s a matter of an interpretation of my intent rather than my actual intent.

Herman Cain has more Common Sense in his Snot, than Obama or any of his staff has in their whole being!  I pray this man becomes President.  Those of you say, he has no experience, well, what kind of experience did worthless Obama have?  None?  How much Common Sense does Obama have – None!  I will be Raising Cain in 2012!

HERMAN CAIN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012!

From the conservative website Hot Air

“This isn’t the first time Cain has seemed to contradict himself on the abortion issue. In an interview with John Stossel earlier this month, Cain circled around and around Stossel’s frank questions, defaulting to stock phrases like “I’m pro-life” and “life begins at conception” — but also “that’s her choice.” When Stossel asked him if abortion should be legal, though, he flat-out said “no.” That suggests that, in general at least, he does think it’s the government’s role to “make that decision.”

If you put all the pieces together, at best it seems Cain believes abortion is wrong “in all cases,” should be illegal in most cases and should be a choice in some cases. Doesn’t exactly seem like freedom to me.

Bigotry and willful ignorance can be immoral. Clinging to the traditions of men over the truth that is able to free us, might be a sin as well.  Seems to me the scribes and pharisees found a lot of what Jesus and his followers did to be immoral because it broke long standing religious tradition.

Religion has grown up along with mankind in general. Christians used to defend slavery and segregation , and decry interracial sex and marriage as against nature and God’s will. Eventually they will have to grow out of this bit of bigotry as well as the truth becomes more and more apparent. You’re free to fight it every step of the way and still pretend you’re righteous in doing so.

I  respect your point of view. I totally disagree with it but still respect it. It is what you believe.
As I am free to believe what I wish. I feel a lot more free since I broke away from organized religion.I have a free and open mind. I know I do not have all the answers. There are too manyin this world that think they do. They don’t! This is the cause of all wars and most human inflicted suffering.

BTW -I am not here to change anyones mind about anything!
 I am here posting to ease my own mind about everything! 

I think Mr. Cain has learned a painful lesson in the last 24 hours.

After the Nevada GOP debate he was criticized by some within his own party for trying to hide behind a fabricated “apples and oranges” argument to deny that Nevada voters would pay 9% on top of their state taxes as part of his 9-9-9 plan.

Now today he is being blasted on several conservative websites for his ambiguous argument about whether abortion should be legal.

The aforementioned painful lesson is that your precepts, quotes and assertions in the ugly world of politics is far more subject to second guessing and criticism than when you’re announcing a new policy (or defending an existing one) as the CEO of a pizza company.

He’s a smart man. I have little doubt that he will learn from this. But is the damage already done?

Is pedophilia genetic or a choice?

People do choose to be gay if you regard lesbianism as gay, which of course it is. Many girls and women become bi-sexual or fully lesbian because it’s trendy. 

It’s hilarious how much you think god cares about what people do with penises, anuses, and vaginas. The bible mentions gay sex (note: not homosexuality; which is more the just what two men do with their penises and anuses) about 5 times. Whereas the bible mentions ethic finance practices around 250 times. If youre to believe in something, maybe you should learn about it also.

Cons and their fake wedge issues. 99.5% of them rush their daughter to the abortion clinic as soon as they find out about pregnancy with a loser

Do you keep us with the facts as presented by science, or mearly speculate what they know?

Who are these people that ‘fabricate’ science thats shows homosexuality is, at least in part, genetic? Who pays them, those big money gay political organizations that dont exist? If scientist want to skew data to make money they where to look, religion. Period.

Thanks.

I appreciate you explaining your position.

I watched the movie that was produced by an abortionist……who DID ABORTIONS till the ULTRASOUND convinced him with out a doubt it was MURDER….the silent scream….google it…..
   Abby Johnson who was working and director at a Planned Parenthood, had to ASSIST in a ULTRASOUND ABORITON, AND THE prob she was holding showed the ‘blob of cells’ STOP ….DEAD…..and she quite planned parenthood….and say they use LOW doses of the pill to GET wome pregnant…..CUZ the $$$$ is more when they can ‘get rid of the cells>”"”"and soul…OUR/YOUR taxes pay planned parent hood $63 MILLION of our dollars to kill……it would be better helping vets, elders, and teachers….how about them roads?????  ‘for the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.’…….THE SILENT SCREAM………UNPLANNED BY ABBY JOHNSON

Well, of course he’s anti-abortion. Name one person who’s pro-abortion. Even the pro-choice side is in favor of “legal, safe, and rare”.

As a radical lefty who is in favor of all of the above, and can point you to other lefties also in favor of the above, I say [citation needed].

As a radical lefty who is in favor of all of the above, and can point you to other lefties also in favor of the above, I say “[citation needed]“.

Actually, I believe Perry has stated that he personally opposes gay marriage and that it should be left up to individual states per the 10th Amendment to decide whether they will allow such civil unions. 

But the issue being discussed here is Mr. Cain’s response and the attempt to make it seem like he’s confused or fence-sitting.

 ”done away with self-control.”

Ironic, considering the diarrhea that is uncontrollably dripping from your mouth.

At that point it is basically a parasite; it cannot breath, eat, or survive on its own.  Glad you used the word nascent, because the key to that definition is “potential”/”not yet fully realized”, in that case all boys are men, all puppies are dogs, all impulses are actions, all cows are food, hell, all cows are shit, right, because the of the potential, right?

What issues?  You put your erect penis in a body cavity where excrement comes out you are an immorral disgusting pervert.  That’s self-evident. 

If you can’t see that then saying YOU have issues is putting it mildly.

Wow, you’re so original and witty.  I can’t compete.

Forget the religious part of both the abortion and the sexuality argument.  Try the scientific and biological route with a little common sense thrown in for good measure.  That works just as well.

BTW, how’s your tent holding up down at OWS?

Wow so clever and witty.  I’m sure Jon Stewart is looking over his shoulder.

Thank you, Michael! 

“What issues?  You put your erect penis in a body cavity where excrement
comes out you are an immorral disgusting pervert.  That’s self-evident. ”

Interesting, because urine comes one the front end.

“Wow so clever and witty.  I’m sure Jon Stewart is looking over his shoulder.”
Seems to be your regular response… clever, witty and original, indeed.

Well once I could figure out what- Do you keep us with the facts is about I could answer your post

No, a conservative views the bible as the word of God.  God said homosexuality is an abomination and a man shouldn’t lay with a man.  God is not going to create something he said is an abomination, so therefore they’re not born that way.  Now the devil will put deceitful lust and feelings to make one feel that’s the case.   But the bible says to resist the devil and he’ll flee.  
There are cases where someone is truly born with a mix-up in hormones or deformity in private parts where it might be considered to not be by decision.  Just as any other birth defect.  But the majority of homosexuals made a choice based on feelings that are are of an un-natural lust for same sex.  God loves them and can deliver from that but society is making it o.k. now.  Look up how “in the last days it will be like the days of Sodom and Gomorrah” and see what you find.  
Also, the bible speaks against killing, as with abortions.  God knew them before they were conceived so they’re a person at the time of conception.  God blew breath into all.  
God disagrees with it.  Good…..God is a conservative.  I’m on the right side then.  :) 
 

After you made your first comment I knew you couldn’t compete, but thanks for confirming,

For those of you who use the “extinct” argument
http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html

Mutations can make flies change sexuality preferences
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071210094541.htm

biologist explains how it happens… (but you’d have to actually understand evolution)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCAllQgS0

changing mice too, from fox news no less…
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/15/have-scientists-found-gay-gene/

finally, the psychology of (nurture is nature)
http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html

Greg, Milesbenovic is right…..the bible does talk about homosexuality.  It says it’s an abomination!  It says that in these last days it will be like Sodom and Gomorrah….men will be laying with men, etc.  And we know what eventually happened to Sodom and Gomorrah.  The devil is leading so many people into perversion and sin.  And you’re right…they know not what they do.  If they did they’d be terrified.  So we can only pray their eyes are opened.  God is merciful and he loves us all.  And he forgives all who repents and will deliver those who ask.  

I just listened to Herman Cain and read also his site on this issue of abortion. Forget it folks, he is totally pro-life with no reservations and also stated something very correct, the President can’t force anything on anyone relating to such issues as this. It is not up to the President to “force” a thing which he can’t do at all anyway. So, that was all he said. NO President can make law!  Congress has to do that. He – Herman Cain then is pro-life and all know and will know and that means he would support and sign any bill coming to his desk if Congress sent it up. that is all he could do folks. So what is the enemy trying to do – mix up folks on this. Listen don’t listen to the kooks out there that can’t read or hear words when spoken and come away telling the truth. Herman Cain is going to win the Republican race and the beat the you know what out of Obama so much so there will be nothing but “dust” flying and you can’t see Obama as he leaves the White House running!!

You have to be a little careful about how strictly you define life at conception. Many fertilized eggs just don’t implant. After implantation and a period of pregnancy awareness, 1 in 6 known pregnancies ends in miscarriage. There are a wide array of issues even out of the 1st trimester, when most disordered embryos are shed, that can still end in miscarriage or spontaneous abortion (aka, stillbirth). If you’re too strict about what “life” means and, therefore, where punishment should occur, then you are ignoring the facts of biology. It is not a unique human being until it is viable–until it is born, it is still undeveloped, a human in potentia only. Not all are genetically complete, either, as you can see by the large number of genetic diseases that can still result in live births. Knowing the bare bones science is one thing. Knowing the actual risks involved in pregnancy is another.

Because I could not reply to The Real Royal Emperor…
The leaping was a sign the Elizabeth’s child, in the womb, new that Mary was there.  This Child became John the Baptist. He knew, while still in the womb, that Mary, the soon to be mother of Jesus, was present.This is evidence that individual life begins before birth.  It does not show when the embryo becomes a person.

As many photos and videos are available of their antisemitism it’s pretty obvious to EVERYONE else, granted commies are pretty delusional so they lack the brains to notice.

Herman Cain? or you?

All wars are not caused by people who think they know all the answers, many are caused by greed, others by a desire to divert attention away from the guilty.  There are lots of causes of war.

Neither is healhtcare but the commie morons just cant quite figure that one out…..

You are full of hate and disgust for people other than your race. You are the one with A problem.

I hope you get your wish!!!!

Come on you love birds . Break it up.

I would love to see a Cain Obama match up. Cain would probably lose every state.

Yeah…. The SLAVERY the Demorcats refused to give up on by starting the kkk, the OPPRESSION of  Franklin Rosevelts interment of japanese, The denigration of democrats Jim Crow and robert bird or maybe you meant the SEGRAGATION started by Democrat Woodrow Wilson…..

Sure thing cluless commie, keep the lie alive……

Rednecks with Cain Bumper stickers on their pick ups and Cain for president signs on their lawn.
HA HA HA HA

It is the Paper that broke Watergate!

Lost our votes!

Reading this list of “comments” I noticed not one single constructive or intelligent statement in the entire collection.   What a waste of bandwidth.       Herman Cain is absolutely right ….. Abortion, sexual preferences,  religious affiliations and most other personal matters are NO PROPER BUSINESS of the federal government.    His personal opinions and preferences are just that.  PERSONAL and should not be the subject of debate about his ability to perform the job of president.    His own statement that he doesn’t intend to allow his personal opinions to interfere with his leadership of this country is probably the best indication that he intends to keep the federal government out of citizens private lives.   What a wonderful attitude.   It gives me the impression that he actually has read and understands the constitution and the principles of a free society.   He’s got my vote right there.    ‘
    It’s a sad commentary on the state of education in our country that so many comments are devoted to calling each other names and nobody seems to have given any thought to the real issues.    Sadly,  it appears that the description of “morons” is an accurate assessment.

What’s more perverse, Mr. Bible Freak? The people of Sodom wanting to buttf**k the angels, or Lot willingly offering his daughters instead? What’s more sick? The homosexuality or the misogyny? What about the teachings that a man’s adultery is barely punished but a woman adulterer must be stoned to death? Let’s talk about your precious bible..

A crippling, stagnant economy, high unemployment, national defense issues and the best topics the bible-hugging, jesus freak republicans can bring to the table are “Can two consenting adults of the same get married?” and “Is swallowing a load considered murder?”. They might be skeptical about evolution because they’re experiencing de-evolution themselves..

When did I mention the Bible in the comment you responded too?

Boy you’re angry.  You should put some ice on that.

BTW, name calling is a sure sign that you’re not capable of making an effective argument to bolster your position.

Checkmate!  Play again?

What makes you take that book more literally than other books?

Also, tell us all, in Jesus’s words, why homosexuality is a sin.

A fertilized egg is not a person.

Politicians who double talk are not fit for office. If they truly believe that abortion IS a sin… and a modern day Holocaust that… then they need to do something about it… and FERVENTLY go about changing the laws to stop these mass murders of INNOCENT CHILDREN. And if they strongly believe that homosexuality is a sin as is clearly written in the Scriptures (as in 1 Corinthians 6:9&10 and many other places in the Bible) then they should FERVENTLY try to change the laws keeping marriage STILL between a man and a women. God created Adam and Even… not adam and steve. 

Folks don’t fall for this bologne about there being a homosexual gene… they have NEVER found such a thing… it is not a homosexual gene it is an absent father or a father who was never there for their son. They pick up the traits of the mother instead and later on in life look to have relationships with other men … BECAUSE of the missed relationship with their Father. Most men do not fall into this even if their Father abandoned them… but some do. They begin to pervert what proper love is between two men… and pervert bonding to go further than it should into homosexual acts. Thsre are wonderful Christian ministries out there to help these young men come out of homosexuality…. and Christian ministries to help young women go through their pregnanacy where they help them with everything they will need… even doctor bills, diapers, food, baby clothes (even a place to live if they have no where to go)… there is no reason under the sun that a women needs to murder her own child, if she decides later she doesn’t want the child she can put the child up for adoption… these Christian ministries even help her with that.  Folks lets us stand for God’s Truth… and His Truth is LIFE! God IS Pro-life. And Jesus IS the Way, the Truth and the Life.  

America let us all start turning from our sins! Repent for the Kingdom of God IS NEAR! And I say this out of love, conviction and a Holy Reverence for our Holy God! 

America BLESS God!

Love,
Carol Dickinson

you should have your mouth washed out with soap

” Secondly, people judge people all the time.  They’re called judges. 
Besides, I’m not judging, I’m assessing and accusing.  God is the judge. ”

I’m assuming you were referring to the bible god. Your brand of narrow-mindedness is exclusive to the religious types.You’re probably also ‘skeptical’ about evolution, but you have no issue with the great flood story. I’d bet money that you believe the human female came from a single male bone.

Your move, bible freak

Keep obfuscating.

That is YOUR opinion

Could you please connect the dots between homosexuals and pedophiles for us? Because if you look at statistics, pedophiles are STRAIGHT MEN

You, sir are perverse, ignorant, judgmental, and how dare you attempt to quote the Bible here, when clearly, you do not follow the teachings of Christ.

Who are you to say what is or what is not moral? From what I’ve read of your postings, you are an evil little troll and have no business posting your hatred.

“The inalienable right to life possessed by every human being is present from the moment of initial formation, and all human beings shall be entitled to the equal protection of persons under the law.”  Learn more by downloading the free Personhood Booklet at: http://www.personhoodinitiative.com/about-personhood.html

“Keep obfuscating.” is the debate equivalent of knocking your king over, but I love beating the proverbial dead horse. Since we have established you believe in the bible, we’ll just stay in the book of Genesis. Where is your (or god’s) moral repulsion at Lot’s daughters for inebriating their father and having sex with him? Surely, a punishment equal or worse than the Sodom/Gomorrah should’ve followed. Nothing happened to them.

More on the biblical condoning of incest:

Abraham marries his half-sister; Sarai[Gen.20:11,12]  Abraham’s brother, Nahor, marries their niece; Milcah [Gen.11:27-29]  Isaac marries Rebekah his first cousin, once removed;[Gen.27:42,43;29:10]  Jacob marries two sisters who are his first cousins [Gen.29:10,Ch.29]  and Moses’s parents are nephew and aunt (father’s sister).[Exod.6:20]  

Not to mention polygamy which was sanctioned and openly paraded by kings David and Solomon.

WHATS THAT ABOUT MORALITY, BIBLE FREAK?

Homosexuality doesn’t line up Biblically or through Evolution. Take three islands one with gay men, one with gay women and one with heterosexuals. Four generations later, there is only one occupied island. When a dead body is found they can tell Gender, race and even come close to age, the one thing they will never be able to tell is sexual preference. To those that think that your sexual preference is genetic, why do some have relationships with the other sex for years and then go into a same sex relation or why others have same sex realations and then go to opposite sex relations.

If you think otherwise, then your moral compass is broken.  It’s self-evident.

They are both narcissists and perverted in their thinking and behavior.  It’s their actions are self-evidently immoral.

Explain, without knee-jerk ad-hominem attacks, where I quoted the Bible and why what I stated is inaccurate both biologically and biblically.

So you’re a moral relativist?  You can do anything to anyone for any reason at any time and it’s okay because your moral code is your own.  Good luck with that.

The use of the word “evil” has religious roots.  My guess is you are a Satinist.  I don’t see the troll aspect of my postings.  Might want to look that one up.

When did I ever indicate I was a “Bible Freak.”  Everyone knows the Old Testament is like a raunchy soap opera in many places.  No big “revelation” there.

I don’t need religion to state the obvious.  If you wand to have anal sex with another man, then there’s something wrong with you.  It’s self-evident.  It’s like, duh!  Of course it’s sick and any other synonym you can come up with for depraved.  Where’s the argument?  If you can make one then you can make the argument for having “sex” with anyone or anything at any time.  Is that where you’re going with this?

Good to know you’re reading your Bible though.  Way to annotate.

You want truths, start here: http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/1?lang=eng

rofl now here is a man who REALLY will never get the nomination :P

in response to another’s post below (which did not have a “reply” button), entire populations have indeed gone extinct over homosexuality.  The very term, “Sodomy” comes from the most famous example of a population of a species going extinct, the five cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.  Because the Sodomites practiced “sodomy” and other sexual perversions with great alocrity, God destroyed that city and the surrounding cities (except for Zoar) that were involved in those practices with “fire from heaven” perhaps using an exploded sulphurous meteorite that collided with our atmosphere above the valley of Siddim where the cities were located by the Dead Sea.

I don’t think you know what the word ‘extinct’ means.

What’s not to like? Cain’s incredibly honest and clearly does’t give a flip what others think about him. As he is fond of quoting his grandfather, “I does not care.’

I like you religious types give yourselves the liberty to rule out passages, or in your case, entire sections of your “holy” books. “I believe it is all the unadulterated, flawless word of God, except the Old Testament that shit is retarded”

How convenient. Except… Jesus himself says all of the old testament is valid:

“Anyone who breaks one of these commandments and teaches others to
do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever
practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the
kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness
surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will
certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.” (John 5:1 NIV)Let’s start by justifying the God-approved incest and polygamy and then we’ll move on to men buttfucking each other.
“Anyone who breaks one of these commandments and teaches others to

do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever

practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the

kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness

surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will

certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.” (John 5:1 NIV)

Let’s start by justifying the God-approved incest and polygamy and then we’ll move on to men buttfucking each other.

learn to speak English and not gibberish.

My analysis of Herman Cain’s confusing comments in regards to his pro-life position is now available on the Personhood Initiative website along with video clips of Mr. Cain’s statements. http://www.personhoodinitiative.com/herman-cain.html

It’s not like a cluster of cells could ever make something practical out of itself. Some of the most depraved people the planet has ever known began as tufts of cells, and feti even. Gung-ho aborters are doing the planet a favor. They could be removing the next Ghengis Khan.

If unadventurous conservatives are going to undercut a Woman’s Right to Choose by saving the lives of blameworthy feti, then we have an obligation to do the converse to guard that right. We must insist on capital punishment for all blameless teens!

My My My yet another “the world is flat and everybody has to agree with me or they are Evil” Neanderthal and his 31 followers Proudly Parading   Backwards in a Procession  of Inanity , What sight to see

As Elvis would say, “thank you, thank you very much.”

CHRIS HOLLY “The Times They are a-Changin 2012″ video features Herman Cain, Gov Perry, Rep Bachmann, Gov Jon Huntsman. please SHARE make a difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AokBQwrn6u0

On Abortion: “I have come to understand that Herman Cain has in reality done far more for the pro-life movement than I ever have. For instance, he donated $1 million of his own money in an attempt to encourage black voters to vote pro-life. His 2004 Senate campaign made life a central issue.  His work opposing abortion – especially among the black population – has led many leftist organizations to denounce him with hysterical, shrieking screeds; which is probative evidence of the fact that they were to some degree effective.”
See more at source:
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/10/21/a-mea-culpa-on-herman-cain-and-abortion/

On Abortion: “I have come to understand that Herman Cain has in reality done far more for the pro-life movement than I ever have. For instance, he donated $1 million of his own money in an attempt to encourage black voters to vote pro-life. His 2004 Senate campaign made life a central issue.  His work opposing abortion – especially among the black population – has led many leftist organizations to denounce him with hysterical, shrieking screeds; which is probative evidence of the fact that they were to some degree effective.”
See more at source:
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/10/21/a-mea-culpa-on-herman-cain-and-abortion/

For the true believer in “small government” , the President’s views need not have much impact on the states anyway!

 ”learn to speak English and not gibberish.”

You seem to be quick to jump on the ad-hominem that you condemn.  Everything I said was pretty clear.  Since you can’t refute what I said you resort to attacks.

Actually it wasn’t clear, unless you went back and edited it after your initial send.  What I read was nonsensical, in that I couldn’t understand it.

Please resend what you said(embellish it if you like) and I’ll be happy to debate it on the merits.  I apologize if it came off as an attack.

BTW, I just searched my delete folder and couldn’t even find a response from you.  Did you change your handle or are you responding for someone else?

 It was a response to your comment to someone else saying “…in a body cavity where excrement
comes out you are an immorral [sic]
disgusting pervert.”

To which I said “Interesting, because urine comes one [sic] the front end.” in which I meant “out the front end.”

So, I am not sure how the logic follows because the argument you use can also be used on the “appropriate” front ends.

See my post above with scientific research links.  The argument that any behavior is not “natural” is a complete farce.  We are born of nature, thus everything we do is natural, and that includes horrible things such as murder and rape.

It is a question of whether or not it is “good” or “bad” for the overall livelihood of humanity, which is why we have come to a consensus that murder is bad, murder of humans specifically, outside war, etc, animals are ok apparently as are plants etc.  Things get complicated very quickly.

To say it is unnatural is a gross misunderstanding.  The jury is out, clearly, on whether or not homosexuality or abortion is “bad” for our livelihood.

So, I am not sure how the logic follows because the argument you use can also be used on the “appropriate” front ends.

I don’t know what that means, “front ends?”  Are you trying to be delicate?

This is silly.  You know my position on homosexuality if you read through this thread.  I assume you disagree.  Let’s leave it at that unless you want to ask me a question or attempt, more clearly, to make a point.

Have at it!

 Oh come on.  Like you don’t know what I mean?  Two people liked my comment, so clearly they understood.

Your logic of saying that putting a penis in a hole that excrement comes out, yet ignoring the fact that urine comes out the other just simply doesn’t make sense, what about if a man puts in a woman’s anus?  And if your beef is truly with homosexuality and not just gays, what’s the deal with lesbians, no penetration necessary, is that ok then?

That was my explicit way of saying, does putting a penis in another man’s anus make any sense in any way shape or form.  Obviously the answer is a resounding NO.

All homosexual behavior is narcissistic, immoral, unproductive and unnatural.  But I guess since the world is completely upside down these days, anything goes.

Why don’t we invite in the much beloved family sheep while we’re at it.  Woo hoo!

Disengage.

HC:  I agree strongly with both sides of most every issue.  And here’s why:
That way Piers, everyone can vote WITH me and vote FOR me… 

Secondly,

No one can say I disagree with them.  That’s not my position, that’s just my personal belief…

Why do people who say they are Christians,and believe the bible is the word of God, not follow the word of God in his Holy Bible, which says that life begins at first breath.  God said he formed the man out of the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.  If a child is born and does not breathe, It is said to be born dead.  If you stop breathing, you die.  The breath of life determines whether you are alive or dead.  That’s what the Bible says.     frizzymstarbaby2

     Where in the Bible does it say that “life begins at first breath.” Actually in Jeremiah it talks of life EVEN BEFORE conception… when God says..”I knew you even before you were in your mothers womb.” God knew us before he formed us. 

    While in the womb the child’s HEART is BEATING and alive… not dead… beating… because he receives the much needed OXYGEN for his blood cells by the mothers sending it to him… so he won’t die… without that much needed oxygen he would die OBVIOUSLY. To say he is not alive BECAUSE he gets his oxygen from his mother… makes no sense… right. OBVIOUSLY he is alive… he kicks and moves… even sucks his thumb. Whether he receives the oxygen from his mothers breathing for him by receiving oxygen through the ambilical cord… or breathing on his own outside the womb… he is ALIVE either way… before birth or after birth. Right. 

    It is just a matter of how he receives oxygen… not a matter of living or dead. He in not dead in he womb… thus he is ALIVE in the womb.  Even a 5 year old can understand there is a living baby in mommy’s womb.      By the way… did you know that a baby in the womb has fingures and toes at only 1 month and 21 days in the womb.    The abortion clinics will tell mothers that their baby is only a chunk of flesh… how non-scientific and ignorant is that.  They say this in order to dup the young lady into forking out the cash.   Money, money, money!  Very sad folks.      Abortion IS America’s modern day HOLOCAUST !!!!  Wake up America!!! It is killing a LIVE, LIVING, ACTIVE, MOVING, HEART BEATING, TENDER, DELICATE, PRECIOUS BABY!!!!!  It aint no giraff in there.  It is a precious little HUMAN HEART BEATING BABY!   When in this wicked world did MOTHERS want to start KILLING their OWN BABIES!  Oh AMERICA…. YOU SHOULD BE WEEPING YOUR EYES OUT AND REPENTING FOR THE OVER 50,000,000 BABIES MURDERED ALREADY IN THE USA!!!   IF YOU DON’T WANT THE BABY… DON’T KILL IT!!!… MY GOODNESS… GIVE IT UP FOR ADOPTION… AND LET IT LIIIIVVVVEEEE!